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The settlement of Rybachy remained in the fog ...

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Good morning, forum users!

All that is described below is my personal opinion, supported by many and brought up for broad discussion in the light of the ever-deepening crisis of misunderstanding between the various categories of participants present on the VO website.

This misunderstanding, in my opinion, goes beyond all boundaries. We are talking about people who should be united on a common platform, and they are increasingly diverging from it due to various political, human, ethical differences, and for the most part a “poor quality” approach to the assessment of the information being taken out, and even more so to the estimates that do not include the so-called "urapatrioticheskoy" component.

It would seem that this platform (“VO”), which unites people who are more associated with the army, military service, defense of the Motherland, with an understanding of this defense, not only in words but in deeds, remained far in the fog, like a village Fisherman, and even further. This fog has closed access to many people who have been here for years, had their own communication style, their opinions, who also had theoretical and practical experience.

It would seem that this site was supposed to be the base for those who came recently. But, sadly, it became the basis of the frantic “Urapatriot” movement.

And against this background, the question arises: where?

Where are the comments that make sense? Where are the comments that carry a reasoned opinion? Where are the comments calling for reflection and dialogue? Where are the comments calling for reason? Where are the comments that call for understanding and balanced assessment? Where are the comments calling for peace, but not war? Where are the comments showing the desire for dialogue?

People of different ages, points of view, political affiliation, different views and "vdlyadikov", levels of opinion and levels of "poking a finger at the sky"! I would like to know from you a personal opinion on how, in your opinion, the situation on the Military Review website is now? How do you think the articles laid out are interesting for expanding the horizons and visions of the situation in the world, in the country as a whole? How far does the completeness of the comments on these articles and opinions correspond to the quality of these comments? How do you personally assess your comments, their meaning for other members of the forum and for those who read the site from the side? Do you think there are any more sites that are similar in information content to “VO” and does the quality, moral and ethical component of comments on the site correspond to other sites with similar capacity?

In your opinion, has the situation with informational occupancy on the site changed due to events in Ukraine? Does the quality of the posted opinions correspond to this information content? News and comments to them at the level of the VO site?

Do you think it is necessary to add a separate column for the opinions of members of the forum who post their articles and separate it separately from the column “Opinions”, where third-party opinions of other people are taken from third-party sites, on behalf of the editorial board or on behalf of a forumchan?

And finally, the last question: what do you think, why did you come to the "VO"?

I have the honor!

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  1. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 9 September 2014 09: 34
    +84
    I categorically and unequivocally agree with the Author.
    Thank you Oleg.
    hi
    Moreover, this article is a kind of continuation of his first material posted on Topvar not so long ago.
    The whole trick is that when writing a comment on this material - you need to think about it.
    With kondachka to drop a few words in the comments - it doesn’t work out.

    I will make my repost, written about 10 days ago, it was not easy for me:

    Military Review is a strong platform.
    It was not easy to "join the ranks" on it, as there were quite a few pros who cracked like a nut almost anyone who tried to "splurge".
    The authority of the Military Review was on a high bar. Articles cited by other publications. The comments were often more professional than the MOST article ...
    Is it good and worthy?
    Yes

    But Military Review at the moment has become the mouthpiece of the defense of the Slavic world against the arrogance of the West, which is trying to just chew on one of the parts of our world - Ukraine.
    And articles on this topic became dominant on the site.
    At times, the number of forum users has increased. There was a certain unification of different in life people, united for the sake of THIS goal.
    A certain sledgehammer of information war appeared.
    It's good ?
    Yes.

    But look what has become of the QUALITY of comments?
    The gray mass came and began to stupidly yell monosyllabic words, copying the same koment on different topics.
    - If earlier they fought for the race "to be the first in the discussion" (yes, there was a case), but quickly and easily brought out those who threw a comment without reading the article itself, now THIS IS NOT EVEN noticeable.
    - And to write a comment in sequence - it is already considered shameful - everyone climbs "up". Everyone wants to shout a couple of cheap phrases as quickly as possible and earn pluses.
    - Today we scream for Putin, and tomorrow we pour mud on Putin ... such komenty are cheap.
    What do we have?
    In the comments, the crowd rages with monosyllabic chants and frantically pluses itself for "highlights".
    It seems that everything is correct - Patriotism after all, but ... some kind of cheap patriotism.
    Military pros - it took a lot of them. They just do not like "performances", have seen enough during their service, and ... they do not like the war itself, and besides, they do not digest empty slogans.
    It's good ?
    No.

    What this threatens:
    One example ...
    - "tsensor.net" do you like? It is clear that not, you are on Topvar))). Why don't you? Nazis? Yes. Don't understand what they are doing? Yes. Do they have zombie TV? Yes. Do they have empty comments? Yes. Are they vicious and aggressive? Yes.
    - And now we will remove from their reasoning the word "Nazis" and "do not understand what they are doing", we will move the sign "-" to the sign "+" and what will we see ???
    And if you think and answer honestly?
    Yes, we will see the current comments of the Military Review on "Ukrainian themes".
    Yes, we went down to them (Tsenzorovsky level).
    And the sooner we admit ourselves to this, the ... WE WILL BECOME STRONGER.

    Yes, not everyone fights at the forefront.
    Yes. the information war in the 21st century is categorically NOT LOSE, and these are people ONE SIDE OF THE FRONT, but ...

    IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO MAKE INFORMATION. WAR IS SO CHEAPER AS HOW WE ARE TAKING IT NOW ON FUEL.
    So far this: quality at the level of the Maidan is shorter.
    ......................................................................

    Thanks again to the author for the article.

    I just believe that we will learn how to wage an information war more beautifully and boldly, sophisticatedly, about as effectively as the militias are now putting out the National Guard.
    And ... I hope that the level of professionalism in discussing articles on political topics will get stronger, and on military topics ... will return again.

    Respectfully:
    Alex.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 9 September 2014 09: 40
      +14
      Alexey, great comment good , except for this:
      Quote: Aleks tv
      So far this: quality at the level of the Maidan is shorter.

      To the level of censor, VO has not yet reached. hi
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 09: 48
        +13
        Quote: Vladimirets
        To the level of censor, VO has not yet reached.

        Yesterday it came to the topic of our paratroopers, only the lazy did not shout shame at them. It was as if he were on the Censor. Hatred and anger towards the soldiers of his country and nothing more.
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 9 September 2014 10: 03
          +20
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yesterday it came to the topic of our paratroopers, only the lazy did not shout shame at them. It was as if he were on the Censor. Hatred and anger towards the soldiers of his country and nothing more.

          I would not say that there was hatred. A statement of opinion on a specific occasion and nothing more.
          And, with regards to comments on the forum, That is too much, they do not make any sense. And solid slogans that sometimes there is a feeling that you are at some kind of Komsomol meeting, from the times of the USSR. It is the slogans that make it possible to compare with the "censor", just the opposite slogans ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 10: 26
            +5
            Quote: Russ69

            I would not say that there was hatred. A statement of opinion on a specific occasion and nothing more.

            Well, yes, you think the traitors wrote down the fighters, what’s wrong with that. The picture should be beautiful on TV and they should have died on camera. I haven’t read such insanity for a long time.
            Quote: Russ69
            It is the slogans that make it possible to compare with the "censor", just the opposite slogans ...

            There are no slogans on the Censor, there are pictures of mats and curses in our direction. There is nothing more there. They invented the news themselves, discussed it, and all the Russians were banned. EVERYTHING!
            1. Russ69
              Russ69 9 September 2014 12: 10
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, yes, you think the traitors wrote down the fighters, what’s wrong with that. The picture should be beautiful on TV and they should have died on camera. I haven’t read such insanity for a long time.

              There is an emotional component in the comments. Nobody forced to die, to nothing. But they must respect themselves, too, and not read a piece of paper text.
              Personally, I have more questions for the command ...
            2. Russ69
              Russ69 9 September 2014 12: 14
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              There are no slogans on the Censor, there are pictures of mats and curses in our direction. There is nothing more there

              There are no pictures, curses on dill.
              Urya chants, like "give Kiev", aren't they slogans?
              all Russians were taken away.

              No need to give their opinion, to give out for all, especially for all Russian ...
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              2. Oleg Sobol
                9 September 2014 13: 37
                +3
                Quote: Cadet787
                Review of military events in Novorossia for 08.09.2014: the "fierce" truce of 09.09.2014 - 12: 22 continued

                George, and to this article and the discussion in it, was it necessary to spread it?
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                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 9 September 2014 14: 35
                    +4
                    Quote: Cadet787
                    This post is important for all articles because it reveals the truth, which is more important today for all other events.

                    George, how would I tell you ...
                    Did you study logic?

                    So here:
                    1. Sugar is sweet.
                    2. Honey is not sugar.
                    Accordingly, we conclude that Honey is not sweet.
                    If I’m not mistaken, (I write from memory) then in Logic this is called an incorrect (false) logical premise.

                    The relevance of your comment no doubt, but here... ?
                    request
                    Something like that.
          2. andj61
            andj61 9 September 2014 10: 28
            +31
            Quote: Russ69
            I would not say that there was hatred. A statement of opinion on a specific occasion and nothing more.

            I support! If I am ashamed of the babble of four out of nine paratroopers shot by the Ukrainians on the video and posted on the Internet, it means that I am - at least a little - to blame! I have two daughters a little older than these paratroopers, a son and a daughter a little younger, the youngest one asked, dad, do these OUR soldiers really think what they say? How will they protect us? And I have nothing to answer.
            As for the comments - of course, their quality is falling, many are chasing pluses, "literacy" - just rolls over! But there is also a built-in editor, at the minimum level it is not difficult to fix it!
            And as for respect for the opponent - this is a real problem. You can’t just because of a word that you didn’t like, or because of disagreement with the position, immediately start swearing and hanging labels, more precisely, more offensively!
            Let's respect each other all the same!
          3. Telakh
            Telakh 9 September 2014 11: 04
            +8
            Alas, most of the comments correspond to the articles. There are a lot of re-posts of 2-3 days "freshness" and dubious reliability, when information of zero value is spread over 2 sheets. = (
            Interesting interviews with competent persons like Mozgovoy slip through very rarely, and are quickly bombarded with messages from "the Finnish governments about untimely sanctions."
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 9 September 2014 09: 48
        +13
        To the level of censor, VO has not yet reached. h


        AND THANK GOD,
        as for the quality of comments ....
        let's then raise the issue of EDUCATION QUALITY in our schools.
        Let's not forget what happened in our schools in the 90s and now we see echoes of this on our forum .... NEEDS TO WORK WITH PEOPLE .... to teach them, it is much more difficult than to expel uneducated students from the forum.
        1. Kingfisher
          Kingfisher 9 September 2014 13: 29
          +7
          Quote: The same Lech
          To the level of censor, VO has not yet reached. h


          AND THANK GOD,
          as for the quality of comments ....
          let's then raise the issue of EDUCATION QUALITY in our schools.
          Let's not forget what happened in our schools in the 90s and now we see echoes of this on our forum .... NEEDS TO WORK WITH PEOPLE .... to teach them, it is much more difficult than to expel uneducated students from the forum.

