Shipyard "New Admiralty"

01. Launching the cruiser "Aurora" at the shipyard New Admiralty. 11 May 1900

02. Members of the imperial family on the wharf of the shipyard "New Admiralty" after the launch of the cruiser "Aurora". 11 May 1900

03. The cruiser "Aurora" on the water at the stocks of the Novo-Admiralty Shipyard

04. The Aurora cruiser is being completed at the wall of the New Admiralty. Xnumx

06. The Aurora cruiser is being completed at the wall of the New Admiralty. To the right is the building of the sailing and rigging workshop.1902

05. The Aurora cruiser is being completed at the wall of the New Admiralty. To the right is the building of the .1902 sailing and rigging workshop

07. Borodino squadron battleship before launching. Xnumx

08. Launching the squadron battleship Borodino at the Novo-Admiralty Shipyard. Xnumx

Comments

[Ayujak]

Mercy sideways!

I wonder why the body color was dark during the descent.
In my photo - 1903

[vrach]

This is natural, in your picture the already completed cruiser was painted white when it was commissioned, even the Varyag built in the USA in Port Arthur arrived in a kind of white jacket (according to the descriptions of the novelists), and then in the active squadron it was again repainted in a ball Colour. More paint less corrosion. In the article the launching of the hull, when the edge was still open, machines, weapons, superstructures, equipment, there was no point.

[Maxsh]

As far as I know, white was used as a smart color. At the end of the 19th century, it was customary to preserve the black color of the sides, the white color of the superstructures, and chimneys were painted in yellow with a black tip. And during the war, the fleet was painted in green-olive color (In the Russian-Japanese war, in any case), although I read somewhere that there were experiments from dark chocolate to ball .. And in the photo above, Aurora is supposedly painted completely in white, but the pipes - in yellow with a black top ... Thanks to the author for the photo - valuable))

[Gunxnumx]

wasn't the Aurora built in America?

[vrach]

A series of three armored cruisers Diana, Pallas, Aurora was built in Russia according to the shipbuilding program of the year 1895. Unfortunately, they became the personification of an unsuccessful technical plan, however, like the American cruiser Varyag. Positioning themselves as trade fighters, they carried excessive armament originally from 14 units. - 152 mm guns. Well, where against unarmed transports? In battle with an equal opponent, armoring was required. As a result of this, overload, deteriorated seaworthiness, which led to a reduction in the number of guns after the first modernization of the main caliber to 12 units, and in the subsequent transition after PMV to the Svetlanov caliber 130 mm. The only interesting solution during their construction was the use of elastic armor, so to speak, with a high nickel content. But apparently she did not justify herself.
The ideal trade fighter and armored cruiser, as I see it, could be a Novik type cruiser, high speed 25 knots, 6 units. - 120 mm guns, 6 mine vehicles. A very successful steamer, it could be an advice note, a messenger, a sentinel, a reconnaissance ship, a leader for bringing destroyers to attack. An extended series of these ships would successfully replace the Roman goddesses, as well as Diamond and Svetlana. And agree cheaper and easier to build and maintain. It was made by the Germans, who gave the Russians another project of the successful cruiser Bogatyr, which would not be bad to develop into an armored one.

That is the story. Thanks for the stuff.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: vrach

Positioning themselves as trade fighters, they carried excessive armament originally from 14 units. - 152 mm guns. Well, where against unarmed transports?

Рњ-РґСЏ ...
Dear vrach, how would it be, more cultured ... In general, so - cruisers of the "Diana" type were designed for 10 (TEN) 152-mm guns. However, in the future, due to fear of overload, only 8 (EIGHT) were left. It was with eight 152-mm "goddesses" that they fought in the RYAV.
After the REV, their disarmament became apparent, and it was also clear that these cruisers no longer needed seaworthiness - no one in their solid mind and sober memory was going to send slow-moving ships to the ocean ... therefore, having removed the mass of 75-mm guns, they put 14 on Aurora 152 mm
So, excuse me, but you gave the historical reference exactly the opposite.

Quote: vrach

The ideal trade fighter and armored cruiser, as I see it, could be a Novik type cruiser

"Novik" was essentially an overgrown destroyer with 120-mm artillery, respectively, it had all the disadvantages and advantages of a large destroyer - high speed, but short range, scanty combat survivability (the double bottom, smoothly passing into the double side did not reach the armored deck, so that even a small projectile guaranteed extensive flooding) and very poor seaworthiness.
This cruiser could successfully operate against enemy destroyers (a battle with any and even the weakest armored deck was extremely dangerous for the "novik") and serve as a reconnaissance squadron if it does not operate too far from its own shores, but come up with a more unsuccessful trade fighter than Novik is hardly possible.

Quote: vrach

. An extended series of these ships would successfully replace the Roman goddesses, as well as Diamond and Svetlana.

Let me ask you how the Noviks could replace the ships you mentioned if all of them (except Almaz) were built BEFORE Novik? :) Well, Almaz, apparently, was built exactly as a yacht of the brightest ...

