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Suitcase, station, Ukraine?

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I began to prepare this material a long time ago, a business trip prevented me. Returning, I came across an article by Vladimir Lytkin (major071): http://topwar.ru/57243-razgovor-na-balkone.html.

So this stuff is like an addition. Extended.

Alas, I look at the world around me with my own eyes and perceive it with my brain. He is bad or good - another question. But on the stated question, I want to say what I saw with my own eyes and heard with my ears. This is about the problem of refugees.

The problem, unfortunately, is. And it was not created by us. We are forced to disentangle what is brewed by very different people. But this does not relieve responsibility either from us or from those who came to our country in search of ... Just in search.

I will not focus on those who read on those points, mostly negative ones, concerning ugly behavior of those who arrived. There were enough materials. I would venture to express my opinion.

Everything I saw and heard gives me the opportunity to divide those who came to our country into three categories.

The first. These are people who have lost everything. But it is first of all PEOPLE. Who want to start a new life, as they say, from scratch. I met with such people, good, at the border checkpoints I “hang out” systematically.

They are not going to sit on someone's neck. They have hands that grow from where it is necessary. I talked to a refugee in Donetsk. Victor Sergeevich from Pervomayki, near Lugansk. 62 of the year. He came with his son's family (daughter-in-law and grandson) and the remnants of his brother's family (14 boy of years and girlfriend of 10 years). The son stayed there, at the Brain.

I repent, quietly turned on the recorder, so I quote his short story verbatim.

“Why, come here ... There is no house, a shell hit right in the middle of the brother ... Though without torment, and then thank God. Tribes in my half were saved. Only their documents were burned, but something will come up.

Where to go? Yes, I do not care. At least to the nearest collective farm. I'm still strong, I know all the combines. And with bread all my life. So do not be gone.

I won't be back anymore, whatever it may be. Heavy. Sasha and I (twin brother. - Note) all my life together, even in the army. It’s up to the son to decide where he will be when it's over. And I will stay here. ”

And, fortunately, there are many such people. Simply, they are invisible, because they do not climb under the camera and reluctantly give interviews. Not for this go.

The second. There are fewer of these, but they are more noticeable - with their laments and sobs on the topic of how bad they are and how they are treated unfairly. It is those who believe that Russia simply owes them all, because they were forced to come here.

The best thing about this topic is the video from Sharia, whom I, as a blogger, respect very, very much.

Nothing to add. It’s just strange that some people are going to live, while others are going to be filled up with material aid, fed and kept until the end of their days. And, most interestingly, they do not need citizenship. Do not want. They want to be refugees so that everything will be for free.

By the will of fate, I met with such a family. I was just asked to help take things, not to say where and to whom. The good man asked, there was no point in denying.

I arrived in this neighborhood beyond the city limits. New house. Rose with bags and bags, there was a lot of things. New, completely empty apartment. There, a lady of years 25 with two children, one chest, the second year of 4-5. I immediately realized what the matter was, where it came from. I was even indignant that they didn’t say right away, I would also participate. But the further conversation turned my undertakings into 180 degrees.

It turns out that the head of the family is also present. Which works, guarding something. And citizenship does not interest them. They would have refugee status so that they could calmly sit out the conflict. Although she let slip that they were told that if they were granted citizenship they would be given this apartment in a preferential mortgage. The state will pay half, and they will pay half.

True, the issue with the apartment to them is also not very. Neighbors are bad, look askance. But there is why. A neighbor sold the house in the village, began to draw up a loan in order to relocate her daughter's family to the site. There are two grandchildren, and live on the other side of the city. I almost did not have time: you, a surprise ... There is nothing to not love your neighbor.

My humble opinion: this mortgage should be given to young families who live in rented apartments or in hostels. There are many of those. But in their place you can already populate anyone. So, in my humble opinion, and fair, and smarter. This practice will not cause aggression and discontent. And who does not like this situation - there is such a game that could be learned from the neighbors. "Suitcase, station, Ukraine" is called.

Third. These are generally not allowed on the threshold. These are those who really travels with the intention either to sit tight on the neck, or to snatch. I scandalous with two such little families. A journalistic certificate and the presence of such human qualities as the ability to "build" was very useful. Thanks to the Soviet Army.

These know exactly what they need. They are well aware of where and with which papers to go. And especially where to complain if anything happens. And enjoy it in full. And therefore it is not always that they receive the welcome they are given.

The first time I “pressed” such a little family in one of the clinics. I just heard a popper from the open window. And he decided to bring in his body and intervene. Because this woman screamed at the doctor, listing where she would complain if they didn't take them all. The list was impressive.

Well, I went to the entrance. And before the entrance stand with the Ukrainian numbers "Merc" ML and "Kruzak". Poor refugees ...

At the reception already smacked of surrender by staff. And here I am pinned. Immediately pulled ksivu and asked why the ora. This inflamed (kg on 140) refugee switched to me: “You have to write, they don't want to accept us, they arrange chaos, we are to Putin, we are Astakhov, we will call everyone !!!”

I calmly ask the doctor: why, actually? Why not accept if people have health problems? Although already understood that the case is unclean.

The doctor at the reception decided that I was on their side. And now add. And she began to explain to me in the second round that they didn’t need urgent help, but ... a dentist and an ultrasound scan of something there. And they, of course, will accept, but not out of turn. If only because there people recorded a week. And these sufferers, except for dill passports, no longer have any documents. And as if the clinic has no right to serve them, but of course, will accept.

I repent, came off in full. I was later told that such concerts happen almost every day. But I gave, a week later remembered. He explained everything to them, what rights they had, where they should go on their jeeps and with "fork" passports, all dumped. I frankly felt a pity utterly muzzled by these medici, so I didn’t choose a particular expression.

In general, I actually kicked them out. And the grandfather-guard wrote out in full - for the fact that lawlessness allowed. He left his number: like, if there are more like this, call, come.

He jumped out into the street, they still otpaivali this loud-voiced something, took a fotik and began to photograph all this gop. Then a peasant got out of a jeep, and to me, like, what happens and why I take them off "without permission." Well, I'm in the heat of the moment and I wrote him out.

The man was taken aback. And I also promised that I would dump the photos all over the country with the corresponding story about their heroism. And they will be happy to the fullest. Not really choosing the expression.

Penetrated. Very quickly they left. And then to me in the reception desk Svetlana said that they were from the city ... Cherkasy !!! According to passports. It's like, Mikhalych ...

And such, from areas of military operations (Exactly, Kiev, Sumy), felled by a shaft. Arrogant, requiring something forever. Refugees ... from whom and why? But here enlightened people enlightened.

It is no secret what crowds of Ukrainians worked in Russia, who are officially, who are not. And when the whole mess started, many simply decided to jerk into the country with milk rivers and milk and honey. And especially after relatives or friends here have settled in new apartments.

And all the rubbish to our shores suffered.

However, it is impossible to judge, by generalizing someone, projecting at all. Not all who came to us - boors and extortionists. Moreover, I am sure that boors are a minority. Simply, they are more noticeable. But to stigmatize at all is not our way.

In our opinion, give everyone according to his deeds. And look, look at everyone with eyes and mind. And render! To whom - to give an open helping hand and “welcome, brother,” to whom - pointing finger and “suitcase, train station, Ukraine”.

And nothing else.
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  1. komrad.klim
    komrad.klim 4 September 2014 09: 39
    +18
    Just do not put accents, shit that moves anywhere: to America, Israel, Europe, Asia, Russia, enough!
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 4 September 2014 10: 14
      +27
      . But hanging stigmas on everyone is not our way.

      To whom - to give an open helping hand and “welcome, brother,” to whom - pointing finger and “suitcase, train station, Ukraine”.


      Every society has moral degradants. Since childhood, we were taught that there are more good people .., we can only hope that it is so, although sometimes doubts about the correctness of this judgment creep in. The one who has lived knows what is being discussed.
      1. severniy
        severniy 4 September 2014 18: 48
        +1
        sorry, but not everyone has xivas and army training .. because, (the author did not indicate here), but there are not a few third ones .....
        1. uwzek
          uwzek 5 September 2014 02: 34
          -20
          And there are also fourth, and one hundred and forty-ninth. But where do you think the author found the clinic in which the doctor is sitting in the reception desk, so versatile that there are dentistry and ultrasound in one package (we have especially had the surgeons removed from the clinics for a long time)?
          1. opium
            opium 5 September 2014 09: 27
            +1
            and we don’t have) almost everyone has it about both. at least in what clinics was
          2. Marisat
            Marisat 5 September 2014 12: 27
            +3
            In each district. Only in the regional centers does division begin.
          3. Militia
            Militia 5 September 2014 22: 48
            +3
            Quote: But where do you think the author found a clinic in which the doctor sits in the registry

            Everyone sees only what he wants to see.
          4. Aljavad
            Aljavad 6 September 2014 03: 11
            +1
            discovered a clinic


            Normal Normal Polycom
            the face. Characters, it’s necessary to suspect, were looking for this - so that everything is in one package.
            "doctor at the reception" in this context is synonymous with "health worker". Stylistically acceptable, though not precise.
            Rђ RІRѕS,
            the doctor is sitting in the reception
            - so Banshee did not write!
            Finding out the little things - be careful in the little things yourself!
        2. Rostov
          Rostov 5 September 2014 23: 14
          0
          Very useful journalistic ID


          Roman, you turn out to be a journalist, but at one time published an article on VO

          Donbass women ask to protect them from arbitrariness in Taganrog


          without checking the facts, maybe they offended the good people who accepted the refugees, but it’s how it happens
          However, one cannot judge by generalizing by someone, projecting onto everyone.


