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The military will hand over Sakhalin tanks of the Great Patriotic War

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Russian Defense Ministry transfers to Sakhalin Region 4 tank IS-2 for installation as monuments for the 70th anniversary of the Victory, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the Russian militaryhistorical society (RVIO).

The military will hand over Sakhalin tanks of the Great Patriotic War


The machines will be installed in the Technical Sports Center, located in the city of Aniva (Korsakov District) and in Kurilsk (Iturup Island). The tanks will serve as the basis for the creation of memorial complexes and sites for military-patriotic events. The local branch of RWIO noted that "EC-2 was used on the island territory in 1944-1945 battles as firing points of fortified areas."

The chairman of the Society’s branch, Yuri Maximov, said that “new memorial zones and complexes dedicated to Russian military history are being created in the region on the 70 anniversary of the victory over Germany and the liberation of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands from the Japanese imperial army.”

So far, the EC-2 is registered with the Ministry of Defense and stands on the seashore in the Dolinsky district. The last time this technique was used at the beginning of the 90-x in exercises in the southern Kuril Islands. Later, bolts and optical sights were removed from the guns.

The RVIO report notes that “after the official registration of the transfer, the combat vehicles will be saved as rare samples of historical equipment and will serve as the basis of the military-patriotic infrastructure for conducting educational work with the younger generation.”

The abbreviation of the heavy tank “IS” means “Joseph Stalin”. The tanks were manufactured from 1943 to 1953. According to the newspaper, "EC-2 is the most powerful and heavily armored of the Soviet production tanks of the war, it was considered one of the strongest tanks at that time in the world." After the end of the war, the EC-2 were modernized and were in service with the Soviet and then the Russian army up to the 1995.
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  1. portoc65
    portoc65 9 September 2014 19: 54
    +9
    The Japs will be outraged again ... for them it's trolling
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 9 September 2014 20: 03
      +32
      Tanks will serve as the basis for the creation of memorial complexes and sites for military patriotic events

      The boys will be delighted! In my city, near the WWII memory stella, they put a couple of howitzers ... Very nice, the little boys were circling there (and I myself felt it all in delight. I twisted it ..) This is where the Motherland begins!
      1. portoc65
        portoc65 9 September 2014 20: 09
        +2
        You shells just in case, slowly stock up ....
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      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 9 September 2014 21: 07
        +5
        Quote: MIKHAN
        This is where the Motherland begins!

        That's right!
        But it’s advisable not just to put the tanks on pedestals or near the museum and restore them to running condition so that the young guys can watch and drive or shoot at least by themselves. Yes, and military-historical cinema must not be forgotten. That T-34-76 is already a huge deficit.
        Everything must be removed from the pedestals and restored, and sculptures for the sculptures.
        1. ksv1973
          ksv1973 9 September 2014 21: 37
          +10
          Quote: Alekseev

          Everything must be removed from the pedestals and restored.

          Gold words !!!
          I will only add that the restoration process should be broadcast live on television instead of all sorts of houses-2 or Malakhov's deals. And it would be nice to organize excursions for schoolchildren to those enterprises where iron veterans will be restored. And, it would not be bad, excursions to the place where new technology is born. I think that once seeing and touching "live" a real tank or self-propelled guns, most boys will no longer want to limit themselves to computer analogs - they will simply become uninteresting to them.
          1. DS22
            DS22 10 September 2014 02: 54
            +2
            It is necessary to maximize the equipment of the time of the war to arrange the cities and towns. And you can also organize the restoration of technology under the auspices of military-patriotic clubs with the involvement of local entrepreneurs (who can help with welding, some with paint) and city media. Then this process will become popular. It’s hard to think of a better patriotic upbringing.
      3. Grandson of Veteran
        Grandson of Veteran 9 September 2014 22: 16
        +3
        And in Krasnodar, on Zaton, we have a whole fleet of armored vehicles from WWII. He sat in the eighties in all tanks / self-propelled guns, turned towers. And now the hatches have been brewed so that the children do not scratch! Well not barbarians ?? (((
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 9 September 2014 20: 42
      +8
      Japs are not a problem, but the younger generation should see heroic military images in front of their eyes, and adults at this time should teach them to love their homeland.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 9 September 2014 20: 52
        +2
        By the way!

        This day in history:

        And you know that in addition to International Women's Day, there is another solemn day for the beloved and beautiful women of the whole Earth. This is International Beauty Day.

        And this is understandable, because he appeared not so long ago. But even for this short time it quickly spread throughout the world, and in particular in Europe, and very soon it will be celebrated solemnly and especially, along with other public holidays.

        International Beauty Day - date, number

        9 September - International Beauty Day. On this day, everything beautiful, beautiful, which gives aesthetic and moral pleasure, is especially welcome. . Therefore, in many cities and countries on September 9 beauty contests are held everywhere.

        AND...
        On 9 of September 1913 of the year over the Syretsky airfield of Kiev, military pilot Pyotr Nikolayevich Nesterov was the first in the world to perform a closed curve in the vertical plane, which was later called the "Nesterov loop" or "dead loop". With this maneuver, Nesterov laid the foundation for aerobatics. Nesterov’s loop got its name “dead” due to the fact that the first attempts to perform this figure were made at the dawn of aviation on airplanes that could not withstand the overloads that arose during this and were destroyed, and the pilots usually did not survive. At that time, according to the instructions in flights on airplanes, any rolls, sharp turns and spirals were strictly forbidden. But on 9 of September 1913 of the year, the Nesterov “Newport” soared into the sky. At an altitude of 800-1000 m, the pilot turned off the engine and began to dive. At an altitude of about 600 m, the engine was turned on, and the plane rushed vertically upward, then to the back, described the loop and went to the peak. The motor turned off again, the plane straightened and landed smoothly.

        I'll drink for that! drinks
        1. enot73
          enot73 9 September 2014 21: 04
          +26
          Note to the author. Since we are talking about IS - 2, then you do not need to place pictures with IS - 3 in the header, these are different machines. In the photo IP -2 late release.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 9 September 2014 21: 14
            +10
            That's for sure, the online game VoT taught me how to understand armored vehicles !!!
            1. Bear in the north
              Bear in the north 9 September 2014 21: 42
              +2
              Thank. Smiled.
          2. enot73
            enot73 9 September 2014 21: 46
            +4
            But the early Is - 2 (or IS - 122) externally differs from the late stepwise form of the frontal armor of the hull.
          3. mamont5
            mamont5 10 September 2014 05: 30
            0
            Quote: enot73
            Tanks were produced from 1943 to 1953.


            But they were released on 53 year? After all, already in the 45 th appeared more advanced IS-3?
            1. Denis
              Denis 10 September 2014 06: 12
              +2
              Quote: mamont5
              After all, already in the 45 th appeared more advanced IS-3?

              They appeared, but did not take part in the hostilities. In September 1945. participated in a joint parade in Germany, great saddened allies
              1. mamont5
                mamont5 10 September 2014 06: 33
                0
                Quote: Denis
                Quote: mamont5
                After all, already in the 45 th appeared more advanced IS-3?

