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"Pansky wrong side of World War II"

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August 1939 of the year. 24 August Poland knocks out two Lufthansa civil aircraft, 30 August in Krakow, German consul August Schillinger was killed. The invasions of regular Polish units into German territory.

All these little-known facts that Niels Johansen from the Culture newspaper collected and analyzed. They do not write about it and practically do not speak, otherwise the whole “logic” of explanations of the Second World War will be violated.

Let's say at once - Hitler’s fault in the deaths of tens of millions of people is indisputable, and he is the unconditional and main enemy of the Russian people for all history Russia. But without understanding the hidden springs of the outbreak of World War II, we risk not understanding who and how today is trying to start a new global military conflict.

"Pansky wrong side of World War II"

September 1 1939 of the year Germany is attacking Poland. Which has long and stubbornly provoked the Germans, seeking to start the war. The Polish leadership did not act in the interests of Poland. And in whose? In the interests of those who brought Hitler to power: London, Washington and Paris.

Recall: August 1939, in Moscow, negotiations of the Anglo-French delegation with the delegation of the USSR. It is impossible to negotiate an alliance that will stop Germany, solely through the fault of the West. And then, in a couple of days, Stalin signs the Nonaggression Pact with Germany - 23 August 1939.

By the time Hitler struck Poland (September 1) - the whole relationship between Moscow and Berlin is just a week! There is no friendship, there is no union, but there is an agreement “not to attack,” which is a week.

What are the reasons to believe that Adolf Hitler will perform it?

The West hoped that by defeating Poland, Hitler would strike the USSR on the move, or the conflict between Russians and Germans would begin on Polish territory. That will allow the Fuhrer to be returned to the framework of the scenario, for the sake of which he was brought to power: a war with the USSR. (And do not forget that at this moment the USSR is really already fighting! With Japan on Khalkhin Gol.)

It was the pushing of the West that led to the inadequate actions of Warsaw, which in every way provoked Hitler and sincerely believed that he would be defeated quickly and easily. Why? Because in the back of Germany will hit England and France.

But they betrayed Poland in September 1939, because they didn’t need to defeat Hitler, but his war with the USSR. For what Hitler's Germany had to be strong, and therefore the "strange war" began. When the French soldiers played football on the contact line with the Germans ...

Therefore, remembering the victims of the Second World War, let's not forget its true fathers, along with Hitler, who sacrificed many tens of millions of lives to solve their geopolitical tasks.

Source: http://portal-kultura.ru/articles/history/57924-panskaya-iznanka-vtoroy-mirovoy/

“75 years ago, 1 September 1939 of the year, struck the most terrible disaster in the history of mankind. Historians are still studying its prerequisites so far, but the events of the end of summer - the beginning of the autumn of 39 - seem to seem indisputable. The Third Reich attacked defenseless Poland, France and Great Britain declared war on the aggressor. But is it all clear?

... In Europe, a big war will soon begin, the USSR will try to draw into it. In Moscow, they were well aware of and acted on anticipation. At first, an attempt was made to link the Western powers with a pact. On the initiative of the Soviet side in the spring of 39, consultations began on concluding a collective security treaty with England and France. “With the official proposal to conclude a trilateral treaty, the Soviet Union made 2 June 1939 of the year, explains Dr. Yury Zhukov, Doctor of Historical Sciences. - But delegations from London and Paris arrived in Moscow only on August 11 - “we were delayed on the road”. Clement Voroshilov, people's commissar of defense, was present at the talks from the USSR, General Dumenc from France, and Admiral Drax from Great Britain. According to the Soviet proposals, joint military actions against Germany were to start if she attacked not only someone from this troika, but also a number of European states too. However, the negotiations failed: the European powers sent delegations to the Soviet Union that lacked authority. Drax and Dumenk, unlike Voroshilov, had no right to make decisions. ”

In other words, the British and French did not want to negotiate with the USSR. There is nothing surprising: it was these states with all their forces that contributed to the growth of the power of the Wehrmacht, six months before that they gave Hitler "armory Forge of Europe ”- Czech Republic. Earlier - Austria. To the Reich, gaining strength, rushed to the East, beat the Communists. But at the end of the summer of 1939, our diplomacy presented the West with an unpleasant surprise: on August 23, the so-called "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact" was concluded - a non-aggression pact between Germany and the Soviet Union.