          PS By the way, were you not interested in what the check found out there?
      2. Ulairy
        Ulairy 4 September 2014 22: 15
        +27
        Quote: subbtin.725
        We were taught from childhood

        And you still believe in it? Well, romance and "universal brotherhood", of course, have not yet been canceled as unnecessary, but somehow the belief in universal values ​​is stupidly stuck in the dirt of life. Out of 100 people, only 5 specialists came here, to us - the rest are hucksters (who think that we do not have enough of our own with 5 grades and a trade school). And God forbid something to someone bark at hamlo - peck! The other day, literally some fellow pushed my retired mother in the bus away from the half-open window (I was watching). The mother was indignant - why, they say, is there not enough space? (I was watching). And this bull, 20 years old from the pot, declares: "Quite, I'm a Nazi muzzle, ka! I'm a refugee .." (I didn't have time to finish - I didn't watch). Result: mother left, the two of us to the department. They let me go - I had my passport. But so that I still hear or see this !!! ... I have not heard that these poor things worked at our combine - they just "re-mix" around the hostels here. And I don't give a damn ... that they will declare me a Russian aggressor, I will break off the horns of this bull. There is no need to hide behind mother's skirts - let the "Donbass fight" knock down and die there. If you are a "refugee" - earn money for yourself, there are jobs at construction sites. To feed someone from their taxes for the fact that someone gathered in the EU, but failed ... this is generally nonsense. There are no "good people anymore", "kindness and mercy" ... There is an expression of the Khanty raising children: "It is not good that saves, but justice."
        1. sboeff
          sboeff 5 September 2014 19: 04
          +1
          Krasava !!! That's right !!! good
        2. Aljavad
          Aljavad 6 September 2014 03: 16
          +2
          It is not good that saves, but justice

          Approve! Well done! You can not help someone who does nothing! And rudeness should always be punished.
      3. Cadet787
        Cadet787 4 September 2014 22: 44
        +5
        04.09.2014 - 22: 29
        In Kramatorsk, an armored car turned over and Ukrainian soldiers died

        In Kramatorsk, an armored car turned over and Ukrainian soldiers died | Russian spring
        On the afternoon of September 4, an accident occurred in Kramatorsk. The armored reconnaissance and patrol car of punishers drove quickly along the road, ran into a speed limiter, jumped and fell on its side. At the same time, the people who were sitting on top fell onto the asphalt and crushed them.
        The car drove down Kim Street towards the main road Ordzhonikidze. How did it happen that the car turned over and people died, the investigator finds out, the head of the Kramatorsk State Automobile Inspectorate Andrei Gaiduk commented on the situation.
        At the same time, eyewitnesses claim that the BRDM flew into the speed bump.
        According to official information, two people died and four more were injured. They were taken to local traumatology. The servicemen have bruises of the arms, legs, head injuries and other injuries.
        Turned over the BRDM using special equipment. In the circumstances of the incident, law enforcement officers of the Kramatorsk city department of the police investigate. They promise to announce the official version of the incident on the morning of September 5th.
      4. Cadet787
        Cadet787 4 September 2014 23: 22
        0
        04.09.2014 - 22: 31
        The Ukrainian units blocked in Mariupol are trying to break out of the encirclement.

        The Ukrainian units blocked in Mariupol try to escape from an environment | Russian spring
        The fighting is on the outskirts of the eastern part of Mariupol.
        The Ukrainian security forces blocked by militias in Mariupol went on a breakthrough, reports Interfax. The headquarters of the DPR said that the military attempted to break through the area of ​​the village of Bezymennoye.
        Headquarters of the DPR: “Now there is a battle in the area of ​​the village of Bezymennoye. Some Ukrainian security officials are trying to break through the ring around Mariupol. The exact number and composition of the forces assaulting the position of the militia is being ascertained. ”
        In turn, eyewitnesses report explosions and shots from Novoazovsk.
        Eyewitness: “Explosions and bursts of large-caliber weapons are clearly audible. Being in the Vostochny microdistrict, it can be assumed that the battle is from Novoazovsk. ”
        1. Victor777
          Victor777 5 September 2014 21: 07
          0
          The Ukrainian units blocked in Mariupol try to escape from an environment | Russian spring
          The fighting is on the outskirts of the eastern part of Mariupol. - And who knows, our mariupol?
      5. hydrogen
        hydrogen 5 September 2014 09: 05
        0
        ... and the older you get, the more this rule becomes an exception.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 4 September 2014 10: 27
      +87
      Roman +! applaud standing! I see it practically every day. always wondered: how such hefty lads can be refugees ??? in our city (small), about 40 families have already arrived, all with "dads", NONE of them got a job! they say: why? if your salary is less than the allowance? right! if they are 800 rubles. a day for a fish ... oh sorry, they give out per person, but really in our city you can't earn so much, why should they work ???
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 4 September 2014 10: 38
        +38
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Roman +! I applaud standing!

        I join ... The applause grows into stormy! We have settled 120 families in DL DOU "Zvezdny", and a certain percentage of them just belong to the persons described in the article. As they say there is an example ...
      2. Russian German
        Russian German 4 September 2014 10: 50
        +31
        I join in the applause. From myself I can add: I work in medicine, during the Ukrainian events I saw those who asked with tears for help and talk about the ruined house, knee-deep in the water in the basement for 24 hours; I also saw those who pretend to be refugees and are trying to get free help. People are different. Most of all, the guy from Lviv who asked for help was amazed at 1988g .: he acted modestly, spoke Russian and openly said about the reason for being in Russia that he was hiding from draft in the army.
      3. VAF
        VAF 4 September 2014 13: 38
        +51
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Roman +! I am standing up


        I join, +! yesterday the son called the elder. I took two men to work, in their specialty, good men, professionals in their business, one from Kharkov, the second from Poltava, both naturally with their families and "arrived", as they say ... in "what my mother gave birth to."
        They told such a thing ... the hair on my bald head stood on end.
        They gave them a rate (I’m not telling you a godsend) 15 times (!!!!!) more. Than we received in dill + official housing for the period of the contract (contract for 3 years + extension) + food (full board for working hours) + free medicine. insurance, etc. etc.
        The truth is not in the capital .. but anyway .. in a good place, a working day 10 hours + 6 hours on Saturday.
        So they constantly "recycle", they do everything so .. that "the earth is on fire" (everyone is worried that they will do something wrong and they .. will be asked).
        This is the attitude of People to the Cause!

        so Roman for the article .... RESPECT! drinks
        The men "sing" with happiness!
        1. arane
          arane 4 September 2014 18: 18
          +20
          In my opinion, the key phrase in the article is that there are not so many freaks, they just create the appropriate background with their rudeness and consumer attitude! No need to comb all under one comb!
          And put this dirt in its place and "the suitcase station Ukraine"
          1. skullcap
            skullcap 4 September 2014 20: 58
            +9
            Quote: arane
            And put this dirt in its place and "the suitcase station Ukraine"

            In fact, given that all this mess was made in Ukraine by the local boorish minority, it would be more correct in our country and, most importantly, in Ukraine to demand from them: "suitcase - station - Europe."
            In order not to sow rudeness neither here nor in Ukraine.
            Then everything will fall into place.
          2. papas-57
            papas-57 5 September 2014 05: 19
            +2
            `` In my opinion, the key phrase in the article is that there are not so many freaks, they just create the appropriate background. '' Go.no always floats at the top.
          3. smith7
            smith7 6 September 2014 01: 52
            +1
            Another would be to filter them guaranteed and error-free and legally. Sort in filtration camps? They didn’t seem to have come "from the front to the rear" ... But nevertheless, from the areas of hostilities, where the preconditions for a wave of refugees were generated! So I think the filtration camps will be the right move. Those Ukrainians who save children from war and devastation in Russia will understand and tolerate, and we will weed out the freeloaders.
        2. Suhow
          Suhow 4 September 2014 22: 09
          +2
          and in Ukraine there are enough of these (refugees), there are a lot of them here, but there are not enough money. Yes, they will ask people who are especially zealous quickly. Here they go and they have the right to download where it is easier. The refugees from Cherkasy and Kiev smiled.
        3. start thinking
          start thinking 5 September 2014 09: 17
          +3
          I repeat once again: among refugees there are such that, I won’t be offended if their salary is higher than mine, But freeloaders should be sent back, as they do in Odessa (their favorite guide).
      4. SAXA.SHURA
        SAXA.SHURA 4 September 2014 16: 16
        +9
        One of them came to my country house to ask for work, I said that I pay a thousand a day (30 thousand a month), so he made such a face that I just sent him far and for a long time. That's it.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 6 September 2014 01: 11
          +1
          Quote: SAXA.SHURA
          I said I pay a thousand a day