                They appeared, but did not take part in the hostilities. In September 1945. participated in a joint parade in Germany, great saddened allies


                Yes, this is all true, but I wonder why the release of IS-2 continued, and did not focus only on IS-3.
                1. Denis
                  Denis 10 September 2014 06: 46
                  0
                  Quote: mamont5
                  why continued the release of IS-2, and did not focus only on IS-3.
                  There wasn’t enough time already. Yes, and rebuilding the pr-in is all one reduction in the number of produced ones. And the war was on
                  It was launched into the series already in 1945, less than 1000 units were released this year.
                  With external similarity with the IS-2, still different machines
            2. enot73
              enot73 10 September 2014 06: 36
              +3
              Quote: mamont5
              Yes, this is all true, but I wonder why the release of IS-2 continued, and did not focus only on IS-3.
              But they were released on 53 year? After all, already in the 45 th appeared more advanced IS-3?
              Apparently the author only looked through Wikipedia. However, other information can also be found about the fate of IS - 2. Here is what the recognized Russian experts in BTT write in their book M. Baryatinsky, M. Kolomiets, A. Koshavtsev (Soviet heavy post-war tanks. Armored collection number 3 (6) 1996) "At the final stage of the Great Patriotic War, the main Soviet heavy tank was the IS-2 , created in 1943 by the designers of the Chelyabinsk Kirov Plant (ChKZ). In the same year, the new combat vehicle was launched into mass production. Until its termination in mid-1945, 3483 IS-2 were manufactured, and 60 of them were assembled in Leningrad, at The restored Kirov plant. This vehicle remained in service with the Soviet Army until the early 60s. The IS-3 planned to replace it had significant design flaws that made it difficult to operate the tank in the army. The IS-4 heavy tank also turned out to be difficult to operate and maintain. at the same time, the IS-2 was quite suitable for the army as a technically reliable and simple combat vehicle.Therefore, in 1954, a major modernization of the IS-2 was carried out in order to prolong The aft turret machine gun was withdrawn, the gun ammunition was increased to 35 rounds, and a lifting mechanism of the gun with a delivery link was introduced. The glass block (triplex) of the driver was replaced with a prismatic periscope, and in addition, a TVN-2 or BVN night vision device was installed. The V-2-10 engine was replaced with the V-54K-IS. "Other changes were made. However, the modernization can not be considered a continuation of production. The external difference from the IS - 2 is the case expanded in the middle, due to welded-on packing boxes. At the present time, most of the IS - 2M is preserved."
          4. Denis
            Denis 10 September 2014 06: 17
            +2
            Quote: enot73
            Note to the author

            Yes, just 2 on history
            There you can see the pike nose-business card IS-3
    3. DMB-88
      DMB-88 9 September 2014 23: 16
      +15
      I will tell you about the blatant fact:
      On the banks of the Amur, amidst the fields
      Caught our simple Soviet tractor
      In the sight of six Chinese batteries.

      Hit a volley, shells flew,
      But the tractor driver was a guy with a head:
      He presses the pedal - and now the goal is not visible
      In the smoke curtain delivered.

      And the tractor soared over the pretty side
      And at the same moment the aggressor responded,
      To protect us frighten by war
      Hit a volley of tactical missiles.

      And our tractor driver, captain Litvinov,
      I looked at the map and turned on the afterburner,
      Calmly bombed over Beijing
      And laid home turn.

      He turned off the reactor over Cupid,
      So as not to frighten native sheep and goats.
      Our Soviet tractor rushed in the sky
      To refuel in your own collective farm.

      And, if the enemy takes action again,
      To prevent us from harvesting,
      Order of the USSR Agroprom
      A harvester will fly to our field.
      © Igor Baykov
      1. ksv1973
        ksv1973 10 September 2014 15: 36
        +3
        Dear Tulyev! Sorry, I don't know your name and patronymic. It seems to me that the poem by Igor Baikov, which you have laid out, fits perfectly with the tune of the song "Armor is strong and our tanks are fast ..." Thank you for the positive! hi
    4. Russian1974
      Russian1974 10 September 2014 00: 37
      +2
      It is also necessary that there is a big Stalin so that it can be seen from Japan and that his hand is pointing to Japan! soldier
    5. Combitor
      Combitor 10 September 2014 00: 55
      +2
      Quote: portoc65
      The Japs will be outraged again

      And we on their "indignation" from the Sakhalin TV tower ...
      We already have something in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk:
    6. Sergei1982
      Sergei1982 10 September 2014 05: 18
      +1
      Yeah, Psaki will say that Russia strengthens the grouping with heavy equipment.
  2. Dimsanych
    Dimsanych 9 September 2014 19: 54
    +9
    And let them look in the direction of Japan, winking at the samurai and recalling who Uncle Joseph was. And if necessary, God forbid, they will also serve the homeland.
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 9 September 2014 23: 00
      +4
      In Transbaikalia, until the middle of the collapse of the Union, these tanks stood in the URs (NTOT-fixed tank firing point) We had shells from them in the unit until 2000 in the warehouse, while the brass shells for color were not delivered to China)
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 September 2014 19: 55
    +8
    Let them stand. Reliable armor. How, however, in New Russia, a tank went into battle from a pedestal! What is his fate, I wonder?
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 9 September 2014 19: 58
      +3
      He seemed to take part once ... suppressed the dill post ... dill occupied the territory and again set where he stood ...
      1. enot73
        enot73 9 September 2014 21: 12
        +1
        Quote: portoc65
        He seemed to take part once ... suppressed the dill post ... dill occupied the territory and again set where he stood ...

        He did not seem to be standing there long. Now dill is going to use equipment from monuments and memorials. smile
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 9 September 2014 21: 18
          +2
          Quote: enot73
          . Now dill is going to use equipment from monuments and memorials. smile

          NDA! How everything has changed! But before, the militias removed and started the monuments! winked
  4. psychologist
    psychologist 9 September 2014 19: 55
    +6
    in Kiev it would be necessary to transfer a couple to refresh memory !! Well, in Brussels, throw a couple for Christmas !!!
  5. zzz
    zzz 9 September 2014 19: 55
    +15
    Not in the subject, but urgently. ANTIMAYDAN AND US 779 - GOD WITH US! - YURA BUTENKO
    778 497 participants, 16 friends
    19:44
    Khartsyzsk. ASKED FOR URGENT DISTRIBUTION! Tanya Korneeva here is
    sent: Who can pass the militias. An hour ago in the village under.
    Amvrosievka entered the whole army, pieces of 100 pieces of equipment and people
    500-800 military, became behind the village of Elizavet-Nikolaevka, hiding behind
    knolls. They will hit the rear at the Grace, Stepan-Krynka and possibly
    Ilovaisk, they are not expected from here. If there is an opportunity to transfer
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 9 September 2014 20: 10
      +5
      So this Old militia must be transferred. I do not think they have time to read.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 9 September 2014 21: 18
        +2
        Who has access to Antimaydan. Gradjan war in Ukraine. pass Lerss (aka Oleg), he is now streaming.
    2. Siberian
      Siberian 9 September 2014 20: 39
      +4
      Elizaveta Nikolaevka, it’s about 20 km from our border, the road goes there, and it’s like in the rear of New Russia (according to the map). How could that amount of equipment slip unnoticed? Something is suspicious here.
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  6. special
    special 9 September 2014 19: 57
    +2
    A good reminder to cross-eyed! Let them remember and shake! Yes, and it is advisable that they be in a preserved state on the pedestal, you never know ... laughing
  7. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 9 September 2014 19: 58
    -45
    Generally speaking, the correct term is still not "liberation" of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, but capture. Still, they liberate their own, and seize someone else's, but legally and in fact, those territories were Japanese.
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 9 September 2014 20: 01
      +3
      This is called not capture and release ....
    2. portoc65
      portoc65 9 September 2014 20: 03
      +3
      Are you a Japanese spy?
    3. Colonel
      Colonel 9 September 2014 20: 03
      +9
      Quote: Kibalchish
      not the "liberation" of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, but the capture.

