Russia faces war on the Central Asian and Caucasian fronts


News from the North Caucasus confirm the fact that there continues an undeclared war. So, recently, at the end of June 2011, the Minister of the Interior of the Russian Federation, Rashid Nurgaliyev, announced that an 7-thousandth separate group would be created in Dagestan to fight the gangster underground. And reports of killings, including on the basis of religious and national hatred, have long become commonplace.


Russian President D. Medvedev drew attention to this situation during his trip to Nalchik. The article is devoted to what the main reasons for the growth of the so-called. Muslim extremism, to which its success in a number of regions of the Russian Federation, in the countries of Central Asia can lead and what can be opposed to this phenomenon.

The origins and methods of "Islamic" extremism, the reason for the support of its population

Radical Islamists operate by two main methods: 1) active propaganda of their ideas, recruitment of young people, training in various educational institutions abroad. Some of the recruits then continue missionary work without elements of violence, the other part can join as active militant groups; 2) terrorism as a method of achieving political goals through the use of violence against obviously stronger enemies. In this case, the death of the civilian population is often welcomed - they are after all “infidels”, or traitors cooperating with the invaders. Terror is very attractive for individual extremist groups, and not only Islamist, as a way of confrontation with entire states - an IRA against London or ETA against the Spanish government. In addition, this method of fighting is rather cheap and effective, giving a huge public response - explosives are needed, and people with “brainwashed”, ready to become suicide bombers, are enough. Thus, in 1983 in Lebanon, the Shiite insurgency was able to successfully send two trucks loaded with explosives with suicide drivers to the barracks of American marines and the French expeditionary corps in the city of Beirut. As a result, 241 American and 58 of the French were killed; immediately after this “signal”, foreign troops left Lebanese territory.

The essence of ideology is a return to the “true Islam” of the times of the Prophet Mohammed and the first caliphs, the time of the successful military and religious expansion of the Arabs. All Arab, Muslim countries should establish the dictatorship of Islam (Islamic law, Sharia), eliminating secular regimes, destroying traces of Western influence on the Islamic world. Create a single Muslim caliphate, and then extend its influence throughout the world. This is a variant of a kind of globalization in a Muslim way, albeit a very “raw” harvesting.

The main reason for the popularity is the idea of ​​Social Justice. The Islamic world, which for a long time was in a state of hibernation, stagnation, was subjected to the destructive influence of Western culture, after which it responded with aggression. Muslims see that the elite in many countries of the Islamic world is mired in hedonism, it does not care about the needs of ordinary people. The previous attempts to modernize the countries of the Islamic world have collapsed: from trying to replicate the West - Tunisia, Turkey (the Turkish authorities are still holding on, but drifting increasingly towards the Islamization of the state), to socialist models - Iraq, Egypt, Algeria, Syria. And, of course, the idea of ​​a “return to basics” is very popular and as the situation worsens, it will only recruit new supporters.

Related problems also help: the demographic problem (the bulk of the population of almost all countries are young, more prone to radical ideas), the problem of water and agricultural land, low levels of education and medicine, increased pressure from the West, which actually launched a “crusade” against the Islamic world by striking one or another Muslim country.

The slogans of building a unified, just, conflict-free, ideal (the kingdom of God) society, naturally find many adherents (including regions of the Russian Federation), many of whom sincerely believe in it. Religious groups reject cronyism and existing power structures.

Sponsors and main organizers

The monarchies of the Arabian Peninsula are sponsors of various groups. It would seem that they should be violent enemies of radical Islam, because help the Anglo-Saxons maintain their system. But in this way, the ruling clans only intensify social tensions in their countries, spilling the energy of the masses. So, only Saudi Arabia in 1960 – 2000-ies allocated for the spread of Islam around the world to 80 billion dollars. Most of the investment went to the creation of Islamic infrastructure, primarily in European countries, and to the propaganda of Islam. As a result, Muslim communities were able to gain a foothold in Western Europe and the United States, becoming a prominent part of society.

A major role in the creation of the Islamist underground, which made the shock detachment against the Soviet Union, played the special services of Pakistan, the United States and Britain. And do not think that after the fall of the Red Empire, they lost their networks. For the Anglo-Saxons, Muslim extremists are great weapon, which can be blamed on their sins, or their hands to carry out important operations. So, there is almost no doubt that the organization of the terrorist attack on 11 in September of 2001 was backed by American special services (possibly Israeli). In addition, together with the radical Islamists, the Anglo-Saxons are trying to overthrow the regimes of Gaddafi and Assad.

The threat of Central Asia and the Russian Federation

Russia and the states of Central Asia have a full bouquet of all social diseases that are inherent in sick states. Therefore, radical Islam has a massive social base in them.

The two main "centers of infection" are Afghanistan and the North Caucasus, although metastases can be found almost everywhere. After the invasion of Afghanistan by the armed forces of the Western world in 2001, the main energy, forces and resources of local extremists are aimed at fighting them, with the Kabul pro-American regime, with the authorities of Pakistan. And the authorities of the Central Asian republics received a short respite. Now the Americans want to ensure the withdrawal of most of their troops from Afghanistan by 2014 by reaching an agreement with the Taliban. In addition, the US is creating new bases, including in Tajikistan. According to Washington, this will allow the United States to save face and avoid "Vietnamese" humiliation in front of the whole world.

The withdrawal of the United States and NATO from Afghanistan will be the biggest political victory of the Taliban. It is clear that the energy of radical Islam will be directed to the north - Iran, Pakistan have powerful armies capable of defeating them and covering their borders. The regimes of the Central Asian republics are weak, there is their own Islamist underground. Resist only Kazakhstan can, and then with the support of Russia. Another problem is the masses of refugees who will rush into Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation if the Taliban inflame distemper. Russia already has on its territory several million migrants from the countries of Central Asia, so it is clear that if a fire breaks out in Central Asia, the situation on the Russian territory will also worsen.