          Happy 26 days, but that's not the point: this is a normal (in many places even SOOO!) Earnings. The question arises: what did these ... in their "Extreme" do, if a piece per day is not enough for them? !! You definitely need them, as an addition,
          Quote: igorra
          make you jump, even if we look at the circus for free.
          wassat
      5. igorra
        igorra 4 September 2014 16: 45
        +11
        In every way possible, in Ufa at a construction site people for a thousand from 8-00 to 20-00 really plow, this is considered to be a good salary for an average specialist, and here 800 for beautiful eyes. We also lived a week at work - the streets of revenge. Especially kills refugee camps, all healthy, with hands and cooks to cook them, interesting maids do not make beds? What do they think, we draw money? And on the other hand, it can make you jump, even if we look at the circus for free.
      6. alex.cht
        alex.cht 4 September 2014 17: 27
        +11
        I completely agree. Different people come across. Someone comes without anything .. absolutely without anything. Someone with huge trunks. Someone wants a salary of 50-60 thousand, someone agrees to 20 and the shift method of work, and any roof over his head ... just to not shoot. One clarification. 800 rubles is transferred to the temporary accommodation point per day per refugee. Nothing is given out of them. This money comes from the federal budget and has still not reached us. Apparently the road is long .. yes all in potholes ...)) They are expected by the end of September ...)) People who arrived centrally get to temporary accommodation points. They have no refugee status. And that means they are not paid. They can be offered either migrant status, and then they fall under the resettlement program, or the status of temporary residence. When finding work and discharge, so to speak, from the point, people can be paid a lump sum allowance at the rate of 5 tr per person and 10 TR per child. But this is already the money of regional budgets, and the regions make their own decisions. Many refugees come by themselves. Mostly to relatives, friends. So far, something like this ...
      7. Discus_27
        Discus_27 4 September 2014 17: 42
        +5
        I agree in my city in Siberia, they also brought about 1000 people, they settled in boarding houses, sanatoriums and pioneer camps, none of them work, although they have been chewing for a month, they refuse to give vaccinations. By the way, they had one unpleasant incident with them, a couple of "refugees" got drunk. They stole a six from a local sanatorium and drove the drunk around the city, raised all the cops on their ears, caught them in the fields. A friend told the silence to the press.
      8. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 4 September 2014 23: 33
        +15
        The refugees are different. But young healthy men are not refugees, but deserters.
        As for the benefits and benefits with which they are trying to shower them here, this is another window dressing of our near-by government. In addition to bitterness, it does not cause anything.
        Try to understand our mothers who for years have been waiting in line for an operation for a child and who see how everything is done out of turn for Ukrainian children due to Russian quotas.
        Preferential mortgage - generally a circus. Why on earth would our government pay them half the price of an apartment? In my 53 years, I also had to buy a one-room apartment in a mortgage. Not served, not worked, it turns out.
        By the way, there was one very interesting moment. St. Petersburg, a convenience store. I buy food in the morning and forgot to take the package. I ask you to convey - and suddenly I hear a characteristic Ukrainian dialect - he is supposedly full .... from the village, he does not know the rules in the city. I turn around and look - a young couple, years on 30-35. I’m saying that I’ll wait at the exit now, and then explain to me who I am and where I come from.
        Managed, began to apologize. We talked. It turned out that they were from the Donetsk region, here they were given for temporary use 2-x apartment without decoration. So they are going to privatize it.
        In St. Petersburg, hundreds of thousands of people live in communal apartments, rent apartments, and somehow try to find a job. And nobody offers them "for temporary use" an apartment.
        There remained a disgust for both these "refugees" and the city government. Everyone is trying to outdo each other - who will better accept and equip these freeloaders.
        But their Russian citizens, as before, do not care.
        Just disgusting.
        1. uwzek
          uwzek 5 September 2014 04: 18
          -3
          And why is it contrary? Ordinary rear srach. Tales about preferential mortgages (you mortgage yourself, you know how preferential it is), about the temporary use of apartments (the latter is not quite a fairy tale: we were also asked in the city to provide vacant housing for refugees from Ukraine free of charge for up to two months, can anyone and provided temporarily). What kind of Russian quotas did you come up with in Russian hospitals for Russian children, I personally do not really understand.
          In Ukraine, there is a war, so far on parts of two regions. Even if it does not overlap further, in winter the people from there will flood in all directions. Including to us, and in large numbers (still flowers). We were not the only ones to unleash this bum, but we will have to pay our share if we are men, not women.
          The first (unfortunately apparently not the last) wave of refugees from Ukraine received a certain bonus due to charitable assistance. But, if you read the thread, no one gives money to refugees. 800 rubles is the conditional expenditures of the treasury per refugee (for example, the money that we spend on one orphanage every day, the average Russian will calmly feed himself, his wife, a couple of children and still have beer, - and that is, our orphanages are cooler ,
          what do they live in a family?). By the way, the government has already issued a decree that a refugee who refuses three times the proposed job is deprived of the right to benefits, do you seriously consider in your 53 years that the country does not worry only about you?
          The unexpected influx of millions of people into the country (some with hands and a head) should be taken for granted, and not generate rumors like a woman. And you need to count your money, not strangers. And do not envy the petty Ukrainian crooks and businessmen (five night stalls in Berdishchev): no one will get them without us (and without the police), there will be enough of their own in every village.
          It’s you who, after a million refugees, panics (or rather retells gossip), and when will there be ten of them? People are fleeing the war from a crumbling state for a variety of reasons (someone does not want to serve in the Ukrainian army, but there are also agents of enemy intelligence who are trying to get into our secret laboratories under the guise, even homosexuals exist).
          1. Egen
            Egen 5 September 2014 06: 57
            +9
            uh Andrey Ivanitch I apologize a little did not understand ...
            Quote: uwzek
            Tales of preferential mortgages

            what are you talking about? In our country (Kuzbass), Governor Tuleyev announced that refugees who received Russian citizenship are allocated 0% mortgages, and the region pays up to 50% of the cost individually. To just give "our" - I have not heard. As a soldier, my sister received a soft loan at 6,5%, it seems, but that was 10-15 years ago.

            Quote: uwzek
            What Russian quotas did you come up with in Russian hospitals for Russian children

            also did not understand a little about what you ...
            a month ago the child was operated on in Novosibirsk. Paid. There are quotas from Kemerovo to the Novosib Fed, but it is understandable to count on the fingers and MAY BE only for the next year. In principle, this applies to both children and adults, this is a standard procedure, they are allocated through the departments of "health" under the regional administrations

            Quote: uwzek
            nobody gives money to refugees.

            uh, they give us ... either 23 or 24 a thousand months ... I won’t lie, I didn’t think about refugees or having accepted citizenship ... but people are clearly indignant, for example, my wife’s doctor plows the department head and gets less, do not believe ...
            Already wrote, in the department the daily turnover of 6 beds. One day, by order of the above, they put 2 from Ukraine without any natural poles, analyzes, or anything else laid down by law. 2 of 6. Other days, of course, there is 0, but given that the hospitalization queue is now being recorded for December, it is clear that the previously recorded 2 had to be refused - well, there’s nowhere to just physically put it! Shuffled of course, but ...
            In addition, during the examination, a whole bunch of all the bad things was revealed, they began to dig up - in general, they found out interesting things with Ukrainian medicine. It turns out that children do not get vaccinations like ours, so they expect us to have an measles epidemic. Narcotic drugs are more freely sold, so 6 people who applied for such visitors were registered as drug addicts. Well, etc., I already wrote about this ... In principle, there is this on the Internet if anyone needs confirmation, I have no time to look, sorry
            1. 1500014781401
              1500014781401 5 September 2014 13: 21
              +2
              Among refugees, our Belarusian doctors register cases of open. forms of tuberculosis and AIDS. With medicine there, it seems, is really not all right.
              1. Suhow
                Suhow 6 September 2014 01: 19
                +2
                Yes, the medicine in our country (Ukraine) is different, but the majority in the pursuit of the hryvnia is not up to it, it was easier for work, and you can even stay without it, then caput ...
              2. Aljavad
                Aljavad 6 September 2014 03: 31
                +2
                Among refugees, our Belarusian doctors register cases of open. forms of tuberculosis and AIDS. With medicine there, it seems, is really not all right.


                There, medicine is frankly bad there. In the Rostov region. recorded a number of "diseases of devastation": lichen, lice, syphilis. I don't want to throw a stone at people. Kiev brought the country to the handle.
                1. tyler15
                  tyler15 7 September 2014 08: 37
                  0
                  Kiev Kiev, but it's all usa.
          2. RBLip
            RBLip 5 September 2014 10: 10
            +8
            [quote = uwzek]
            people like you minus me in October, when I started counting money, interest and other materialism associated with a loan to Ukraine and gas, which pumped kaklam for free ...
            it’s like you with foam at the mouth screaming that kakly are our brothers, just a little more and they will change their minds, they’re children ...
            and yes, I want to think that Russia remembers me not only when I had to go to the army and when I have to pay taxes, but also when I need a mortgage or I got sick, or my child needs a place in the kindergarten. and that I, as a citizen of Russia, a person who has been working for her good all my life, have certain prerogatives in front of that shobla who climbs here to stay ...
            PS from people who decide to minus, I would like a justification ...
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 5 September 2014 11: 22
              0
              Quote: RBLip
              PS from people who decide to minus, I would like a justification ...

              Familiar phrase.
              bully
              1. Rblipetsk
                Rblipetsk 5 September 2014 18: 46
                0
                Quote: Cynic
                Familiar phrase.

                Yes, I am not against expressing the relationship with the pros and cons. but if a person puts a minus, then it does not agree. I’m always ready to discuss, but how can we conduct a discussion with quiet minusers? wink
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 5 September 2014 19: 22
                  -1
                  Quote: RBLipetsk
                  but how can we have a discussion with quiet minusers?

                  But no way.
                  He endured and ordered us.
            2. ole_ga
              ole_ga 7 September 2014 19: 43
              0
              + no reason.
        2. povojdtrf
          povojdtrf 5 September 2014 16: 47
          +1
          agree disgusting
        3. na_bat.na_bat
          na_bat.na_bat 5 September 2014 22: 11
          +3
          I totally agree. I am always outraged when on TV they excitedly tell you what treatment the refugees received, what unique operations their disabled children did. I am not opposed, patients should be helped, but what about our difficult patients and children with disabilities, especially in the outback ??? They also need treatment, they have been waiting for help for years. And here - time! - and get it all at once! What do Russians feel at these moments - did someone think about this? I’m not saying it indiscriminately - the disabled child herself has been living in a big city since childhood. Already grown, learned it, gave higher education. What did it all cost us! They put their lives on it. I do not regret at all - a wonderful guy has grown. But no one brought us anything on a silver platter, on the contrary, often had the privileges laid out to rip off bureaucrats with a fight. And when I see how the races are now competing in helping refugees - whoever sheltered better and more comfortably, who provided more budget places at the university, who performed a more unique operation - my tears stifle me. And ours ??? Wait again? I understand politics, but it’s not necessary to bring everything to the point of absurdity and embitter the Russians with it.
          Natalia.
          1. Suhow
            Suhow 6 September 2014 01: 25
            +2
            in Ukraine, the same window dressing. At one time, service people said (5-7 years ago) with us (Ukraine) everyone lives well, except for its citizens. At this time, the number of Afro-Ukrainians has increased, but they haven’t entered.
      9. start thinking
        start thinking 5 September 2014 09: 11
        +4
        I don’t understand ... To show such impudence at a party. I don’t take the blame from those in power and social services. We need to help, but consciously, targetedly and with certain conditions: getting a job (albeit temporary).
    3. Saturn43
      Saturn43 4 September 2014 10: 44
      +18
      It’s not bad that there is a der * mo bad that there is no more or less effective counteraction
      1. rosewik
        rosewik 4 September 2014 11: 11
        +10
        But how will they answer? What if they put pressure on pity and complain? As I was told, refugees (Bryansk) are settled in the hostel of my former university, and here one such "refugee" was accommodated in a room, alone, although we lived in these for 4 and nothing, on one of the walls the wallpaper peeled off, well, the hostel all the same, and the lady goes to the commandant of the campus, and declares that she will not live in such a pigsty, and will file a complaint.
        As a result, the commandant's neck, she had a new room. And so it turns out that she has a lot of rights and can be impudent, and even the officials have no rights, in comparison with her, they do not.
        1. Astrey
          Astrey 4 September 2014 11: 59
          +14
          Strange reaction. Grown people will not create illusions at the expense of the contingent who has arrived. Psychos are everywhere. We are already familiar with our own, it remains to "build" newcomers to familiarize themselves with the conditions of correct behavior in today's society.

