APU used on T-64 and T-72 militia anti-tank "Ruta"

The Ukrainian army is armed with anti-tank guns MT-12Р "Ruta", which she used in the fight against armored militia, reports Messenger of Mordovia with reference to the video channel Andrei Popov.

Four of these guns were captured by militias in the area of ​​Georgievka.

On the website of the publication indicated: "This modification of the well-known 100 mm Rapira anti-tank gun is distinguished by the fact that, thanks to the radar, it can detect targets, according to some reports, at a distance of 3-5 km. Upon detection, the gunner may proceed to destroy tank the enemy at a distance of 2-2,5 km. Moreover, it could be done at night, in any weather conditions, despite the smoke or high dust ”.

The USSR was lagging behind in the creation of thermal imaging technology, and therefore developed similar systems. The lack of the device in its bulkiness and complexity of use.

This modified gun is a rarity in the Russian army, but the fact that it remained in the Ukrainian arsenals was an unpleasant surprise. Recently, the militia have lost several tanks, and it is possible that they were hit just from the MT-12Р.

Comments

[Andrey Yuryevich]

The USSR was lagging behind in the creation of thermal imaging technology, and therefore developed similar systems. The lack of the device in its bulkiness and complexity of use.

This modified gun is a rarity in the Russian army, but the fact that it remained in the Ukrainian arsenals was an unpleasant surprise. Recently, the militia have lost several tanks, and it is possible that they were hit just from the MT-12Р.
omission in humanitarian aid ... hopefully correct.

[Stalevar]

They know how to do it. MT-12Р was adopted in the sixties, but is still relevant! It’s only a pity that this weapon falls into the hands of the Nazis

[Lopatov]

It’s a pity that modern MBTs can only be scratched with this wonderful weapon.

[Stalevar]

Quote: Spade

It’s a pity that modern MBTs can only be scratched with this wonderful weapon.

When firing ATGM 9K116 "Kustet" armor penetration reaches 550-600 mm of armor with reactive armor. Quite presentable

[Lopatov]

Against the background of the "Cornet" which is already breaking through 1300 for the remote control? And MT-12R do not know how to use guided weapons, only "crowbars" and cumulative ones.

[Stalevar]

Quote: Spade

And MT-12R do not know how to use guided weapons, only "crowbars" and cumulative ones.

A ZUBK-10-1 shot with an 9M117 missile, a semi-automatic laser beam guidance, was put into service in the 1984 year. If there is other information - I will be very grateful!

[Lopatov]

I know. Only for its application it is necessary to see the goal in order to guide 9Sh135.

[Stalevar]

Quote: Spade

Only for its application it is necessary to see the goal, so that 9ш135 direct.

Thank you for the information, dear colleague, took note.

[Lopatov]

Most likely, this MT-12P was used as well as all the others. As used in the RF Armed Forces during the First and Second Wars. Like a big sniper rifle.

I remember the deputy. the head of the school for educational and scientific work, in order to show us the importance of aligning the sighting, he made it himself on the MT-12 (these were the first firing, direct fire), and then knocked down at a distance of 1 km. with a penny "practice" a bottle with a hemp.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Spade

knocked down at a distance of 1 km. with a penny "practice" a bottle with a hemp.

At the Totsky training ground, the cadet knocked down targets, one shot remained, the birch stood 120 mm in diameter, the birch fell, the platoon jumped up, shouted a little, then praised the summing up, oh, it was a good time.

[Lopatov]

Yes, good ... I remember at dusk they put night telescopes on the MT-12, the battalion commander sent the platoon commander into the field by car. There he got up and lit a cigarette. In full view. Everyone looked, and the battalion commander "that's why, comrades, cadets, you can't smoke at the post .." Clearly.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Spade

modern MBTs with this wonderful weapon can only be scratched.