It turned out that Stalin and Molotov played on the internal problems of the Reich, which was an artificial, barely viable state. In the pre-war years, the defense industry spent there up to 57% of investments in fixed assets. At the same time, there were no own capital in the impoverished, ravaged by reparations of Germany, the MIC kept foreign “investors” with money. These gigantic funds went to the army, while problems were growing in the country, primarily food. “In Germany, a state of war was created, for which the economy, ideology and the life of society were subordinate to preparation,” recalls Vladimir Dobrenkov, Ph.D.


In the summer of 1939, Germany was on the verge of starvation. 20 September, just three weeks after the start of the Polish campaign, in the "victorious Reich" introduced the card system. It would be worse, but the Russians helped. Echelons with grain came from the USSR, the Germans paid for it with their high-tech - machine tools, optics, electronics, and weapons. For bread, our country was even given the latest heavy cruiser Lützow, which subsequently participated in the defense of Leningrad under the name "Petropavlovsk".

The Russians and the Germans needed to continue to be friends, beat the English and American plutocrats together - this thesis is very popular in the fiction of the alternative-historical genre. Dmitry Lavrinenko and Michael Wittman on the ruins of the Tower, Alexander Pokryshkin and Erich Hartmann flap their wings from above, and the sons of Denits and the children of Kuznetsov are drowning their enemies together at sea. Here only the authors miss one moment. Key. The USSR and the Third Reich were never friends.

To have time to prepare for the inevitable war — to rearm the army, complete the defense industry, relocate industry to the Urals. Such were the tasks of our country, only for the sake of this an agreement was concluded with Germany. A postponement was required, at any price. The price was not so high - just to feed your enemy.

And nothing more. There were no “secret protocols” to the agreement of 23 in August of 1939, they were invented later, during the restructuring. Another thing is that from trade - one step to closer interaction. According to the principle "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." But it was Poland at the end of the 30-s that represented the main real threat for the USSR, and, perhaps, for Hitler's Germany.

According to the official history, 31 August 1939, the German intelligence services organized the so-called “Gleivice incident” - a dramatization (as the official history interprets it) of the Polish attacks on the border German town. After this, the casus belli Wehrmacht rushed to the East. But you can take a different look.

First, the “Gleiwick incident” was not the first. From mid-summer 39, when the first consultations between Soviet and German diplomats began, regular units of the Polish army began to systematically invade Germany. According to the testimony of the Canadian historian Frank Kerneu near Königsberg - and not only - the cavalry of the lords burned German villages. People were pricked with pikes, chopped with sabers, castrated, hung up, raped, dragged on the lasso for horses. August 23 had to attract parts of the Wehrmacht to repel aggression.


Documentary evidence of the atrocities of zholner, especially in the town of Bromberg, including photographs, is. Moreover, no one ever tried to challenge them.

Only in the course of the “Bromberg pogrom” about five thousand civilians of German nationality perished, the total number going to tens of thousands. About this is written even in Wikipedia. For a long time, the Poles denied the facts of genocide and blamed the massacres of civilians on the mythical "Hitler saboteurs." But in 2003, the Polish historian Włodzimierz Jastrzhembsky nevertheless admitted that there were no saboteurs, and the Poles simply took out their anger on the peaceful German settlers.

Further more. 24 August Poland knocks out two Lufthansa civil aircraft, 30 August in Krakow, German consul August Schillinger was killed. No one doubts these facts either, it is simply not customary to recall them. “Poland is seeking a war with Germany, and Germany cannot avoid it, even if it wants,” said Polish Marshal Edward Rydz-Smigly to the British newspaper Daily Mail 6 August 1939. But this is, in fact, a declaration of war!

And from the words of the Poles quickly got down to business - they announced mobilization. “The latest report on the situation in Poland. Mobilization in Poland will be completed on 27 August. This suggests that we are lagging behind with mobilization. In order to complete the mobilization simultaneously with the Poles, we need to start its August 21. In this case, by the 27 of August, even the divisions of the third and fourth waves will be deployed. To consult with the commander in chief, ”Halder, Chief of the General Staff of the Land Forces of Germany, wrote in his 15 August 1939 diary.

But could Poland, in 39, attack Germany? “The Poles considered themselves to be a superpower. Plus they hoped for the help of their main ally, France. Together, they would undoubtedly beat the Germans, ”says historian Roy Medvedev.

