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In the DPR presented an approximate data on the number of dead and wounded during the civil war

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The speaker of the DPR parliament, Boris Litvinov, announced the figures for possible losses in the Donbas. We are talking about losses on both sides of the conflict. According to Boris Litvinov, at least 30 thousand people were killed and wounded during the civil war. Such information he presented in an interview RIA News.

Boris Litvinov:

No less than 30 thousands of dead and wounded. It is on both sides, and the militia, and the security forces, and civilians.


In the DPR presented an approximate data on the number of dead and wounded during the civil war


The vice-premier of the government of the Donetsk People's Republic, in charge of social policy issues, Alexander Karaman, has a slightly different point of view. Alexander Karaman says that now it is impossible to give an unambiguous estimate of the number of dead and wounded during the armed conflict. According to the Deputy Prime Minister of the DPR, it will be possible to talk about the casualty figures on both sides only after the liberation of all the territories of the People's Republics and carrying out measures to uncover spontaneous graves and exhume the remains of the dead.

Kiev still claims that in the southeast of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the so-called national guard lost no more than 800 people killed and about 2,5 thousand wounded, and the civilian casualties prefer to ignore the civilian casualties for the reason that the majority of Donbass residents are official Kiev actually recognized the terrorists after the referendum in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 September 2014 16: 17
    +20
    Not soon will the truth about this war reach dill. And when it comes, they will yell together - this is propaganda - and well, gallop.
    1. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin 8 September 2014 16: 19
      +4
      so these figures are propaganda. correctly Karaman says: the numbers can be announced only after the completion of actions
      1. Oleg NSK
        Oleg NSK 8 September 2014 16: 24
        +3
        unambiguous estimate of the death toll

        it will be possible to find out only after the liberation of Kiev from the Nazis
        1. severniy
          severniy 8 September 2014 16: 36
          +6
          Horror takes, here one killed so much grief, and thousands ...
          1. Tatar 174
            Tatar 174 8 September 2014 17: 14
            +4
            The United States is who should answer for all the dead in Ukraine, this country has arranged everything and all the blame on it! Correctly, the Leader said: the United States must be destroyed!
            1. Russian Uzbek
              Russian Uzbek 8 September 2014 17: 59
              +2
              guys from the EU also tried pretty well
              1. Tatar 174
                Tatar 174 8 September 2014 18: 17
                0
                they are slaves ...
      2. herruvim
        herruvim 8 September 2014 16: 28
        +1
        Judging by what happened there, it is far from the real numbers of the dead, the real number can only be called a few years after the end of the war
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 8 September 2014 16: 42
          +2
          It’s unthinkable! 30 thousand! And this is only approximately, from some reports the numbers of dead and wounded APUs are already over 30 thousand. And in Kiev everyone will jump ... eh heh heh recourse
        2. zennon
          zennon 8 September 2014 17: 32
          0
          Quote: herruvim
          the real figure can only be called a few years after the end of the war

          With all due respect, but let me notice, there are only ten digits. From 0 to 9.NUMBERSThat is, 10 and as much as you like is the number. Let's say it right. As for the combat irretrievable and collateral losses, the real numbers, I'm afraid we will never know ...
          1. tokens2
            tokens2 8 September 2014 17: 46
            0
            then real numbers, I'm afraid we will never know ...

            Well, it's you in vain. There will be a goal, with a high probability of finding a figure, they will publish it. The question is who will order the analysis. Now it’s not the beginning of the 20th century with the civil war.
            In general, it is interesting how statistical studies were conducted in Ukraine on the number ... and population migration, mortality even before the ATO.
            There will be a lot of speculation, but within the limits of provability of facts.
            1. zennon
              zennon 8 September 2014 18: 07
              0
              Quote: Lexi2
              There will be a goal, with a high probability to display a figure, will be published.

              HERE! This is exactly what I'm writing about. And will there be a goal? ..
              1. tokens2
                tokens2 8 September 2014 21: 00
                0
                HERE! This is exactly what I'm writing about. And will there be a goal? ..

                If not ... very many will not understand.
          2. Aljavad
            Aljavad 8 September 2014 23: 23
            0
            There are only ten digits. From 0 to 9.

            In our, Great and Mighty Russian language (as in others), many words are ambiguous. Knowing only one meaning leads to a misunderstanding of the text. Or misunderstanding.

