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"Kalashnikov" with the help of young artists plans to create a beautiful and convenient weapon

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Recently, the Kalashnikov Concern announced a competition for students of the Moscow Art and Industry Academy. Stroganov on the best civil design weapons, Said Kommersant.ru.



Representatives of the arms concern explained to the reporter at the TsNIItochmash training ground (part of Rostec) that “the whole thing is that they know how to make reliable and precise weapons in Russia for a long time, and things are much worse with beauty and convenience.” Therefore, industrial designers needed Kalashnikov. So far, the guys have been offered to create projects of hunting and sporting weapons, but the winners will be invited to the famous design bureau to work on the main weapon.

In general, gunsmiths are now actively looking for young people. In the Kalashnikov design bureau, young professionals are already about a quarter of the entire staff. And they do not always work on the sidelines. For example, the 25-year-old designer is currently developing a new weapon equipped with balanced automation.

A 33-year-old representative of the Kovrov plant them. For several years, Roman Spirin has been leading the work on the improvement of the 12,7-mm Kord machine gun, which easily penetrates BTR armor.

The correspondent was shown a pile of white bricks at the test site and explained that Roman showed the modernized Kord to foreign buyers. They have banned shooting at normal targets - they will immediately fail.

Another designer from TsNIItochmash, Vladimir Vereshchagin, is 26 years old. After Tula State University began working in the specialty. And now he is involved in the development of small arms for Russian special forces.

Personnel failure 90-x touched gunsmiths more than all other industries. There is simply no middle generation in the factories. Orders today went in streams, so young will have to execute them.

The correspondent was shown one of the latest developments - the ORSIS sniper rifle. Young engineers created it in the private company Promtechnology. Three years ago, 25-year-old Dmitry Solovyov developed the bolt carrier, 26-year-old Artyom Kott took the trigger, and 28-year-old Sergei Zavarzin worked on the lodge. All - graduates of MSTU. Bauman.

“We basically recruited people without experience, so that, as our leader said, the SVD and Kalashnikov assault rifles did not work again. Because of this, however, we sometimes invented the bicycle - we devoted time to some long-solved problems. But we have a lot of original ideas and 12 patents. ”- Sergey Zavarzin himself told later.

However, in the arms industry the picture is different. There are problems with modern equipment and personnel. It turns out that the development of 25-year-old design engineers bring to life workers who are over fifty. This is a serious problem, and she is waiting for her decision.
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  1. mig31
    mig31 9 September 2014 17: 34
    +15
    Kalashnikov as a kaleidoscope - millions of combinations, brilliant weapons !!!
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 9 September 2014 17: 37
      +22
      I agree. But if it becomes more beautiful - oh, it will be the weapon of the heavenly gods ... and Russia will bring more money to the group and the concern. Let be.
      1. VICTOR-61
        VICTOR-61 9 September 2014 17: 46
        +5
        Yes, even the mattresses recognized that Kalashnikov was an unsurpassed weapon, and as a priority, it has a good price for worldwide demand, reliability in all conditions, and Kalashnikov’s fakes are nicotized as if the Poles or Chinese didn’t
        1. severniy
          severniy 9 September 2014 18: 46
          +2
          then yes, there was even a bike that the specialists from the Ministry of Internal Affairs were in shock when the first twins by numbers appeared on the disposal, (damn it, we already sawed its type !!!)laughing and the Chinese without troubles figachat them under them ordinal and do not blow into a mustache ...
      2. Letun
        Letun 9 September 2014 18: 28
        -1
        Quote: vsoltan
        But if it becomes more beautiful - oh, it will be the weapon of the heavenly gods ... and Russia will bring more money to the group and the concern.

        Yes, there are not enough straziks on the machines. But when there are strassiks, the butt is studded with velvet, and the horn for the machine is painted with nail polish, then this world-famous weapon will become famous throughout the galaxy! lol
        1. 0603
          0603 9 September 2014 22: 19
          +6
          the horn to the machine gun is from the same opera as the barrel. There is a store and a trunk.
        2. Rodriques
          Rodriques 9 September 2014 22: 33
          +4
          Grandma's horns smile wink
        3. Alexey Lesogor
          Alexey Lesogor 10 September 2014 08: 05
          +1
          You are very far from understanding industrial design.
    2. vsoltan
      vsoltan 9 September 2014 17: 37
      +2
      I agree. But if it becomes more beautiful - oh, it will be the weapon of the heavenly gods ... and Russia will bring more money to the group and the concern. Let be.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 9 September 2014 17: 39
        +6
        what to talk about if AvtoVAZ only recently appeared designers :) :)
        1. Locksmith
          Locksmith 9 September 2014 18: 13
          +5
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          what to talk about if AvtoVAZ only recently appeared designers :) :)