      Oppanki, and this is great. Nuka, comment in more detail about "alien"
      1. portoc65
        portoc65 9 September 2014 20: 11
        +8
        Kybalchish got caught .. we’ll torture.
    4. Shesternyack
      Shesternyack 9 September 2014 20: 08
      +14
      Generally speaking, the correct term is still not "liberation" of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, but capture. Still, they free their own, but capture someone else's


      With all due respect, I cannot agree with you: Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands switched to Japan as a result of the 1905 war of the year, until that time they belonged to Russia by right of first discovery. The liberation of the Kuril Islands IV Stalin described as an event that people of his generation have been waiting for 40 years. hi
      1. avt
        avt 9 September 2014 21: 02
        +2
        Quote: Shesternyack
        With all due respect, I cannot agree with you: Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands switched to Japan as a result of the 1905 war of the year, until that time they belonged to Russia by right of first discovery. The liberation of the Kuril Islands IV Stalin described as an event that people of his generation have been waiting for 40 years.

        Absolutely true! "Capture", or rather the occupation of the territory in accordance with the outcome of the war after the UNCONSCIOUS surrender, would be the annexation of Hokkaido, in accordance with the agreements with the allies on the division of zones of influence. By the way, if memory serves Vsevolod Ovchinnikov, who worked in Japan , said that from the Japanese Kunashir - a foreign land and in general in San Francisco the Japanese officially signed a paper on the refusal of claims to the Kuril ridge, but what we did not sign - so from this, according to international jurisprudence, we are neither hot nor cold. they renounced their sovereignty, and without snotty we ourselves will figure out what to do with the islands.
        1. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 9 September 2014 21: 07
          -13
          Do not smack nonsense. The Kuril Islands were Japanese before the Russo-Japanese and went to them WITHOUT war. You at least study the proofs before you climb the forums.
    5. DV69
      DV69 9 September 2014 20: 47
      +6
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Generally speaking, the correct term is still not "liberation" of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, but capture. Still, they liberate their own, and seize someone else's, but legally and in fact, those territories were Japanese.


      You are not quite right. According to the Shimod Treaty of 1805, the Kuril Islands belonged to Russia, the island of Sakhalin was in joint use by the Russian and Japanese empires. According to the St. Petersburg treaty concluded in 1875, the Kuril Islands were transferred to Japan, while Sakhalin remained with Russia. Japan in 1905, after winning the Russian-Japanese war, Japan received the island of Sakhalin. So all the same, liberation. And the Kuril city is just a bonus.
      And let them not climb.
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 20: 55
        -12
        I mean that at 1945 year, according to all international documents, these territories were Japanese.
        1. DV69
          DV69 9 September 2014 21: 09
          +5
          Quote: Kibalchish
          I mean that at 1945 year, according to all international documents, these territories were Japanese.


          Well, before that, the Russians. The territory was occupied in 1905, in 1945 liberated. And note, everything is within the framework of world laws.
          1. Kibalchish
            Kibalchish 9 September 2014 21: 10
            -1
            A reference to the laws is possible?
            1. DV69
              DV69 9 September 2014 21: 14
              +2
              Quote: Kibalchish
              A reference to the laws is possible?


              And with you too. In general, by the right of the winner, he gets everything.
              1. Kibalchish
                Kibalchish 9 September 2014 21: 17
                +1
                Mine: Simodsky Treatise, St. Petersburg Treaty, Portsmouth Treaty. According to these documents, these territories are recognized as Japanese. Your turn.
                1. DV69
                  DV69 9 September 2014 21: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: Kibalchish
                  Mine: Simodsky Treatise, St. Petersburg Treaty, Portsmouth Treaty. According to these documents, these territories are recognized as Japanese. Your turn.


                  Under the St. Petersburg Treaty, Sakhalin passed to Russia in exchange for the islands of the Kuril ridge. Under the Prosmud agreement signed after our defeat in the war, Japan occupied it.
                  Mind.
                  1. Kibalchish
                    Kibalchish 9 September 2014 21: 30
                    -6
                    Easy. Under what international treaty do the Kuril Islands and South Sakhalin become the territory of the USSR (Russia)?
                    1. DV69
                      DV69 9 September 2014 21: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: Kibalchish
                      Easy. Under what international treaty do the Kuril Islands and South Sakhalin become the territory of the USSR (Russia)?


                      Well, laugh, under the contract wassat You still remember about the peace treaty with Japan, we still have not signed it.
                      Now seriously. We occupied the Kuril Islands. South Sakhalin freed.
                      1. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 21: 47
                        -6
                        Let's not verbiage, but only on legal issues. On August 8 1945, South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands were the undisputed territory of Japan, which is confirmed by all the maps.
                        The USSR occupied foreign territories, and then more interesting ... there is no agreement on recognizing them as Soviet. That is, they remain Japanese, or at least with a controversial status.
                        For this, a peace treaty with Japan is needed.
                      2. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 21: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        Let's not verbiage, but only on legal issues. On August 8 1945, South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands were the undisputed territory of Japan, which is confirmed by all the maps.
                        The USSR occupied foreign territories, and then more interesting ... there is no agreement on recognizing them as Soviet. That is, they remain Japanese, or at least with a controversial status.
                        For this, a peace treaty with Japan is needed.


                        I don’t argue in the Kuril ridge, but in my opinion, even the Japanese are not indignant in Sakhalin.
                      3. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 21: 55
                        0
                        According to Sakhalin, yes.
                      4. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 21: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        According to Sakhalin, yes.


                        So what are you arguing with me, even if Japan has no complaints.
                      5. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 23: 09
                        0
                        Actually, there’s a dual position. It would take a long time to explain this.
                      6. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 23: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        Actually, there’s a dual position. It would take a long time to explain this.


                        I have the deepest conviction that in such matters there can be no dual positions. Here either or.
                        And culture, do you know our Russian culture well?
                      7. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 23: 39
                        0
                        Explain the dual position for too long. This is a separate issue.

                        I know Russian culture quite well. But no more than that.
                      8. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 23: 53
                        +3
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        I know Russian culture quite well. But no more than that.


                        Culture is not enough to know, it must be understood, felt through it. Then there will be no duality of judgments, and in life everything will be fine.
                      9. Aleks28
                        Aleks28 9 September 2014 21: 53
                        +1
                        In 1905, the South Kuril Islands were captured by the Japanese. So, what does the Japs have any offense to do with it? And what does the contract have to do with it? And who should you include in the contractor? will stay.
                      10. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 22: 00
                        0
                        The peace treaty brings a point under the war. Without it, not ice.
                      11. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 22: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        The peace treaty brings a point under the war. Without it, not ice.


                        So Japan refused Khrushchev’s offer to transfer Kunashir to her. And he would have been a peace treaty.
                        Now let them not twitch.
                      12. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 22: 15
                        -6
                        Kunashir Khrushchev did not offer. Only Shikotan and Hobomai are small islands. Naturally, the Japanese refused. They will take their own.
                      13. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 22: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        Kunashir Khrushchev did not offer. Only Shikotan and Hobomai are small islands. Naturally, the Japanese refused. They will take their own.


