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War on the threshold

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War on the threshold


Today the war came close to the borders of Russia. You do not need to be a great strategist not to understand: tomorrow, having stepped over them, it will begin with us. Leaving out of the scope of the article idle talk on the topic: “when?” And “why?”, We will focus on finding the answer to the question: “Is our Army ready for it?”. Again, this is not about the level of equipment or the provision of modern models of equipment and weapons, but about the level of combat readiness of servicemen - specifically: the readiness of soldiers and officers ... to die in battle.

If only there was no war

Alas, we were deceived for many years, calling the Soviet army a school of life. In fact, the army, even for many years not at war, is rather a school of death. Here (especially in the army more contractual) are taught to fight professionally: that is, to destroy with less losses for oneself - to kill the enemy. But the enemy does not sleep, so losses are inevitable on both sides. For some reason, this elementary truth is often ignored by soldiers of “peace armies”, and their relatives have to remember it when the soldiers themselves fall into the number of battle losses.

Severely, but fairly, as soon as a war can be, called once a continuation of politics. It is said 200 years ago, but what has changed? They are still trying to drive the war “into the framework”, outlined by some pieces of paper in the form of treaties, non-aggression pacts, but it always easily breaks these obstacles. And the more humanity is zealous in its peacemaking efforts, the more sophisticated the process of killing their own kind becomes. New wars do not become more humane, and the killing of citizens of another country with the creation of weapons of mass destruction put on stream. All this is said to go to the main idea - are our soldiers ready to protect the people, the country and die if necessary? After all, in the family, school and even in the army we were convinced for a long time that the main thing, even in battle, is to survive! At any price! And this is correct in essence, and in no way contradicts logic, meaning, and human nature. Is it not for that mother gave birth to us? Life is the most valuable thing we have! Life is great! And given that the personnel army consists of men and women of reproductive age, and the leadership of the Armed Forces set a course for its rejuvenation, the question should be removed by itself. Let the Army march - chatter weapons only in parades and pleases the eye with spectacular “window dressings”: various air shows and tank biathlon. I, like, I’m sure you are “for!” With both hands. If it were not for one “but”: the war (be it wrong) comes in spite of the results of the most legitimate referendums on peace!

“If a war starts, I’ll quit”

The army is currently not deprived of the attention of the leadership of the country and the Ministry of Defense: exercises and trainings are constantly held in all its branches of command: tactical, operational and strategic; rearmament is in full swing, a package of laws has been adopted that stimulate interest in the service. All this implies a correspondingly high level of military and moral-psychological training of the military, therefore the country looks at its defenders with hope. I don’t want to doubt that our Army is still “stronger than all”, but life itself involuntarily makes us look into the future with alarm.

The fact is that after being laid off after 27 years of service, while continuing to live in a military camp, communicate with servicemen, I have the opportunity to study the interests and views of military personnel. Hence, doubts that scrape the hearts of the actual combat readiness of our soldiers and officers — that is, their willingness to protect the country, the people, if necessary, at the cost of their lives. And all the checks and “alarms”, according to which the level of combat readiness of subunits, formations, armies and districts is assessed and which surrender, as a rule, to “good and excellent”, have nothing to do with it. To the question: “Will today's Russian army stand to the death on the sacred frontiers of the Fatherland?” Only time will answer.

And why do I actually doubt it? Wary of the motivation for the service of the current military. I rarely find people among them who correspond to the high vocation of the defender of the Motherland, sincerely love their profession, are proud of it, and, as a result, live in the service even outside it: it was these “campaigners” that were enough for my officer corps and my father — also a military professional . Today, more and more often come across "businessmen" who came to the army with selfish motives. What is the reason? Complying with the decree of the President - Supreme Commander on transferring the Army to a contract basis, today it widely opened the gates of the checkpoint not only for "real men", as poster calls say, but also for all people of both sexes, including foreigners, who want to , if you do not improve your financial situation, then solve the housing and other issues. The fact that for the sake of this will have to risk life, to substitute the head modestly silent. Moreover, neither in the contract nor in the oath does anyone demand this: “I, (last name, first name, patronymic), solemnly swear allegiance to my Fatherland - the Russian Federation. I swear to follow piously the Constitution of the Russian Federation, strictly comply with the requirements of military regulations, orders of commanders and chiefs. I swear to fulfill the military duty worthily, to courageously defend the freedom, independence and constitutional order of Russia, the people and the Fatherland. ”

Today, the Army is no longer associated with feats, courage, generosity and danger, but with the office to solve housing and social problems: you go to work, called service, and the state undertakes to provide you with a set of benefits. But these benefits in the form of apartments and cars need alive. Why are they dead? Therefore, we had to hear such confessions of professional defenders, said in their spiritual simplicity: “And if a war starts, I will quit.”

Golden Double Bass

But do the state need defenders with such an approach to the case? After all service, service is, first of all: dedication, self-restraint and self-sacrifice, and not vice versa. And military service is a constant and complete readiness to lose something, to suffer somehow. And not only temporarily starving or not getting enough sleep, but giving all of oneself, all my life for others, for ideals, which at all times are not without reason called supreme. And therefore ideals have nothing to do with housing and financial issues that lie in another, lower plane. Well, it is impossible, in fact, to give life for an apartment? Shot from the hardship and adversity of the military quarters causes pity and is called the victim, and who fell in the battle for the Motherland deserves respect and is called a hero. This is the essence and courageous beauty of military service.

Romanticists, who went to the army to realize their youthful ideals and aspirations, which constituted the beauty and pride of military teams, according to military sociologists, (who have long been concerned about this alarm), are today less and less. And what do they do in the Army when all the romance disappears when confronted with the realities of service, where almost all colleagues, starting with the commanders, are obsessed with "grandmas": literally go with calculators, counting how much money is left until the end of the loan payment for a cool "car" "; how much has been accumulated in a personal account to buy an apartment and is there enough dough to hang out on holiday on some exotic islands? Alas, even such warriors today in many combat units are literally worth their weight in gold; here and there, they just do not blow dust particles away: God forbid they quit, what will spoil the indicators on the staffing of a part of them with contract soldiers. A familiar officer who served in one of the brigades that make up the rapid reaction force, with sadness and pain, told how, on command from above, they were forced to turn a blind eye to the various antics of the worn out "double basses". Even the most disciplined of them, exactly at 18.00, strive to leave home and accept the commanders' offers to enter the service on their "legal day off" with hostility.

"Look more often at the sky"

Alas ... the war is war, that its main task is to destroy the world, and with it all plans for the future and life in any variants. You were going to get married, just got an apartment and are planning to do some repairs or are waiting for a vacation to spend it in Bali, and here ... some kind of war. She does not only postpone our plans indefinitely: a non-played wedding, a postponed housewarming party or a trip to a resort. She often cancels life itself, which we love so much, we treasure and for the sake of the comfortable provision of which many went to serve in the Army! Therefore, to the disappointment of supporters of the contract army, I must say: a soldier who is burdened with solving his financial problems, to really fight (that is, to really risk his life) is very hard. This rule is repeatedly confirmed by all wars. The more the fighter is tied to the “ground”, the less one should expect from him feats of self-sacrifice. The more he is “cut off from the ground” - the higher his fighting spirit, contempt for death, the greater his fighting-readiness - the ability to die for ideals! "Look more often at Heaven, - my favorite bard Andrei Selivanov sings, - And in life everything will be different / Not in the sense of money and not in the sense of a dacha / A in the sense of bread and salt."

Take the events in Ukraine, where militias reinforced by volunteers and humanitarian aid from Russia are fighting, even if poorly trained, but the regular army of Ukraine, the national guard, the BTO, staffed for the most part with contract soldiers and volunteers. What is the difference between the Ukrainian security forces - the same, though confused, but Slavs - from ours? Worse armed and equipped? Do they have less money allowances or are they not patriots of their country? Bullshit! The equipment and weapons that they abandoned during the retreat indicate the opposite. And one of the main reasons (according to the interrogation of prisoners), on which the soldiers and officers went to war, was money. At the same time, judging by the abundance of national symbols on equipment and equipment, the Ukrainian army confidently occupies a leading position in the world in patriotism. Yes, and their battle cry: "Glory to Ukraine!" - "Heroes - Glory!" Quite spiritually lifted. Only here with combat readiness they are not so good. Have you heard anything about mass heroism or the exploits of the Ukrainian military? Me neither. But who will guarantee that our professionals, being surrounded by a situation or a situation involving a deadly risk, will act differently? At least our guardsmen of the paratroopers “lost” in Ukraine, being captured, looked no better than their Ukrainian colleagues.

We can also recall the events of twenty years ago - the “first Chechen war”, the participants of which are among us today: “... There were no feelings except one. And there was fear. Great fear. He ousted everything from the body, from the head, the brain. There was no longer a captain or a citizen Mironov, but there was only a lump of shit that was shaking with horror, which only wanted to survive. And that's all. Just survive. Here long-forgotten prayers are not remembered, but simply rushing into the darkness. Stumble, fly, without feeling pain from bruises, abrasions. Nothing but a chilling soul, a body of fear ..., ”recalled one of the participants in the notorious New Year’s storming of Grozny, Captain V. Mironov in his autobiographical book,“ I Was This War ”. The quotation is not intended to accuse him or someone of cowardice, because once in their place it is extremely difficult, it is almost impossible to control oneself, to control oneself.

However, “there were people in our time” who, in similar situations, having crossed the animal fear, committed the feat of self-sacrifice, preferring death to the shame of betrayal and disgrace! ... 84 of the Pskov paratrooper, who entered into an unequal battle with the superior forces of the enemy in February 2000 in the Argun gorge ... Guard captain 56 of the Guard RSB Aleksey Pavlenko, who closed the soldier with an unsuccessful throw of a military grenade in July 2010 ... Captured soldier border guard Yevgeny Rodionov, executed by thugs in May 1996 for his refusal to remove his cross ...

Such examples, thank God, in stories There is enough Russian Army, but all of them, albeit in the near, but past. And the war is on the threshold. So how ready is our army for it?
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  1. Deadmen
    Deadmen 6 September 2014 14: 59
    +85
    Are the armies that were about to set foot on the land of unconquered peoples ready to kick their aggressors gloriously for 1000 years?
    1. starshina78
      starshina78 6 September 2014 15: 46
      +99
      ".. are the armies ready to set foot on the ground ....", but does the author of the Deadmen comment know how NATO troops (and the war is meant with NATO) start a war? They inflict a huge number of Tomahawk strikes, air raids, and in a war with us, they will most likely use tactical non-nuclear missile weapons of enormous destructive power. Will our air defense be able to repel a massive raid? Under the USSR, yes! Now in question! Everything happens by analogy with 1941 - we are rearming! The old has fallen into disrepair, but the new is not enough! This is one thing, and the second, the most important, is that the people have become different! He tried luxury life (oysters, etc.), trips over the hill, expensive cars, cottages. Not all, but many have tried what was previously inaccessible to us, and the worldview of many people has changed dramatically! Many are no longer so ardent patriots, and in their words: “I have something to lose, and nothing to give my life for! "Like this ! But there are many more such factors that affect our defenses, not related to the army and navy. This is a complete absence of mobilization plans (remember earlier at all enterprises there were such plans - this is a transition to a certain type of military product, based on the capabilities of this enterprise, all vehicles, together with drivers working on this vehicles, should appear at the place of the mobilization collection at a certain time, and a number of other events), those that are is fiction! Enterprises prepare them in order to excuse themselves from military enlistment offices. And there are many - many other factors that show our unpreparedness for war. Therefore, our President is doing the right thing, trying by hook or by crook to prevent war.
      1. Deadmen
        Deadmen 6 September 2014 15: 52
        -29
        we will crush anyone.
        1. fif21
          fif21 6 September 2014 16: 11
          +62
          Quote: Deadmen
          we will crush anyone.
          Pasha's Mercedes also wanted to take Chechnya in a month fool I agree with the author. The army as a means of making money is a reality am Well, for the waiver of the contract in wartime, the death penalty is, I think sobering up many who want to earn extra money in the army.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 6 September 2014 16: 55
            +28
            Quote: fif21
            The army as a means of making money is a reality Well, for refusing a contract in wartime, the death penalty

            It’s too late to drink Borjomi in wartime, though do BMN!
            The military must be ready for war in the "peace".
            A contract army for a major armed conflict is a source of personnel for recruiting an army from the "armed people."
            And for this source to be "clean and reliable" it is required that professional service in the army is a person’s life choice, from KMB to a decent pension, and not a means to earn extra money, albeit in good faith, as in the production of gas in the "north".
            And in retirement, also serve if health allows an instructor, teacher, etc. in territorial defense.
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            2. severniy
              severniy 6 September 2014 18: 08
              +13
              Quote: starshina78
              ! Everything happens by analogy with 1941 - we are rearming! The old has fallen into disrepair, but the new is not enough!

              there are also enough new ones, although the statistics are from 10 and 12 years, but all the news: "The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided to spend 10 billion rubles on strengthening the country's defense. The list of purchased" military "equipment includes Porsche Cayenne, Mercedes Benz S600 and the most expensive BMW models, as well as the kit must include drivers. "; "According to ist-budget.ru, most often expensive foreign cars are ordered by the Ministry of Defense - since the beginning of the year more than 1,4 billion rubles have been spent on cars.", So there is something to go to the war ... smile
              1. severniy
                severniy 6 September 2014 18: 12
                +3
                there is an option to protect the homeland ...
                1. Koloradovatnik
                  Koloradovatnik 6 September 2014 18: 49
                  +50
                  Late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys fell off.
                  And ... what prevents us from raising our children, future defenders of our Motherland, in love for her, and not for Pepsi and Leiz? Show them non-American "blockbusters" (watch "Pirates of the XNUMXth Century" and you will understand why American "blockbusters" are only in quotes), as well as films like "They Fought for the Motherland"? Educate them on the example of eighty-four Pskov paratroopers and Kombat-Sun? Of course, it's easier to lie on the couch and think that Great Putin should do everything for you, even raise your children. But maybe let's start building Great Russia from ourselves?
                  PS Sorry for the errors, the android is wildly buggy.
                  1. Ulairy
                    Ulairy 6 September 2014 21: 49
                    +18
                    In, shake your hand, uh, "Coloradovatnik"? (I have never seen any quilted sweatshirts in Colorado, or harmful Yusov potato bugs, dressing for "warmth", bgy-gee). However - not the point ...
                    The bottom line is the elimination of political politics in the army in the 90s. Moreover, the company’s castle commander (starley or caps) is still called “political officer”, although he does not “teach” anything !! He distributes the "grandfathers" in the unit to household jobs in a nearby town, so that they do not interfere with the "spirits" of the guard duty and the performance characteristics in quiet classes to teach (where recruits safely sleep off). This nightmare of "tolerance" and "humanity" has become an epidemic in the army, after a couple of thugs beat off the kidneys of a cadet in CTU - the decomposition of the army reached its climax. Instead of drawing conclusions in the Ministry of Defense, returning the psychological training system, and already, finally, spending money not on ostentatious videos with bashing bricks with the head, but on mastering the principles of NATO war, with the study of their weapons, we are better than mutant eagles at the gate riveted, but we will disperse the future military elite "ski slides" or "walls in kindergarten" to build. What the hell is this school of political education? The boys have porridge in their heads from Ren-Tivi, mixed with sourdough from the half-digested brain "proto-Slavic paganism" !!! I doubt that they, the generation of the 90s, know that our enemies are not the unfortunate 2000 Kiev idiot bloggers and their zombie victims. (read enough full-time yegeshnye comments in the world trash heap)
                  2. Cadet787
                    Cadet787 6 September 2014 22: 32
                    +10
                    06.09.2014 - 21: 42
                    Militia reports on ceasefire violation: Ukrainians captured Telmanovo, firing from Happiness and Zolotoy, an attempt to capture Pervomaisk was repelled | Russian spring
                    Message from the militia Prokhorov:

                    They took Telmanovo dill, taking advantage of the fact that the militia did not expect their attack and hoped for a truce. During the battle, the militia managed to knock out several units of armored vehicles of punitive.
                    I have no information about the elimination of Melnichuk, the commander of the 2nd company of Aidar (together with the company) with the call sign "Grizzly" was destroyed.
                    Ukrainians from the city of Happiness opened fire on fighters of the LPR. Let's go figure it out.
                    Now they have recaptured an attempt to capture Pervomaisk - from the direction of Zolotoy, shelling began. Now they are working on Zolotoye (there is a large military base of dill).
                    Ukrainians also fired at Kirovsk (LNR), militias are forced to cover the positions of their artels in Popasnaya and at a checkpoint at Novotoshkovka (the checkpoint is on fire).
                    1. boozer
                      boozer 6 September 2014 23: 11
                      +14
                      May there be no peace in the former Ukraine! This is not in the plans of the "mattress makers", I think on Monday it will rush with even more brutal force! And there won't be any "boilers", well, they are not fools at all. The rested and rested forces will be deployed, they will stupidly beat from afar with art and "Grad" and slowly squeeze back to Donetsk and Lugansk. And one more thing, as a rule, at NATO summits a closed, non-public decision is made, as was the case with Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq. I feel that NATO will fit into Ukraine! So gentlemen, everything is just beginning!
                    2. Koltsov norm
                      Koltsov norm 6 September 2014 23: 13
                      +4
                      then gutting ... oh again repeated his truce trick. as the first time uses the ceasefire to regroup and pull troops. it is clear, well ... and the burning guys from the Donbass Army almost took Mariupol. here's a bastard. and people pulled back, hoping that dill would not deceive!
                    3. 9057654472
                      9057654472 6 September 2014 23: 31
                      +4
                      Yes, do not flatter yourself, there will be no ceasefire, more information about the militias not observing the ceasefire regime will go, it’s already passed
                    4. shershen
                      shershen 7 September 2014 21: 55
                      +2
                      All this mouse fuss, these truces, is nothing more than a distracting maneuver.
                      Or did someone naively think that dill would withdraw troops? The truce at the moment Kiev is more profitable in strategic terms than Doneku and everyone understands this.
                      They say: "Russia in the person of Putin is helping to establish peace."
                      But this is all the lyrics, and the reality is that Russia in the person of Putin, initiating a truce, allows the Kiev junta to implement strategic plans for regrouping troops.
                      "Russia is sending humanitarian aid" sounds great, but also lyrics in general, the volume of humanitarian aid for the scale of the DPR and LPR is insignificant, purely symbolic (Russia will soon have an election, before the people you need to look white and fluffy).
                      In general, as always, behind a beautiful signboard is dirty politics.
                      I am very disappointed that Russia is participating in this filth.
                  3. Giacint a
                    Giacint a 7 September 2014 00: 48
                    +1
                    But you must admit that in our time the Hero was not given a hero for the mess and the unpreparedness of a practical training with throwing combat OFFENSIVE grenades, but they were fought like dogs from KV to the district commander. Mass professionalism does not even limp, but crawls on crutches.
                  4. oratai104
                    oratai104 7 September 2014 01: 12
                    +14
                    The whole point is said here. I'll just add a little. I know. that the Lord made me the rector of a small church. I'm responsible for her. Everyone wants children to respect us and grandchildren to love us. So that the generation that will replace us, loves its home, small and large homeland, respects the elders, protects the younger. The young men were the defenders of the girls, which means, in the future, their chosen one. We all want women to be feminine, not sexy. Yes, a lot of what we want - reasonable, honest, fair, bright. Only when you listen to stories about problems with your own children, you only hear: "I dressed (la), bought (la), plowed (la), etc. And upbringing, brothers, is to invest your soul, to hear confession and repentance, yes to forgive, yes to advise, yes to protect (including from TV and computer, until maturation), yes to support and direct where necessary (we said that we want). Love. And love is mutual responsibility, mutual obligations, mutual Somehow, I lamented that, in material terms, I could not give the children something. And they looked at me with their eyes in surprise and said: "Daddy, we had everything in childhood, what are you doing?" in their childhood, that is, in those very 90s, I collected beer bottles on a morning jog to buy bread. Yes, on vacation, I worked as a loader at a vegetable base to collect for school. The rest of the time, I served honestly, although scanty d / s, but not paid for several months. Whoever remembers, he knows. So, all of us, more often to look into the sky.
                2. I am
                  I am 6 September 2014 21: 29
                  +2
                  No, don't look. Put it on UAZ !!!!
                3. 9057654472
                  9057654472 6 September 2014 23: 26
                  0
                  Not this is not the defender of the Fatherland, this is the defender of his property and it is not clear where this machine gun is directed
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 6 September 2014 18: 49
                +4
                Quote: severniy
                strengthening the country's defenses 10 billion rubles

                In fact, trillions are spent on defense, not billions. Of course, something will also go to expensive company cars, and this must be fought, but on the whole we are moving in the right direction.
                1. shershen
                  shershen 7 September 2014 22: 03
                  +2
                  A bit annoying is the abundance of frank show from the series "the armor is strong and our tanks are fast." Usually, where the show starts, they hide a very unsightly reality. The situation is unpleasantly reminiscent of the 1940s, there was also an abundance of military ostentation, the result - 1941 - cars against tanks, mountains of corpses.
            3. matross
              matross 6 September 2014 20: 22
              +9
              Quote: Alekseev
              A contract army for a major armed conflict is a source of personnel for recruiting an army from the "armed people."

