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American experts laughed at the Chinese submarine project, which will reach speeds above 5 thousand kilometers per hour

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Last week, Chinese military designers announced the start of work on the next generation submarine project, which will move at a speed of more than 5-th thousand km / h. According to them, she will be able to cross the Pacific Ocean (from Shanghai to San Francisco) in 1 an hour 40 minutes. American experts called the project ridiculous. Reports about it Gearmix, with reference to the site of the English edition of the Independent.



The publication explains that "the new submarine will work on the basis of supercavitation - a method of accelerating underwater movements, which was first developed by the Soviets in the 60-ies, but so far applied only to torpedoes."

It is reported that "the method is implemented using a special nose fairing that creates a gas bubble that surrounds the vessel, and since the air is less dense than water, the vessel, while in this bubble, can move faster."

Nevertheless, the implementation of this method in practice is extremely difficult due to technical problems related primarily to the control of the boat (water is needed for the rudders) and air compression in the bow of the ship at such speeds.

“But the very thought of submarines with nuclear missiles on board, capable of circling the globe in half a day, is staggering”- writes the author of the publication.

According to the newspaper, "so far one of the fastest torpedoes working on this principle - the Soviet" Squall "- develops the maximum speed in 416 km per hour, and the speed of the modern German torpedo" Superkavitierender Unterwasserlaufkörper "does not exceed 450 km per hour."

Chinese researchers, on the other hand, claim that their management team decided to create a “liquid membrane with varying friction in different parts of the vessel.” According to scientists, “combining liquid membrane technology with supercavitation can significantly reduce launch problems and simplify ship control at cruising speed.”

American experts laughed at the Chinese submarine project, which will reach speeds above 5 thousand kilometers per hour


American weapons specialist Norman Friedman, in turn, points to the fact that "even supercavitating torpedoes are good only for a sprint and are not able to swim further than 3000 meters." According to him, “for submarines, this range can be extended to 72 km, but a sharp increase in the distance and speed of movement seems to be a transition from scientific research to science fiction.”
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 2 September 2014 17: 46
    +16
    According to them, she will be able to cross the Pacific Ocean (from Shanghai to San Francisco) in 1 hour 40 minutes. American experts called the project ridiculous.


    I wonder who the Chinese stole such a project from ... go to Captain NEMO.
    1. Vi_RUS
      Vi_RUS 2 September 2014 17: 51
      +2
      Go, they got infected with UkROSMIshny syndromes, or their maydaun bit! Poor Chinese, how do you want to be the first, but alas, there is Russia and so far nothing will help them)))
      1. Canep
        Canep 2 September 2014 18: 27
        +14
        Quote: Vi_RUS
        Poor Chinese, how do you want them to be first

        If you did not know about the Shkval torpedo and you would be told that under water you can move at a speed of 500 km / h, I think the reaction would be the same. The Chinese, at least, are not going to build a starship, and there is a medicine provided for cutting the budget dough - a pill weighing 9 grams for intracranial use.

        Here is another question, imagine that something weighing several tens or hundreds of tons is moving under water at a speed of 5000 km / h, the question is backfill: what height will the wave be on the surface of the ocean? and how much will this boat be invisible?
        1. Maksim...
          Maksim... 2 September 2014 18: 33
          0
          and a cut is provided for a budget dough - a pill weighing 9 grams for intracranial use.

          Such a "medicine" can and does work, but not always as prevention.
        2. dr.star75
          dr.star75 2 September 2014 18: 41
          +9
          5000 km / h is probably a fantasy, like a manned expedition to Mars, but if they reach an underwater speed of at least 100 km / h, there will be a breakthrough, then sshamam will no longer be laughing
          1. severniy
            severniy 2 September 2014 20: 21
            +2
            Yes, and develop 5 tyr mona, we’ll plant it in the engine compartment .... say half a billion fighters, the transmission system of stars from the shimano, and .. oppa !!! so it’s possible to use it as they say ...
        3. Vorlon
          Vorlon 2 September 2014 18: 52
          0
          There will be no wave.
          1. inkass_98
            inkass_98 3 September 2014 07: 02
            +1
            The approximate consequences of the transition of the sound barrier under water can be seen here:
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 3 September 2014 07: 16
              0
              Are you talking about a circle on the water? So this is a shock wave, it moves at a lower speed.
        4. iConst
          iConst 2 September 2014 18: 55
          +11
          Americans just torn their stomachs when they heard about the Flurry. When it was confirmed, the grin became crooked.

          But here, when you consider that the submarine will be inhabited - I think the Chinese have overdone it. Or a new variety of tea was bred - abruptly dill dill.
          The point is not even the technology of achieving such a speed - combat fighters have buried themselves in the "ceiling" - the overload on the pilot has already reached the limit of even a trained person.

