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The paper passport will be replaced by plastic

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The Federal Migration Service has published a description of a plastic card (electronic identity card), which in the near future could replace a Russian multi-page paper passport, reports RIA News.



A plastic passport can become the main identity card from January 1 2015.

"Identity card is a tangible information carrier with personal data of a citizen, including biometric personal data, as well as other information recorded on it in a visual (graphic and machine readable) form and in electronic form on an integrated microcircuit and has a size of 53,98X85,6 millimeters", - says the description of the document.

Its production is planned to be carried out according to a single sample for the entire territory of the Russian Federation. All data on it will be given in Russian. The certificate will be provided with means of protection against unauthorized changes and forgery from both the front and the reverse side.

Photo on the certificate is required only for persons older than 14-years. At the request of the citizen, the card may contain information about the TIN and the SNILS.
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  1. Rost_a
    Rost_a 3 September 2014 11: 08
    +9
    But what about the registration?
    1. Spitfire
      Spitfire 3 September 2014 11: 15
      +2
      This data, presumably, will be stored "in electronic form on an integrated microcircuit." It is more convenient, there will be no need to change the card when changing registration. It is unclear how it will be accessed and whether information will actually be stored on it, or whether the card will be an analogue of wireless access cards with an individual code, according to which data is received from a central server.
      1. nvv
        nvv 3 September 2014 11: 22
        +34
        Slowly moving to globalization. Then insert the chip. And we arrived. DO NOT YOU CAN EVEN WITNING A LETTER WITHOUT PERMISSION.
        1. insafufa
          insafufa 3 September 2014 11: 32
          +13
          here the chip wakes up, let's say they will read your data every time they pass through the turnstile to the airport at the railway stations and checkpoints on the roads, wherever you go, there will be all the info where and where there was skem. You can’t even wet the end without the knowledge of the FSB.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 11: 34
            +5
            who needs it, and so everyone will find out about you, through the same mobile phone, there American fools have already run into
          2. Nevsky_ZU
            Nevsky_ZU 3 September 2014 11: 34
            +8
            Quote: insafufa
            here the chip wakes up, let's say they will read your data every time they pass through the turnstile to the airport at the railway stations and checkpoints on the roads, wherever you go, there will be all the info where and where there was skem. You can’t even wet the end without the knowledge of the FSB.


            And you'll be hooked by the special services for minor administrative offenses. Or they will be "thrown" at you wassat using editing
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 11: 37
              -1
              you Putin does not sit under the bed?
              1. DMB-88
                DMB-88 3 September 2014 11: 46
                +7
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                you Putin does not sit under the bed?


                He is constantly sitting on our TV !!!!
                Made laugh! laughing
                1. insafufa
                  insafufa 3 September 2014 12: 40
                  +4
                  Quote: DMB-88
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  you Putin does not sit under the bed?


                  He is constantly sitting on our TV !!!!
                  Made laugh! laughing

                  And on the Internet and on the wall in the office
        2. Boris55
          Boris55 3 September 2014 11: 44
          +6
          Quote: nvv
          And we arrived. DO NOT YOU CAN EVEN WITNING A LETTER WITHOUT PERMISSION.

          Why not? And they will insert the chip there and for each exhaust money from your account will be automatically transferred to fight global warming laughing
        3. DMB-88
          DMB-88 3 September 2014 11: 52
          0
          Quote: nvv
          Then insert the chip. And we arrived. DO NOT YOU CAN EVEN WITNING A LETTER WITHOUT PERMISSION.


          I have a familiar "torpedo" gnawed out of the body, and you say, some kind of chip!)))) By the way, everything happens with us through the farting organ!))) 0 laughing
        4. Executer
          Executer 3 September 2014 11: 55
          +1
          They will chip right away in the hospital - to implant in the navel ... laughing
        5. Sanglier
          Sanglier 3 September 2014 12: 09
          0
          And right ... There is nothing to spoil the air!
        6. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 3 September 2014 12: 18
          -1
          and in electronic form on an integrated circuit


          Isn't that a chip?

          What the hell is it then? just like a pass or social. cards? Moldova is already 15 years old with such passports !!!!!!!!!!!!

          Do not be offended?
      2. DMB-88
        DMB-88 3 September 2014 11: 25
        +7
        Talk about chipization of the population has been going on for a long time.
        U; well, the authorities really want to track their subjects.
        As for the information on the chip, of course, databases will be hacked, etc.
        In addition, the replacement of passports, of course, will be carried out at the expense of the population. 500 rubles from the nose a good income to the treasury!
        1. nvv
          nvv 3 September 2014 11: 34
          +4
          Quote: DMB-88
          In addition, the replacement of passports, of course, will be carried out at the expense of the population. Publishing 500 from the nose is a good income for the treasury

          You are awesome Valera .. tongue And here is the second line, to the point.
          1. DMB-88
            DMB-88 3 September 2014 11: 37
            +1
            Hello Victor.
            For a good cause, it’s not a pity for money, only this government doesn’t feed the horse, they’ll spread it all the same !! wassat
            1. nvv
              nvv 3 September 2014 11: 42
              +1
              Quote: DMB-88
              only this government doesn’t feed the horse, they’ll spread it all the same !!