              Yes, source. The ones that survive in a couple of weeks. A peacetime army is designed to repel the first strike (or strike). If we are discussing a possible "big war", it will have to be waged by the people, the mobreserve. So the author identified the problem as serious, but not the main one. And the main thing is the preparation of this very mob reserve, the preparation of industry for a quick transition to the production of military products, so that there is something to equip the reserve with, the reanimation of the civil defense and protection system in order to maintain the same reserve during the first strike. Well, patriotic education for children and those who consider themselves adults, brainwashing "on the contrary" - in this, however, Ukraine has already helped quite well ...
              1. Tartary
                Tartary 7 September 2014 04: 12
                0
                Quote: matRoss
                Yes, source. The ones that survive in a couple of weeks. A peacetime army is designed to repel the first strike (or strike). If we are discussing a possible "big war", it will have to be waged by the people, the mobreserve. So the author identified the problem as serious, but not the main one.

                So the author of the article, with some of his statements, reminded me of the "daughter of an officer who knows everything because she lives there and sees everything with her own eyes" ...)))
                Quote: matRoss
                And the main thing is the preparation of this very mob-reserve, the preparation of industry for a quick transition to the production of military products, so that there is something to equip the reserve with, the reanimation of the civil defense and protection system in order to maintain the same reserve during the first strike. Well, patriotic education for children and those who consider themselves adults, brainwashing "on the contrary" - in this, however, Ukraine has already helped quite well ...

                Absolutely in a cap! It should be borne in mind that a very large percentage of potential reservists, in connection with the events of recent months, seem to be sitting peacefully on the priest and do not go to the militia of Novorossiya, but they are waiting for the hour "H" and the Supreme command to be part of the regional troops. pound on the foe ...
            4. pahom54
              pahom54 6 September 2014 20: 48
              +3
              for alexeyev


              the contract army most likely should not be a source, but boned to equip the army with an "armed people" - he is precisely source of "building muscle" of the army ...
            5. 9057654472
              9057654472 6 September 2014 23: 20
              +5
              The contractor of the Soviet era is basically a force, but in modern conditions, which salabon can do for a year of service, he still hasn’t digested his mother’s pies, what the army can teach him in one year, especially in the Navy.
              1. oratai104
                oratai104 7 September 2014 00: 42
                +1
                I would not say that salabon. After about a year of service in the SA, he became a fighter, and after a year he matured. Two years later, he was already a real fighter. And today, he becomes a contractor in a year, so he’s already a soldier. Well, in the second year it strengthens. By signing the second contract, that is, in a year + three, decently trained fighters. Everything depends on the commander, this is true, impassable.
                1. Tartary
                  Tartary 7 September 2014 04: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: oratai104
                  I would not say that salabon. After about a year of service in the SA, he became a fighter, and after a year he matured. Two years later, he was already a real fighter. And today, he becomes a contractor in a year, so he’s already a soldier. Well, in the second year it strengthens. By signing the second contract, that is, in a year + three, decently trained fighters. Everything depends on the commander, this is true, impassable.

                  Obviously, the enemies of Russia put their minuses to your correct comment and to their minuses, who dream of reformatting the minds of citizens through ratings to comments on serious topics, encrypted by readers on more or less adequate sites ...
                  There is a minus, and the arguments, the villain, carried away with him, without sharing ...)))
              2. Tartary
                Tartary 7 September 2014 04: 17
                0
                Quote: 9057654472
                The contractor of the Soviet era is basically a force, but in modern conditions, which salabon can do for a year of service, he still hasn’t digested his mother’s pies, what the army can teach him in one year, especially in the Navy.

                Yeah ... Time for conscripts - not enough ...
                And about the "pies" - that's right.
                But after all, it was said at the same time that the reduction of military service was aimed at ensuring that a young conscript for such a short service life could determine the feasibility of continuing service under a contract ...
            6. Cadet787
              Cadet787 6 September 2014 23: 22
              +12
              In Slavyansk, the teaching of the Russian language is prohibited
              06.09.2014 - 21: 15

              The Ukrainian authorities banned the teaching of the Russian language in secondary schools in Slavyansk. This was reported by sources in Novorossia.
              Instead, German lessons were forcibly introduced: exemplary Ukrainian "students" of the Nazis try to imitate their predecessors in everything.
              Of the innovations of other punitive in the field of education: all schools were transferred to a six-day period, ostensibly so as not to spend money on heating schools in the winter.
              In this regard, the leadership of the DPR and LPR should reconsider their attitude to teaching the Ukrainian language in the territory they control, since it is the Ukrainian philologists who are the main carriers of the Bandera ideology and the main backbone of the pro-Kiev "fifth column" in Novorossia.

              Here, to you, and the special status of the Russian language, this once again proves that it is impossible to negotiate with ukrofashists, a good fascist, a dead fascist.
              1. Cristall
                Cristall 8 September 2014 00: 14
                0
                Quote: Cadet787
                In Slavyansk, the teaching of the Russian language is prohibited

                except for the notorious "sources of Novorossiya", no data and evidence.
                Throughout Ukraine it means you can Russian - but in one city you can’t?
                The delusional message of the information war ..
            7. dyremar 66
              dyremar 66 7 September 2014 01: 35
              +4
              I despise modern contrabasses — how many I know — money without ideals. I personally didn’t sign the contract retroactively in 96 as part of and received the money and still don’t try to knock it out — only the military registration and enlistment office issued me after all ... not for that we went to hollow spirits to receive money ...
              1. DV69
                DV69 7 September 2014 01: 48
                +1
                Quote: dyremar 66 rus
                I despise modern contrabasses — how many I know — money without ideals. I personally didn’t sign the contract retroactively in 96 as part of and received the money and still don’t try to knock it out — only the military registration and enlistment office issued me after all ... not for that we went to hollow spirits to receive money ...


                Which regiment served?
            8. Cadet787
              Cadet787 7 September 2014 20: 06
              0
              07.09.2014 - 19: 10
              In Telmanovo, the APU front armored vehicles went to the militia | Russian spring

              On August 24, a military parade in honor of Independence Day was held in Kiev. Ukrainian troops, at the glee of the public, solemnly left "from the parade to the front" to the war with the "terrorists".
              A third of the troops on the road was lost, those who reached the destination suffered the fate of all the other occupying forces invading the Donbass - the people's militia invariably beats and destroys them.
              Military personnel of the Armed Forces of New Russia captured during the fighting near the Telmanovo District Center armored vehicles participating in a military parade in Kiev on Independence Day of Ukraine.
              The liberated district center of Telmanovo again became a place of fierce fighting when, on the night of September 6, it was suddenly attacked by punishers who managed to drive the militia out of the village. However, the Ukrainian security forces suffered serious losses and could not gain a foothold. And as a result, after several hours, they were forced to leave the district center and retreat in the direction of Volnovakha.
              On the battlefield, the punitive left a significant amount of damaged equipment, inherited by the militia. During the inspection of the trophies, it was found that some of the cars moved in ceremonial calculations for Khreshchatyk on August 24.
            9. Cadet787
              Cadet787 7 September 2014 20: 10
              +1
              07.09.2014 - 19: 18
              Information bulletin of the Southeast Army for September 7: the enemy does not stop the provocation, an attempt was made to break out of Donetsk airport | Russian spring
              During the day, the situation has not undergone significant changes and remains tense.
              Ukrainian fascists actively carried out provocations in order to disrupt the agreements reached in the negotiations of the contact group in Minsk and further blame the militias for this.
              In the Donetsk direction, the troops of the Kiev junta regrouped units to occupy more advantageous areas and borders. During the day, they ceased ceasefire seven times.
              From 2.00 to 08.00, in order to provoke the militia into retaliatory actions, from Yelenovka at the militia positions in the Yenakiyevo area, indiscriminate firing was carried out from armored personnel carriers.
              At 8.30, taking advantage of the observance of the ceasefire by the army of the DNI, an attempt to break out of the encirclement, with the support of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, was undertaken by a subunit of a group of punishers blocked in the Donetsk airport area, with a total number of more than one hundred people. Having suffered significant losses, the invaders rolled back to their previous positions.
              At 09.30 the positions of the militia units in the vicinity of the Donetsk airport were fired by multiple launch rocket systems from the Orechino region and at 10.30 from mortars from the side of Avdeevka. Two militias died, three were injured.
              At 13.00, the Nazis fired using the Grad MLRS from the airport area at the positions of the DPR forces in the area of ​​the village of Yasinovatoe. Residential areas of the city were also shelled. One house is destroyed. A local resident was injured.
              At 13.45, a militia checkpoint in the Olkhovka area was fired by a sniper. One militia was killed.
              At 14.10, Ukrainian military personnel fired at the positions of DPR units near the Donetsk airport from BMP weapons. Two militias injured.
              In the Lugansk direction, the enemy forces were in previously occupied positions.
              The activity of sabotage and reconnaissance groups of punishers has intensified. In violation of the ceasefire at 14.20, the junta fired on small arms from the Southeast Army checkpoint located in the area of ​​Vesyolaya Gora. One militia died. During the anti-sabotage measures, two saboteurs were captured.
              In the Mariupol direction, the situation did not undergo significant changes. The Nazis, occupying the defense in Mariupol, are building additional fortifications on the outskirts of the city.
              During the day, eight cases of violation by the enemy of ceasefire agreements reached at the talks of the contact group in Minsk were recorded, as a result of which four people were killed and six wounded.
            10. Cadet787
              Cadet787 7 September 2014 20: 15
              +1
              Detachments "ukropyugend" are formed in the military enlistment offices of Kharkov
              07.09.2014 - 17: 00

              In Kharkov, formations are being hastily created for conducting military operations in the city. The military psychosis of the Kiev junta led to the fact that the military commissariats of the city are recruiting volunteers in units for the defense of the city in case of a militia, the agency Voenkor.info reports.
              "The junta continues to build fortifications on the outskirts of the capital of Slobozhanshchina: trenches are being concreted, caponiers and long-term firing points are being built, designed for a direct hit from a heavy artillery shell," the message says.
              Similar mobilization measures and fortifications are also carried out in Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk.

              AFRAID, MEAN RESPECT.
          2. sgazeev
            sgazeev 6 September 2014 16: 58
            +6
            Quote: fif21
            Quote: Deadmen
            we will crush anyone.
            Pasha's Mercedes also wanted to take Chechnya in a month fool I agree with the author. The army as a means of making money is a reality am Well, for the waiver of the contract in wartime, the death penalty is, I think sobering up many who want to earn extra money in the army.

            And in the last war they did not fight without money. There was a minimum of makhorka, soap, figuratively, the family had a food certificate, for the difference they received "bonuses" or an award. There are Ukropov examples. Training is needed, even of paramount importance, but the main thing is to constantly keep the nose downwind, everything falls on reconnaissance and on the troops of the first strike, for that they are strategic.
            1. Dembel
              Dembel 6 September 2014 17: 33
              +2
              What kind of strategic troops are the first blow? Figured it out myself?
              1. andj61
                andj61 6 September 2014 21: 28
                +4
                Quote: Dembel
                What kind of strategic troops are the first blow? Figured it out myself?

                In principle, the strategic nuclear triad is the first strike forces. Indeed, if you miss a beat for several tens of minutes, then its effectiveness is significantly reduced. This is a weapon designed to destroy a foreign country, that is, a weapon of the first - and last blow.
                In principle, our presence of a nuclear triad guarantees the existence of our country. The balance of fear is such a strong thing. which allows us to leave our country intact, despite the fact that NATO militarily surpasses us every eight times.
                1. oratai104
                  oratai104 7 September 2014 00: 33
                  +1
                  I very much agree with you. Parity, i.e. equilibrium. The triad is, fortunately, the last argument in action. And, to the same, fortunately, its presence a priori cools hot heads. However, as we see, they attack, not directly, but indirectly and very harshly. The RF Armed Forces are important here, in general, as a powerful argument in politics.
                2. shershen
                  shershen 7 September 2014 22: 07
                  +1
                  In general, I believe that we are still alive only thanks to the vast territories and Strategic Rocket Forces.
            2. asar
              asar 6 September 2014 23: 10
              +7
              Guys! You need to start from scratch! From school! More seriously and sensibly: at the NVP lessons, we were taught to disassemble and assemble the Kalash, and shoot, and run with the Kalash, and a lot more! And there was patriotism, not hurray-patriotism!
          3. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 6 September 2014 19: 54
            -7
            Quote: fif21
            a waiver of a contract in time of war is the death penalty

            In wartime, they don’t particularly stand on ceremony at all. If Joseph Vissarionitch persuaded the people to join the army, the Germans would win. Nevertheless, in any film about the war, restaurants are bursting with well-fed civilians. Or take Chernobyl. A police outfit arrives with a summons and forth, to fees.
            The question whether people are ready to die is also interesting. Who will have the opportunity to leave the country will leave. The sons of officials are also unlikely to go, apparently by analogy with Ukraine. The key question: what to fight for? I remember France was not embarrassed to surrender twice, the Japanese and Germans too live quite yourself, despite losing the war
            1. oratai104
              oratai104 7 September 2014 00: 02
              +1
              As far as I remember, right after the Chernobyl accident, our company, with almost all the personnel, wrote reports to the Chernobyl zone. So what about the police, you probably got excited. Either you or we were too young then. As for the training camp, this has always been a problem for some, not very, significant number of assignees (family, work, summer residence, etc.). This is a common thing at all times.
              1. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 7 September 2014 08: 56
                0
                Quote: oratai104
                So what about the police, you probably got excited

                Rota is possible. I meant civilian, reserve personnel
                It's no secret that about 600000 people passed through Chernobyl
            2. Giacint a
              Giacint a 7 September 2014 00: 50
              +1
              And they sing: "God be glorified America"?
            3. kuz363
              kuz363 7 September 2014 22: 52
              +1
              The first to flee Russia are of course deputies, officials, ministers and other oligarchs. The war will probably begin as non-nuclear. Time will escape on private jets. With the mass launch of non-nuclear missiles, Russian air defense will certainly drown. Russia will lose a non-nuclear war judging by the difference in armaments and NATO strength. And most importantly, is Putin’s determination to use tactical nuclear weapons enough if something goes wrong? I doubt very much, because it will be a full-blown nuclear war. Can surrender and everyone will survive?
          4. stranik72
            stranik72 6 September 2014 20: 50
            +20
            fif21
            "Pasha" Mercedes "also wanted to take Chechnya in a month"
            The young man whom you write about was a Hero of the USSR and one of the best airborne generals who fought in Afghanistan, was respected by soldiers and division officers. He graduated from the Academy of the General Staff of the USSR and when he said that he was ready to take Grozny with one regiment, given the possibilities with all the given forces and means, according to the rules of warfare, that would be so. But politicians intervened, and it wasn’t the fault of General Grachev that it turned out the way he did, he answered for this, including the insulting nickname that he knew about. So, in my opinion it is worthless to humiliate a person who did not receive his title on the floor and the deceased here on this site. Throwing ficks in the dead, nothing worth building cannot be built, including the army. And back in the 90s, thanks only to Generals Rodionov, Grachev, Sergeyev, there was at least something left of the army that our liberals actually proposed you saw on a tubaretkin.
            1. asar
              asar 6 September 2014 23: 50
              +1
              stranik72
              !!!!!Totally agree! Good comment worthy!
            2. oratai104
              oratai104 7 September 2014 00: 17
              +1
              I will support. Moreover, the words about the regiment were taken out of context. Remember the relationship of the oligarchic media (there were no others): a) towards our Armed Forces (federals and rebels); b) the media served the interests of those who benefited from the war, as it is now in Ukraine; c) the army was seriously finished off with betrayals, starting with Gorbachev in the Caucasus, Middle Asia, it seems, and across Transnistria, then Yeltsin and BAB; plus the general collapse of the state. And finally, what did the phrase sound like? "Give me a regiment staffed by the children of our deputies and members of the government, and I will take Grozny ..." I am writing, remembering, so I may be slightly mistaken in the construction of words, but this was the meaning. I remember because, I remember, not only that. Almost everything was like it is now in Ukraine. We went through this in the 90s. It has come to them now. I have, in view of the collapse of statehood, no more. Huge similarities in the military theme. By the way, they have many heroes, in the soldier's sense of this definition (personal courage). Just the facts.
            3. kompotnenado
              kompotnenado 7 September 2014 12: 42
              +2
              The nickname Pasha "Mercedes" was thrown in by the MK Kobzon's gavnovozka for the fact that Grachev sent Kobzon in some kind of arms deal. Then the kobzon traded in weapons.
              1. tolancop
                tolancop 7 September 2014 23: 38
                +1
                I don't know who glued Pasha-Mercedes to Grachev. But I remember very well at the beginning of the first Chechen war, absurd excuses for questions about how the tanks and crews of the Kantemirovsk division ended up in Chechnya - something like "left on their own, without permission."
            4. tolancop
              tolancop 7 September 2014 23: 35
              0
              Grachev, apparently, was a very good commander of DIVISION. But the MINISTER was very bad. There is no contradiction here. Any employee has a CEILING. And to any position you need to GROW. Ignoring the indicated 2 factors always leads to disastrous results, which Grachev proved again.
          5. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 September 2014 22: 17
            +1
            Quote: fif21
            Pasha's Mercedes also wanted to take Chechnya in a month

            theoretically he could if he acted wisely.
            I would have waited a bit there already the spiders began to eat each other, after quietly the specialists could cut off the particularly odious survivors, and he did just like PARAShanko got a bunch of bloodlines
            1. DV69
              DV69 6 September 2014 22: 20
              +2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Quote: fif21
              Pasha's Mercedes also wanted to take Chechnya in a month

              theoretically he could if he acted wisely.
              I would have waited a bit there already the spiders began to eat each other, after quietly the specialists could cut off the particularly odious survivors, and he did just like PARAShanko got a bunch of bloodlines

              Not. Not this way. He could if he had a Soviet Army subordinate to him.
          6. biznaw
            biznaw 7 September 2014 00: 27
            +3
            Quote: fif21
            Quote: Deadmen
            we will crush anyone.
            Pasha's Mercedes also wanted to take Chechnya in a month fool I agree with the author. The army as a means of making money is a reality am Well, for the waiver of the contract in wartime, the death penalty is, I think sobering up many who want to earn extra money in the army.


            Not pi_di, Pasha is just the only one who spoke out against the storming of Grozny at a meeting at EBNuty.
          7. Giacint a
            Giacint a 7 September 2014 00: 41
            +1
            Separating the cutlets from the flies. You can quit in case of local conflicts (he himself, instead of the "hero", went beyond the river in 2 days from the ZabVO), but the world is struggling. So either the chest or the female will have to be substituted, the choice is inevitable. Personnel units are mostly suicide bombers for mobilization.
          8. bda
            bda 7 September 2014 14: 36
            0
            fif21
            The army as a means of making money is a reality

            The army as a means of making money is a reflection of the life paradigm of a significant (if not more) part of our society in which life success has become associated with the thickness of a wallet.

            It is useless to try to redraw the brains only directly for military personnel - it is necessary to carry out purposeful and consistent work on the formation of national patriotic values ​​for the whole society (naturally, not all society will accept it, but the system should work so that those remaining in dissidents must become moral outcasts).

            And more:
            let the corresponding atheistic contingent mold me with ecstasy, but it’s realistic to provide mass education of young people in readiness for self-sacrifice is possible only on a religious basis (for Russia, this is Orthodoxy and traditional Islam - meaning without Wahhabi and other extremist layers).
            1. tolancop
              tolancop 7 September 2014 23: 41
              0
              "It is possible to really ensure the mass education of young people in readiness for self-sacrifice only on a religious basis."
              Stupidity is utter. The generation that won the Second World War were mostly atheists, which did not prevent them from loving their motherland and giving their lives for it.
          9. sazhka4
            sazhka4 8 September 2014 07: 30
            0
            Quote: fif21
            and for the waiver of the contract in wartime, the death penalty is, I think sobering up many who want to earn extra money in the army.