A difficult situation has developed in the North Caucasus, there is an “Emirate of the Caucasus” operating there, which plans to create an Islamic state from the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea. Radical trends can be noted in Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, where radical Islam is combined with cave nationalism. But in the North Caucasus, the situation is more complicated - the consolidation of opponents of Russian statehood is proceeding on a religious basis. As a result, in the ranks of the Islamists there are representatives of different nationalities, even Ossetians, who were traditionally Christians, convert to Islam. But especially the supranational essence of Wahhabism proved successful in such multinational republics as Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria and Karachay-Cherkessia.

Moreover, at present this ideology is coming - the present Moscow can oppose it only with financing of local elites and power methods. This is clearly not enough - the Russian Federation needs an Idea that will affect the hearts and souls of the majority of Russian citizens. And this process is very dangerous, if the disease is not cured, it can lead to a new Caucasian war.

The situation is aggravated by the fact that Moscow actually finances the Islamist underground itself. Part of the investments that come from the federal center, to the development of the region, is being stolen because of the corruption of the local bureaucracy and the business connected with it. In this case, a system of so-called. "Islamic tax" on security (racketeering), officials and businessmen prefer to share, rather than risk business and life. Thus, the bandit underground has a strong financial base and an almost unlimited social base, mainly of young people.

Summing up, we can say that the Russian Federation is threatened by two southern fronts - Central Asian and Caucasian; they are already bringing a lot of trouble now, but these are only “flowers”.

Sources of:
http://www.riadagestan.ru/news/2011/06/27/116052/
http://www.president-sovet.ru/meeting_with_president_of_russia/meeting_with_russian_president_07_05_2011_in_nalchik/
http://terroristica.info/node/949
http://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2011/07/22/antiterroristicheskaya-operatsiya/v-khode-perestrelki-v-dagestane-siloviki-ubili
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  1. His
    His 23 July 2011 12: 35 New
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    Communism is replaced by Wahhabism
  2. atheist
    atheist 23 July 2011 12: 55 New
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    atheism would be the way, everyone is equal and there is no war on the basis of religion
    1. His
      His 23 July 2011 13: 09 New
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      In the West, atheism is a terrible sin. There everyone should believe in Christianity, or Judaism, Buddhism. We are moving toward Islam. So make a choice what awaits us
      1. huginn 18 August 2011 12: 20 New
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        It was a sin, and now most people in the West, if not atheists, are agnostics. (US exception)
    2. PSih2097 11 September 2011 04: 50 New
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      atheism would be the way, everyone is equal and there is no war on the basis of religion

      At this moment, there is nothing to support him, Orthodoxy is imposed in the army and in education ...
  3. atheist
    atheist 23 July 2011 13: 39 New
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    I don’t know how in Chechnya and Kabardinka, but in Krasnodar I met Jehovah, Orthodox Christians (majority), Catholics, Jews, Gregorians, atheists (about 20%), and those who do not care about religion (about 10-15%)
    and I made my choice, atheism and the law
    1. His
      His 23 July 2011 13: 49 New
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      Christianity professes a ban on suicide, killing in general, love for one's neighbor. It fosters tolerance and tolerance for others. Russia is where Orthodoxy
      1. LESHA pancake
        LESHA pancake 23 July 2011 16: 31 New
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        yeah, because all sorts of extremists and Russian Bosko cut and at the same time screaming allah akbar
      2. Dovmont
        Dovmont 9 August 2011 20: 37 New
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        Respected! You made 2 major inaccuracies in your statements.
        Firstly, Europe has long since departed from Christianity, and in recent decades has even begun to haunt Orthodox Christian views. Secondly, since its inception, Christianity has used 2 ways of its development: iconimony and agrivia. One of them allowed the church to use the most aggressive means of affirming Christianity (crusades, the Inquisition, the bloody Christianization of the peoples of Africa and Latin America). Another way - maximum humility and submission to the will of rulers - Gentiles in order to preserve the centers of Christianity in their possessions - an example is the monastery of St. Catherine in the Sinai Peninsula, existing for 1400 years, surrounded by Muslims. If the Russian legal system did not know how to defend itself, then the Gentiles would have trampled it long ago. So in the commandment "Do not kill!" not so simple.
  4. atheist
    atheist 23 July 2011 14: 15 New
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    Are you one of those who consider the beginning of the history of Russia since 988? Personally, I believe that the reference point of Russia is far in the past, more than 10 thousand years BC, uh,
    in ancient Russia and without Orthodoxy there was a law, unlike the west, and there was no slavery, and alcoholism,
    Russia where freedom and law
    1. dashkkyar
      dashkkyar 10 September 2011 01: 21 New
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      not too many years of history did you wind up? 10 thousand ... wink
      1. Joker
        Joker 10 September 2011 01: 28 New
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        This date coincides with the date of the extinction of mammoths and mastodons, and most likely is the date (10 thousand. Approximately) of the last global cataclysm.
        1. frame5 11 September 2011 06: 55 New
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          Hmm, what can’t you read here, lol.
          Are the mammoths extinct? The Rusyns devoured the Palyubas, it couldn’t be otherwise, yeah!
          1. Joker
            Joker 11 September 2011 20: 48 New
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            Well, no one is going to argue with the date of the extinction of mammoths?