              These would be words to God in the ears.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 11: 36
          -2
          bases are already hacked and hacked, information about citizens is all the same, where is who and how much, excuse me, it’s impossible to plan otherwise
          1. DMB-88
            DMB-88 3 September 2014 11: 45
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Sorry, otherwise planning will not work


            Plan what ??????
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 11: 58
              -2
              watch Putin on TV
              1. DMB-88
                DMB-88 3 September 2014 12: 17
                +2
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                watch Putin on TV


                He’s standing at my pause, even our pussy is looking at him))))))))))
                Are you funny !!! wassat
      3. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 3 September 2014 11: 26
        +11
        In 2020, the function will be connected to this plastic: credit cards, salary, medical, insurance and other cards. Then, based on the achievements of either nano or simply in micron chip technologies, they will begin to implant in the body. I think it will be by the 2030-35 year. Draw your own conclusions.

      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 11: 30
        -1
        the main thing is that it would not work out like in Kazakhstan, when you need to present a lot of certificates to the identity card, including about "registration"
        1. viktorrymar
          viktorrymar 3 September 2014 12: 10
          +2
          the main thing is that it would not work out like in Kazakhstan, when you need to present a lot of certificates to the identity card, including about "registration"

          Now you don’t need to provide anything, everything is done according to the IIN - y, although of course it’s strange: at the post office, at the banks, at the cash registers there is immediately information about you. identity
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 12: 28
            -2
            only all one certificate is required, in any case, in 9, it was required although RNN was (and not TIN) and PSCs were
      5. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 3 September 2014 18: 02
        0
        Quote: Spitfire
        This data, presumably, will be stored "in electronic form on an integrated microcircuit." It is more convenient, there will be no need to change the card when changing registration. It is unclear how it will be accessed and whether information will actually be stored on it, or whether the card will be an analogue of wireless access cards with an individual code, according to which data is received from a central server.

        A very handy thing. We introduced such a year ago, and they were given reading devices for a computer. Now, instead of standing in queues in the civil service for any action that requires a personal signature on the forms, you can fill out the forms via the Internet and "sign" with an identity card (since it is biometric). And to fake an order of magnitude more difficult than usual. Progress.

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    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 3 September 2014 11: 28
      +2
      Quote: Rost_a
      But what about the registration?
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 3 September 2014 11: 29
      +8
      Yes, they would immediately implant a chip at birth with all the data into the head and correct them regularly via satellite. laughing Everything goes to that. Somehow nobody asks us.
    5. nvv
      nvv 3 September 2014 11: 50
      +1
      Quote: Rost_a
      But what about the registration?

      Lost his head through the hair does not cry.
  2. sever.56
    sever.56 3 September 2014 11: 08
    +13
    I don’t understand why the passport with the emblem of Russia is bad?
    1. Renat
      Renat 3 September 2014 11: 18
      +3
      It looks like a driver’s license. Easy to lose. In general, they figure it out.
      1. Hariva
        Hariva 3 September 2014 11: 29
        +9
        Quote: Renat
        In general, they figure it out.

        Do not worry. After the 3rd world birch bark letters will be distributed.
        1. Ayujak
          Ayujak 3 September 2014 13: 40
          0
          Well, you shikanuli. All these letters will be eaten right away. Moreover, everyone will look the same - overgrown and dirty in rags. So identification will not be needed.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 13: 41
            -2
            and there will be no birch bark
        2. explorer
          explorer 3 September 2014 13: 44
          +1
          The main thing is not a collar or a nose ring.
        3. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 3 September 2014 18: 11
          +1
          Quote: Hariva
          Quote: Renat
          In general, they figure it out.

          Do not worry. After the 3rd world birch bark letters will be distributed.

          Cast iron, on the neck, with a lead coating, the ear did not flash! wassat
  3. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 3 September 2014 11: 09
    +20
    hmm ... I don’t even know ... the society of total control also does not like what
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 3 September 2014 11: 20
      +7
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      hmm ... I don’t even know ... the society of total control also does not like what

      Then they will implant the chip at birth, with a bookmark, and there will be a cyborg and not a person ... they want to turn it off ...
      1. nvv
        nvv 3 September 2014 11: 27
        +4
        Laughing laughter and laughter, but it goes to this, and the article prepares.
      2. saag
        saag 3 September 2014 12: 06
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Then they will implant the chip at birth, with a bookmark, and there will be a cyborg and not a person ... they want to turn it off.


        Do not worry, I will always have custom firmware :-)
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 11: 31
      -2
      But what is the total control?
      1. nvv
        nvv 3 September 2014 12: 00
        +5
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        But what is the total control?