                        I ask for a mistake. But Japan is not in a position to dictate terms, and I hope it will no longer be in that position.
                        They were offered they refused.
                      14. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 22: 25
                        -9
                        Japan is now in that position. For the Russian Federation from all sides imposed sanctions and the economy has been falling for the third year in a row.
                      15. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 22: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        Japan is now in that position. For the Russian Federation from all sides imposed sanctions and the economy has been falling for the third year in a row.


                        Well, not what, I hope the sanctions will help us, or rather make the economy grow.
                      16. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 22: 41
                        -5
                        What prevented raising it earlier, when there were "petrodollars" and there were no sanctions?
                      17. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 22: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        What prevented raising it earlier, when there were "petrodollars" and there were no sanctions?


                        And who is arguing? But only after the 90s, the devastation is worse than 45.
                        And we still have "petrodollars". The budget was made up based on the price of 80 Baku per barrel. So there should be enough money.
                        The problem is different, in addition to the collapse in the economy, we are far behind in technology, but hardly anyone will help us with this.
                      18. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 23: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        What prevented raising it earlier, when there were "petrodollars" and there were no sanctions?


                        I believe that everything should be done gradually, from the beginning the army and navy, then everything else. Otherwise, everything else we may not have.
                      19. Vitaly Anisimov
                        Vitaly Anisimov 9 September 2014 22: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        Japan is now in that position. For the Russian Federation from all sides imposed sanctions and the economy has been falling for the third year in a row.

                        Does it please you, as I understand it? bully This is not the first time you have shouted about this. (now they have already come from Japan) .. well, well ..
                      20. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 22: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: MIKHAN
                        [
                        Does it please you, as I understand it? bully This is not the first time you have shouted about this. (now they have already come from Japan) .. well, well ..


                        I have no feeling that it pleases him. A person writes what he thinks.
                      21. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 22: 57
                        -6
                        Let's just say that I never hid my pro-Japanese positions (for personal reasons) and I am happy as my own for the success of this country because for my personal growth, Japanese culture has given me much more than Russian. Even on the avatar, I have a symbol of the Coast Guard of Japan, and not NATO at all, as some thought.
                        Despite the fact that in all other matters I’m quite a patriot of Russia.
                      22. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 23: 07
                        +1
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        Let's just say that I never hid my pro-Japanese positions (for personal reasons) and I am happy as my own for the success of this country because for my personal growth, Japanese culture has given me much more than Russian. Even on the avatar, I have a symbol of the Coast Guard of Japan, and not NATO at all, as some thought.
                        Despite the fact that in all other matters I’m quite a patriot of Russia.


                        That is, in cases of resumption of the B / D, you will support Japan?
                      23. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 23: 29
                        0
                        At least I will do everything so as not to participate on the side of Russia.
                        Understand what it is, I was born in the 1980 and grew up in the 90 ... and let's just say that the fate of me and my family was very difficult, even by the standards of that harsh time. Very not easy.
                        My mind in those terrible years was helped by my acquaintance with Japanese culture, which showed me that there is a different life and a different path, different from the total nightmare outside the window. Since then, I consider myself indebted to Japan and its inhabitants for their unwitting help to a little abandoned man. Therefore, I will not unequivocally answer your question, however, what the answer will be, I’m sure you guessed it.

                        I will add that in case of war with any other enemy, I will definitely defend Russia. And at this particular moment I’m considering the possibility of volunteering for the Donbass (I was born there).
                      24. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 23: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: Kibalchish [/ quote


                        How complicated it is for you. Search for ways out of difficult life situations in a foreign culture. Moreover, to voluntarily make oneself obligated to anyone.
                        It's hard for me to understand.
                      25. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 10 September 2014 00: 00
                        0
                        Yes, it’s not easy.
                      26. iwakura
                        iwakura 10 September 2014 09: 39
                        +2
                        Don't confuse Japanese culture with modern Japan. Today's Japan is a Western-type state, which is in a knee-elbow position in relation to the SGA. Samurai ended there in the first half of the last century, having run into Russian bayonets. And the worshipers of the Sun Goddess, who are brave before self-sacrifice, are also there. Of course, they can be respected for their rare industriousness and for their ability to live on relatively small islands with the same population as in Russia, for their high technological level of development, but this means that this is just the enemy that must be taken seriously, and cultural knowledge is additional "features on the face of the enemy."
                        PS: I hope that Japan, if not the enemy, then the enemy, will not argue
                      27. Gomunkul
                        Gomunkul 10 September 2014 12: 41
                        +1
                        Despite the fact that in all other matters I’m quite a patriot of Russia.
                        Dear you are confused in your own words, you cannot be a patriot of two states, you are either with Japan or Russia, you have already decided, otherwise it can happen as in that old popular saying: You’ll chase two hares, you won’t catch one. wink
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                      29. ydjin
                        ydjin 10 September 2014 06: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        Japan is now in that position. For the Russian Federation from all sides imposed sanctions and the economy has been falling for the third year in a row.

                        I live on Sakhalin and despite the sanctions I don’t see Japan’s desire to abandon our liquefied gas! Moreover, they still want us to extend the gas pipeline to Hokkaido! After Fukushima and subsequent plans to curtail nuclear power, let’s see who the sanctions for the sick will hit!
                      30. ksv1973
                        ksv1973 10 September 2014 16: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        Kunashir Khrushchev did not offer. Only Shikotan and Hobomai are small islands. Naturally, the Japanese refused. They will take their own.

                        Of course they will take ... And on the tonsils, not bending over, because undersized.
                        And you, Plohish-san, remember "detachment 731", and then think about what Japan has the right to do and what it doesn't.
                        Let them thank God that there is not a single "Little Potato" or "Pyaterochka" in Hokkaido, not a single "Magnet" or "Crossroads".
                      31. Gradus HuK
                        Gradus HuK 9 September 2014 22: 52
                        +1
                        Yapi would better remember who 2 of their big cities, along with civilians, were wiped out.
                      32. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 22: 54
                        0
                        Quote: GradusHuK
                        Yapi would better remember who 2 of their big cities, along with civilians, were wiped out.


                        You are what?
                      33. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 23: 06
                        -5
                        And at the same time, who killed 20 000 Japanese civilians (mainly women and children) in South Sakhalin alone. Let's honestly admit that we are no better than Americans.
                      34. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 23: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        And at the same time, who killed 20 000 Japanese civilians (mainly women and children) in South Sakhalin alone. Let's honestly admit that we are no better than Americans.


                        And under what circumstances did these peaceful Japanese citizens die? Something I did not hear about such a fact.
                        And let's remember Nanjing. There, the Japanese simply cut 500 civilians so that they would not spend ammunition. They cut it out not during the storming of the city, but after its capture.
                      35. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 23: 36
                        -8
                        I don’t give a damn about the Chinese. They will not disappear from them, especially since they themselves are lovers of organizing genocide (see. Dzungarian Khanate)

                        And the Japanese population was dying under the Soviet bombing of residential areas and the sinking of ships with refugees and the shooting of columns from them from the air. Unfortunately, this is a fact.
                      36. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 23: 51
                        +4
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        I don’t give a damn about the Chinese. They will not disappear from them, especially since they themselves are lovers of organizing genocide (see. Dzungarian Khanate)

                        And the Japanese population was dying under the Soviet bombing of residential areas and the sinking of ships with refugees and the shooting of columns from them from the air. Unfortunately, this is a fact.