Not sure of the correctness of this conclusion ...
Claims that, for a modern tank, they say an outdated BPS is like a crumbling elephant, and if you hit an o / f shell, then, in general, like a mosquito bite in my personal opinion does not correspond to reality.
Yes, the efficiency is not sufficient, but it all depends on where the projectile hits and the distance to the target.
Even if the armor is not broken, there may be problems with equipment and crew.
During the fighting in the Donbass, there were allegations of serious damage to the T-64 from the NSV and PTR machine guns during WWII.
I saw the hit of a practical shell from the D-81 in the stern of the T-64, in the area of ​​the BKP crankcase with about 200-250 m
The weld seam burst, the engine tore off the support, serious repairs were required.

[Lopatov]

I do not think that in this area one can count on such accidents.

[alex86]

Quote: Spade

You can count on such accidents.

But "pardon" the dilettante, I have already asked, and I have already "received", and still I will ask: modern MBTs ("Abrams", "Leopard-2") have a rather large lure near the tower from the frontal projection. hull sheet, so (for Leopard) the projectile ricochets into the lower bevel of the lure into the turret shoulder strap (if you don't like the terminology, correct it, but the essence is clear) Question: if this is an OFS, what will happen to the tower when in a sufficiently limited space between the lower bevel of the lure and the top armor plate explodes a shell? It is clear that Abrams has a tower of 29 tons, but will it really fail? ("And if an elephant climbs on a whale, who picks whom?" Lev Kassil, "Conduit and Schwambrania")

[Lopatov]

Maybe it’ll frustrate. Only there still need to get

[alex86]

Then, in an amateurish way, I will continue: so, firstly, it is generally necessary to "get into it" (in the tank), and secondly, I mean that if there is nothing decent "in the assortment" (in the BC) (in the sense , with high armor penetration), so it is necessary to switch to the OFS with the installation of a fuse on the OF - half a meter after the ricochet flew by and it's time ... Don't judge strictly, I'm more and more on BM-14, BM-24 and BM-21 within the military department and then 30 years ago ...

[oenaraevskija]

If the tank goes at a speed of 35-45 km / h, yes, even a "snake" ?? !! try to hit me from 1500 m with an unstabilized cannon. And after detecting fire on me from 2500 - a penny on the move.

[ermolai]

and what is not observed at the tank biathlon

Quote: oenaraevskija

And after detecting fire, I’ve been attacking me since 2500 - I can take a penny from the move.

[Lopatov]

I do not think that when shooting direct fire it makes sense to try to shoot at ricochets. It is painfully difficult in this case to get a gap over the target.

It’s easier to break an HE shell on an armored object itself. With a high degree of probability, after this he will be withdrawn from the battle for some time.

[alex86]

Quote: Spade

shoot at ricochets.

Please, do not you understand: I meant a ricochet from the upper armor plate, i.e. when the fuse is installed on the HE, the triggering will be no further than half a meter after the ricochet, i.e. just in a lure under the tower. I understand some of the conventionality of the picture, but firstly, I cannot quite agree with the above version about the impossibility of getting into a moving tank (if it moves like a snake, it will substitute the side), and the phrase about "unstabilized weapon" (let oenaraevskija forgive me) is incorrect - the gun is stationary and optimal for firing, secondly - there are problems with barrel artillery with ammunition to destroy serious armored vehicles - so I come up with all kinds of things ... Maybe some of the tankers will remember the precedent for the explosion of 122 mm on armor - what are the consequences inside?

[Cynic]

Quote: alex86

in the zaman under the tower.

You might think the lures were only on modern machines!
Well, we won’t remember the thirty-four, like the T-44, but the T-54?
It clearly shows how step by step the lures disappeared.

[alex86]

Quote: Cynic

the lures disappeared.

I mean Abrams and Leopard-2: it has been repeatedly noted that on the frontal projection under the tower there is a very "tempting" place ...

[Cynic]

Quote: alex86

I'm talking about Abrams and Leopard 2

What else?

Quote: alex86

on the frontal projection under the tower is a very "tempting" place ...