          Plus a comment, I want to add from myself -
          Is Military Review a forum? Undoubtedly!
          For what purpose is the FORUM created? - Association of like-minded people, discussion of specific information and statements of their OPINION!
          But people have different opinions, and besides, not everyone can put their opinion in a literary form acceptable for reading and discussion. It is easier for others (including because of the time limit) to express their SUPPORT to the author, or the forum member with short comments. This should not cause irritation. Forum is a section of a part of society, and of a certain part. Indifferent people will never come to him and speak out in one form or another, so it is doubly interesting to know how the opinion of people (educated and not so) who have received DEFINED information is changing (or not changing).
          The experts are called so because they possess complete information and are able to understand it, and then express their views of the situation to those interested in a clear and accessible form, and the forum users' business is to support them or not in ANY form convenient for them.
          This is my opinion.
      3. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 9 September 2014 09: 51
        +14
        Quote: Vladimirets
        To the level of censor, VO has not yet reached.

        Greetings, Vladimir.
        hi

        Let it be thickened, but ... from the best of intentions.
        Topvar is not indifferent to me.

        I can understand when about 20% in comments are peppy monosyllabic chanting phrases, this is normal, it is even welcome for ... the same pep. )))
        But when 90% of such comments ... well, why are they? For self-affirmation and ostentatiousness?
        request

        The information field is the strongest weapon.
        And it is in our hands.
        And we can make its effectiveness ORDER better, at least on one of our sites.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 9 September 2014 09: 56
          +6
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Let's not forget what happened in our schools in the 90s, and now we see echoes of this on our forum .... NEED TO WORK WITH PEOPLE ....

          Too general.
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          it is much more difficult than to expel uneducated schoolchildren from the forum.

          Point at least one student at VO with your finger. request
          Quote: Aleks tv
          But when 90% of such comments ... well, why are they? For self-affirmation and ostentatiousness?

          Probably for the ranks. But many people really think what they write.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 9 September 2014 10: 00
            +14
            I’m not going to poke anyone or teach anyone .... THAT IS AN UNMATERABLE LESSON (which is what the author of this article did).
            As for the ranks on the forum .... I am absolutely indifferent to this and I ask the site administration to remove general shoulder straps from me so that there are no charges against me.

            I like the MILITARY REVIEW precisely for the opportunity to lay out my vision of the event and if it does not coincide with the opinion of individual comrades, then I apologize ... hehe WHAT DOES NOT MEET THE EXPECTATIONS.
            1. AndreyS
              AndreyS 9 September 2014 12: 16
              +3
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              I like the MILITARY REVIEW precisely for the opportunity to lay out my vision of the event

              I completely agree with you! At the same time, the author of the article, in my opinion, is right that the informativeness of comments has decreased very much (the only thing was not to slide down to "...But, sadly, it became the basis of the frenzied movement of "urapatriots."... "), before registering on the forum, I was happy to read articles and comments to them, but after reading the article" Letter from Bloody Kiev "I still decided to write a comment. Personally, I was interested in VO's opinion on the operation of weapons and equipment (it helps a lot on work), but unfortunately recently there are often no comments about anything, and with a lack of analysis (as well as any evidence), etc. And the transition to "personalities" is generally considered an unworthy occupation, although individuals who are broadcasting about that the state owes them "like land to a collective farm" and carrying nonsense, like "and my friend's sister told me yesterday," is infuriating. And then I understand (although I do not approve) some who, from lack of arguments, begin to switch to these very "personalities" , the people “are not for themselves, for the state it is insulting.” At the same time, everyone present at the forum must try to behave more correctly and professionally.
      4. family tree
        family tree 9 September 2014 09: 53
        +13
        Quote: Vladimirets
        To the level of censor, VO has not yet reached. hi
        Alexey, Eugene hi good afternoon
        It didn’t reach the style, but it’s already close in terms of information. If earlier on a dozen posts one was about nothing, now it's the other way around. Like uploaded articles
      5. Sid.74
        Sid.74 9 September 2014 10: 12
        +10
        As Ukraine calms down, everything will go in a measured fashion.
        There will be less provocative news, analytics will appear! You just need to wait a little. Now, almost all the information is imprisoned in Ukraine. What can you do! You even open the "inosmi" or "counterpost" and here again she is darling, Uk-ra-and-na!
        Sometimes you think, well, about Syria write a couple of lines! At least write about Iraq! How is Israel? And?
        Figs to you! Lutsenko, Lysenko, Parashenko, Temoshenko ... pah Mlyn!
        We are waiting ... for the end of the crisis!
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 9 September 2014 12: 59
          +15
          Quote: Sid.74
          As Ukraine calms down, everything will go in a measured fashion.
          There will be less provocative news, analytics will appear! You just need to wait a little. Now, almost all the information is imprisoned in Ukraine. What can you do! You even open the "inosmi" or "counterpost" and here again she is darling, Uk-ra-and-na!


          I cannot but agree with you on this issue. Very important events taking place in our country are now held in one line and are not widely discussed, and if they do take place in the "news and events" section, then 90% of the comments are reduced to postulates in the style of the captain's obviousness. For example, today, in this section, the news about the abolition of Rosoboronzakaz and Rosoboronpostavka has passed through a dry line. This is a very serious decision, the purpose of which is to further centralize power and mobilize resource management in light of the impending threats to Russia. And the most important thing is not even that, but that Putin intends to head the Military Industrial Commission, The status of this body is increased by an order of magnitude. And this suggests what is going on. budget mobilizationin view of recent events in the south-east of Ukraine. the country is starting to take defense more seriously.It seems to me that the reshuffle will not end there. In the near future we will see a colossal reshuffle in the government, which in these threatening circumstances should operate with a minimum number of departments and industries and with maximum subordination to the president (one of the first steps is the liquidation of the Ministry of Regional Development). to remove Medvedev (to which the same Starikov and many other politicians have been calling for a long time) and the comprador liberal kagal standing behind him, despite all the agreements with the Family and the oligarchs, I don’t have time for fat, I would live ... The era of "strategy oil in exchange for pleasure oligarchs "ends. There are other opinions on this. Some analysts (the same Delyagin) believe that this looks like a managerial sabotage, which is recognized to eliminate external control over the execution of state orders, independent of the Ministry of Defense, and also the leader of the state should not head the military-industrial commission, because he has a lot of other things to do. The functions of the president should be to develop strategies and recruit personnel and inspire the people. Again, in my opinion, this is true in the era of peacetime, and now, in view of the real threat of war, there should be the most centralized management and mobilization measures in the economy and politics.
          In general, quite serious events take place behind the information curtain of Ukraine in our country, which go unnoticed.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 9 September 2014 12: 59
            +19
            On the article ... I generally agree with the author, but all this is the cost of all socio-political portals, which from narrow closed clubs of interest turn into popular portals with a large number of users. Perhaps the time has come to deal with this by tightening the moderation and introducing a limit for comments not only for "gray shoulder straps" but, for example, based on the experience of the user ... Other measures are possible, which can be brought up for discussion ...
            Indeed, there are a lot of comments in which you simply drown, what moderation can be here ...
            And finally, to confirm, I’ll throw a couple more news, which are very important, but were left without attention ... On the 11th day, consultations between Russia and the USA on the implementation of the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate and Short-Range Missiles are scheduled. Our delegation will be led by Mikhail Ulyanov (Director of the Department for Non-Proliferation and Arms Control). Americans Rose Getemüller (Deputy Kerry). Since I have some involvement in the preparation of this meeting, if we omit the specifics, everything goes to the fact that our management is inclined to withdraw from this agreement. The task is only how to get out of it with minimal geopolitical consequences.
            And finally, we keep our fists for the submariners of the SSBN Vladimir Monomakh when launching the Bulava. The boat left for the White Sea with the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy Chirkov on board. If the test launch is successful, then the boat will be in December 2014. will be transferred to the Navy.
            I am taking my leave for the sim .. see you in a week hi
          2. vorobey
            vorobey 9 September 2014 13: 06
            +6
            Quote: Ascetic
            Putin will have to take Medvedev away (which the same Starikov and many other politicians have long been calling for) and the comprador liberal kagal behind him, despite all the agreements with the Family and the oligarchs, I don’t live to be fat


            Ascetic dare to object (with all due respect). He will not take Medvedev away yet ... to engage in open confrontation all the more so now it makes no sense ... there is no receiver ... and Medvedev will not at least take a step aside without permission ...

            The leader is the commander in chief, therefore it is quite natural that he assumed the functions of a defense order.
      6. net abortion
        net abortion 9 September 2014 13: 27
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        To level


        Dill!)

        Nutritious topic.


        Since dill has already been chopped
        enough, and even the "main Ukrainian" began to be proud of this, as he said in Mariupol, I propose to rename the dill in- Svidogryakov.

        And some especially warlike former ukrov,
        like Lyashka and Farioshki,
        reward with an honorary title- CID.
    2. sergey32
      sergey32 9 September 2014 09: 56
      +9
      Alex, I always read your articles and comments on the site with interest. There are a number of commentators whose avatars immediately try to find with their eyes. It is a pity that they become smaller. Often I remember Kaa from Ukraine, who had not appeared on the site for a long time, with his very wise outlook on life. Empty slogans are also full, but that's okay, we will separate the grain from the chaff.
      About Ukraine. Yes, a lot of material. But this only means that it has remained a part of ourselves. We cannot ignore our bleeding wound.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 9 September 2014 10: 00
        +8
        Quote: sergey32
        has not appeared on the Kaa website for a long time from Ukraine


        don’t ... recently I’ve shoveled me like that ... oh .. I just haven’t any comments ... sorry.
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 9 September 2014 10: 09
        +7
        Quote: sergey32
        About Ukraine. Yes, a lot of material. But this only means that it has remained a part of ourselves. We cannot ignore our bleeding wound.

        Firstly, there is a real war, with all its attributes and the ensuing. Secondly, we are participating in it, one way or another. Well, and how to get around all this on Military Review, when the real war is almost at our place? The site is still military.
    3. vorobey
      vorobey 9 September 2014 09: 58
      +10
      Hello greasy brother Lech ... I’ll take a doppelganger now and we will be whipped in an honest duel ...

      For two years I live here, I came because the resource has become interesting to me. and some specialists not only caused emotion and surprise, but also anger with their incompetence and inadequacy ... the site of urapatriots? rave...

      you know my position .. I'm harlequin and a bully, while defending my point of view and trying to convey what I know myself and what I can do ... yes, as the Baltic states, I say Putinistus is tenorious, although this is a moot point.


      the author doesn’t something? look for another site ... Or urapatriot or clown has no word?