                        Well. Sailed. Accuse the warring army of inadvertently destroying the civilians of the enemy country, and likewise support this country (Japan) in the destruction of unarmed, nonresisting people. Well, porridge in your head.
                      37. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 10 September 2014 00: 07
                        -6
                        No, there is no porridge. The destruction of the Japanese was completely deliberate on the part of the Soviet troops. There was no direct order, but many showed "initiative".
                        Japan’s war with China was on a completely different plane. The Chinese themselves slaughtered entire countries and peoples (conquering), and by devastating the Japanese sought to dismember China in order to forever avert the threat from their islands. Well, rob along the way.
                      38. ydjin
                        ydjin 10 September 2014 07: 21
                        +4
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        And at the same time, who killed 20 000 Japanese civilians (mainly women and children) in South Sakhalin alone. Let's honestly admit that we are no better than Americans.

                        You Bad Kibalchish openly lying! There was no this fact! Perhaps someone suffered, there was a war and military operations were going on. But there was no targeted genocide! But your beloved Yapis have distinguished themselves by the massacre of the Korean population on Sakhalin, whom they brought to the island as slaves! You Kibalchish are insignificant in your verbiage!
                      39. Gomunkul
                        Gomunkul 10 September 2014 12: 51
                        +1
                        In early February 1945, it became apparent to the Japanese command that Manila could not be held back. The army headquarters was moved north of the capital to the city of Baguio, and the Japanese army began the methodical destruction of Manila and the destruction of its civilian population. If there were Europeans, then they were destroyed according to the slogan "Asia for Asians."

                        In Manila, several tens of thousands of civilians were killed: thousands of people were shot from machine guns, and some were burned alive with gasoline in order to save ammunition. The Japanese destroyed churches and schools, hospitals and residential buildings. On February 10, 1945, soldiers who burst into the building of the Red Cross Hospital staged a massacre there, sparing no doctors, nurses, patients, or even children. The Spanish consulate suffered the same fate: about fifty people were burned alive in the diplomatic mission building and stabbed with bayonets in the garden.



                        Massacre and destruction occurred in the vicinity of Manila, for example, the Japanese completely destroyed the five thousandth population of the town of Kalamba, and they burned the city. Monasteries and Catholic schools massively destroyed monks and nuns, schoolchildren and teachers.

                        The atrocities, as reported by the survivors, were countless. Women cut off their breasts with sabers, pierced their genitals with bayonets, cut out premature babies. Men, trying to save their property from burning houses, were burned in the fire - they were driven back to burning buildings. Few escaped death.

                        According to the most careful estimates, the number of civilians killed during the massacre in Manila is more than 111 000 people.
                        Source: http://www.rumbur.ru/history/494-drugaya-yaponiya
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                      41. boris-1230
                        boris-1230 9 September 2014 23: 57
                        +1
                        What the cards prove is "strength"! In China, since the 70s, according to the maps of Siberia to the Urals, Chinese territory!
                        And we on it - occupiers. So the cards are cards, and you Kibalchish - Bad! angry
                      42. DV69
                        DV69 10 September 2014 00: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: boris-1230
                        What the cards prove is "strength"! In China, since the 70s, according to the maps of Siberia to the Urals, Chinese territory!
                        And we on it - occupiers. So the cards are cards, and you Kibalchish - Bad! angry


                        On TV there was infa that China introduced criminal liability for territorial claims against the Russian Federation.
                      43. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 10 September 2014 00: 10
                        -3
                        Are the cards official? We also draw many stubborn Russia with Alaska.
        2. izGOI
          izGOI 9 September 2014 22: 03
          +1
          Quote: Kibalchish
          on 1945 year, according to all international documents, these territories were Japanese.

          And if you look at the creation of the world?
          1. DV69
            DV69 9 September 2014 22: 07
            +3
            Quote: izGOI
            And if you look at the creation of the world?


            Japan and I did not have a creation. And in general, we won the war and not they, and by the right of the winner we have the right (sorry for the tautology) to dictate our conditions. Keyword dictate.
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        1. DV69
          DV69 9 September 2014 21: 13
          +3
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Russia also seized a lot of things from someone. For example, Turkey. They, too, can now declare about "liberation".
          In general, about the legal status. Moreover, only South Sakhalin was captured by the Japanese by force.
          So this is a cheap propaganda cliche, which is worth a penny. The terms must be used correctly. We freed our own - at the beginning of the conflict, we seize someone else's - at the same moment.


          My dear, stop verbiage. Sakhalin until 1905 belonged to Russia, then it was occupied. OCCUPIED, understand?
    7. Dmitry Toderes
      Dmitry Toderes 9 September 2014 21: 11
      +1
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Generally speaking, the correct term is still not "liberation" of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, but capture. Still, they liberate their own, and seize someone else's, but legally and in fact, those territories were Japanese.


      Not a grab. Exemption.
      "Where the Russian flag is raised, it must never be descended."
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 21: 15
        -1
        Is there still a Russian flag over Berlin? Or over northern Iran? Or over Manchuria?
        Or over the Bialystok ledge?
        The flag is just a symbol that at the right time is raised and removed depending on political expediency.
        1. DV69
          DV69 9 September 2014 21: 19
          +2
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Is there still a Russian flag over Berlin? Or over northern Iran? Or over Manchuria?
          Or over the Bialystok ledge?
          The flag is just a symbol that at the right time is raised and removed depending on political expediency.


          To Berlin, Northern Iran, etc. occupation troops were introduced, which were subsequently withdrawn. Neither Berlin, nor Manchuria, nor, for your information, Paris has never been Russian territory. But Sakhalin was.
          1. Kibalchish
            Kibalchish 9 September 2014 21: 27
            -10
            In Berlin, Russian troops at that time were already the second time))) So it was. Similarly with northern Iran. But that is not the point.
            Simply enraged stamps "Where the Russian flag is raised, it should never go down." They lowered them. Many times they were lowered and given away in different places and territories without any war - the same Bialystok ledge. And a whole bunch of others too.
            I will say more. It will be necessary, this very flag will be lowered over Moscow.
            1. DV69
              DV69 9 September 2014 21: 33
              +4
              Quote: Kibalchish
              In Berlin, Russian troops at that time were already the second time))) So it was. Similarly with northern Iran. But that is not the point.
              Simply enraged stamps "Where the Russian flag is raised, it should never go down." They lowered them. Many times they were lowered and given away in different places and territories without any war - the same Bialystok ledge. And a whole bunch of others too.
              I will say more. It will be necessary, this very flag will be lowered over Moscow.


              Well, tell me not literate, when was Berlin a Russian city?
              And over Moscow the flag was already lowered a couple of times. True, not for long. And it ended for those who ventured into it deplorably. Look at the foreshadows of Paris still milestones remained for memory. As a keepsake
              So don’t expect it.
              1. Kibalchish
                Kibalchish 9 September 2014 21: 38
                -5
                He was not Russian, but he almost became in the Seven Years War. But are we talking about the flag? Was there a flag? It was. Lowered? Lowered. Thanks to all.
                1. DV69
                  DV69 9 September 2014 21: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: Kibalchish
                  He was not Russian, but he almost became in the Seven Years War. But are we talking about the flag? Was there a flag? It was. Lowered? Lowered. Thanks to all.