          Donetsk throat-grippers in Kiev and in Russia and in the steppe are equally disposed to rudeness and arrogance. Modest Donetsk residents have already begun to be called "from the region". The stereotype has emerged: the Donetsk woman is a brazen windbag.

          One thing is bad - we are all in the same boat, and / pah-pah-pah / SUDDENLY may turn out to be ... you know yourself.

          We accumulate more positive in ourselves. Less expectation of prettiness from change. The remaining person, on the edge of life, is more comfortable than a throaty insolent / scoundrel.
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 4 September 2014 14: 01
            +2
            Donetsk throat-grippers in Kiev and in Russia and in the steppe are equally disposed to rudeness and arrogance. Modest Donetsk residents have already begun to be called "from the region". The stereotype has emerged: the Donetsk woman is a brazen windbag.
            ...... You have not seen Makeevsky .... Donetsk compared to them are just children .... hi
            1. VAF
              VAF 4 September 2014 14: 18
              +13
              Quote: aleks 62
              ..You haven’t seen Makeevskys yet .... Donetsk compared to them are just children ..


              Yes, normal guys .. Makeevsky .. I constantly communicate, even now with Makeevsky and Donetsk. And they "sit" on the ground and fight. If not themselves .. then their children.
              Yesterday, talking with the namesake ... says wait ... our Grads flew .. badly audible.
              And as you say, you will find out that it’s ours ... and he says, and I’ll call another one from the dill ... here they fly over there and these over them.
              And I won’t get away from here .. both boys (although some boys under 30 have already) are fighting, but I .... and I still have my own reserves .. so if that .. get out!
              Oh people !!!! drinks soldier
        2. Egen
          Egen 4 September 2014 16: 33
          0
          That's it. Novel, the article is just +, but - to do something of what? :(
          1. Roman Skomorokhov
            4 September 2014 20: 44
            +7
            Fair? As for me - do not row all with the same brush. Good people - to help, boors - on tinsel and H-V-Y ...
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 4 September 2014 20: 54
              0
              Quote: Banshee
              As for me - so do not row all under one comb.

              Who would doubt that .
              drinks
            2. Denis 60 rus
              Denis 60 rus 4 September 2014 21: 48
              +1
              So ktozh from our officials boorish will be expelled? it’s easier to send a humble than an impudent, suddenly complains, the official will lose his place.
            3. uwzek
              uwzek 5 September 2014 04: 47
              -5
              Right! It is necessary to organize the Credentials Committee to check the contingent (good - boor). You are the General Chairman, the staff is one and a half million experts plus technical staff, offices throughout the country, the budget is appropriate ... The country has nowhere to spend money, just like knowing a boor Ukrainian refugee or yaofet (sarcasm, damn it).
              And yet, where is the clinic in which the doctors in the reception are taking?
    4. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 4 September 2014 21: 16
      +5
      You will excuse me, but I consider EVERYONE who is on the emelk jeeps to be non-refugees, otherwise, in general, the reason for all this is what is happening there on the Ukrainian-not. "Honest Business" is the same tale as the longevity of the apostles of three hundred years.
      1. Evgen_Vasilich
        Evgen_Vasilich 4 September 2014 22: 40
        0
        so what, a jeep and a jeep ... and the house was bombed, and the daughter (son, wife) died, and the house burned down, and he has hypertension of the 3rd degree and can’t fight, even if he wants, he won’t be able to, and only wants to burden his friends, but can’t ... and what? Tell me, can this be?
        1. start thinking
          start thinking 5 September 2014 09: 38
          +1
          Quote: Evgen_Vasilich
          so what, a jeep and a jeep ... and the house was bombed, and the daughter (son, wife) died, and the house burned down, and he has hypertension of the 3rd degree and can’t fight, even if he wants, he won’t be able to, and only wants to burden his friends, but can’t ... and what? Tell me, can this be?

          Very rarely. And such people are immediately visible. And here: the face with a hangover is not about ... you will go around, arrogance for ten and a cool show off ..
        2. batonoGivi
          batonoGivi 6 September 2014 09: 41
          +3
          Quote: Evgen_Vasilich
          so what, jeep and jeep ...

          Dear, the fact is that it's normal, I emphasize a normal SUV / crossover, such as ML, cruiser or padzherik, working honestly in 404 country, without stealing from the state and people - you can't buy it. You work honestly, whether at least seven inches in your forehead, at least three times a specialist - VAZ, ZAZ, or a 10-20 year old foreign car, in which you are the fifth owner (at least). A maximum of something budget Korean or Chinese from the salon, but on a terrible loan, when you need to give half of the family's income. So the stories about "refugees" on ML550 cause a minimum of bewilderment. Maximum dislike. A person in country 404, who can afford a new MLK or Hkakoynibud - can usually also afford real estate, somewhere in Europe. I do not take edge cases when the same X5 is bought on credit for many years, a person lives in a barrack, eats three homeless packages a day, the car stands near the house most of the time, because suddenly it also needs gasoline, but a jeep bought!
    5. Antor
      Antor 5 September 2014 01: 09
      +4
      Of course there is no need for accents, because we are kind to everyone, we are multinational, tolerant, ready to take off our last clothes and give them to the sufferer .. !!
      Only now, when you read how those who we collect them and demand that they give only new things use our clothes, you immediately realize that everything is not as simple as we would like !? Without accents ...!
      We accept refugees, help, well, who is against, a holy cause, but
      you involuntarily shudder when you suddenly learn from the article that "refugees" are suddenly offered an apartment on a mortgage, 50% of which
      paid by the state!
      Native Russian state, which for some reason does not offer such preferential conditions for its Russian young families!
      As a result, my relatives, a young family, have a mortgage for 15 years at 15% !? This is normal!
      And how should they react to such "lucky refugees" and how should they feel - "undeserving or something ..." !?
      And who is such a "generous" or deliberate enemy sets such accents in our country, when for their Russian-young families, bank slavery for 15 years, and for visitors it is almost paradise!
      The loyalty of our government to all this rubbish is very alarming, it only strengthens the impudence and impunity of our pro-Western opposition, nourishing the soil of hostility and hatred towards Russia and it is not surprising that FSB agencies are already involved somewhere, as they say in the press!
      Not everyone who comes to Russia, our father’s house and holy monastery,
      go with kind thoughts and here it is necessary to place accents
      and not to allow all kinds of evil spirits to fool around in our society, no matter what kind of cars they drive and no matter what kind of disguise they put on themselves.
      1. Cormorants
        Cormorants 5 September 2014 05: 37
        0
        And I was more discouraged by the fact: refugees from Ukraine came to us (Novosibirsk), they were arranged, everything is fine, but only on the NGS website such statements were unpleasant about refugees "Now all the places in kindergartens will be taken, etc." I am ashamed of my fellow countrymen, for such words!
        1. Egen
          Egen 5 September 2014 06: 35
          0
          Quote: Cormorants
          "Now all the places in kindergartens will be taken, etc." I am ashamed of my fellow countrymen, for such words

          Maxim, it’s true, to compare, you have twice as many people living in Novosib than we do in Kemerovo, ALL places do not work :) In general, the facts about kindergartens, schools, hospitals, housing certainly have a place, not to say that this is a drop in the bucket but inflate at least twice
      2. uwzek
        uwzek 5 September 2014 06: 28
        0
        In fact, this is a requirement for charity clothing - its wear, and not the vagaries of refugees (ordinary sanitary standards, stupid, second-hand clothes in every city are available, but standard).
        Why do the little crests become like? Those under each of their trees see our "Iskander", and for weeks this fact is discussed on the forums, on the basis of. And on our site, some cunning started the topic of refugee. And immediately the notorious housing issue in the father's house and the holy monastery. With pleasure, a lot of people, mostly men, sit and stupidly discuss who lives who is better, and because of whom he does not live even better ...
        You are now (like me, of course) seriously discussing the so-called essay on a free topic ... The author in front of you, as in political information, has arranged all the refugees into three shelves by category, and the most rotten example is a boorish nine-pound woman on "Lamborghini" from a mythical clinic where the childbirth is taken, and the organs are transplanted, and the evil eye is probably removed (if that woman came on foot, then she would already lie on the second shelf, or even on the first). There is an ordinary journalism. I'm not saying that the author is lying, he just describes hypothetical situations, slightly embellishing, possibly real, events. Consciously follows the lead of the people, with pleasure discussing the various real and imaginary benefits that various categories of this people have from our country. At the same time, even adults and our citizens who have lived enough, at the same time, constantly forget that in our country you sit down there and get off (with rare exceptions).
        Well, they examined the first refugees in the country, mainly in summer camps, in all kinds of unfinished houses, but winter is coming. They still live at the expense of local budgets, that is, they are eating up money for winter heating of the territories. It will not be able to go on forever, and the flow of refugees will probably increase sharply. That’s why you cease to envy refugees — they do not have much time to fat. Better sympathize once again ...
        Agree, it is not serious for an adult to scream "drang nah kiev" with rapture on one branch of the site, and whine on the next one about the wrong refugees from there, who by definition are very different, even pedophiles are definitely there, but they don't have it written on their foreheads ...
    6. start thinking
      start thinking 5 September 2014 08: 28
      +2
      What are the accents? !!! The article is very correct, though a little belated. This problem has long been in the air. And now it has become aggravated many times: not every Russian is able to buy an apartment, not only in Moscow, but even in the Moscow Region, and here there is, if not massive, then significant, purchase of housing (even elite). And these are supposedly refugees from Ukraine !?
      People of the 2nd and 3rd categories (this is in terms of the article), especially of the 3rd category can be seen right away, or, at least quickly determined, you need to put them in their place. Do not be afraid of their threats to complain about instances, since their aplomb is their main weapon. They live all their life on show-offs.
    7. Bort radist
      Bort radist 5 September 2014 18: 37
      +1
      Quote: komrad.klim
      Just do not put accents, shit that moves anywhere: to America, Israel, Europe, Asia, Russia, enough!