            Why is that? A man who just didn’t have enough money to pay for the Service in the Army. The Vicissitudes of Fate. After all, it’s really strange. Russia is like that.
        2. internatio
          internatio 6 September 2014 16: 32
          +28
          Punishment is extremely dangerous in the modern world. The 5th column has not yet been hit. Many opponents of the government and the country openly lead propaganda in favor of the west. Three modern destroyers in the Black Sea, which will cover Crimea and the entire South-East of Ukraine in 10 minutes with missiles, and the task is to prevent them from launching missiles. Yes, you need to believe in our country and the power of its forces. And it is necessary. But everyone should be ready to defend Russia.
          1. kartalovkolya
            kartalovkolya 6 September 2014 17: 06
            +12
            Yeah right now: before you run to the pot, you better remember the "ordeals" of the super-duper American trough "Donald Cook", whom the unarmed Su-24 drove through the sea as a "naughty cat" and none of Cook's weapons system worked, but now in the Crimea there are "Bastions" blocking the World Cup to the straits, Tu-22M3 are based and a lot of things that can forever discourage the hunt to cover Russia with their missiles, but they will not even have time to aim them at objects, as they will make "bul-bul"!
            1. sergkar
              sergkar 6 September 2014 17: 49
              +16
              Quote: kartalovkolya
              remember the "ordeals" of the super - duper amerovskoy trough "Donald Cook", which the unarmed Su-24 drove across the sea as a "naughty cat" and none of Cook's weapons system worked

              Continuing the theme: Recently I talked with one officer "in the subject." In his words: Drying went not 12, but 4 times. It was completely empty. But she worked under the cover of another aircraft, a completely different type, on which the Khibiny complex was installed. Commander Drying, as a reward, is studying in the 1st year of the academy! Something like this!
            2. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 6 September 2014 19: 59
              0
              Quote: kartalovkolya
              and none of Cook's weapons system worked, and now in Crimea there are "Bastions" covering the World Cup to the straits, Tu-22M3 are based and a lot of things that can forever discourage the hunt to cover Russia with their missiles, but they will not even have time to aim them at objects

              And what, they had to bring down Drying?
              Preventive strike and preemptive strike first
              1. andj61
                andj61 6 September 2014 21: 36
                +2
                Quote: Pilat2009
                And what, they had to bring down Drying?
                Preventive strike and preemptive strike first

                Shoot down - not shoot down, but completely "work out" on the plane until the moment the "start" button was pressed! that's what they usually do. But they did not work, or could not work because of the actions of the opposing side, that is, in real combat conditions, the ship would have been destroyed.
            3. asar
              asar 7 September 2014 00: 18
              +2
              Guys! Just honestly, from the heart - no matter how I would like war, by God! Raise children, and by yourself, comrade officers, you must admit that hunting will also survive! And that’s all - business trips, business trips! I want to go fishing, and that's it! And without any challenges ... on a business trip!
          2. andj61
            andj61 6 September 2014 21: 33
            +1
            Quote: internatio
            With modern destroyers in the Black Sea, which will cover the Crimea and the entire South-East of Ukraine in 10 minutes, the goal is to prevent them from launching missiles.

            Just the destroyers are not terrible, they can have only a very limited number of missile defense systems, with which coastal and naval air defense can easily cope. the more so, their number is extremely limited by the Montreux convention:
            The Montreux Convention retains the freedom of passage through the strait for merchant ships of all countries in both peacetime and wartime. However, the mode of passage of warships is different in relation to the Black Sea and non-Black Sea states. Subject to prior notification by the Turkish authorities, the Black Sea powers can navigate their warships of any class through the straits in peacetime. Significant class restrictions have been introduced for warships of non-Black Sea powers (only small surface ships pass) and tonnage. The total tonnage of military vessels of non-Black Sea states in the Black Sea should not exceed 30 thousand tons (with the possibility of increasing this maximum to 45 thousand tons in case of an increase in the naval forces of the Black Sea countries) with a stay of not more than 21 days. In the case of Turkey’s participation in the war, and also if Turkey considers that it is directly threatened by war, it is granted the right to allow or prohibit passage of any military vessels through the straits. During a war in which Turkey is not participating, the straits should be closed to the passage of military vessels of any belligerent nation.
          3. Raskolnik
            Raskolnik 6 September 2014 23: 33
            0
            Quote: internatio
            Punishment is extremely dangerous in the modern world. The 5th column has not yet been hit. Many opponents of the government and the country openly lead propaganda in favor of the west. Three modern destroyers in the Black Sea, which will cover Crimea and the entire South-East of Ukraine in 10 minutes with missiles, and the task is to prevent them from launching missiles. Yes, you need to believe in our country and the power of its forces. And it is necessary. But everyone should be ready to defend Russia.

            The Black Sea is shot diagonally. Air defense divisions were deployed in Crimea, just to protect against attacks from the sea. After the first bunch, these destroyers will be sunk immediately. The game is not worth the candle
          4. shershen
            shershen 7 September 2014 22: 18
            +2
            Beautiful words are certainly good, but you also need motivation.
            Imagine: a soldier sits in a trench and reads a leaflet that fell from an airplane with something like this: "Russian soldier, while you are freezing and starving in damp trenches, the children of officials and oligarchs are drinking cocktails in a pool with prostitutes, your wife and children are being raped and killed by bandits and guest workers under the auspices of the police. "
            Well, whether something like that. The soldier must be 100% sure that everything is in order at home. First of all, you need to motivate people to fight, otherwise than in the first world - "fraternization" and mass desertion.
        3. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo 6 September 2014 16: 58
          +3
          we will crush anyone.

          You are definitely sure that UNDER THE BANNER WHICH IS DRAWNED FOR MILLIONS OF CHUBAS (insert other names here - Abramovich, ... Deripaska ... Khodorovsky ... and other others at your discretion). FORWARD TO VICTORY! TO THE ENEMY ! " will we crush all our enemies? But quite recently, this is what the serving people called for ... and even more can be said ... it is that leader ... who actively advocated such ideas, still holds one of the highest government posts in RUSSIA! ...
          1. Dembel
            Dembel 6 September 2014 17: 38
            +10
            I don’t know what words you found on this banner, but personally I swore an oath to him, which means Russia.
          2. STALGRAD76
            STALGRAD76 6 September 2014 19: 02
            +3
            Are you sure that, for example, in WW I, Russia did not have its own "oligarchs" and in World War II, there were probably also people who were not poor, you will protect your homeland and not the interests of anyone else.
          3. sergeybulkin
            sergeybulkin 6 September 2014 19: 49
            +1
            You are definitely sure that UNDER THE BANNER WHICH IS DRAWNED FOR MILLIONS OF CHUBAS (insert other names here - Abramovich, ... Deripaska ... Khodorovsky ... and other others at your discretion

            First, we will kill the aggressors, then we will deal with this fifth column ...
          4. Tourist
            Tourist 6 September 2014 19: 53
            +10
            Quote: KazaK Bo
            we will crush anyone.

            You are definitely sure that UNDER THE BANNER WHICH IS DRAWNED FOR MILLIONS OF CHUBAS (insert other names here - Abramovich, ... Deripaska ... Khodorovsky ... and other others at your discretion). FORWARD TO VICTORY! TO THE ENEMY ! " will we crush all our enemies? But quite recently, this is what the serving people called for ... and even more can be said ... it is that leader ... who actively advocated such ideas, still holds one of the highest government posts in RUSSIA! ...
            Perhaps this is written on your banners.
            If I have to fight, I will do it first of all for the sake of my relatives: mother, wife, children.
          5. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 September 2014 22: 21
            +2
            Quote: KazaK Bo
            You are definitely sure that UNDER THE BANNER WHICH IS DRAWNED FOR MILLIONS OF CHUBAS

            and where did you see such a banner?
          6. Giacint a
            Giacint a 7 September 2014 00: 58
            +2
            The 1st World demolished several empires and redrawn the maps, the 2nd created a bipolar world, the 3rd either destroys or creates humanity, as a planetary association of people aimed at scientific progress and expansion of a person as a species. And so you yourself know the money with whom and for whom they work all over the world.
        4. Момент
          Момент 6 September 2014 17: 01
          +21
          Is there a way out? It’s America and Europe who are bullying and imposing their own rules of the game. And we are defending ourselves.
          1. sub307
            sub307 7 September 2014 10: 43
            +1
            There is only one way out - to deliver a preemptive "disarming" strike, leaving no chance of a retaliatory "move".
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        7. creak
          creak 6 September 2014 18: 41
          -2
          quote = Deadmen]
          we will crush anyone. [/ quote]

          And if there aren’t enough hats?
          1. Barakuda
            Barakuda 6 September 2014 19: 10
            +11
            Then let’s let out special forces bears, reckless deer and fighting bees. laughing
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 6 September 2014 22: 26
              +2
              Quote: Barracuda
              fighting bees.

              you can start with them, bears will not be needed
        8. Argyn
          Argyn 6 September 2014 20: 02
          +6
          Quote: Deadmen
          we will crush anyone

          Overestimating yourself and underestimating the enemy is punishable by beating yourself and your beloved humiliation. Even the American rangers, underestimating the Somali militants, washed their face with blood and barely blew their feet under the cover of the armor of the UN column. We’ll tear one thing to shout, but NATO’s air and armor fleets are numerically superior to Russian ones. And alas, the people are changing, Rome in the beginning and in the middle rested on patriotic citizens, but their luxurious life turned most of them into cattle and Rome fell at the hands of barbarians.
          1. LvKiller
            LvKiller 6 September 2014 23: 06
            +11
            Tired, by God ... How many opinions and all are so smart. Let's start with the main thing: have you seen a map of the Russian Federation? Have you tried to calculate how much and what is needed for aggression on such a territory? Does the other side have it? The one that "issued from a bunch of" axes "and aircraft." Will the "axes", excuse me, grow in dangerous quantities in an open field, or do they need to be delivered there? Are we going to watch someone carry something there? Second, we always judge the enemy by ourselves. And this is good. When he comes and it turns out that he is good, like any inhabitant of Europe, then again, this is a trump card for us. Third: high-precision weapons are quite expensive, that is, you cannot make millions of them and flood the whole world with them. That is, the cheapest, primitive, and therefore reliable weapon will actually fight. All these "fifth generations" are from the evil one, there are very few of them, and in reality they will not make the weather against a modern army. In addition, there is a banal cunning and ingenuity. And finally ... do all the protesters really think that the whole West, OUTSTANDING, wants this war?
            1. Raskolnik
              Raskolnik 6 September 2014 23: 27
              +3
              Quote: LvKiller
              And finally ... the all-prowlers really think that the whole west, REFERRELY, desires this war?
              In general, only the Balts with the Poles want our death. The rest are somehow afraid
            2. tomket
              tomket 7 September 2014 01: 00
              +3
              Quote: LvKiller
              Have you tried to calculate how much and what is needed for aggression on such a territory?

              Even Genghis Khan considered the most important task-the destruction of enemy forces, and not the seizure of territory and squares. Destroy the troops, the earth itself will fall into your hands. You think in categories before the Chengis Khan era ....
        9. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 6 September 2014 22: 15
          +2
          God forbid, but ...
          while I was horrified by the statements of the contractor’s paratrooper that he would never go to the war zone in the southeast of Ukraine, and if such an order would quit
        10. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 6 September 2014 23: 13
          +1
          we will crush anyone.

          I agree, in vain they have nominated the Suicide bomber. There is fighting spirit, it is caused by the motivation to defend what is. Taxes tear intolerables for a reason - though by crumbs, but the army is rearming; people live in revanchism without noticing it themselves. And besides the frankly foul war with Japan, I can’t remember the disastrous wars starting from the 17th century. So we’ll fight back, we’ll pay more reparations!
        11. Penzyac
          Penzyac 7 September 2014 11: 45
          0
          Quote: Deadmen
          we will crush anyone.

          Crush it crush, no one argues (except the West and the Islamists), blessed is he who believes. The question is, at what cost?
          I would not want it like in 1941. Although, there would be no 41st - there would not have been a 45th.
          1. bda
            bda 7 September 2014 21: 05
            +1
            PENZYAC SU Today, 11:45 PM ↑

            Quote: Deadmen
            we will crush anyone.

            Crush it crush, no one argues (except for the West and the Islamists)


            It remains to put in brackets "China" (we will crush all, except the West, Islamists and Chinese) and add pathetically: "Oh, fear us, cowardly Georgians!"
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      2. Peter Timofeev
        Peter Timofeev 6 September 2014 15: 54
        +16
        Maybe the time will come and our soldier in Washington will write: "SATISFIED WITH THE RUINS OF THE WHITE HOUSE."
        1. saag
          saag 7 September 2014 19: 23
          0
          Quote: Petr Timofeev
          Maybe the time will come and our soldier in Washington will write: "SATISFIED WITH THE RUINS OF THE WHITE HOUSE."

          Of course it will, now in the wake of patriotism they will write such a computer toy and even you can do it :-)
      3. Raskolnik
        Raskolnik 6 September 2014 16: 08
        +15
        What kind of white tape alarmism? Nobody will attack us. In NAT, too, they are not fools. Moreover, our nuclear shield has not yet rusted. And hitting 30 warheads is considered "unacceptable damage" for the US military doctrine. Until they deploy their missile defense, until they set up enough interceptors, all the more so for aggression towards Russia, the whole of Europe must be turned into one large bridgehead, very vulnerable to TNW ... In general, attacking us now is suicide. And for everyone.
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 6 September 2014 17: 21
          +10
          Quote: Raskolnik
          What kind of white tape alarmism? Nobody will attack us. In NAT, too, they are not fools. Moreover, our nuclear shield has not yet rusted. And hitting 30 warheads is considered "unacceptable damage" for the US military doctrine. Until they deploy their missile defense, until they set up enough interceptors, all the more so for aggression towards Russia, the whole of Europe must be turned into one large bridgehead, very vulnerable to TNW ... In general, attacking us now is suicide. And for everyone.

          Whether they will adjust or rebuild, 1941 also whistled about not attacking, the result is known. It is necessary to keep an eye out and not to lose the scent.
          1. Samurai3X
            Samurai3X 6 September 2014 20: 22
            +1
            Comparison with the 41st is fundamentally wrong. Then there was no concept of nuclear weapons. Then they fought classically: by land, naval and air forces.
            The Strategic Missile Forces are reequipping at the fastest pace, which means it is the most modern in the entire army of the Russian Federation.
            I doubt that even the most rabid hawks will manage to persuade the rest of such a suicide as an attack on the Russian Federation.
            1. tokens2
              tokens2 6 September 2014 21: 47
              +1
              Comparison with the 41st is fundamentally wrong

              Why?
              It’s a classic, and it’s a classic. One component of nuclear weapons will drop out and that’s it ... the old things will change. And the work on creating hypersonic missiles? The Chinese do not miss ... they dig a second China underground laughing
              And sooner or later they will learn how to shoot down missiles, this is task number 1.
              1. Samurai3X
                Samurai3X 6 September 2014 22: 43
                +4
                Until 1945, the whole world lived and did not know a weapon capable of destroying all life on Earth (well, except for cockroaches and all kinds of ciliates).
                The appearance of nuclear weapons and then delivery vehicles completely changed strategy and geopolitics.
                You say so, as if someone would attack Russia openly ...
                This will be done with the help of terrorist attacks, Maidan and the creation of wars on the periphery, so that more refugees. Strain the Russian economy as much as possible so that it collapses.
                1. tokens2
                  tokens2 6 September 2014 23: 12
                  +1
                  Strain the Russian economy as much as possible so that it collapses.

                  It seems to me that our economy is deliberately held for "Cinderella". For the ups and downs create "dizziness with success" or "shock therapy". And so stability laughing to thread.
                  If there were a salary of 70 thousand, then it would be something to lose and the West would talk differently with Russia. So, the sanctions are really on the drum.
                  You say so, as if someone would attack Russia openly ...

                  If the golden billion suddenly abruptly wins, then ... what to occupy this billion? accustomed to counting everyone else as cattle? That could well take a chance. But not earlier.
                  And Maidan, terrorist attacks are all up to the first tightening of nuts.
                  Peripheral wars ... so useful lol
                  I think the example of Ukraine will not be contagious. bully
                  If only there was no civil.
        2. Donskoi
          Donskoi 6 September 2014 18: 43
          +9
          There is another type of weapon that operates from the middle - the so-called. "color revolution". It seems to me that it is more likely in the near future. It is worth preparing for it, including in the army. Society to share on the parties to the conflict and what will then be the role of the army in general and the soldier in particular. In Ukraine, all this is already happening and to take a closer look at the psychological changes in the Ukrainian army, the ranks of the Russian army, oh, how worth it!
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 6 September 2014 18: 56
            +3
            This is a problem for the special services and the police. Hopefully not blundered.
        3. midashko
          midashko 6 September 2014 18: 50
          +7
          Quote: Raskolnik
          What kind of white tape panic? No one will attack us.

          Your lips would drink honey and beer. They said the same thing in 1812 and 1941. Just recently, they spoke in Serbia and in Libya and ...
          1. LvKiller
            LvKiller 6 September 2014 23: 13
            0
            Kohl turned to history, at the same time take a look at how it all ended. It hurt, but the truth was on our side. She is now on ours. In addition, the West has decayed much stronger than us, because it began to rot much earlier ...
          2. Raskolnik
            Raskolnik 6 September 2014 23: 21
            +1
            Quote: midashko
            Quote: Raskolnik
            What kind of white tape panic? No one will attack us.

            Your lips would drink honey and beer. They said the same thing in 1812 and 1941. Just recently, they spoke in Serbia and in Libya and ...

            in 41 there were no YouTube satellites, and the intelligence capabilities were much more modest. Therefore, there will be no surprise attack. And nobody canceled the Perimeter system. It is, of course, in a truncated form now, but it is not only not closed, but developed
      4. semen777
        semen777 6 September 2014 16: 13
        +16
        "I have something to lose, and nothing to give my life for!": What is the point in this phrase if the enemy comes and takes everything he wants, including your life - this should reach the Pepsi generation, to those who believe that they will sit out in a cozy basement with grub and beer! Unfortunately, the lifestyle imposed by the Americans put the golden calf at the forefront, exaggerating the concept of honor, conscience, justice ... Victory, as always, will come with a lot of blood, but it will be behind us, it simply cannot be otherwise.
        1. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 6 September 2014 17: 12
          +15
          You shouldn't be like that, "the Pepsi generation ...", but among them there are more normal guys than you can imagine, and they, without cries of love for the Motherland (like their grandfathers in 41-45), will silently break anyone's neck who will climb to Russia! And all their "freaks" are just "husks" that will fly around at the first serious gust of "military wind"! We are Russian and this is not a nationality, but a state of mind! God is with us and the truth!
          1. Alan
            Alan 6 September 2014 19: 50
            +16
            I don’t like capricious moods, I need to work, plow, restoring a lot that I lost with the collapse of the Soviet Union But I liked this video. You need to start with the education of the future of Russia-children. and educate in this spirit ....

          2. the polar
            the polar 6 September 2014 20: 15
            -3
            Quote: kartalovkolya
            silently break the neck of anyone who climbs to Russia! And all their "freaks" are just "husks" that will fly around at the first serious gust of "military wind"! We are Russian and this is not a nationality, but a state of mind! God is with us and the truth!

            In deputies, perhaps, eloquent, away from the trench ...
      5. Dembel
        Dembel 6 September 2014 16: 29
        +12
        I will tell you, dear starshina78, a terrible secret, only between us: most people on planet Earth, regardless of their social status and financial situation, think so - "I have something to lose, and my life is dear to me, but I am ready to sacrifice it for those or for what I love! ". The rest of the minority of people while away their days in a madhouse.
      6. Free Island
        Free Island 6 September 2014 16: 33
        +1
        judging by the latest NATO operation conducted in Libya .. khkmkhm .. NATO and the US stupidly no dough to fight with us)))) if they borrowed ammunition from Germany to Libya, where should they go to the poor and hungry for Russia? :) )))
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 6 September 2014 22: 44
          +3
          It is not worth building calculations on this example.
          There is such a thing - economic potential.
          Example: in 1939, there were several hundred tankettes in the US Army.
          In 1943, US factories produced more tanks than the USSR and
          Germany combined.
          America, when pripret, knows how to increase production at an incredible speed.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 6 September 2014 22: 51
            +8
            Quote: voyaka uh
            America, when pripret, knows how to increase production at an incredible speed.

            The comparison is incorrect.
            Germany used Swedish iron ore, experienced a terrible shortage of alloying additives. Since the summer of 1944, all production facilities have been bombed.
            The USSR moved almost ALL tank production beyond the Urals; tanks were initially assembled in the open.
            That is, the Mrykans worked in greenhouse conditions.
            1. DV69
              DV69 6 September 2014 22: 55
              +7
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Quote: voyaka uh
              America, when pripret, knows how to increase production at an incredible speed.

              The comparison is incorrect.
              Germany used Swedish iron ore, experienced a terrible shortage of alloying additives. Since the summer of 1944, all production facilities have been bombed.
              The USSR moved almost ALL tank production beyond the Urals; tanks were initially assembled in the open.
              That is, the Mrykans worked in greenhouse conditions.