These places will say their word only with a large number of artillery hits in the car, which in life is not remembered.
So western design thinking while resting on his laurels.
All the shortcomings shown by simple firearms (for example, the notorious cunning placement of the APU at Abrams) were corrected.

[Alekseev]

Quote: alex86

I will continue in an amateurish way: first of all, you have to "still get into" it (into the tank)

Not at all amateurish you continue
The main idea is very robust and professional: the tank is not at all designed to 100% repel enemy shells and ATGMs, every hit for it (the tank) is an extremely unpleasant incident, powerful and perfect modern armor can help and helps, but it is not a panacea.
All tactics of using tanks require making sure that they get into them as little as possible.
No wonder here it has already been noted that the most effective protection of the BTT is ... howitzer (and MLRS with strike aircraft)

[loft79]

Quote: Stalevar

MT-12R was adopted in the sixties

Well, why do you lie to say the least MT-12P is a modification of MT-12 Rapiers, adopted in 1981. It is just different radar complex.

[Stalevar]

Quote: loft79

Well, why do you put it mildly laughing laughing MT-12P is a modification of MT-12 Rapiers, adopted in 1981. It just differs radar complex.

I wrote about the MT-12 "Rapier" without a radar. I am sorry for the inaccuracy in the comments!

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Stalevar

They know how to do it. MT-12Р was adopted in the sixties, but is still relevant! It’s only a pity that this weapon falls into the hands of the Nazis

It is good that the hands of the Nazis usually grow from the place where the back ends and the legs begin ...

[Accent]

Gifts of the Soviet Union ... It is a pity, of course, that these gifts are used by the Nazis to achieve such terrible goals.

[Giant thought]

We will respond with targeted fire from the RUT militias at Ukrainian tanks. Tremble the fascists.

[Neighbor]

So far, "Ruta" and ammunition are only at Ukrov. God grant that there are no specialists.

[77bob1973]

I watched this gun with "Ruta" eight years ago when loading onto platforms during the reorganization of the artillery brigade in Lomonosov!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

apparently from the same photo ...

[vtnsk]

They will send some "Cornets" to help "Metis" and "Fagot" ...

[Angro Magno]

In Voentorg it is necessary to order such.

[dchegrinec]

They wedge a wedge with a wedge. Now fear the Ukrotanks too ..

[surovts.valery]

Somewhat off topic. We noticed that from the heap of weapons, neither as part of ukrovoinstva, nor as part of the militia, "Shilki" did not appear anywhere. It was infa that the Ukrainians armed the Terbats with them. The question is where? My speculations on this topic: 1). In service with MSD, TD and other SA units for 1991, were there no Shiloks deployed in Ukraine? Then there should be an adequate replacement - "Tunguska", but they arrived later. 2). If you were. Have you sold everything? Or they were in such deep conservation that they have only now been excavated. Or "friends" returned back? But this machine is a very useful and active thing.

[St Petrov]

at the landfill, the brick house was cut into 2 parts with a pinch into XNUMX parts. At that moment, I realized that air defense is not the main direction of this pepelats.

And the sounds of gunshots at machine guns ... this is music) It is a pity that military air defense is very weakly protected. Yes, and glows on radars very brightly

and BC ends in a few minutes and it is very dangerous located. The one on Tunguska is a shahid’s belt around the tower. Yes, and no armor. But if everything is done according to the canons - a very worthy argument at a distance of 2,5 km. Undress any equipment with any degree of protection. Cheap and cheerful. Infantry in general is better not to get caught on the way in line

[surovts.valery]

Yes, I saw them live too. We (in the Pacific Fleet MP) they ran and fired back in the early 2000s. A lot of things can break down there, but rot, from "long-term storage", for example, barrel cooling hoses. Maybe that's why the Ukrainians didn't use them.

[max702]

There was infa that in Afghanistan they threw out other equipment and increased the radar into two ammunition and used it very successfully .. Complaints were about an almost complete lack of armor .. That would be put in a tank tower than not BMPT ..