            Or is it also fiction and mammoths have never been?
  5. Jury
    Jury 23 July 2011 17: 34 New
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    Reading such a thing ... the mood just spoils ... and one day ... once we call Russia Russia will not be up to the Caucasus ... and they will wallow in feuds ... serious people there also understand this, but they can’t do anything. There will be no help from Russia and there will not be that Caucasus ...
  6. mitrich
    mitrich 23 July 2011 19: 33 New
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    I liked the article as a whole. The priorities of military threats to Russia, if you look at the matter objectively, without hysteria in the direction of NATO and China, are placed correctly. I also believe that the Caucasus and Central Asia is an existing or future "arc of instability" for our country.
    True, little faith is believed in the sincere faith and adherence to the Islamic canons of the Caucasian "forest". Money is the main driving component of the "resistance" there. The Arab emissaries were killed, and in one way or another, everything in the North Caucasus was reduced to ordinary banditry, "zakat" ("security taxes"), etc. Some trashy heads of mountaineers from among local youth are of no fundamental importance. All this has already taken place in the history of the Caucasus.
    In addition to what is already being done, I would consider it necessary to do the following in place of the country's authorities:
    middle Asia
    - it is necessary to move the CSTO headquarters to Central Asia, say, in Alma-Ata or Dushanbe;
    - all parts directly reporting to the Collective Security Treaty Organization should be transferred there as well (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan);
    - restore the grouping of border troops in Tajikistan;
    The North Caucasus
    - to appoint all the leaders of the power structures in the republics from among the Russians;
    - relocate the families of the first-circle militants (father, mother, wife, siblings) to Tiksi, Bodaibo, to demolish the houses;
    - increase the duration of business trips of special services to the North. Caucasus up to 2 years, restore "combat" payments;
    - provide an opportunity not to notify the local security forces about the alleged operations;
    - allow torture of captured members of illegal armed groups;
    - allow local muftis to operate only with permission and under the supervision of the FSB;
    - prohibit the training of local clergy abroad, as well as the activities of any foreign religious institutions in the Caucasus;
    - prohibit the hajj to the inhabitants of Sev. Of the Caucasus.
    There are a few more thoughts, but this is basic.
    The East loves and respects ONLY strength. Any attempts to the contrary are regarded as a manifestation of weakness and defeat of state structures. We will act tough - then we will win.
    1. His
      His 23 July 2011 19: 43 New
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      It was during the USSR. Now it is impossible. An example in Afghanistan: the Americans did not achieve anything in domestic politics, no matter how many troops went there. The only plus is bases and control in Central Asia, a heroin attack on Russia, Pakistan’s control, and, in the long term, access to the Caspian Sea, closer to oil and gas ..
      1. Ivan35
        Ivan35 23 July 2011 22: 13 New
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        I agree about the Afghan - it’s hard to achieve something there by force. But where I live - another story - here, in the minds of people as a whole, everything is correct for both Russians and Kazakhs. The whole problem is few of them, and both. They do not need "wisdom" and so on - they have everything normal with this - they just need to help with force to help defend their own against external aggression. And the headquarters here must be transferred to Alma Ata and these quarrels here to house - all help. With the budget and money, they are doing well - but the numbers are not enough - the same trouble as in Russia.
        I can not understand why the more southern peoples have no problems with this? They are more and more with their poverty!
    2. Owl
      Owl 23 July 2011 19: 55 New
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      There is a Law and a Constitution, therefore, to expose, demolish and prohibit Hajj - busting, those who "work" there do it quietly and without publicity ...
    3. DAGESTAN333 23 July 2011 21: 20 New
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      List mitrichbut quite cool, but fair. Hajj should not be prohibited, it means - we will not be able to fulfill our religion. For example, I propose the following - with groups (5-50 people), let the specialists go and control the situation, etc.