          It’s not yours, there’s already a hundred years at lunch there’s its own design center, which by the way was developing design for many cars of other plants. But import designers there actually appeared recently wink
          1. severniy
            severniy 9 September 2014 18: 48
            +1
            Quote: Locksmith
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            what to talk about if AvtoVAZ only recently appeared designers :) :)

            It’s not yours, there’s already a hundred years at lunch there’s its own design center, which by the way was developing design for many cars of other plants. But import designers there actually appeared recently wink


            damn, but they did not try to develop a design for the cars of their factory !!!, as always, we are doing everything except what we need ... negative
            1. Bkmz
              Bkmz 9 September 2014 19: 56
              +1
              Go to MAMI and study at the designer, why don’t you work at AvtoVAZ, do what you need. I’m following the example of MAMI, I know that almost all types of Volkswagen, Hyundai, and so on are inviting designers from protection. Another conversation is that not many good designers come out, and AvtoVAZ will not give more money than Volkswagen, will not give laboratories, etc.
            2. Aljavad
              Aljavad 10 September 2014 01: 16
              0
              lin and they didn’t try to design the machines of their factory


              They all could always ...
              As in that old anecdote about a lion in a cage: "Eat, then he Eat, but who can give them!"

              In the USSR, the transition to a new model is worse than an atomic war. Falling indicators for "shaft" and khan bonuses!
              Plus - manufacturability. To make it easier and cheaper ...
      2. portoc65
        portoc65 9 September 2014 17: 40
        +5
        So it’s a pity to shoot from a beautiful submachine gun. Does it really hang the current on the carpet and show the guests.
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 9 September 2014 17: 45
          +5
          They fly well, only beautiful planes. A. Tupolev.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 9 September 2014 17: 48
            +2
            As for the modernized KORD, "easily penetrating the armor of armored personnel carriers" - perhaps they were nevertheless honored to rebuild the KORD for the most powerful cartridge of 14,5 mm caliber?
            1. zennon
              zennon 9 September 2014 18: 56
              +2
              Quote: Basarev
              As for the modernized KORD, "easily penetrating the armor of armored personnel carriers" - perhaps they were nevertheless honored to rebuild the KORD for the most powerful cartridge of 14,5 mm caliber?

              No, yes, and it’s hardly possible. The difference in muzzle energy is very large. In short, you need to create a new machine gun, or take a KPVT. Another thing is that the BS-41 cartridge with a tungsten core is used on CORD. Yes, this really takes armored personnel carriers .
              1. Basarev
                Basarev 9 September 2014 20: 49
                +1
                Everyone will confirm that the CPV is extremely old - it was used in the very last battles of the Great Patriotic War, and therefore, I believe, has already served its own and needs to be replaced. I think the most worthy candidate will be a new machine gun according to the Gast scheme, with clear polygonal rifling of the trunks.
                1. Assistant
                  Assistant 9 September 2014 21: 28
                  +2
                  Everyone will confirm that the CPV is extremely old - it was used in the very last battles of the Great Patriotic War, and therefore, I believe, has already served its own and needs to be replaced.


                  Or maybe he is chasing the machine gun of Ivan-Moses?

                  I think the most worthy candidate will be a new machine gun according to the Gast scheme, with clear polygonal rifling of the trunks.


                  So for this you need an order from the military. The terms of reference for weapons in the KPVT caliber should be given, surpassing that, as you said, in rate of fire. But then the question is: why is the coaxial 14,5 mm machine gun fundamentally better than the single-barrel 30 mm gun? Or a single-barrel 23 mm?
                  A slightly distant example: at first on the Mi-24 attack helicopter there was a four-barreled heavy machine gun, which gave a high density of fire. As time went on, in newer modifications they began to put a paired 30- or 23-mm cannon, with a lower fire density, but a longer range and a higher result from a single projectile hit.
          2. Igor Polovodov
            Igor Polovodov 9 September 2014 23: 26
            0
            an ugly plane will most likely not fly ...
            1. Aljavad
              Aljavad 10 September 2014 01: 20
              0
              an ugly plane will most likely not fly ...


