An expert on the possible failure of plans to resolve the situation in Ukraine

Experts discuss the words of Poroshenko that today in 15: 00 he will issue a ceasefire order in the south-east. These words of the Ukrainian president are skeptical for many reasons. One of the reasons is connected with the promised 15 million euro to Ukraine by NATO. It is difficult to imagine that NATO allocates funds to Kiev for peaceful purposes.

Another reason to interviewVoice of Russia"says Konstantin Zatulin, director of the Institute of CIS Countries:

People in Kiev began quietly thinking: what will happen next? But at the same time, not everyone agrees that it is necessary to stop the fire and save the situation. There are Aniki warriors, like Yatsenyuk, who has already managed to react that Putin’s plan is bad, there is a plan from one point: to drive all volunteers from the territory of Ukraine, and the war will be over. They still play the version in which the war is fought in the Donbass not by the hands of the militia, but by the hands of the Russian troops. In this they are trying to convince, above all, Western countries, in the hope that they will bring down the next sanctions on Russia. In this situation, it is necessary to be extremely vigilant about attempts to disrupt the peace process, which is just beginning.

It seems that these “Anika-warriors” in Ukraine today are the overwhelming majority: far from the unfolding conflict, they are “heroes” on Facebook and Twitter, spreading outright disinformation that the war in the southeast is not against their own people, but against the regular army of Russia. And if so, then it was precisely such “warriors” who could have attempted to disrupt the peace plan proposed by President Vladimir Putin.

Comments

[BoBkaTyumen]

Actually, who is asking what the people of Ukraine want ... Everything is decided by a bunch of crazy people with triple citizenships and the USA. For them, happiness will be to pour slops on the Russian Federation and once again hang their shoals on us.

[Oleg NSK]

... nothing, we, too, are not idle ... getting ready little by little

[Hippopotamus]

One Oba-macaque cannot escape here. There will be enough global bastards on the poker deck, and still will be. ;)

[PValery53]

Is this a member of the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Democratic Republic of America? - Such a pacified person, just the lamb of God.

[shershen]

Yes, it’s even nice to see him dead)))

[Muadipus]

People in Kiev Have begun little by little think: and what will happen next? But at the same time, not everyone agrees that it is necessary to cease fire and save the situation

Sometimes it seems to me that the ability to "Think" is a gift that no more than a hundred people on earth possess. And thinking in advance is generally like magic.

[shershen]

Crazy creative !!! +100!
It is necessary to sell such tablets with the government of Ukraine and America as souvenirs.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: BoBkaTyumen

Actually, who is asking what the people of Ukraine want ...

Actually, the people themselves consist of cretins wounded by slippers in the head.
On September 4, during a rally on Mayakovsky Square, the governor of the Zaporozhye region Valery Baranov announced that already this weekend the Cossacks would start digging trenches.
The townspeople accepted this idea with applause. http://varjag-2007.livejournal.com/6675684.html

[DimychDV]

there aren’t enough Sneaker-Man on them. There is Spider-Man, there is Slipper-Man on it.
I apologize to the moderators - I was after a stroke, printed as it turned out.

[shershen]

Yeah, dig immediately in the horizontal growth, useful)))

[Giant thought]

Poroshenko has not yet announced a truce, and who will listen to him.

[Same lech]

The civilian population of Donbass dying from Ukrainian weapons pays their lives for their loyalty to Russia and the People’s Militia.

This was stated bluntly by the commander of the Kiev-1 battalion, Vitaly Satarenko, in an interview with the Ukrainian newspaper

While Ukrainians are killing civilians in NEW RUSSIA there is no peace with them and WILL NOT be.



Poroshenko does not solve anything in the processes that go against his will, the punitive battalions of KOLOMOISKY wanted to sneeze at POROSHENKO.

[FACKtoREAL]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Poroshenko does not solve anything in the processes that go against his will

just everything is decided by the Supreme Commander of the country (Ukraine) ....
another thing, is it profitable for him to stop the war before the parliamentary elections?