The third republic possessed the most powerful army at that time in the world. For reference: Paris could exhibit 2,7 million bayonets, 3500 aircraft, about 4500 tanks (including up to 700 medium and over 300 heavy), 15 artillery barrels. Berlin - only 000 million people, up to 1,5 tanks (3000 of which were light Pz.I and Pz.II, there were no heavy ones at all, medium ones - about a hundred), up to 2800 airplanes and about 2000 cannons. “The French were able to literally roll out the Wehrmacht with its“ cardboard ”armored vehicles. There were more tanks, and not a single German gun penetrated the armor of the same B7000 bis. That is, both quantitatively and qualitatively, Paris defeated Berlin, ”says Maxim Kolomiets, historian of armored vehicles.


Since February 1939, the General Staff of the Commonwealth began developing a plan of operation with the straightforward name "West". In the summer of the same year, it began to be realized. By September 1, more than 25 infantry divisions were concentrated on the western border of the country, and around 20 were on the nearest approaches. Germany then had 75 – 80 divisions. In total - and the Poles, and the French, and the British, too.

By the way, in the 37 – 38 years, Poland was the main military ally of Germany, she took part in the division of Czechoslovakia, choking off the Cieszyn region (after the war she had to give it back). And the general staff of both armies developed a joint plan of attack on the USSR.

“Poland pursued a very aggressive policy, the story of the division of Czechoslovakia only proves it. And Warsaw more than once very obsessively offered itself as an ally to Berlin, called together to go to seize Russian territories. Notice, on their own initiative, "- said Roy Medvedev.

Information about the backwardness of the Polish army is not true. Thanks to England, France and the USA, there were enough weapons. The 7TP tank, also known as the Vickers Mk E (the same T-26), was in service, the development was 10TP (an analogue of the Soviet BT-7 - the favorite vehicle of Viktor Suvorov-Rezun, the notorious “freeway tank”), strong aviation (more than a thousand cars, up to 2000 - according to some sources), good artillery. In Soviet military doctrine, Poland was seen as a very serious enemy.

Yes, it is the enemy. “The dismemberment of Russia lies at the heart of Polish policy in the east ... Therefore, our possible position will be reduced to the following formula: who will take part in the section. Poland should not remain passive at this wonderful historical moment. The task is to prepare well in advance, ”is an excerpt from the report of the Polish General Staff from 1938. Comments, as they say, are superfluous.

Or here's an interesting fact. The Small Soviet Encyclopedia reported that in 1938, Poland spent a percentage of its state budget on 32’s army. That is, it was a "state of war."

And a little more about the Polish army. 40 – 45 divisions - this is not all. There are, for example, references to the 55 Infantry Division in the Krakow Army. Plus up to 30 cavalry corps: as part of each - two or three cavalry regiments, an armored personnel carrier regiment, several divisions of artillery, infantry in trucks (about 5000, a man of personnel). These are the very horse-mechanized groups for the creation of which Semyon Budyonny so advocated. Total we have more plus 15 divisions. In sum, already 70.

By the way. According to the memoirs of the head of the raw materials department of the German Ministry of Weapons Hans Kerl, the Wehrmacht captured at least one million Polish servicemen, while Soviet documents also mention 450 – 500 thousands of soldiers and officers captured by the Red Army. And a few tens of thousands simply fled home or fled to Romania or Hungary. We already see more than one and a half million, that is, a number equal to the Wehrmacht.

However, the above facts do not remove the guilt from Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich for unleashing a global slaughter. However, we should not forget that the beginning of the war was largely provoked by the famous pansy ambition and the desire of Warsaw to revive within the borders of the great medieval state - Rzecz Pospolita, and on the other hand - the criminal passivity and short-sightedness of Western leaders. ”

PS You can read more about the role of Poland in the material “Poland - an ally of Hitler»
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  1. Giant thought
    Giant thought 3 September 2014 08: 39
    +15
    Poland, as always, is hypocritical, then and now.
    1. USSR 1971
      USSR 1971 3 September 2014 08: 43
      +10
      So they would read a story that once climbed somewhere to satisfy their own greatness. Minin and Pozharsky were not finished off, now the militia near the airport in Donetsk is completing it.
      1. Underwood
        Underwood 3 September 2014 09: 00
        -2
        Quote: USSR 1971
        Minin and Pozharsky did not finish