              Everyones flew ....
              But in different ways!
        2. Sergey Vl.
          Sergey Vl. 9 September 2014 17: 52
          +2
          One of the possible options for ending all wars. Can beauty really save the world?
          1. Aljavad
            Aljavad 10 September 2014 01: 23
            0
            Can beauty really save the world?

            Have you read these words in the ORIGINAL?
            Journalists launched a "quote" without context, and the author wanted to say something completely different ...
            And they also say - "you can't throw words out of a song." Throw out ...

            It is better to quote Ranevskaya:
            "BEAUTY IS A SCARY POWER!"
        3. voxa
          voxa 9 September 2014 18: 26
          +12
          The beauty is different for everyone.
          1. Tyumen
            Tyumen 9 September 2014 18: 40
            +6
            This is beauty for the primitive logs, for the fighter it is show-off.
          2. severniy
            severniy 9 September 2014 18: 49
            +2
            but not the same, but so that on the handle with rhinestones ??? laughing laughing laughing
            1. a.hamster55
              a.hamster55 9 September 2014 21: 35
              0
              So much prettier? Even from Yudashkin did not depart.
            2. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 10 September 2014 00: 46
              +1
              Quote: severniy
              but not the same, but so that on the handle with rhinestones ??? laughing laughing laughing

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        4. Akvadra
          Akvadra 9 September 2014 19: 16
          +1
          Quote: portoc65
          So it’s a pity to shoot from a beautiful submachine gun. Does it really hang the current on the carpet and show the guests.

          A good thing cannot be ugly. Whether in the trench or on the carpet. I mean the beauty of our tanks, aircraft, the same "Kalash". It's over, you can't stick a tank with an airplane on the carpet, but looking at them is a pleasure! (I have a Kalash hanging on my carpet, by the way. The layout, of course)
        5. ALABAY45
          ALABAY45 9 September 2014 19: 41
          0
          The main thing is that the barrel is not very glamorous! Something not very recently have been fashionable graduates of the specialty "gunsmiths" (in a classified version), mainly - managers, bankers, designers, managers ... For them the concept of "steel", at best means "Well , this bl ... TIN "!!! I wish I didn't believe it ....
      3. Revolver
        Revolver 9 September 2014 17: 46
        +7
        Quote: vsoltan
        I agree. But if it becomes more beautiful - oh, it will be the weapon of the heavenly gods ..

        I don’t agree. The weapon is beautiful in the first place with functionality. And all the bells and whistles like ivory cheeks and gilding - you yourself know who is doing this.
        Here to work with ergonomics - yes, it makes sense.
        1. portoc65
          portoc65 9 September 2014 18: 04
          +2
          Weapons should not be anything superfluous agree ... perfect already-beautiful ... look at our armored vehicles and aviation .. nothing more ...
          1. Tyumen
            Tyumen 9 September 2014 21: 18
            0
            * 9rot * looked or what?
        2. avt
          avt 9 September 2014 18: 18
          +9
          Quote: Nagan
          I don’t agree. The weapon is beautiful in the first place with functionality

          In, in! They will see enough of the plastic pribludy and begin to sing the Song of Songs - look at the samples in the west, the Kalash is outdated fool Designers ponimash need ... la! am For weapons, ENGINEERS are needed, and even with practical experience of use like Grandfather Misha! And not all this shit for making bullshit! Managers of these need a queue on the legs - let them dance beautifully, together with designers, merchandisers and other bullshit. installed only to improve ease of use and reliability in work under extreme conditions, and EVERYTHING, no annual "restyling" of models a la car industry! And no "designers for marketing" - an ordinary suction of money, as with the MO website and its video game, which in the end, it turned out to be a simple "Sea battle", for which you only need a pencil and a piece of paper - play on skype to a usher, or someone attaches their child to the business! Give them ruffles and rhinestones on Kalasha!
          1. severniy
            severniy 9 September 2014 18: 52
            +3
            and I’m blinking it all the same, no matter what the head is scattered about .... sad
      4. portoc65
        portoc65 9 September 2014 17: 56
        +1
        The weapon of the heavenly gods ... a god with a Kalash on his shoulder ... smiled.
        1. enot73
          enot73 9 September 2014 18: 02
          +15
          Great masters of tuning different weapons - the Yankees. Now it’s time for us to learn a little.
          1. DV69
            DV69 9 September 2014 20: 59
            +2
            Quote: enot73
            Great masters of tuning different weapons - the Yankees. Now it’s time for us to learn a little.