      The author come out of the dusk ... discuss. am there is no work, rain is pouring why not shy in a serious conversation ... I am capable. I can...
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 9 September 2014 10: 25
        +5
        Quote: vorobey
        Hello, fuel oil brother ... I’ll take a dowsel now and we will be whipped with you in an honest duel ...

        laughing
        Great, Sanya.
        I'm glad to see you.
        Quote: vorobey
        you know my position .. I'm harlequin and a bully, while defending my point of view and trying to convey what I know myself and what I can ...

        Brother, this is why you have a car of respect on Topvar, for "I defend my point of view and try to convey what I know myself and what I can do."
        Remember how we met?
        You IMMEDIATELY sketched my "underline" of driving ... so only a SPECIALIST can notice.
        And I had no more questions.
        And to be whipped by a dowsel - I will.
        But only with your back to your back ... to keep others busy.
        laughing

        It is a pity that the level of comments fell ... Yell? Yes, no problem. But ... there is almost nothing to read besides ora.
        Even in "specialized" topics.
        Something like that, bro ...
        I don’t kiss like a kissy young lady, arguing about it, but vice versa - want to shake those whom noona shake.
        wink
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 9 September 2014 10: 38
          +6
          Quote: Aleks tv
          It's a pity that the level of comments dropped ... Shout? No problem. But ... there is almost nothing to read except ora. Even in "specialized" topics. Somehow, brother


          here I agree ... and it is not for nothing that we turned empty topics or news into a platform just for communication in order to get to know each other better ..

          IN an indicator of the mood of society ... Do you remember the presidential election and my comments on this topic ... about the loan and the down payment of trust and how the majority gorlopanil against ... now the situation has warmed up ... and it's not bad that people rallied if not around someone around something ...

          I already wrote ... a different minus is more expensive than a plus ... You know that I sometimes provoke specifically to try and feel newcomers and they sincerely and sincerely sculpt .. old-timers fuck you already ... you will immediately face if ....

          I do not think that the resource has become worse. just opponents diminished ... remember how the US Marine Corps veteran lashed at the beginning, wrote in a personal letter even before it was opened. Yes, the quality of comments has fallen ... but excuse me, we are not a Valdai club and not where where .. there is an opportunity to ignore - use ... click the button and you won’t see any annoying comments .. and deprive the words .. why ..
          1. sergey32
            sergey32 9 September 2014 10: 50
            +2
            Two negatives make an affirmative wassat
            By the way, a suggestion. But is it possible to make it so that not only moderators see who values ​​comments? For more meaningful discussion.
          2. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 9 September 2014 10: 52
            +2
            Quote: vorobey
            I sometimes provoke specifically to ogrebat and feel newcomers and they sincerely and sincerely sculpt ..

            Yes you, my friend, a provocateur. laughing
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 9 September 2014 11: 05
              +2
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Yes you, my friend, a provocateur


              atom ... I’m on the second education ...

              Sometimes he screams as much as he takes his breath away, and then on the sly he smashes everyone into sculpts, or just sculpts and cannot argue ....
          3. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 9 September 2014 10: 55
            +2
            Quote: vorobey
            and it’s not bad that people rallied if not around someone, then around something ...

            YES.
            Different people have rallied - this is probably what pleases me the most ... probably one of the best news for many years.

            And what about "deprive the word?"
            Don't ... Sanya, I don't agree either.
            And here is to "puzzle" the people a little, so that they SHAKE and think that they began to write MASSIVE - here I am for it.
            Too hardening, I also do not mind, how could I do without it ...
            .........................
            ... By the way, hello to you from the Mechanic.
            We are here on Sunday (after the meeting), cockroaches in the Ekb got into some kind of darkness and slightly ... ahem ... bit.
            repeat
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 9 September 2014 11: 12
              +3
              Quote: Aleks tv
              ... By the way, hello to you from the Mechanic. We are here on Sunday, (after the meeting), cockroaches in Ekb were festooned in some darkness and slightly ... ahem ... bit


              There you are. at birth .. when I will pull you to my place already ... one hell all at sea go by me on the same road ... maybe even one of you has covered this summer with obscenities .. but to unsubscribe and stop by not fate ... laughing hello to Zheka, mutually ... he probably has a lot to do if he doesn’t show up ... let him plow .. for the good of the Motherland .. let's see what he got and you’ll have to beat him.
        2. super-vitek
          super-vitek 9 September 2014 13: 32
          +4
          Guys so with the onset of events in Ukraine, the number of topics related to weapons topics, innovations in this area was reduced to a minimum !!!! From here the answer to the question, what topics are such and comments. Now I wrote a comment on the article about the investigation of the crash of Boeing, what can I write , and so everything is clear EXTREMELY !!!! Once again I repeat, as soon as the level of articles falls, so does the level of comments !!!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 10: 27
        0
        Quote: vorobey
        ... I’ll take a dowsel now and will whip with you in a fair fight ...

        Is this about what?
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 9 September 2014 10: 39
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Is this about what?


          for starters ... boring ..
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 10: 52
            +3
            Quote: vorobey
            for starters ... boring ..

            Judging by the response of Aleks TV, this is not a seed. Encrypted, well.
            Given that both of you are tankers, I typed in Google, What is a dawdler .. here are the answers. The latter caught my attention, guys are cutting into tanks laughing
            1. Oleg Sobol
              9 September 2014 14: 27
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              boys are being cut into tanks laughing

              It happens, however bully
    4. major071
      major071 9 September 2014 10: 35
      +18
      I agree with the author. I also conceived an article on this topic, even made sketches, but unfortunately the household routine dragged me into the quagmire of major repairs. No time. But I will unsubscribe here. I have been with Voennoye Obozreniye for a year and I am not going to leave it. But a lot has changed over this year: remember before what verbal battles were in some topics? And congratulations to the birthday members of the forum? Gatherings after midnight in one of the topics generally not related to this topic, while you did not receive a "hello" from the moderator? And before the very "spirit" of the comments was different, they were "warmer" or something. Yes, there were disputes, and what a lot! But it was like that at home, among their own. Among the people whom VO made friends. I wanted to be rude - wrote in a personal, and did not take out the trash for everyone to see. But everything changed, there were more insults and rudeness. We began to skip words for which we previously received warnings. It all started with the events in Ukraine. It was then that the tone of our comments gradually began to change, anger appeared in people that needed to be thrown out. And where, if not in the posts, and if they also disagree with you? I understand everything and everyone, but we must somehow be kinder to each other. Moreover, most of us are on one side of the barricade. IMHO. hi
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 9 September 2014 10: 47
        +7
        Quote: major071
        And before the very "spirit" of the comments was different, they were "warmer" or something. Yes, there were disputes, and what a lot! But it was somehow at home, among his own


        another black oil brother got out ... Why are you so active ... laughing Have you sensed a holiday?

        Volodya hi ... here two years ago there were battles, and not such words slipped through and some topics now have an absolute taboo.

        Ukraine will still bring us surprises ... but nevertheless, men ... come back .. the Turkish proverb says ... even after half the way and realizing that you are going the wrong way, come back ...
        1. major071
          major071 9 September 2014 10: 53
          +10
          Hi Sanya! hi
          All our battles, and a year or two ago, are already in the past, no matter how bitter it may sound. drinks
          The most important thing is that everything would be fine now! wink
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 10: 57
            +3
            Quote: major071
            . two years ago, there were battles, and not such words slipped through and some topics now have an absolute taboo.

            Sanya, before everyone just thumped right here on the site, now everyone has got over to Skype. And there is no time to write on Skype in the site, that's silence.
            Quote: major071
            major071

            Also healthy drinks
            1. major071
              major071 9 September 2014 11: 03
              +9
              Hi Sanya! hi
              Fuel oil - we are! laughing We measure ourselves with dowels, then with calibers. laughing
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 11: 04
                +6
                Quote: major071
                Now we measure with dowels, then with calibers

                You still **** die laughing
                1. family tree
                  family tree 9 September 2014 11: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  You **** will die laughing

                  Yes, Vladimir seems to be hinting at something what as far as the measure of my depravity can judge repeat laughing
            2. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 9 September 2014 11: 05
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Earlier, everyone just thumped right here on the site, now everyone has moved to skype. And there is no time to write on skype on the site, that's silence.

              laughing laughing laughing
              Well, damn it ... revealed.
              repeat
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 11: 15
                +2
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Well, damn it ... revealed.

                But shaw, it really was yes, who has a longer barrel wassat Yes you are perverts lol
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey 9 September 2014 11: 21
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  But shaw, it really was yes, who has a longer barrel. Yes, you are perverts.


                  Lech about Skype, and you just have to measure.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 11: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: vorobey
                    Lech about skype

                    But sho skype, I have his skype and they didn’t measure anything there. Although maybe in my absence you’re doing something ****. Yeah, well, it's personal, I understand everything and in general, now freedom, no need to be shy lol
                    1. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 9 September 2014 12: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Shaw skype, I have his skype

                      Plin, Sasha, look at the PM, there is an unopened letter hanging from the 27 of August.
                      I have a new nickname on skype, the old one ... drank it.
                      repeat
          2. vorobey
            vorobey 9 September 2014 11: 00
            +1
            Quote: major071
            The most important thing is that everything would be fine now


            Volodya Ukraine is in the top, sanctions in the top, Makarevich Arbenina, in the top ... Poroshenko Avakov in the top, Obama in the top, but what to write about them ... everything is already written ...

            damn their friends forgot Psaku and Harf .. but there isn’t any more news ... it’s boring to write about how the Poles askomin eat up from apples or Australia is threatening not to deliver kenguryatin. The husk and that has subsided ... everyone is waiting for the denouement ...
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 9 September 2014 11: 10
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              everyone is waiting for the denouement ...

              Well I do not know, request I polish trihedral.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 9 September 2014 11: 49
                +1
                Quote: Vladimirets
                I polish trihedral.


                there’s nothing for you to do ... 100 knock back better ... I greased my cannon fodder and he won’t be ...

                By the way, the newly-minted specialists tankers probably don’t know what cannon fat is and what demand it was used by motorists of the USSR
                1. family tree
                  family tree 9 September 2014 11: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: vorobey
                  By the way, the newly-minted specialists tankers probably don’t know what cannon fat is and what demand it enjoyed among motorists

                  Yes, it’s now, read, in any car shop on the shelf is request
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 9 September 2014 12: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: perepilka
                    Yes, it’s now, read, in any car shop on the shelf is

                    That’s it and the book tankers don’t know ...
            2. major071
              major071 9 September 2014 11: 13
              +7
              vorobey
              but there’s no more news ... it’s boring to write about how the Poles askomin eat up from apples or Australia is threatening not to deliver kanguryatin. The husk and that has subsided ... everyone is waiting for the denouement ...

              That's it, that everyone is waiting for the denouement. What kind of news you will not open - all about Ukraine, near it, or about something else against the background of Ukraine. Honestly tired already
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 11: 17
                +3
                Quote: major071
                Honestly tired already

                Well, there’s a warrior in Syria, in Iraq, in Libya, a karachun. That is the choice. Ebola also, well, Israel, the topic of the Jews is eternal.
                1. Oleg Sobol
                  9 September 2014 11: 44
                  0
                  Hi Sasha hi
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Well, there’s a warrior in Syria, in Iraq, in Libya, a karachun. That is the choice. Ebola also, well, Israel, the topic of the Jews is eternal.

                  This is the point, there is something to discuss.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 11: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: Oleg Sobol
                    This is the point, there is something to discuss.

                    Hi Oleg! Yes, all the people are hanging out in Ukraine. There was a theme for Syria, there are four comments in total.
                    1. Oleg Sobol
                      9 September 2014 12: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Yes, all the people hanging out in Ukraine.

                      Concerned about this psychological moment.
                      There is war, people are dying, the lives and destinies of millions of people are changing and breaking. But many, in my opinion, have little understanding of this. It’s there, not nearby.
                      Reminiscent of the level, Rome, bread, "circuses", and fatter ...

                      And the situation in the world is all connected, the same Libya, Syria, the same Iraq ... All links in one chain. But this is far, not so "interesting", and there is no less blood and ruined lives.
                  2. vorobey
                    vorobey 9 September 2014 12: 13
                    +2
                    Quote: Oleg Sobol
                    This is the point, there is something to discuss.


                    And here is the author ...

                    This fog closed access to many people who have been here for years, having their own communication style, their opinions, and having theoretical and practical experience.

                    It would seem that this site was supposed to be the base for those who came recently. But, sadly, it became the basis of the frantic “Urapatriot” movement.


                    Not thanks to the urapatriots, the fog covered, but thanks to the frenzy of book lovers who consider themselves omniscient specialists in all industries. Theoreticians who do not hear practitioners. if earlier with pleasure I didn’t take topics in my eyes, now I don’t even go to my native armored vehicles ... there are well-reasoned and compelling opinions everywhere with references and examples ... and when you start to pour on simple voaros, an insult begins ...

                    By the way, it’s not bad that there are a lot of patriots cheers or, in your opinion, one comment doesn’t stifle ten empty ones ... we already know who to look for and listen to and hear ...
                    1. Oleg Sobol
                      9 September 2014 12: 32
                      +1
                      Alexander hi
                      Quote: vorobey
                      By the way, it’s not bad that there are a lot of patriots cheers or, in your opinion, one comment doesn’t stifle ten empty ones ...

                      No, it’s not jamming, it’s just lost in a hundred ...
                      Quote: vorobey
                      Not thanks to the urapatriots, the fog covered, but due to the frenzy of book lovers who consider themselves omniscient specialists in all industries. Theoreticians who do not hear practitioners.

                      It is quite possible that is. So, as I myself do not climb into these situations, for the reason that you indicated.
                      1. vorobey
                        vorobey 9 September 2014 12: 42
                        +3
                        Quote: Oleg Sobol
                        No, it’s not jamming, it’s just lost in a hundred ...


                        there is such a button - a black list.

                        If he doesn’t want to see me, he clicked and mustache ... happy ..

                        It is necessary to give people a yell .... Here dill already ate the Maidan ... half a year said the first carriers of shells on the Maidan howled, the second mother and wife, then in chorus ... they did not believe they argued - we saw ...

                        Sorry Olezhka but I won’t stop hooliganizing and clowning ... because when they expect another joke or reprise from you, but they get a serious answer, they hear him better .. such an unexpected person ...

                        as for understanding the war .... it won’t be until we feel it ourselves ... War is always an abstraction until you feel your breath ...
                        hence the inadequacy of the estimates.
                      2. Oleg Sobol
                        9 September 2014 12: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Sorry Olezhka but I won’t stop hooliganizing and clowning ... because when they expect another joke or reprise from you, but they get a serious answer, they hear him better .. such an unexpected person ...

                        Duc, I’m just for it, I myself am pleased to read your comments, sometimes I can even neigh and plus, because the topic. Good humor, it’s also talent, like good comment wink
                        Quote: vorobey
                        as for understanding the war .... it won’t be until we feel it ourselves ... War is always an abstraction until you feel your breath ...
                        hence the inadequacy of the estimates.

                        And there is. Therefore, I am for understanding the war as a common grief and misfortune, but not as a discussion in the Ural-Slang-colloquial genre ...
      2. Oleg Sobol
        9 September 2014 14: 37
        +1
        Quote: major071
        He also conceived an article on this topic, even made drafts, but unfortunately the home routine pulled into a quagmire of major repairs.

        Volodya hi
        I hope you bring your article to publication wink
        Good luck in repair, the main thing is not to be lost in it fellow
    5. Giant thought
      Giant thought 9 September 2014 11: 04
      0
      As usual, quantity does not mean quality. Aggressive, not entirely competent majority, begins to slowly dictate its conditions.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 9 September 2014 11: 18
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Aggressive, not entirely competent majority, begins to slowly dictate its conditions.


        Are you talking about a conspirator of marshals two years ago heard ??? the mafia was such that Palermo and Naples smoked nervously aside ... such repressions and showdowns were ... at ... so many witches were caught, and how many people left .. and Smirnova was watered with Banshee .... but now there are so many marshals became and have ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 11: 26
          +2
          Quote: vorobey
          Are you talking about a conspiracy of marshals

          There was a "Gang of Marshals" In three skulls in one day people flew away laughing
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 9 September 2014 11: 29
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There was a "Gang of Marshals


            were we also among them? here it is freedom SANek ... at first we struggle for some reason, then we are looking for and appointing the last one who brought us here .. laughing
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 11: 33
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              . first we fight for no reason

              By the way, yes, now it’s not clear why the Polsait’s been trotted out. \\\\\\\\\ sometimes just one phrase from the newcomer was enough and the sentence was carried out immediately laughing
              Saita opposition wassat
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 9 September 2014 11: 35
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                sometimes just one sentence from a newcomer was enough and the sentence was carried out immediately


                Well, by the way, and now there is such a thing ... you have to harness sometimes.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 11: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: vorobey

                  Well, by the way, and now there is one.

                  Yes, it’s not that anymore, there’s no such excitement when the floor of Sait’s 200 grams rolled up. It’s so, a light slap to the presumptuous.
                  The battles for Karabakh Omar and David were worth what ..... approximate quote, as short as possible to the decency.
                  Omar, well, where is the Armenian David, I swear by my mother I will cut all of Karabakh am
                  David I'm already a pig here am wait for me in Baku, I personally will release your guts
                  Something like that it was laughing And now ..... fiii
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        2. STALGRAD76
          STALGRAD76 9 September 2014 11: 58
          +3
          Are you (generals) senior citizens or something ??
          Oh, I’m also a major general, it’s a pity in my life I didn’t even reach the major recourse
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 9 September 2014 12: 19
            +2
            Quote: STALGRAD76
            Are you (generals) senior citizens or something ??
            Oh, I’m also a major general, it’s a pity in my life I didn’t even reach the major recourse


            let me introduce? master of sports, lieutenant colonel, Chungajguk Abram Moiseevich ... laughing

            The reserve captain ... all ranks with a delay, quit when the documents for the major were already on the way ... so don’t worry. here most of these drinks
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 12: 22
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              Stock Captain ... all ranks with a delay,

              Quote: STALGRAD76
              sorry in life before the major did not even reach

              Stock Sailor tongue Where, if not here, you can send a mother officer laughing
            2. major071
              major071 9 September 2014 12: 29
              +8
              Retired major laughing He was leaving two terms, they didn’t give a subfield, with ... drinks
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 9 September 2014 12: 36
                0
                Quote: major071
                Major retired Two terms departed, did not give a subfield, with...


                Volodya is for you ... Well, you still didn’t run from the school, didn’t drink vodka in the sports room ... laughing
                1. major071
                  major071 9 September 2014 12: 59
                  +7
                  Who told you that? laughing
                  Our department was responsible for the first checkpoint, and there we had our own candeika with a citizen wink So it was difficult to catch us, especially the central hostel - nearby, on 30-40 minutes to run away, like two fingers on asphalt. And what did not catch - you're right! good For 4, there were no such flights. You just have to be able to. laughing
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 9 September 2014 13: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: major071
                    For 4 years there were no such flights. Just be able to


                    And we were fired wildly at first ... remember when we first arrived in our hats and berets ... so we were happy to quickly reincarnate under the general background. wassat
              2. Captain45
                Captain45 9 September 2014 21: 16
                +3
                Quote: major071
                Retired Major laughing Two terms departed, no subfield given, with ... drinks

                Himself such, 20 years of service drinks
            3. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 9 September 2014 12: 38
              +2
              Quote: vorobey
              Are you (generals) senior citizens or something ??

              Major reserve sun. Federal
              There is another rank ...

              Quote: vorobey
              here most of these

              yes
              drinks
          2. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 9 September 2014 12: 34
            +1
            Quote: STALGRAD76
            Are you (generals) senior citizens or something ??

            Senior Stock Prapor.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Stock Sailor

            Well, the foreman of 1 article at the same time. smile
    6. Hleb
      Hleb 9 September 2014 12: 32
      +9
      normal topic, normal comment. I ask for plagiarism

      If you dreamed from school
      Become a great commander
      The main purpose of my life
      You put the service to the motherland
      But he didn’t achieve it
      Rewards, ranks, rank
      You came to topwar right
      With flat feet here it is suitable.

      But remember from the charter
      Some simple rules
      Without which the commander
      You'll never be here

      Wake up with cocks
      To get out of bed
      Comment on a fresh topic early
      To cut not to be late:
      “With tongue removed; Congratulations;
      Plus article; The review is wonderful;
      Glory to Russia; Heart Balm "...
      You are on the right track

      Glorify the father of nations
      Welcome moderators
      Liberals burn napalm
      Mock reprimand

      If you are an ideological Trotskyist
      Liberal thought messenger
      Or even maydanuty
      Be silent about this.

      Here is such a science
      Knowing all these secrets
      Raise your rating quickly
      (don’t forget to add me)
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 9 September 2014 12: 51
        +3
        Quote: Gleb
        (don’t forget to add me)


        I do not understand where two Q are in my direction ...

        If you are an ideological Trotskyist
        Liberal thought messenger
        Or even maydanuty
        Be silent about this.

        It was necessary to add that up to a certain point ... so that the skull on the shoulder straps does not shine like a star, but with a Marshall star you can bleat even where.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 9 September 2014 13: 03
          +1
          I do not understand where two Q are in my direction ...
          What are we talking about?
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 9 September 2014 13: 20
            +1
            Quote: Gleb
            What are we talking about?


            Come on, come on .. welcome me. welcome .... repeat

            A society without the color differentiation of pants has no future ... (Kin Dza Dza) drinks


            Gleb, I’m not personally addressed to you .. hi
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 9 September 2014 13: 42
              +1
              Well, great) if I welcome, then sincerely, but just in order to get into the discussion of mods and ride for a full-fledged, it's not for me)
              by the way did not watch this movie, it happens) drinksMineralochka will manage today
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 9 September 2014 13: 50
                +1
                Quote: Gleb
                by the way did not watch this movie, it happens


                Highly recommend ... when you re-view it opens even more ...

                if you put it on our society, you will come to the conclusion that we are all chatlanes ..
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 9 September 2014 15: 44
                  +4
                  Quote: vorobey


                  if you put it on our society, you will come to the conclusion that we are all chatlanes ..

                  as far as I remember the film is our planet with anti-tentures, and we relate to the Patsak brothers, and at the chatlan a different color light is on laughing... On the topic of the article, Ukraine has greatly radicalized the entire post-Soviet space, including the VO. It is a pity that this forced many users from the republics to leave the site, the only hope is that "everything passes, it will pass, too" and a wave of jingoistic patriotism will subside on the VO, it is probably needed but in moderation so as not to get "poisoned", because the medicine often turns into poison if the dosage is exceeded.
    7. free
      free 9 September 2014 12: 41
      0
      M-yes .... briefly, and on business. I support!
    8. Juborg
      Juborg 9 September 2014 14: 27
      +3
      For the first time since August I posted an article +. The main thing is that everything is clear and to the point, without water, grievances and frank claims. I subscribe to each item of the proposals. A couple of friends justify their views, rather than state facts with shouts of "hurray!" Put a minus, justify, put a plus, stipulate why. And it turns out like at a Komsomol meeting, if only it does not stand out, and suddenly they put a minus. For many, the awareness of these pluses and minuses comes when they reach the highest recognition of the site of the "marshal", it seems then they begin to express their opinion, and even then not always, as if getting used to the current. After all, it's not a secret for anyone that in our Danish kingdom not everything is so rosy and obvious, not everything is in order in the economy, defense, social sphere (by the way, not only in our country, but also in the West, the same is not everywhere and not everything) ...
      I think every opinion, if it is reasonable and carries information, should be heard and appreciated. I skip opinions that carry populist monosyllabic statements like, "Oh, that's cool!" or "very cool, keep it up!", this is earning points and nothing more. About those who wandered here to make stuffing and spit out provocative opinions bordering on trolling, I generally keep quiet, but strangely enough, they have a place to be (so as not to relax).
      A simple example: my personal opinion about the current state of the rapid deployment of the Airborne Forces was taken as some kind of personal insult. There are many minuses, but I never really heard an answer with a reasonable fortune-telling, there was one weak attempt, and that was reduced to "fat minus 60 times." There is no dialogue in real life.
      I want to wish all of us and ourselves first of all, to think what we write, then to write, and, of course, treat the opinions of another with understanding (unless of course this is extreme radicalism or fanaticism!).
    9. yushch
      yushch 9 September 2014 16: 57
      0
      I do not understand your condemnation of the bulk of members of the forum. What you complain about is inherent in all popular resources. And so we are all sure that before, vodka was stronger and something was thicker.
    10. Captain45
      Captain45 9 September 2014 20: 47
      +2
      Quote: Aleks tv
      I categorically and unequivocally agree with the Author.
      Thank you Oleg.

      Alexey, if you could put a hundred instead of one "+", then without hesitation. hi Thanks for the great detailed commentary that is worth the article. good
    11. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 10 September 2014 17: 31
      +1
      The commentary is sensible, right in the eye. I also visited the "censor" several times. As soon as he inserted his comments, they immediately blocked the stsukki, although he did not throw anything offensive or humiliating. And about the nature of the comments there, so, indeed, reminded many of the current comments of the newly-minted members of the forum. Which is depressing.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 9 September 2014 09: 35
    +4
    Author Oleg Sobol


    This is not the first time I have read such libel about forum users from such authors .... I strongly disagree with him.

    He believes that his worldview is equal to the worldview of the UNAVAILABLE GURU .... in this case, he differs little from Svidomo in UKRAINE.

    I spoke and I say again .. you can’t equate the forum users under one comb because people are different and everyone has their own concept about the world and it is not worth expecting a 100% consensus and this is good.

    1. Oleg Sobol
      9 September 2014 10: 21
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      This is not the first time I have read similar libel about forum users from similar authors

      And in what did you see libel?
      Quote: The same Lech
      He believes that his worldview is equal to the worldview of the UNAVAILABLE GURU .... in this case, he differs little from Svidomo in UKRAINE.

      Dear, unlike you (even in this commentary), I have never allowed myself to become "personal", and even less insults.
      I suggested EVERYONE! discuss, calmly think together, come to an understanding.
      Personally, as I understand it, this is not interesting.
      To condemn the "rally" without giving anything intelligible, that's your whole comment.
      Thanks and on this one.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 9 September 2014 10: 31
        +1
        Personally, as I understand it, this is not interesting.

        Oleg, if you are offended, then I apologize ....
        but you yourself raised the question in a sharp form in your article, and naturally I will answer you directly that I think about it (in no way trying to offend you).
        I have already suggested in my comment what to do ....
        In addition to the rules of communication that are in VO, it is necessary to somehow teach people to communicate with each other despite extreme points of view .... this is much more difficult.
        And the fact that you offer me is more like writing a report to a higher authority.
        And in what did you see libel?


        Labels such as ultrapatriot hung on the members of the forum scrape to their liking.
        1. Oleg Sobol
          9 September 2014 10: 44
          +1
          Alexey, no offense wink
          I did not raise the topic in a harsh form, I raised it in the form of the Questionnaire, to think together and together, not imposing, as you wrote, exactly my point of view, but suggesting to discuss all points of view.
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          And the fact that you offer me is more like writing a report to a higher authority.

          Even if it reminds you of a report, then explain who you mean by the higher authorities, if I appeal to everyone?
        2. vorobey
          vorobey 9 September 2014 13: 40
          +1
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Labels such as ultrapatriot hung on the members of the forum scrape to their liking.


          but I do not. I take it easy. on the drum ... it doesn't matter who you are or how. if you have an idea, if you can argue and argue - "there are no obstacles to patriots" (DMB)

          This is the same platform, only when there is nothing to say, then the slogans are simply thrown ...
  3. Stiletto
    Stiletto 9 September 2014 09: 40
    +5
    I put a minus article, sorry. Nobody here will walk in formation, whether the author likes it or not. If someone's comment seemed stupid or meaningless to someone, there is always a "minus" button and the opportunity to enter into a reasoned discussion. hi
    1. Oleg Sobol
      9 September 2014 13: 48
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      I put a minus article, sorry.

      Sure, not a problem hi
      But, unfortunately, the article is not about walking while sitting, or sitting in formation, or marching on a "bedside table".
      Questions were raised on the subject of hearing answers and various opinions.
      Do you essentially have what? wink
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 9 September 2014 14: 17
        +4
        Quote: Oleg Sobol
        Do you essentially have what?


        In essence, no one initially needed to assign military ranks on this site. Many saw this as an "element of the game" - and well, let's chase pluses and minuses like children. Be the first to check in without having finished reading the article, climb on a higher branch without queuing (I mean the discussion thread), and so on. Again, the chants, with which the plus signs are more dexterous, were quickly "cut through". So while some topics are being discussed, others are chasing ratings - this is the main reason for the low quality of comments. By the way, the site "Odnoklassniki" died precisely because of this - well, how can someone put a minus - make an enemy for life? that's why only "class" and only "five" - ​​even for the most mediocre content of the plus.
        This is the first.
        Secondly, in my opinion, even the topics from the "News" section are not devoid of some author's connotation, which in itself leads to comments in the right direction.
        Thirdly, the rules of the forum are not strictly followed, but work "selectively". Our president, for example, cannot be insulted; others - it is possible, and even tacitly welcomed.
        Fourthly, it is absurd, in my opinion, to demand from everyone a lively and interested discussion of purely "military" topics - they are usually "on the site" on the site, and interest in them can be easily traced by the number of comments.
        Fifth, I don't see anything wrong with increasing and rejuvenating the readership of the site. If I were in the place of moderators, I would not even ban trolls - for once they take away the pleasure of communicating with those who wandered from the "Censor". They will definitely not communicate with us there.

        Yes, and we, I think, are unlikely to be interested in a site on which there are only two opinions: "mine and wrong."

        Therefore, Oleg, your desire to improve the quality and content of comments is understandable to me, on the one hand, but, on the other hand, any conditions or restrictions will not be able to lead to anything good here a priori. And many of those who had just "fervently expressed their approval and solidarity" with you in this matter, a minute later rushed to the "News" section to race to post all the same comments without any semantic load ... lol
        1. Oleg Sobol
          9 September 2014 14: 52
          +1
          Quote: Stiletto
          For example, our president cannot be insulted; others - it is possible, and even secretly welcome.

          It’s like in an old joke.
          Everyone here can go to the White House and say - Reagan.
          And here, too, everyone can go to Red Square and say - Reagan. laughing
          And if there is a continuity of generations in this, maybe this is not bad, or for so many years the situation in relations between countries has still remained at the same level wink

          For the rest, thanks for the extended answer. After all, he is not so much personally to me as to everyone else. smile
  4. Roman1970
    Roman1970 9 September 2014 09: 40
    +6
    It would seem that this site was supposed to be the base for those who came recently. But, sadly, it became the basis of the frantic “Urapatriot” movement.

    I do not agree ... Of course, "urapatriots" are on any sites, and VO is no exception, BUT! As a rule, people in VO are quite adequate and thinking. Do you want to compare with the "Censor" ... It would seem that it is a large news portal, but has dropped below the plinth.
  5. inkass_98
    inkass_98 9 September 2014 09: 46
    +10
    I agree with the author in the sense that if you have nothing to say or you need to think about the article, then you should not comment. Hooray-patriotism is close to the Black Hundreds, and both are based on animal instincts, and not on reason. I would like more civilized communication, but not the kind that is often present on the site - with shouts, scolding at the opponent. The most regrettable is that not only visitors, but also moderators, often behave this way.
    And I myself love to joke in the comments, why not, if this is not an insult, but normal human communication?
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 9 September 2014 09: 49
      +8
      Quote: inkass_98
      The most regrettable is that not only visitors, but also moderators, often behave this way.

      There is such a thing. Literally quite recently, I witnessed that .., unfortunately.
  6. ksv1973
    ksv1973 9 September 2014 09: 49
    +11
    Even if I categorically disagree with someone's opinion and give the person a "minus" for his statement, I am by no means disrespectful to the interlocutor. I just have no right not to respect someone else's point of view. The exception is direct insults to me or to someone else.
    All forum users - warm greetings !!! hi
  7. Signaller
    Signaller 9 September 2014 09: 50
    +6
    Of course, everything is true in the article. And Alex’s comment is also not bad, everything is right and fair. Here is just one moment sometimes arises. You can read the article. trying to comment on it is complete and sufficient, but if you think about it sometimes, then the whole discussion usually comes down to one banal thought. In any article there is the very basis and plot of the whole article. You usually write the answer to this. Sometimes a couple of words expresses the diversity of those thoughts that swarm in the head. Therefore - BRIEFNESS OF THE SISTER OF TALENT, so sometimes I act. And about chants something is true. Type soak and not any nails, this is not our method. Good luck everyone.
  8. domokl
    domokl 9 September 2014 09: 50
    +9
    In many respects, I agree with the author. If before, before the Ukrainian war. We printed articles that were really interesting for a fairly limited circle of people, now the ideological war has absorbed this side of VO in many ways. Another year ago I knew who and in what area was a specialist (and there were many), the comments of which members of the forum on this topic deserve careful study, now ... If you write under 90% of the articles, excuse me, Poroshenko is a fascist scum, you will be on horseback.
    I’m not ready to come up with concrete proposals yet, but I think it’s worth going out to a general discussion of this problem. It’s a general discussion ...
  9. Nychego
    Nychego 9 September 2014 09: 52
    +11
    VoenOboz has been reading irregularly since ancient times - the analyst was very pleased. He registered and climbed into the commentary at the end of August EXACTLY BECAUSE the resource turned into a platform for propaganda of certain views.
    Personal opinion in subju: until the wave of foam subsides, everything will be as it is. The people massively tumbled down here first in search of reliable information, and then the curators of their wards sent, as for every now actively read resource, and the patriots of the couch pulled themselves together.

    About me: private, commander of a department, chief of a weather station, meteorological specialist of the first class, served in the SA (Seshcha, 1988-89, military unit 64 233)
  10. USSR 1971
    USSR 1971 9 September 2014 09: 53
    +11
    The answer to the author to his question "why did you come to" VO "?". I came to VO in order to first of all see the news of the events of interest to me and the opinions of other people in relation to them. I give my comments only when I just want to express my point of view. I am not going to teach anyone, this is not a meeting of the Politburo or classes on the UCP. The number of pluses and minuses and the status of shoulder straps under the avatar does not bother me much, I have my real shoulder straps in the title that I deserve and no more. A lot about Ukraine - this is because it touched and pained the entire Russian world. Not much about Estonia, and even less about Bangladesh. A normal site, a normal forum, rudeness, of course, sometimes slips through from someone, but what we want, not everyone was brought up in Pushkin's face. Lyashko and Makarevich don't write on the forum (that's where the mate in the comments would be) and thanks for that. I don’t give "plus or minus" to the author either. He expressed his opinion, I am mine.
  11. RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 9 September 2014 09: 54
    +2
    Well: it's hard to disagree, the only thing that bothers is the time between the publication of this article and the first (so extensive) comment. Waited? repeat
    And, yes, more: Rybachy village in the fog-Melted!)
    1. Oleg Sobol
      9 September 2014 09: 56
      +2
      Quote: RUSOIVAN
      the only thing that confuses is the time between the publication of this article and the first (so extensive) comment. Waited?

      This article, Alexey saw yesterday.
      hi
    2. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 9 September 2014 09: 59
      +1
      Quote: RUSOIVAN
      Waited?

      Ivan, well noticed.
      wink

      The fact is that the basis of my koment is my CROSS from another article.
      Therefore, I typed quickly, just added a couple of phrases ...
      I can give a link.
      1. RUSOIVAN
        RUSOIVAN 9 September 2014 10: 02
        +2
        no, no thanks: I don’t "DO NOT BELIEVE". laughing
  12. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 September 2014 10: 00
    +13
    People are different on the forum and their number has increased significantly ... Of course, there are a lot of empty and slogan posts (I myself sometimes commit this sin ..)))) And yet this is primarily an information resource Read think think this is the main task of the site VO! And not every master can write competent analytical comments (here talent is still needed) There are a lot of thoughts, but it is not always possible to express them correctly, and not all of them, but oh, how they want to speak (and not for the pluses and titles). There is such a function on the site as "Blacklist! Just filter which users you think you need and you will be happy! Here" Porofessor "put me on the blacklist right away ... And I miss so much bully (he writes interesting comments, although I do not always agree with him) With respect to the author hi
    PS Personally, I calmly relate to all the comments without exception and I am very pleased that the number of forum users has increased dramatically ... Most still read, I think they argue and swear sometimes .. This is normal! And you can write in PM so that no one interferes with a dispute on some topic .. Here is something I wanted to express so much ..
    And about the quality of articles on the site, I like their variety and volume (men actually work around the clock looking for more or less true info from all this stream of shit that gurgles in the internet) Good luck to everyone and love Russia as it is and everything will be fine!
  13. MAXIMUS
    MAXIMUS 9 September 2014 10: 03
    +5
    I think that the level of discussion shown at a particular forum shows the level of education and tolerance for dissent in our entire society. For example, I will never put a minus (I don’t put any minuses) to a person for my own opinion, which is different from mine. Do we all want to be judges? Have you forgotten the commandment: "Do not judge - you will not be judged"? Indeed, this is the hidden message of peace to all parties in the dispute.
    Sincerely ...
  14. Kemerovchanin
    Kemerovchanin 9 September 2014 10: 04
    +6
    Oleg, in your questions, a certain annoyance is felt, these are not even questions, but exclamations. You know, I share your concern. I have been a reader of VO for a long time, this platform has always allowed people to plunge into the abyss of opinions, mostly meaningful, professional in general with a patriotic bias. Today everything has changed somewhat, the civil war has stirred up society, everything has come out, people find it difficult to think, we often do not think, but only feel, the brightest aspirations are interspersed with blinkered hatred, falling from one extreme to another. For example, I was personally forced to register by the comment of the well-respected Comrad, in which he uploads a photo of the "zigging" DPNI representatives with a comment about the bestial Ruin. I'm sure this is a misunderstanding, but there are too many such blunders in discussions and published opinions. We should be more attentive, thoughtful, arguing, not to be in the end philistines and adhere to the truth.
  15. hrapon
    hrapon 9 September 2014 10: 11
    +4
    Yes, the author is unfortunately right. Movement towards the baseboard is felt.

    There is no other way than setting a "strict filter" by moderators.

    Fathers-commanders used to say: "Listen to your elders, they have drunk more ... and they know." Joke. Previously, in real life, “young talents” in order to declare something and attract the attention of their elders had to say something meaningful, and for this they had to learn, learn new things and work on themselves. Now - "lower back" sat on "keyboard" and the comment is ready.
    It would not hurt that the young growth at least something (except for its own comments) began to read.
    1. USSR 1971
      USSR 1971 9 September 2014 10: 13
      +6
      Only those who want it themselves move towards the baseboard.
      1. hrapon
        hrapon 9 September 2014 10: 14
        +5
        I absolutely agree with that.
  16. common man
    common man 9 September 2014 10: 14
    +4
    You read the article, interesting. I would like to know the opinion of other people on this topic. And there are 300 comments. And 270 of them are empty, not bearing a semantic load. Any mood to read disappears, you move on to another topic. Let's think, maybe you can fix it somehow.
  17. bairat
    bairat 9 September 2014 10: 16
    +10
    Hello. I will also speak out. Topvar used to be the number one news site for me, but with the beginning of the Ukrainian events, I stopped receiving relevant information here. Not only have the comments become monotonous and uninteresting, the articles themselves often carry no information. Someone considered it necessary to testify to his indignation with the current political situation, wrote an article, supported him in the comments, all the generals answered each other, but there is nothing to read. Therefore, nowadays I read "military archive" and "armament", "news" I just skim - everything is clear there from the headings.
  18. hrapon
    hrapon 9 September 2014 10: 22
    +4
    The main criterion for the "filter" is reasoned position.

    Not everything that comes to mind and is ready to break the tongue should be made public. Only that which deserves the attention of other people.

    If you want to express your approval, but really can't say anything - put a "plus" and vice versa.

    Dear Moderators, this is "calling" to you.
  19. Aldo
    Aldo 9 September 2014 10: 25
    +3
    many comments with attacks on history, on a national basis. There are also many frankly chauvinistic and nationalistic statements.
  20. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 9 September 2014 10: 30
    +2
    An article about sore.
    He attempted to write something similar himself, but it was not given.
    Stimulation by the assignment of ranks, this is motivation only for verbiage
    Now, if IQ was deduced by the author for each comment, perhaps they would begin to think about what they write.
  21. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 9 September 2014 10: 31
    +8
    I absolutely agree with the author, Unfortunately, our beloved "VO" diligently descends to the level of low-quality sites ala're coming out-Censor. Previously, interesting people came to the site, with whom it was interesting to argue, the same Ukrainians Kars, Akim. and not just to argue, but to learn something new, interesting ... I remember Kars and I argued about 50-70 comments per topic, until the late Apollo (Heavenly Kingdom to him), like that forester in the corners, dispersed us. And now we have: "All for and all standing ...", try, write something against the "party line", they will immediately peck and minus. First, the "Ukrainian group" left the site: the same Kars, appears rarely, only in topics about tanks, the same Coralli. Well, then what kind of "Israelis" will they take. I argued with Oleg (professor) more than once, but we always knew when to stop, gave evidence to our words, never insulted each other, did not minus, let the readers decide ... There are very few analysts, the newly arrived comrades prefer to move a short post, especially in the topic about Ukraine, preferably at the beginning. something like "All dill are bad" or "Dill are all bad" or "Dill are all bad" and get a bunch of pluses or what they call "likes". Of course, I'm not sorry for the pluses, but before they were given for thematic, competent, thoughtful posts, again you remember our bison-"marshals" ... It's a pity, of course, that "VO" loses the charm and charm that was before.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 9 September 2014 10: 51
      +2
      There are very few analytics


      I absolutely agree .... I love articles analyzing facts very much and preferably by professional people.
      Here is my suggestion .... insert one-day articles less.
      Engage experts in their field to write articles.
      For example, I’m very interested in the opinions of experts on the US missile defense problem at our borders, it’s very interesting to know the opinion of a specialist on the state of affairs with the Small and Medium-Range Missile Treaty.
      In our defense industry, there are a lot of interesting things ... ABOUT THIS IT IS NECESSARY TO WRITE AND PUT ON IN.

      Unfortunately a lot of empty information ... my attic is clogging up preventing me from correctly assessing the situation.

      I was probably too harsh to the author of the article .... try not to do stupid things
      Sorry OLEG.
      1. Oleg Sobol
        9 September 2014 11: 49
        +2
        Quote: The same Lech
        I was probably too harsh to the author of the article .... try not to do stupid things
        Sorry OLEG.

        Welcome accepted drinks
  22. Ordinary stock
    Ordinary stock 9 September 2014 10: 38
    +3
    Timely article. It is clear that the pros and cons is a game. But thinking people are still unpleasant to receive a bunch of minuses, and they just keep their dissenting opinion to themselves. As a result, society becomes intellectually poorer. The task of the military unit is exactly the opposite - to increase the intellectual "ammunition" of the country.
  23. viktorrymar
    viktorrymar 9 September 2014 10: 39
    +5
    Do you think it is necessary to add a separate column for the opinions of members of the forum who post their articles and separate it separately from the column “Opinions”, where third-party opinions of other people are taken from third-party sites, on behalf of the editorial board or on behalf of a forumchan?


    In my opinion, the opinion section should be divided into two parts: 1, the opinion of forum users - a personally prepared article, and repost - if the forum member found interesting information and wants to convey it to VO readers.
    1. AndreyS
      AndreyS 9 September 2014 12: 29
      +1
      Quote: viktorrymar
      The opinion section should be divided into two parts: 1, the opinion of forum users - a personally prepared article, and repost - if a forum member found interesting information and wants to convey it to readers of VO.

      Very efficient offer! I believe that the VO team should consider this question !!!!!!
  24. FACKtoREAL
    FACKtoREAL 9 September 2014 10: 41
    +5
    "Better less is more", "How can we reorganize RABKRIN" VI Lenin
    1.New review - incredibly cluttered with info-garbage that can be read on all tapes ..
    2. The quality of the published material is often so superficial that it allows "every housewife" and pionEru, without a twinge of conscience, to act as IKSpertOFF ...
    3. Let us recall the situation known to all from history when K.K. Rokossovsky proposed to Stalin the plan of Operation Bagration ...
    -"Wee, comrade Rokossovsky feeds on pulling us into the swamp .. Come out and think carefully about your plan!" (I. Stalin)
    Imagine that after THIS everything (including stenographers and security guards of the Bet wassat ) "minus" Rokossovsky ..
    After that, the chief of security Vlasik would cut off shoulder straps from him according to the "ball weight" of the opponent's "minuses" ...
    With what feeling (and a wonderful plan "Bagration") would have left Headquarters Konstantin Konstantinovich in uniform ... COLONEL or MAJOR? laughing

    MY SUGGESTION "minus" should not bear the "severity of the title" but, be a "detached" statistical unit ... that is, it is necessary to introduce the principle of "NOT PROMOTION" instead of "punishment". hi
    well, with "assignment of the next military rank" lol at least ONE admin's "collection" should be "automatically" removed! good
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 9 September 2014 11: 20
      +2
      It is impossible without cons. Otherwise, "trolls" will not get rid of any poison. And about the "penalties", you can set a time limit, if within a certain time "the behavior is approximate" - the first to shootlaughing
      1. bairat
        bairat 9 September 2014 13: 48
        +2
        Minus and plus should not be anonymous, people here are mature enough to be afraid to defend their point of view. This anonymity only provokes yesterday's schoolchildren-generals to herd races according to the comments, and is very harmful to the atmosphere of the military brotherhood that should be present here.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 9 September 2014 13: 52
          +1
          oooooh .... fighting fraternity here is an interesting topic
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 9 September 2014 14: 09
            +1
            Quote: Gleb
            oooooh .... fighting fraternity here is an interesting topic


            only the "gang of marshals" were recalled. By the way, Byrat must remember these showdowns.

            although I understand that he meant something else.
  25. doctor
    doctor 9 September 2014 10: 47
    +4
    I think that Topvar should publish news not only from Ukraine, but also from other countries. We need to pay more attention to news from the usa. Not everything is smooth with mattress covers. And any mess in the United States will bring pleasure to the participants in the discussions. Not everyone here is an analyst. A lot of stuff. But we are united by love for RUSSIA. You have to be tolerant.
    1. Altona
      Altona 9 September 2014 11: 03
      +2
      Quote: Doctor
      We need to pay more attention to news from the usa.

      ----------------------------
      Not only news, but also the opinion of the people there, because there are many more people who disagree with the actions of the West than we think. I started commenting a little on Facebook with my obnoxious English and immediately began to receive "likes" for comments from completely different people from the Netherlands, USA, Sweden, Denmark and Arab countries. People are very much interested in modern Russia and sincerely sympathize with it, there is a lot of sympathy from the personality of our president and approval of his actions in the international arena. People are also perplexed by the support of the Nazi regime in Ukraine and the lack of investigations into the crimes of the junta in Odessa, Mariupol, the bombing of the population in Donbas and the fall of the Malaysian "Boeing" ...
  26. Owl27
    Owl27 9 September 2014 10: 47
    +11
    I came to VO after my husband, he didn’t even know that I was registered. For me, the first forum where I wanted to communicate. When I was just a reader, I was attracted by the atmosphere on the forum: respect for the opponent, lack of rudeness, obscenities, interesting comments. In recent years, VO has greatly expanded its scope, we write about everything that excites society, the army and the military, the best part of it, therefore the opinion of competent, wise people is interesting in all areas of life. The grains will separate from the chaff themselves, especially the forum users who have become overbearing are giving a hard rebuff, (and minuses including), sometimes I do not want to go down commenting on their diarrhea. I wish you all the best!

    My husband has 27 calendars, but I was always there.
    1. hrapon
      hrapon 9 September 2014 19: 02
      +1
      My husband has 27 calendars, but I was always there. [/ Quote]

      I bow low and take off my hat. More precisely the opposite.
  27. Altona
    Altona 9 September 2014 10: 52
    +1
    Partly I agree with the author, because there are a lot of journalistic articles that do not offer or suggest any serious analysts, therefore the quality of comments is appropriate. The people on the forum of this resource are not indifferent, in the heat of the moment they begin to express themselves with slogans, from an excess of temperament, so to speak. How to filter "dummy" and improve the moderation mechanism, and whether it is necessary at all, I do not know ...
  28. siberalt
    siberalt 9 September 2014 10: 57
    +5
    I agree with the author that the comment should carry some idea on the topic under discussion, and not "a bunch of water". There are practically no discussion threads. Total elementary illiteracy is striking, but ambitions are over the edge. Not many sites have the ability to "edit". I consider this opportunity to be the greatest advantage at VO. Do not "catch up" at school in Russian, then study on the forum, use Internet dictionaries. I also support the author in the fact that a forum that respects itself reflects the culture of discussion of its participants. There is no discussion - there is no forum, but only a kind of verbal skirmish, which gives nothing to the mind of the husk of excited emotions.
    Another great feature of the site is the ability to insert images and videos. But this should not be abused either. Sometimes, to heartburn, you get bored with the same izovbrosy on the case and without.
    There is an offer to the site admins. Do not publish slogans in the first post. The first post should be a reasoning (commentary) on the topic of the author's article. Because the "first slogan" completely leads away from thinking and pulls along a branch, as it were, supporting it. From that and "zero" discussions at the beginning.
  29. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 9 September 2014 10: 58
    +3
    I read the article! I liked it partially.
    The author has a question - where are the comments that make sense, discussions, analysis, etc.?
    The answer is one. What articles publish such and komenty.
    Recently, articles about Ukraine have mainly been sent to HE, there are many of them, often they are monotonous, and there is little information. From here, a person does not receive proper information, begins to blunt in comments.
    You author look at the line of articles over the past three to four days. Real, good, controversial articles are few. One Ukraine, and then repeating itself. If I honestly then I read little articles about Ukraine., Not that monotonous Comments.
    Very few articles about weapons, about the world order, etc.
    1. Oleg Sobol
      9 September 2014 11: 29
      +2
      Valery hi
      Quote: Baron Wrangel
      What articles publish such and komenty.

      I posed a question, maybe it makes sense to put out Opinions for articles of members of the forum, which is more interesting in terms of communication and indeed discussion, and opinions of third-party articles.
      How do you think?
      1. Baron Wrangell
        Baron Wrangell 9 September 2014 13: 27
        +3
        Quote: Oleg Sobol
        I posed a question, maybe it makes sense to put out Opinions for articles of members of the forum, which is more interesting in terms of communication and indeed discussion, and opinions of third-party articles.
        How do you think?

        Thanks Oleg for answering!
        My personal opinion is that moderators need to be able to distinguish grains from garbage. (that there is garbage in my understanding, firstly, everything that is prohibited by the rules of the site, and secondly, this is any useless information, idlers and messages of a non-specific nature, that is, not related to the article.
        and also personal, I would indicate automatically to whom I am answering (as on others, "Baron Wrangel answers Oleg Sobol"
        and then some very smart, in order to get a like, cling to the "Reply", and not in response but just like that, if only higher and good. punish such vague people with a ban for a day or a week. Those. if you answer, then you answer a specific person, with a specific proposal, continuation of the dispute.
        And then sometimes you start reading the comments and the word, well, not understand the meaning of the dispute. You read a dispute between two or three people, and then the upstart "Answer" and glory to Russia !, why and what for !?
        1. Oleg Sobol
          9 September 2014 13: 43
          +1
          Quote: Baron Wrangell
          I would indicate automatically to whom I am answering (as to others, "Baron Wrangel answers Oleg Sobol"

          I support, Valera. It really simplifies and visually creates the thread of a conversation with the interlocutor, and for the rest it is more understandable. yes
    2. family tree
      family tree 9 September 2014 11: 43
      +4
      Quote: Baron Wrangel
      Recently, articles about Ukraine have mainly been sent to HE, there are a lot of them, they are often monotonous, and there is little information.

      Add a gag. Even in articles that have nothing to do with Ukraine, sometimes even at the very beginning, information about events in Ukraine jumps out and that’s it, the topic went aside, everyone rushed to discuss this news.
      Accordingly, I propose that the moderators monitor at least the beginning of discussions and remove such posts from the topic without any explanation, as well as the requirements of these explanations that appear later.
      And yet, since you can't get away from politics, and in it, as in medicine, everything is "cut", you can add the section "politics", or temporarily "Ukraine", until everything is settled there. what
  30. 3vs
    3vs 9 September 2014 11: 03
    +2
    I think the Opinion section should be left for forum users and other interesting articles.

    I would like an Analytics column with really serious analytics in the political,
    economically, militarily from truly respected professionals.

    The resource, it seems, has recently become quite visited, as evidenced by
    Some crashes when displaying pages from a lack of resources to the server.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 9 September 2014 11: 07
      +2
      I agree. Not enough serious analytics.
  31. Fuzeler
    Fuzeler 9 September 2014 11: 05
    +2
    I completely agree with the author of the article. I’ve been here since the spring of 2013, and got here for one reason: in Yandex I was looking for information on sonar stations and noise problems of Soviet submarines. I went directly to the article. I liked it, looked further, about other types of weapons: it is also very competently stated - it is pleasant and interesting to read.

    However, since December 2013, something unimaginable began to happen here: the front page is all in Ukraine !! I don't understand, is there anything else to write about? And in the comments to the articles I can only see continuous "ukrovoyaki", "ukrofashisty", "ukronatsiki". Sometimes it even seems that the composition of the authors of articles on "VO" has significantly rejuvenated (I am not talking about the authors of the comments at all). There are a lot of shapkozakidatelskikh articles, cold calculation and logical analysis are slowly leaving this site.

    I would ask the moderators to think carefully about everything that Oleg Sobol stated.
  32. Balbes_I
    Balbes_I 9 September 2014 11: 05
    +3
    There’s no way to get away from politics, it’s a shame that almost all topics are slipping into the perspective of problems in Ukraine. Reprinting all the news in a row on this topic has become a reality. A constant repost of comments - depresses the desire to read - in the end, just browsing, as personal time is not dimensionless.

    Sentence:

    1. Move Ukraine to a separate branch.
    2. To think over and implement a mechanism for avoiding off-topic comments, or rather comments on the topic of Ukraine on a non-Ukrainian forum thread.
  33. -Dmitry-
    -Dmitry- 9 September 2014 11: 07
    +1
    Plusanul.
    My IMHO, the rubric of Opinion should be strictly moderated - remember May, June 2014. On the day, almost 2-3 articles on how Putin put out. And that the most striking majority supported such articles, dissent was immediately suppressed by a flood of anger and minuses.
    Now that the situation has changed, stuffing has gone on other topics, for example, yesterday about paratroopers. This is me to the fact that you still need to introduce some moderation of articles.
  34. skeptic2999
    skeptic2999 9 September 2014 11: 24
    +2
    As a historian and political scientist, the site is still interesting to me to this day: it is quite informative in the articles posted and in the comments; makes it possible to sense changes in individual and social political psychology; I learn a lot of new things from my favorite subject - military history. For the latter, I came to the site.
  35. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 9 September 2014 11: 46
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Well, yes, you think the traitors wrote down the fighters, what’s wrong with that. The picture should be beautiful on TV and they should have died heroically on camera. I haven’t read such insanity for a long time.
    This is where the "trap" for the Urya-patriots lies: firstly, even if our people accidentally "wandered" into the territory of Ukraine, this does not mean that we must fight to the last bullet, etc., etc., all the more we we are not at war with Ukraine; secondly, human life is dearer than anything in the world and must be given for the Motherland; and Thirdly, there is no reason or reason to call these guys traitors (and for such confusion they are worthy of disciplinary punishment and additional lessons in orientation on the terrain, i.e. military topography)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 September 2014 12: 03
      +2
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      And thirdly, there’s no reason to call these guys traitors,

      Hmm, here's an article, read the comments. I wrote about the same thing as you and got a hundred minuses for the comments. For warrior people, this is a beautiful picture on the TV and must be victorious. We are Russians all the same ..... current here are the brains of many, like dill. Here is the link http://topwar.ru/57618-delay-chto-dolzhno-i-bud-chto-budet.html#comment-id-33190
      90
  36. Nikolav
    Nikolav 9 September 2014 11: 46
    +2
    I agree with skeptik2999. I see nothing wrong with the fact that people express their point of view in an increased number. But there is a great opportunity to monitor public opinion in real time. The degree of error is reduced. I think that "those who are supposed to" will not miss this opportunity.
    There is also a great opportunity (sorry, I will call things by their proper names) to manipulate this very public opinion, which I, and more than once, have witnessed.
  37. dmb
    dmb 9 September 2014 11: 47
    +3
    Dear Sable, you are absolutely right, and therefore, answering your questions, I will start with the latter. When the best part of your life is given to the army, you involuntarily look for like-minded people on the military website. However, we are not going to sing praises to each other, but to try to find the truth in a discussion. Yes, it’s unpleasant when the discussion boils down to the exclamations of Panikovsky: "Who are you," but this is the level of education of some members of the forum instead of articles and comments that begin to discuss the personality of the opponent. It is for this reason that I personally stay on the site and regret it when literate people leave. We write a lot about the decline in the level of education and upbringing. It is on such platforms that we have a chance, not only to convey our position. and also help people, start thinking for themselves. The screamers-urapatriots you mentioned are unlikely to do it for us. And the fact that we, even with loved ones, do not agree is not scary, that's what the forum is for.
  38. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 9 September 2014 11: 51
    +1
    The article seems to me correct and informative! A little more common sense, sober analysis and less "shapkozakidatelstva", and even more insults to opponents are unacceptable! Of course, you need to debunk the provocateurs with facts (you can do it with a snide), but only for business and specifically! But in general, our VO is a good "thing"!
  39. andrey56
    andrey56 9 September 2014 11: 57
    +3
    I agree with the separation of the "Opinions" column and it will be the most visited. But only. The events in Donbass are the most significant today. Nobody will dispute this, and, I believe, the author of the article. Therefore, I consider statements and comments on this direction of coverage of events and facts to be the main ones today. Especially for Russia and the Russian world. Military subtleties are read not only by the Russian side, but also by ill-wishers and even enemies, in order to know more. Thus, VO is a mouthpiece, not a backstage closed club. Visitors to the site and authors of articles should remember this and not write too much. The analytics are deep, the interest in the site is high. As for reason under the conditions of an information war, it must be said that it is clouded both on one and the other side of the conflict. It is necessary for the authors of the articles to dispel this fog, to give a truthful assessment, a comprehensive assessment, but it is extremely difficult. It is normal and humanistic to wish victory for the anti-fascist forces. It is a crime to praise cannibals and vilify your homeland.
  40. Petrix
    Petrix 9 September 2014 11: 58
    +1
    As I met VO, I read it almost every day. Comments are half of the information, if not more. The quality of the comments, of course, is different, there is a lot of water and slogans. But it is surprising that many advantages are put on slogans. I rarely press "+/-" myself.
    You have to navigate, firstly, by the vending forum users, whose comments are rarely meaningless, and secondly, by "+/-", when others have already done some work on filtering.
    And I’m not in a hurry to comment, although there is a mood. But more often I rewrite a lot or decide not to comment at all if the thought cannot be expressed.
  41. SASA798
    SASA798 9 September 2014 12: 05
    +1
    It was interesting to read the comments. The defining word was "was". In the last few days, just having a glimpse of what the "thoughts" about what I have read begin with, I turn away and move on to the next article. The emotionality of the statements will subside and everything will return to normal.
  42. pazuhinm
    pazuhinm 9 September 2014 12: 13
    0
    I myself long ago stopped writing comments ... so, occasionally ... and I rarely read them. Nothing to read.
  43. Bayun
    Bayun 9 September 2014 12: 21
    +2
    VO is a solid page. Perhaps the number of "blank" articles and comments is "growing pains"; drug option - preliminary moderation. But it can also be assumed that in the conditions of the information war, the site-fighter becomes a target for the enemy. So, littering, malicious stupidity and slogans of "superpatriotism" in the comments may be a consequence of the growing importance of the resource in establishing a reasonable military-patriotic component of the Russian World.
  44. FID
    FID 9 September 2014 12: 30
    +7
    Very, very good site! The author is right that there have been too many "uryapatriots". I just see it in my industry, in aviation ... They built an airplane - immediately "hurray", and you start to write that the UAC is not good, and in response there are a lot of statements. And after all, people write who have not gone further than Wikipedia. A lot of information from the network is given, but the fact that the Internet is a big trash heap and not everything from the Internet can be taken for granted is forgotten. The "old people" of the site understand this and for this they are all a great RESPECT !!!
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  46. pensioneree
    pensioneree 9 September 2014 12: 42
    0
    The article is interesting. I don’t agree with everything! Regarding Ukraine, Nadis’s brother came (from the Luhansk region, he served in the SA Special Forces of the GRU) when he asked the question, as you have: -Do not know, they say they shoot somewhere! I even drink I didn’t become with him. I asked my mother how he had changed like that? And MOM said, I don’t know!
    1. andrey56
      andrey56 9 September 2014 13: 37
      0
      Your brother is very secretive ...
  47. nik6006
    nik6006 9 September 2014 12: 49
    +3
    Good day to all!
    I am very glad that finally someone raised this issue - the quality of the forum, the quality of comments, and commentators.
    Now, in order to separate the grain from the chaff, the news and practical thoughts from empty idleness should be very tried, the articles began to be fined in meaning, analytics rarely comes out. The veterans of this combat forum, unfortunately, are less likely to come in, share their experience and educate young people. Alas. VO is not the only platform of course, but it has its own spirit of the Russian military and the opinion of a specialist, that's why I’ve been here for 3 of the year. I look through all the topics daily for how much time is enough, occasionally I write. I will not even compare with the Censor, there is just a frank Nazi rotten garbage.
    In general, the question is raised, the question is raised the right one, maybe already a little late. It is necessary to carry out a reform. For an extra star, people, it happens, simply blurts out a thread without thinking, and thus the forum suffers from incompetence. In my opinion, assigning ranks does not adequately correspond to the quality of commentators, on the other hand, to analyze comments and give a certain rating for it - it takes time, it takes resources, it is human work, can it freeze - assignment of ranks until the forum develops new rules? And then, we must take into account the pros and cons of the comments, this is the reaction of the forum to our thoughts. It would be necessary to derive some balanced rating assignment formula that takes into account the activity of the forum participant, the value of his comment, and the assessment of the comment by other forum participants — to calculate the pluses put to him or to take away part of the rating for the minuses.
    The ratings of forum veterans can be considered as multiplied by 2. Can these suggestions affect the information content of the forum, the quality of the comment, let the administration think. Well, somehow stimulate respected veterans, so that they often visited, shared their opinions, and when necessary, brought up.
    I myself try not to litter the topic with empty verbiage, I read more. Well then, good luck to everyone soldier
    1. FID
      FID 9 September 2014 13: 07
      +3
      Very often there is not enough time to visit the forum more often. Specialists work, travel on business, and not all the time you are near a computer. But I am always happy to share knowledge with people who are really interested in (in my case) aviation ...
      1. nik6006
        nik6006 9 September 2014 19: 14
        +2
        But the direction on aviation topics should be strengthened, the respected VAF has not been observed for a long time, and I always read your posts with interest. Now all kinds of events on the PAKFA are taking place, the comments of competent specialists are very necessary, it would be clearer. According to Ukrainian events, the actions of attack aircraft and the air defense of the militias opposing it have not really been analyzed yet, and this is an important topic, both technically and even ethically. In general, there is a lot of work, info-war in action.
    2. Oleg Sobol
      9 September 2014 14: 22
      0
      Sergey, thank you for such a competent and extended answer, and most importantly for real offers hi
  48. Janislav
    Janislav 9 September 2014 13: 23
    0
    Prior to dock, I’m protected by copyright!
  49. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 9 September 2014 13: 49
    +2
    It would seem that this site was supposed to be the base for those who came recently. But, sadly, it became the basis of the frantic “Urapatriot” movement.
    On my own behalf, I would like to wish patience to the author of the article, VO is an open resource and people of all ages and different views can visit it and leave their comments. Remember the example from our recent past, when in the USSR they tried to create a society of one opinion and a single view, and what came of it? As popular wisdom says: You will not be forcibly sweet! We all need to learn to respect and understand the opinions of other people, even if we sometimes do not like this opinion. For this, there is a forum where you can discuss with your opponent, but as you know in disputes, not truth is born, but a compromise.
    And lastly, turning to everyone, I want to say: People learn to listen and understand each other, so that in our country, due to misunderstanding, the same misfortune would not happen as in Ukraine, where one part of the people did not want to listen to the other. hi
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