      mitrich, East, more than power, loves wisdom.
    4. oper66
      oper66 11 August 2011 20: 20 New
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      Mitrich completely agree with you, and ours came up with civilians in the war only brutal legal power will restore peace in these regions, they still remember and tremble at the word YERMOLOV it causes them to be on the genetic level
    5. dashkkyar
      dashkkyar 10 September 2011 23: 28 New
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      tried to answer almost every * subitem * but with quotes it didn’t fit the size of the comment, and it didn’t pass ... in general, if you had taken the place * of the country's authorities * the country would have collapsed in a matter of months)
  7. mitrich
    mitrich 23 July 2011 19: 46 New
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    why not? What interferes besides eggs?
    There will be a will, political, and the impossible will become possible.
    1. His
      His 23 July 2011 19: 51 New
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      The time is different. It is necessary to create attraction. Develop Integral Processes - Eurasian Union. We do not have honest allies in the world, we do not print dollars. We have other opportunities not like the United States. But there are pluses in the form of a common story. Therefore, friends in the West are trying to eradicate and rewrite history in their own way (an example of sukashvili in Georgia, Shrek in Ukraine)
      1. Don
        Don 2 August 2011 13: 52 New
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        Who do you mean by Shrek?
    2. svvaulsh
      svvaulsh 3 August 2011 19: 04 New
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      Just the absence of these eggs also interferes!
  8. Owl
    Owl 23 July 2011 19: 47 New
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    We do not know how to restore legal constitutional order after the war. In the Chechen Republic, our Victory, thanks to the "power holders", became a defeat for Russia: they put Kadyrenka, he pardoned almost all the "fighters" and accepted them for service in the police and state authorities, now the Chechen Republic is a rookery and recreation area for bandits and terrorists who "work "in Ingushetia, Dagestan, neighboring republics and in Moscow (St. Petersburg and other large cities). In Moscow, Russians will soon become a national minority. In 2000, an elderly Chechen (40-45 years old) on the outskirts of Grozny was surprised by the actions of Russia: why put the “Czech” in power (clanism will work there, there will be no order), he said that it’s better to put the Russian governor-general and the Russians for 10-15 years to the main key posts (Chechens, only equally from each diaspora — to helpers), Russia did everything through Zh, after adequate Kadyrov put inadequate Kadyrenka, gave the bandits the territory, taxpayers pay Grozny repair for the euro, Russian soldiers, employees and officers carry losses in the North Caucasus region. The war should end with the destruction of the OPPONENT and not the granting of power to him with the assignment of the high rank of Hero of Russia.
    1. His
      His 23 July 2011 19: 53 New
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      Do not get hung up on the past. Then there will be a complete stupor. Most importantly, our troops do not celebrate New Year in Grozny
      1. dashkkyar
        dashkkyar 11 September 2011 00: 14 New
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        It has long been known that history repeats itself, in one form or another, but all that is now, when it was in the same form, the main difference is technology.
        even a broken watch shows the same time twice a day.
  9. mitrich
    mitrich 23 July 2011 19: 51 New
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    OWL,
    not everything is as simple as you think. For example: tell me at least one resident of Chechnya who committed a terrorist attack in central Russia over the past 3 years?
    1. Owl
      Owl 23 July 2011 20: 44 New
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      Domodedovo
      1. dashkkyar
        dashkkyar 11 September 2011 00: 15 New
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        not a fact, they found some * dark * hand and scream that they are Caucasian.
    2. svvaulsh
      svvaulsh 2 August 2011 14: 11 New
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      Was the Nevsky Express blown up in central Russia?
    3. huginn 18 August 2011 12: 25 New
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      Well, if we assume that the geographical center of Russia is the southeastern shore of Lake Vivi - the Evenki Autonomous Region of the Krasnoyarsk Territory.
  10. mitrich
    mitrich 23 July 2011 19: 55 New
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    I sympathize with you, but what you write on the subject of this article is general reasoning. And there you need specifics. Do what you propose?
    1. His
      His 23 July 2011 20: 11 New
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      The world is changing too fast. It is necessary to get under the stream. After all, who could imagine that France would be so active in military affairs. We see a resurgent Germany, we see the fall of elderly leaders in the East, we will also have it in Central Asia, we see the military ambitions of China. Now there are problems about the default of the United States, so the United States is an inflatable bubble of power ?. The main thing in Russia is to avoid the big military. It’s good that we did not get into a showdown in Kyrgyzstan last year, everything there resolved itself. We have the main problems as always. We changed the shrek in Ukraine, but it didn’t become easier again, there are slow advantages with the last dictator of Europe Lukashenko. In short, one must be modern, be able to be friends with everyone
  11. His
    His 23 July 2011 19: 59 New
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    Now the most popular brand is the struggle for democracy. And why can not we vparivat the same. But sometimes there is a disgust from such a democracy, flying on wings. Then you need to create a new incentive. But we had a chip communism, many of them were conducted. So you need to think about what is better to come up with. Wahhabism has taken an empty place in people's heads
  12. mitrich
    mitrich 23 July 2011 20: 04 New
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    The main nodule is now in Dagestan, which I in 1999 could not have imagined. As for Chechnya, while Ramzanchik keeps his abreks in check, not allowing them to engage in lawlessness in Russia itself (domestic lawlessness does not count), even announced a program to return the Russians to Chechnya - this is already good.
    1. His
      His 23 July 2011 20: 14 New
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      Ramzan is our trump card. If Chechnya breaks out, there will be a general rebellion in the Caucasus.
      1. Owl
        Owl 23 July 2011 20: 48 New
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        Compare Kadyrenka and Yevkurov, who is engaged in the preservation of central authority and is engaged in the fight against corruption and banditry?
        1. dashkkyar
          dashkkyar 11 September 2011 00: 18 New
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          none of them
  13. mitrich
    mitrich 23 July 2011 20: 23 New
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    OWL,
    "forest" kill their co-religionists. The same Muslims. The Muftis alone, who urged them to lay down their arms, how many were killed! I didn’t count, but certainly more than two dozen. What is the Constitution and laws in relation to them? And as for the evictions and the demolition of houses - this is because their families are their rear. There will be no rear - there will be no front.
    1. Owl
      Owl 23 July 2011 20: 45 New
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      it must be done quietly
    2. dashkkyar
      dashkkyar 11 September 2011 00: 20 New
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      and here you are, take this matter - take a crowbar in your hands and go to demolish the homes of families of those who easily kill whom they want even in the center of Makhachkala fellow
      they’ll find where you live, even in the outback of Berezovka somewhere in Arkhangelsk and they will demolish your house and * rear * faster than you will raise that scrap .... I don’t understand your suggestions ... didn’t you read the story?
  14. atheist
    atheist 23 July 2011 20: 27 New
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    as Stolypin said, give Russia 20 years of a quiet life and we will overtake everyone in the world,
    in the modern world it is necessary to do everything not in 20 years, but in 8 maximum
  15. mitrich
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    OWL,
    the terrorist attack at the Domodedovo airport organized a Dagestan bandit underground. Magomed Yevloyev is also a native of this republic.
  16. mitrich
    mitrich 23 July 2011 21: 16 New
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    OWL,
    of the two of them I will choose Kadyrov, after the assassination attempt, the former brave paratrooper Yevkurov was blown away like a rubber ball.
    1. Victor 24 July 2011 17: 32 New
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      Mitrich, I treat you with great respect, but you are wrong with Yevkurov. I have known this man for a long time. He is not blown away, he continues to work. Just became a little more careful. It is right. As for the Caucasus, it does not tolerate unnecessarily hasty decisions. The basis of Caucasian Muslims is hereditary suffixes. They are natural opposed to Wahhabism. Support from the state is certainly needed, and decisions sometimes need to be tough and quick, but only Caucasians themselves can solve the real problem. That is why Russia, as air, needs a stable, prosperous Chechnya, reaching out to Russia sincerely. Then Grozny will again become an outpost of Russia in the entire Caucasus. Classical madrassas are now open in Chechnya, giving a normal Islamic education, which is gradually beginning to supplant the proliferated Wahobis. Even the toughest measures will not give the effect of Christians that can be achieved by the local Islamic community, of course, if the corruption of power is controlled. Somehow I think so.
      1. dashkkyar
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        Quote: Victor
        you are wrong with Yevkurov. I have known this man for a long time. He is not blown away, he continues to work. Just got a little more careful.