            Have you seen how AK officers equip constant readiness units? It certainly costs money, but any good tool is not cheap.
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 9 September 2014 18: 53
      +1
      We have enough talented young people, you look someone and Kalashnikov fit his original vision of the problem.
  2. portoc65
    portoc65 9 September 2014 17: 37
    +1
    Pink Kalash with flowers .. it will be something.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 9 September 2014 17: 40
      +10
      industrial design is primarily ergonomics and not colors and flowers.
      1. Telakh
        Telakh 9 September 2014 17: 44
        +15
        In terms of humor =)
        1. Tourist
          Tourist 9 September 2014 18: 24
          +3
          Sawing !! I want Mosinka !!!!!
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 10 September 2014 01: 38
            +5
            Quote: Tourist
            Sawing !! I want Mosinka !!!!!

            Receive and sign fellow

            Yes, yes it is a tuned mosquito. yes
            1. Pazifist87
              Pazifist87 10 September 2014 16: 32
              0
              Bulpap mosinka! smile
              In general, I have already read a lot about all kinds of crafts based on it, since there are a lot of trunks in warehouses)
      2. portoc65
        portoc65 9 September 2014 17: 48
        0
        Well, yes .. there is incrustation .. gilding .. red wood .. leather ... the perfect weapon in itself is perfect beauty .. what else is there to embellish .. color schemes and dawn breaks. At the request of the customer, a Kalash in the style of heavy matl
        1. DV69
          DV69 9 September 2014 21: 01
          +1
          Quote: portoc65
          Well, yes .. there is incrustation .. gilding .. red wood .. leather ... the perfect weapon in itself is perfect beauty .. what else is there to embellish .. color schemes and dawn breaks. At the request of the customer, a Kalash in the style of heavy matl


          Ergonomics.
  3. vitaz
    vitaz 9 September 2014 17: 37
    +2
    LIKE IN THE SONG
    Everywhere we hold young people
    Elders everywhere we honor
    1. severniy
      severniy 9 September 2014 18: 57
      +4
      and there is this on the internet: "The Russian Ministry of Defense is going to destroy 2015 million units of obsolete small arms by 4, most of which are Kalashnikov assault rifles."
      here you have the honor to the Old Men ... they would have to tear off their hands, for scribbling, if only they would formulate what had become unusable or as a thread yet, or else outdated !!!!!!!, tell this to the Somalis, so they will laugh ...
      1. Orang
        Orang 10 September 2014 07: 10
        +1
        Quote: severniy
        destroy 4 million units of obsolete small arms, most of which are Kalashnikov assault rifles

        Destroy the mobilization stock of small arms. Or fools, or traitors.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 10 September 2014 10: 56
          0
          of the total number of trunks is probably 0,01%
  4. Karabas
    Karabas 9 September 2014 17: 39
    +2
    More, More Beautiful, More Reliable!
  5. Eaglealex
    Eaglealex 9 September 2014 17: 45
    +1
    It is necessary, as in the "naked pistol", where the anti-aircraft gun akht-aht hieronage was collected from a Walter ppk ...
  6. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 September 2014 17: 53
    +2
    "Weapon is the most ingenious invention in the history of mankind ... nothing superfluous" from k \ f "9th company" And there is no limit to its perfection .. But this is how men are. Weapons and wars are the engine of civilization (at least so far goes)
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 9 September 2014 18: 17
      -3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      "Weapon is the most ingenious invention in the history of mankind ... nothing superfluous" from k \ f "9th company" And there is no limit to its perfection .. But this is how men are. Weapons and wars are the engine of civilization (at least so far goes)
      Ladies do not think so ...)))))
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 9 September 2014 19: 50
        0
        Quote: portoc65
        Quote: MIKHAN
        "Weapon is the most ingenious invention in the history of mankind ... nothing superfluous" from k \ f "9th company" And there is no limit to its perfection .. But this is how men are. Weapons and wars are the engine of civilization (at least so far goes)
        Ladies do not think so ...)))))