                  What kind of words are you clinging to? The meaning of the quote about such a land of its tip will not give up. Well, with a stranger how it goes.
                  1. Kibalchish
                    Kibalchish 9 September 2014 21: 53
                    -1
                    We actually talk about words, right?

                    But if in fact I can immediately name a dozen territories that we gave away after 1945 year !!!
                    1. DV69
                      DV69 9 September 2014 22: 01
                      +1
                      [quote = Kibalchish [/ quote]

                      And if, in fact, I can immediately name a dozen territories that we gave away after 1945 !!! [/ quote]

                      Get started.
                      1. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 22: 21
                        -1
                        Bialystok ledge, Base in Porkkale (Khrushchev), Port Arthur (Khrushchev), Damansky (Yeltsin), islands on the Amur (Putin), shelf in the Barents Sea (Medvedev), a piece of southern Dagestan (Medvedev), Tuzla Island (Putin, 2012 year - the truth then returned))) This is just what I remembered right away.
                      2. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 22: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        Bialystok ledge, Base in Porkkale (Khrushchev), Port Arthur (Khrushchev), Damansky (Yeltsin), islands on the Amur (Putin), shelf in the Barents Sea (Medvedev), a piece of southern Dagestan (Medvedev), Tuzla Island (Putin, 2012 year - the truth then returned))) This is just what I remembered right away.


                        Explore Port Arthur?
                        And as for the Daman and other islands on the Amur, there, even under the Union, the border was drawn in the center of the Amur and either the river changed the channel, or the Chinese poured banks on their side, in general, these territories are now on their side.
                        Regarding the Tuzla spit, I emphasize that this is not an island, but a spit, which the Azov currents wash over and erode. Well now, this issue has been resolved positively and finally wink
                        And we even DAM. Soon, his name, in my opinion, will become a synonym for the complete mismatch of his position. Let’s not talk about him, but rather like a sickle in the genitals.
                        By the way, but what about a piece of Dagestan? I have not heard.
                      3. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 22: 49
                        -2
                        After 1945, Port Arthur went on a long lease to the USSR. Khrushchev gave him a broad gesture.
                        According to Amur, the story is long. But the fact is that the Chinese squeezed their own.
                        Tuzla - there is a scythe, but there is an island with the same name. Google the history of the issue.
                        In Dagestan - they gave the whole village of Azermoths together with the population am
                      4. DV69
                        DV69 9 September 2014 22: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: Kibalchish
                        After 1945, Port Arthur went on a long lease to the USSR. Khrushchev gave him a broad gesture.
                        According to Amur, the story is long. But the fact is that the Chinese squeezed their own.
                        Tuzla - there is a scythe, but there is an island with the same name. Google the history of the issue.
                        In Dagestan - they gave the whole village of Azermoths together with the population am


                        Which village? In which area?
                      5. Kibalchish
                        Kibalchish 9 September 2014 23: 02
                        0
                        Read

                        http://wek.ru/ot-rossii-matushki-ne-ubudet
    8. svp67
      svp67 9 September 2014 21: 17
      +2
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Still, they liberate their own, and seize someone else's, and legally and in fact those territories were Japanese.
      Well, let's say the Japanese "squeezed" Sakhalin from us in 1905, so there is no need to talk about a seizure, they returned what was lost. With the Kurils, there, yes, the issue is really very controversial, especially with the southern ones, since the northern ones also had time to visit the Republic of Ingushetia earlier ...
      1. DV69
        DV69 9 September 2014 21: 24
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Kibalchish
        Still, they liberate their own, and seize someone else's, and legally and in fact those territories were Japanese.
        Well, let's say the Japanese "squeezed" Sakhalin from us in 1905, so there is no need to talk about a seizure, they returned what was lost. With the Kurils, there, yes, the issue is really very controversial, especially with the southern ones, since the northern ones also had time to visit the Republic of Ingushetia earlier ...


        We do not have any complicated "Kuril issue" with Japan. Just as there is no peace treaty with Japan.
      2. korjik
        korjik 9 September 2014 21: 38
        +8
        Some kind of wrong Kibalchish. Having eaten cookies with jam, why do you bring a shadow of a traitor to the hero? Bad name to you!
        1. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 9 September 2014 21: 58
          0
          Oh yes, they bribed the bourgeois Kibalchish with foreign jam. And he began to black bombs for the bourgeois, to collect yellow cartridges)))

          But seriously, I am only for the accuracy of the terms and all.)
          1. DV69
            DV69 9 September 2014 22: 09
            +1
            Quote: Kibalchish
            Oh yes, they bribed the bourgeois Kibalchish with foreign jam. And he began to black bombs for the bourgeois, to collect yellow cartridges)))

            But seriously, I am only for the accuracy of the terms and all.)


            And I liked the dialogue with you. Workout for the mind. Thank.
            1. Kibalchish
              Kibalchish 9 September 2014 22: 22
              0
              Glad to. Well, at least they did not write to the liberals!)))
              1. DV69
                DV69 9 September 2014 22: 37
                0
                Quote: Kibalchish
                Glad to. Well, at least they did not write to the liberals!)))


                I do not want to offend unreasonably hi
    9. izGOI
      izGOI 9 September 2014 21: 59
      0
      And before 1906, the Russians, the Kuril Islands and half of Sakhalin, crossed Japan over the Portsmouth world.
    10. Alf
      Alf 9 September 2014 22: 38
      +1
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Generally speaking, the correct term is still not "liberation" of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, but capture. Still, they liberate their own, and seize someone else's, but legally and in fact, those territories were Japanese.

      Remember who discovered those islands and to whom they belonged before the REV.
    11. Gradus HuK
      Gradus HuK 9 September 2014 22: 46
      +2
      You are not Kibalchish but bad.
    12. Combitor
      Combitor 10 September 2014 00: 42
      +1
      Quote: Kibalchish
      legally and in fact, those territories were Japanese.

      Have you studied the history of our country on American and Japanese comics?
      Change "Nick". Not worthy. "Bad" will be just right.
    13. Good cat
      Good cat 10 September 2014 08: 36
      0
      Until 1905 our territory was!
  8. mig31
    mig31 9 September 2014 20: 00
    +6
    Memory must be protected so as not to lose the future ...
  9. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 9 September 2014 20: 03
    +9
    "The IS-2s were modernized and were in service with the Soviet and then the Russian army until 1995."
    How do you find the opportunities and potential that were laid before? No wonder Isa was recognized as the most aesthetic tank of the 20th century ... Without significant modifications and up to 95 g.?! There is something to be proud of !!!
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 9 September 2014 20: 05
      +4
      Until now, under Blagoveshchensk there are buried in the ground.
      1. Akvadra
        Akvadra 9 September 2014 20: 19
        +4
        Quote: portoc65
        Until now, under Blagoveshchensk there are buried in the ground.