        and rightly so, a year or two there won’t be him ... he himself preserves his countrymen so that Kadyrov against his background is a pink rabbit with a bouquet of daisies ... the Ingush hate Evkurov and looking at the fact that the number and greyhound * of the forest * only increases, then he does not have long ...
        Quote: Victor
        The basis of Caucasian Muslimshereditary suffixes.
        said the most famous theologian of Runet ... Sufis in the Islamic world are recognized as apostates, they are drug addicts with their * invented * Islam (they have the opinion that Islam is impossible without Suffism, and Suffism without Islam is quite possible), and those who went into the forest, they hate in the Caucasus, it’s they who kill indiscriminately - whether a woman, a child, or the whole family ... before making such * smart * statements about what you don’t have knowledge about, ask the people Muslims, read about Islam.
        and find out what * Wahhabism *

        Quote: Victor
        Classical madrassas are now open in Chechnya, giving a normal Islamic education, which is gradually beginning to supplant the proliferated Wahobis.

        yeah, normal ... elderly women gather in the rooms and it is incomprehensible that some South African dances in a jump to the rhythmic singing of the shahadat ... and the Kadyrov militants dance * lezginka * to the same humming ... or the elders will gather in the center cities and under dhikr shaking their heads spinning round dances, praying for the dead, pilgriming to the graves of their ancestors and after all the Wahhabis are to blame))
  17. mitrich
    mitrich 23 July 2011 21: 34 New
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    DAGESTAN,
    even as you suggest. Although I personally, the Orthodox, do not really suffer from the fact that I have not yet visited Jerusalem in the world-famous Christian church. After all, the essence of the idea is: to prevent the relations of the Muslims of the Caucasus with the radicals, which is facilitated by the pilgrimage.
    You think I'm bloodthirsty?
    I just want peace in the Caucasus quickly. And for this, it is necessary to quickly destroy the enemies, and not to talk about tolerance, liberalism and other crap.
    1. DAGESTAN333 23 July 2011 23: 45 New
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      ... no, I don't think you're bloodthirsty.
      It’s just ... normal Muslims will also suffer from drastic measures. And if otherwise it will be impossible, well, have to suffer ...
    2. dashkkyar
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      you are an evil and scary gray wolf wink
      Quote: mitrich
      After all, the essence of the idea is: to prevent the relations of the Muslims of the Caucasus with the radicals, which is facilitated by the pilgrimage.

      And what kind of Muslims do you need in the Caucasus? obedient lambs with beards?))) Islam is the force that opposes modern liberal establishment (Jemal's favorite words smile ) Muslims in the Caucasus do not oppose the Russians, they confront and struggle with the situation that prevails there - * Putin’s * henchmen are a hotbed of corruption, lawlessness and oppression in everything - whether the highlander’s secular or religious life, they sensed a feeding trough from the center and let's aggravate ... and then they whine - we were attacked by terrible radicals, they are fiends and we need your Russian billions every year to buy armored pistons and Mercedes for the highest level of money ...
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      I just want peace in the Caucasus quickly. And for this, it is necessary to quickly destroy the enemies, and not to talk about tolerance, liberalism and other crap.

      before you for half a century and tried both fellow Yermolov at first — as you thought, he didn’t curse, it caused even greater intensity, because of it the mountaineers not only fought for independence, but already had personal accounts * revenge * with the Russian people, Cossacks, etc., then clattered it was when the tsar had personal protection from the Caucasians - then it was quieter, in general, today it’s better to curl than to grind your teeth ... Chechnya is an example.
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        dashkkyar,
        I suggest that you first grind off your heels in the Caucasus mountains, and only then you will be “tolerant” and “multicultural”. Thank you ...
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          dashkkyar 11 September 2011 22: 20 New
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          ??
          is it so, just to write or a comment with a very hidden meaning was?
  18. atheist
    atheist 23 July 2011 22: 05 New
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    and for me nationality has little effect on it, the main thing is that they live according to the law of the state, and not according to the law of mountains
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      dashkkyar 11 September 2011 00: 56 New
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      how does a mountaineer live by the steppe laws?)))
  19. DAGESTAN333 23 July 2011 23: 00 New
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    The article fairly accurately depicted the situation.

    Yes, the goal of Muslims is to spread Islam all over the world.

    In order - Islam must spread.
    - To begin with, the distribution is peaceful, by all [known and decent] methods.
    - if the peace plan does not work, then the minimum (ideally) necessary military impact will follow.
    - if non-Muslims are a significant minority, then they pay a tax (acceptable amount) to the treasury of the (Islamic) state, and live as equal citizens.
    - if the Islamic state is prevented from fulfilling the Sharia legal base, this state is fighting against such a will, by all means.
    -so it was originally-

    -real reality-

    The Islamic world has lost its first battle of civilizations. The next global battle will put everything in its place - IN THE PLACE WHERE HE SAID GOD

    -North Caucasus - Dagestan-

    -Dagestan at one time struggled against Russian influence, fought to the last, defending its identity and religion.
    -Dagestan lost the war.
    - It was expected that the Russians would ban Islam, and begin to forcibly introduce Christianity. They will cut out the local population to a level safe for themselves, and populate the Russians.
    The Russian emperor allowed Islam, set an example (unprecedented for us, we were shocked ..) of the highest nobility - left Shamil and all his adherents a life, allowed Shamil to perform the hajj.

    Our duty to the Dagestanis is not to hit the Russian knife in the back when he, having put his sword in the scabbard, turned away in confidence, after all that had happened.

    We continue to spread Islam. BUT, we still have one method - show an example moral perfection(so far it turns out badly). Honor commands.
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      svvaulsh 2 August 2011 14: 39 New
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      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      - if non-Muslims are a significant minority, then they pay a tax (acceptable amount) to the treasury of the (Islamic) state, and live as equal citizens.