              And note, the United States did not bomb anyone (Pearl Harbor does not count). And they did not invest money, but received it.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 6 September 2014 23: 08
                +4
                Quote: DV69
                And they did not invest money, but received it.

                What was secured by the Breton-Woods Agreement in July 1944.
                1. DV69
                  DV69 6 September 2014 23: 11
                  0
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  Quote: DV69
                  And they did not invest money, but received it.

                  What was secured by the Breton-Woods Agreement in July 1944.


                  So.
      7. dark_65
        dark_65 6 September 2014 16: 35
        +9
        Deadmen probably did not smell not only gunpowder. But also soldiers' footcloths ... otherwise such cheap bravado would not have sounded in his statement ... right there on the site the majority of haters ...
        1. Drshan
          Drshan 6 September 2014 17: 37
          -1
          dark_65 (1)
          I minus because of the "caps".
          1. dark_65
            dark_65 6 September 2014 19: 54
            -2
            You belong to the minority? If there is painful, in PM.
        2. Deadmen
          Deadmen 6 September 2014 23: 01
          0
          you're wrong.
          1. bda
            bda 7 September 2014 14: 46
            0
            Deadmen

            you're wrong.

            Young man, isn't it better for you not to disgrace yourself - adults are supposed to say "YOU".
      8. ybrcfy27
        ybrcfy27 6 September 2014 16: 42
        +17
        All stupid things, there will be a war, I personally will definitely go, and my relatives will go, and my friends will go, and this is something
        1. serega73
          serega73 6 September 2014 18: 33
          +2
          I'm with you. and my friends are comrades with me.
      9. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 6 September 2014 16: 58
        +13
        Don't talk about the people like that, don't confuse it with a "bunch" of monsters who are ready to sell their homeland for oysters and others, and you forgot the Pskov paratroopers at the cost of their lives, who stopped Khattab's gangs? What kind of money and "luxury life" they laid down their heads !? So you are either not our Russian or from the "oyster"! Yes, there are many factors, as you write, but there will be even more "arguments" when it seriously smells of gunpowder. Do you think that if the West had at least a 50% chance of winning against us, it would not have attacked Russia !? And then there is also the historical memory of Russian tanks in Berlin has not been erased in the minds of many Western politicians and military men, they remember and know that the nuclear potential of Russia is enough for all of them and enough to panic!
        1. maximus
          maximus 6 September 2014 18: 54
          +3
          Quote: kartalovkolya
          . Do you think that if the West had at least a 50% chance of winning against us, it would not have attacked Russia !?

          I think 50% is hopeless for them, they will not dare even at 70%, and at 100% they will lose, as always, underestimating and not understanding "these Russians" smile
      10. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 6 September 2014 17: 03
        +6
        Quote: starshina78
        Will our air defense be able to repel a massive raid? When the USSR - yes! Now in doubt!

        oh well ??? or our air defense has become worse than the Soviet? By the way, from the same place and who grew up, glory to our designers and scientists! Or will we wait for a "massive raid" ??? we will not see and will not know about the readiness to apply it? Do we have reconnaissance? Will we not see movement in the position of the first strike weapon? bring it to the west ... there is probably safer in your opinion ...
        1. Shoma-1970
          Shoma-1970 6 September 2014 18: 05
          +2
          Enemy aviation has no chance against Russia, all military experts and analysts in the world admit this, enemy aviation can take off, but will not land.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 6 September 2014 20: 14
            +1
            Quote: Shoma-1970
            Enemy aviation has no chance against Russia, all military experts and analysts in the world admit this, enemy aviation can take off, but will not land.

            I would not make such bold statements
            The number of deployed air defense regiments is much smaller than in the USSR, there is no continuous cover.
            The combat readiness of the air defense system is determined by the ammunition load. Moreover, it is not necessary to smash all the air defense at the same time, you can gnaw through it in sequence, concentrating forces.
            For example, in the first wave we throw hundreds of Tomahawks into s-300 brigades covering the western regions and launch drones and mock-ups with suppression equipment from above. Can it be even simpler to do this, clean up with ground troops. How many kilometers does an advanced MLRS and self-propelled guns hit?
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 6 September 2014 20: 42
              +2
              Quote: Pilat2009
              no solid cover

              And solid is not needed. Hitting individual houses in rural areas with tomahawks is too expensive even for the United States.
              Quote: Pilat2009
              with suppression equipment

              Do we have our own equipment?
              Quote: Pilat2009
              How many miles does the advanced MLRS and self-propelled guns hit?

              It seems like 50 kilometers, although guided missiles can continue
              Quote: Pilat2009
              can be gnawed consistently, concentrating forces

              Can. But on the condition that they will sit and watch how they do it.
              I don’t know if the US Air Force will be able to suppress our air defense, but in any case they will have such losses that they will actually have to re-create them.
              1. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 6 September 2014 21: 04
                0
                Quote: Dart2027
                Seems like 50 kilometers

                In 2008, Lockheed Martin announced it was testing an extended-range GMLRS shell that hit a target 85 km from the launch point. According to a November 5, 2009 Lockheed Martin press release, its specialists at the White Sands missile range successfully launched a GMLRS shell with a maximum range of 92 km
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 6 September 2014 21: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  guided missiles can continue
        2. severyanin
          severyanin 6 September 2014 18: 51
          0
          Our air defense really is no worse, but it has become less, unfortunately ... hat-inspiring moods are evident
        3. andj61
          andj61 6 September 2014 21: 50
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          huh ??? or did our air defense become worse than the Soviet? to

          The air defense became better, but the saturation of the air defense did not decrease many-fold — tenfold. Previously, there was continuous air defense of the stronghold, with especially careful cover for the most important objects, and now it was only cover for especially important objects. And that’s all!
          The air defense system of the 80s would provide reliable cover for the country even now - despite complete obsolescence. That air defense system was not replaced by a similar, but more modern system.
        4. Amakc
          Amakc 6 September 2014 23: 48
          +2
          Our air defense is no worse than the Soviet Union, but the market economy has been set so that there are not so many complexes, and it is impossible to ensure the entire border from the probable passage of enemy aircraft, including nuclear weapons and missile defense - for now ... Look through the MO report on air defense, all new complexes are worth lines Smolensk - N. Novgorod, i.e. Cover Moscau, and psyo .... And around, like in a garmin navigator, there is no life .... Regarding the enemy’s aviation ... From the air base in the Baltic states - flight time to Bryansk is 22 minutes .. These are attack aircraft, high-precision long-range missiles , from Bryansk, they are practically dismantling the Kozelskaya taxiway of ground-based Strategic Missile Forces in the barracks ... because The alarm collection time is 1 hour 30 minutes .. in the district ... 98% of the launchers will be unworkable ... and the rest will have no one to serve ... Conclusion, there is no need to invade the territory of the Russian Federation immediately, but in stages, piece by piece ... I write it’s not because the pissimist, but to reduce ardor in power ... I’m a serviceman and I have something to lose and who, therefore, in the forefront I’m ready ... To catch it ...
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 7 September 2014 09: 20
            0
            Quote: AMakc
            in the barracks ... because Alarm collection time 1 hour 30 minutes .. in the district ... 98% of the launchers will be unworkable ..

            But aren’t they on alert, on duty?
            I now think that ground-based strategic missile forces in the sense of combat stability are not very good.
            I would like to have more pl. Build like an American, for a hundred cr. Well, or pieces for 30 hypersonic
      11. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 6 September 2014 17: 14
        +2
        Alas, you are right! And I am of the same opinion. A well-fed "comfortable" life deprives us of courage, cunning resourcefulness and ... readiness to appreciate, defend our homeland by all means, even at the cost of our own life. Remember Zadornov's story about how a Russian drove surprised the Germans, as a result of which they understood why the Russians defeated the Germans, accepting the attributes of "Western" life, we become "Westernizers"; which means, less Russian. We become "dumb", like Americans, like Europeans in the sense expressed by Zadornov
        Quote: starshina78
        Not all, but many have tried what was previously inaccessible to us, and the worldview of people, many, has changed dramatically! Many are no longer so ardent patriots, and in their words: “I have something to lose, and nothing to give my life for! "Like this ! But there are still many such factors affecting our
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 6 September 2014 18: 16
          +3
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          We get dumb like Americans

          my condolences...
          1. Koltsov norm
            Koltsov norm 6 September 2014 23: 42
            +1
            And what to expect from the amerikosov - these are the descendants of the colonialists, convicts and black slaves - if you remember the story, where they get special brains. besides this, every rabble from Britain, France, Ireland flocked there. at first they "stupidly" snapped out all the locals, and then they got down to peace. and the Americans are also stupidly approaching the peoples of the world - they do not want ours - we will destroy ... America lives at the expense of other people's brains - it prefers to buy ... so dumb-dumber - this is about them
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      13. Nikaviz
        Nikaviz 6 September 2014 17: 58
        +9
        Yes, maybe I forgot .... No. But he must remember that they will kill that you are Russian .. So FIFTI-FIFTI. OR THEY OR WE angry
      14. ammunition
        ammunition 6 September 2014 18: 09
        +6
        Quote: starshina78
        , the most important thing is that the people have become different!


        Yes. The people have not become that. That incredible stamina and fortitude ..
        which were just 30 years ago. Now there is no.
        ------------
        But for our happiness .. the West has degraded much more.
        1. Alexey1
          Alexey1 7 September 2014 18: 56
          0
          Yes, the people are different, but if you get very strong, both spirit and endurance will appear. You yourself will be surprised then. Each person has a potential, and do not underestimate yourself and people, and of course enemies.
      15. 1536
        1536 6 September 2014 18: 27
        +3
        In order not to be tempted to throw "tomoghaws" on our territory, to drop "rapid deployment" forces on it, etc., Russia's military doctrine should clearly state that in the event of an aggression against us, Russia reserves the inalienable right to retaliate a strike not at the enemy's army, but directly at cities, energy infrastructure, transport hubs and (most importantly) at the IT centers of the military, financial and civil administration of those fears who are the aggressors, as well as their accomplices. One rocket that reached London or Brussels will be more significant than all the shootings, etc. The main thing is to fly or be delivered. But this is already a matter of technology.
        1. DV69
          DV69 6 September 2014 18: 32
          +1
          Quote: 1536
          In order not to be tempted to throw "tomoghaws" on our territory, to drop "rapid deployment" forces on it, etc., Russia's military doctrine should clearly state that in the event of an aggression against us, Russia reserves the inalienable right to retaliate a strike not at the enemy's army, but directly at cities, energy infrastructure, transport hubs and (most importantly) at the IT centers of the military, financial and civil administration of those fears who are the aggressors, as well as their accomplices. One rocket that reached London or Brussels will be more significant than all the shootings, etc. The main thing is to fly or be delivered. But this is already a matter of technology.


          The Russian military doctrine provides for cases of preventive use of nuclear weapons in cases of aggression against Russia.
      16. morprepud
        morprepud 6 September 2014 18: 49
        +2
        Enterprises prepare them in order to otmazatsya from military registration and enlistment offices. And many more - many other factors that show our lack of readiness for war. Therefore, our President does the right thing, trying by hook or by crook to prevent war.
        The sergeant major disagrees with you, our society in recent years has already FEELED and sobered the little heads from "Bush's" handouts the "negativity" of the entire West. And as an EXAMPLE in patriotism, remember the percentage (about 95%) of the annexation of the Crimea! Moreover, how many WISHING to help the militia with military measures! And yet, Kadyrov RIGHTLY said that when it is DIFFICULT for Russia, THE WHOLE PEOPLE RISE, i.e. EVERYTHING! ..... Here's the sergeant major and my attitude to Russian PATRIOTISM.
      17. andj61
        andj61 6 September 2014 21: 14
        +2
        Quote: starshina78
        Will our air defense be able to repel a massive raid? When the USSR - yes! Now in doubt!

        I also ask myself the same question. In Soviet times, in Bryansk there was a command of the air defense corps and several air defense units — a regiment in Bryansk, and several more — in the region. At the beginning of the 90s, the S-300 air defense system was adopted, and in the middle of the 6s, all air defense systems were virtually eliminated - there is no forage or regiments.
        In the USSR, there was an excellent air defense system based on the S-75, S-125, S-200 air defense systems and the few S-300s. The system was continuous, covering the entire territory of the Union, with multiple overlapping of the zones of destruction of neighboring anti-aircraft missile regiments and brigades. If the air defense system of the 80s had been preserved, even today any aggressor could have been safe - according to the characteristics The S-200 is not inferior to the S-300 in terms of the possibility of warfare and effectiveness, and the number of complexes on the territory of the Union made it possible to destroy ALL enemy aircraft during its simultaneous attack. True, the S-200 is very strong - forever! - inferior to the S-300 in mobility and most importantly - it has liquid-fuel missiles that must be refueled before combat duty, for which there is a special technical division, and this significantly reduces survivability.
        But our old complexes are weakly susceptible to electromagnetic impulses - this is done constructively, and they don’t even have microchips at all.
        And now the air defense covers only Moscow, and, probably, some other strategic areas. In such a scenario, air defense can really be "brought down" by a large number of aerodynamic targets - CD, aviation and UAVs.
        The only way to deal with large enemy aviation groups remained the one that was reserved for use on the S-200 - the use of special ammunition. The units on combat duty in the 80s always had such missiles and were ready for use. Apparently, such an opportunity is provided now.
      18. Asadali
        Asadali 6 September 2014 22: 12
        +2
        Maybe not really on the topic (I apologize in advance, but could not stand it wink ), this guy has something to lose, but still went to fight for justice.
      19. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 September 2014 22: 13
        +1
        Quote: starshina78
        the most important thing is that the people have become different! He tasted luxury life (oysters, etc.)

        this is basic, although I hope (God forbid to learn in practice) the husk will fly around quickly
      20. Cadet787
        Cadet787 6 September 2014 22: 28
        0
        06.09.2014 - 21: 59
        New Russia Roundup September 6, 2014.

        Militias defeated the battalion of the National Guard near Lugansk. The battalion was ambushed yesterday, on the eve of the armistice, near the village of Happiness, the militia headquarters reported. The battalion lost 35 fighters, three "Aidar" were captured.
        The truce between Ukraine and Novorossia began at 18–00, but already at 18–04 APU fired at the Petrovsky district of Donetsk. From 19–00 to 20–00 the duty team went to the Budyonovsky district twice. This day ended with a fire in the Kalinin district on Uchitelskaya street at 21-50.
        The transfer of prisoners of war from the Donetsk People’s Republic should take place today, and on Monday from Kiev, said the Prime Minister of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko.
        The Minister of Defense of the DPR Vladimir Kononov said that the ceasefire established by the agreement with Kiev can be considered fictitious. Already 15 minutes after the agreed time, the Ukrainian military fired on the city of Gorlovka. Punisher shelling continued also in Makeevka. Then at 18:20 an attack was carried out Telmanovo. “We were ordered not to open fire. It would not be difficult to break their columns. We did not expect such meanness, ”said Kononov.
        According to Petro Poroshenko, who depicts the President of Ukraine, the junta’s troops will not leave Donbass. He is not going to order the withdrawal of troops from the positions taken by them during the military operation.
        1. Koltsov norm
          Koltsov norm 6 September 2014 23: 48
          0
          And now the army of Donbass will wait on Monday until the prisoners are given back to them?
          Until Monday, ukroedy are unlikely to wait.

          Has anyone from the OSCE recorded shelling? - if you start the otvetka, because they won’t believe, who, it’s not the DNR-LNR that first started

          Guys, hold on !!!
      21. APASUS
        APASUS 6 September 2014 23: 21
        +1
        Quote: starshina78
        and are the armies ready to set foot on the ground .... ", and does the author of the Deadmen comment know how NATO troops (and the war is meant with NATO) start a war? They inflict a huge number of Tomahawk strikes, air raids, and in a war with us, they will most likely use tactical non-nuclear missile weapons of enormous destructive power.

        And only the destruction of only two skyscrapers in the USA brought America to an economic and political stupor !!!
        The United States will start a war only with that country, from which they will not receive all 120% in return!
        I imagine a panic if at least one nuclear weapons unit falls in the USA.
      22. oratai104
        oratai104 7 September 2014 01: 30
        0
        And avoiding war, he systematically changes the situation, returning the army to constant combat readiness. So the TRP was returned, but they remembered the story. Again, they return the logistics back to the troops. and they did not forget about the mobilization reserve (they even conducted a test exercise). Down and Out trouble started. In the same light, we took into account the experience of commercial-capitalist relationships with enterprises, after misfires, during the big maneuvers last year. Rearmament, again, comes first. Well, and finally, in the militia, not only the old people of the Russian Federation are volunteers, as we see. So there is also a change. "We will live"! - as the Maestro said. "Only old people go to battle" The main thing is that our children and grandchildren know "Where does the Motherland begin?"
      23. oratai104
        oratai104 7 September 2014 01: 32
        0
        I almost forgot. Air defense can!
      24. samuil60
        samuil60 7 September 2014 01: 47
        +1
        Yes, our people and our army are probably not ready for war. But! Europeans are even more unprepared for it! And I won't say anything about the Americans in general. It is not for nothing that they reduce all military operations, in essence, to bombing and shelling from long distances. By the way, in the same way, and apparently at their behest, ukrogenerals are also fighting. But communicating with different people, I am sure that the Russians WILL fight. Despite the terrible spiritual decay of the 90s, despite the ridicule of liberals and majors, our guys are capable of self-sacrifice. We were just relaxed by Western "sweets" and, in fact, female upbringing. But it will pass. And the competition that has appeared in military schools is a confirmation of this. After all, earning an apartment and a car while doing "business" is much easier and safer than being an officer. But the boys are coming ...
      25. Penzyac
        Penzyac 7 September 2014 11: 39
        0
        Quote: starshina78
        ... Everything happens by analogy with 1941 ...

        That's right, in 1941 the regular troops of the USSR, with the exception of the border guards, actually lost the war, to a large extent were either destroyed or captured. She stopped the enemy, and then defeated him, taking Berlin, a completely different army - an army recruited from civilian workers, peasants and intelligentsia, including repressed citizens, and who had been established and trained already during the fighting.
        The regular army of any country is never ready for stubborn defense; it always dreams of an offensive and war on enemy territory. It is always the people who defend themselves and win in difficult situations, if they are, of course, a people, and not a "melting pot" and a bunch of "free individuals".
      26. Hort
        Hort 7 September 2014 15: 42
        0
        and we, about yours, will not use "tactical non-nuclear missile weapons of enormous destructive power" ?! I think that we will also use strategic nuclear. because if not applicable, the "perimeter" will do it for us anyway.
      27. Oprychnyk
        Oprychnyk 7 September 2014 16: 12
        +1
        I just want to answer the author, like that parrot in the famous cartoon to the boatswain, reproachfully: "Roma ..."
      28. Rarahin
        Rarahin 7 September 2014 19: 57
        0
        Quote: starshina78
        Will our air defense be able to repel a massive raid?


        I’ll ask a counter-question: can NATO (and this is mainly Europe) repel a retaliatory strike?

        For clarity:
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 6 September 2014 15: 51
      +4
      Any warrior who left the battlefield during the war is usually shot, so cowards are doomed during the war.
      1. MIKHAIL-163
        MIKHAIL-163 6 September 2014 16: 39
        +8
        I agree with you. But without a powerful focused ideology and not only in the armed forces, it seems to me very problematic. During the USSR (no matter how bad they were) the state had it. And if it (ideology) is not fully there, then fight with thoughts in my mind about my well-being TYAZHKO. But I sincerely believe in our PEOPLE in US with YOU, in our mentality! IN THE MYSTERIOUS RUSSIAN SOUL! The only thing is not to oversleep !!! RUSSIA WILL NOT BE PUT ON KNEPS !!!!!
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 6 September 2014 17: 05
        +1
        Quote: Giant thought
        Any warrior during the war, those who left the battlefield are usually shot, so cowards are doomed during the war.
        the escaped is no longer a warrior ... but with .. ka, in whose back to shoot is not a sin ...
    3. Civil
      Civil 6 September 2014 16: 19
      -33
      I understand the USSR defended its ideology, its people's system, but right now what is the meaning of the war? Instead of "Russian" oligarchs, American oligarchs will come ... and what's the difference, they both live in Europe and near the warm seas. Does it make a difference for whom to work?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 6 September 2014 17: 00
        +4
        They defended their country, just as their ancestors defended it long before the word communism appeared.
        1. Civil
          Civil 6 September 2014 17: 28
          -3
          Quote: Dart2027
          They defended their country, just as their ancestors defended it long before the word communism appeared.

          And on the first world? Protected?
          1. DV69
            DV69 6 September 2014 18: 21
            +5
            Quote: Civil
            Quote: Dart2027
            They defended their country, just as their ancestors defended it long before the word communism appeared.

            And on the first world? Protected?