        Plastic card, this is the first stage. The second is chipization. There will be your name, your passbook. Wars will disappear immediately. Turned off the chip and no problem.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 12: 05
          -6
          read less science fiction and disable net, otherwise you are being watched by KAGeBe
          1. nvv
            nvv 3 September 2014 12: 10
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            read less science fiction and disable net, otherwise you are being watched by KAGeBe

            Yes !!! My Marshal! soldier Allow me to take my leave? Vladimir, look what understanding of a question. Fiction!
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 12: 45
              -1
              are you still online ?!
              Now Putin will come out of the monitor and suck your brain
              1. nvv
                nvv 3 September 2014 13: 04
                +2
                Ay-ah-ah, Vladimir. The name of your president must be capitalized. hi
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 13: 09
                  -3
                  are you still here
                  1. DMB-88
                    DMB-88 3 September 2014 13: 22
                    +1
                    it's not WE!))))
                    If you do not have paranoia, then this does not mean that you are not being watched!
                  2. nvv
                    nvv 3 September 2014 13: 41
                    +2
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    are you still here

                    Yes, here I am, here. Instead of indulging in pictures, you would indulge in self-education. And the pictures are yesterday. KNOWLEDGE-POWER!
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 13: 46
                      -3
                      have you sucked together with your brain and politeness ?!
                      I don’t remember what we would drink at the Brudershaft
                      1. nvv
                        nvv 3 September 2014 14: 05
                        +2
                        Vasilenko, I'm with all my fellow soldiers on you. Do not like it? Put me on the blacklist and the problems are resolved. Sorry if I offended you. hiI've never put a minus on you, but only one plus.
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 14: 10
                        -1
                        well okay even though you are not polite drinks be healthy
                      3. nvv
                        nvv 3 September 2014 14: 11
                        +1
                        Late drinks .....
                      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 14: 13
                        -2
                        where?
                        or is it all, the brain of that?
                      5. nvv
                        nvv 3 September 2014 14: 27
                        +2
                        What a mischievous you are. It’s too late to come across you! laughing
                      6. DMB-88
                        DMB-88 3 September 2014 14: 40
                        +1
                        Are you thumping? and without me?!
                        Well, Victor, did not expect !!! request laughing
                      7. nvv
                        nvv 3 September 2014 15: 12
                        -1
                        Valera, you know me, there are no democrats, only tea! laughing
                      8. DMB-88
                        DMB-88 3 September 2014 15: 17
                        +1
                        Why are you brandishing glasses? fellow
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 3 September 2014 12: 39
          -1
          Well then, make yourself an additional card of some Deutsche Bank and then you can be disconnected only by agreement between the GDP and Merkel. So to speak, cross defend yourself.

          But seriously, I think that no chips will be "implanted". Firstly, you can track your movements right now, since train and plane tickets are only based on your passport, I think the same will happen on buses. Secondly, chips can also be flashed, like passports to be forged, and this is even easier for a modern hacker. Thirdly, it is possible to hide your movement on foot or by personal transport even if there are reading terminals everywhere, you can simply shield the "chip". The only definite plus of the implanted chip is that you won't lose it. And then I lost my passport three times, once a year and a half passed with a certificate, and once I found it "in hot pursuit." So don't worry about it. A person will always find an opportunity to cheat the state if he needs it.
  4. Grabberxnumx
    Grabberxnumx 3 September 2014 11: 09
    -5
    My opinion is that such Ausweis is more practical ..
    1. mad
      mad 3 September 2014 11: 17
      -1
      I agree, I will change it as soon as possible to my rumpled paper passport that does not fit into most pockets.
    2. DMB-88
      DMB-88 3 September 2014 11: 38
      0
      Quote: Grabber2000
      My opinion is that such Ausweis is more practical ..


      Exactly "ausweiss"
      1. Grabberxnumx
        Grabberxnumx 3 September 2014 15: 07
        -1
        To tell the truth, the identity document in Germany is called "Personalausweis". Fits in a wallet in size - like 2 bank cards. Convenient to carry. There, by the way, no address or registration is indicated. His protection is even better than money, it is virtually impossible to counterfeit. It is issued not by the police, but by municipal authorities.
        For your information: In Germany, registration at the place of residence is MANDATORY, but it also takes place not in the police, but like our district councils. takes 10 to 20 minutes (including queue). Then you are in the database of residents and it costs nothing to break through the police address. If you mischief, they will hit you on the base and the fine will come home in an envelope, but if you lied about your first or last name, then this is a "criminal offense".
  5. inkass_98
    inkass_98 3 September 2014 11: 09
    0
    Well, let's see. Just need to change your passport next year ...
  6. volot-voin
    volot-voin 3 September 2014 11: 11
    +2
    There are pros and cons. Progress can not be stopped, the main thing is that the West with its information, payment and not very systems would not fit. Every state, even the most democratic, strives for total control.
  7. Magic archer
    Magic archer 3 September 2014 11: 12
    +14
    all the same, it’s harder to fake a paper passport! Why use this plastic? I read about the fact that in the USA very often they break databases containing for example data on driver’s licenses, etc. As a result, there are copies and fakes! And there’s someone who’s hackers and specialists in Russia -Mother always had enough ...
  8. BIP PS FSB RF
    BIP PS FSB RF 3 September 2014 11: 12
    -1
    My satisfied, give two! I’ll put one in my wallet and leave the other at home, just in case. smile
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 3 September 2014 11: 16
      +3
      Quote: BIP PS FSB RF
      My satisfied, give two! I’ll put one in my wallet and leave the other at home, just in case.