[mamont5]

Quote: FACKtoREAL

just everything is decided by the Supreme Commander of the country (Ukraine) ....
another thing, is it profitable for him to stop the war before the parliamentary elections?

This is legally decided by the Supreme Court of Ukraine, but actually not, because too many radical and overtly gang armed groups that obey anyone but Porosenko divorced. The ceasefire is not profitable for them, about which they declare.
“The civilian population of Donbass, dying from Ukrainian weapons, pays with their lives for their loyalty to Russia and the People's Militia.

This was stated bluntly by the commander of the Kiev-1 battalion, Vitaly Satarenko, in an interview with the Ukrainian edition of Korrespondent.net ...
"I am not a strategist. But I will say one thing: the person who will ever mention a truce - partial, half an hour, half a minute - will be enemy number one for several tens of thousands of guys who are in the ATO zone," he stressed. "
http://warfiles.ru/show-67698-kombat-karateley-ubiystvo-mirnogo-naseleniya-oprav
dano.html

[Ptah]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

the punitive battalions of KOLOMOISKY wanted to sneeze at POROSHENKO.

So, in theory, Kalomoysha is directly interested in ending the fighting.
Now I became interested. When the situation reversed.
If it weren’t for all this, the fighters of Novorossia would squeeze out the remnants of the UVS over the borders of the DNI and LNR regions over the next week.

As I understand it, no one talks about the dissolution of the ykpo troops, which means they will be deployed in the Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhya regions.
And since they strained food, cases of looting among local people are inevitable.
It is not excluded that some villager will not quite like it when they drag a "ham, milk" from him and he will take up a double-barreled gun and knock a couple of warriors.
Those in response, shmulnit queue from the machine.
So it started ...
Will reach Kiev ...
In short, Gutting has merged and today will sign everything they give, just to stay in power ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ptah

Now I became interested. When the situation reversed.

Vadim, this is based on the fact that all his grandmothers are in Ukraine. If the assets have already been withdrawn, then the continuation of the warriors is manna for him from heaven. He will earn as much on a warrior as he did in peacetime in 10 years.
You think in Russian, and Kal is a Jew.
Hi

[andj61]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

If the assets have already been withdrawn, then the continuation of the warrior for him is manna from heaven. He will earn on the warrior as much as in peacetime for 10 years.

He has assets both there and there. He will earn good money on the continuation of the war (fuel, ammunition, food), as well as in the world - he has a bunch of enterprises that produce peaceful products.
So Kale is important only to stay alive!

[Ptah]

Greetings, Sasha.
In "Russian" I thought for the past 4 months, when there was not enough evil on the Jews, who pitched the people against these very "assets".
It was a pity for both the Donbas and those from other regions, whose dolts, stupid children, and brothers were driven to fight "with Russia" ...
Now I think in German that we should not rub for negotiations, but, at least, CLEAR New Russia.
And now, after everything that happened in their homes, they will be offered the role of the "prodigal son" - to return to Ukraine. They hated Ukraine.
Why do not give to complete? Let it be a week. It wouldn’t work like with Afghanistan ... Thousands of Russian men fought for the fact that the regions would remain with the xoxlov.
It seems that this is being led gradually ...

Here I came across a rare video from the Maidan. Filmed by foreigners, I just added the translation -

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ptah

Now I think in German that we should not rub for negotiations, but, at least, CLEAR New Russia.

So this is also in Russian.

Quote: Ptah

Why do not give to complete? Let it be a week. It wouldn’t work like with Afghanistan ... Thousands of Russian men fought for the fact that the regions would remain with the xoxlov.

All these statements about the negotiations for the press, but the time was not chosen by chance and is appropriate, unless of course Gunpowder is not really a nerd.
Now elections and losing in battles do not add points to Yatsenyuk and others. They need the world now, like air. Plus gas still with coal. Yes, the military itself needs to be regrouped, they have no choice.
Yes, and Novorossia puts an ultimatum on the withdrawal of all military from the territory of Lugansk and Donetsk, and not just a ceasefire.
Another thing is that financially the Americans keep Gunpowder by the egg so that he himself does not decide anything, even if he wants to.