        Yes exactly . The legendary Karbyshev URs designed and built. Impressive so far. It’s a pity everyone poheril!
  10. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 9 September 2014 20: 03
    +9
    I see this legendary car every day. Monument at the Kirov factory in St. Petersburg. Power and greatness. So many years have passed, and to this day is a matter of respect.
  11. Akvadra
    Akvadra 9 September 2014 20: 05
    +6
    Sights and bolts to return to the place! And let them stand ready for battle. Times are unpredictable. Suddenly need. There is experience.
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 9 September 2014 20: 12
      0
      And the ammunition in place. And the gunner to rivet.
    2. Tyumen
      Tyumen 9 September 2014 20: 14
      +2
      And the ammunition is in place. And the gunner is riveted.)
      1. portoc65
        portoc65 9 September 2014 20: 18
        0
        Yes to every yard instead of a tank writer
  12. wolves
    wolves 9 September 2014 20: 10
    +1
    Real fear for the Japanese :)
  13. samoletil18
    samoletil18 9 September 2014 20: 13
    +3
    There is such a last Soviet T-10 heavy tank. And at first it was called IS-8. Here is Khrushchev with ..., b ...! Not only did he cut everything, but he also cheated.
  14. portoc65
    portoc65 9 September 2014 20: 13
    0
    Quote: Stock Officer
    I see this legendary car every day. Monument at the Kirov factory in St. Petersburg. Power and greatness. So many years have passed, and to this day is a matter of respect.

    Khnado tank biathlon in the yards ... what will the boys do
  15. awersa
    awersa 9 September 2014 20: 14
    +2
    closer to the Japs, so that they saw through binoculars and each time before blathering to think to the side smoked a good thought)))
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 9 September 2014 20: 21
      -1
      Well, you don’t scare them with old tanks .. then Schaub was afraid of the carcasses ... substitute .. they are not indifferent to the carcasses
  16. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 9 September 2014 20: 19
    +6
    why on the picture is-3?
    1. Yves762
      Yves762 9 September 2014 20: 24
      +3
      laughing Say "Thank you" that in general it is Soviet ...
    2. dkflbvbh
      dkflbvbh 9 September 2014 20: 27
      0
      Quote: maxxdesign
      why on the picture is-3?


      Shaw found ... wink
  17. zlideny
    zlideny 9 September 2014 20: 23
    +2
    In vain they removed the shutters and sights. Vaughn in Ukraine, left the pedestal and in battle. It is so good.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 9 September 2014 21: 03
      0
      That's for sure, it would be better if sent to Novorossia as a gift for the Victory anniversary. And what will be decided there - whether on a pedestal, or on the front line, this is their business.
  18. Siberian
    Siberian 9 September 2014 20: 24
    +3
    After the war, the IS-2s were modernized and were in service with the Soviet and then the Russian army until 1995.
    Long-lived veteran however !!! Well done IS-2, handsome.
  19. shelva
    shelva 9 September 2014 20: 26
    +3
    The main thing is to lubricate these memorials during the time, and to put the optics and shutters in place is not a long matter. "but our armored train ..."
  20. Azovian
    Azovian 9 September 2014 20: 27
    +2
    Back in 1983-1985, my peers over the Urals for 2 years guarded landfills with tanks from the Second World War. In preservation, everything that can rust is coated with lard and wrapped with wax paper. I don’t think they were melted down ...
  21. slovak007
    slovak007 9 September 2014 20: 36
    +2
    So there is already so full of such equipment in the fortified areas.
  22. Cap.nemo58rus
    Cap.nemo58rus 9 September 2014 20: 36
    +5
    The photo is a little off topic. On it is the IS-3.
  23. Inok10
    Inok10 9 September 2014 20: 46
    +5
    .. throughout the Trans-Baikal Territory .. one continuous URs along the border with China and there the ISs are not measured simply .. between Dauria and Trans-Baikal continuous solid rail goes .. I remember the kid ... :) :) .. climbed everything in due time. . :) :)
  24. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 9 September 2014 20: 48
    +3
    Sakhalin residents can be congratulated good Samara also wants the T-34 to be erected on a pedestal. I just don’t know for sure whether it’s the one that is currently standing in Victory Park or a new one.
  25. Yugra
    Yugra 9 September 2014 20: 52
    0
    And you need to aim towards the Japs. Have fire for every fireman ...
  26. deman73
    deman73 9 September 2014 21: 00
    +1
    my dad served on ISa as a mechanic, told me that the device excellently took them out of storage for a month of training for six months, then they serviced them and went back to the boxes
  27. alexander 2
    alexander 2 9 September 2014 21: 01
    +3
    Quote: Kibalchish
    Generally speaking, the correct term is still not "liberation" of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, but capture. Still, they liberate their own, and seize someone else's, but legally and in fact, those territories were Japanese.

    And the fact that they seized these territories before we do not count?
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  28. Tourist
    Tourist 9 September 2014 21: 04
    0
    Strange, they write about the IS-2, and in the picture, the IS-3 ...
    1. DDR
      DDR 9 September 2014 21: 24
      +1
      Quote: Tourist
      Strange, they write about the IS-2, and in the picture, the IS-3 ...


      It’s not a matter of which tank it is, the main thing is for the younger generation to see and know the history of our MOTHERLAND. And this develops patriotism and pride in their country!
  29. major124
    major124 9 September 2014 21: 08
    0
    The photo clearly shows the tower IS-3 .....
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 9 September 2014 21: 29
      0
      Quote: major124
      The photo clearly shows the tower IS-3 .....

      In nete they found a beautiful picture and stuck it. Not all military history lovers! Be condescending. You will finally be greatly outraged: in feature films about the war, it is not Tigers and Pz-IVs that drive, but T-44s ... towers and muzzle brakes are wooden.
      1. DV69
        DV69 9 September 2014 22: 40
        +1
        Quote: samoletil18
        Quote: major124
        The photo clearly shows the tower IS-3 .....

        In nete they found a beautiful picture and stuck it. Not all military history lovers! Be condescending. You will finally be greatly outraged: in feature films about the war, it is not Tigers and Pz-IVs that drive, but T-44s ... towers and muzzle brakes are wooden.


        So where are so many Tigers and Pz-IV to collect? There aren’t so many of them.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 9 September 2014 23: 05
          +1
          Quote: DV69
          So where are so many Tigers and Pz-IV to collect? There aren’t so many of them

          There are no them in film studios now, there were none after the war, as well as forms, and everything else. We didn't think about making films about the war then, but it's a pity. By the way, the Belarusians in the film "The Dnieper Frontier" have made luxurious Pz-IIIs. Respect!
          1. DV69
            DV69 9 September 2014 23: 11
            +1
            Quote: samoletil18
            Quote: DV69
            So where are so many Tigers and Pz-IV to collect? There aren’t so many of them

            There aren’t them at the movie studios now, and after the war, there wasn’t any form, and everything else. They didn’t think about making films about the war then, but it’s a pity.


            So am I about the same thing.
    2. Orc-xnumx
      Orc-xnumx 9 September 2014 22: 37
      0
      And there is! !
  30. special
    special 9 September 2014 21: 09
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    Quote: Akvadra
    Quote: portoc65
    Until now, under Blagoveshchensk there are buried in the ground.

    Yes exactly . The legendary Karbyshev URs designed and built. Impressive so far. It’s a pity everyone poheril!

    Nothing, we will revive as soon as possible ...
  31. shitovmg
    shitovmg 9 September 2014 21: 15
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    Quote: Cap.Nemo58rus
    The photo is a little off topic. On it is the IS-3.