        Well, according to sabzh - rather Rundstedt and Guderian.
        Quote: USSR 1971
        militia near the airport in Donetsk completes.

        and what does it have to do with it? You still embroider the embargo on apples.
        1. USSR 1971
          USSR 1971 3 September 2014 09: 16
          +4
          Unfortunately, despite the fact that the Polish leadership repeats the mistakes of the past. And the presence in the PMC (what have they forgotten there?), And mate. help from the army of punishers (you might think the Donbass threatens the integrity of Poland) and speculation around the long-fallen plane in Smolensk (the Russians are to blame anyway). This desire to "popanovat" has not gone anywhere. Apples have nothing to do with it.
          1. Underwood
            Underwood 3 September 2014 12: 06
            -1
            Quote: USSR 1971
            And the presence of PMCs (what did they forget there?)

            money and combat experience. Nationality has nothing to do with it. And in general, there is some stretch in linking Minin-Pozharsky with the Weiss plan.
          2. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 3 September 2014 12: 37
            0
            Resentment against history and hypertrophied inferiority complex of "lost greatness"
            1. Underwood
              Underwood 3 September 2014 12: 43
              0
              Quote: OldWiser
              Resentment against history and hypertrophied inferiority complex of "lost greatness"

              I agree. This Eurosot is combing his "greatness" all his life.
        2. LvKiller
          LvKiller 3 September 2014 13: 39
          0
          What do you mean "with what"?
          "DPR announces captured Polish mercenaries"
          http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2014/09/02/n_6445809.shtml
          1. Underwood
            Underwood 3 September 2014 17: 57
            0
            Quote: LvKiller
            What do you mean "with what"?
            "DPR announces captured Polish mercenaries"

            so what? some kind of xoxlophrenia - to shove Ukraine into any subject.
            What does the DNR have to do with the topic of the article?
      2. insafufa
        insafufa 3 September 2014 09: 08
        0
        Yeah, minin and firemen only threw a cry and beat everyone who at that time was part of the state
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 11: 18
        0
        Quote: USSR 1971
        Minin and Pozharsky did not finish

        let's leave it alone, there is such a dark story with these "false Dmitrys" that you can't figure it out without half a liter
      4. bda
        bda 3 September 2014 23: 43
        0
        In general, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact is among the greatest successes of our diplomacy.
        / therefore, with the beginning of the Khorbachev perestroika precisely with regard to this Pact, the liberals of all countries have gone to hell - they still cannot forgive that I.V. Stalin outplayed them and their owners /

        And one more thing: at the beginning of 1942, when for the Victory it was necessary to give millions and millions more lives, A. Hitler was already noticed with tantrums on the subject of the Covenant - he grieved that the Russians had fooled him.
    2. Underwood
      Underwood 3 September 2014 09: 07
      +6
      Quote: Thought Giant
      Poland, as always, is hypocritical, then and now.

      eloquent comment - the whole point of psheks.
      Yes, and xoxlov also concerns:
      1. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 3 September 2014 09: 20
        +2
        "Angry and cunning dog" - no teeth, but can lick to death.
        1. Underwood
          Underwood 3 September 2014 09: 50
          +1
          Quote: B.T.W.
          and sly dog

          You read the legend of Pan Twardowski. The whole point is in it.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 September 2014 11: 19
        0
        need to add - dismounting
    3. e_krendel
      e_krendel 3 September 2014 10: 00
      +2
      vile lackeys, ready to lick anyone who promises to help spoil Russia.
      1. 1500014781401
        1500014781401 3 September 2014 14: 14
        +1
        Before each elections to the Seimas, the "Belarusian card" was played. The question of the rights of Poles in Belarus was raised. Until they got Lukashenko and Mr. Tusk (then a deputy) was simply deployed at the border, the leadership in the "Union of Poles" was changed. Lukashenka expressed his opinion on the geographical maps sold in Poland, on which the eastern borders run across the Minsk region. There was a diplomat. mini scandal. For many years they have been spoiling us professionally, forgetting about the gift of Stalin, the primordially Belarusian lands, Bialystok.
    4. 222222
      222222 3 September 2014 14: 42
      +1
      Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation. Archive SVR.
      "Secrets of Polish Politics. Collection of Documents (1935-1945)" Moscow 2009, almost 400 pages
      http://ria.ru/files/poland-2009.pdf