          Imagine that on the way of such a boat there will be a major hindrance - an undead sperm whale.

          Quote: Canep
          : what height will the wave be on the surface of the ocean?

          There shouldn't be a wave - cavitation. There will be a track-track of a dynamic impact from a collapsing cavitation bubble and a few gas bubbles.
          1. arane
            arane 2 September 2014 19: 43
            +14
            There will be no wave. But this is nonsense! By the way, I shot a barrage.
            Let's just think about it. A submarine is not a plane. By the way, planes do not fly at that speed, and they don’t have to bother with the carpet!
            Well, let the underwater displacement be 1000 tons. Let them decide the issue of management and cover. Fuck with him! Those. we have the air resistance that this thing overcomes in motion.
            Do you have physicists? Who will calculate what engine power should be, so that a canoe with a mass of 1000 t moves at a speed of 5800 km.h. in the air? This engine is definitely not a screw or water cannon. At the moment - only a jet engine.

            Calculated power? Now calculate how much rocket fuel is needed for this engine to work for at least an hour!
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 2 September 2014 19: 58
              +4
              Quote: arane
              Now calculate how much rocket fuel is needed for this engine to work for at least an hour!

              Yes, milligrams!
              Why even TNWs, engines on antimatter will already be used here!
              Use cases already _
              1. arane
                arane 2 September 2014 21: 52
                +3
                I didn’t think something. Really laughing
            2. Wedmak
              Wedmak 2 September 2014 20: 00
              +2
              This engine is definitely not a screw or water cannon. At the moment - only a jet engine.

              Now, as far as I know, the only engines capable of such a speed are direct-flow reactive and rocket (two boots are a pair, in general). But the first starts to work at a speed greater than 3000 km / h, and the second should, in addition to fuel, have an oxidizer reserve. So neither one nor the other will work again.
              1. arane
                arane 2 September 2014 23: 03
                +3
                In fact, I meant the second, fuel + oxidizer. All right. It’s difficult, a lot, hard, voluminous and dangerous.
                Well, you can stick a removable solid fuel laughing
                And back how? A brake?
                I want to see it wassat
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 3 September 2014 07: 08
                  0
                  Quote: arane
                  And back how?

                  As far as I remember, our planet has the shape of a geoid, well, it is round!
                  Quote: arane
                  A brake?

                  See above .
                  Quote: arane
                  I want to see it

                  Mmm, honestly, here I have no such desire and I do not advise you, well, if you watch satellite video.
                  hi
              2. gridasov
                gridasov 3 September 2014 10: 33
                0
                Yes! But the turbo-fuel supercharger in such rocket engines still work on the physical principle of operation of the propeller. And the propeller has the limits of its indestructible rotation, and depends on the radius thereof. Therefore, the key task is how to overcome these non-destructive limits of rotation.
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 3 September 2014 11: 45
                  0
                  Fuel is also different. You can supply fuel simply by pumping pressure into the tank. There are many ways and without a screw.
            3. severniy
              severniy 2 September 2014 20: 24
              +1
              Quote: arane
              There will be no wave. But this is nonsense! By the way, I shot a barrage.
              Let's just think about it. A submarine is not a plane. By the way, planes do not fly at that speed, and they don’t have to bother with the carpet!
              Well, let the underwater displacement be 1000 tons. Let them decide the issue of management and cover. Fuck with him! Those. we have the air resistance that this thing overcomes in motion.
              Do you have physicists? Who will calculate what engine power should be, so that a canoe with a mass of 1000 t moves at a speed of 5800 km.h. in the air? This engine is definitely not a screw or water cannon. At the moment - only a jet engine.

              Calculated power? Now calculate how much rocket fuel is needed for this engine to work for at least an hour!


              I already wrote ... do not complicate; power should be: half a milliaoda of our yellow-faced brothers .., belay Well, we can, plus or minus one hundred thousand ... winked
              1. arane
                arane 2 September 2014 23: 04
                +1
                A tree for oars will be bought from us .... laughing
            4. Wedmak
              Wedmak 2 September 2014 21: 00
              +2
              There will be no wave. But this is nonsense! By the way, I shot a barrage.

              A squall with a diameter of 533,4 mm, that is, there will be a collapse, but small. As well as "waves", diverging from this collapse, compression sections. Now imagine the collapse of a tunnel 5-6 meters in diameter !!! ALL sonars will go deaf and die, fish will float up belly, stunned animals will drown ... And if such a submarine passes along the coast? This is almost the same as an earthquake, a tsunami is provided.
              1. Mol
                Mol 2 September 2014 21: 52
                0
                It is also interesting how a submarine will maneuver at such a speed ?! Or do the designers plan that the boat will sail only along the shortest route, in a straight line from point A to point B ?! The boat lay on course, the Chinese engines cut engines at full power and flooded ahead without turning anywhere ?! laughing laughing What if, as IConst wrote above, a sperm whale appears on the submarine's path? Or another large sea dweller? A submarine of a potential enemy ... I can imagine an attempt to make an unexpected sharp maneuver, avoiding a collision, a turn. "Fast and the Furious" is resting!
                1. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 2 September 2014 22: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: mol
                  I represent an attempt to make unexpected sharp maneuver moving away from a collision, turn. "Fast and Furious" is resting!