        Alas, you’re wrong .. Ancient instincts have not been canceled yet ... Women are a continuation of the human race and they reach out to those who can protect them and her child .. (who have a sharper stone ax and spear .. etc.) For women and the pasture of mammoths they fought before, and now everything is the same in essence, only more sophisticated and the murder weapon and mammoths and women too ..))) That's something like that ... hi
  7. doctor
    doctor 9 September 2014 17: 55
    +5
    Let them release good pneumatics PSP tyrov for 10. Lightweight and reliable. Different modifications and calibers. Pneuma lovers will say thanks. Izhmeh and Izhmash can do this. Thus they will take a huge part of the market for themselves.
  8. saag
    saag 9 September 2014 17: 59
    0
    pastes, neon lights, modding in one word :-)
  9. Dikson
    Dikson 9 September 2014 18: 01
    0
    Yudashkin was not invited, no? Straziki, there, little thingies ... ((The weapon should be reliable and simple. And it should kill efficiently. That's all.
  10. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 9 September 2014 18: 01
    +3
    It’s nice to hold beautiful weapons in your hands.
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 9 September 2014 18: 19
      +1
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      It’s nice to hold beautiful weapons in your hands.

      Shoot the bottles nicer
  11. Naval
    Naval 9 September 2014 18: 01
    0
    “Si vis pacem, para bellum” - “Do you want peace, prepare for war ...”
    And the whole world took up arms against us, so we must comply.
  12. Imperial
    Imperial 9 September 2014 18: 04
    +9
    DiResta AK47 Guitar
    1. RUSOIVAN
      RUSOIVAN 9 September 2014 18: 11
      0
      cool comrade!)
  13. mrDimkaP
    mrDimkaP 9 September 2014 18: 05
    0
    Ugh damn civil ... no need to scare ...


    How is it with the AK-12?
  14. alekc73
    alekc73 9 September 2014 18: 11
    +2
    In the machine, beauty is not the main thing.
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 9 September 2014 18: 24
      +1
      Quote: alekc73
      In the machine, beauty is not the main thing.

      Quote: alekc73
      In the machine, beauty is not the main thing.
      in the machine, the main thing is that the cartridges do not run out.
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 9 September 2014 20: 35
      +1
      Quote: alekc73
      In the machine, beauty is not the main thing.

      I agree !..! A real weapon is when you take it in your hands and feel its power and strength with every cell of your body ... That's what I think of its beauty
  15. Tourist
    Tourist 9 September 2014 18: 17
    +6
    “The whole point is that they have been able to make reliable and accurate weapons in Russia for a long time, but with beauty and the convenience is much worse. "
    How, how, they swam, we know.
    When one girl-architect on her diploma was asked a question on the topic of additional overlap in a building, which should have been made in the shape of a lyre, to the question: "Girl, how do you intend to bend the 22nd I-beam into such a shape without losing its bearing capacity?"
    The girl replied with the words of Schrödinger: "But this is beautiful .."
    Z.Y. The weapon must meet the 2 requirements:
    1) Be reliable
    2) effectively reduce the enemy population.
    Everything else is from the Evil One. (IMHO)
    1. roman_pilot
      roman_pilot 9 September 2014 18: 43
      +2
      2) effectively reduce the enemy population.
      Everything else is from the Evil One. (IMHO)
      You can do it beautifully!
      1. Tourist
        Tourist 9 September 2014 18: 55
        +3
        Isn't Kalash handsome? There were, of course, things and more elegant, as, for example, ABC and CBT, but not so reliable.
        And Kalash, along with parabellum, has long occupied its niche in the "weapon for a century" section, holding an honorable second place, since it was later born into the world.
        1. Steel loli
          Steel loli 9 September 2014 20: 58
          0
          And you think - why does AK always lose foreign tenders to other small arms?
          1. Tourist
            Tourist 9 September 2014 21: 27
            0
            Quote: Steel Loli
            And you think - why does AK always lose foreign tenders to other small arms?
            And can you give more details, which one?
            1. builder
              builder 9 September 2014 22: 54
              +1
              The tender in Vietnam was lost.
              The Russian Kalashnikov concern has lost to Israel a tender for the construction of a plant for the assembly of machines for the Ministry of Defense of Vietnam because of the high bid price. Now the Vietnamese servicemen, who have been using domestic AK-47 assault rifles since the last century, will switch to Israeli Galil ACE-31 and ACE-32 rifles,
              The loss of Russia in the Vietnamese competition was actually confirmed by the general director of the Kalashnikov concern Alexei Krivoruchko. According to him, to reduce the high cost of the Russian proposal does not allow large costs in production. After the failure in Vietnam, the concern management plans to carry out production optimization without job cuts.
              1. Tourist
                Tourist 10 September 2014 17: 38
                0
                The tender in Vietnam was lost.
                The Russian Kalashnikov concern has lost to Israel a tender for the construction of a plant for the assembly of machines for the Ministry of Defense of Vietnam because of the high bid price. Now the Vietnamese servicemen, who have been using domestic AK-47 assault rifles since the last century, will switch to Israeli Galil ACE-31 and ACE-32 rifles,
                Yes, I beg you! you can't substitute yourself like that. This is the same Kalash, only "Made in Israel" hi
          2. builder
            builder 9 September 2014 22: 49
            +1
            There are too many effective managers in Russia
        2. DV69
          DV69 9 September 2014 21: 04
          +1
          Quote: Tourist
          Isn't Kalash handsome? There were, of course, things and more elegant, as, for example, ABC and CBT, but not so reliable.
          And Kalash, along with parabellum, has long occupied its niche in the "weapon for a century" section, holding an honorable second place, since it was later born into the world.