      I think that both documents will be in circulation for a long time. The main thing is to make it possible to disable the "take out a loan" function, then there will be much less opportunities to cheat.
  9. extra
    extra 3 September 2014 11: 12
    +1
    But what about magnetic tape with a chip? Forgot?)))
  10. Same lech
    Same lech 3 September 2014 11: 13
    +7
    One problem ... that the data from this passport can fall into the hands of scammers through a bribe to an official .... and then citizens don’t be surprised when they tell you that you took a million-dollar loan hehe in ALFA BANK.
    1. annodomene
      annodomene 3 September 2014 11: 18
      +2
      Add a digital signature or analogue (only more complex) PIN - code, IMHO
    2. BIP PS FSB RF
      BIP PS FSB RF 3 September 2014 11: 19
      -2
      All your data is already in the FMS database, and you have a piece of paper in your hands that can stick out after the first rain. A plastic card is simply more practical, and if data is read from it through a PIN code, it is also more secure. Now you can pick up loans for a stolen passport - don’t worry, mom! Some boobies give loans even by photocopying and then quickly leave the banks.
    3. Sanglier
      Sanglier 3 September 2014 12: 14
      +1
      Why did Alfa-Bank not please you? But in general ... can we go back to the roots and determine the personality by smell? It doesn't smell like that - not from our pack!
  11. MIV999
    MIV999 3 September 2014 11: 14
    +10
    Sorry, but I am a conservative in this regard ... And the prospect that all my data will be entered in plastic, a little more than a business card that I can lose corny, accidentally throw away, etc. completely does not appeal to me.
    1. Sanglier
      Sanglier 3 September 2014 12: 15
      +1
      And wash your passport corny! If distracted attention, then nothing will save.
  12. Ignatius
    Ignatius 3 September 2014 11: 21
    +6
    One more important aspect to remember is that, along with an integrated microcircuit, a microchip will certainly be introduced into the card, by which you can always determine the location of a citizen. So Big Brother will always be with you, even if you do not use a mobile phone.
    1. BIP PS FSB RF
      BIP PS FSB RF 3 September 2014 11: 23
      -11
      A law-abiding citizen is not afraid. wink
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 3 September 2014 11: 30
        +7
        And to me stlashnooooo ....
        Suddenly, my beloved state will want to block my accounts for my long language, or erase me from the database ..... I clicked a button on the Moscow server and I have never been.


        In the United States, this is very noticeable ... the person there is like a bit in the program code ... went where it is not necessary and immediately becomes an enemy of the state.
        1. BIP PS FSB RF
          BIP PS FSB RF 3 September 2014 11: 42
          -2
          Rave. Your accounts on the appropriate cards. The data is all in the FMS computer database, and this is just a storage medium, more practical and convenient.
          And about the establishment of location - they can establish the location not of yours, but of your passport, this time. Two - this is hardly possible, since it does not radiate or transmit anything like the same cell phone. And three - judging by your reasoning, everyone has been looking after us for a long time, because everyone has a bank plastic card in which all this has long been implemented.
          And lastly - BREATHE! wink
        2. saag
          saag 3 September 2014 12: 09
          -2
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Suddenly, my beloved state will want to block my accounts for my long language, or erase me from the database ..... I clicked a button on the Moscow server and I have never been.