[vrach]

Could and not culturally, in all its glory would have shown themselves.
I just used the data published in the Model Designer, on Aurora 14 pcs were installed. 152 mm. guns. At least in 1916. according to Vicki, he looked now. By the way, the plastic models of Aurora that were sold came with these 14 guns. In the series, the ships could be different. There are different sources and they can let you down, apparently the same as you compiled them, so that after you talk, catching those who read a lot.
Are you sure of your sources? Overloading ships was an eternal problem.
According to Novik, during a breakthrough from Port Arthur, as you say, the destroyer overgrowth completely went around Japan !!! And the Emerald, and the Pearl? He would have done the job well. On the last ships of the Novik series, the armament was strengthened - Boyarin, Pearl.

Unlike you, I rely on a larger number of sources, this is a little better than me that protects you from unfair presentation of material by other people. Therefore, I didn’t deserve this, md, and I’m not going to drop to your level.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: vrach

Could and not culturally, in all its glory would have shown themselves.

Could, of course. But this time it was you who showed yourself in all its glory.

Quote: vrach

I just used the data published in the Model Designer, on Aurora 14 pcs were installed. 152 mm. guns.

Yes, it’s not a question, but if you SO do not own the topic, it may make sense to refrain from commenting with refrain

Quote: vrach

That is the story.

Quote: vrach

There are different sources and they can fail, apparently the same as you compiled them, so that after m-dya talk.

Yeah :))) You know, if your maximum is to change the guns in the picture, but you are even unable to read the article in the same Modeller, then is this the fault of the sources?

Quote: vrach

Are you sure of your sources?

I am sure :))) If you want to learn something about the Diana cruisers, start ... well, at least from here http://wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/Stapel/Diana/index.htm
Only you still need to read, some pictures are not enough ...
At the same time, you will learn that initially they were going to put a hodgepodge of 203-mm and 120-mm artillery on the "goddesses" ... and how they got to eight 152-mm

Quote: vrach

According to Novik, during a breakthrough from Port Arthur this overgrower completely overtook Japan !!! He would have done the job well.

So what? Do not believe it, but the Japanese junks, if necessary, did the same :))

Quote: vrach

Unlike you, I rely on a larger number of sources, this is a little better than me that protects you from unfair presentation of material by other people.

Oh :))) Well, tell me at least one source claiming that the cruisers of the "Diana" class originally had 14 152-mm You are our wise ...

Quote: vrach

Therefore, I didn’t deserve this, md, and I’m not going to go down to your level.

"M-ah ..." You really didn't deserve it. For such illiteracy you deserve much more weighty epithets. And get down to my level .. Years through 15 of serious work with sources can go down :))

[vrach]

Double bottom? About the bottom of the teak at Aurora still remember. A tree is like that. I conveyed my idea quite clearly, Novik is the best trade fighter. The rest is details.
And your pettiness is not worthy of encouragement. Arividerchi.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: vrach

Double bottom? Remember the teak bottom.

M-d ...
The word "Report on the Naval Department in 1897-1900"

“The type II rank cruiser Novik is a huge destroyer of 3000 tons with a 25-knot speed. The lower part of the cruiser is a cigar-like structure, somewhat flattened in the vertical direction, covered from above by an armored deck, and from below consisting of a double bottom, gradually converging with the outer skin and about half the distance from the keel to the waterline, turning into a system of side coal pits, below and above the armored deck. Above the underwater "cigar" flattened from above there is a superstructure, for the most part above-water, which forms one interdeck space. "

Quote: vrach

A tree is like that. I conveyed my thought quite distinctly

They transmitted clearly, but no thoughts were found :)

Quote: vrach

Novik is the best trade fighter. The rest is details.

Do not worry, I do not question Vera's questions. It pleases you to believe that "Novik" was a tough killer of traders - your business

Quote: vrach

And your pettiness is not worthy of encouragement.

Well, yes - think, 14 of six inches or eight, well, who considers them to you ...

[shurup]

Don't argue with doctors. It was they who invented the cruiser "Slava" for the film with 14 XNUMX-inch machines under the command of the general-admiral.

[Iskander 090]

need new modern shipyards need ships

[Ross]

Eh, now in these workshops riot Varshavyanka and their legacy.

[A1L9E4K9S]

Could the builders of Aurora have imagined that they were launching the funeral bell of Tsarist Russia, heralding the death of the old world.

[nvn_co]

Thanks to the author, good pictures, I even saved myself an archive !!!

[Victor Wolz]

What are you all about Aurora and Novik, the German-built Askold cruiser showed itself perfectly in the war, it is a pity that with the advent of battlecruisers its combat value became lower. The construction of the Varangian in America is an obvious miscalculation, built according to the Askold type in Germany, it would be more necessary for the fleet.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Victor Wolz

German-built Askold cruiser showed excellent performance in war

And Askold, perhaps, was the most successful of all Russian armored decks

[Maxsh]

Well, not for nothing that Stepan Osipovich loved him so much))

[metallic]

Quote: Maxsh

As far as I know - white was used as a formal

White color was used as tropical.
The usual paint job is mostly "Victorian" - black hull and yellow pipes. "War" coloring - greenish-olive.
After the Russo-Japanese War, ball painting (gray in various shades) became the usual coloring.

Quote: Victor Wolz

The construction of the Varangian in America is an obvious miscalculation, built according to the Askold type in Germany, it would be more necessary for the fleet.

Askold instead of the Varangian in Chemulpo would hardly radically change the situation.