          That's just about the reliability of Luger is not necessary. Shooting from it in a classic stance is certainly a pleasure, but cleaning it later.
      2. Aljavad
        Aljavad 10 September 2014 01: 42
        0
        You can do it beautifully!

        And most importantly - with love!
  16. Ryndabul
    Ryndabul 9 September 2014 18: 44
    +2
    What is beauty? The question is philosophical. Some of the greats answered this question like this: "Beauty is when nothing is superfluous." Nothing superfluous with ultimate functionality, reliability of connections with an increase in slaughter, convenience with sufficient weight reduction, etc., etc., etc. This will be the beauty of the weapon. The katana is an extremely simple weapon, but how beautiful it is to kill! This is how Kalashnikov's weapons should be. As for the designers ... At first they were not in the industry at all - the engineers themselves were engaged in the design. And it turned out, in all honesty, let's say, not very much - I liked the foreign more, although sometimes the reliability of the domestic one was sometimes even higher. Then we had bureaus, and in the West the names of designers appeared, schools were formed. And all this is money! Today, it would seem, everyone understands that beautiful is an advantage in competition! But no, some prefer an uncouth club - what rugby bat. PS I sat for a shift in the Kamatsu cockpit and then a shift in the BelAZ cockpit, and realized that beauty is also a high level of technology ....
  17. Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo 9 September 2014 18: 55
    +1
    Accurate. Reliable. Ergonomic.
    This should be an automatic machine. Everything else that is now blowing dust and bubbles.
  18. tolancop
    tolancop 9 September 2014 18: 56
    +5
    IMHO, a dubious undertaking. Who will call AKM ugly? Or ugly SVD? SKS-45 is not the last company of the guard of honor used for its beauty.
    An artist may draw a handsome one, but will a handsome man be externally beautiful inside? From my point of view, the most famous weapons were of both external and internal beauty. And artists for this was not needed.
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 10 September 2014 01: 46
      0
      SKS-45 is not the last company of the guard of honor used for its beauty.


      I agree. British guardsmen somehow do not look organically ....
  19. Massik
    Massik 9 September 2014 18: 57
    0
    MMM how can an artist (designer laughing ) who does not have sufficient shooting practice - to touch the "design" (there is the Russian word "design" - to see it in the ages) weapons ??? After all, they will not hang it on the wall, but shoot from it. Everything should be subordinated to shooting, and only then to appearance ..
    1. SSeT
      SSeT 9 September 2014 22: 16
      +1
      Nobody has canceled industrial design yet. Convenience and elegance are not at the expense of functionality. For the sake of this and the idea - a pure engineer can and will make a functional masterpiece, only you can’t take it in your hands - snag-snag! So that! hi (Take at least the PI of the first issues - do not put it in the holster, all fingers are cut - like a gear from a tractor, not a pistol.)
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 10 September 2014 01: 48
      0
      there is also the Russian word "design" - to see it in the centuries)

      design is more than design. First of all, it is also ergonomics.
  20. zennon
    zennon 9 September 2014 18: 59
    +3
    Quote: tolancop
    Who will call AKM ugly? Or ugly SVD? SKS-45 is not the last company of the guard of honor used for its beauty.