[Makosha]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

they now need peace, like air. Plus gas is still with coal. Yes, and the military itself needs to be regrouped, they have no choice.

With gas, they hope for a reverse; they have already laid a pipe from Slovakia.
Coal was bought in South Africa, and this week it was already loaded onto vehicles. Driven by the sea. Odessa is with them so far.
Troops also regroup and replenish. On Tuesday, 2.09, in the Yagotino-Nichiporovka area, they saw a military train in the Donbass. Heavy weapons and 4 carriages of soldiers.
And the troops, if they are withdrawn, then to more fortified lines. And even in "boilers" they cling to the last.
They do not need peace. They want only victory and only on their own terms.

[andrey56]

The offal at signing will stain the pen and paper of the contract with the blood of civilians killed by him, with the blood that he has on his hands! His sweets smell of blood for a long time. Take a closer look - and his face is covered in blood. But this is from the blows of the militia of New Russia.

[andj61]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

While Ukrainians are killing civilians in NEW RUSSIA there is no peace with them and WILL NOT be.

And what can you talk about with killers? Only a ceasefire and the withdrawal of troops from the territory of the republics.

[Makosha]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Poroshenko does not solve anything in the processes that go against his will, the punitive battalions of KOLOMOISKY wanted to sneeze at POROSHENKO.

Do not forget that only he goes to NATO summits. From the messages on the September 4 summit:

"President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, in turn, promised" to do everything possible to end the war "..."In these circumstances, it is very important to have monitoring by the OSCE, to achieve the immediate release of all hostages, and to ensure control over the Russian border", - he said.
According to Poroshenko, "very difficult negotiations are ahead." "On them sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine cannot be a subject for negotiations "- noted the President of Ukraine, adding that he received full support for this position from all NATO states. "

http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1421977

Allocated another "aid" in the amount of 15 million. euros, lethal and non-lethal deliveries are promised ... And after that, what can you talk about with them?

[Wellych]

I wonder if there are those who believe that the plan will work?
50 km from any settlement of Donbass is a good piece of Zaporozhye and the Kharkiv region.
Something similar to the demands of the State Department to withdraw troops from Rostov to Vladivostok.
And if tomorrow the war ends, why did the intensity of hostilities only increase? They will crush the pig, IMHO.

[Andrew 447]

Colleague,withdraw troops, withdraw artillery to its range (up to 100 km from our points) and create a demilitarized zone up to 50 km wide.It should be more thorough, without misleading.

[enot73]

One gets the impression that these "Anika-warriors" are in the overwhelming majority in Ukraine today: far from the unfolding conflict, they "hero" on Facebook and Twitter, spreading outright disinformation that the war in the southeast is not against their own people, but against the regular army of Russia.

You can safely and calmly 3,14zdit about anything when there is an opportunity to dump at any moment, and on accounts in Western banks there are impressive amounts.

[siberalt]

It was infa that the militia killed Somen Semenchenko and someone else from the fascist leaders in Mariupol. Some next giant cauldron is outlined. The progress has begun!

[Same lech]

Punisher Combatant: Civilian killings justified

It is necessary to crush like bedbugs first of all such national gadgets like this SATARENKO ..... just like him they burn and kill children and women.

[inkass_98]

Quote: siberalt

militias killed Semen Semenchenko

So he was in Klichkuev, how did he rush to Mariupol? And the roads are blocked by the militia, "if the chef doesn't lie to us" (C), in the sense - a zombie. And Semen in itself is nothing, it is necessary to blame the best representatives of Svidomo - Plants, Arsen, Tyagnybok, and their sponsors like Beni and his henchmen. Desirable - all with one rocket on takeoff.

[enot73]

Quote: inkass_98

militias killed Semen Semenchenko

Quote: inkass_98

So he was in Klichkuev, how darted to Mariupol? Yes, and the roads are blocked by the militia,

Maybe, like Yarosh, just started to confuse the track?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

army ukrovskaya-loose concept, there are mercenaries, and conscripts, and nationalists.i who knows who else! and therefore it is uncontrollable, so the ceasefire is nothing more than another "PUK" from ParAshenko ...