[qQQQ]

He served on "Shilka", about the cut house, this is where such tales are told. "Shilka" is very fast-firing, but the shells already from 500 meters acquire a spherical appearance, so that a brick house can be destroyed, but not cut in any way. And at a distance of 2.5 km, the dispersion of shells will be decent, it's good if a few pieces hit. At a distance of 800 m, the target of 2 helicopters is 5 points, if out of 3 installations of 20 projectiles in one there will be 3 holes, and in the other at least 1. I can be wrong somewhere in the details, it was a long time ago, but not essential. In Afghanistan, they have established themselves as a means of working in mountainous terrain, if they did not fall, then mountain falls were possible + trunks were raised at a large angle.

[jagdpanzer]

the infantry probably evaporates

[Angro Magno]

However, subtly noticed. Really not one. Or maybe they’re not specifically sent to the front so that the Novorossiysk will not get it?

[Mayer1980]

Message from Igor Bezler:

- Urgent information. 32 imported tanks entered Debaltseve, !!!!!!!!!!!! 15 Shilok !!!!!!!!!!!!!! entered the tank part of Artemevsk, 7 Tochka-U, 6 Gradov plus 1 Tornado, accompanied by 13 tanks also imported.

They stand on the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk section, accompanied by 13 imported tanks.

[oenaraevskija]

Against the tank (Shilka) - a terrible thing. Kill will not kill. And leave the blind and deaf. I saw them in business.

[APASUS]

Quote: dchegrinec

They wedge a wedge with a wedge. Now fear the Ukrotanks too ..

A gun with such sighting equipment is very rare, the shelf life is also suitable for it, and most importantly, where did they get the gunner for this gun, it's not an optical sight?
Despite the fact that all the time of the independence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffered from a lack of funds, I doubt that there were a dozen pros for such a technique, and the militia is unlikely to master this technique in a couple of days

[m262]

It is necessary to order a video lesson in GRAU on setting up and working with the scope

[igor1981]

Well, it's time to send these "Routes" against the junta. And you are so amazed that dill does not have anything in the barns.

[vtnsk]

Brains and conscience are definitely not there. Checked ...

[mamont5]

Quote: vtnsk

Brains and conscience are definitely not there. Checked ...

Well, where does the junta have such wealth !?

[queen]

As if there were no nuclear weapons.

[vtnsk]

God knew about this, and in time deprived his ukrov. Monkeys (banderlogs) should not be given grenades ...

[Dmitry 2246]

While there is time, it is necessary to repair and master. Perhaps it will come in handy soon.

[kristofer]

if in the Russian army they are rare, then in their dill units. IMHO

[vtnsk]

So now they are in service with the VSN. "UkroVoentorg" - forever !!! ...

[MAXUZZZ]

I hope the trophy "rues" are efficient enough and will help the militia in the area of ​​the ukrovoysk cluster near Happiness when the "truce" is over, a pleasant surprise for the ukrotankists

[Patriot.ru.]

It’s unlikely that even the Ukropovskys were operational, not to mention the trophy ones. The radio equipment of the 80s is very unreliable. It itself was engaged in its repair.

[zlideny]

cool device.

[prishelec]

But what if the militia lost several tanks, then they should be destroyed with this artillery? because militiamen also destroyed ukrotanki and they didn’t have such artillery, ukrovoyaki can also unfortunately do what the militias do.

[Roman 1977]

Of course it will come in handy, like this trophy 2S19 "Msta-S"

and this

and this 2C3 "Acacia"

and this trophy 2C5 "Genocide"

and this 2C1 "Carnation"

[fed2912]

and this trophy 2C5 "Genocide"
Maybe Geocynth?

[igorkuzik]

Hyacinth - there is such a flower, you see.

[Roman 1977]

Quote: fed2912

and this trophy 2C5 "Genocide" Maybe "Geocynth"?

Quote: igorkuzik

Hyacinth - there is such a flower, you see.