            And at World War I, they would have protected if liberals and agents in the government and the elite did not betray the liberals and the Bolsheviks with comrades in the people.
            Here you have the whole secret.
            1. Civil
              Civil 6 September 2014 18: 30
              -2
              Quote: DV69
              Quote: Civil
              Quote: Dart2027
              They defended their country, just as their ancestors defended it long before the word communism appeared.

              And on the first world? Protected?


              And at World War I, they would have protected if liberals and agents in the government and the elite did not betray the liberals and the Bolsheviks with comrades in the people.
              Here you have the whole secret.

              That is, everyone except the tsarist army is to blame ... and calling the liberals of the Reds this is a failure.
              1. DV69
                DV69 6 September 2014 18: 41
                +4
                Quote: Civil

                That is, everyone except the tsarist army is to blame ... and calling the liberals of the Reds this is a failure.


                Nicholas II is most guilty of changing the political system in Russia. At such a crucial moment in history, such a weak ruler led the country. The Court of the Emperor is also to blame, who, knowing that Alice of Hesse is sick with hemophilia, allowed her to marry the then heir to the Russian Throne.
                Besides, when did I call the Reds liberals?
                I spoke of the common guilt of all walks of life in defeat in the war.
                By the way, and if the war began now, would you also put forward the slogan about turning this war into a civil one?
                1. Civil
                  Civil 6 September 2014 18: 53
                  -2
                  Quote: DV69
                  Quote: Civil

                  That is, everyone except the tsarist army is to blame ... and calling the liberals of the Reds this is a failure.


                  Nicholas II is most guilty of changing the political system in Russia. At such a crucial moment in history, such a weak ruler led the country. The Court of the Emperor is also to blame, who, knowing that Alice of Hesse is sick with hemophilia, allowed her to marry the then heir to the Russian Throne.
                  Besides, when did I call the Reds liberals?
                  I spoke of the common guilt of all walks of life in defeat in the war.
                  By the way, and if the war began now, would you also put forward the slogan about turning this war into a civil one?

                  The crisis was a foregone conclusion, a senseless war for the interests of the Imperial Court above all! Millions who supported the Bolsheviks were also people, the tsarist society rotted.
                  How can a state demand something from a population that itself despises? You are so interesting, but they themselves go to the front? And their children will come to war?
                  1. DV69
                    DV69 6 September 2014 19: 09
                    +3
                    Quote: Civil

                    The crisis was a foregone conclusion, a senseless war for the interests of the Imperial Court above all! Millions who supported the Bolsheviks were also people, the tsarist society rotted.
                    How can a state demand something from a population that itself despises? You are so interesting, but they themselves go to the front? And their children will come to war?


                    What senseless war for the interests of the Court? You taught history. The Russian Empire entered the war defending fellow Serbs. At the same time, the people fully supported the Emperor.
                    Well, Russia had no other interests in this war.
                    By the way, you did not answer about the slogan.
                2. the polar
                  the polar 6 September 2014 20: 24
                  0
                  Quote: DV69

                  By the way, and if the war began now, would you also put forward the slogan about turning this war into a civil one?

                  Would you, after such a war, go back to hunchback on the Fridmans and Yakunins, build new "fur storages" for them, which you did not elect to keep hordes of deputies?
                  1. DV69
                    DV69 6 September 2014 20: 44
                    +3
                    Quote: Polar
                    Quote: DV69

                    By the way, and if the war began now, would you also put forward the slogan about turning this war into a civil one?

                    Would you, after such a war, go back to hunchback on the Fridmans and Yakunins, build new "fur storages" for them, which you did not elect to keep hordes of deputies?


                    Well. Again a question to a question.
                    And I still do not work for Friedman and Yakunin.
                    1. the polar
                      the polar 7 September 2014 05: 17
                      -1
                      Quote: DV69


                      Well. Again a question to a question.
                      And I still do not work for Friedman and Yakunin.

                      You are our naive, it is on them that you are hunchbacked. You need to learn the basics of economics
                      1. DV69
                        DV69 7 September 2014 21: 52
                        +2
                        [quote = polar] [/ quote]
                        You are our naive, it is on them that you are hunchbacked. You need to learn the basics of economics [/ quote]

                        I don’t work for anyone at all. I serve.
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 6 September 2014 18: 42
                +2
                It was the liberals who destroyed RI, it is no coincidence that Lenin said that the delay in death is similar.
            2. saag
              saag 6 September 2014 20: 06
              +2
              Quote: DV69
              Yes, the Bolsheviks with comrades among the people.

              The Bolsheviks simply took this power, which the bourgeoisie could no longer hold
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 6 September 2014 18: 45
            +1
            The war of 1812.
            Time of Troubles.
            Tatar-Mongol yoke.
            War with Turkey (long list).
            North War.
            War with the Knights' Orders (long list).
            Any questions?
          3. I am
            I am 6 September 2014 21: 32
            +1
            No, believe it, but YES !!!!! Otherwise, where did you come from ????
      2. 23 region
        23 region 6 September 2014 17: 07
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        Instead of "Russian" oligarchs, American oligarchs will come ... and what is the difference, they both live in Europe and near warm seas. Does it make a difference for whom to work?

        Do not panic, gentlemen, liberals!
        1. Civil
          Civil 6 September 2014 17: 26
          -6
          23 region
          Dear they say on yachts prices have fallen ... do not want to buy?
        2. Shoma-1970
          Shoma-1970 6 September 2014 18: 11
          +2
          This liberal traitor has a face, a natural lackey!
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 6 September 2014 17: 07
        +16
        Quote: Civil
        I understand the USSR defended its ideology, its people's system, but right now what is the meaning of the war? Instead of "Russian" oligarchs, American oligarchs will come ... and what's the difference, they both live in Europe and near the warm seas. Does it make a difference for whom to work?

        congratulations ... you are a SLAVE.
        1. Civil
          Civil 6 September 2014 17: 26
          -7
          Offend all the excuses, answer the question?
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 6 September 2014 17: 38
            +1
            Quote: Civil
            Offend all the excuses, answer the question?

            and you are not a laborer, but work for the family, for yourself in the end ... hi
            1. Civil
              Civil 6 September 2014 17: 42
              +4
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              Quote: Civil
              Offend all the excuses, answer the question?

              and you are not a laborer, but work for the family, for yourself in the end ... hi

              That is, the question of social justice is not close to you. The situation when a handful of businessmen control the main cash flows, and the law suits you the rest?
              1. Shoma-1970
                Shoma-1970 6 September 2014 18: 17
                +2
                Quote: Civil
                That is, the question of social justice is not close to you. The situation when a handful of businessmen control the main cash flows, and the law suits you the rest?


                Belly issues can be resolved by tightening the belt if necessary, and the country's honor, dignity and patriotism should be in the first place for every citizen of our country, including you!
                1. Civil
                  Civil 6 September 2014 18: 35
                  +2
                  [quote = Shoma-1970] [/ quote]
                  Belly issues can be resolved by tightening the belt if necessary, and the honor of the country, dignity and patriotism should be in the first place for every citizen of our country, including you! [/ Quote]
                  Why the already not rich population should tighten their belts, exactly the same conversations as in the 90s, while everyone plundered - people were starving in shock. Enough. You can pay the price, but for what?
              2. DV69
                DV69 6 September 2014 18: 25
                -3
                Quote: Civil

                That is, the question of social justice is not close to you. The situation when a handful of businessmen control the main cash flows, and the law suits you the rest?


                And what do you mean by social justice? All take and share? Or do you propose to divide the so-called financial flows between all residents of the country?
                Your interesting outlook on life.
                1. Civil
                  Civil 6 September 2014 18: 38
                  +3
                  And what do you mean by social justice? All take and share? Or do you propose to divide the so-called financial flows between all residents of the country?
                  Your interesting outlook on life.

                  Normal-there are bourgeois people. So I was taught in the USSR, under capitalism, everything was clearly confirmed.
                  I propose, start a conversation with offshore companies for example. The imbalance of income Moscow-Russia ... can be listed for a long time.
                  1. DV69
                    DV69 6 September 2014 18: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Civil

                    Normal-there are bourgeois people. So I was taught in the USSR, under capitalism, everything was clearly confirmed.
                    I propose, start a conversation with offshore companies for example. The imbalance of income Moscow-Russia ... can be listed for a long time.


                    You know, I was also taught under the USSR. And about offshore you are right.
                    But about the imbalance of income between Moscow and Russia, there is one interesting moment - the regional authorities are to death if they are not to let Moscow capital into the province, because they are afraid of losing power and income.
                    On the whole, you can agree with many things, but just don’t remind me how long the period of initial capital accumulation lasted in the West and what was it characterized by?
                    In Russia, this period took about 10 years.
                    now about the people and the bourgeoisie. I personally know people who suddenly have turned from this very people (in 10-15 years of titanic labor) you will not believe in the bourgeoisie. There are no oligarchs, it is not possible to turn into these yourself.
                    It’s just that in well-to-do people, whom by the way, for some reason, ordinary people respect.
                    Something like that.
                    1. Civil
                      Civil 6 September 2014 21: 41
                      -2
                      But about the imbalance of income between Moscow and Russia, there is one interesting moment - the regional authorities are to death if they are not to let Moscow capital into the province, because they are afraid of losing power and income.

                      And rightly afraid! There is such a steady expression in the regions Moscow took as a synonym for the cross at this plant / reservoir / mining enterprise, it is worse than the PLAGUE. These "effective managers" (also by the way from there the name "cut on the living.
                      On the whole, you can agree with many things, but just don’t remind me how long the period of initial capital accumulation lasted in the West and what was it characterized by?

                      Poland carried out the same reforms, the Czech Republic, Hungary, why didn’t such a degeneration happen there, why they have a national elite which is important not only the temperature in the "fur store", but the interests of the whole nation.
                      Putin now has an incredible chance to defeat compradors and their subordinates.
                      1. DV69
                        DV69 6 September 2014 22: 10
                        +2
                        Quote: Civil

                        And rightly afraid! There is such a steady expression in the regions Moscow took as a synonym for the cross at this plant / reservoir / mining enterprise, it is worse than the PLAGUE. These "effective managers" (also by the way from there the name "cut on the living.
                        On the whole, you can agree with many things, but just don’t remind me how long the period of initial capital accumulation lasted in the West and what was it characterized by?

                        Poland carried out the same reforms, the Czech Republic, Hungary, why didn’t such a degeneration happen there, why they have a national elite which is important not only the temperature in the "fur store", but the interests of the whole nation.
                        Putin now has an incredible chance to defeat compradors and their subordinates.


                        And there were raiders who seized enterprises, and where are they? When did they end?
                        And when people come and offer to build a plant, but they are sent, because it cannot enter the management of the newly created enterprise?
                        Why are you looking only for negativity everywhere?
                2. Moncyber
                  Moncyber 6 September 2014 22: 03
                  0
                  In general, it would be nice for the state to share it with the people. And then, you know, "Gazprom is a national treasure, or something like that. And there are 824 banks in Russia that are extracting money from Russians at extortionate interest, and several years ago there were many times more. These are parasites accumulating a huge amount of money that could serve other purposes, and not the enrichment of these filthy bankers!
                  1. DV69
                    DV69 6 September 2014 22: 15
                    0
                    Quote: moncyber
                    In general, it would be nice for the state to share it with the people. And then, you know, "Gazprom is a national treasure, or something like that. And there are 824 banks in Russia that are extracting money from Russians at extortionate interest, and several years ago there were many times more. These are parasites accumulating a huge amount of money that could serve other purposes, and not the enrichment of these filthy bankers!


                    And what shisha rearmament?
                3. Moncyber
                  Moncyber 6 September 2014 22: 11
                  +1
                  Kalomoisha is a striking example of such bankers. When Crimea returned to Russia, this one stopped paying money to ordinary people through ATMs. But! The ability to repay loans was left. This is the kind of "social justice" these bastard bankers have. And this also applies to our Russian gentlemen. It is necessary to abolish all these private sharages and leave only state banks, and use the released cash for social services, strengthening the army, etc.
              3. Dart2027
                Dart2027 6 September 2014 18: 46
                +3
                Social justice is certainly good, but almost unattainable. There will always be those who are more equal than others, such is human nature.
              4. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 6 September 2014 19: 02
                +3
                Become a businessman yourself. And if you can’t, then do not be offended by the injustice of life. And there is no need for songs, that all only by theft earned their capital. Many brains and labor. I know those. Not multimillionaires, and not deputies, and dad is not an oligarch. And they developed their business, and now they are fully provided. But they continue to work. It’s boring for them to just smoke the sky. These are people of duty. How do they understand him. And in front of the country in which they live, including. And it will be required, and they will sit in tanks.
          2. Shaitan
            Shaitan 6 September 2014 18: 35
            0
            As long as we maintain statehood, we collect taxes from our oligarchs, and a legitimately elected president distributes these benefits, but when the power in Russia will be the management of the SGA, then that's it. The question is not where the oligarch lives or what nationality, but in what territory does his funds control and to whom does he pay tax.
            1. saag
              saag 6 September 2014 20: 13
              +1
              Quote: Shaitan
              we collect taxes from our oligarchs, and a legitimately elected president distributes these benefits

              Oh, it turns out there is such a position - The main distributor of goods, do not tell me why it is his excess profits from the sale of hydrocarbons that go not to the development of the country, but are invested in US treasury bonds? Maybe he distributes the benefits in favor of another country?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 6 September 2014 20: 49
                +2
                Because we are tied to a dollar-based financial system. Not Putin included us in it. Now there is an active process of transition to the national currency, but this process is not for one day.
                1. saag
                  saag 7 September 2014 19: 22
                  0
                  moreover, here is the financial system based on the dollar. Have you ever paid for everything in Russia with dollars in life? There is simply a budget rule, which states that the excess returns from the sale of resources should be invested in treasury bonds
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 7 September 2014 19: 34
                    0
                    Quote: saag
                    where does the financial system based on the dollar

                    Moreover, according to existing laws, in order to print rubles, we first need to provide them with dollars. Thanks to the hunchback.
          3. STALGRAD76
            STALGRAD76 6 September 2014 19: 09
            +1
            You are a ready-made traitor, it is about this speech in the article, a person who has the only concern in his life only to satiety in his stomach vryat whether they can understand and appreciate the sacrifice of patriots.
            1. DV69
              DV69 6 September 2014 19: 17
              +3
              Quote: STALGRAD76
              You are a ready-made traitor, it is about this speech in the article, a person who has the only concern in his life only to satiety in his stomach vryat whether they can understand and appreciate the sacrifice of patriots.


              That is, in your opinion, only a beggar can defend his homeland well?
              Do you fighters for social justice know how much a lieutenant received in the SA, who just graduated from college?
              250 Soviet full-bodied rubles! This is with the country's average salary of 120.
              Why write nonsense.
              1. Victor Demchenko
                Victor Demchenko 6 September 2014 19: 49
                0
                and my colleagues and I, on business trips, also got bonuses and dollars, so we didn’t get sick at all!
              2. DV69
                DV69 6 September 2014 21: 00
                +5
                And note comrades officers, I was bombarded here. And for what. But since a person who gives his life for his people should live starving, he probably should steal in order to provide for his family. Then there’s a plus, then he’s a patriot.
                The officer is not an artist; he should not be hungry.
                And as for the contractors, they, too, in cases of which life is for their homeland.
                And if an officer cannot put a contract soldier at attention, "what kind of officer is he to Ben's mother?"
            2. Samurai3X
              Samurai3X 6 September 2014 20: 36
              +2
              So, you, a fighter with social injustice, decided to dispossess everyone and everything?
              There were already such-called Bolsheviks (Communists).
              The goods were distributed in such a cool and ingenious way that Stalin raked all his rule over what these woodpeckers had done. And how smartly they turned the peasantry against themselves in the 30s. The villages gave their crops only because of the bayonets of the red army at first.
          4. DV69
            DV69 6 September 2014 21: 46
            0
            Quote: Civil
            Offend all the excuses, answer the question?


            You yourself do not answer all the questions.
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        3. Shoma-1970
          Shoma-1970 6 September 2014 18: 13
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Quote: Civil
          I understand the USSR defended its ideology, its people's system, but right now what is the meaning of the war? Instead of "Russian" oligarchs, American oligarchs will come ... and what's the difference, they both live in Europe and near the warm seas. Does it make a difference for whom to work?
          congratulations ... you are a SLAVE.



          They are influenced ...
      4. Shoma-1970
        Shoma-1970 6 September 2014 18: 08
        +4
        Quote: Civil
        I understand the USSR defended its ideology, its national system, but right now the meaning of the war is what?

        I’m shocked by your comment! Do you think there is no ideal now, no homeland, or no patriots? You are mistaken, Mr. Civil!
        1. Civil
          Civil 6 September 2014 18: 39
          +2
          Quote: Shoma-1970
          Quote: Civil
          I understand the USSR defended its ideology, its national system, but right now the meaning of the war is what?

          I’m shocked by your comment! Do you think there is no ideal now, no homeland, or no patriots? You are mistaken, Mr. Civil!

          Why do people living here have the concept of patriotism, and do more influential people even have children abroad? I am waiting for a direct answer.
          1. DV69
            DV69 6 September 2014 21: 59
            +3
            Quote: Civil

            Why do people living here have the concept of patriotism, and do more influential people even have children abroad? I am waiting for a direct answer.


            So go and ask the "more powerful people".
            And please name these people, people should know the "heroes" by sight.
            1. Civil
              Civil 6 September 2014 23: 06
              0
              Quote: DV69
              Quote: Civil

              Why do people living here have the concept of patriotism, and do more influential people even have children abroad? I am waiting for a direct answer.


              So go and ask the "more powerful people".
              And please name these people, people should know the "heroes" by sight.

              You have not answered. Nevertheless, you defend the current state of affairs.
              1. DV69
                DV69 6 September 2014 23: 30
                +2
                Quote: Civil
                Quote: DV69
                Quote: Civil

                Why do people living here have the concept of patriotism, and do more influential people even have children abroad? I am waiting for a direct answer.


                So go and ask the "more powerful people".
                And please name these people, people should know the "heroes" by sight.

                You have not answered. Nevertheless, you defend the current state of affairs.


                So you did not answer. I repeat the question. In cases of war, will you also come out with the slogan about the development of a war into a civil one?
                1. Civil
                  Civil 7 September 2014 11: 02
                  0
                  You, too, will come out with the slogan about the development of a war into a civil

                  2 scenarios:
                  1. Fantastic: I will be in a detachment, behind a battalion of majors.
                  2. Realistic: they will try to slaughter us ideological volunteers on the front line first, so as not to waste diesel fuel on mass graves.

                  And to thunder with jubilee orders and medals, then there will be a rear major battalion.
                  1. DV69
                    DV69 7 September 2014 21: 57
                    0
                    Quote: Civil
                    You, too, will come out with the slogan about the development of a war into a civil

                    2 scenarios:
                    1. Fantastic: I will be in a detachment, behind a battalion of majors.
                    2. Realistic: they will try to slaughter us ideological volunteers on the front line first, so as not to waste diesel fuel on mass graves.

                    That is, you are ideological all the same go home to defend. That's good, I personally like this answer.

                    And to thunder with jubilee orders and medals, then there will be a rear major battalion.


                    That is, you are ideological volunteers will go to defend their homeland. That's enough for me.
          2. plebs
            plebs 8 September 2014 02: 31
            0
            Why do people living here have the concept of patriotism, and do more influential people even have children abroad?
            Come on, children of bureaucrats and oligarchs, you ask these patriots, why rest in Egypt and Turkey, where is their patriotism? And no one will fight with us, they will bring bags of money to our generals like Khuseynovsky and they will send an army home. For this, people have been re-educated for 20 years.
      5. Yura
        Yura 6 September 2014 20: 59
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        I understand the USSR defended its ideology, its national system, but right now the meaning of the war is what?

        Not so, Vadim, not so. The USSR defended the people, the citizens of its country, according to Hitler's plans every nine out of ten i.e. 90% should have been destroyed. Ideology, system, oligarchs are secondary, it all changes without outside interference (1917, 1991, these dates, for example). We defended our house, ourselves, our loved ones, relatives, friends, and we will protect. Our people are a hindrance to them. The minus is not mine, it happens sometimes when I do something and think about how to do it myself I’ll break my options, but in reality everything turns out to be simpler, you can screw it on with a screwdriver - it’s better but long, you can hammer it in with a hammer - it’s quick but not ...
      6. Karabanov
        Karabanov 6 September 2014 21: 01
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        I understand the USSR defended its ideology, its people's system, but right now what is the meaning of the war? Instead of "Russian" oligarchs, American ones will come ...