    Yes, read the same article. There they write about CIVILIAN weapons!
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 10 September 2014 01: 50
      0
      Yes, read the same article. There they write about CIVILIAN weapons!


      BEAUTY! I broke off all the obscurity! And the lope of spears is broken ... wassat
  21. Cenij150814
    Cenij150814 9 September 2014 19: 30
    0
    I don’t quite understand where some (from the code) designers and weaponthat they can enter the delay of the bolt, ergonomic fuse-translator of fire, reduce recoil with all the consequences, follow the quality of workmanship, etc. etc., if so, then why the heck do you need a constructor question!, but you don't need to just ask to hang the Picatinny rail and the rest of the plastic rubbish, finally, start close contact with experts in your field (FSB special forces and ...) what do they need ??, yes In short, again from the fire and in the middle !!
    1. SSeT
      SSeT 9 September 2014 22: 26
      +1
      Take, for example, the Glock - excellent engineering solutions, extremely well developed industrial designer - at the exit we have a masterpiece. Catch it? (if you didn’t catch it - see above my example with PY)
  22. sky diver
    sky diver 9 September 2014 19: 35
    +1
    I don’t remember who said of our gunsmiths-the weapon should be beautiful. Beautiful means perfect. P 08, Nagan, P 38, PPSh, TT, PM, APS, AK47, SVD, SKS, Beretta, Glock, CZ, you can continue, And if for garlic, then there are not so many really beautiful weapons in the world.
    The master always draws and searches for a form for a long time, and only then does it in iron. Our weapons school is the best in the world. The main thing is that they would not interfere.
  23. special
    special 9 September 2014 19: 36
    +1
    Quote: Tourist
    Sawing !! I want Mosinka !!!!!

    Yeah ... With modern optics ... Vesch! hi
  24. family tree
    family tree 9 September 2014 19: 48
    +2
    Develop eyes, re-read the article!
    Civilian weapons, not army ones, let them hang them with straziks, if only they would sell more expensive. It’s not only the old people who work there, it’s time to update the machinery there too, so money is needed.
    Most of the comments are past the box office.
  25. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 9 September 2014 19: 49
    0
    young artists plans to create a beautiful and comfortable weapon!
    And how do artists make it convenient? And about beauty it is doubtful ak and so handsome hi and ergonomics can be tightened. (only the butt does not need to sculpt American)
    From the word America is sick, thoughts are rumored.
  26. Analgin
    Analgin 9 September 2014 20: 02
    +1
    Beautiful + Comfortable + Kalashnikov? All at once? No, it won't work. Not in this life, guys.
    There is either the first, or the second, or the third. To combine all three parameters, you need a modern machine tool park, moreover, domestic production (I understand that it is unscientific fiction, but nevertheless, it is not necessary to work on trophy machines exported from occupied Germany), normal salaries to attract personnel and some kind of, but production culture (I recall "explosion welding and assembly sober smile Then something can work, only when will it be?
  27. Dembel
    Dembel 9 September 2014 20: 13
    +2
    Many times I have caught myself thinking that the best weapon is beautiful with its special powerful and at the same time graceful, mesmerizing beauty. Moreover, regardless of the brand and country of origin. But, of course, I wish our dear Kalashnikov every success.
  28. Hanavaro
    Hanavaro 9 September 2014 21: 18
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    Weapon Designer? I understand - a specialist in ergonomics, but a weapon is a self-sufficient death machine. Effective = beautiful! Designers let George Lucas draw fantastic prodigies. For this they exist. Py.Sy. Kalash is not bought for design. And if for design, then everyone knows how he won the right to be beautiful.
  29. Uzer 13.
    Uzer 13. 9 September 2014 21: 21
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    There is nothing to fix here with the design, first the legislation needs to be changed so that people have the opportunity to purchase these weapons. In terms of design, the Boar already has quite good achievements, some Saiga models too. Extra bells and whistles on inexpensive weapons are not very necessary, only the cost of the product will increase, but in practical little use.
  30. GLUHOI
    GLUHOI 9 September 2014 21: 31
    +1
    "Zenith" body kits for Kalash! And you don't recognize the machine! wink Although he is so handsome! good
    1. Pazifist87
      Pazifist87 10 September 2014 09: 34
      0
      I agree, for example:
  31. Rodriques
    Rodriques 9 September 2014 22: 21
    0
    Concern "Kalashnikov" is fucking crazy, to put it mildly, it drives its products for export, I completely forgot about Russian consumers, you can find 12 saiga in tactical versions in fig stores, Vyatskiye Polyany, taking this opportunity, prices have been inflated to the skies, bastards, there is nothing to be happy about am the businessmen are bad, it’s good that they hit you on the head with sanctions, my God sees everything.
  32. Severomor
    Severomor 9 September 2014 23: 16
    +5
    Jirin went to the artists.