I know perfectly well that the 152-mm self-propelled gun 2S5 is called "Hyacinth", in honor of this beautiful flower. Nevertheless, in the troops, she has an unofficial nickname "Genocide", firstly because of the consonance with the official name, and secondly, she earned a similar nickname during the Afghan war, and fully confirmed during the Chechens, for the enormous destructive power of her shells, so 152-mm high-explosive fragmentation shells are guaranteed to destroy any enemy fortification.

[Lopatov]

That's right. "Hyacinth" became "Genocide" even under the USSR

[typhoon7]

Genocide, this is a nickname, a projectile of increased power, this thing is destructive in strength equal to a projectile of a 240 mm gun. He also has closed characteristics, because of which he received his nickname. This is the most powerful and long-range gun in our country, many of its data are still closed. there is a photo true self-propelled guns.

[kind]

many of her data are still closed.

Which for example?!!

[typhoon7]

It is written, the data is closed. There are serious numbers, especially for special ammunition, everything that goes on the internet, rumors and it’s good, whoever should be, they know, so you should not be ironic.

[kind]

I'm not being ironic at all. The ballistics of nuclear power supplies was secret, that is, the weight of the special ammunition was secret. We in the USSR had many secrets that everyone knew, but pretended to be a secret. The 2C7 PION system was really secret, because was intended mainly for firing nuclear warheads, but these were the 60s, and then the rapid growth of missiles began and these systems lost their direct purpose.

[code54]

Divov Oleg Igorevich (Science fiction writer) served not on such "Genocide"? I don't remember exactly, he had funny stories about the service ...

[Bronik]

Effective and scarce weapons Dill delivered the People’s Army. Now you need to train personnel to service.

[Makyr]

Not effective and not scarce. In the state of PTP, one RUTA relied on a division.
What kind of staff to train, there the batteries have already turned into dust.

[Cynic]

This modified gun is a rarity in the Russian army, but the fact that it remained in the Ukrainian arsenals was an unpleasant surprise.

We forget about the role of the former USSR, among the republics of the USSR, in the Warsaw Treaty.
There is a Point at the dill, S-200, S-300.
What is there to be surprised at?

[Pilat2009]

Guns are certainly good if they are serviceable, not the fact that over 20 years of storage, something has been preserved in the electronic part.
But Point U will be stronger:
- 9H123F - high-explosive fragmentation warhead with 162,5 kg of explosive and 14500 ready fragments. In an explosion at an altitude of 20 meters, fragments hit objects in an area up to 3 ha;
- 9H123K - cluster warhead. Contains 50 frag elements with 1,5 kg of explosive and 316 shrapnel in each. At a height of 2250 meters above the surface, the automatics opens the cassette, as a result of which up to seven hectares are sown with fragments;

[Manul]

Quote: Pilat2009

But Point U will be stronger:

The Point has stricter storage and service conditions. And the shelf life is incompatible. How can rockets and artillery be compared at all ??? The howitzers are intended for a massive strike, and the Point (just like a pun sounds) for a point.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Manul

for point.

Well, yes, on 7 hectares-point

[Manul]

Quote: Pilat2009

Well, yes, on 7 hectares-point

Yes, and for the point that you need a shell in a howitzer, a couple of men, and a few seconds. During the battle, this is the most important characteristic. And the Point drove up, fired and ... into the bushes.

[Akvadra]

Soon, the militias will be armed with the latest NATO weapons. Parashenko personally promised! )))

[Aljavad]

Parashenko personally promised! )))

So, for sure: Nonsense!

[stasdolgov]

Quote: Novel 1977

and this trophy 2C5 "Genocide"

Did you mean "Hyacinth"? ;))))
In the late 80s / early 90s, I served in an anti-tank artillery battalion in Germany. Two batteries were armed with Roots. Although "Ruta" is the same sight (at that time secret). Our guns also had a more cunning gadget - "Brass knuckles" is when a radio-controlled projectile was fired through the barrel, and the operator, sitting next to the gun, pointed it with the joystick.
Both adaptations are worthless without training and experience. The target is not clearly visible on the display, but only the blackout from the "iron". Pointing is also not easy. So, you will have to prick with a rapier in the old fashioned way (if there are no specialists).