      There are a minority of Muslims in Russia. Can also introduce a tax on you?

      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      - if the peace plan does not work, then the minimum (ideally) necessary military impact will follow.


      It seems the emperor was wrong. And now we are reaping these benefits.


      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      Dagestan at one time struggled against Russian influence, fought to the last,



      The bulk of the shamkhals swore allegiance to the king without resistance.
      Reread V.A. Potto "Two Centuries of the Terskago Cossacks" ed. 1912.

      Conclusion: You can believe in anything and anyone, but do not impose your opinion, beliefs and faith on others. Otherwise, any action causes a reaction. And it will grow. But when you understand this, then there will be no problems
      1. DAGESTAN333 2 August 2011 17: 52 New
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        There are a minority of Muslims in Russia. Can also introduce a tax on you?


        -Yes, this was done, for example - when Jerusalem came under the rule of Christians - Muslims paid a tax to Christians. But now I think this is not possible on both sides.

        It seems the emperor was wrong. And now we are reaping these benefits.

        Alexander, I will not begin to compare the intelligence of Alexander II with yours, as I would not dare to assume the results of the rule of a person like you. Fruits are known by comparison.

        The bulk of the shamkhals swore allegiance to the king without resistance.


        The Shamkhals were still skins, and in part, the people were all the same. But the legitimate authority was Shamil (Imamat).

        Can you believe in anything and anyone


        just forgot to ask you ...

        but do not impose your opinion, beliefs and faith on others


        I will always offer faith and belief, and from what you called it an imposition, it will not become such. I did not like my conviction - well, please .., I will not offer it anymore. But be kind, do not tell me what to do, if advised normally - no problem - you can discuss.

        Otherwise, any action causes a reaction


        - a rather frivolous statement. Those who will provide this very opposition usually prefer to remain silent about such things ...

        Conclusion: conclusions are made very carefully, made by people serious and very competent. And less competent comrades try to at least not anger each other.
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        Dovmont 9 August 2011 20: 55 New
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        V.A. Potto also wrote History of the Caucasian War. They say an extensive and bitterly honest book. Only now in 100 years it has never been reprinted and is a rarity. It would be interesting to read it.
        1. dashkkyar
          dashkkyar 11 September 2011 01: 33 New
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          I think there is a rootkere, I downloaded it from there a long time ago
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          aL13n 11 September 2011 04: 36 New
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          here there is :)
      3. dashkkyar
        dashkkyar 11 September 2011 01: 30 New
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        Quote: svvaulsh
        There are a minority of Muslims in Russia. Can also introduce a tax on you?

        try lol
        Quote: svvaulsh
        It seems the emperor was wrong. And now we are reaping these benefits.
        would not be right - he would not have a Caucasus;)

        Quote: svvaulsh
        The bulk of the shamkhals swore allegiance to the king without resistance.

        there was only one shamkhal, and the fact that they swore no one argues with this, but only they swore it, and not all Dagestanis fellow in Dagestan at that time there was a huge number of free societies that did not recognize anyone's authority over them; they then swore allegiance to no one.
        Quote: svvaulsh
        Otherwise, any action causes a reaction. And it will grow. But when you understand this, then there will be no problems
        By these actions and the imposition of opinions, beliefs, religion, laws, life, the rules of life, even the national costume - did the Russians raise the Caucasians against themselves, or do you not believe in it? or for you svvaulsh the history of the presence of Russian in the Caucasus has opened recently? or are you so duplicitous that the fact that when someone * non-Russian * engages in such activities is wrong, and if the Russians suffer the same nonsense, is this for the good of the Russian people?)
    2. dashkkyar
      dashkkyar 11 September 2011 01: 08 New
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      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      In order - Islam must spread. For starters, the spread is peaceful, by all [known and decent] methods.

      there is only one method - preaching, teaching.
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      - if the peace plan does not work, then the minimum (ideally) necessary military impact will follow.
      the military influence * worked * right away, in all societies the ruler of the Muslim was put by force of arms, with him was put the qadi (scientist), who by all means accompanied the study of the local * semi-subjugated * population, the study of Islam.

      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      - if non-Muslims are a significant minority, then they pay a tax (acceptable amount) to the treasury of the (Islamic) state, and live as equal citizens.
      the quantity did not carry weight, no matter how many * non-Muslims * in * the * captured * country - they loved to pay a tax on the observance of their religious rituals, in general for non-entry into Islam.

      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      -Dagestan at one time struggled against Russian influence, fought to the last, defending its identity and religion.
      Dagestan did not oppose Russian influence, on the contrary, absolutely all the feudal lords of Dagestan leaned toward Russia, more than the Turks or Persians, it was beneficial to them, very much, and to the very end it was free societies and those rayat communities (taxed by those feudal lords), who could no longer withstand the levied taxes, because when Dagestan entered the citizenship of Russia, all the feudal lords were taxed, those, in turn, taxed their subjects many times, the same, in turn, rebelled against the feudal lords, the feudal lords, in their first of all, they asked for help from their suzeien - Rus, the Russians came and stood up for the feudal lords, and we’re fighting to this day ...
    3. dashkkyar
      dashkkyar 11 September 2011 01: 20 New
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      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      -Dagestan lost the war.

      don’t say it’s still fighting fellow
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      - It was expected that the Russians would ban Islam, and begin to forcibly introduce Christianity. They will cut out the local population to a level safe for themselves, and populate the Russians.

      this happened, but they were afraid of Dagestan only with the Circassians, no matter how for 60 years the whole empire was stuck in impassable mountains ... and Islam was banned, but after a huge number of uprisings (the same Tatars, Buryats, Caucasians and other Muslims of the empire) the empress (as far as I remember) issued a decree on the free religion of their subjects. And about the cut and populated - you can look at the number of Russians in the Caucasus, in the same Chechnya was a shaft of Russians, Grozny was 70% Russian ... but now is not the time, the colony is declining ..
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      He showed an example of the highest nobility - he left Shamil and all his followers life, allowed Shamil to perform Hajj.