      LGBT activist Tsimbalova (Peter the lady in the Ukrainian flag) left Russia
      The news of the activist’s departure is vividly debated among her ideological opponents. The notorious deputy of the St. Petersburg Legislative Assembly Vitaly Milonov also spoke about this.

      In his speech (which cannot be cited here due to the abundance of profanity), the deputy expressed a desire that other activists also leave Russia and not bring into it "standards that are incomprehensible and unpleasant for most Russians."

      Good riddance
    8. Koltsov norm
      Koltsov norm 6 September 2014 17: 56
      0
      Thanks a lot to Roman for the article! I already read the second one, really like it.

      I am sure that people who have really experienced pain and blood will never allow themselves to be rudeness, but will be very grateful for their help. Most of them, of course, and we very condole with them and understand.

      However, these excesses have already bothered when the "ukroinotsy" are scared by the connivance of bureaucrats. What a habit - or in f ... kiss or forbid everything. If they said "help" from above, this does not mean that the floor must be swept in front of the refugees.
      And anyway, where did these mugs on Mercia or the Maidan jumpers come from?

      Someone generally registers them, some conditions are set for them, for example, to get a job within 3 months.
      And with what fright are apartments provided to them? Provide comfortable dormitories, small families or service housing, so as not to be privatized, the hospital and study are on a common basis. Yes, they are accepted, they are helped, but if they start to get greyhound, demand something there - a ticket to the teeth and to Ukraine, they don’t shoot there now.

      And do not be shy to do it as he did, I'm sure Roman will do it.
  2. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 4 September 2014 09: 39
    0
    And all the rubbish to our shores suffered.

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/742/uyam320.jpg
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 4 September 2014 09: 40
    +34
    There are all kinds, of course. Not far from me in a children's camp were refugees from Lugansk. And there are men ... To judge whether they are right that they are not fighting, I can’t do it, everyone has their own truth. There is no money at all, practically. They ask one to give them a hundred rubles a day for transport to the regional and regional centers, to go look for work. They promise to report for each ruble. People from the industries. miners. Something like this. request
    1. kingnothing
      kingnothing 4 September 2014 10: 43
      +5
      Here everyone says - strong men, refugees working with the family! They would fight, kill ...
      But everything is simple - these people do not consider Ukraine their homeland and do not want to die for it! Ukraine is not their mother native to them - Ukraine is their stepmother!
      1. rosewik
        rosewik 4 September 2014 11: 14
        +13
        It's hard to die, and even harder to kill, so it's not so simple.
        1. shershen
          shershen 4 September 2014 16: 52
          0
          For "dying" I will not say, I have not tried, but for "killing", it depends on whom.
      2. aleks 62
        aleks 62 4 September 2014 14: 04
        +4
        But everything is simple - these people do not consider Ukraine their homeland and do not want to die for it! Ukraine is not their mother native to them - Ukraine is their stepmother! ....
        .... Most of these people have their homeland where it is fatter and more chocolate .... Against this background, I just feel sorry for those militias who are fighting and who were killed precisely for their MOTHERLAND .... hi
      3. Evgen_Vasilich
        Evgen_Vasilich 4 September 2014 22: 41
        0
        not for Ukraine to die, but for their land ... for New Russia.
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 4 September 2014 09: 41
    +10
    It’s just strange that some go to live, while others - to be overwhelmed with material help, fed and kept until the end of their days. And, most interestingly, they do not need citizenship. Do not want. They want to be refugees so that everything is free.

    people are divided into those who eat to live, and those who live to eat.
    but about the third category described by the author, there aren’t even words ... some drooling with obscenities and fingers into fists
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 4 September 2014 09: 46
      +3
      Quote: andrei332809
      ... people are divided into those who eat to live, and those who live to eat ...

      Is this about people? - these are animals, with one chewing gyrus in the head.
      1. Telakh
        Telakh 4 September 2014 10: 00
        +9
        There was such a term - twice a Jew of the Soviet Union.
        Now, apparently, a crest will appear twice.
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 4 September 2014 10: 30
          +4
          Quote: Telakh
          There was such a term

          There was another term - Hemorrhoids of the Soviet Union. Here are the "orphans" from the third and, in part, the second category of these very ones.
      2. 41 REGION
        41 REGION 4 September 2014 10: 20
        +8
        Quote: Boris55

        Is this about people? - these are animals, with one chewing gyrus in the head.

        No need to offend animals, they are more honest than some people hi
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 4 September 2014 17: 17
          0
          Quote: 41 REGION
          No need to offend animals, they are more honest than some people

          At our local animal forum "Let's help with what we can" the girl asked for help - she came from Ukraine with her dogs and cats
        2. 97110
          97110 4 September 2014 17: 44
          +1
          Quote: 41 REGION
          No need to offend animals, they are more honest than some people

          Well here is my Filka (shepherd + like). Yesterday I nibbled on a cow's head. Today, porridge on the broth from the head. He will not be. The whole view. With a demonstration of rejection of a bad attitude. The wife was indignant - ate, licked, waved her tail.
          It takes discipline, and that takes authority. Do you know that any inventor of perpetual motion can write to the President of the Russian Federation. And the official (well, who is at the trough - you understand) receives a letter stating that "... we are considering an appeal of such and such. Sort it out by yesterday! And report!. And along the entire path of this epistle, no one will ask a question - is this order or not quite order? What is required from the "sitting at the trough"? Answer so that everyone is satisfied. In such conditions, the scope for arrogant, shameless people is extraordinary. And for the citizens of Ukraine as well. And described by the author the family may well complain after his influence up to “Sportloto.” And it’s not a fact that the head physician will get away with it. Give the authority to discipline the impudent “refugees” we do not like. Official, and a figure is for the people not just unloved - hated. Therefore - it is necessary to endure.
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 4 September 2014 10: 42
        +4
        Quote: Boris55
        Is this about people? - these are animals, with one chewing gyrus in the head.

        Not... No. , not in the head. I agree that the gyrus is one, but it is lower than the lower back.
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  6. ParapaPanda
    ParapaPanda 4 September 2014 09: 42
    +48
    The girl works as an HR in one of the major providers of St. Petersburg. Until recently, they did not hire people from the ruins, under the pretext of hemorrhoids with documents. I inspired her for a long time that it was necessary, that they would be the most stubborn workers, because for them, work is all that is, he took a girl from Lugansk to the department and was not deceived. But then a polar beast happened! A citizen from Donetsk ruins came for an interview and says: I hate your rashka, I will not receive refugee status! I need work only to sit out the war! Comrades, this is how you need to point to the station.
    1. Homo
      Homo 4 September 2014 11: 41
      +8
      Quote: ParapaPanda
      The girl works as an HR in one of the major providers of St. Petersburg. Until recently, they did not hire people from the ruins, under the pretext of hemorrhoids with documents. I inspired her for a long time that it was necessary, that they would be the most stubborn workers, because for them, work is all that is, he took a girl from Lugansk to the department and was not deceived. But then a polar beast happened! A citizen from Donetsk ruins came for an interview and says: I hate your rashka, I will not receive refugee status! I need work only to sit out the war! Comrades, this is how you need to point to the station.

      Everything is correct. Just explain to me to a Russian person, you, a Russian person (who writes for Russian people), what is “working as an HR”? And judging by the text, you are a leader who shouldn't write "The girl works as an HR-ohm in one of the major providers of St. Petersburg." It's like someone who doesn't fit with the rules of the Russian language.
      1. SPAAARTAAA
        SPAAARTAAA 4 September 2014 20: 24
        +5
        Probably meant by HR "personnel department", from the English. hire - hiring. Although I also do not understand the meaning of replacing the Russian word with a foreign one unnecessarily. Maybe he adds chic, I don't know.
    2. 97110
      97110 4 September 2014 17: 49
      0
      Quote: ParapaPanda
      Comrades, this is how you need to point to the station

      Well, continue THOUGHT. Who will point to the train station? Who will solve the difficult issue? HERE - an official, by definition - a bribe-taker sitting at the feeding trough. You offer him a feeding trough to kill and move closer. PEOPLE AGAINST!
    3. uwzek
      uwzek 5 September 2014 06: 56
      -1
      You, comrade, your comment somewhere on the censor. Ukrainians in the capital of theirs also do not want to take refugees to work and try to point to the station. Why are you afraid that they’ll mix you with yogurt? What residents are the same in our capitals: to pile in a corner - you are always welcome, and somebody else to rake the feces.
      Refugee and immigrant are different categories however. Someone came to live with us (which the maydaunas together sought), and someone stayed and returned back. And what does employment have to do with it, are you our manager?
  7. made13
    made13 4 September 2014 09: 42
    +21
    Good article, correct. Many people are joining Russian life, but there are also people who are becoming sick — they have swept the country, and they act as if they are Americans — I am a citizen of America — you owe me, you Papuan!
    1. kostik1301
      kostik1301 4 September 2014 11: 31
      +12
      The worst thing is that this has become a trend across Russia that the poor people of Ukraine are offended - forgetting that THEY are the highest race, put the minuses but in Moscow and Moscow I’m tired of looking at it ..... Although there are still enough good people ...... .
      1. Astrey
        Astrey 4 September 2014 12: 04
        +10
        Quote: kostik1301
        Although there are still enough good people ...