            Explanatory dictionary Ushakov:
            "numerals, g. (Arabic). 1. Sign to denote a number. Arabic numerals (1, 2, 3, 4, etc.). Roman numerals (I, II, III, IV, etc.) . The sum of the digits of a certain number. 2. The sum, the number (colloquial). Name a round digit. An arbitrary digit. || The indicator of something., Expressed in numbers; calculation, counting. Control numbers. Express work in numbers.
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    2. 222222
      222222 8 September 2014 16: 40
      +1
      Mountain shooter RU Today, 16: 17 New
      The truth about this war will not reach dill soon. And when it comes, they will scream together - this is propaganda - and well jump. "

      At night in Solovyov's program "Sunday evening"
      ..by the loss figures of 2 fragments from Rogov’s lips
      1st from 1 hour 24 min 45 sec
      2nd from 1 hour 41 min 47 sec ...
      http://politikus.ru/video/29135-voskresnyy-vecher-s-vladimirom-solovevym-0709201


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      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 8 September 2014 16: 42
        +3
        Ukrainians will now have a fashionable topic not the Holodomor - but Russian aggression from 2014. And so until new events - apparently, 100 years will have to pass, and then the crest will again begin to weird
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 8 September 2014 16: 51
          +1
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          And so on until new events - apparently, 100 years will have to pass

          20 years, this is enough for another generation to be born! This is while preserving Ukraine as a state-state and such managers in power as Parashenko!
          1. zennon
            zennon 8 September 2014 17: 38
            +5
            Quote: Sid.74
            such managers in power as Parashenko!

            Believe me, the pig is far from the worst ... Pay attention to the dull face of the leading person. Are these our brothers? ..
            1. Sultan Babai
              Sultan Babai 8 September 2014 22: 53
              0
              red-bearded - each booger (she is a turd) imagines himself a leader of a tribe of dumb-headed fascists
            2. Saburov
              Saburov 9 September 2014 02: 59
              0
              He has all the signs of Down syndrome on his face (attention to squinting eyes and eyebrows), have Ukrainians managed to repeat the experience of Professor Preobrazhensky?
      2. 222222
        222222 8 September 2014 16: 44
        +3
        7 09 14 nightingales
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 8 September 2014 17: 11
      +1
      Ukrainian fascist leaders are penniless the lives of ordinary Ukrainian citizens, they are all raving about European values ​​and leading the country to the abyss.
    4. Gado
      Gado 8 September 2014 20: 17
      +3
      The truth about this war may not reach at all, or the truth is simply forgotten "by accident", as the truth about who did shoot down a Malaysian plane.
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 8 September 2014 23: 40
        0
        about someone who still shot down a Malaysian plane.

        And what happened in Odessa ..

        We will not forget! And do not forgive!

        There were war crimes. SKP RF started business. When - I do not know, but the court will be.
        Then we will find out the truth.
  2. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 8 September 2014 16: 17
    +3
    Scary figures ... It is not clear why Ukrainians are not afraid?
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 8 September 2014 16: 20
      +2
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      Scary figures ... It is not clear why Ukrainians are not afraid?


      Because they do not know. From the zombie man this is not said.
    2. arane
      arane 8 September 2014 16: 30
      +2
      yes because they do not know and do not believe
      1. Grbear
        Grbear 8 September 2014 16: 48
        +3
        arane Today, 16: 30 ↑ New
        yes because they do not know and do not believe

        Even a simple awareness of dill and Europeans 21st Century deaths in central Europe - justifies the truce.
  3. rugor
    rugor 8 September 2014 16: 19
    +15
    I read one dill site, nobody regrets the losses there. It was still not possible to remake civilians, it was easier to dunk. And nobody believes about the loss of the military - propaganda.

    Militias do the right thing to release prisoners. These sorrow heroes return home and quietly (in another way you can’t) tell the truth, then a heavy hangover from realizing the truth will come.
  4. novobranets
    novobranets 8 September 2014 16: 20
    +25
    Oh, Yanukovych, Yanukovych. Cowardly bastard. After all, he could have prevented all this. Not given an order on time, poured out rivers of blood.
    1. Drednout
      Drednout 8 September 2014 16: 34
      +1
      Quote: novobranets
      Oh, Yanukovych, Yanukovych. Cowardly bastard. After all, he could not allow all this

      The fact that he is a bastard is indisputable, but he had no other choice. I would repeat the path of Muammar. Deceived and raped to the fullest. But it was necessary to crush natsgadin right away, apparently they didn’t give, and it wasn’t before.
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 8 September 2014 23: 55
        0
        Deceived and raped to the fullest.