        The author raised the correct topic ... I'm actually talking about this, I have heard such excuses many times. To begin with, for example, in the army we have from a group (20 boys), 7-8 people served. The excuses are as follows - Why is it necessary? Cho I forgot there, to lose 2 years ... etc. etc. Although in reality it was just a banal fear. But it was not kosher to admit it ... In the army, when sending on a business trip (2nd company), not everyone went the same. We (conscripts) wrote the report voluntarily and compulsorily, but whoever categorically refused, he stayed. The officers - some quit, but most were faithful to the oath. After working in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I saw the same story. And the pretexts were the same - "no one wanted to fight for Abramovich's yacht" ... Well, I think the real reasons are already clear.
        Of course, these arguments about the oligarchs and yachts, if you think about it, make sense, but I assure you that this is remembered only when the question becomes an edge and concerns only them.
        For example, it has always been wild and incomprehensible to me if I am a soldier, an officer - that is the defense of the homeland, this is not even work, but duty. A natural question arises - why do you serve your country when you refuse to defend it ... What is the point? Of course, nobody wants to be cannon fodder in an unjust war, but are money, benefits, an apartment the main goals that a person chooses for himself when he enters the army? I want to believe that this is not so.
      7. I am
        I am 6 September 2014 21: 31
        +2
        THERE IS !!!!! And between the concepts of the HOMELAND and the oligarchs - GONE !!!!!!!!
      8. nizrum
        nizrum 6 September 2014 21: 58
        0
        And was there a difference between slaves and serfs?
      9. Past_ Crocodile
        Past_ Crocodile 7 September 2014 02: 08
        +2
        There is a difference! In our country, the president is building oligarchs, and in America, the oligarchs are building the president.
    4. USSR 1971
      USSR 1971 6 September 2014 16: 46
      +40
      The author, of course, touched on that topic. Well, I also served in the army for a little, 23 years and did not go with a calculator, and neither did my officers and soldiers. Over the years, people met differently, not all of them on "five points", there were also thieving naval financiers, and smart-ass logisticians, and talkers from educational structures. But the bulk of them fulfilled their tasks in the 90s, for 5 months without a salary, and in the 200s, without apartments and under the goat Serdyukov with his 400th order. And I'm sure they will continue to do it. And if suddenly someone gets cold feet, then the family has its black sheep, but they are not the basis. The main thing is that society is now on the side of the army, and not as they poured mud at us under Yeltsin. And the enemy is designated and clear. We are Russians, Russia is our home, God is with us.


      PS / Yes, and in the Donbass, our guys help militias to fight the Nazis not for huge salaries and bonuses, they are Russian, not the first time in history.
      1. Tyumen
        Tyumen 6 September 2014 16: 58
        +3
        Quote: USSR 1971
        The main thing is that society is now on the side of the army, and not because we were being poured mud under Yeltsin. And the enemy is marked and clear

        That's right. And then the author whined the whole article, but in the end he took it and answered himself all the questions. Why, one wonders, did he write at all? Good luck to you.
      2. kayman4
        kayman4 6 September 2014 18: 05
        +3
        To judge the army, you need to serve at least in it - I think not many will want to live around the clock in the service for 34-38 thousand rubles (the payment of the company commander of the Taman division, including the surrender of physo for the category and surrender for qualification) under strict statutory presing, and even in towns like the Steppe few people want to live - so about the good is how to say. Well, about "the war will start - who is where and I will go to the forest (and not quit)" - this phrase is at least 30 years old - it's just like a meme would say now. During the war, no one will be fired, even those who have documents on the commander's desk for signatures, and even if you are near death - any competent officer knows this - that's why they joke like that.

        Yes - don’t remember Mironov — there are places there — such nonsense is written — that cast doubt on his book as a source.
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 6 September 2014 16: 57
      +15
      Alas, we have been deceived for many years, calling the Soviet Army a school of life. In fact, an army that has not been at war for many years is rather a school of death.for this one minus you! yes, I have 730 days and nights. had the honor of being in the glorified air regiment, abroad, tried, as far as possible and even more, to provide flights of the regiment, because I knew that I was on the front line, behind me was the country, Motherland, my close ones. Were the 80s, and I will say the pilots "plowed" not childishly! The flights were day and night, and in adverse weather conditions. How are you a cardboard fool in the eyes, look at those who "swept" the airfield with Migov engines day and night ? those who in the cordon "dubaril" under the February German rain? and many and many and many ... ??? how dare you say so ??? am
    6. Vorlon
      Vorlon 6 September 2014 17: 37
      0
      Just give a link. Then think for yourself, decide for yourself. http://el-murid.livejournal.com/. Theme coup.
      1. Vorlon
        Vorlon 6 September 2014 18: 37
        0
        Minus set and hid. Didn’t dare to answer? Apparently I'm right. A small slice of processed food!
    7. Cap-3 USSR
      Cap-3 USSR 7 September 2014 01: 21
      +1
      Russians are always ready for this. It is only inappropriately to associate the whole of Russia and the Army, with the golden youth and computer trolls, and with those units who join the army for money.
    8. Penzyac
      Penzyac 7 September 2014 11: 24
      0
      Quote: Deadmen
      Are the armies that were about to set foot on the land of unconquered peoples ready to kick their aggressors gloriously for 1000 years?

      The question is not in them (these are their problems), but in us.
      Do not rely on the weakness of the enemy, you need to rely on yourself!
    9. bda
      bda 7 September 2014 14: 42
      0
      Deadmen

      Are the armies that were about to set foot on the land of unconquered peoples ready to kick their aggressors gloriously for 1000 years?


      Nurtured by the Anglo-American project of "Islamic reformation", several million Wahhabis around the world are ready to set foot on our land with arms in hand!
      Ready as never before!
      And they also have a fifth column in our land in the person of the "liberal-fagot" pro-Western Russian and national-separatist intelligentsia (democratic design of the anti-Russian massacre), and, most importantly, powerful groups of several hundred thousand Russian Wahhabis (cannon fodder).
    10. vrach
      vrach 8 September 2014 08: 07
      0
      Nevertheless, Putin did well, no matter how, no matter how we argued about the details, the very conflict with the West in Ukraine, the GDP has achieved one very important thing - the continuity of Russian politics, and above all, the authorities for the next 30 years. It will simply be impossible to jump off this topic, who would not come after Putin. And this problem has been a key one in recent years. This is strategic planning, and how it turned out freely or not freely doesn’t matter.
  2. vorobey
    vorobey 6 September 2014 14: 59
    +52
    In fact, an army that has not been at war for many years is rather a school of death.

    the author well in more detail .. how many did not fight the Soviet army?

    It’s hard to prepare for a war and you’re never ready for it and learn everything again .. we were blown up for automatism in a military school and sleepy and with eyes closed we did our job automatically ... but ... as soon as the first tracers sparkled overhead and a warble trot a bullet went over his ear everything that happened .. like an ostrich in the sand ... deliberate actions came only later ... if you lived in the war for three days then you know how to fight ... it's an axiom.
  3. captain
    captain 6 September 2014 15: 04
    +15
    Not in everything, but I agree with the author that money should not be the main motivation for military service. No need to come up with loopholes for the children of officials in the form of the revival of the departments for the training of sergeants. The officers were not very good and the sergeants would not be better.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 6 September 2014 15: 13
      +18
      Quote: captain
      The officers were not very good and the sergeants would not be better.


      not a fact already wrote something about his divisional commander. he also had a jacket ... but ... he kept the division so that the buttocks were constantly tense.
    2. jovanni
      jovanni 6 September 2014 15: 59
      +15
      "... it is impossible that money was the main motivation for serving in the army"

      Money cannot be the main motivation in life! Let's hope that the Chubais Timurovogaydarovites were not able to completely destroy the citizen in each of our people.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 6 September 2014 16: 03
        +3
        Quote: Jovanni
        Money cannot be the main motivation in life! Let's hope that the Chubais Timurovogaydarovites were not able to completely destroy the citizen in each of our people.


        Look at Donetsk with Lugansk. a plus
    3. Constanta
      Constanta 6 September 2014 17: 05
      +2
      Well, why, let there be such departments! But after graduation, without delay, immediately for an urgent period, confirm the rank recourse
    4. kayman4
      kayman4 6 September 2014 18: 58
      +2
      You cannot, cannot, and cannot be rolled up so that a soldier, instead of doing his duties, goes to tax at night or unloads wagons, otherwise the family just has nothing to eat. But it was like that. When you know that everything is okay with your family - fed shod, dressed in pristorino educational institutions - then it will be easier to serve.
  4. alien50
    alien50 6 September 2014 15: 08
    +39
    The article is nothing!
    The author is my personal minus.
    He himself served in the 80s.
    And he always drove a machine gun with him in the car.
    And he was always ready.
    In peacetime.
    And the author asks "Is our army ready", and convinces that in Soviet times it was better to die than to serve 2 years.
    only one who has left the service can say this.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 6 September 2014 15: 32
      +25
      And I would also pay attention to the "message" - "the war will start - I will quit." Dear, WHO WILL LET YOU RELEASE ?! War is, as it is now customary to say "force majeure". Which cancels both weddings and renovations and vacations ... and life itself, IF ORDERED!

      Well, no matter how cynical it may sound, it is much easier to die in a victorious battle than when they tear you, and you cannot do anything to the enemy. Therefore, the task of the army is not to "die for the Motherland", but to "make the enemy die for his Motherland." So it will be much easier for a contract soldier to die for his homeland if he knows that his comrades will reach the enemy capital and put a flag on the main building on his behalf and that his wife and children will not need it, receiving a pension for his loss as a breadwinner ... And these moments should not be missed in any way when preparing the army for
      the war.
      1. raven8888
        raven8888 6 September 2014 16: 24
        +12
        alicante11 (4) SU Today, 15:32 PM
        ... and WHO WILL LET YOU RESIGN ?! ...


        situation in the subject:
        end of July 2008, exercises "Caucasus 2008" (in the Southern Federal District). A city in the Krasnodar Territory, a local recreation center (house of culture). The local lieutenant colonel gathered senior teams (15 people, 27-40 years old) and sets a task in the sense of how to collect people, where to deliver, documents, food, etc., one witty joke periodically and one moment said, they say they will send us and total business.
        The subfloor, without turning its head or changing its tone, reports that in wartime the issue is decided by unofficially (verbatim) execution of people of the 10 most noisy and the next morning the conscripts themselves will find you.
        And interestingly, there were fewer jokes and they began to listen more closely.
        Here is such a humor. Peaceful.
        So those gathered to quit, good luck in maneuvers.
    2. VICTOR-61
      VICTOR-61 6 September 2014 15: 43
      +20
      On the contrary, in Soviet times, it was a shame to squeeze the army away. I myself was called in 80 because of illness they didn’t want to take me, but I insisted and did not regret at all that I served and did not look at me as dystrophic because we loved the ideology of our army that opposed mattresses and NATO
      1. jovanni
        jovanni 6 September 2014 16: 12
        +9
        Likewise! Well, maybe they didn't particularly like ideology, but they completely accepted it and were proud of their service. And the burning eyes of the guys looking at the badges (or even medals) on the chest of the "demobilization"? This was the best patriotic education.
      2. Constanta
        Constanta 6 September 2014 16: 26
        +7
        There are, there are now real guys! My relative served, however, in 2008 ... But what a joke it was! At 16, he went to the draft board and began to prepare without fail in the Airborne Forces. Well, he went to DOSAAF school, then, he got the rights ... No! 2 years every week I was lugging around in the RVK, already with the military commissar almost by the arm ... The officer who was responsible for the call to hide in the offices began. Well, finally sent (Airborne Forces, Novorossiysk),
        the contract did not remain under pressure from relatives (it was necessary to draw up an inheritance). Met, he first thing in the draft board. That officer
        1. Constanta
          Constanta 6 September 2014 16: 50
          +7
          (something was interrupted by my comment, so I continue)
          That officer, as he saw, was stunned - you again ?! "Yes, I, so, shake your hand ..."
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    3. avt
      avt 6 September 2014 15: 49
      +1
      Quote: alien50
      The article is nothing!
      The author is my personal minus.

      Yeah! Especially the passage about the Soviet Army! The campaign "human rights defenders" and "historians" a la Mlechinopivovarovs to some extent and in the memory only "hazing", yes, "filled up with corpses", as with the creation of the ancient people ykrov, who roamed even before dinosaurs on pigs, horses, even before their appearance, were hijacked by the Turks and the Finougorskies led by Rurik, leaving only their brand on the head - a diving falcon. What is this article for? negative What would the grief about the "unpreparedness" all go to drown in the Arctic Ocean? Nooo! I’m better according to Vysotsky’s recipe, well, where - “If it’s true, at least by a third, there is only one thing left - just lie down, die. I was able to survive, felt sorry for me, and took to live with her. " I'd rather go for women and not drown myself, but swim in the warm sea. laughing
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 6 September 2014 16: 26
        +1
        Why this article?

        So that everyone goes and immediately surrenders to NATe. Specially written to sow a grain of doubt and cowardice.
    4. lord
      lord 6 September 2014 16: 29
      +4
      You don’t understand, the officer wrote this or who ... Where did such decadent sentiment come from? If you think like that, then there’s no reason to serve, so what? What kind of gloom? I don’t believe that everyone in the army is directly curled up, I don’t believe it! Minus for the article - do not whine, do not steal, but work, and each in its place! A warrior is not only a vocation, but also a job, and each work must be paid, what's wrong with that? Or according to the author, should the army be poor, but combat-ready?
      1. 23 region
        23 region 6 September 2014 17: 19
        +1
        Quote: wavlad
        Or according to the author, should the army be poor, but combat-ready?

        In this case, the author served in the wrong army, it was necessary to join the North Korean army.
      2. kayman4
        kayman4 6 September 2014 18: 53
        0
        This was written by a civilian who did not serve in the army and expects that if a war starts, the army will go heroically to die (for such monstrosities) - the main thing is that they would not touch him. The main question is not about the readiness of the army, but about the readiness of CITIZENS to fulfill their duty and defend the country.
    5. Underwood
      Underwood 6 September 2014 17: 31
      +3
      Quote: alien50
      The author is my personal minus.
      He himself served in the 80s.
      And he always drove a machine gun with him in the car.
      And he was always ready.
      In peacetime.

      Dude, plus you. Scotskotnoe modern, frail inter-age city, but will not understand the comment.
    6. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 6 September 2014 18: 11
      +2
      Quote: alien50
      Is our army ready ", and convinces that in Soviet times it was better to die than to serve 2 years. So only the one who turned away from service can speak


      Do you doubt that you slanted?
      At all times there were people created for the Army. Well, there were, let’s call them nerds (such nations are also needed). The first ones win the wars, which they themselves fight and teach nerds, and if necessary they will force! The first are studying and PREPARING and, if they have to DIE, the second, almost all BALLAST, but also needed. FIRST to serve: to create the necessary weapons first, to feed and dress the WARRIORS, etc., etc., but they like that. This is of course a MODEL of the anthill, but nature didn’t come up with BETTER anything. Yes, I forgot THIRD! these are parasites: Chubais, Gaidars, oh there are a lot of parasites and, if there is a war, these will disappear. Because, they will neither be protected by the FIRST nor serve by the SECOND! No one will need their tales and chatter!
      1. tokens2
        tokens2 6 September 2014 19: 21
        0
        BALLAST

        Yes, my friend you have views, worse than racist laughing Trotskyist.
        A ball ... a fins, apparently glued in advance by you, will decide progress. And its paths are inscrutable.
        So, even the deaf can be considered resistant to enemy propaganda. laughing and blind crying
        And how many times in history have weak nations defeated stronger ones, simply because of the narrowly specific skills that were used to the maximum.
        Yes, what to discuss ... if the enemy tramples on Russia, it is only under the influence of the "wheels" and the Maidan of the brain caused by SMI.Kak the Germans in 1941.
  5. Dave36
    Dave36 6 September 2014 15: 09
    +19
    The peculiarity of us Russians is that we are for the world, but with the word WAR the hellish light lights up in the eyes !! We are against the war, but if it knocks on us, we will fight with a twinkle, because we love to fight .... and we can. Those who try to equip a new crusade against us, Orthodox fanatics .. may eventually disappear. .
    The opinion is not about the paid Western military analysts similar ... Russia will sweep Europe at one o'clock and with no chance for the latter ....
    Think, decide for yourself ... TO BE or NOT TO BE ....
    1. lord
      lord 6 September 2014 16: 30
      +2
      Honestly, I would love to clean the gayrop from the gayrop!
      1. I am
        I am 6 September 2014 21: 36
        +2
        No, I’d better get it, but I won’t refuse help, it was too painful for them to get divorced. More than rats))))))))))))))))))) But let's start with my beloved Poland !!!!!
  6. Skvor
    Skvor 6 September 2014 15: 09
    +10
    I think that on this question everyone should look for an answer within themselves. How personally are you ready to defend your homeland?
    1. Underwood
      Underwood 6 September 2014 18: 07
      +1
      Quote: Skvor
      I think that on this question everyone should look for an answer within themselves. How personally are you ready to defend your homeland?

      peace bro!
      The libretto for the war will be short. And after it, you and your SCS with an open bayonet will not even have time to say "Manhattan project". Everything will be fast. Pis!
  7. Chaika
    Chaika 6 September 2014 15: 13
    +17
    “Is our Army ready for it?” Again, this will not be about the level of equipment or its provision with modern models of equipment and weapons, but about the level of combat readiness of the military - specifically: the readiness of soldiers and officers ... to die in battle
    . Not a valid question. No one is ready to die it is necessary to be ready to win and Novorossia has clearly shown it! soldier
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 6 September 2014 15: 32
      +7
      Quote: Seagull
      No one is ready to die, you must be ready to win


      plus ... nothing to add ...
  8. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 6 September 2014 15: 13
    +12
    "However," there were people in our time "
    There were, are and will be! And money is not the main, but not the last motivation. The military should live with dignity, provide for their families, and not in a hostel like homeless people!
  9. peter-tank
    peter-tank 6 September 2014 15: 16
    +43
    I would answer the author like this (as an acting officer, 33 calendars, twice in Chechnya). The backbone of any army is the officers. Our officers (even the current generation) are the best that is in the state. Are they ready for self-sacrifice in the name of the motherland? Ready! For example, the Alley of Heroes eloquently speaks about this in the Novosibirsk Higher Military Command of the RF Ministry of Defense, where I am teaching now - 25 Heroes. And what about a similar Alley in Ryazan VVDKU? A soldier always reaches for the commander. At least a conscript, at least a contract soldier.
    What I agree with is that it is necessary to streamline the selection of applicants for a contract. Do not chase the percentage of staffing. Choose the best of the best.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 6 September 2014 15: 20
      +7
      Quote: piter-tank
      The backbone of any army is the officers. Our officers (even the current generation) are the best that is in the state.


      good hi
    2. Koltsov norm
      Koltsov norm 6 September 2014 15: 53
      +4
      ... a soldier always reaches for the commander. At least a conscript, at least a contract soldier.

      All the men in our family served in the army, both in wartime and in peacetime, and my grandfather went through civil, Finnish, and Patriotic war.
      And they all said that the soldier should be brought up by the commander and by his own example.

      By the way, I would never have thought that they were releasing a plan for contractors. The contract is a contract, and a person should initially have the concept that he receives denyushki for the fact that he must go to defend his homeland at any moment and that he can be killed. Is it not indicated in the contract? There, in fact, there should be about insurance, and about military and about responsibility and about rights ...