[biglow]

there were shilohs in the former Ukraine and why they still have not been lit up in the conflict is a big question. Probably because there are too few serviceable ones, and those that are covering Kiev ...

[voyaka uh]

Lighted up.
Today, it just flashed in the press that Shilka, remade to support tanks,
together with tanks transferred to Donetsk.
Apparently, they were being repaired and modernized.

[typhoon7]

"Shilka" is a formidable weapon, must be intercepted.

[siberalt]

To order more BC for it in uKrvoentorg. The power supply is used up in one fell swoop.

[Mayer1980]

Message from Igor Bezler:

- Urgent information. 32 imported tanks entered Debaltseve, 15 Shiloks entered the tank part of Artemevsk, 7 Tochka-U, 6 Gradov plus 1 Tornado, accompanied by 13 imported tanks.

They stand on the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk section, accompanied by 13 imported tanks.

[alex shnajder]

Yes, there are no imported tanks in Ukraine .....

[round]

Who knows? Nothing prevents NATO from secretly supplying ukrov. Like both Russia and us.

[avia1991]

Quote: alex shnajder

there are no imported tanks in Ukraine .....

Follow the news. The media mentioned at least three foreign tanks that were hit during the fighting in August. They did not attach much importance to this, due to the probably small number of such equipment. But - a fact is a fact!

[awersa]

Yes .. hike ukrovoyaki "run-in" after the re-conservation of the equipment is done, and then passed to our tested)))

[fly fishing]

The world is rolling into the abyss. How many are created to destroy a person. How much anger and hatred in the world. How many centuries have people lived, hoping to destroy similar brethren. Greed, evil and hypocrisy, thirst for money ... Horror. How many forces and finances are spent not on peaceful life and science, but on wars ... The planet does not live that way. Yes, you see, nowhere to go ...

[andrey56]

Fascism - is human evil, nurtured by mattresses! There will be no masters, and evil will be destroyed.

[The Art of War]

To the militia would be!

[Aljavad]

To the militia would be!

To the militia - better individually!

[Lopatov]

You do not pay much attention to MANPADS. There, the equipment itself on the ZU-23-2 significantly increases the accuracy of fire at air targets.

[cosmos132]

100 mm br sub-caliber feathered BM1 from the T-12 gun

[aleks 62]

....... Somewhere on the pictures from the battlefields such devices (or rather tail plumage) flickered .....

[special]

Quote: fed2912

and this trophy 2C5 "Genocide"
Maybe Geocynth?

Nah, it’s genocide ....

[MIV999]

A very good weapon ... It is also called an "artillery sniper rifle" ... And in combination with Ruta, this baby with a barrel length of 3100 mm becomes very dangerous for any armored vehicles used in the conflict in the South-East ... By the way, at the heart of "Ruta" is the Doppler effect ... This funny "TV" on the dashboard is the actual emitter-receiver of waves ... The emitted wave returns to it, reflected from the object ... the effect itself is that the wavelength changes in proportion to the speed of the object's movement ... That is, everything that is more or less large and moves is detected even in complete darkness ...
When I served 87-89 in the GSVG OPTAD as the commander of such a weapon, I once threw the idea out loud on my head that the gunner with the "Ruta", in principle, could be, if not completely deceived, then misled, if between the tanks (with night attack with a chain) to pull the rubberized (so as not to break) ropes, on which to hang sheets of foil ... Then you would have to make a fragmentation shot in order to pull the rope at least in one place ... And since the weapon is in real combat conditions during a "duel "with a more or less modern tank of the Bundes, it is calculated, as we said, for one and a half rounds (the tank triggers the flash guidance), then the probability of emerging victorious for the gunners was brutally reduced ...
For which he thundered on a preventive conversation to the special unit)) ... For nefig))) ...
PS. It was a good time)))

[jagdpanzer]

so it was necessary to think then before blurting)

[stasdolgov]

Quote: MIV999

When I served 87-89 in the OPAG of the GSVG just the commander of such an instrument ...
PS. It was a good time)))

Dear MIV999, maybe we exchanged something? From 1988 to 1992 I served in military unit 50319. 154 OPDAD in Altes Camp.