        Because he was deceived and raped to the fullest, that he is a cowardly, greedy bastard.
        He allowed CRIMINAL negligence and CRIMINAL INACTION.
        As a result, people died and the country was mired in civil war, poverty and devastation.
        As a result, the country fell apart, i.e. ceased to exist.
        but he had no other choice.

        The solution was - from the very beginning to think about the country, and not about grandmothers.
  5. Altona
    Altona 8 September 2014 16: 21
    +4
    For example, I trust the militia data and am inclined to a figure of the order of 20 thousand from the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the territorial assault battalions ... Moreover, the Ukrovsk gruppenfuhrers give about the same reports ... And it’s easy to count them - the battalion (regiment, brigade) up to Anti-terrorist operation went down, then they moved to the village - ALL! All who went out are the fatherland zradniki ... Something like this ...
  6. quote
    quote 8 September 2014 16: 21
    +3
    Quote: Mama_Cholli
    .It is not clear why Ukrainians are not afraid?

    A rabid dog does not understand whether she is afraid or not. Some parallel can be seen.
  7. navara399
    navara399 8 September 2014 16: 23
    +4
    It's like in the movie "Inhabited Island" until they turn off the repeaters (ukroSMI), they will not be able to think normally. And even if they begin to understand that everyone is not as they were told, they will not recognize the truth because of the hypocritical harm.
    So it’s easier for them to live when someone is to blame. Unfortunately, this is not treated.
  8. Fuse
    Fuse 8 September 2014 16: 24
    +3
    On Ukrainian-language Wikipedia there is a page where Ukrainians independently try to calculate their losses by name, there are official reports and publications of regional mass media. So, at that moment, 1020 people from all power departments were counted.

    The list is constantly updated.
  9. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 8 September 2014 16: 25
    +1
    According to the Deputy Prime Minister of the DPR, it will be possible to talk about the loss figures on both sides only after the liberation of all the territories of the People’s Republics and the carrying out of measures to uncover the spontaneous burials and exhumation of the remains of the dead.

    And how can one do without criminal cases? Here, as with the exchange of prisoners, it will not work - "all for all." Like we forgive you our victims, and you - yours. It’s too early to answer the junta.
  10. belovur
    belovur 8 September 2014 16: 27
    +2
    And after such losses, attempts are being made to leave the DPR and LPR in Ukraine! Top cynicism and pragmatism!
  11. Belopolyak
    Belopolyak 8 September 2014 16: 27
    +1
    I am annoyed by this concept of "killed and wounded", how many were wounded and how many survived?
  12. Akvadra
    Akvadra 8 September 2014 16: 32
    +1
    For rent, the figure is Very approximate! In the whirlwind of the war, a huge mass of refugees (in all directions), militias, volunteers from different countries, the outright lies of Kiev, and many other factors, it is extremely difficult to make an adequate assessment of the total losses. It is enough to recall the experience of past wars and it will be clear how conventional the numbers are.
  13. Alfizik
    Alfizik 8 September 2014 16: 44
    0
    Catching the junta in a lie is very simple: you need to ask (request) from them the data on the number of deaths in any city, district or region, and everything will fall into place. In the meantime, each region believes (assumes) that all 8 of those killed are natives of their locality. And when it suddenly turns out that 800 is the loss of Dnepropetrovsk or Lviv alone, then ...
  14. siberalt
    siberalt 8 September 2014 16: 47
    0
    The Junta has its own score. Fewer deaths in the reports - less hryvnia per capita from the treasury. But, after all, the truth will be revealed. This cannot be hidden. And then what? Again, claims against Russia? And who will pay the passengers for the downed Siberia plane? The second president of Ukraine?
  15. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 8 September 2014 16: 51
    +1
    Kiev still claims that in the southeast of the Armed Forces and the so-called National Guard under no more than 800 people were killed and about 2,5 thousand wounded (quote)

    Pension for the loss of the breadwinner and social compensations will be received only by those close to the tsarist jo ... pe or those who have a shaggy paw.
    To everyone else, it seems like some kind of limb will have to suck.
    Here is the Khuntaevsky war. This is about noodles from Klitschko that the family will not beggar.
    This goat himself ... didn’t go to the front line to show by personal example how to fight, this is not a ring, he will be quickly explained there what.
  16. Target
    Target 8 September 2014 16: 52
    +1
    Quote: Oleg NSK
    only after the liberation of Kiev from the Nazis

    Young people, you confuse the collapse with the revolution.
  17. Styx
    Styx 8 September 2014 16: 55
    +1
    Kapets, the whole district city was killed, and this is only preliminary, are all blockages demolished, are all bodies found at the battlefield? Kashmar, just no words
  18. Target
    Target 8 September 2014 16: 59
    +4
    Quote: Styx
    Kapets, the whole district city was killed, and this is only preliminary, are all blockages demolished, are all bodies found at the battlefield? Kashmar, just no words


    And in Syria as well ... in Iraq, and in Libya, and in the collapsed Yugoslavia. Behind all this is the black hand of the United States.
    1. Styx
      Styx 8 September 2014 17: 14
      0
      Rather bloody elbow: ((((
  19. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 8 September 2014 16: 59
    +2
    Quote: herruvim
    Judging by what happened there, it is far from the real numbers of the dead, the real number can only be called a few years after the end of the war



    I’m afraid that in a few years you won’t find any ends at all.

    Do we have exact losses in at least one war?
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 9 September 2014 00: 06
      0
      Do we have exact losses in at least one war?

      In the twentieth century, ALL of our "kings" believed that we have a lot of people. Therefore, there are no precise data on any war (possibly, except for Afgan).
      But the Finns in the second world EVERYTHING counted, found and buried.
      Israel counts EVERY Jew (Israeli citizen).
  20. flSergius
    flSergius 8 September 2014 17: 07
    0
    If prozapodnikov in peacetime to identify and shoot in the gateways, it will save many lives. I seriously, it’s not out of a desire for revenge, it’s like plumbing - if every couple of months I tinker a little with smelly pipes and siphons, then there will be less problems than popping your ears for a whole year, and then suddenly at 23 pm face a blockage until night clean out a whole basin of rot and hair. This is the last thing the militias have to do for more than a month.
  21. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 8 September 2014 17: 59
    0
    "... and the junta prefers to ignore the data on civilian casualties altogether, for the reason that official Kiev actually recognized the majority of Donbass residents as terrorists after the referendums in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions."

    This is scary to read. But this truth it is simply necessary to bring to the people of Russia, and Ukraine, and the peoples of Europe.
    1. zennon
      zennon 8 September 2014 18: 05
      +1
      Quote: Tanya-umunechka
      This is scary to read. But this truth simply needs to be brought to the people of Russia, and Ukraine, and the peoples of Europe.

      Tanya! But neither the people of Geyropa, nor the majority on the outskirts, are interested in the truth! It’s easier, more convenient, more comfortable to consider how they are fed by other media. Understand, you’re smart ...
  22. novobranets
    novobranets 8 September 2014 19: 33
    +2
    According to Boris Litvinov, at least 30 thousand people were killed and wounded during the civil war.
    Add to this almost three hundred people who have nothing to do with this war at all. By the way, "news from Israel"
    Today I had a chance to talk with one pretty well-known politician from Israel.
    The most important thing that I learned from the conversation is that in Israel in political circles, everyone is 99,99% sure that Benya Kolomoisky ordered the Boeing. Almost no one doubts. And therefore, he is extremely angry. By the fact that he lost the coast - he knocks down civilian planes, forms punitive battalions, plays the Zhid-Bandera - Benya substitutes Jews around the world. Well, besides the American Jews - they like such provocations.
    Therefore, there is no progress to Israel Ben. There, special services will communicate tightly with him, strip him like sticky, and then put him in prison.
    My interlocutor is confident that the US rhetoric will change within a week. Obama cannot prove that New Russia or Russia is involved in the destruction of the Boeing. And it is necessary to name the culprit. There are exactly two candidates - Poroshenko and Kolomoisky. But ... to name Poroshenko the culprit is simply to politically finish off Ukraine in the international arena. The strange situation is that the United States supports the president-terrorist.
    So the candidacy is actually left alone. Benya played in the baron of the Ukrainian feud. And now it will be merged.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 8 September 2014 19: 39
      +3
      Quote: novobranets
      So the candidacy is actually left alone. Benya played in the baron of the Ukrainian feud. And now it will be merged.