                  Pugachev's "Cobra" and other elements of the latest aerobatics performed by Chinese submariners ... wassat
                2. Cynic
                  Cynic 3 September 2014 07: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: mol
                  Or do the designers plan that the boat will sail only along the shortest route, in a straight line from point A to point B ?!

                  Commented Above _ The boat will float in water orbit!
                  And obstacles, what are obstacles? At this speed, jump, not like a sperm whale, the mainland can!
                  Do not believe in the Asian yellow genius!

                  hi
              2. arane
                arane 2 September 2014 23: 17
                +2
                Absolutely in the hole! Here is another important point. This figovina will (I'm sure that will not be at all) fly at a shallow depth, because gas generator to create a carpet must overcome the pressure of water. With increasing depth of immersion, the power of the gas generator (and, accordingly, its size) will grow exponentially.
                At this speed, before collapse, the pit will be there to the depth of immersion.
            5. avia1991
              avia1991 3 September 2014 00: 57
              +3
              Quote: arane
              Calculated power? Now calculate how much rocket fuel is needed for this engine to work for at least an hour!

              Quote: Wedmak
              direct-flow jet and missile (two boots - a pair, in general).

              just about here! Close to the topic!
              In fact, there is really no suitable engine right now. If anyone has heard - tell me? .. But you can consider the option of using water as a "working fluid": the jet stream from the rocket engine heats up the water entering the "combustion chamber" through the ejector, and then the superheated steam, together with the plasma from the RD, through s / s nozzle flies "back"! That is, we get a jet water cannon, by the way, with a sickly thrust! Not very scientific - but similar developments have taken place. Another thing is that it will hardly be possible to accelerate this jet to 5000 km / h what
              Or maybe everything is easier ?! Maybe the Chinas have opened anti-gravity ?! Then they have problems maneuvering on the drum! .. True, it is not clear why they need a submarine then? request .. lol
          2. Canep
            Canep 2 September 2014 20: 22
            +1
            Quote: iConst
            Imagine that on the way of such a boat there will be a major hindrance - an undead sperm whale.
            I think this thing will make so much noise that dead sperm whales will be thrown ashore at distances of thousands of kilometers.
        5. skeket
          skeket 2 September 2014 21: 02
          0
          Quote: Canep
          Here is another question, imagine that something weighing several tens or hundreds of tons is moving under water at a speed of 5000 km / h, the question is backfill: what height will the wave be on the surface of the ocean? and how much will this boat be invisible?

          I had a completely different question, but what is it for? The boat should patrol quietly off the coast of a potential adversary, carrying a deadly cargo on board, and not rush under water, like an airplane.
        6. dilyanna
          dilyanna 2 September 2014 21: 37
          +1
          and what about the obstacles to the submarine?
          And so, I personally think, once stated, it means it is possible to implement the project
        7. DV69
          DV69 2 September 2014 23: 22
          +1
          Quote: Canep
          Quote: Vi_RUS
          Poor Chinese, how do you want them to be first

          If you did not know about the Shkval torpedo and you would be told that under water you can move at a speed of 500 km / h, I think the reaction would be the same. The Chinese, at least, are not going to build a starship, and there is a medicine provided for cutting the budget dough - a pill weighing 9 grams for intracranial use.

          Here is another question, imagine that something weighing several tens or hundreds of tons is moving under water at a speed of 5000 km / h, the question is backfill: what height will the wave be on the surface of the ocean? and how much will this boat be invisible?


          There will be no wave. There will be a ditch in the ocean. As for "Shkval", only much more.
        8. Evil Pole
          Evil Pole 3 September 2014 02: 51
          0
          Quote: Canep
          what height will the wave be on the surface of the ocean?

          There will be no waves at all, but about invisibility a question.
          1. arane
            arane 3 September 2014 11: 22
            +2
            But I have another question. If this crap at full speed goes to the ascent with a trim so degrees in 50 aft (dream so dream), will it go into orbit?
            1. iConst
              iConst 3 September 2014 11: 45
              0
              Quote: arane
              But I have another question. If this crap at full speed goes to the ascent with a trim so degrees in 50 aft (dream so dream), will it go into orbit?

              Actually, yes!
              With such an energy installation, it will be easier for a vessel to go out into space than to stream under water ... smile
            2. Cynic
              Cynic 3 September 2014 11: 50
              0
              Quote: arane
              will it go into orbit?