      Article "Poland before World War II planned to dismember the USSR - SVR"
      http://ria.ru/politics/20090901/183231849.html

      "In August 1937, the Polish General Staff issued directive No. 2304/2/37, which states that the ultimate goal of Polish policy is" the destruction of all Russia, "and incitement of separatism in the Caucasus, Ukraine and in Central Asia using, in particular, the capabilities of military intelligence.
  2. DOC
    DOC 3 September 2014 08: 41
    +8
    Two old Poles reason:
    - Do you remember the film "Four Tankers and a Dog"?
    - Of course I remember, a true film, before not so much truth was shown about the Poles.
    - And what do you think, if we had two of these tanks, what then?
    - Yes, then we would have won the war without the Russians, and not only the Germans, but the Japanese would have won, you imagine, Polish tanks in the center of defeated Tokyo, both ...
    “No, I think the Russians knew all this from the very beginning, and that's why they gave us only one tank.”
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 3 September 2014 08: 46
      +4
      The people called this film: "Three Poles, a Georgian and a Dog."
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 3 September 2014 11: 20
        +4
        Quote: B.T.W.
        The people called this film: "Three Poles, a Georgian and a Dog."


        I don’t remember the movie, but in the book were Russian, Georgians and two Poles and a dog (also from Russia).
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 3 September 2014 12: 40
      +1
      And "The Bet is More Than Life"? Jan Clos - as James Bond - the main culprit of Germany's defeat in the war
  3. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 3 September 2014 08: 41
    +4
    Here is Poland, for sale - so that she chokes on apples and scum fascist
  4. Eugenenl
    Eugenenl 3 September 2014 08: 43
    +6
    PS You can read more about the role of Poland in the article “Poland - Hitler's Ally”

    You can still read more about the role of Poland in any textbook on the history of Russia. A dirty country in life ...
  5. Loner_53
    Loner_53 3 September 2014 08: 45
    +3
    It’s always visible from Poland that it carried rot, and now the apples rot winked
  6. gsg955
    gsg955 3 September 2014 08: 47
    +11
    By the way, in Germany no one forgot that the Poles have been living on German lands for almost 70 years, and the Germans also remember the post-war exile of the Germans, accompanied by robberies and murders. The story with the partition of Poland is yet to come ...
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 3 September 2014 08: 55
      -1
      Quote: gsg955
      .The story of the partition of Poland is yet to come ...

      Tell me, fuck you need it?
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 3 September 2014 12: 43
        +1
        so that Polish voivodeships become Belarusian regions
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 3 September 2014 17: 55
          +1
          Quote: OldWiser
          so that Polish voivodeships become Belarusian regions

          Pshekov at the expense? "This is not our method" (c). And with them, the territories in the state become a long-lasting cancer.
        2. Rider
          Rider 3 September 2014 22: 34
          +1
          Quote: OldWiser
          so that Polish voivodeships become Belarusian regions

          let the Belarusians have a headache about it

          Russia has enough of its problems
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 3 September 2014 12: 42
      0
      And then there are some people who are ready to give Galicia to them - like "she is poisonous (Galicia), so let the psheki poison themselves with it"
      1. Rider
        Rider 3 September 2014 22: 36
        0
        Quote: OldWiser
        there are still individual shots who are ready to give them Galicia