        Unlike a boor, a normal person does not jump out with his self, and does not bulge out, that's how good I am. Therefore, it is imperceptible. Therefore, it is not they who do the weather in relations in society.
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  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 September 2014 09: 45
    +31
    I agree to all 100. Article plus. To evict such throat-grabers "by registration" without talking.
    To accept refugees - only from New Russia. Do not forget anything. And in a year, and in two, come, and deal personally. We still lack a wave of saboteurs and saboteurs.
    1. uwzek
      uwzek 5 September 2014 07: 13
      0
      About saboteurs and saboteurs it is true, but how do you dream of revealing them. They certainly will not grab one's throat, but they will very law-abidingly work and praise Russia. And they will need a residence permit (only local archives will burn during bombing). Several million will resettle them throughout the country, and who will come to them? The policeman or what?
  10. Irkit
    Irkit 4 September 2014 09: 45
    +8
    In England, the same canoe, many come, make allowances receive huts almost for nothing, and hack sometimes. Bullshit and not people.
  11. vorobey
    vorobey 4 September 2014 09: 46
    +33
    Roma good day ... here we are already closer to deal with such began. and more often ..

    guys, I propose the following anyway a large resource and a lot of not only participants but also just visitors. Let's lay out the addresses of people who really need help. The whole country is here. an extra thousand and two does not happen but nonetheless. trust me to return more .. not material .. in my heart. there are families where the ass is really full ... people just don’t even know where and whom to turn to or they just prick in the administration or employers ...

    so at least the whole world on a thread ... they don’t need much and don’t ask ... to help them a little bit, push them and then they themselves .. I think that knowing the addresses to go through the regions 30-40 km, I’ll take the necessary things and support them in word or deed labor.

    Krasnodar ay. do you hear we are cubanoids, of course, shitty little asshole, but that was never a scumbag. if I post several addresses tomorrow .. I just don’t remember, I know visually the memory and there are no house numbers. This is mainly a village, abandoned houses in which 2-3 families with children huddle ... and not because he is tired or sorry for the funds .. no, the guys just happen to be so short ..
    1. 341712
      341712 4 September 2014 10: 10
      +15
      We are engaged in metalworking. The problem with professional personnel: welders, machine tools (turners, milling machines). Only to go far - Nizhny Tagil ..
      My direct + 7912296266 one
      To the moderators, there is already a demand for the service.
    2. s.cot
      s.cot 4 September 2014 10: 13
      +4
      On Politicus, there seems to be a link (I have not been banned there for a long time) Donbasscentr. There are announcements of refugees, some with work, some with housing, some with documents asking for help.
    3. Kazakh
      Kazakh 4 September 2014 11: 15
      +5
      Lyubo Altai will also help if anyone wants to
    4. Russian soldier
      Russian soldier 4 September 2014 11: 40
      +5
      Well done, Sparrow !!! hi
      You think correctly, we all need to unite.
  12. aleks_29296
    aleks_29296 4 September 2014 09: 48
    +17
    I already wrote once that people who had gulped grief, who had lost everything, who were under the bombing, people who had nothing to eat and drink, they won’t pound superfluous show-offs. Such people will be happy with a peaceful sky, a shelter over their heads, and a crust of bread. Yes, only scum who came to wait and rest for free, create a negative for all refugees.
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 4 September 2014 11: 55
      +8
      Quote: aleks_29296
      Yes, only scum who came to wait and relax for free, create a negative for everyone

      a black sheep spoils an entire herd (Russian proverb)
  13. KazakPatrol
    KazakPatrol 4 September 2014 09: 50
    +16
    Yes, no one is against helping refugees, just the state should reasonably approach the provision of this very assistance, so to speak, not at the expense of the Russians. By the way, the attitude towards them will be different. Well, what about the Russians and what to think if, for example, the children of Russians don’t get to the higher education institutions on the budget because the places were given to children from Ukraine, and they did without exams at all. And our children now feel worse at the same time. Well, should there be a measure?
    1. skylare
      skylare 4 September 2014 11: 43
      +13
      I totally agree. When you stand in a queue for housing and you are pushed almost twenty places back, under the pretext that refugees have arrived and they need to be given everything urgently and out of turn, the attitude changes so slightly, and by no means for the better. In the kindergarten for children with intellectual disabilities, long-decorated beds are not given out due to the emergency arrival of refugees. When will our state stop solving the problems of residents of neighboring states at the expense of its own citizens? In my opinion, this is a rhetorical question. Or another case: Madame from Ukraine came to our passport office and demanded that she give her a separate apartment for living, and as a justification she presented a certificate that she was sick with household syphilis. So poor girls, after she left, the door handles and stationery were wiped with alcohol and means. As they say, both laughter and sin.
  14. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 4 September 2014 09: 54
    +7
    Yes, in Crimea there were plenty of refugees from the 3rd category, the son told.
  15. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 4 September 2014 09: 58
    +5
    The author is 100% right.
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 September 2014 10: 06
    +5
    In reality, accepting and giving refugee status only to people from New Russia. The rest on a common basis, like Tajik-Uzbeks. And also through an interview with the authorities. Well, or education team.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 4 September 2014 12: 57
      +22
      Quote: Zomanus
      In reality, accepting and giving refugee status only to people from New Russia. The rest on a common basis, like Tajik-Uzbeks.


      what I know a sufficient number of people from Kiev who lost their hands due to the total information flow of guan, anger and hatred of the environment, including discord in the family (it is such a civil war), hysteria in society, who abandoned everything, took the family in hand and went to Russia. Some left in expensive cars, while all the materials they had left in Kiev. Someone decided to leave for good, someone thinks to return when everything "calms down". There are acquaintances who actually fled from arrest, or even something worse.
      Should I give refugee status to those who apply for it?
      I think it is necessary to consider each case separately.
      Of course, they are no match for those who came to Russia from bombed cities and villages.
      Are there any creatures among the "come in large numbers" who decided to cash in?
      Of course there is, and, unfortunately, there are not hundreds or even thousands of them - this is our modern society.
      The problem is that more than 1 000 000 people have crossed the border and people continue to leave. Those services that are doing this regularly are simply physically unable to cope with so many people.
      To demand that all "citizens of Ukraine" be divided into "pros and cons", and that men from 18 to 60 take up arms?
      Many just flee from trouble and save their families (here in Kiev there really aren’t enough people to fight and this is in the 3 000 000 city No., the fight is not up to everyone), this is why the army of Novorossiya 30 people + "rear services", although the population of the DPR and LPR is not small.
      Personally, I am ashamed to be disgusted to read about the "bad behavior" of those who fled from Ukraine. At the same time, reading even here on the "Voennoye Obozreniye" that all the "citizens of Ukraine": cunning parasites, maydanuts, Nazis, salo-eaters and so on. etc. --- I fall into prostration.
      It so happened that what we all read and discussed together on "VO" a year ago - events in Syria, Libya, Iraq came to our house, and already on our land cities are bombed and tent camps for refugees are set up at the borders.
      How will each of us relate to this?
      How do we handle this?
      Well, we'll see.

      Special thanks to Roman both for the work that he is doing and for the balanced position, useful and necessary article, which I fully subscribe to.

      CAPACITIES: sorry for the confusion, while I wrote half a pack I smoked, but I could not express what I wanted.
      something like that.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 4 September 2014 13: 05
        +15
        Quote: Karlsonn
        CAPACITIES: sorry for the confusion, while I wrote half a pack I smoked, but I didn’t succeed in expressing what I wanted. Somehow.


        Don’t tear your heart ... we understand .. hi
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 4 September 2014 22: 42
        0
        Quote: Karlsonn
        At the same time, reading even here on "Voennoye Obozreniye" that all the "citizens of Ukraine": sly freeloaders, maydanuts, Nazis, salo-eaters and so on. etc.

        Lyosha, after all, here all people are different, only the same paper clips in the box.
        Quote: Karlsonn
        How will each of us relate to this?

        Shitty will be, shitty. Mouthless mutual jokes and tricks suddenly turned into fierce hatred, it's really scary. recourse
  17. Vend
    Vend 4 September 2014 10: 09
    +3
    And fortunately, there are many such people. They are simply invisible, since they do not crawl under the cameras and are reluctant to give interviews.

    True, it is said, but the problem is that conclusions are drawn from the arrogant Ukrainians. Ukrainians abroad speak only Russian, well, they behave like pigs, not all, but many. And the conclusion is that the Russians are uncultured. I’m wondering why refugees do not check on the border or not. If you are welcome from the war zone, and if from calm Poltava or Lviv, then you need to thoroughly check.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 4 September 2014 15: 01
      +3
      Quote: Wend
      I’m wondering why refugees do not check on the border or not.


      How to physically test hundreds of thousands of people?

      Quote: Wend
      If you are welcome from the war zone, and if from calm Poltava or Lviv, then you need to thoroughly check.


      In fact, an acquaintance took his family out and fled from custody, how will he prove it?

      I do not argue that it is necessary to check, it is simply necessary because under the guise of refugees attempts are made to drop the Nazis, but this is awesome is not an easy task.

      off-top:

      something I laugh strongly:

      4 September. The Primorsky District Court of Odessa arrested on charges of desertion the commander of the Prykarpattya battalion, Vitaly Komar, who left the combat zone in Donbass. This was reported to reporters in the military prosecutor's office of the southern region.
      The mosquito was detained for two months.
      At the end of August, about 400 soldiers of the Prykarpattya battalion voluntarily left the combat zone near the town of Ilovaisk, where fierce battles with the militias of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) were taking place. Armed soldiers and officers on buses and military equipment went home to Ivano-Frankivsk region.
      In the Kirovograd region they tried to stop and disarm. The commander of the ground forces of Ukraine, Anatoly Pushnyakov, arrived there for negotiations. However, the military refused to surrender their weapons and continued on their way.
      After the battalion arrived in the Ivano-Frankivsk region, the command called Vitaly Komar to Odessa, where he was detained by military prosecutors. A criminal case was instituted against him for evading military service and disobeying command. The battalion faces up to 10 years in prison.
      Komar, whose words are quoted by the media, claims that the authorities are trying to shift responsibility on him for the failures of the army command during the hostilities in the Donbass.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 4 September 2014 22: 44
        0
        Quote: Karlsonn
        After the battalion arrived in the Ivano-Frankivsk region, the command called Vitaly Komar to Odessa, where he was detained by military prosecutors.