          You already exist on the Moscow server and for a long time, nothing will change much from the appearance of plastic, the details of the new document’s details will change
        3. Grabberxnumx
          Grabberxnumx 3 September 2014 15: 10
          0
          You naively think that they gave you a little book and the state forgot about you - don’t tell!
          Everything has long been there and data for everyone - from birth about death in the state’s bases. About registration and registration is the same. The little book confirms that you are a citizen and the data and stuff are still stored on the servers. In addition, EVERYONE who received a passport has a file with the FSB or other local competent authorities.
      2. Sanglier
        Sanglier 3 September 2014 12: 16
        0
        And where did you see this "law-abiding"?
        1. BIP PS FSB RF
          BIP PS FSB RF 3 September 2014 12: 24
          -4
          I don’t know about you, but I look at myself. wink
      3. BIP PS FSB RF
        BIP PS FSB RF 3 September 2014 13: 24
        -2
        Oh, how wonderful!
        And by cons, we keep a list of unreliable! After all, everything is recorded here! wassat
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  13. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx 3 September 2014 11: 21
    +8
    I am also a categorical opponent of such an idea.
  14. fridge
    fridge 3 September 2014 11: 22
    +6
    The most interesting thing is why the service life will be indicated 10 years. Vulnerable topic. I was returning home from the army. At the border, they said that the document at the border crossing was a mistake and go back. I went into a nearby part and asked to correct a mistake (it was dangerous to go to mine), so they didn’t refuse me, but the process dragged on for a long time due to lack of electricity, they had a typewriter. So imagine what could happen to this plastic if a similar case occurs.
    1. VICTOR-61
      VICTOR-61 3 September 2014 11: 37
      +4
      Sorry for the plus sign, the minus clicked accidentally; we need these plastic passports; there is nothing to be soon, but they spend money on different garbage
      1. Sanglier
        Sanglier 3 September 2014 12: 19
        +2
        Correctly!!! in the village, plant potatoes and feed the hog !!! Then no passport is needed at all.
  15. Lomicus
    Lomicus 3 September 2014 11: 24
    +5
    Officials mean the population is digitizing! And they themselves will not lead without a piece of paper with a signature and a seal, even an eyebrow. In the beginning, let them digitize themselves, otherwise tons of paper will go to the toilet, we decided to save on the population: a passport, electronic money. And going to the official, everything is as usual, a bunch of pieces of paper.
  16. mig31
    mig31 3 September 2014 11: 26
    +8
    It seems to me that paper should serve a person faithfully for a long time, and chipping can wipe the whole nation from the face of the Earth ...
  17. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 3 September 2014 11: 26
    -2
    The people, yes everything is fine with such an identity. As for the registration, so with such a certificate it is marked in an applied, folding paper, stamps are put in the same place that they say that he voted. Yes, the small size is not quite familiar, it is easy to pull it off, but bank cards are used to wearing nothing. It can be invested in plastic from a bank and in a purse and there is really less space and is not so awkward from checks and scrolling.
    There is no coat of arms, yes, but in general it will go!
  18. volcano
    volcano 3 September 2014 11: 26
    +1
    Gentlemen
    I think this is great. Personally, I've been waiting for this for a long time.
    1. The size is smaller, it’s more convenient to carry it. (And the inconvenience of wearing a modern one just can’t convey) ... sometimes you just have to take a bag because of your passport ..
    2. Plastic is not paper. wear resistance is many times higher.
    3. About your data in the databases .. my friends are your data anyway ... both in the tax base and in the pension and (if you have rights) in the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... if the security officer then in the MO GRU FSB Ministry of Emergencies, etc. so there’s no need to boil over about this .. about some kind of loans ... everything is trivial to require a calligraphic examination of the signature on the contract and voila ...

    So ... wait ...
  19. Metlik
    Metlik 3 September 2014 11: 28
    0
    Why change it every 10 years? I do not understand. Now and so, the lines in the passport offices are such that you have to lose all day so that only documents are handed over. And the grandmothers of 80 year olds will be forced to stand in line, pay for a new card, who needs it?

    Here in AI, intellectually done. If you have rights, you do not need a passport.
  20. sgr291158
    sgr291158 3 September 2014 11: 31
    0
    It’s somehow not serious to go with a card instead of a passport. And just do how to be someone over 50, we will also change or we will leave the old ones.
  21. Leo7777
    Leo7777 3 September 2014 11: 32
    0
    Quote: MIV999
    Sorry, but I am a conservative in this regard ... And the prospect that all my data will be entered in plastic, a little more than a business card that I can lose corny, accidentally throw away, etc. completely does not appeal to me.

    You can also lose your passport with all these data, no difference.

    The main thing is that an electronic wallet is not mounted there.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 3 September 2014 11: 35
      +3
      Quote: Leo7777
      Quote: MIV999
      Sorry, but I am a conservative in this regard ... And the prospect that all my data will be entered in plastic, a little more than a business card that I can lose corny, accidentally throw away, etc. completely does not appeal to me.

      You can also lose your passport with all these data, no difference.

      The main thing is that an electronic wallet is not mounted there.


      necessarily mount, this is the chip of any unification.
    2. Sanglier
      Sanglier 3 September 2014 12: 22
      0
      A wallet can already be mounted on a smartphone or tablet for a long time. For example, I have been using electronics for a long time abroad and I'm not worried. Airplane tickets are not needed, even the rights are crammed into a tablet.
  22. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 11: 32
    -6
    it would not be bad if this "crap" also replaced the rights, so as not to carry a bunch of documents
  23. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 3 September 2014 11: 32
    +9
    I personally am against the normal passport we have now, and with these changes, the Bosnians will spend the first money - it’s better to spend on agricultural development and generally Orthodox people against these electronic cards because they invade personal life, after that they will start to introduce chips and we will just become zombies and my family and I are against this blasphemy over the people and we all must resist Chubai chips and electronic passports
  24. Vtel
    Vtel 3 September 2014 11: 33
    +6
    The process of globalization in action, and its sponsors and inspirers in America and in Switzerland. The faster they chip Orthodox Russia, the more gratifying it is for our liberals too. We will all be numbered, as in a global concentration camp, but on paper all the same with the names given at birth. Correctly say the names in heaven are given. So sho hurry faster to a cozy concentration camp, dill also hurried and sho came out ...
    1. saag
      saag 3 September 2014 12: 13
      -1
      Quote: Vtel
      We’ll be all under the numbers, as in a global concentration camp,

      you are now under the number in such a database table, the computer identifies the field of the table just like that, and in my opinion you felt good :-)
      1. brn521
        brn521 3 September 2014 14: 18
        +2
        Quote: saag
        you are now under the number in some database table

        So far, all these numbers have not been reduced to a single system. There is a passport, there is a driver’s license, there are several credit cards and cash. But when you reduce all this into one, then you will find yourself at a certain uncle in full view. One click of your fingers, or even just a mistake, and you are a beggarly one, one step away from the prison bunk. And what can be done? Try to beg the bill from the terminal, which he swallowed, forgetting to reflect on the account. This is how it will be necessary to beg for not a bill, but life. Already on the example of the same states, it is obvious that when a failure occurs, you don’t give a damn about anything (the numbers on the server are not papers with signatures and seals in the archive), and they all send you nafig.
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 3 September 2014 12: 16
      +1
      Quote "Vtel": "We will all be numbered, as in a global concentration camp."