    “I heard your remarks about sculpture,” Jirin turned to the full, gray-haired artist, who appeared to be the head of this group. - Maybe you explain to me what you mean by beauty? Your comrade in art, ”Jirin nodded toward a thin woman,“ she said that the statue is ugly, and it seems very beautiful to me. ” Therefore, I don’t understand something here?

    The head of the artists looked at Jirin with condescending regret.

    “We must distinguish between beauty and prettiness,” he said instructively. “Beautifulness is what seems to be beauty for ordinary people, with an undeveloped taste, and beauty ...” He was silently silently.

    - But still?

    - How would it be clearer ... - Despite his aplomb, the artist hesitated. - This ... this is the artist's attitude to life. If it is bright, with faith in happiness, with proximity to the people, to life, it penetrates deeply into life, then beauty is obtained.

    - In the artist’s works?

    - Of course!

    “I'm not asking about that.” Does nature, outside the artist, have this beauty or prettiness anyway, or does it only come out by creating it by artists, which, in my opinion, is an idealistic invention?

    The artist blushed. Attracted by the argument, visitors came closer.

    - Of course, beauty exists in the world. But for her understanding, a developed taste is needed, an instinct for the artist is needed. And his duty is to reveal and show it to people.

    - Here at last! It means that beauty exists besides us, in objective reality, as philosophers say. And if so, what criteria do you have for determining beauty?

    “I do not understand you,” muttered the artist, who no longer looked at Girin with the superiority of an art priest .......
    I. Efremov "Razor's Edge"

    there is still a very strong continuation of the dialogue ....... if anyone is interested

    And now that IT is no longer beautiful ??? ...... getting old
  33. Pazifist87
    Pazifist87 10 September 2014 09: 28
    +1
    Not a single civilian artist can understand the engineering beauty of weapons. The beauty of the weapon is not in any inlays or notches. The beauty of the weapon in its rational layout, in the perfection and laconicism of engineering solutions, in the ability to fulfill its mission as efficiently as possible.
    Where there is technical perfection, there appears the harsh and rational beauty of weapons.
    It's my personal opinion)
    1. Pazifist87
      Pazifist87 10 September 2014 09: 31
      +1
      Or another:
  34. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 10 September 2014 09: 48
    +1
    If after the introduction of "beauty" the reliability of the weapon suffers - well, it is in fig, such "beauty" ... Ergonomics is not the last thing, but in order to "feel" it, you need not only pose in front of the photographer at a photo session, but drag the weapon on yourself, in hand, shoot after the transition / cross ... Or am I wrong?
  35. Nova
    Nova 10 September 2014 12: 34
    0
    Calm down, admirers of a condo, but reliable AK. Believe me, there will be no rhinestones and chrome. Kalashnikov assault rifles are high time to become more ergonomic at least. If you put the AR circuit in about such a case, as for example, in the ACR photo, it would be good.
    1. Nova
      Nova 10 September 2014 13: 24
      0
      Read "diagram AK shove it into something like this ... ", could not edit the text
      1. Pazifist87
        Pazifist87 10 September 2014 14: 13
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        Sorry, but the meaning of such a case?
        Above, I laid out a photo of the Zenith kit, and not the last, on the B-33 the picatinny rail is integrated with the receiver cover. Machine weight decreased 300 gr. in comparison with "kondovoy") So what is the advantage of the plastic "case", in which, by the way, AK automation without significant alterations can not be shoved?