        But I wonder if hell was not detained in Ivano-Frankivsk? wink
        1. AVIATOR36662
          AVIATOR36662 5 September 2014 01: 51
          0
          It’s just that not every garrison has a military prosecutor’s office. Or the higher headquarters of this ter / baht is located in Odessa.
  18. kay4yk
    kay4yk 4 September 2014 10: 09
    -9
    VO-icteric site. article minus. soon articles of the whole rabble will be spread here, continuing to marginalize users
    1. 341712
      341712 4 September 2014 10: 14
      +7
      Have you smoked a cigarette, son?
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 4 September 2014 10: 16
      +10
      Quote: kay4yk
      VO- icteric site


      Go to ... Facebook


      Quote: kay4yk
      soon articles of the whole rabble will be spread here


      Although the Banshee punished me at the time, he did it rightly and he is far from rabble, unlike you. He was able to do what you just shout about - you need help, you need help


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      Quote: kay4yk
      continuing to marginalize users


      Alas, dear sir, the task is just the opposite, so that marginalized people like you are a little sober up and brought into society.
    3. major071
      major071 4 September 2014 10: 22
      +18
      kay4yk
      VO-icteric site. article minus. soon articles of the whole rabble will be spread here, continuing to marginalize users

      I think you made a mistake with the site. To you on the censor. There certainly is no rabble - some worthy people.
    4. 41 REGION
      41 REGION 4 September 2014 10: 26
      +5
      Quote: kay4yk
      VO-icteric site. article minus. soon articles of the whole rabble will be spread here, continuing to marginalize users

      Then forward to the censor yes
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 4 September 2014 10: 53
        +4
        Yes, the censor is a "pestnya" except for rudeness and "fat heroes" there is really nothing - in general, there is no way to try to talk about argumentation, because the most lethal "argument" there is this video filmed on a mobile, it is not clear who and where (the voice-over is of course "not refutable "). And rudeness .. boundless and hopeless.
  19. captain
    captain 4 September 2014 10: 14
    +7
    Refugees need to be taken only from the anti-terrorist operation zone. And so it is possible to move all of Western Ukraine to us or villains from Central.
  20. special
    special 4 September 2014 10: 22
    +3
    Quote: Telakh
    There was such a term - twice a Jew of the Soviet Union.
    Now, apparently, a crest will appear twice.

    There was another good term - filtration camps ... Why not filter in TAC?
    The article is huge +!
  21. Serge56
    Serge56 4 September 2014 10: 26
    +1
    I really wanted to get refugee status. Can anyone help a Muscovite? Well this is such a laf - to receive in a day 900 rubles, lying on the couch in the allocated living space and smoking, watching TV on the Petrosyan show.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 4 September 2014 10: 34
      +13
      Quote: Serge56
      I really wanted to get refugee status. Can anyone help a Muscovite? Well this is such a laf - to receive in a day 900 rubles, lying on the couch in the allocated living space and smoking, watching TV on the Petrosyan show.


      Hey, Muscovite, refugee status still needs to be obtained. basically made out there in camps on the border ... and when did they create these camps?

      And what about those who still exported children from Mariupol and Slavyansk ...

      Come to us stanitsa Staromyshastovskaya st. I don’t remember the Red Navy house, but look how a grandmother with 7 children in a dilapidated two-room hut on the earthen floors lies in front of the TV ... Parents of children are only now pulling up from Lugansk one at a time and then not everyone ... someone stayed there ..

      Sorry, but the Muscovites really ruined the housing issue in Bulgakovsky.
      1. doxtop
        doxtop 4 September 2014 10: 38
        +7
        Quote: vorobey

        Sorry, but the Muscovites really ruined the housing issue in Bulgakovsky.
        \
        ))))))) Yes, in Moscow there is only real Muscovites ... you can count on the fingers! Of the 15 million ... well, if a couple of lyamov typed :)
  22. Boxwood
    Boxwood 4 September 2014 10: 29
    +9
    Quote: ParapaPanda
    A citizen from Donetsk ruins came for an interview and says: I hate your rashka, I will not receive refugee status! I need work only to sit out the war! Comrades, this is how you need to point to the station.

    it is NOT necessary to point to the station like this, but to give the desired acceleration and direction with a kick ...
  23. beefrost
    beefrost 4 September 2014 10: 33
    +19
    I completely agree with the author, another worthy article. In Crimea, the same thing. Mostly Donetsk ghouls alone. On the roads they behave like savages, it became impossible to ride. I confirm that 80% of refugees in Kruzak and Murzik and so on. To be honest, the guys and I are slowly starting to weaken them for the greyhound. To whom we will decorate the face, to whom BMW .... Ocherhevshie creatures. They were accepted, and they behave like scum (well, as they used to, like in the usual way). And the funniest thing is that they do not understand why they are being beaten)).

    And I also like that they settle under the guise of resting and run and get refugee status and all the same, you will not expel them, and the state will pay you 200 rubles per person per day. In general, as follows: if they had behaved modestly and looked for work, they would have received more compassion and help from people. But they were under Nakhal (rattle whit in the zone) Crimea pressed, they traded land, they took away business .. they got used to it shorter ... they act out of habit, but then they started to beat a mug.))) Assss !! oh already balm for the soul from the fact that all this is expressed.
    1. Crimea-nyash
      Crimea-nyash 4 September 2014 13: 11
      +4
      I can confirm 100% .. the third category has already bled. we started just to set fire to their cars ...
  24. doxtop
    doxtop 4 September 2014 10: 35
    +4
    I remember ... when I was after the collapse of the Soviet Union, many families reached out to Europe. So, in Germany, for such visitors, their own "filtration camps" were created. People have lived there for more than one year ... managed to somehow live on a penny, learn German, and then even for some, but get a job!
    Why not create the same conditions for Garny Krajintsy !? They will really want to stay ... and learn to "talk", and get a "real" job. The rest ... drive them back!
  25. Saninstructor
    Saninstructor 4 September 2014 10: 40
    +9
    A neighbor works in an employment center: Gentlemen, refugees from Ukraine refuse vacancies with a salary below 60 TR, require the employer to rent a house (1 room apartment, we have at least 30 TR per month)
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 4 September 2014 10: 52
      +8
      Quote: Saninstruktor
      Lord refugees from Ukraine refuse vacancies with salaries below 60 tr

      you have cool h.oh.ly! we have only 40t.r. require ... request
      1. 41 REGION
        41 REGION 4 September 2014 11: 04
        +3
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Saninstruktor
        Lord refugees from Ukraine refuse vacancies with salaries below 60 tr

        you have cool h.oh.ly! we have only 40t.r. require ... request

        The first ones reached us only yesterday, I can’t even guess what amount they will voice? request but most seem to be adequate, we will help hi
      2. Saninstructor
        Saninstructor 4 September 2014 11: 06
        +7
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Saninstruktor
        Lord refugees from Ukraine refuse vacancies with salaries below 60 tr

        you have cool h.oh.ly! we have only 40t.r. require ... request

        Ha .. I, having lived half my life on the Yamal Peninsula, having 8 Poles, get 50-52 tr (OAO Gazprom)
  26. reality
    reality 4 September 2014 10: 41
    +20
    Yeah, we have in Almaty, they say also several hundred families came and settled in the Kalkaman microdistrict (this is a kind of lumpen suburb, but the houses are new, and in the future it will become more expensive). In short, the local ones do not mind, but they are only surprised why refugees from the Donbass are almost entirely qigans and Mercedes)))
  27. mamont5
    mamont5 4 September 2014 11: 04
    +3
    "Second. There are fewer of these, but they are more noticeable - with their groaning and sobbing about how bad they are and how they are being treated unfairly. These are just those who believe that Russia simply owes them all, because they were forced to come here. "

    Indeed, these are more noticeable. Then, they mainly judge Ukrainian refugees.
  28. Lukich
    Lukich 4 September 2014 11: 06
    +7
    In our opinion, give everyone according to his deeds. And look, look at everyone with eyes and mind. And render! To whom - to give an open helping hand and “welcome, brother,” to whom - pointing finger and “suitcase, train station, Ukraine”.

    absolutely right!. and in general the whole article is written very correctly. big author +
  29. PATTIY
    PATTIY 4 September 2014 11: 12
    0
    nobody is going to contain these refugees. Soon, everything will settle down and go home to their New Russia. The USSR is no more, which means no one will feed them for nothing.
    1. van50man
      van50man 4 September 2014 12: 14
      +8
      Alas, we will be not only refugees ... It is more important for politicians to create an image of a benefactor, and it does not matter at whose expense! ,, We’ll have to figure it out on our own (or even completely rebuild the ruin of the southeast of Ukraine with our own hands and at the expense of the Russian budget), while the third type of refugees will watch with a smirk and wait for the moment again ,,. Do not believe your eyes - believe the experience and wisdom of generations, inner instincts and intuition, doing tough but fair!
  30. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 4 September 2014 11: 13
    +4
    People are different. It happens that even nonhumans.
    1. Akvadra
      Akvadra 4 September 2014 22: 22
      +2
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      People are different. It happens that even nonhumans.

      At the passport office, two rhino refugees of military age, screaming "they bombed us", tried to get through without a queue. One old woman stopped them with a simple question: "Where will you run further if they start bombing here?" You just need to ask them questions more often.
  31. anvlbor
    anvlbor 4 September 2014 11: 15
    +4
    I saw such people on the M4 Don highway, at Merci, etc. I don’t follow the rules, the oncoming road is the main road for them, not to mention the dipped beam, HAM!
  32. Signaller
    Signaller 4 September 2014 11: 15
    +3
    Got it, the question is asked, I think how to solve the thread. And everything in life comes to an end. Let's wait and see. And Temka is interesting, in my opinion, still "the first swallows".
  33. Tambov
    Tambov 4 September 2014 11: 18
    +6
    Skomorokhev Roman broke this time as ordered. Thanks from like-minded people!
  34. stranik72
    stranik72 4 September 2014 11: 19
    +9
    That's right, only we have a kind of state machine about help, so for reminder we have the status (to this day) of the Chechen and Armenian refugees, but have you and I heard about the status of a Russian refugee, and after all the Russians expelled almost all of their former republics The USSR, and Russia (Chechnya), too, and that, but nothing any help. As for refugees from Ukraine, minimal assistance, a roof over their heads, and human conditions for survival must be presented to everyone, but citizenship and real housing arrangements work, etc. only to those who really want this and are ready for this to plow with us.
  35. Naval
    Naval 4 September 2014 11: 25
    +5
    That's right, refugees must be approached selectively, otherwise we will launch such a fifth column into our country that the white-collar workers with the State Department will rejoice with happiness. Attempts and probing of the soil have already taken place in Kaliningrad and the Urals.
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    1. vorobey
      vorobey 4 September 2014 12: 01
      +7
      Quote: Maxim Tsapf
      WHAT RUSSIA DOES IN UKRAINE IS AN ATTINANCE AND TERRORISM


      brother ... to your censor ... there the insight of Pysanka has just been laid out ...