    Yes, the IS-3 did not have time to fight. Nice, powerful car! And the IS-2 in the form of a little T-34-85 resembles ...
  32. I doubt it
    I doubt it 9 September 2014 21: 27
    -2
    URAs were built against China. For example, in the Khabarovsk direction, they were designed to contain the blow for 45 minutes. Now there is no loss. Disbanded. Khabarovsk without cover. To ask the respected Vladimir Vladimirovich, and how did you compensate? So you won’t answer. Because NOTHING! Although of course there is not much point in stationary objects such as a bunker with a tank tower. But China is not our friend. And the farther, the worse.
    1. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 9 September 2014 21: 55
      +2
      Very deep analysis. Especially claims to GDP, where did the tanks go? !!!
    2. DV69
      DV69 9 September 2014 21: 57
      0
      Quote: I doubt it
      URAs were built against China. For example, in the Khabarovsk direction, they were designed to contain the blow for 45 minutes. Now there is no loss. Disbanded. Khabarovsk without cover. To ask the respected Vladimir Vladimirovich, and how did you compensate? So you won’t answer. Because NOTHING! Although of course there is not much point in stationary objects such as a bunker with a tank tower. But China is not our friend. And the farther, the worse.


      If there is not much sense in these URAs. why compensate for them.
      1. Bombardier
        Bombardier 9 September 2014 22: 26
        +1
        You can drive tourists in the UR, those who wish will be the sea.
        1. DV69
          DV69 9 September 2014 22: 38
          +1
          Quote: Bombardier
          You can drive tourists in the UR, those who wish will be the sea.


          Well, if only so.
  33. mathkiller
    mathkiller 9 September 2014 22: 16
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    IS-2 is handsome! One of the symbols of the power of the USSR army.
  34. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx 9 September 2014 22: 34
    0
    In the photo, either the IS-3, or the T-10, but not the IS-2!
  35. 51064
    51064 9 September 2014 22: 35
    0
    By the way, in the photo to the article IS-3, not IS-2. As far as I know, the IS-3 did not have time to participate in the Great Patriotic War; in Berlin, the parade made an indelible impression on the coalition allies. Maybe he participated in the war with Japan - I don’t know.
  36. andrewkor
    andrewkor 10 September 2014 05: 32
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    around the TurkWo museum there was a huge exposition of equipment: guns, tanks, airplanes. Now there is a square.
  37. Ryuuk
    Ryuuk 10 September 2014 05: 38
    +3
    To all Zdrym) According to the news, only positive emotions. In the age of digital technology and the almost complete immersion of the young generation in them, attempts to maintain the memory of Russia's glorious historical past cannot but rejoice.

    Well, a little about the Kuril Islands)

    Japan was the conscience of fascist Germany, and not a poor sheep, which for no apparent reason was cunningly attacked by the USSR and chopped off "their" territory. At the Yalta Conference, they agreed on the unconditional transfer of the USSR to the South. Sakhalin and all the Kuril Islands.
    With regards to the Potsdam Conference and not indicating the right to transfer the Sov. Union ... But is it so necessary ??? We got them the right to defeat fascism and the direct allies of fascism, which was Japan.
    And anyway ... Japan is a sin to complain. She was still treated rather gently. It makes no sense to list their war crimes directed against the civilian population occupied by them during World War II - they did not differ from Nazi Germany, neither in terms of cruelty (inhumanity), nor in scale.
    So why didn’t we have the right to receive compensation for the most difficult war in our history ??? What moral or other reasons forbade us at that moment ???
    It is worth noting that it was not the USSR that acted as an aggressor in World War II. We defended ourselves against a merciless enemy who wanted to leave 15 million people in the USSR as slaves. Our army would not have stood on the border with China during the Second World War, Japan would undoubtedly be the first to attack our Far East. This is indisputable and not subject to doubt!
    Therefore, we had every right to receive compensation for the terrible losses suffered.

    And note, Japan is in no hurry to apologize for its war crimes, or somehow realize its guilt before those who suffered at its hands. Rather, even the opposite.

    And further. There was mentioned the Shimodsky tract of 1855. It is recognized as having lost force in connection with the Russo-Japanese War of 1905.

    The USSR proposed to Japan in 1956 several islands with a total area, as I understand it, 360 km². Japan refused.

    So far, only we have taken steps towards. From Japan, nothing but hatred and aggression is visible in this matter.
    And I don’t understand why we should justify ourselves and consider ourselves guilty in front of Japan ???

    By the way, I like Japanese culture, and I also enjoy watching Anime, but ... It never crossed my mind to jump for joy or even approve of the Japanese aggression towards us, across the Kuril Islands. Respecting the culture of another country is one thing. To worship her fanatically is different. Well, to declare about your patriotism, while limiting it "from those I will defend, but from others I will not" .... Here, even without comment.
    during World War II, the whole world (including the USSR) listened to Mozart, Beethoven and other German and Austrian composers, but this did not mean a manifestation of sympathy, for example, to fascist Germany ...
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 10 September 2014 07: 03
      -1
      Japan admitted its crimes and paid for them in every sense of the word. In addition, modern Japan has absolutely nothing to do with that Japan.
      And Japanese culture is not only anime. Personally, I came there from a different direction.
      1. ydjin
        ydjin 10 September 2014 07: 54
        +1
        Quote: Kibalchish
        Japan admitted its crimes and paid for them in every sense of the word. In addition, modern Japan has absolutely nothing to do with that Japan.
        And Japanese culture is not only anime. Personally, I came there from a different direction.

        Here, I answered! Including the territories, let them say thanks that we did not land in Hokkaido, which according to the plan were to enter the Soviet zone of occupation! angry
        1. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 10 September 2014 12: 35
          0
          To argue with delirium is not to respect yourself.
      2. iwakura
        iwakura 10 September 2014 11: 46
        0
        namely, that modern, built by American standards, Japan, has nothing to do with that.
      3. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 10 September 2014 13: 29
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        In addition, modern Japan has absolutely nothing to do with that Japan.


        Monument to Detachment 731 at the Central Cemetery in Tokyo
        Source: http://www.rumbur.ru/history/494-drugaya-yaponiya
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  38. ydjin
    ydjin 10 September 2014 06: 25
    +1
    In general, the article is a plus, descendants must remember the exploits of their ancestors! But I, as a resident of Sakhalin, are confused by minor inaccuracies. Aniva is the district center of Anivsky district, and Korsakovsky district accordingly has the district center of Korsakov! A wish to the author: -In the age of the Internet, it would be nice to start by checking the information for geography!
  39. Katorzhanin
    Katorzhanin 10 September 2014 15: 23
    0
    And in truth, the positive news omitted the author’s incompetence in the jaundice article (I noticed that this often happens when the article is not signed by the author).
    Firstly, the city of Aniva is the district center of the Aniva district ..
    Secondly, the IS-2s in question were actually installed, and to this day they are located on the eastern coast of Sakhalin, near the village of Starodubskoye, Dolinsky District, as coastal firing points. But they were there after the war they covered the coast from the sea landing.
    In 44, there were no military operations on Sakhalin Island, the Kuril Islands at that time were all under the Japanese.
    Well, information about the participation of tanks of type IP in the liberation of the islands .. for the first time I come across such information.
    ps These tanks could well take part in the battles at the front against the German fascists. it would be nice to find out their biography by numbers and attach them to the monuments (that’s why we could say thanks to the authors).
    about the photo is-3 so already written laughing
    I support the idea of ​​monuments