      And you now have a global number. Look in your passport - on each page. You are probably a criminal if you are afraid of it. Be afraid to control people's minds through this chip. This will be a disaster. Then we will become biorobots. He said a bad word about power and died. All unreliable can be destroyed. Only slaves will remain.
  25. special
    special 3 September 2014 11: 40
    +3
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    In 2020, the function will be connected to this plastic: credit cards, salary, medical, insurance and other cards. Then, based on the achievements of either nano or simply in micron chip technologies, they will begin to implant in the body. I think it will be by the 2030-35 year. Draw your own conclusions.


    Yeah, I lost my plastic, and kirdyk ... Nobody, and there’s no way to call you ...
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 3 September 2014 12: 08
      0
      Quote "special": "Yeah, I lost the plastic, and the kirdyk ... Nobody, and I can't call you ...".

      You might think that if you lose your passport now, you will immediately prove "who you are and what you are." During the arrest, you will sit in the police station until the identity is clarified, until a certificate is issued about "who you are and what you are."
      1. BIP PS FSB RF
        BIP PS FSB RF 3 September 2014 17: 09
        +1
        I suspect that this contingent should not prove anything. No mind - count the cripple. But Ukrainians have to pay much for the fact that the brain is washed, and that they themselves do not see the same. I was convinced by my own experience. smile

        Z.Y. Today I farm cons. I have never received such pleasure from them.
        1. nvv
          nvv 4 September 2014 02: 44
          +1
          Well, minuses without explanation, this is not from a great mind. Do not be offended by them. Probably the same correct answer was given to you by the same LEKHA. hi
  26. Arh
    Arh 3 September 2014 11: 42
    +2
    Honestly not even a lot of scary !!!
    1. Arh
      Arh 3 September 2014 12: 34
      +1
      I’m afraid they can download information that could damage in the future, they won’t write it on paper passports !!!
      1. saag
        saag 3 September 2014 13: 28
        +1
        The absence of a registration stamp in the passport is enough and you are under suspicion :-)
      2. saag
        saag 3 September 2014 13: 32
        +1
        Quote: Igor Polovodov
        Such a document should be a work of art, national pride and heritage!

        Khokhloma painting or Coca-Cola tri-color design?
  27. Letnab
    Letnab 3 September 2014 11: 55
    -1
    I don’t understand what everyone is afraid of! Now paper passports are forged into a light one, but I am silent about the use of stolen goods. We do not know the full information on the practical use of the new passport and the protection of information on it, but we are outraged.
    In any case, somewhere, after all, a database of all citizens is stored, so they would attach a new passport to this database so as not to collect certificates, probably for everyone this problem ..
  28. miv110
    miv110 3 September 2014 11: 57
    +3
    Despite all the achievements of technological progress, the degradation of world society is only intensifying, and the Jesuit intention of universal control is hidden behind a beautiful idea. We are well aware that in this case all data about a person may be subjected to unauthorized access and editing and used against him. All this is very alarming.
    1. miv110
      miv110 3 September 2014 16: 56
      0
      A little bit of humor:
  29. smershxnumx
    smershxnumx 3 September 2014 12: 00
    +1
    Quote: insafufa

    here the chip wakes up, let's say they will read your data every time they pass through the turnstile to the airport at the railway stations and checkpoints on the roads, wherever you go, there will be all the info where and where there was skem. You can’t even wet the end without the knowledge of the FSB.

    They will track as well as on billing of mobile operators. All movements are under control! Total control! bully
  30. Barakuda
    Barakuda 3 September 2014 12: 00
    +5
    Somehow they forget that the main servers of the global network are located in the USA. Who needs it, who lobbies in the Duma? Loopback systems can be "banged" in a moment. What happened next ? - prove with a piece of plastic that you are not a camel?
  31. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 3 September 2014 12: 02
    -2
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    And you will be hooked by the special services for minor administrative offenses. Either they will be "thrown" to you by editing

    And now all respectable citizens are already on the hook with the special services. And if they have a grudge against you, they will always concoct a pod and even you may be added to the CIA database as a dastardly spy. For hackers from the FSB, this is a piece of cake. This new passport will simply force all people in Russia to go through a new registration, a kind of population census, and whoever does not have this passport is illegal, and without a passport he will be easily caught, but on condition that this passport replaces other bank and financial cards and must everywhere stand reading this passport device. And then in Russia there are too many bandits and enemies. It's bad if it contains our medical record. This is a medical secret and my future boss should not know this information.
    1. Vtel
      Vtel 3 September 2014 15: 23
      +2
      Quote: Алексей_К
      This new passport will simply force all people in Russia to undergo a new registration, a kind of census, and whoever does not have this passport is illegal,