[Poldol]

The bloody confectioner will not go to the conditions of GDP. Banana Barakich will not allow. Gunpowder clearly said at the NATO summit yesterday that it has only two criteria - control of the border with the Russian Federation (i.e., the territory of Donbass) and disarmament (of the army of New Russia). The curators nodded amicably.

[inkass_98]

Quote: PolDol

The curators nodded amicably.

And what a proud Piglet sat, surrounded by a flock of hyenas and jackals! They stroked him on the head, scratched his back, but they forgot to say that then the eggs would be cut without anesthesia. Well, nothing, "food is not asked for consent" (C).

[Bronik]

It is hard to imagine that NATO is allocating funds to Kiev for peaceful purposes.

NATO is imprisoned to wage war and create problems for a potential adversary. They will hell a truce and, moreover, a complete ceasefire. They can provoke professionally.

[enot73]

Now you can provoke so that you will remain without a head.

[Mikhail m]

Plans for this are drawn up so that they would like the best, but it turned out, as always.

[asar]

All so-called Potroshenko's "peaceful initiatives" are complete bullshit! Maybe he wants, but there are plenty of "hawks" in the "power" of dill! Let him show political will, deal with the "war team", otherwise this is just gibberish, or the fate of Yanuca!

[Oldwiser]

what will understand? Gestapo SBU? So this is obviously a subsidiary of the CIA. And the states have so far not given commands to clean up the Nazis.

[shishakova]

Thank you!
In Ukraine there is no regular Russian Army, but there are volunteers, and not only from Russia.
Suppose that it is these forces that are waging war against the Ukrainian Army. Then how to explain their support by the population of the South-East of Ukraine? Contradiction. Therefore, all the false propaganda about the war with Russia in Ukraine already seems just an obsessive stupidity.

[Bowless]

They didn’t give a loan so that they would go to the world.

[89067359490]

There will be no peace; Petka has no faith.

[Hleb]

It seems that these “Anika-warriors” in Ukraine today are the overwhelming majority: far from the unfolding conflict, they are “heroes” on Facebook and Twitter, spreading outright disinformation that the war in the southeast is not against their own people, but against the regular army of Russia. And if so, then it was precisely such “warriors” who could have attempted to disrupt the peace plan proposed by President Vladimir Putin.

[VICTOR-61]

Parashenko, the Americans are the puppet here, and according to the current situation, the mattresses realized that the militias are fully offensive and the dill is retreating, and soon the militias can go to Kiev, so the mattresses decided to provoke something else under the guise of a truce — that is, there’s more dirt and war and death — the chaos they need

[Loner_53]

Everything on the edge is not decided by the residents of Krai themselves, but by Uncle Sam across the ocean. And the mattress-maker is ready to clean up the territory to the last land, and to annoy the RUSSIA too.

[Grbear]

To chop off the ukram muzzle and the treacherous one, at least for a week, so that they would go out and talk to each other live. True, the people of Kiev have not yet received parcels with "cargo 200" - not draft ones ... For now. But the fourth "wave" is prepared for them. The rest are "eating up" slowly. Winter is just around the corner ...

[horoh]

No one will agree to any plans in Kiev, you just need to help the Army of New Russia reach Kiev !!! Well, then it will be seen.

[vitaz]

The ceasefire will be when there is no Ukrainian army

[ALABAY45]

"against the regular army of Russia"
This is already beginning to enrage! An extremely low assessment of the capabilities of the Russian army. For four months of events, if the Russian army really "participated" in Ukraine, one could admire the dusty lunar landscapes ...

[Flinky]

And not only in the Ukropomoyka those landscapes would be ... The entire Geyropa would be covered with such beautiful funnels.

[Oldwiser]

from Lisbon

[A1L9E4K9S]

A truce is not beneficial for the army of New Russia, if you give a break to the junta, it will gather strength and go on the offensive, so you can not give the junta troops a break, they must be beaten, beaten, beaten, all the boilers in the republics destroyed, the junta thrown out of the republics, then you can think of a truce (not for long).