        and it will be sooooo harasho
        and pshek satisfied and rogul busy
  7. FACKtoREAL
    FACKtoREAL 3 September 2014 08: 54
    +5
    Poland - Historical European JACKAL
    negative
    1. Kuvabatake
      Kuvabatake 3 September 2014 09: 49
      +3
      Not a jackal, but a European whore.
  8. Kakaktus
    Kakaktus 3 September 2014 08: 59
    +1
    Here it is, political correctness. They are preparing to shower us with apples.
  9. Eragon
    Eragon 3 September 2014 09: 04
    0
    These bastards have already been divided once. It seems that in Europe then it became calmer. So no, the Bolsheviks didn’t give a shit here either.
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 3 September 2014 12: 34
      +1
      How many times have they been divided?
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 3 September 2014 12: 44
      +2
      In fact, Poland was divided three times (if since 1939, then four already)
      1. Prometheus
        Prometheus 3 September 2014 14: 12
        0
        And if with the Vienna Congress, then five.
  10. CONTROL
    CONTROL 3 September 2014 09: 09
    +3
    Poland ... England ... France ... Finland ... Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia ... Sweden ...
    historically - countries of dishonor, and not only in relation to Russia!
  11. Flinky
    Flinky 3 September 2014 09: 12
    +2
    the "collective west" is not negotiable. You don't need to negotiate with them. You need to keep them at a distance of a rocket shot.
  12. kotev19
    kotev19 3 September 2014 09: 12
    +1
    The defeat of the Polish military column in the battle of Bzuru ...
  13. kotev19
    kotev19 3 September 2014 09: 14
    +1
    But the roads are the same ...
  14. kotev19
    kotev19 3 September 2014 09: 17
    +1
    German soldiers and Polish prisoners of war
  15. Egoza
    Egoza 3 September 2014 09: 18
    +2
    And I think that if the partition of Ukraine begins now, then the Poles will certainly climb, and here Bandera will win back for them for the defeat in the SE. And it is still unknown who whom in this case.
    1. Underwood
      Underwood 3 September 2014 09: 29
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      And I think that if the partition of Ukraine begins now, then the Poles will certainly climb, and here Bandera will win back for them for the defeat in the SE. And it is still unknown who whom in this case.

      curious assumption)
      Considering that the polandia is a NATO member, and UA is lusting for such a membership, events can unfold very, very interesting.
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 3 September 2014 12: 45
      0
      Well, Bandera will not reach Warsaw - definitely
  16. kotev19
    kotev19 3 September 2014 09: 21
    +2
    Martin Bormann, Adolf Hitler, Erwin Rommel and Walter von Reichenau in Poland, September 1939
  17. kotev19
    kotev19 3 September 2014 09: 24
    +1
    German army marching the streets of captured Warsaw
  18. old hotabych
    old hotabych 3 September 2014 09: 31
    +2
    Vobschem need to learn history and do not forget to play.
    Well, now they will eat up apples with cider and drink - there will be no time to sleep, they may remember their "victories". Now they have a new owner, how long they will suck, let them decide
  19. Bobo beck
    Bobo beck 3 September 2014 09: 32
    +3
    Selling psheks, so many Soviet soldiers died for their cities. Instead of kissing the hands of Russian, intrigues are building. Sneaky people.
  20. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 3 September 2014 09: 43
    +1
    Poland is strong! (c) a popular meme.
  21. Sergey Loskutov
    Sergey Loskutov 3 September 2014 09: 45
    +5
    The principle of capitalism is to maximize profits. A single scale of values ​​based on monetary terms. As a result, the Second World War. The most profitable business is the war. Investing in your people unites the nation, the citizens of the country. What unites the social group most quickly is the image of the enemy. The ideological basis of state policy is based on: forming the image of an external enemy, blaming neighbors, people of other nationalities and others "not ours" in their problems, "restoring justice and returning what was previously lost" or open territorial claims. The results of the Second World War showed that the losses from participation in the war were too great. Therefore, they came up with the sale of such a product as "democracy", "freedoms and rights of citizens." The cause of international conflicts remains the same. The exorbitant appetites of the oligarchs and the suicidal ideology of capitalism.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 3 September 2014 12: 48
      +1
      Do you deny the "national question"? Reducing everything to a pure class approach? In vain, my friend, in vain
  22. miv110
    miv110 3 September 2014 10: 01
    +6
    A very interesting article, some facts were not known to me until now. Especially the facts of the destruction of the German population and German planes. Direct analogy to today's events (nothing new in the world in the technology of provocations has been invented). The fact that Poland is not "white and fluffy" has been known for a long time and no matter how they tried to declare themselves innocent victims
    aggression still does not work - the truth climbs out of a rotten bag of lies.
    1. dmb
      dmb 3 September 2014 11: 18
      +3
      Personally, I am most interested in where the "historian" Starikov dug up these "heartbreaking details. Not the writings of the mysterious Frank Kerneu, but the primary sources. In addition to Frank. Scarce phrases from Halder's diary and Wikipedia, Kohl's thimble does not give any other sources. Wikipedia is the most accessible, revised and I didn’t find anything of Kolya’s revelations there, neither about the Bormberg pogrom, nor about the downed planes. By the way, why did the Germans need to organize a provocation in Gleiwitz if they had a real fact of the Bromberg pogrom with five thousand victims?
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 3 September 2014 12: 50
        0
        a fresh bruise is visible better than a month ago.
      2. Underwood
        Underwood 3 September 2014 13: 00
        0
        Quote: dmb
        why did the Germans need to organize a provocation in Gleivitz if they had a real fact of the Bromberg pogrom with five thousand victims?