      Shamil was captured, but only because the image of Russia in the World was already very gloomy, she was accused by almost all of Europe of anti-human measures against Caucasians (after the Adyge genocide), even on some maps RI was depicted as a snubbed octopus that covered the floor of the world with its tentacles smile and if Shamil would be killed on the spot, it would add more dark colors to the already monotonous-black representation of Russia, therefore he was captured, with his whole family, and when he grew old and did not see that ardor for war, he was allowed to perform a hajj , with the condition that he will return, Shamil did not do this, he went to Arabia to meet ... after the capture of Shamil, the uprisings in Dagestan were immeasurable and continued for several years, it was important for the empire to catch Shamil, because after catching him she hoped to crush the uprisings, but after all, it wasn’t Shamil who started the war, and it wasn’t him who would end ..
  20. merkawa
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    Our leaders need to be on the pulse and not only in Asia and the Caucasus and take measures at the time. And the officials responsible for this matter should be given their hands on time, otherwise they are only interested in the loot in their own pockets and not the interests of the state angry
  21. Sorry 24 July 2011 08: 03 New
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    External threats identified in the article are correct. And probably all this is not only known, but also felt. With the withdrawal of US and NATO troops from Afghanistan, the danger will increase many times. But this is not all. In Russia, the East is also not very favorable. And this is mainly China. China is already a Great Power, which has literally become cramped on its territory. And in the Russian Federation, at the side of China, there is such an almost unowned space that is rich in forests, water and other natural blessings. And I think that this is more important than C .Caucasia and S.Asia. Because they, too, may be influenced by China and probably will. The Russian Federation may have two solutions. Surrender to China slowly with fewer losses and stretch this “pleasure.” Second, revive the army and navy and seriously prepare for war and the economy.
  22. Stephen
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    Russia and the Caucasus are one if extremism in the Caucasian cities and villages is extremism and we need to solve the problem together
    but not to the detriment of the civilian population.
  23. APASUS 24 July 2011 16: 05 New
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    I don’t believe in the religiosity of the war in the Caucasus! All wars go there, FOR MONEY AND FOR MONEY! A large half of these "freedom fighters" fight for grandmothers! And what religion has nothing to do with it.
  24. mitrich
    mitrich 24 July 2011 19: 39 New
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    VICTOR,
    thank. I also respect you, and FILIN, and RICO, and to everyone who has something to remember.
    We just exchange opinions, nothing more. Yevkurov is also not a stranger to the Urals - he served in the Purvo Military District. I was just somehow very guarded by his extreme statements, and Aushev’s fate was known to me, but he was also far from a coward in Afghanistan.
    Since you personally know Yevkurov, I will believe you with pleasure. I have always been for the diversity of opinions, on the basis of which the truth is born.
  25. mitrich
    mitrich 24 July 2011 20: 02 New
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    What has stopped? 710 more clicks left.
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      Mitrich, dear, I did not stop, I constantly look at the site. I just got a little bored. Themes began to repeat, and people began to chase epaulettes. Often, instead of thoughtful analysis, outright nonsense, just to gain clicks. Although, in fairness, it should be noted that there are interesting opinions and often they coincide with mine. And if they match, why repeat? When catches, I write.
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        By the way, I wanted to ask for a long time what rating gives why it is needed here at all
  26. mitrich
    mitrich 25 July 2011 01: 55 New
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    VICTOR,
    about "stopped" and "710 clicks" did not think at all that at your own expense you will take wink ! Sorry, I turned to another author. I’m at my service until the evening, friend ... But I don’t need virtual shoulder straps, somehow they don’t comfort the wallet and they don’t warm self-esteem. Can I give it to anyone who needs it ?!

    VLADIMIR,
    suddenly choose the time and place to express your authoritative opinion on this topic, then do a favor. Thanks to you, I am at the service of the most informed "DJ" on geo-layouts! Sincerely.
  27. births
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    I agree with Mitrich in everything. How to continue to serve? A friend in Chechnya under a contract says that they buy almost all sensible ammunition from Chechens. And this is considered normal.
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    I read all the comments with great interest.
    You guys a little ventilated my brain with your healthy and adequate thoughts, for which many thanks to you.
    Restraint and calm judgment, pleasantly impressed.
  29. mitrich
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    OPER66,
    you and I, as Mowgli said, are of the same blood. I am for tough measures, although far from the idea that all the inhabitants of the North Caucasus are enemies and scheerezateli. I don’t like their current youth unfinished ... By the way, I state not only my opinion, but also your colleague (Chechen by nationality).
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    mitrich during my business trips I have many friends among Chechens and in the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Czech Republic and in the departments there are many wonderful guys who sincerely hate what was happening, but what EBR did Berezovsky and they showed this people that everything is possible and nothing will be Czech for it and across mostly scared illiterate people living in poverty where nothing depends on them how the imams decide and it will be plus driving into the heads of young people about their superiority as men when they were caught in forests and basements it was a pity to look scared at them but don’t turn your back throws himself and crushed each other with a bang
  31. Patriot
    Patriot 17 August 2011 19: 17 New
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    http://shturmnovosti.com/view.php?id=27854