[shershen]

Some incomprehensible raverance of Putin in front of the west.
In general, the dual position of our government is already annoying. They speak proudly and beautifully, but do it carefully with an eye to the west, as if not to offend anyone.

[PiP]

Experts discuss the words of Poroshenko that today in 15: 00 he will order a ceasefire in the southeast.
When they want to do something, they do it. What prevented him from giving this order yesterday? And so it turns out 'deshovy populism and heating up interest in oneself'. As in 'Mary Poppins, goodbye', the housekeeper said before leaving the car "Attention! I'm getting out." On the other hand, he drove himself into the "framework", like it or not, but some order should be given. And not the fact that it will be 'a ceasefire ...

[341712]

Quote: PiP

Experts discuss the words of Poroshenko that today in 15: 00 he will order a ceasefire in the southeast.
When they want to do something, they do it. What prevented him from giving this order yesterday? And so it turns out 'deshovy populism and heating up interest in oneself'. As in 'Mary Poppins, goodbye', the housekeeper said before leaving the car "Attention! I'm getting out." On the other hand, he drove himself into the "framework", like it or not, but some order should be given. And not the fact that it will be 'a ceasefire ...

In short, it seems they are trying to drive into a plug: you can’t shoot and you can’t not shoot ...

[sgr291158]

Whoever doubts that everything will go smoothly, will naturally insert sticks into the wheels. Therefore, no negotiations are held with any of the juntas, but to put pressure down and press down again, until the Nazis came to their senses and finish in Kiev.

[Pro100Igor]

We found someone to give money to. NATO must think!

[Mountain shooter]

They gave him (Poroshenko) 15 million Euros. How scoffed, I guess. He needs at least 1000 times more to at least somehow continue the war.
The militiamen "squeeze" Mariupol in front of the astonished public. The junta leaves Debaltseve. The army does not want to fight. Aviation was knocked out, mostly armored vehicles, either knocked out, or donated to the militia. To re-equip the dill army in a short time is a few tens of billions of euros for iron alone.
He, no matter what, but still an entrepreneur., Must be able to count.

[tol100v]

Another lie from PaRashenko. By hook or by crook they will try to shift the blame for what is happening to Russia. This is dictated by mattress covers to justify the introduction of the next portions of sanctions. The conflict was not unleashed for this, and not another loan was allocated for the onset of peace, so that peace would just come so easily. It’s just that ukram needs another respite to collect cannon fodder!

[soviet skytourist]

ukr-nac klouny niceho ne resajut eto vseho lis bezmozglie marinetki

[soviet skytourist]

SMRAD inogda vydajot zelaemoe za dejstvitelnost, za derevjami lesa nevidat

[nvv]

The only koment that deserves attention on this thread. I have only an elementary education, but I understood everything.

[B.T.V.]

How can they desire peace ???

[Sergey Sitnikov]

see the world without taking Mariupol!

[Eugenenl]

The world according to NATO? He always stinks corpses ...

[andrey56]

We shut the window, and the door to the South-East to China and others was already opened wide open. And from the Latin continent we waved with joy ...

[ARES623]

Any truce is now in favor of the ATO troops. It would be ridiculous for the DNR troops to stop after seizing the initiative. I think that everyone, including the GDP, is well aware of this. However, polites requires that the plan be ...

[surovts.valery]

There are Aniki warriors, like Yatsenyuk, who already managed to react that Putin’s plan is bad, there is a plan from one point: to expel all volunteers from Ukraine, and the war will be over.

And there is one more plan: to expel all Yatsenyuk, eviscerated, turchinov from Ukraine, then the war will definitely end.

[builder]

Better to dig deeper

[mackonya]

The picture will be stupidly banal, "Piglet" cannot just declare a ceasefire, and the Novorossiya army just take and cease fire while the occupier is on their land, the Ukrainian economy is also not rubber, sooner or later the "patches" will begin to blow away discontent. In general, it will be hard for everyone in Ukraine in the fall, the citizens of Novorossiya still need to restore the infrastructure, and the rest of the whole country. The EU and the US will turn their backs on Ukraine, only a friendly country can lend to bankruptcy just like that, and Russia, according to Ukraine, is an aggressor, so ...