      By the way, she is silent about Russia for some reason ...
    2. nik6006
      nik6006 4 September 2014 12: 19
      +1
      you brains are completely poisoned
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    1. 41 REGION
      41 REGION 4 September 2014 11: 56
      +6
      Quote: Maxim Zapf
      Russia is a terrorist state. This state must be destroyed, and the nuclear and military potential must be confiscated. As well as minerals.

      Has the confiscator grown? take the rope and download, to Lyashko yes
    2. van50man
      van50man 4 September 2014 12: 19
      +3
      ... still, squeezed in, geek!
    3. volcano
      volcano 4 September 2014 12: 20
      +7
      Quote: Maxim Tsapf
      Russia is a terrorist state. This state must be destroyed, and the nuclear and military potential must be confiscated. As well as minerals.
      This is a very bad practice when barbarians sell oil and gas to normal people, and carry out terrorist attacks and wars against their customers with the money they earned.
      The civilized world should no longer put up with this. And in this matter there should not be double standards.
      Ukraine we have only two options. Or we defeat these orcs, or the best sons and daughters Russian scum will torture and kill, and we will bury them. The time has come to take up arms and end Russia.
      I know that to prove something to this bitch tribe, which is now raging in Russia, is useless. After the victory in the war, we will take all normal people to a new Ukraine, and we will send rabid dogs to Chechen and Chinese slavery for re-education. There is a place for these creatures.


      My friend, yes, Kashchenko is urgent for you ... although it probably won't help ... only "humane European eftanazia" in the end is Ukraine CE EUROPA ...
  38. Saninstructor
    Saninstructor 4 September 2014 11: 47
    +4
    And yet, the majority are unhappy people who are glad that they do not shoot over their heads. Having a house in Krasnodar region. settled a family of 6 people from the destroyed Lisichansk-adults have already found work, now the children have gone to school. Well, and the one who went to the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug to cut the dough for free was already met by YAMAL-IRI (Nenets Santa Claus) - it was snowing all day yesterday, today it's warm + 2 :-)
  39. Siberian
    Siberian 4 September 2014 11: 52
    +4
    It is necessary to know: the "men" - refugees will still be treated badly (with caution, condemnation explicit and implicit, but bad). Human psychology - you can't do anything about it. What does it have to do not only with us, but also in New Russia. No matter how it is explained: a bunch of children, a pacifist, etc. etc. Just bad.
    1. Underwood
      Underwood 4 September 2014 12: 56
      +2
      Quote: Siberian
      It is necessary to know: the "men" - refugees will still be treated badly (with an eye, condemnation explicit and implicit, but bad). Human psychology - you can't do anything about it.

      Yeah, with the heroes of Zegers or Remarque they obviously will not be compared ...
    2. limmor
      limmor 4 September 2014 21: 44
      +1
      I’ve recently phoned clients and got into a man who is fighting for the Oplchents (he comes from Donbass, but lives in Dnepropetrovsk, like me) and when I told him that I was from Donbass, he asked a very reasonable question - why am I not in the militia. To which he received a quite normal answer with which he agreed. When in a family of 2 children and money only the father brings 300 times you think about the war. Although the front line pulls. There is my homeland
  40. Russian soldier
    Russian soldier 4 September 2014 11: 52
    +5
    Thank you, Dear Roman, for a great article!
    As my other half said: "We will hiccup such refugees more than once."
    They will sit, not work, receive benefits, the war will end and you will expel their hell, although they shout that they do not need citizenship, and after the war they’ll go home.
  41. ma_shlomha
    ma_shlomha 4 September 2014 11: 54
    +5
    The Ukrainian diaspora in Russia is about 20 million. More than 5 million labor immigrants currently working in Russia from Ukraine and most of them from the west. I suppose that the majority of these migrants are 5 columns!

    What does the government think when accepting indiscriminately “refugees” from Ukraine waving white flags.
    Most of them, after all, do not want to compete with the Uzbek Tajiks - the money is not the same (I listened to radio reviews of employers from the Moscow region).
    Many of them believe that only because they moved to Russia, Russia owes them (and for free!) Everything - housing, medical care, feeding, etc. Soon there will be colds - where this 1 million migrants will go. In tents, people will not be able to, become embittered, again Russia will be to blame!

    How many healthy men among these migrants are shown on TV. Declare - save from war. We need peace, we want to work quietly at home, live with Zhinka and children. The houses are destroyed - we came to Russia while they shoot.
    I have not seen a single statement from them that they will go to win these rights to a quiet life with Zhinka and a child in the Donbass.
  42. Underwood
    Underwood 4 September 2014 11: 56
    +2
    The author painted other types, but some vague feeling does not leave me ... Somewhere I saw such ...
    Is Russo a tourist in Turkey? EGYpt?
    1. Free Island
      Free Island 6 September 2014 12: 00
      0
      and what, Russo tourist in Turkey Egypt apartments give out ahead of the Egyptians and Turks? :)) even as a crooked comparison .... no? Or is there Russo Turisto what are the benefits for children in a kindergarten-school-institute? or somehow the author writes not so much about swinish behavior as about the fact that there are too many "professional refugees" who scream and demand benefits?
  43. Listen grandfather
    Listen grandfather 4 September 2014 11: 59
    +1
    Maksimushka leave your phone I will explain to you who the terrorist is here
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    2. vorobey
      vorobey 4 September 2014 12: 03
      +1
      Quote: ListenDeda
      Maksimushka leave your phone I will explain to you who the terrorist is here


      Maksimushka is free ....
  44. parafoiler
    parafoiler 4 September 2014 12: 00
    +3
    The admission of the people to Russia from urkaina - strictly filtering everyone. Many people have a sinus bone ...
  45. Russian soldier
    Russian soldier 4 September 2014 12: 01
    +7
    Quote: Maxim Zapf UA Today, 11:45 am New
    Russia is a terrorist state.


    Who let this freak out here? angry
  46. mountain
    mountain 4 September 2014 12: 01
    +2
    [quote = Maxim Zapf] WHAT RUSSIA DOES IN UKRAINE IS AN ATTINANCE AND TERRORISM
    Go jump to you patriot it will come in handy in the winter.
  47. Antoshka
    Antoshka 4 September 2014 12: 01
    0
    Oh well, what I said! I subscribe to every word. And if someone wants to accuse me of bias, I say, refugees, I personally had to meet about a dozen people. One family from Lugansk lived at my house for two weeks while repairing their car. So I support the author 100%
  48. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 4 September 2014 12: 08
    +3
    Everything is correct in the article, we are very kind Russians, and such scoundrels are taking advantage of this, discrediting the real sufferers from Novorossia: while their children or other relatives slaughter the people of Donbass on the living, these are trying to make money on other people's troubles while yelling that everyone is obliged to them, etc. etc. etc.! And this is where our Migration Service is looking, since when have Cherkassk, Sumy and other right-bank regions become zones of military operations! Why haven't they dealt with these parasites yet and put them behind the "fence" that Yaytsenyukh will build! Yes, the people of Novorossi need to be treated with care, help them in everything and those who want to stay in Russia forever and those who want to return after the end of the Civil War, but there is a limit to everything: first, help them, and then give work and let them provide for themselves and their families , and those who, like those described by the correspondent, are simply expelled from Russia. We do not need parasites and provocateurs! Commercials soon and pravoseki priprutsya, although it seems they are already here, to identify and bring to justice New Russia!
  49. volcano
    volcano 4 September 2014 12: 16
    +7
    I will tell you one case.
    From an eyewitness to the events. happened in a nearby town.
    The refugees made their way to the north. And then one day in one of the taverns of the city ... mm ... N ... a group of Etih bEzhents was sitting ... sitting insolently and defiantly ... We are refugees ... you are Russians here ... do, and they kill us there .... you quilted jackets, and we are proud Cossacks and you are not a couple .... in general, people began to get turned on ... word for word ... fuck on the table ... In general, when these the degenerates jumped up and started yelling "Hto does not jump that mosk..l" Russian northern patience has run out .... These refugees were sold in such a way ... that they are still checking the work of the intensive care unit in the city hospital.
    These are the refugees. Insolent .... greyhounds .... and dismissive of the people who accepted them .... One word ... Khokh.ly.
    1. Victor777
      Victor777 5 September 2014 21: 53
      +1
      So these are not refugees, these are Bandera spies, did you hand them over to the police or do you have one boltology?
    2. Free Island
      Free Island 6 September 2014 11: 57
      0
      :))))) because there is a lot of mulberries to ride :))))) Yes, there are a lot of them, one aunt from Rostov wrote, her house is big, there are a lot of places, well, she decided to accept one family of refugees, change over ... in the evening they sat down at the table, drank a little, well, those refugees were worn out and away we go "You are Russian invaders, Putin is your condom, you are quilted jackets and are to blame for all your troubles .."))) grandma left them humanly until morning, and in the morning, suitcases outside the gate - walk free Ukraine))))
  50. Gypsy girl
    Gypsy girl 4 September 2014 12: 20
    +6
    This is not the first time I have heard that refugees are openly greyhound ... Not all, of course ...
    1. Sharapov
      Sharapov 5 September 2014 21: 45
      +2
      What nafig REFUGEES from Cherkasy ??????? They have the largest emergency in a month in Cherkasy - the explosion of moonshine still at grandmother Odarka. And so, everything is calm - they will jump and they will go to eat fat.