    Hello everyone, Comrades. A small request.
    Be kind. Read this article here. I really want to understand your opinion on what is stated in this article. For if all this is true, then something urgently needs to be done. Otherwise, thanks to the efforts of medical deputies, the liberals of our country will soon be gone.
  32. Sanzyro
    Sanzyro 18 August 2011 12: 45 New
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    And for how long did the Soviet government put things in order in their republics ?? AND?? At the same time having neither such weapons, nor means of communication and detection ... At the borders the same thing! And this is in the distant 20s of the last century. And after that some questions arise ???
  33. SAVA
    SAVA 18 August 2011 13: 54 New
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    First, you need to bring order to the national minorities within the country, NOT potential enemies left in the rear, at the same time show the property PEOPLE WHAT TO HIS cries for help heard, or at least not discourage and do not be intimidated if somewhere we decided the people themselves to restore order (Sagra) THAT WOULD NOT HAVE AS ANKEDOT AS "NA.KH.Y.A.KH.YD DRINKED GUESTS SCREAMED FORKING OUT THE SOBBLE HOSTS")))
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      Sanzyro 19 August 2011 01: 04 New
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      Something you and Pol Pot will surpass ... Tips, if you remember, were very multinational, and the order was not an example of the present! And mind you, they brought him on, pretty quickly after the mess of the civil war!
      1. SAVA
        SAVA 19 August 2011 01: 42 New
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        Not so fast, SAMU CIVIL how many people died, CONTINUE UNTIL 53 GO MY FAMILY ONLY GRANDMOTHER AND GRANDFATHER REMAINED other seven are dead, so if NOW drug traffickers destroyed, slave traders and slave-owners, THOSE WHO ARE GRANTED TO PRODUCTS AND Seeds of genetically modified plants imported into the country, a lot of the country will not lose everything equally parasites
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          Do not distort. The order was put in place, really quickly - in a matter of years. For the Stalinist repression-it is not necessary ... Statistics is a stubborn thing. Deaths during the reform years are several times more! As well as those killed in local conflicts, mind you - in peacetime! And as for all those whom you listed, you also cleared the country from them in those distant years. To the Liberasts, she got pretty smooth and clean.
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            I expressed the opinion the person which everything that happens to his country is fed up and not one I have such a great deal bothered occurring MURDER AND INTIMIDATION power to the people, the "authority" carousing due to the connivance cops, now the "lumps" parted any longer, these schemes to intimidate PEOPLE ISCHORPYVAYUT YOURSELF THE PEOPLE BEGINS TO RETURN AND ON THIS BACKGROUND DO NOT TIRED TO FEED THE PEOPLE GAVEN BORN, AND NOW ALREADY GROWED IN THEIR COUNTRY. THE QUESTION WHY THE COOPS ARE “COVERING” DRUG TRADERS ??????????? NO OTHER BUSINESS FOR ENRICHMENT ???????? ANSWER THEY ARE TRADERS OF OWN PEOPLE. MANY OF THOSE WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THAT, BUT ALREADY LATER, THEY MISSED IN THIS SWAMP, AND BECAUSE ONLY THE PEOPLE MAY DESTROY SOME AND PERFORM THE ORDER IN THE COUNTRY SOMETHING SOME ASE SOME AS IT IS SOME AS WELL AS TO ASK. !!!! MAY YOU HAVE ANY OFFER !!! !!! I WOULD LIKE TO LISTEN TO SOME
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              The voice of one crying, and not in the desert. The rhetorical questions do not require an answer. And it seems that we have no more problems than chocks and drugs ... But what about the observance of laws ?? To start. And tight tracking of their performance! Option ?? Or not? fellow
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                PROBLEMS MAY BE LISTED BEFORE MORNING, DO NOT LIST, YOUR RIGHTS COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS IS AN EXIT, BUT HE LIKE A DREAM))))))))))
  34. Patriot
    Patriot 18 August 2011 19: 08 New
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    Comrades. And, personally, it’s not clear to me. Why do not you believe in the veracity of this article?
    http://shturmnovosti.com/view.php?id=27854

    Or do you think that described in it is not our real life in a rich country? I think if you all in August 1991 knew what awaited our country, would you not have supported the side of ebn and his team? And, at the right moment, it was still necessary to reverse the situation and slowly, but surely, change everything methodically without shocks. Or maybe it's time to take off your glasses ???

    And by the way, didn’t anyone like my posts and links to that article? Why were they removed?
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      On this link - about, empty .....
  35. Patriot
    Patriot 18 August 2011 19: 17 New
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    And, in general, how painfully in the heart it is not pleasant to live without understanding who is on the side and who the ruling elite is working for, China, the USA or Europe ... !! But, the main thing that you have to realize, wow, it’s definitely not on the side of the interests of Russia and its people!
    By the way, the link to this article also migrated to this site.
    Here is this article on this site.

    http://topwar.ru/6243-proekt-utilizaciya-rossii.html
  36. dashkkyar
    dashkkyar 11 September 2011 00: 11 New
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    "And reports of murders, including those motivated by religious and ethnic hatred, have long become commonplace." --- bullshit, horror stories and propaganda.
    on ethnic grounds in the Caucasus, there have not been and will not be killings, and on the confessional as well ...
    1. The struggle is against the so-called * proteges and dogs of Putin *, which develop corruption in the region and increase the difference between rich and poor.
    2. Recently, two Russian nationalists with T-shirts * Yarussky * visited Chechnya, in the once most troubled republic of the North Caucasus Federal District, and they saw order, preserving the long-standing * relics * of their own Orthodox Russians, even the Old Believers, did not see the oppression of the Russians over the nat. sign and, in general, were satisfied and pleasantly surprised.

    and such * henchmen * and puppets like Nurgaliyev and Zionism-saturated media propagandize a kind of Muslim * wild Middle Ages *, make of Caucasians * haters of the Russian spirit and presence in the Caucasus *, but many Russians accept Islam, even some Ukrainians are on the list * of terrorists * .
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      Those. Should a terrorist accept Islam? And without, not?
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        dashkkyar 11 September 2011 02: 06 New
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        a Muslim already because he is a Muslim, at best for him - he is only suspected of being a potential terrorist
        and so, Breivik - a Zionist (or hto it is there), committed a terrorist attack, and he was presented as crazy.