[Sergey Sitnikov]

give Mariupol, Kherson and Odessa-Ukraine is not a sea power))) and generally not a power!

[Bassoon]

I'm afraid that they will not agree with you) But what about the Black Sea, dug up by the great Ukrainians?)

[Oldwiser]

And just like the regiments of the Poles, who stood in Moscow in 1609.

[lonovila]

-Some kind of weird-declare a truce ...
-It's the same as if during the Second World War the USSR suddenly concluded a "truce" with Hitler after the battle on the Kursk Bulge ... -The territory of Novorossia has not yet been freed from dill ... -And they will continue to shoot from guns and " hail "... -because there is a shootout in a foreign territory for them there is a foreign territory and is destroyed ... -But when they go to their territory and try to shoot from their side ... -then deadly "gifts" and their cities and towns will begin to collapse and their population will begin to suffer and run ... to Kiev ... -Then the Ukropovskoe population will understand what their Ukropovskie geeks have done in Novorossia ...

[pahom54]

The behavior of the GDP is understandable - it is trying in every way to prove to the "world community" the fact that Russia is not an aggressor.
However, it seems to me that he himself perfectly understands the absurdity and inconsistency of the counter demands of the "authorities" of the Ruins and the militia of Novorossiya ...
Believing piglets and his team is by no means impossible; the past months have proved this. There is only one way out - the national bastards must be beaten and finished off, especially since fortune is now on the side of the militia.
Well, what their "patriots" want is their problem. And NATO assistance in the form of 15 million multi-colored tugriks will not make much of a difference ... These tugriks, if a pig and a sniff of socks and eggs had healthy heads, had to be used to pay debts to Russia, make peace with Russia, let Novorossia go to free bread - then perhaps the Ruin would have existed for some time ...
However, they have already done so much there that it seems to me that Ukraine as such will not soon exist anyway ... But in fact, it is already gone ... And the NATO bobos are simply ras3,14zdit ...

[HAM]

Who will tell you, once again Porshenka announces a ceasefire!? And what came of it! Only who listens to him? He is just a Kiev fool and a beggar.

[Madnesz]

That's interesting - according to all laws, there can be no two punishments for violation. That is, the actually applied sanctions against Russia give the right to introduce a regular army to Ukraine. How could our politicians miss such a trump card?

[HAM]

You have missed one thing - the laws of the wild west are not written, they are the law themselves, in their understanding, of course.

[Stinger]

NATO does not give money for peace processes. If they openly arm the "legitimate government" (the rhetoric about gatherings of "peacekeepers" in England goes about this), there will be no peace there.

[Signature]

Not all experts believe it. And to Zatulin - yes. It is definitely felt that career and image considerations do not dominate him.
Questions arise only regarding 15 million euros. As far as I know, one destroyed Su is not less than 15 million dollars (if not especially new).
In other words, it seems that the militias will not find it too difficult to dust the cumulative generosity of the September rally of Euro-American champions of "democracy".

[andrey56]

As they used to say, not democracies, but "crap" - the power of crap! Which are mattress mats and their hunto dolls.

[Makosha]

Well, we got a message about "stopping" the fire. The junta is bombing Donetsk, the militia goes to Mariupol.

Former President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma expressed hope for the signing of documents following the meeting of the Contact Group on Ukraine opening in Minsk.
“We came for the world, it should be a truce"Kuchma told reporters.

He underlined, ht Ukrainian side is ready for a truce. “If the other parties are also inclined, then the plan must be signed,” he said.

“We need to stop killing each other,” he said. Kuchma also emphasized that the main task is "an immediate ceasefire."
Asked if any documents would be signed, Kuchma said, “Yes.”.

Mikhail Zurabov also said that following the results of today's meeting of the Contact Group in Minsk, documents will be signed.

“They will,” he answered the corresponding question from the journalists before the meeting.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1409915078

So. They need a truce. Not the world.
But they said already that Kuchma is an illegitimate person. There is no confirmation of its eligibility. And all the agreements signed by him are toilet paper.