        Bromberger Blutsonntag took place on September 3rd. Thus, the Bydgoszcz massacre could not serve as the reason for the start of the Polish campaign.
        Regarding the downed sides of the Lufthansa, there is a telegram from Ribbentrop to Hitler and a resolution of the latter.
        Mentioned in the Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals Under Control Council Law
        1. dmb
          dmb 3 September 2014 14: 19
          0
          Honestly, in Aglitsky it’s not strong, but where is this telegram stored. and at least a resolution.
      3. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 3 September 2014 13: 41
        0
        Quote: dmb
        Wikipedia is the most accessible, reviewed and found nothing of the Kolya revelations there, nor about the Bormberg pogrom,

        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%F0%EE%E2%E0%E2%EE%E5_%E2%EE%F1%EA%F0%E5%F1%E5%
        ED% FC% E5_ (1939)
        "Bydgoszcz (Bromberg) [1]" Bloody Sunday "(German Bromberger Blutsonntag, Polish Krwawa niedziela w Bydgoszczy 3-4 September 1939) - tragic events at the beginning of the Polish campaign of 1939 during the aggression of the Third Reich, as a result of which Initially, during the liquidation of the sabotage groups of the Third Reich, the Polish military, militia units and volunteers killed a significant number of persons of German nationality (including Polish citizens living in the city of Bydgoszcz and residents of the Gdansk region). "
        It was, on Wiki ... pefu. Pedii. Visit an optometrist.
        1. dmb
          dmb 3 September 2014 14: 25
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          Thank you for the advice. as expected, Kolya squeaked: both by date and number of deaths. Blaming the Poles in this situation is tantamount to blaming our own, hollowing Bandera. or the latter also belong to the civilian population? By the way, the Vigilant Falcon, and how did you get to the Wiki article? Nimble Kohl obviously not in vain mentioned only the German name, because in Wiki the name is Polish, and the link you proposed does not work.
  23. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 3 September 2014 12: 17
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    "" The dismemberment of Russia is at the heart of the Polish policy in the east ... "- so what has changed since that time? ..
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 3 September 2014 12: 51
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      Now this is no longer a Polish policy (mongrels on the choke should not have their own policies by rank), but a policy of phhington and bedding from the EU
  24. lex loci
    lex loci 3 September 2014 12: 44
    +1
    And Poland, as always, acts as a provocateur, a sort of jackal Tabaki with megalomania. But the owners usually throw it as soon as they use it. A kind of rubber product, disposable. The most amazing thing is that their role is multiple. Okay, the French Germans are usually warriors, the Anglo-Saxons are schemers. So they are trying for their own good. And the Poles are ready to lay their heads for others.

    In general, a very new, old look at that war. Another confirmation that everything was directed against Russia, only as usual (that of Hitler, that of al-Qaeda, now ISIS, etc.) at the last moment, a carefully cherished terrorist bites everyone, including the owner ....
  25. nomad74
    nomad74 3 September 2014 12: 56
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    Quote: Egoza
    And I think that if the partition of Ukraine begins now, then the Poles will certainly climb, and here Bandera will win back for them for the defeat in the SE. And it is still unknown who whom in this case.