[kind]

The Ruth complex in the troops of the USSR mainly stood in storage. Subsequently, it became outdated very quickly, but it can even be used very much like a regular anti-tank gun.

[Russ69]

Destruction of self-propelled guns dill from SPG-9 (mat) ...

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Russ69

Destruction of self-propelled guns dill from SPG-9 (mat) ...

Cool. In an open field to shoot at self-propelled guns. Self-propelled guns seem to have peered

[Cristall]

in the coffers and not so much can be found ...
The problem still remains - an unpopular war and all.
But Ukrainians try to use artillery widely ..
Cheap and cheerful ..

[Aljavad]

unpopular war

Rather, it would end already! Enough enemies in the neighborhood! I want a brotherly country again!

[Mountain shooter]

Most likely, the electronics of that ... Very old, and there is nothing to fix, components have not been produced for a long time. The Rapier is dangerous for its stealth, high accuracy and rate of fire. At one time he shot out of her to ringing in his ears. The Doppler radar sight is old, and you need to know how to use it. And who will teach this?

[terrible]

))) antediluvian cannon from the series "goodbye homeland". The kaklov have not weapons, but scrap metal. The level of an African country))))

[Ze Kot]

Wow there are screwed blocks! And what about shells?

[cosmos132]

A very good tool, but handling the guidance system is not easy.

[revnagan]

Forgive me for not being in the subject. According to unconfirmed reports from serious sources, tomorrow, 09.09.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX martial law will be declared in Ukraine. All telecommunications will be under control. Telephone mobile communications, "Internet". There is no smoke without fire.

[lapotnik12]

Quote: stasdolgov

In the late 80s / early 90s, I served in an anti-tank artillery battalion in Germany. Two batteries were armed with Roots. Although "Ruta" is the same sight (at that time secret). Our guns also had a more cunning gadget - "Brass knuckles" is when a radio-controlled projectile was fired through the barrel, and the operator, sitting next to the gun, pointed it with the joystick.
Both adaptations are worthless without training and experience. The target is not clearly visible on the display, but only the blackout from the "iron". Pointing is also not easy. So, you will have to prick with a rapier in the old fashioned way (if there are no specialists).

Greetings. At the end of the empire, I tormented this unit, the current in the SGV. As a former gunner, I can say unequivocally that "Ruta" is a complete ge. For six months of kicking, calling names and trying to understand the deep essence and the need to install this disgrace on the Rapier (very worthy of fluff), an unambiguous conclusion was made (not by me, but also by the battery officers) that the glorious anti-tank crew did not need it. Saved the opportunity left to stick in the optical sight. At various exercises and tests, we smartly turned on the equipment, pulled the joystick and looked into the bell, after which we aimed at the optics and successfully hit the targets. Perhaps, under some certain conditions, and not in our area, "Ruta" and worked, but I do not know. It's the first time I've ever heard about the possibility of firing rockets. So if the Ukrainians knocked out something from the "Rapier", then the complex "Ruta" clearly had nothing to do with it.
P.S. About five years ago I saw the battery of Ruth in the Belgorod-Dniester Odessa region. The poor fellows stood in the open, miserable and miserable.

[krpmlws]

Quote: lapotnik12

that naf it does not need glorious anti-tankers.

Perhaps you do not take into account the specifics of the Ruty complex. With ordinary visibility, a regular sight will be sufficient, and with fog or a smoke curtain, it can be an alternative to a thermal imager.

[Zomanus]

Let's see what the NATO Voentorg dill threw. So it's too early to rejoice. This war for years ...

[bmv04636]

how dill use the complexes point U says a lot