      This is exactly what is expected of you in the West, Geivrope was scared by Russians, and why should you be afraid if you are Russian. Just do not be obedient to the West and their minions with us - the 5th column. Praise God that he is!
  32. cup
    cup 3 September 2014 12: 03
    -3
    the main thing is that there would be no universal hemorrhagic card. I made myself. just a piece of plastic. functional zero. and no one can say anything about it.
  33. Loner_53
    Loner_53 3 September 2014 12: 05
    -1
    On baroban plastic eraser, the main thing is written there, CITIZEN OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION hi
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 3 September 2014 12: 18
      +3
      I have the USSR anthem on the call and the coat of arms of Russia on the phone, BUT forgive me, the same is written on the fence, but how can I prove if the server will fly or the virus will be launched? And riveting cards is easy, with any info, and without your knowledge, and not even for you. A forest to cut, in which case you have to.
  34. viktorrymar
    viktorrymar 3 September 2014 12: 30
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    only all one certificate is required, in any case, in 9, it was required although RNN was (and not TIN) and PSCs were


    so times are changing
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 12: 33
      -1
      Well, if you take into account when you entered the certificate in the Republic of Kazakhstan, it turns out that hemorrhoids were more than 10 years old, in addition, you do not always contact the PSC and again the question arises with a residence permit
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 12: 36
      -2
      here's an example of this hemorrhoid
      documents that are needed for a divorce in the Republic of Kazakhstan
      original marriage certificate
      Copy of Identity Card
      TRN copy
      address reference on both parents
      Copy of Birth Certificate
      state duty

      that is, all one, submit a certificate of residence to the ID card
  35. Rock2
    Rock2 3 September 2014 12: 31
    +2
    For those feeding illusions to UEC, I recommend reading here:

    http://txt.drevle.com/lib/rase-uek.html

    There is also a mechanism for competent refusal.
  36. nik-karata
    nik-karata 3 September 2014 12: 32
    -2
    Yes, the thing is good! Only now from the beginning of 2015. ??? Oh oh .....
  37. MSA
    MSA 3 September 2014 12: 40
    +3
    Here is a new electronic document
    1. nvv
      nvv 3 September 2014 13: 15
      +1
      VDUL! DALVROT !!!!! laughing
  38. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 3 September 2014 12: 43
    0
    A driver’s license and other documents can also be worn on one medium, and a double is done very quickly when lost.
  39. aspir_chem
    aspir_chem 3 September 2014 12: 47
    0
    No registration and thank God! a lot of problems because of her only ... although from 2015 this is definitely not introduced! not earlier than in 5-10 years we’ll come to this
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 12: 49
      -2
      call her whatever you like, but you can't do without her
  40. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 3 September 2014 12: 49
    0
    The only big one (-)
    the appearance / design of this concept does not inspire any patriotic feelings.
    This is in our country - the homeland of such constructivist artists as Rodchenko and Tatlin ...

    Such a document should be a work of art, national pride and heritage!
  41. Sergg
    Sergg 3 September 2014 13: 37
    +5
    Most Russian citizens are against a plastic passport.
    The idea is muddy since it was originally funded from the West.
    Western idea means hostile. These passports will not bring anything good to Russian citizens.

    Now imagine the power in Russia has changed, which is actually not surprising, we can immediately become slaves to the new totalitarian system. Putin is good. But he is a man. Imagine if there will again be such as Yeltsin or Gorbachev. The ultimate goal is for this passport to become a single document and at the same time a payment card, it is no coincidence that paper payments are gradually replaced with electronic payments. I do not want to be a slave to the system. Decide for yourself!
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 13: 39
      -4
      Quote: Sergg
      Now imagine the power in Russia has changed, which is actually not surprising, we can immediately become slaves of the new totalitarian system

      how?
      Quote: Sergg
      Most Russian citizens are against a plastic passport.

      Can you show the survey data?
      Quote: Sergg
      Muddy idea

      what is the turbidity?
  42. brn521
    brn521 3 September 2014 14: 04
    +3
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    Then, based on the achievements of either nano or simply in micron chip technologies, they will begin to implant in the body.

    It has been possible to implant for a long time. The people are simply not ready. We need to convince him that this is important, beneficial, useful and not at all scary. So step by step, first, the universal numbering from birth according to the western system (snills), now here is a passport with a chip. Then, when the infrastructure is ready, they will introduce completely non-cash payments and hang a wallet on the chip. Under the pretext of convenience and protection. Just "suddenly" the market will be filled with counterfeit bills. Well, then, in order to protect against fraud and under other pretexts, they will begin to implant.
    In general, I do not argue that accounting and control are important. But we will eventually turn into puppets, and the ends of the threads will be in the clutches of people whom we have long considered bastards. I am not so liberal to look at this thing through pink glasses.
    In general, I am opposed, it is necessary to block in some way the attempts of the government in this direction. If the Pirate Party had mastered registration, I would have voted for it, since one of the consequences would be an unnecessary obstacle to attempts to put a government paw on one of the most important elements of such a future controlling structure, i.e. on the internet.
    Quote: Sergg
    Imagine if there will again be such as Yeltsin or Gorbachev.