              First space velocity: 7,9 km / s for the Earth

              wink
        9. edge
          edge 3 September 2014 05: 19
          0
          Quote: Canep
          Here is another question, imagine that something weighing several tens or hundreds of tons is moving under water at a speed of 5000 km / h, the question is backfill: what height will the wave be on the surface of the ocean? and how much will this boat be invisible?

          In addition, there are sea currents, islands, shallows, areas with a different density of water (heavy water), marine vegetation, wildlife and features of the underwater terrain. The Chinese people really want to prove that they are also great ....... navigators, engineers etc. Because yelling, it’s only yelling, that’s what they are using other people's best practices, giving them to their own.
    2. Snake831
      Snake831 2 September 2014 17: 52
      +4
      For China, which copies everything and everything, the availability of such technologies is doubtful. However, what the hell is not joking.
    3. Nychego
      Nychego 2 September 2014 17: 56
      +5
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      from whom the Chinese stole such a project ... go to Captain NEMO.

      Jules Verne's unwritten novel 20 Leagues Under the Sea in 000 Hours was read.
      1. spech
        spech 2 September 2014 18: 06
        +2
        Jules Verne's unwritten novel 20 Leagues Under the Sea in 000 Hours was read.

        ATP + sorry that only one can crying
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 2 September 2014 17: 58
      +3
      There is nothing impossible in our world, it is possible that NVO technology will be used, because we don’t know everything, we don’t know where the Americans got the stealth technology from.
      1. pilot8878
        pilot8878 2 September 2014 18: 09
        +7
        The fact is that China is a state that copies well, but with its own design idea, their school is still a bit tough. Therefore - no! The simplest example: Chinese and Russian Kalashnikov, Chinese and German car industry, Chinese and again Russian Su-27, etc.
      2. VOLOD
        VOLOD 2 September 2014 18: 09
        +1
        at the tips. one scientist who worked on a topic went there to them and they slept f 117. and since they do not taste well in Russian, the plane turned out to be not quite visible.
        1. Gromily4
          Gromily4 2 September 2014 18: 28
          +4
          No, they used his formulas for calculations. And later he found out about the aircraft and told the way how it can be found, which we use to detect it.
        2. Just Vatnik
          Just Vatnik 2 September 2014 20: 13
          0
          Indeed, there was such a thing, I read about it, even the book was written by some American writer, but there they did not have everything turned out so smoothly .....
      3. sazhka4
        sazhka4 2 September 2014 18: 10
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        we don’t know everything, we don’t know where the Americans got the stealth technology from.

        “Perhaps there is some blame for this on the part of the institute’s leadership,” continues Anatoly Koroteev. - Oh, not very actively we promoted it to life. It was a difficult time. Funding was declining, military issues were slowing down. And now, experiments in the field of radio invisibility at the Keldysh Center are not conducted actively enough. All the same funding is lacking. However, there are no analogues to non-equilibrium plasma generators abroad. Until. Indeed, from the late nineties, similar work began in the United States. "
        http://army-news.ru/2010/10/v-rossii-pridumali/
        Selling creatures ..
      4. lelikas
        lelikas 2 September 2014 18: 19
        +6
        Quote: Thought Giant
        we don’t know everything, we don’t know where the Americans got the stealth technology

        We don’t know everything, but with stealth, it’s not a question - Petr Ufimtsev, in 62 m, published the work “The method of boundary waves in the physical theory of diffraction”. From here the stealth legs grew.
      5. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 2 September 2014 18: 35
        +6
        How did the Shkval torpedo appear? In the late 60s, the Americans decided to once again squander the economy of the USSR, throwing in the misinformation that they had a torpedo developing a speed of more than 100 knots. Of course, our bosses could not tolerate such a lag. And then the appearance of the VA-111 "Shkval" torpedo in the USSR with a speed of 200 knots was like a thunderbolt. As a self-defense weapon with a nuclear head, it is very effective.
        1. spech
          spech 2 September 2014 18: 55
          +1
          throwing a disu that they had a torpedo, developing a speed of more than 100 knots.

          I watched something like a youth N / F movie, as scientists were allowed to watch a fake film about antigravity. gave the laboratory, loot,
          and freedom.
          PySy in the end did something BIG, but it flew!
      6. Krsk
        Krsk 2 September 2014 18: 38
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        we don’t know everything, we don’t know where the Americans got the stealth technology from.



        Moreover, we still do not know how to deal with it)))
    5. Ayujak
      Ayujak 2 September 2014 18: 01
      +2
      I would say with Leonardo Da Vinci.
    6. Vasek
      Vasek 2 September 2014 18: 20
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      American experts called the project ridiculous.

      No more ridiculous than the American super-hyper-sonic rocket, or innovative means of delivering goods into orbit.
    7. