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APU used on T-64 and T-72 militia anti-tank "Ruta"

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The Ukrainian army is armed with anti-tank guns MT-12Р "Ruta", which she used in the fight against armored militia, reports Messenger of Mordovia with reference to the video channel Andrei Popov.

APU used on T-64 and T-72 militia anti-tank "Ruta"


Four of these guns were captured by militias in the area of ​​Georgievka.



On the website of the publication indicated: "This modification of the well-known 100 mm Rapira anti-tank gun is distinguished by the fact that, thanks to the radar, it can detect targets, according to some reports, at a distance of 3-5 km. Upon detection, the gunner may proceed to destroy tank the enemy at a distance of 2-2,5 km. Moreover, it could be done at night, in any weather conditions, despite the smoke or high dust ”.



The USSR was lagging behind in the creation of thermal imaging technology, and therefore developed similar systems. The lack of the device in its bulkiness and complexity of use.

This modified gun is a rarity in the Russian army, but the fact that it remained in the Ukrainian arsenals was an unpleasant surprise. Recently, the militia have lost several tanks, and it is possible that they were hit just from the MT-12Р.

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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 8 September 2014 18: 06
    +31
    The USSR was lagging behind in the creation of thermal imaging technology, and therefore developed similar systems. The lack of the device in its bulkiness and complexity of use.

    This modified gun is a rarity in the Russian army, but the fact that it remained in the Ukrainian arsenals was an unpleasant surprise. Recently, the militia have lost several tanks, and it is possible that they were hit just from the MT-12Р.
    omission in humanitarian aid ... hopefully correct.
    1. Stalevar
      Stalevar 8 September 2014 18: 09
      +47
      They know how to do it. MT-12Р was adopted in the sixties, but is still relevant! It’s only a pity that this weapon falls into the hands of the Nazis am
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 September 2014 18: 16
        +4
        It’s a pity that modern MBTs can only be scratched with this wonderful weapon.
        1. Stalevar
          Stalevar 8 September 2014 18: 25
          +14
          Quote: Spade
          It’s a pity that modern MBTs can only be scratched with this wonderful weapon.
          When firing ATGM 9K116 "Kustet" armor penetration reaches 550-600 mm of armor with reactive armor. Quite presentable wink
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 8 September 2014 18: 33
            +9
            Against the background of the "Cornet" which is already breaking through 1300 for the remote control? And MT-12R do not know how to use guided weapons, only "crowbars" and cumulative ones.
            1. Stalevar
              Stalevar 8 September 2014 18: 47
              +6
              Quote: Spade
              And MT-12R do not know how to use guided weapons, only "crowbars" and cumulative ones.
              A ZUBK-10-1 shot with an 9M117 missile, a semi-automatic laser beam guidance, was put into service in the 1984 year. If there is other information - I will be very grateful!
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 8 September 2014 18: 51
                +11
                I know. Only for its application it is necessary to see the goal in order to guide 9Sh135.
                1. Stalevar
                  Stalevar 8 September 2014 18: 54
                  +7
                  Quote: Spade
                  Only for its application it is necessary to see the goal, so that 9ш135 direct.
                  Thank you for the information, dear colleague, took note.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 8 September 2014 19: 15
                    +25
                    Most likely, this MT-12P was used as well as all the others. As used in the RF Armed Forces during the First and Second Wars. Like a big sniper rifle.

                    I remember the deputy. the head of the school for educational and scientific work, in order to show us the importance of aligning the sighting, he made it himself on the MT-12 (these were the first firing, direct fire), and then knocked down at a distance of 1 km. with a penny "practice" a bottle with a hemp.
                    1. Anatole Klim
                      Anatole Klim 8 September 2014 19: 49
                      +13
                      Quote: Spade
                      knocked down at a distance of 1 km. with a penny "practice" a bottle with a hemp.

                      At the Totsky training ground, the cadet knocked down targets, one shot remained, the birch stood 120 mm in diameter, the birch fell, the platoon jumped up, shouted a little, then praised the summing up, oh, it was a good time.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 8 September 2014 21: 01
                        +15
                        Yes, good ... I remember at dusk they put night telescopes on the MT-12, the battalion commander sent the platoon commander into the field by car. There he got up and lit a cigarette. In full view. Everyone looked, and the battalion commander "that's why, comrades, cadets, you can't smoke at the post .." Clearly.
        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev 8 September 2014 19: 15
          +13
          Quote: Spade
          modern MBTs with this wonderful weapon can only be scratched.

          Not sure of the correctness of this conclusion ... No.
          Claims that, for a modern tank, they say an outdated BPS is like a crumbling elephant, and if you hit an o / f shell, then, in general, like a mosquito bite in my personal opinion does not correspond to reality.
          Yes, the efficiency is not sufficient, but it all depends on where the projectile hits and the distance to the target.
          Even if the armor is not broken, there may be problems with equipment and crew.
          During the fighting in the Donbass, there were allegations of serious damage to the T-64 from the NSV and PTR machine guns during WWII.
          I saw the hit of a practical shell from the D-81 in the stern of the T-64, in the area of ​​the BKP crankcase with about 200-250 m
          The weld seam burst, the engine tore off the support, serious repairs were required.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 8 September 2014 19: 19
            +3
            I do not think that in this area one can count on such accidents.
            1. alex86
              alex86 8 September 2014 21: 00
              +4
              Quote: Spade
              You can count on such accidents.

              But "pardon" the dilettante, I have already asked, and I have already "received", and still I will ask: modern MBTs ("Abrams", "Leopard-2") have a rather large lure near the tower from the frontal projection. hull sheet, so (for Leopard) the projectile ricochets into the lower bevel of the lure into the turret shoulder strap (if you don't like the terminology, correct it, but the essence is clear) Question: if this is an OFS, what will happen to the tower when in a sufficiently limited space between the lower bevel of the lure and the top armor plate explodes a shell? It is clear that Abrams has a tower of 29 tons, but will it really fail? ("And if an elephant climbs on a whale, who picks whom?" Lev Kassil, "Conduit and Schwambrania")
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 8 September 2014 22: 18
                0
                Maybe it’ll frustrate. Only there still need to get
                1. alex86
                  alex86 8 September 2014 22: 37
                  0
                  Then, in an amateurish way, I will continue: so, firstly, it is generally necessary to "get into it" (in the tank), and secondly, I mean that if there is nothing decent "in the assortment" (in the BC) (in the sense , with high armor penetration), so it is necessary to switch to the OFS with the installation of a fuse on the OF - half a meter after the ricochet flew by and it's time ... Don't judge strictly, I'm more and more on BM-14, BM-24 and BM-21 within the military department and then 30 years ago ...
                  1. oenaraevskija
                    oenaraevskija 8 September 2014 22: 57
                    +2
                    If the tank goes at a speed of 35-45 km / h, yes, even a "snake" ?? !! try to hit me from 1500 m with an unstabilized cannon. And after detecting fire on me from 2500 - a penny on the move.
                    1. ermolai
                      ermolai 9 September 2014 05: 08
                      +2
                      and what is not observed at the tank biathlon
                      Quote: oenaraevskija
                      And after detecting fire, I’ve been attacking me since 2500 - I can take a penny from the move.
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 8 September 2014 23: 07
                    +2
                    I do not think that when shooting direct fire it makes sense to try to shoot at ricochets. It is painfully difficult in this case to get a gap over the target.

                    It’s easier to break an HE shell on an armored object itself. With a high degree of probability, after this he will be withdrawn from the battle for some time.
                    1. alex86
                      alex86 9 September 2014 20: 45
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      shoot at ricochets.

                      Please, do not you understand: I meant a ricochet from the upper armor plate, i.e. when the fuse is installed on the HE, the triggering will be no further than half a meter after the ricochet, i.e. just in a lure under the tower. I understand some of the conventionality of the picture, but firstly, I cannot quite agree with the above version about the impossibility of getting into a moving tank (if it moves like a snake, it will substitute the side), and the phrase about "unstabilized weapon" (let oenaraevskija forgive me) is incorrect - the gun is stationary and optimal for firing, secondly - there are problems with barrel artillery with ammunition to destroy serious armored vehicles - so I come up with all kinds of things ... Maybe some of the tankers will remember the precedent for the explosion of 122 mm on armor - what are the consequences inside?
                      1. Cynic
                        Cynic 9 September 2014 21: 09
                        0


                        Quote: alex86
                        in the zaman under the tower.

                        You might think the lures were only on modern machines!
                        Well, we won’t remember the thirty-four, like the T-44, but the T-54?
                        It clearly shows how step by step the lures disappeared.
                      2. alex86
                        alex86 9 September 2014 21: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Cynic
                        the lures disappeared.

                        I mean Abrams and Leopard-2: it has been repeatedly noted that on the frontal projection under the tower there is a very "tempting" place ...
                      3. Cynic
                        Cynic 10 September 2014 10: 17
                        0
                        Quote: alex86
                        I'm talking about Abrams and Leopard 2

                        What else?
                        Quote: alex86
                        on the frontal projection under the tower is a very "tempting" place ...

                        These places will say their word only with a large number of artillery hits in the car, which in life is not remembered.
                        So western design thinking while resting on his laurels.
                        All the shortcomings shown by simple firearms (for example, the notorious cunning placement of the APU at Abrams) were corrected.
                        hi
                  3. Alekseev
                    Alekseev 9 September 2014 18: 41
                    0
                    Quote: alex86
                    I will continue in an amateurish way: first of all, you have to "still get into" it (into the tank)

                    Not at all amateurish you continue smile
                    The main idea is very robust and professional: the tank is not at all designed to 100% repel enemy shells and ATGMs, every hit for it (the tank) is an extremely unpleasant incident, powerful and perfect modern armor can help and helps, but it is not a panacea.
                    All tactics of using tanks require making sure that they get into them as little as possible.
                    No wonder here it has already been noted that the most effective protection of the BTT is ... howitzer (and MLRS with strike aircraft) yes
      2. loft79
        loft79 8 September 2014 18: 43
        +12
        Quote: Stalevar
        MT-12R was adopted in the sixties


        Well, why do you lie to say the least laughing MT-12P is a modification of MT-12 Rapiers, adopted in 1981. It is just different radar complex.
        1. Stalevar
          Stalevar 8 September 2014 18: 51
          +7
          Quote: loft79
          Well, why do you put it mildly laughing laughing MT-12P is a modification of MT-12 Rapiers, adopted in 1981. It just differs radar complex.
          I wrote about the MT-12 "Rapier" without a radar. I am sorry for the inaccuracy in the comments!
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 8 September 2014 19: 45
        +7
        Quote: Stalevar
        They know how to do it. MT-12Р was adopted in the sixties, but is still relevant! It’s only a pity that this weapon falls into the hands of the Nazis am


        It is good that the hands of the Nazis usually grow from the place where the back ends and the legs begin ...
      4. Accent
        Accent 8 September 2014 20: 07
        +4
        Gifts of the Soviet Union ... It is a pity, of course, that these gifts are used by the Nazis to achieve such terrible goals.
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 8 September 2014 18: 14
      +2
      We will respond with targeted fire from the RUT militias at Ukrainian tanks. Tremble the fascists.
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      1. Neighbor
        Neighbor 8 September 2014 19: 28
        +2
        So far, "Ruta" and ammunition are only at Ukrov. God grant that there are no specialists.
    4. 77bob1973
      77bob1973 8 September 2014 18: 15
      +11
      I watched this gun with "Ruta" eight years ago when loading onto platforms during the reorganization of the artillery brigade in Lomonosov!
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 8 September 2014 18: 18
      +8
      apparently from the same photo ...
    6. vtnsk
      vtnsk 8 September 2014 18: 19
      +7
      They will send some "Cornets" to help "Metis" and "Fagot" ... laughing
    7. Angro Magno
      Angro Magno 8 September 2014 19: 29
      +3
      In Voentorg it is necessary to order such.
  2. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 8 September 2014 18: 07
    +8
    They wedge a wedge with a wedge. Now fear the Ukrotanks too ..
    1. surovts.valery
      surovts.valery 8 September 2014 18: 21
      +12
      Somewhat off topic. We noticed that from the heap of weapons, neither as part of ukrovoinstva, nor as part of the militia, "Shilki" did not appear anywhere. It was infa that the Ukrainians armed the Terbats with them. The question is where? My speculations on this topic: 1). In service with MSD, TD and other SA units for 1991, were there no Shiloks deployed in Ukraine? Then there should be an adequate replacement - "Tunguska", but they arrived later. 2). If you were. Have you sold everything? Or they were in such deep conservation that they have only now been excavated. Or "friends" returned back? But this machine is a very useful and active thing.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 8 September 2014 18: 27
        +22
        at the landfill, the brick house was cut into 2 parts with a pinch into XNUMX parts. At that moment, I realized that air defense is not the main direction of this pepelats.

        And the sounds of gunshots at machine guns ... this is music) It is a pity that military air defense is very weakly protected. Yes, and glows on radars very brightly

        and BC ends in a few minutes and it is very dangerous located. The one on Tunguska is a shahid’s belt around the tower. Yes, and no armor. But if everything is done according to the canons - a very worthy argument at a distance of 2,5 km. Undress any equipment with any degree of protection. Cheap and cheerful. Infantry in general is better not to get caught on the way in line


        1. surovts.valery
          surovts.valery 8 September 2014 18: 50
          +2
          Yes, I saw them live too. We (in the Pacific Fleet MP) they ran and fired back in the early 2000s. A lot of things can break down there, but rot, from "long-term storage", for example, barrel cooling hoses. Maybe that's why the Ukrainians didn't use them.
        2. max702
          max702 8 September 2014 19: 45
          +2
          There was infa that in Afghanistan they threw out other equipment and increased the radar into two ammunition and used it very successfully .. Complaints were about an almost complete lack of armor .. That would be put in a tank tower than not BMPT ..
        3. qQQQ
          qQQQ 8 September 2014 22: 57
          +1
          He served on "Shilka", about the cut house, this is where such tales are told. "Shilka" is very fast-firing, but the shells already from 500 meters acquire a spherical appearance, so that a brick house can be destroyed, but not cut in any way. And at a distance of 2.5 km, the dispersion of shells will be decent, it's good if a few pieces hit. At a distance of 800 m, the target of 2 helicopters is 5 points, if out of 3 installations of 20 projectiles in one there will be 3 holes, and in the other at least 1. I can be wrong somewhere in the details, it was a long time ago, but not essential. In Afghanistan, they have established themselves as a means of working in mountainous terrain, if they did not fall, then mountain falls were possible + trunks were raised at a large angle.
        4. jagdpanzer
          jagdpanzer 9 September 2014 07: 18
          0
          the infantry probably evaporates lol
      2. Angro Magno
        Angro Magno 8 September 2014 19: 31
        +2
        However, subtly noticed. Really not one. Or maybe they’re not specifically sent to the front so that the Novorossiysk will not get it?
      3. Mayer1980
        Mayer1980 8 September 2014 19: 53
        +3
        Message from Igor Bezler:

        - Urgent information. 32 imported tanks entered Debaltseve, !!!!!!!!!!!! 15 Shilok !!!!!!!!!!!!!! entered the tank part of Artemevsk, 7 Tochka-U, 6 Gradov plus 1 Tornado, accompanied by 13 tanks also imported.

        They stand on the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk section, accompanied by 13 imported tanks.
      4. oenaraevskija
        oenaraevskija 8 September 2014 23: 01
        +1
        Against the tank (Shilka) - a terrible thing. Kill will not kill. And leave the blind and deaf. I saw them in business.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 8 September 2014 19: 16
      +2
      Quote: dchegrinec
      They wedge a wedge with a wedge. Now fear the Ukrotanks too ..

      A gun with such sighting equipment is very rare, the shelf life is also suitable for it, and most importantly, where did they get the gunner for this gun, it's not an optical sight?
      Despite the fact that all the time of the independence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffered from a lack of funds, I doubt that there were a dozen pros for such a technique, and the militia is unlikely to master this technique in a couple of days
      1. m262
        m262 8 September 2014 23: 05
        +1
        It is necessary to order a video lesson in GRAU on setting up and working with the scope
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  4. igor1981
    igor1981 8 September 2014 18: 10
    +13
    Well, it's time to send these "Routes" against the junta. And you are so amazed that dill does not have anything in the barns.
    1. vtnsk
      vtnsk 8 September 2014 18: 16
      +28
      Brains and conscience are definitely not there. Checked ... laughing
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 8 September 2014 19: 05
        +3
        Quote: vtnsk
        Brains and conscience are definitely not there. Checked ... laughing


        Well, where does the junta have such wealth !?
  5. queen
    queen 8 September 2014 18: 13
    +4
    As if there were no nuclear weapons.
    1. vtnsk
      vtnsk 8 September 2014 18: 22
      +7
      God knew about this, and in time deprived his ukrov. Monkeys (banderlogs) should not be given grenades ... laughing
  6. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 8 September 2014 18: 13
    +5
    While there is time, it is necessary to repair and master. Perhaps it will come in handy soon.
  7. kristofer
    kristofer 8 September 2014 18: 15
    +6
    if in the Russian army they are rare, then in their dill units. IMHO
  8. vtnsk
    vtnsk 8 September 2014 18: 15
    +5
    So now they are in service with the VSN. "UkroVoentorg" - forever !!! ... laughing
  9. MAXUZZZ
    MAXUZZZ 8 September 2014 18: 15
    +5
    I hope the trophy "rues" are efficient enough and will help the militia in the area of ​​the ukrovoysk cluster near Happiness when the "truce" is over, a pleasant surprise for the ukrotankists
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 8 September 2014 19: 04
      +2
      It’s unlikely that even the Ukropovskys were operational, not to mention the trophy ones. The radio equipment of the 80s is very unreliable. It itself was engaged in its repair.
  10. zlideny
    zlideny 8 September 2014 18: 17
    +3
    cool device.
  11. prishelec
    prishelec 8 September 2014 18: 18
    +5
    But what if the militia lost several tanks, then they should be destroyed with this artillery? because militiamen also destroyed ukrotanki and they didn’t have such artillery, ukrovoyaki can also unfortunately do what the militias do.
  12. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 8 September 2014 18: 20
    +7
    Of course it will come in handy, like this trophy 2S19 "Msta-S"

    and this

    and this 2C3 "Acacia"

    and this trophy 2C5 "Genocide"

    and this 2C1 "Carnation"
    1. fed2912
      fed2912 8 September 2014 18: 32
      +11
      and this trophy 2C5 "Genocide"
      Maybe Geocynth?
      1. igorkuzik
        igorkuzik 8 September 2014 18: 38
        +7
        Hyacinth - there is such a flower, you see. smile
        1. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 8 September 2014 18: 51
          +15
          Quote: fed2912
          and this trophy 2C5 "Genocide" Maybe "Geocynth"?

          Quote: igorkuzik
          Hyacinth - there is such a flower, you see.

          I know perfectly well that the 152-mm self-propelled gun 2S5 is called "Hyacinth", in honor of this beautiful flower. Nevertheless, in the troops, she has an unofficial nickname "Genocide", firstly because of the consonance with the official name, and secondly, she earned a similar nickname during the Afghan war, and fully confirmed during the Chechens, for the enormous destructive power of her shells, so 152-mm high-explosive fragmentation shells are guaranteed to destroy any enemy fortification.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 8 September 2014 18: 59
            +4
            That's right. "Hyacinth" became "Genocide" even under the USSR
      2. typhoon7
        typhoon7 8 September 2014 19: 10
        +6
        Genocide, this is a nickname, a projectile of increased power, this thing is destructive in strength equal to a projectile of a 240 mm gun. He also has closed characteristics, because of which he received his nickname. This is the most powerful and long-range gun in our country, many of its data are still closed. there is a photo true self-propelled guns.
        1. kind
          kind 8 September 2014 20: 02
          0
          many of her data are still closed.

          Which for example?!!
          1. typhoon7
            typhoon7 8 September 2014 20: 29
            0
            It is written, the data is closed. There are serious numbers, especially for special ammunition, everything that goes on the internet, rumors and it’s good, whoever should be, they know, so you should not be ironic.
            1. kind
              kind 8 September 2014 20: 57
              +3
              I'm not being ironic at all. The ballistics of nuclear power supplies was secret, that is, the weight of the special ammunition was secret. We in the USSR had many secrets that everyone knew, but pretended to be a secret. The 2C7 PION system was really secret, because was intended mainly for firing nuclear warheads, but these were the 60s, and then the rapid growth of missiles began and these systems lost their direct purpose.
        2. code54
          code54 9 September 2014 00: 08
          0
          Divov Oleg Igorevich (Science fiction writer) served not on such "Genocide"? I don't remember exactly, he had funny stories about the service ...
  13. Bronik
    Bronik 8 September 2014 18: 27
    +3
    Effective and scarce weapons Dill delivered the People’s Army. Now you need to train personnel to service.
    1. Makyr
      Makyr 8 September 2014 18: 32
      +4
      Not effective and not scarce. In the state of PTP, one RUTA relied on a division.
      What kind of staff to train, there the batteries have already turned into dust.
  14. Cynic
    Cynic 8 September 2014 18: 28
    +4
    This modified gun is a rarity in the Russian army, but the fact that it remained in the Ukrainian arsenals was an unpleasant surprise.

    We forget about the role of the former USSR, among the republics of the USSR, in the Warsaw Treaty.
    There is a Point at the dill, S-200, S-300.
    What is there to be surprised at?
  15. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 8 September 2014 18: 28
    +2
    Guns are certainly good if they are serviceable, not the fact that over 20 years of storage, something has been preserved in the electronic part.
    But Point U will be stronger:
    - 9H123F - high-explosive fragmentation warhead with 162,5 kg of explosive and 14500 ready fragments. In an explosion at an altitude of 20 meters, fragments hit objects in an area up to 3 ha;
    - 9H123K - cluster warhead. Contains 50 frag elements with 1,5 kg of explosive and 316 shrapnel in each. At a height of 2250 meters above the surface, the automatics opens the cassette, as a result of which up to seven hectares are sown with fragments;
    1. Manul
      Manul 8 September 2014 19: 33
      +3
      Quote: Pilat2009
      But Point U will be stronger:

      The Point has stricter storage and service conditions. And the shelf life is incompatible. How can rockets and artillery be compared at all ??? The howitzers are intended for a massive strike, and the Point (just like a pun sounds) for a point.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 8 September 2014 20: 04
        +2
        Quote: Manul
        for point.

        Well, yes, on 7 hectares-point
        1. Manul
          Manul 8 September 2014 20: 36
          0
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Well, yes, on 7 hectares-point

          Yes, and for the point that you need a shell in a howitzer, a couple of men, and a few seconds. During the battle, this is the most important characteristic. And the Point drove up, fired and ... into the bushes.
  16. Akvadra
    Akvadra 8 September 2014 18: 29
    +7
    Soon, the militias will be armed with the latest NATO weapons. Parashenko personally promised! )))
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 8 September 2014 22: 39
      0
      Parashenko personally promised! )))

      So, for sure: Nonsense!
  17. stasdolgov
    stasdolgov 8 September 2014 18: 30
    +7
    Quote: Novel 1977
    and this trophy 2C5 "Genocide"

    Did you mean "Hyacinth"? ;))))
    In the late 80s / early 90s, I served in an anti-tank artillery battalion in Germany. Two batteries were armed with Roots. Although "Ruta" is the same sight (at that time secret). Our guns also had a more cunning gadget - "Brass knuckles" is when a radio-controlled projectile was fired through the barrel, and the operator, sitting next to the gun, pointed it with the joystick.
    Both adaptations are worthless without training and experience. The target is not clearly visible on the display, but only the blackout from the "iron". Pointing is also not easy. So, you will have to prick with a rapier in the old fashioned way (if there are no specialists).
  18. biglow
    biglow 8 September 2014 18: 33
    +4
    there were shilohs in the former Ukraine and why they still have not been lit up in the conflict is a big question. Probably because there are too few serviceable ones, and those that are covering Kiev ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 8 September 2014 18: 45
      +6
      Lighted up.
      Today, it just flashed in the press that Shilka, remade to support tanks,
      together with tanks transferred to Donetsk.
      Apparently, they were being repaired and modernized.
      1. typhoon7
        typhoon7 8 September 2014 19: 15
        +3
        "Shilka" is a formidable weapon, must be intercepted.
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 8 September 2014 20: 05
          +1
          To order more BC for it in uKrvoentorg. The power supply is used up in one fell swoop.
    2. Mayer1980
      Mayer1980 8 September 2014 19: 55
      0
      Message from Igor Bezler:

      - Urgent information. 32 imported tanks entered Debaltseve, 15 Shiloks entered the tank part of Artemevsk, 7 Tochka-U, 6 Gradov plus 1 Tornado, accompanied by 13 imported tanks.

      They stand on the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk section, accompanied by 13 imported tanks.
      1. alex shnajder
        alex shnajder 8 September 2014 20: 11
        0
        Yes, there are no imported tanks in Ukraine .....
        1. round
          round 8 September 2014 22: 43
          0
          Who knows? Nothing prevents NATO from secretly supplying ukrov. Like both Russia and us.
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 9 September 2014 05: 15
          0
          Quote: alex shnajder
          there are no imported tanks in Ukraine .....

          Follow the news. The media mentioned at least three foreign tanks that were hit during the fighting in August. They did not attach much importance to this, due to the probably small number of such equipment. But - a fact is a fact!
  19. awersa
    awersa 8 September 2014 18: 34
    +3
    Yes .. hike ukrovoyaki "run-in" after the re-conservation of the equipment is done, and then passed to our tested)))
  20. fly fishing
    fly fishing 8 September 2014 18: 42
    +22
    The world is rolling into the abyss. How many are created to destroy a person. How much anger and hatred in the world. How many centuries have people lived, hoping to destroy similar brethren. Greed, evil and hypocrisy, thirst for money ... Horror. How many forces and finances are spent not on peaceful life and science, but on wars ... The planet does not live that way. Yes, you see, nowhere to go ...
    1. andrey56
      andrey56 9 September 2014 08: 52
      0
      Fascism - is human evil, nurtured by mattresses! There will be no masters, and evil will be destroyed.
  21. The Art of War
    The Art of War 8 September 2014 18: 56
    +7
    winked To the militia would be!
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 8 September 2014 22: 47
      0
      To the militia would be!

      To the militia - better individually!
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 September 2014 23: 14
        0
        You do not pay much attention to MANPADS. There, the equipment itself on the ZU-23-2 significantly increases the accuracy of fire at air targets.
  22. cosmos132
    cosmos132 8 September 2014 18: 59
    +3
    100 mm br sub-caliber feathered BM1 from the T-12 gun
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 9 September 2014 09: 41
      0
      ....... Somewhere on the pictures from the battlefields such devices (or rather tail plumage) flickered .....
  23. special
    special 8 September 2014 19: 40
    +2
    Quote: fed2912
    and this trophy 2C5 "Genocide"
    Maybe Geocynth?

    Nah, it’s genocide .... yes
  24. MIV999
    MIV999 8 September 2014 19: 47
    +8
    A very good weapon ... It is also called an "artillery sniper rifle" ... And in combination with Ruta, this baby with a barrel length of 3100 mm becomes very dangerous for any armored vehicles used in the conflict in the South-East ... By the way, at the heart of "Ruta" is the Doppler effect ... This funny "TV" on the dashboard is the actual emitter-receiver of waves ... The emitted wave returns to it, reflected from the object ... the effect itself is that the wavelength changes in proportion to the speed of the object's movement ... That is, everything that is more or less large and moves is detected even in complete darkness ...
    When I served 87-89 in the GSVG OPTAD as the commander of such a weapon, I once threw the idea out loud on my head that the gunner with the "Ruta", in principle, could be, if not completely deceived, then misled, if between the tanks (with night attack with a chain) to pull the rubberized (so as not to break) ropes, on which to hang sheets of foil ... Then you would have to make a fragmentation shot in order to pull the rope at least in one place ... And since the weapon is in real combat conditions during a "duel "with a more or less modern tank of the Bundes, it is calculated, as we said, for one and a half rounds (the tank triggers the flash guidance), then the probability of emerging victorious for the gunners was brutally reduced ...
    For which he thundered on a preventive conversation to the special unit)) ... For nefig))) ...
    PS. It was a good time)))
    1. jagdpanzer
      jagdpanzer 9 September 2014 07: 45
      0
      so it was necessary to think then before blurting)
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  26. stasdolgov
    stasdolgov 8 September 2014 19: 55
    0
    Quote: MIV999

    When I served 87-89 in the OPAG of the GSVG just the commander of such an instrument ...
    PS. It was a good time)))

    Dear MIV999, maybe we exchanged something? From 1988 to 1992 I served in military unit 50319. 154 OPDAD in Altes Camp.
  27. kind
    kind 8 September 2014 19: 57
    +1
    The Ruth complex in the troops of the USSR mainly stood in storage. Subsequently, it became outdated very quickly, but it can even be used very much like a regular anti-tank gun.
  28. Russ69
    Russ69 8 September 2014 19: 57
    +8
    Destruction of self-propelled guns dill from SPG-9 (mat) ...

    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 8 September 2014 20: 19
      +4
      Quote: Russ69
      Destruction of self-propelled guns dill from SPG-9 (mat) ...

      Cool. In an open field to shoot at self-propelled guns. Self-propelled guns seem to have peered
  29. Cristall
    Cristall 8 September 2014 20: 06
    +1
    in the coffers and not so much can be found ...
    The problem still remains - an unpopular war and all.
    But Ukrainians try to use artillery widely ..
    Cheap and cheerful ..
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 8 September 2014 22: 53
      +1
      unpopular war


      Rather, it would end already! Enough enemies in the neighborhood! I want a brotherly country again!
  30. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 September 2014 20: 15
    +1
    Most likely, the electronics of that ... Very old, and there is nothing to fix, components have not been produced for a long time. The Rapier is dangerous for its stealth, high accuracy and rate of fire. At one time he shot out of her to ringing in his ears. The Doppler radar sight is old, and you need to know how to use it. And who will teach this?
  31. terrible
    terrible 8 September 2014 20: 41
    0
    ))) antediluvian cannon from the series "goodbye homeland". The kaklov have not weapons, but scrap metal. The level of an African country))))
  32. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 8 September 2014 21: 25
    0
    Wow there are screwed blocks! And what about shells? laughing
  33. cosmos132
    cosmos132 8 September 2014 21: 27
    0
    A very good tool, but handling the guidance system is not easy.
  34. revnagan
    revnagan 8 September 2014 21: 47
    +2
    Forgive me for not being in the subject. According to unconfirmed reports from serious sources, tomorrow, 09.09.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX martial law will be declared in Ukraine. All telecommunications will be under control. Telephone mobile communications, "Internet". There is no smoke without fire.
  35. lapotnik12
    lapotnik12 8 September 2014 23: 40
    +4
    Quote: stasdolgov
    In the late 80s / early 90s, I served in an anti-tank artillery battalion in Germany. Two batteries were armed with Roots. Although "Ruta" is the same sight (at that time secret). Our guns also had a more cunning gadget - "Brass knuckles" is when a radio-controlled projectile was fired through the barrel, and the operator, sitting next to the gun, pointed it with the joystick.
    Both adaptations are worthless without training and experience. The target is not clearly visible on the display, but only the blackout from the "iron". Pointing is also not easy. So, you will have to prick with a rapier in the old fashioned way (if there are no specialists).

    Greetings. At the end of the empire, I tormented this unit, the current in the SGV. As a former gunner, I can say unequivocally that "Ruta" is a complete ge. For six months of kicking, calling names and trying to understand the deep essence and the need to install this disgrace on the Rapier (very worthy of fluff), an unambiguous conclusion was made (not by me, but also by the battery officers) that the glorious anti-tank crew did not need it. Saved the opportunity left to stick in the optical sight. At various exercises and tests, we smartly turned on the equipment, pulled the joystick and looked into the bell, after which we aimed at the optics and successfully hit the targets. Perhaps, under some certain conditions, and not in our area, "Ruta" and worked, but I do not know. It's the first time I've ever heard about the possibility of firing rockets. So if the Ukrainians knocked out something from the "Rapier", then the complex "Ruta" clearly had nothing to do with it.
    P.S. About five years ago I saw the battery of Ruth in the Belgorod-Dniester Odessa region. The poor fellows stood in the open, miserable and miserable.
    1. krpmlws
      krpmlws 9 September 2014 08: 09
      0
      Quote: lapotnik12
      that naf it does not need glorious anti-tankers.
      Perhaps you do not take into account the specifics of the Ruty complex. With ordinary visibility, a regular sight will be sufficient, and with fog or a smoke curtain, it can be an alternative to a thermal imager.
  36. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 September 2014 23: 45
    +1
    Let's see what the NATO Voentorg dill threw. So it's too early to rejoice. This war for years ...
  37. bmv04636
    bmv04636 9 September 2014 09: 56
    +1
    how dill use the complexes point U says a lot