    It would be interesting how the bickering between these dogs would end!
  26. African
    African 3 September 2014 14: 07
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    They say about the Russian peasant: - until the thunder strikes, he crosses himself. About the Poles, one can say: - how many times do not hit on the forehead, will not be baptized, how many stakes on the head are not crowded, there will be no sense.
  27. 1-ST Engineer
    1-ST Engineer 3 September 2014 14: 08
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    Yes, for me, the opening of 5000 Germans in one city was chopped with sabers and peaks, this is not even villainy, but genocide - it is not even discussed here, it was necessary to give a clear answer ... well, the Poles got it.
  28. goose
    goose 3 September 2014 16: 39
    +1
    No one denies that the strength of the Polish army in 1939 was slightly less than that of Germany.
    Technical equipment was also quite up to standard.
    It was a dangerous opponent of the German army. Together with the French, it is murderous.
  29. Bosk
    Bosk 3 September 2014 22: 17
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    The secret protocols most likely were because practically any diplomatic negotiations discuss which issues are not subject to disclosure. The fact that Poland had modern aircraft at that time was also untrue, as soon as they were at the level of the 20s, they were just more modern tanks and planes and the Poles were well aware that they could not defeat the Germans and therefore they had a plan to exhaust Germans on the defensive and after some time with the help of the French and the English will defeat the enemy in its own territory. Yes, and at the expense of the negotiations of the Anglo-French delegation in Moscow, the 39th, as the information slipped that Stalin insisted on expanding the sphere of influence of the USSR militarily in the Baltic countries and eastern Europe ... The British were categorically against it, but the French really didn’t the British outweighed, but when the Germans offered it, they agreed, because as I understand it, it didn’t matter where they sent their tank columns to Moscow from ...
    1. Kassandra
      Kassandra 4 September 2014 15: 26
      +1
      Now, if the Poles want to live in a separate state, then let them live. At that time, the tradition of 1612 and 1812 was still fresh when they were well noted in the Urals (the Stroganov treasures) under the same Borodino. And about the same 1920, although they were no longer fighting with the Russians but with the Trotskyists (but the lands were then occupied by the Russians / Ukrainian / Belorussians — the lands that were taken from them in 1939, where they treated people like cattle).
      Secret protocols most likely were. and what was in them was not in our favor - Hitler in 1939 simply confronted Stalin with the fact that he would invade Poland, which was almost entirely part of the Russian Empire within its borders.
      If Stalin "attacked" Poland, he did it on September 1, and Warsaw would be Soviet. and in a share with Hitler this would be true. That is, the Germans would have got almost nothing at all. But the division of Poland took place mainly along the Curzon line and was therefore not profitable for Russia. Although it was reasonable not to allow the Germans to be near Minsk back in 1939. Why on the Curzon line - because the security of Poland was guaranteed by England and France. And from the USSR too! But in the negotiations of 1920, they insisted on this line, for which Poland went far to the East, occupying the East Slavic lands. To the east of it, Poles do not live in large numbers.
      The demarcation lines are naturally set in advance so that then the troops do not collide in the field, when the Germans would have to be kicked out for it - the Soviet leadership in fact showed Hitler a line beyond which he could not enter on the map. Therefore, there is nothing reprehensible in the protocols. There is nothing reprehensible in their secrecy either, because Curzon, having drawn his line, did this not with a diplomatic note with the right to privacy of correspondence, but without fear did it through the media, showing himself to the whole world as an ordinary street boor.
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 4 September 2014 20: 57
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        Curzon's line ... you know very much, maybe, thanks for the information, as I have not forgotten about it ... you can even say that I "did not keep" in my head ...
        1. Kassandra
          Kassandra 4 September 2014 21: 30
          +1
          There is not even an emphasis on it, but that the USSR was accused of the "secret protocols".
          The question is, what kind of contract is it without protocols? And, in fact, why should someone else know about some of its details? Everything was correct and logical: Poland was offered collective defense against Hitler - it refused, Poland was offered collective defense with Czechoslovakia - it refused to transit Soviet troops through its territory to Czechoslovakia (the USSR did not have a common border with Czechoslovakia at that time). The Poles, of course, had doubts after the war of 1919-1920, although communism in the USSR had changed completely the day before (from Trotskyism with its world revolution to Stalinism), but was it possible, at least in the case of Czechoslovakia, to work out some options? This means that they did not want to, for which they melted when they were given their full right to defend themselves from Hitler themselves, and in order to avoid "mutual attack" in Poland, they secretly drew a line along the line of this Curzon, beyond which he was not supposed to go. Because the Poles with whom he decided to make war there are no longer there for her! There are Soviet compatriots who were under the Polish occupation 19 years earlier.
          That's all!
  30. tokens2
    tokens2 4 September 2014 21: 40
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    A girl announcing a round in boxing is about the role of Poland at that time.
    1. Kassandra
      Kassandra 5 September 2014 00: 53
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      Stalin put the Polish soldier in second place, in front of the German.
  31. Molot1979
    Molot1979 28 March 2020 10: 21
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    The word "anti-tank" was omitted in the sentence about French heavy tanks. I strongly doubt that B1bis would have survived a meeting not only with K18 or K39, but even with "akht-koma-aht". A serious article should not contain tact mistakes.