    Yes, no difference. The Communists also established a totalitarian system. And then they dragged the country along with people. And here the possibilities will be even greater. Well, nafig, we need to control the government so that the deputies and the president report for each of their actions, and not vice versa.
  43. dazefex
    dazefex 3 September 2014 14: 47
    +1
    Normal indignation) We had this when chipovannye passports were introduced, the novelty is scary)) 10 years with this passport and in "abroad" it is easier to pass control. The certificate was introduced for 2 years (or 3), I cannot imagine how to follow a person using it (even if it radiates) - he is lying at home. In our institution banks and driver's licenses are passed - one base. At the border, and so and so fixed. A chip card (not a passport) is another plus for going to Turkey, Armenia, for example - we don't need a passport. You can throw small money there for the metro buses, but I don't know anyone who is doing this nonsense) So all the rules)
    1. nvv
      nvv 4 September 2014 02: 57
      +2
      You see how they quickly get used to the good. First, the card. Good! And they will tell you, and let us insert a chip for you, it will be even better. Say, come on. That's where you got on the cook.
      1. dazefex
        dazefex 4 September 2014 03: 38
        +3
        It’s gloomy.
        1. nvv
          nvv 4 September 2014 10: 08
          0
          Life is like that
          Gloomy.
  44. Tanysh
    Tanysh 3 September 2014 15: 03
    0
    As an alternative, formally equalize the passport and the plastic driver's certificate.
    What I want - the one I use ...
  45. Intensive
    Intensive 3 September 2014 16: 46
    -1
    The main issue is not the convenience of the document, but the ability of the owner of the document to have access to the information entered in the document. Thus, the information about the owner of the document should be in a form that can be verified by means of the senses, and not by means of devices that are not available at any time. In documents with electronic media, a person cannot directly make sure that data about him does not violate his rights and freedoms as a citizen in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation. This form of data allows you to hang any "label" on a person, and the document carrier itself will not be able to check what information about his personality is stored in the document. In addition, the information in electronic form is subject to any changes by rewriting each time the document is in the range of the reader and writer. Those. if someone wants to use some legal procedure to check the data entered in the document, then there is no certainty that 1) that this data will be displayed in full; 2) that these data will not be changed immediately after the reconciliation procedure. For example, a person is not hired under various pretexts. The reason can only be that the passport contains a marker prohibiting the personnel services of enterprises from hiring him. At the same time, you simply will not have the opportunity to find out.

    By the way, such news as a litmus test reflects the real priorities of "our" government. Ukraine, "multipolarity", "neoindustrialization" are, unfortunately, just a tactic. But changing passports is a strategy. After all, all these passport changes are taking place in parallel all over the world. The final stage is chipping people. Preparations are underway for global control of the entire population of the Earth.
    1. BIP PS FSB RF
      BIP PS FSB RF 3 September 2014 17: 30
      -2
      According to the first part of the message - there will be data that you submit. Only the passport office will be able to write and rewrite. Or do you consider yourself so important that at each checkpoint at work with access control there will be special equipment and your every delay to be recorded? Oh well - you want to scare yourself - scare.
      On the second - chipization, global control - ay yay yay! Everything is lost! Well, it happened so ... And what does it mean - a thief, a murderer, a rapist will not hide anywhere. You, as a respectable person, can calmly wait for the delayed children to go home.
      And so once again I repeat the phrase that I wrote above - BREATHE!
      1. Intensive
        Intensive 3 September 2014 20: 10
        0
        This is tantamount to entering a tram with a Kalash, reassuring citizens with the words "not the fact that I will shoot at you."
  46. brn521
    brn521 3 September 2014 20: 43
    +1
    The problem is not the passport itself, or the chip, or the number. The problem is that they will serve as the basis for creating a unified system of control, distribution and management. And in whose hands will it all turn out? No, I strongly oppose it. It may line up so that fear of rapists, murderers and thieves seems naive old ravings. Since the system will decide who should live, who will live, and who will sleep with, and who is dissatisfied, it won’t get anywhere. For serious opposition to the system, organization will be required, one in the field is not a warrior. But it is here that this system, working with each individually, will show its strength. Everyone will be for himself. I remember the history of the USSR too well not to dream of utopia under the supervision of Big Brother. Because how to manage in the end everything will become what usually always pops up.
  47. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 September 2014 05: 57
    -1
    The idea is not bad. All on one card, plus pension and TIN. Now I drag photos of all the docks in smart. At the expense of stealing / faking, so it is now without any problems. About surveillance is just ridiculous, carry the card in a foil case or tin in general and you will be happy.)) It will be convenient if it can be thrown money at it, connected with our payment system. You can buy tickets at one time.