      So consider in Israel ...
      And in the EU and Matrasia, ALREADY LONG time, Russia blames all sins (what happened and what will be).
      And it seems to me that Psaki and Harfi will turn out to be cute fools in comparison with those "smart" faces who will seriously "decipher the black boxes" and analyze the holes on the remains of MH-17.
  23. novobranets
    novobranets 8 September 2014 20: 30
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    Quote: stalkerwalker
    will seriously "decipher the black boxes" and analyze the holes on the remains of MH-17.

    I think that the main work has already been done. According to unofficial information, a conclusion was made about three weeks ago - the Boeing was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter, who first shot the cockpit with precision and then launched rockets.
    1. zennon
      zennon 8 September 2014 20: 43
      +1
      Quote: novobranets
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      will seriously "decipher the black boxes" and analyze the holes on the remains of MH-17.

      I think that the main work has already been done. According to unofficial information, a conclusion was made about three weeks ago - the Boeing was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter, who first shot the cockpit with precision and then launched rockets.

      This article is September 8, 2014.
      Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said the preliminary report on the investigation into the causes of the death of the Boeing 777 in the skies over Ukraine is "quite convincing." According to the Wall Street Journal, he said this at a joint press conference with Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
      According to him, now it is necessary to find evidence that will bring the case of the death of the liner to court. "It is necessary that no one doubts that the plane was shot down by a rocket," said the head of the Malaysian government.
      He added that it would take several more weeks to fully investigate the crash site of the liner, to find the remains of all those who crashed in a plane crash and to collect evidence against those who committed the crime.
      The report of the commission investigating the death of the Boeing 777 should appear on Tuesday. According to preliminary data, investigators concluded that the plane was shot down by a ground-to-air missile fired from territory that was controlled by the militias at that time.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 8 September 2014 20: 55
        +2
        Quote: zennon
        This article is September 8, 2014.

        Quote: zennon
        According to preliminary data, investigators concluded that the plane was shot down by a ground-to-air missile fired from territory that was controlled by the militias at that time.

        I read the article and drew attention to the "preliminary report".
        It seems that both the results of the decryption and the study of the wreckage of the liner will "live a separate life" from the conclusions - this is what gayropeans and mattresses have been doing all the time.
        And I won’t be surprised at all if Europe and Malaysia have absolutely opposite conclusions.
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 8 September 2014 21: 32
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          Along with the message of the Minister of Transport, the Malaysian publication New Strait Times published material containing a statement about the Boeing’s defeat by an air-to-air missile and the parallel firing of a fighter’s cannon. The publication refers to the data of the Associated Press reporter Robert Perry, who said: "My sources in American intelligence have come to the conclusion that the rebels and Russia are most likely not to blame for the Boeing disaster and, apparently, the Ukrainian government forces are to blame." This revelation of his was also posted on the website of the independent research and media organization GlobalResearch.

          Perry also gave an interview to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation of one of the OSCE staff, Michael Botsyurkiv, who was the first to arrive at the crash site near Donetsk. “The wreckage was still smoking when our small group of OSCE observers got there,” Michael said. “No other officials were there over the next few days.” And on the spot, observers found two large parts of the fuselage, which were dotted as if they were fired from a machine gun.

          The New Strait Times also provides further evidence from Perry. He reinforced previous arguments with the assessment of retired Lufthansa pilot Peter Gaisenko. The former pilot also insists that in addition to the air-to-air missile, an automatic aircraft gun was used to destroy the liner. This was clearly indicated by the holes of the entrance and exit of shells concentrated around the cockpit. Judging by their diameter, the caliber of the damaging elements was somewhere around 30 mm. And just the automatic gun of this caliber is armed with the Ukrainian Su-25 flying with climb through the Malaysian Boeing on July 17th. It was recorded by means of objective control of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, which was then demonstrated at a press conference of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Together with the honest recognition of the Russian military that they could not fix the launch of a ground-to-air missile. As, however, the Americans could not bring such confirmation.
          http://www.ng.ru/armies/2014-08-19/2_boing.html
        2. zennon
          zennon 8 September 2014 21: 46
          +1
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          And I won’t be surprised at all if Europe and Malaysia have absolutely opposite conclusions.

          I agree. The surface-to-air version does not look well-to-do. Many have seen the fall of the plane. The second plane was seen. But the contrail is obligatory when launching the Buk. The trail lasts for more than a minute. There was nothing ... But if the air cannon explains a lot, one line in the cockpit and the crew won't have time to say meow!
  24. Romzes13
    Romzes13 8 September 2014 23: 48
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    Kiev, as usual, greatly underestimates the number of losses.