      And yet, what's wrong with having an army? The point is not how much and what the contract soldiers receive, but that the soldiers and officers know what they are paid for and given all sorts of preferences. And again, their commanders should explain this to them.
    3. kyznets
      kyznets 6 September 2014 16: 19
      +9
      Dear Fathers, Commanders! I really respect the military officers. But my son served in Khabarovsk in a motorbike - 2010-2011. That's about his officers, I have a slightly different opinion. And the combat readiness is also not optimistic. I do not want to expand this topic, but for the year there were no, namely, NO classes in combat and special training. For half a year the soldier rushes about in spirit, for half a year the soldier lives to a demobilization. But I'm not talking about that. It can be local and only in my case - not indicative, maybe.
      And if you recall 1941 and really extrapolate to our time, then what happens? With a sufficient number of military officers it was with them - with personnel, fired, that the German reached Moscow. But the victory was brought, the Germans were driven to Berlin and Vienna, most of them were reserve workers - teachers, engineers, agronomists, accountants. This is dictated by the laws of mobilization. They were officers and commanders of the VICTORY. And I’m sure that this will happen again, if necessary, in the sense of VICTORY and the main burden of the war will be borne not by personnel personnel, but by storekeepers, we, ordinary engineers, teachers, accountants, etc. Contractors are actually warming our place for us, and make sure that weapons and equipment do not rust before our arrival, as this does not sound bad. But the question of the possibility and willingness to die FOR THE MOTHERLAND, I consider the main issue in the war. And this is proved by the victory of the militias in New Russia. If our military personnel proved their readiness to die for the MOTHERLAND and for JUSTICE, judging by the real paths of the heroes, then the war in Novorosiya proves that this readiness exists to die for the MOTHERLAND and for JUSTICE among the reservists - volunteers in the militia of non-military professions who became heroes and professionals - a thunderstorm regular military units and a threat to NATO itself in Europe. In general, indeed, time will tell everything.
      1. serega73
        serega73 6 September 2014 19: 06
        +6
        About fathers-commanders ... I served 93-94, internal troops, operational regiment. Constantly, every week - shooting, tactical exercises in the field, motorized rifle, and explosive tactics. Full readiness of the regiment, the duty unit decreases within 30 minutes, followed by the entire regiment within an hour and a half (only the guard and daily dress remain). I myself was surprised, because before the call from demobilized guys I heard only all garbage about harvesting fields, etc. nonsense, and about the machine, which is only given the oath, and twice a year to shoot at the final checks. And there was a business trip to the Caucasus, no one drove by force, everyone who did not want to go was invited to fail. Only a couple of people came out, one for real reasons, the mother was in a serious condition in the hospital, and the second one popped up. Everyone realized how possible it was for 19 years that there was a chance to die. But still they were driving. And they fought. So, my opinion is that few of us will go to surrender. And it depends on the work of the commanders in the first place. I respect my commanders of the regiment, battalion, and company.
        1. Karabanov
          Karabanov 6 September 2014 22: 00
          0
          Quote: serega73
          I served 93-94 years, internal troops, operational regiment. Constantly, every week - shooting, tactical exercises in the field, motorized rifle, and explosive tactics. Full readiness of the regiment, the duty unit decreases within 30 minutes, followed by the entire regiment within an hour and a half (only the guard and daily dresses remain). I myself was surprised, because before the call from demobilized guys I heard only all garbage about harvesting fields, etc. nonsense, and about the machine, which is only given the oath, and twice a year to shoot at the final checks.

          Actually, this is true ... It all depends on which unit you serve in. You can eat up somewhere in the food warehouse, feed the pigs, or build a summer cottage for the general ... But sometimes you die at field exits, tactics and march-throws ... Himself from the operational regiment of the explosives, but according to the stories of friends and acquaintances they have a service went differently.
      2. Moncyber
        Moncyber 6 September 2014 21: 56
        +3
        For all the time I served in the army, I was at the training range THREE times and shot from the AK (and then, they gave 10 rounds only)! This does not fit into any framework. What can they teach in such an army ?!
        1. yvk-evg
          yvk-evg 7 September 2014 06: 20
          +1
          He served in 79-81 years. At the training ground they took out half a year of training 3 times. From the machine gun they allowed to shoot 1 time, 3 cartridges single. Then the officers and ensign rushed from the heart - several horns from any position and almost in dance! You should have seen how the boys burned their eyes in 4-year-old boys! How all of them wanted to shoot enough !!! But ... But on the specialty (radio operators) drove us to fainting, to the blood from the nose! For that, the guys came out of the training asami boys! Radio operators of the General Staff of the Moscow Region (by the way, all Ukrainians from the Ukrainian SSR) could not keep up with us at the reception speeds and often gave us ShchRS (reduce speed) and even ShchB (change operator - you get a lip automatically or, at best, an outfit). They made us radio aces such that even officers and ensigns were not competitors to our conscripts. By the way, most of the officers of the training battalion and communication regiment were Russian Germans, and even the only Jewish officer was with the name Schwartz (forever after a day he stood up on duty as to whether he was still young or because the Germans were around).
      3. Moncyber
        Moncyber 6 September 2014 21: 59
        +1
        Although taught to disassemble and assemble the machine, gored to clean it, because the commanders had nothing to take l / s.
    4. raven8888
      raven8888 6 September 2014 16: 27
      +1
      piter-tank RU Today, 15:16
      ... a soldier always reaches for the commander ...

      100% true
  10. Skvor
    Skvor 6 September 2014 15: 18
    +3
    By the way, combatants in our country have long been wealthy people. They were close to the prince, had a percentage of captured trophies. What did not stop them from beating the enemy mercilessly and fearlessly.
  11. tomket
    tomket 6 September 2014 15: 19
    -1
    Well, we already went through this, say, in 39, service in the ranks of the Red Army was honorable and prestigious, and gave many different benefits both in the form of monetary allowance and in the form of material. But 41 came, and all sorts of "random people" undoubtedly contributed to such a massive phenomenon as "drap of 41", And by the way, the retreat actually stopped when the regular army died in the boilers. This is not the main factor, but nevertheless it is not the last.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 6 September 2014 15: 52
      +5
      The function of the personnel army is to restrain the aggressor as long as possible, in order to recruit reservists who complete the war. But I do not like your attitude to the personnel army of the USSR until the age of 41.
      1. kayman4
        kayman4 6 September 2014 19: 03
        +1
        He simply did not read his memoirs - the army was in the middle of a reformation. In fact, according to the memoirs of the military themselves, the most combat-ready units were in the Far East and they played their role near Moscow.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 6 September 2014 20: 52
          0
          I don’t want to say "like now", but the thoughts are disturbing ...
        2. tomket
          tomket 6 September 2014 22: 18
          +2
          Quote: kayman4
          He simply did not read his memoirs - the army was in the middle of a reformation.

          Apparently you did not read the memoirs, because the most combat-ready units we had were in the Kiev special district. How many modern weapons did we have in the Far East at 41? You would think with your head before writing such nonsense. Stalin was such an idiot that in the first place he armed and sent the most combat-ready units to hell on the horns, away from the Soviet-Polish border. By the way, the 37 purges in command and the subsequent dismissals from the Army were sent for removal unwanted items. Voroshilov’s same report on the extent of drunkenness in the Red Army, and even the wording of Blucher’s sentence speaks volumes.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 6 September 2014 22: 36
            +2
            Quote: tomket
            Voroshilov’s same report on the extent of drunkenness in the Red Army, and even the wording of Blucher’s sentence speaks volumes.

            It was, girls, it was ...
          2. DV69
            DV69 6 September 2014 22: 40
            0
            tomket

            I would also like to recall the betrayal of the highest military leadership, for example, General Pavlov.
            1. tomket
              tomket 6 September 2014 22: 51
              +1
              Quote: DV69
              General Pavlov for example.

              I’m not personally convinced of the direct betrayal by Pavlov. In my opinion, the person simply did not comply with his post, and acted on the basis of careerism, rather than strengthening the country's defense capabilities and the troops entrusted to him.
              1. DV69
                DV69 6 September 2014 23: 09
                0
                Quote: tomket
                Quote: DV69
                General Pavlov for example.

                I’m not personally convinced of the direct betrayal by Pavlov. In my opinion, the person simply did not comply with his post, and acted on the basis of careerism, rather than strengthening the country's defense capabilities and the troops entrusted to him.


                And what about direct non-execution of bet orders? For example, in a place that would disperse the troops and bring them to combat readiness (21 00 21.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX), Pavlov ordered not to succumb to provocations "
          3. Dart2027
            Dart2027 6 September 2014 23: 03
            0
            It means that in the Far East there were troops who had real combat experience gained in clashes with the Japanese. The troops on the border with Poland did not have such an experience.
            Otherwise, everything is correct.
            1. tomket
              tomket 7 September 2014 00: 52
              0
              Quote: Dart2027
              that in the Far East there were troops having real combat experience gained in clashes with the Japanese. The troops on the border with Poland did not have such an experience.

              Just don’t forget that Zhukov didn’t stay in the Far East, Smushkevich and his air group didn’t settle there either, the 82 motorized rifle division to Khankin Gall was deployed from the Perm Territory, and the 37 tank brigade was deployed from the Moscow military district. In addition, you forget about the Finnish war, as well as about the colossal experience gained by our troops and the command of the entrance to this conflict.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 7 September 2014 06: 52
                0
                In the Finnish War, the conditions of operations were specific - the SA tried to break through the line of fortifications and conduct counter-sabotage operations. They fought with the Japanese in a style closer to what was required for the war with the Germans.
                Part of the army was transferred to the Far East from the west, and then back, but most of the troops there remained as they were originally. Actually, the surrender of the grouping of our troops near Kiev was a distracting maneuver that allowed us to transfer troops from the Far East to Moscow.
          4. kayman4
            kayman4 7 September 2014 06: 03
            0
            You have vague ideas about the army. 1 manned division is much better than the corps being in the process of formation even if it has more tanks and people. - And the troops in OKVO were in the formation stage. Even now, when forming part of its year, it is forbidden to subject to checks, because this will only slow down its formation process and make confusion. In the Far East there was a complete unit that studied planned, the deployment of a mobile reserve was organized, the rear units were mobilized - all this was not in the West but was in the formation stage.
      2. tomket
        tomket 6 September 2014 22: 27
        +1
        Took a pancake habit to paint everything before the military in white colors. And our generals were saints (including the Tukhachevsky, Blukherov, and other Sterns with Kirpanos), and our soldiers were all granite, not a step backwards since June 22. But as you touch the drapes of 41 years old and the retreat to the Volga, they cannot bring anything intelligible except for the minuses in counterbalance. For understanding, I advise you to read, for example, "I fought in the penal battalion" by A. Drabkin, there are very good moments when one officer with a submachine gun stops the company drape, and general crossbows and capture of masses of deserters in the front line. This is so, speaking of "the infallibility of the Red Army and the common soldier."
        1. DV69
          DV69 6 September 2014 22: 36
          0
          Quote: tomket
          Took a pancake habit to paint everything before the military in white colors. And our generals were saints (including the Tukhachevsky, Blukherov, and other Sterns with Kirpanos), and our soldiers were all granite, not a step backwards since June 22. But as you touch the drapes of 41 years old and the retreat to the Volga, they cannot bring anything intelligible except for the minuses in counterbalance. For understanding, I advise you to read, for example, "I fought in the penal battalion" by A. Drabkin, there are very good moments when one officer with a submachine gun stops the company drape, and general crossbows and capture of masses of deserters in the front line. This is so, speaking of "the infallibility of the Red Army and the common soldier."


          Well, Drabkin is probably a serious military historian who studies the history of the Second World War.
          1. tomket
            tomket 6 September 2014 22: 41
            0
            Quote: DV69
            Drabkin is probably a serious military historian who studies the history of VO

            Drabkin is probably the last one now, who collects and publishes the memoirs of the last veterans, and does not come up with inventions from his own head, which is why he is valuable.
            1. DV69
              DV69 6 September 2014 23: 46
              0
              Quote: tomket

              Drabkin is probably the last one now, who collects and publishes the memoirs of the last veterans, and does not come up with inventions from his own head, which is why he is valuable.


              Well done. Memories of veterans are certainly good. Where are the documents?
      3. tomket
        tomket 6 September 2014 22: 31
        0
        Quote: dr.star75
        The function of the personnel army is to restrain the aggressor as long as possible, in order to recruit reservists who complete the war. But I do not like your attitude to the personnel army of the USSR until 41.

        Did you just come up with this doctrine? Or do you have Stalin's plan dated 40 years, where he is going to fight for 5 years? Did you think that the corps' mechs were also created in order to hold back the enemy, while they recruit the non-fired and untrained? And 10 thousand tanks in the Western districts, this is also what would be stamped in the appendage 40 thousand t-34s in five years? Or was there still the doctrine of "little blood on foreign territory ????? Excuse me, but what does the attitude have to do with it ??? Do you deny the fact of the defeat of the Red Army in the main directions? Do you deny the death of the bulk of the troops of the Western and Southern fronts in the boilers in 41 years? Do you deny such a phenomenon as a mass drape?
        1. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 7 September 2014 23: 51
          0
          Quote: tomket
          Or was it the doctrine of "little blood on foreign territory ?????

          Field Charter of the Red Army 1939 of the year (PU-39)
          2. The defense of our country is an active defense.
          The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics will respond to any attack by the enemy with a crushing blow to the full power of its armed forces.
          Our war against the attacking enemy will be the fairest of all wars that the history of mankind knows.
          If the enemy imposes war on us, the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army will be the most attacking army that has ever attacked.
          We will conduct the war offensively, with the most decisive goal of completely destroying the enemy on his own territory....
          14. Defense will be needed whenever defeating an adversary by an offensive in a given situation is impossible or impractical.
          Defense must be indestructible and insurmountable for the enemy, no matter how strong he is in this direction. It should consist of stubborn resistance, depleting the physical and moral strength of the enemy, and a decisive counterattack, causing him complete defeat. Thus, the defense must achieve victory by small forces over a numerically superior enemy....
          23. At different stages of the development of war, methods of warfare will not remain the same. During the war, the conditions of the struggle will change. New means of struggle will appear. Therefore, the methods of warfare will also change.
          The tactics of action must be changed, and new methods of warfare must be found, if the changed situation requires it.
          In any conditions and in all cases, the powerful blows of the Red Army should lead to the complete destruction of the enemy and the rapid achievement of a decisive victory with little blood.
  12. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 6 September 2014 15: 20
    +3
    And why do I actually doubt it? The motivation for the service of the current military is alarming. More and more rarely, I come across among them people who correspond to the high calling of the defender of the Motherland, who sincerely love their profession, are proud of it, and, as a result, who live in the service even outside of it: it was these “servants” who sufficed at the time of my officers and my father, also a military man . Today, more and more often come across "businessmen" who came to the army with selfish motives.

    Such people have always been and will be. Take, for example, such a category of military personnel as warrant officers and warrant officers or overseers from Soviet times, transformed into modern contract soldiers. In childhood and adolescence, I don’t remember something of the boys who dreamed of becoming ensigns and over-conscripts. But the officers - as many as you want. Many of them (ensigns) became the will of chance, incl. and for commercial interests. And already in the process of service, depending on the conditions (position, place of service), these interests could become main. But the current system of monetary allowances and bonuses for military personnel, I think really puts material interests above everything else. Hence the abuses of commanders in bonuses and the unhealthy atmosphere in the collectives of officers, and even more so of ordinary soldiers.
  13. pravednik
    pravednik 6 September 2014 15: 20
    +2
    Yes, it’s difficult, it will be very difficult for the army to start at the beginning of the war. But the first days will show who is who. But the article is very correct. And those who already say that if the war starts, I’ll quit right away, they’ll already be traitors and will shoot in the future in the back. Those who at the start of the war will quit immediately under the tribunal.
  14. DMB-75
    DMB-75 6 September 2014 15: 20
    +23
    ... the author of this article was a poor military man, or was not at all negative
  15. kr33sania
    kr33sania 6 September 2014 15: 21
    +2
    The correct article. In essence, the current contract soldiers have turned into well-paid archers. For which patriotism and the defense of the homeland is far from the first place. They go to the troops, in fact, not to serve, but TO FEED. Of course, not everything is 100%, but there are quite a few of them. Peter the Great got rid of the archers, when they will take for us and turn them into worthy professionals - patriots, and if they don’t turn them, they will drive them in three necks.
    1. tomket
      tomket 6 September 2014 15: 27
      +9
      archers, by the way, were some kind of professionals before Peter's Russia, and in the initial period of their existence, they were very effective.
      1. kr33sania
        kr33sania 6 September 2014 16: 49
        +3
        By virtue of the principles of their organization (hereditary service, permission to start farming), the archers by the time of Peter turned from the army into an estate that had enough strength (nevertheless, it was a military estate) and enough desire to try to pursue its own policy. In particular, the streltsy commanders tried to dictate to whom to sit on the throne and to whom to govern the state. All this was clearly manifested during the streltsy riots of 1682 and 1698.
        Of course, Peter, who pursued a policy of strengthening state power, did not need this armed freemen, he was going to replace it with a new type of regular army that would deal with war, and not politics (this process began before Peter, but Peter sharply accelerated it).
        1. Underwood
          Underwood 6 September 2014 18: 34
          0
          Quote: kr33sania
          By virtue of the principles of his device ... All this was clearly manifested during the archery riots of 1682 and 1698.
          Peter, the policy maker

          And why these excursions and intellects? tomket actually specific
          Quote: tomket
          periud
          meant. And under
          Quote: tomket
          very effective.
          apparently meant the capture of Kazan. Why are you clan-estate garbage dragged something?
    2. The centurion
      The centurion 6 September 2014 17: 00
      +1
      Quote: kr33sania
      Peter I got rid of the archers

      With its aggressive policy, Sweden has turned against itself all its not weak neighbors: Denmark, Poland and Brandenburg. Many lands of these countries were captured by Sweden under the previous kings Gustav Adolf and Karl X Gustav. King Charles XII was young and inexperienced, but he actively continued the warlike policy of his ancestors, in addition, he intensified repression against the oligarchy of the occupied Baltic lands. In response, the Master of the Livonian Order, von Patkul, became the inspiration for the coalition against Karl. In 1699, Russia secretly joined this coalition, but only after the conclusion of peace with Turkey did it engage in hostilities. But the beginning of the war was tragic. The fact is that the basis of the combat readiness and combat effectiveness of the Russian army during the previous two centuries was deliberate (permanent and professional) rifle troops. But they with great distrust (and this is putting it mildly) reacted to Peter's reforms and in his absence they raised a mutiny, which was brutally suppressed. As a result of the tsar's "search" and terrible repressions, the streltsy army was liquidated. The country was left virtually without a permanent combat-ready regular army. The terrible defeat at Narva was a cruel retribution for these thoughtless reforms.
      1. Koltsov norm
        Koltsov norm 7 September 2014 00: 04
        0
        And here in Russia, Serdyukov, the manager of the furniture, was ruining the army very methodically. That's who exactly came into the army for feeding, so is he. Four years ago my grandfather was alive, so he said that he had a deja vu; in 39, the army was also destroyed
  16. djtyysq
    djtyysq 6 September 2014 15: 22
    -9
    Putting a minus to the author of the article, next to (if possible) would put the Gallows for him !!!
    1. RONIN-HS
      RONIN-HS 6 September 2014 15: 52
      +4
      Do you actually hear what they said ..?
      The man simply CRITICIZED only some army questions, and you ...? fool
      You have to be more adequate ... comrade ... negative
      1. kayman4
        kayman4 6 September 2014 19: 24
        +3
        It is easiest to criticize - especially if you yourself have not been there. The essence of the article is simple - is our "snickering" army ready to die heroically defending me and my business? Therefore, the comrade wrote about the gallows. And I will also answer TS - no, I'm not ready to die defending snickering dudes in civilian life - in case of war, we are ready to give you time to shake off the civilian fat to come to the military registration and enlistment offices to organize in the unit to take up arms and protect your country your families as that requires your CIVIL DUTY.
    2. Karabanov
      Karabanov 6 September 2014 22: 10
      +2
      Quote: djtyysq
      Putting a minus to the author of the article, next to (if possible) would put the Gallows for him !!!

      This is in vain ... The author, in fact, talks about the shift of values ​​among military personnel. He voiced the problem correctly. It’s worth thinking about ... Although in my opinion the problem is much wider, and its roots are in society.
      1. kayman4
        kayman4 7 September 2014 06: 19
        +1
        The army is the consistency of society - in our society everything has shifted towards the dough, and people come to the army from society. I do not understand what the indignation is? The fact is that in the army there are also people who also want to work normally, and not 24 hours a day and get normal money for it, and not swallow saliva, seeing how a dude who works several times less and on easier work goes to Bali and at home already at 17.00 drinking a beer? At the same time, he walks in a jacket and you in a green robe soaked in sweat, salary, gunpowder and dust. And for the observance of the rules in the army it was necessary for a long time to undertake because all this "extracurricular work" is from the inability of the higher chiefs to organize the work. Yes, and the bosses themselves sometimes solve their problems during the day, and at night looking dump work on subordinates. At the same time, 1-2 people often work, the rest sit stupidly and wait for a signal. I think we need to start paying the military for "overtime" as in civilian life - when it comes to money, then the attitude is different - then the boss will think before leaving the people out of boredom toil about stupidity. But study-study is planned and now the battalion in a year shoots more than a division in 5 years before.
  17. tomket
    tomket 6 September 2014 15: 25
    +12
    By the way, the paratroopers showed that not everyone in the Army was ready not only to die, but even to refrain from unnecessary verbiage
    1. dld35057
      dld35057 6 September 2014 16: 11
      +2
      Neher on a jeepies to go. To see not once there went here and knocked down coordinates. Accepted with smartphones. On a pigsty. Let them serve.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 6 September 2014 17: 55
      +1
      Quote: tomket
      By the way, the paratroopers showed that not everyone in the Army was ready not only to die, but even to refrain from unnecessary verbiage

      Yeah, they got a disgrace ...
  18. andrey70179
    andrey70179 6 September 2014 15: 28
    +29
    Where are we going? I will say for myself, there are contradictions in the soul, and the insult to power is not everywhere and everything is as it should and it’s not a gift either, but when the first bombs fly into the yard I won’t think about Vova or Dima, I’ll think about mother, about children, about neighbors, about mother-in-law (torn goat), about her city, etc., etc. because it is my homeland, and I will not have another. Therefore, I will take my old PKM and go to the realm of eternal hunting. And I'm not the only one. Not for the loot, but for conscience.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 6 September 2014 15: 35
      +5
      Quote: andrey70179
      about mother-in-law (torn goat


      harshly ...

      Where are we. is there a victory?
    2. igor1981
      igor1981 6 September 2014 15: 45
      +4
      It is well said, in which case, they will not fight for GDP or DAM, but for their family, for their home, for their future.
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 6 September 2014 16: 55
      +5
      Quote: andrey70179
      because it is my homeland, and I will not have another. Therefore, I will take my old PKM and go to the realm of eternal hunting. And I'm not the only one. Not for the loot, but for conscience.

      I would like to clarify a little: for example, I will still really, really try to survive. To return home with this same RMB, and let someone try to forbid me to go along the river bank, motivating it by the fact that "this is private property". Or to pick mushrooms in a "private hunting ground". Because I am sure the owners of these "private lands" will not be with me in the same trench. And defending the Motherland, I will be forced to protect them and their property. Is this fair? Why 1941 for the Germans was shocking? In the letters of the Wehrmacht soldiers were the following words: "The Russians are fighting for this land as if it belongs to them personally." But it was so. Forests, fields, rivers, roads, parks, and everything around was common, national. Many now feel that everything around them belongs to them personally? This injustice should be eliminated, And then no enemy of Russia will be terrible.
  19. mig31
    mig31 6 September 2014 15: 29
    +3
    I have no doubt about the complete victory of Russia in the upcoming war with the enemies of the world and the Russians (look into the history of Russia), God forbid, of course ...
  20. the polar
    the polar 6 September 2014 15: 31
    +5
    The two-year term of service must be restored. Everyone who is fit for health, including the "golden sons" ... These immediately go to the border guards in Chukotka, on Novaya Zemlya. And contract soldiers are former super-conscripts, and they should be recruited for a contract immediately after military service and undergo six-month special training courses - the support and hope of the combat commander
    1. tomket
      tomket 6 September 2014 15: 38
      +9
      Quote: Polar
      including the "golden sons" ..

      The Golden Sons will go only when the "elite" in the country becomes pro-Russian. If it remains alien to the people and the country in its essence, do not expect a single offspring in the ranks of the RF Armed Forces under any circumstances. They would rather become the rank and file of Honduras.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 6 September 2014 15: 43
        +2
        Quote: tomket
        Golden sons will go only when the "elite" in the country becomes pro-Russian


        do not tell my old slippers ... does not depend on one another ..
        1. tomket
          tomket 6 September 2014 21: 03
          +2
          Quote: vorobey
          .. does not depend on one another ..

          Can I remind you of the fate of Yakov Stalin, or, for example, the flights of Vasily Stalin on combat missions without a parachute? According to you, either the sons and Stalin are not the elite, or Stalin did not "accept the country with a plow, but left it with a nuclear bomb"
  21. arane
    arane 6 September 2014 15: 34
    +8
    "In the army, we have been convinced for a long time that the main thing, even in battle, is to survive! At any cost! And this is essentially correct"

    Dear author, apparently he served in some other army!
    The main task of the Russian soldier is to help the enemy soldier die for their homeland.

    But seriously, the main thing is the performance of a combat mission! A warrior, puzzled by the task of surviving at all costs (if this is not his combat mission, this also happens) ..... it is better if he will not be in battle at all
    1. fox21h
      fox21h 6 September 2014 15: 51
      +1
      Quote: arane
      "In the army, we have been convinced for a long time that the main thing, even in battle, is to survive! At any cost! And this is essentially correct"

      Dear author, apparently he served in some other army!
      The main task of the Russian soldier is to help the enemy soldier die for their homeland.

      But seriously, the main thing is the performance of a combat mission! A warrior, puzzled by the task of surviving at all costs (if this is not his combat mission, this also happens) ..... it is better if he will not be in battle at all

      This is even prescribed by the Jews in the soldier’s code.
    2. Diver
      Diver 6 September 2014 16: 54
      +2
      But what about the "committees of soldiers' mothers", how are SIM cards to call home, what is the combat mission? What if they kill the defender? What if a tank runs over you? Will the evil grandfathers hurt? will the Ukrainians take prisoner? They are not warriors. A soldier must be educated from childhood. And what kind of a fighter he is if in childhood he played in a reketer and watched the "patriotic" TV series Brigada. The main thing is to snatch and dump, and not perform some mysterious combat mission.
      1. Koltsov norm
        Koltsov norm 7 September 2014 00: 10
        +1
        the committees of soldiers' mothers are like an NGO or a Helsinki group, the ruins of Alekseev. they received rapid development under Serdyukov, who had a clearly structured task — to rob and destroy the Army.
  22. cap54
    cap54 6 September 2014 15: 34
    +3
    I liked the article, and the author put a big plus. I consider the issues that the author raised for discussion to be timely and correct. My son served the term set for him in the army (that’s because, a word like that - TIME — like in prison some kind of ...), but when asked about further service in the ranks of our army I got the answer: Yes, it went there and there ... But in general the army taught him nothing - the school of life, and death - no !!! Only a nasty grimace on his face ... Yes, and Mr. Taburetkin did his best to break up this once formidable structure, and the broken saucer - as they say - cannot be glued !!! Our great army must now be rebuilt from the very beginning !!! Again and alright! What would the service in the army really be honorable and respected by everyone !!! And then we will have a strong and powerful, for the most part - ARMY !!!
  23. Deadmen
    Deadmen 6 September 2014 15: 35
    0
    multinational Russia gloriously about ... annoys any aggressor.
  24. Dart2027
    Dart2027 6 September 2014 15: 37
    +3
    today it has opened wide the gates of the checkpoint not only for “real men”, as the poster calls say, but also for all fit for health reasons, adults of both sexes, including foreigners who want, if not to improve their financial situation, to solve apartment and other the questions
    How does this differ from the army on the draft, when they take everyone in a row from eighteen years old? Or is the author sure that every conscript is certainly a hero, simply because he is an conscript?
    you go to a job called a service, and the state agrees to provide you with a set of benefits
    In fact, officers in the Soviet army also received salaries and benefits. What's next?
    You were going to get married, you just got an apartment and plan to do some repairs or are waiting for a vacation to spend it in Bali, and then ... some kind of war.
    The author is unhappy with the fact that contract soldiers think about how they live outside the checkpoint? Well, any soldier thinks about it, at least someone is an conscript. This is normal.

    In general, another nagging in the style of:
    "Chef, it's all gone"
    Nobody wants to die, but everyone wants to live. That is human nature. In peacetime, the army inevitably relaxes. It is also in human nature. Who is ready to die for his country can be found out only when it comes to this choice, and not in theory, but in practice. It is no coincidence that our ancestors said:
    "Do not boast on your way to the army, but boast on your way from the army."
    1. kayman4
      kayman4 6 September 2014 19: 31
      0
      The author is worried about his vacation in Bali - in case of war he should not be called upon:) For 90% of the military, vacation passes no further than 300-400 km from the duty station. What is Bali
  25. gmasterbit
    gmasterbit 6 September 2014 15: 39
    +4
    the question is whether our army is ready or not for war, we will get an answer in Ukraine. I think few people already think that it’s some militias who drive atoms like garbage cats. So there is a run-in and a check of our armed forces. In any case, conclusions will be drawn and a strategy will be developed .
  26. AUL
    AUL 6 September 2014 15: 40
    +3
    Article plus. An honest article, without childish urya-patriotism. Unfortunately, this is the inconvenient, clumsy truth that many would not want to hear. Materialism and craving for comfort prevail over patriotism (real, not slogan!) And what else can you expect if you are shouted from the TV every day - “take everything from life ! " And that something needs to be given away is not advertised.
    It is somewhat consoling that our potential friends are much more infected with this.
    1. Elizabeth
      Elizabeth 6 September 2014 18: 51
      +2
      Honest article, without childish patriotism.

      I think it’s not fair to call this article honest. Each statement can be either true or false.
      Tell me, gentlemen, is this statement true?
      Alas, we have been deceived for many years, calling the Soviet Army a school of life. In fact, an army that has not been at war for many years is rather a school of death.

      This is about what army is said - "for many years not at war"?
      This is about what army is said "school of death"?
      Is the person who wrote this and who called it "honest" honored?
      Yes, there are many problems, but you have to be honest. But you have to have the honor!
    2. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 6 September 2014 20: 27
      0
      exactly! if the Minister of Education of Russia declares that the main task of the school is to educate a competent USER then ... am
  27. Pokalchuk
    Pokalchuk 6 September 2014 15: 41
    0
    Auto RU
    In the second sentence of the text, there is an unnecessary "NOT", which crosses out the meaning of the sentence.
  28. Signaller
    Signaller 6 September 2014 15: 42
    +1
    Words from the topic
    Therefore, more than once I heard such confessions of professional defenders, said in their spiritual simplicity: "And if the war starts, I will quit."
    But from this place and in more detail. In this very place. that between the legs of the stirrer .. Everything from the screw. OATH. And the one who babbles about this will be the first to attack, otherwise the penal battalion, which will be for officers. Swam know. Here, immediately, the mobilization will arrive in time, so that the rear ones ..... they will not sit under the skirt of his wife.
  29. cosmos132
    cosmos132 6 September 2014 15: 43
    +3
    And the war is on the verge. So how ready is our Army for it?

    The war never stopped, sometimes less, then more flared up. Threshold of what? Russia? The world of Orthodoxy !!! And the war was always going on in him. Not the army is ready (it is always ready), but are WE ready?
  30. borru74
    borru74 6 September 2014 15: 44
    +6
    As I understand this officer wrote this work, the question is which officer, staff sharkun or combat? It seems staff, a huge minus. No matter how the peoples of the Russian state seem relaxed along with the Russian state’s skeleton, anyway, whoever comes to us with a sword and dies will ALWAYS BE ACTUAL! In any situation in the state !!!!!! soldier
    RUSSIA AND ITS ARMY BONE, THIS PLANET FOR PROTECTION FROM PARASITES !!!!!
  31. Iline
    Iline 6 September 2014 15: 44
    +8
    I recall my service - the 80s, the moneyless 90s along with Chechnya, the end of the 2000s with South Ossetia. There was never a desire to quit service and leave to earn money, although there were opportunities. What moved me? I can’t express it in an accessible way, but the measure of responsibility for the calmness of my country was enormous. And this is not for the money (who served in those years will understand me).
    When bullets begin to whistle over you and you realize that they are not single, fear sets in. No, not panic, but fear. This is natural for every person, there is nothing shameful in this. But how do you overcome this fear in yourself and what will be the motivation for overcoming - each has his own. And here you will not get the algorithm of action in your head on any political information.
    I look at the current army with some sadness. On the one hand, I am happy for them: money allowance per month, as in our times for a year, and provision, and new equipment. On the other hand, I would like the best representatives of Russia to be selected into this army who do not confuse filling their own wallet with love for their homeland and their people. People for whom the state of their own wallet would be only a pleasant moment in evaluating decent military work.
    1. arane
      arane 6 September 2014 16: 42
      +4
      I agree completely! Fear is the body's normal response to danger. Overcoming fear is victory! Victory over oneself. Only one who knows nothing is not afraid. Overcoming fear helps constant exhausting workouts and exercises. Well, of course, personal qualities.
      And he who fears nothing does not live long.
  32. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 6 September 2014 15: 45
    +1
    New Russia showed pravosekah that war for them is not the best solution to their problems. Their desire has greatly subsided! So it’s not a fact that the war on our border did not benefit us!
  33. Vladimir Petrov
    Vladimir Petrov 6 September 2014 15: 46
    +2
    People are drawn into the war. And the moment comes when passion and adrenaline take over death. Hemingway said: "Whoever knows the hunt for armed men and falls in love with it, will no longer want to know anything else."
  34. sever.56
    sever.56 6 September 2014 15: 46
    +5
    To read the author, so in our army everyone became accountants, who only count how much he cut down the dough. Defense of the Fatherland is the tenth business for him. Maybe there are such, but I’m sure that for the vast majority of our officers and soldiers the concepts - HONOR, DIGNITY, FATHERLAND, FAITH - are in the first place. There are a great many examples of this. At least how officers and contractors take holidays and go to fight for the Russian World and New Russia. Author-minus.
  35. Mimocrocodile
    Mimocrocodile 6 September 2014 15: 46
    +8
    It is unlikely that the author of the article will read my comment, but then I want to redirect the question to readers. Here’s a novel washing our bones with our contract soldiers, they say they’re unmotivated, they won’t be able to protect anyone ... But for some reason nothing has been said about the army of our overseas comrades and others like them. Or is there a motivation for a runaway convict from the Foreign Legion to lie belly on an embrasure in the name of France?
    1. Wladimir71
      Wladimir71 6 September 2014 21: 28
      0
      That they in the Donbass gathered up and the truce is probably because of them. the advisers pressed the powder.
  36. Grbear
    Grbear 6 September 2014 15: 47
    +3
    Actually an article with "rotten". The reasoning of a person - educated, but far from reality. Hamlet's questions are transferred to a purely concrete basis - combat capability, which is provided by thousands of different people. Although he himself admits that the answer can only be obtained by the fact of the war, he "sows" doubt. The seed of doubts about righteousness is the beginning of defeat in any war, and doubts about the fighting efficiency of your army are defeatism. Another thing is that patriotic education can be better, but this is a topic for a completely different conversation.
  37. Zomanus
    Zomanus 6 September 2014 15: 51
    +2
    Well, if a war is on the doorstep, then you need to gradually prepare the people for it. Military universal education to introduce, at least a little, develop patriotism, to cultivate hatred of traitors from the fifth column. Otherwise, it’s okay to quit when the war starts, so it’s also going to start helping the enemy with whatever it can. For example, in one book about the beginning of the 3rd World War I read about special groups destroying the command staff at their place of residence on Sunday morning. What is unrealistic? In short, we have absolutely no preparation of the spirit, our enemies took care of this, having prescribed a ban on ideology in the constitution. Otherwise, we will wait for multiple victims and the formation of an "army of avengers." As in the Donbass.
    1. Doctor Evil
      Doctor Evil 6 September 2014 23: 24
      +1
      Hello Alexey. Anisimov read "The Day Before the Day After Tomorrow"? I served in Kaliningrad for a long time. The author is absolutely right. I agree with your comment.
  38. volk0773
    volk0773 6 September 2014 15: 52
    +1
    Forgot about the COMMISSORS, ZAMPOLITS AND SPECIALISTS START WORK TEACHING PERSONAL COMPOSITION IN THE NECESSARY DIRECTION !!! And so in my opinion the article is quite realistic.
  39. DimychDV
    DimychDV 6 September 2014 15: 56
    +1
    NEITHER IN THE ARMY, NOR ON THE NRW, nor at the military service in the university, we were not taught even in the basics of the basics of tactics in war. how many times you meet the enemy - so many times kill him. There are no basics of guerrilla tactics, and after all, any soldier can be surrounded and without co-ordination. tactics of small maneuverable strikes, fortified checkpoints, mining, etc. In addition, everyone will inevitably have to go through the science of hatred. Dill, of course, themselves taught it with fire according to "Russian-speaking mulattoes" And those who understood the reasons no longer saw any other way out. Either they - or we - are theirs. BY WORD, THE SITUATION WITH ETHNIC CLEANERS SHOULD BE TEACHED ALSO. in our time it seems wild. and after all, on the sites of FREEDOM right now, both Stalin's Holodomor and Pol Pot's methods are being promoted to our contemporaries, and they are preparing to arrange a communal collapse in the winter. these are our contemporaries, the garnas of the girls, they poured Molotov cocktails against the "Colorado". Schaub won themselves if they were happy with them ...
  40. sever.56
    sever.56 6 September 2014 15: 57
    +12
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/256/gjqp383.jpg
  41. venzim
    venzim 6 September 2014 15: 57
    +2
    Really! For our youth there is not enough motivation, not enough patriotic attitude, not enough state education of a citizen!
    The article makes you think, this is unique.
    Of course, my generation who served in the 90s is ready to fight, but those who were born in the 90s already have little motivation.
  42. UzRus
    UzRus 6 September 2014 15: 58
    +3
    Hmm ... Article put a minute S. The impression was that the comrade was in some way from the column number 5. You read the article and you are horrified - the Russian army is completely barrygs (they serve only for grandmothers, not conscience), unpatriotic people and cowards, plus everything (a war will start - I will quit). Cho, so everywhere or what? Rogues and "lovers of quick money" were, are and will be. Moreover, both in peacetime and in wartime. Therefore, the former need to be educated, and the latter should be spent without trial and investigation according to the laws of wartime. The author thickened the colors.
  43. pexotinec
    pexotinec 6 September 2014 15: 58
    +3
    Americans are fighting every day, but ... they’re no good. You can’t see the four heroes, they just squander at the sight of our plane and run to leave.
  44. Gerurra
    Gerurra 6 September 2014 15: 58
    +1
    The main enemy of the army is a stupid general and subordinate ranks of the hangers-on. God forbid, so many officials will have a lot to do outside of Russia.
    1. Gazelwagen
      Gazelwagen 6 September 2014 16: 15
      0
      For such, in personal affairs there should be a note "useless in peacetime, dangerous in war" with appropriate conclusions and actions.
  45. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 6 September 2014 16: 00
    +4
    And what about the volunteers who took a vacation in the Donbass? It was necessary to promote the author. Illiterate article.
  46. Reader
    Reader 6 September 2014 16: 07
    +3
    Still, I’ll say that the Russian soldier is a SOLDIER, so p-and-n-d-o-s-s, they won’t be at war without everything that is laid down under the contract, and they are not sissy - they still faced serious opposition after Vietnam, Here’s an example. Here, if the hostilities were transferred to the United States, they would have known what it is like - a war in their home and their arrogance would have disappeared.
  47. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 6 September 2014 16: 10
    +2
    Put a minus ... just an okhalny alarmist article ...
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 6 September 2014 16: 16
      +1
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      Put a minus ... just an okhalny alarmist article ...

      Paul agrees! Admins, and you are not ashamed to publish such nonsense? What war? Okay, I downloaded the people from the magazine Popular Mechanics p. 98-101 article Armor on armor. Posted, I was silent. But then you forgive me ... why? Raise the rate? request DEAR moderators, here people sometimes sit with experience and are polite including, so do not !!!
      1. Nikoha.2010
        Nikoha.2010 6 September 2014 20: 37
        +2
        If minus, then I am telling the truth! I talked on Skype with my second cousin from Odessa .... He told me: "I will go to the East to fight," why should I? "I will not shoot at you and kill you, too, so who are you going" Do not believe that he answered me: "They will put me in jail" ... And the fact that I will bang him is how? I know him as a kid, as a kid ... he grew up in front of my eyes, but in the gun sight everyone is the same!
  48. bubla5
    bubla5 6 September 2014 16: 12
    0
    No need to be upset in the entire history of Russia has never been ready for war, all preparation was suitable in the process of this phenomenon, and it was completely ready at the end of hostilities, but we must think and prepare
  49. Bravades
    Bravades 6 September 2014 16: 17
    +12
    There are no people who are not afraid of war !!! It's just that not everyone can overcome this fear in themselves !!! And many feats were committed not because these people were too brave, but because they were very scared and the instinct of self-preservation made the body work at the maximum of their capabilities !!! In a war worse than fear, this is a panic !!! And it is precisely it that demoralizes strongly units !!! As for the topic, is the Russian army ready ??? Of course, ready !!! I myself served for 17 years in the special forces unit, was the commander of a reconnaissance group, was wounded twice, fought in two Chechen campaigns, and I can confidently say that in our army there are a lot of people who are ready to sacrifice their lives even for their country !!!
    And these are not big words !!! But I’m sure that only a madman can want war in Russia in Russia !!! But if it happens that you still have to pick up a weapon, then so many of our guys will do it !!! But cowards and alarmists in the army have always been, so where without them? But thank God that their units are usually. I’ll give one example when we enter the first campaign in Grozny in January 95, our brigade commander walked in front of the whole system and asked each of us if he would like to go there, and out of about 1500 refuseniks, only 23 were recruited. to understand the reasons for refusal, one of them has one son in the family, the other has a pregnant wife and so on and so on .. That is, they can’t be called cowards either !!! And the last thing I want to say is that whoever comes to our land, they need to know the main thing ..... they will not be easily sure! Good luck to all!!!
  50. Yarik
    Yarik 6 September 2014 16: 24
    +3
    It is rightly said about "oysters" in the article. Gone are lazy, obese, etc. But in case of emergency, lovers of oysters, I think, will stand in one line. There will always be exceptions, of course. Like a dog with its parmesan ... wassatThe security guard at work said to me: they love this foreign d-mo, so let them go there and live there.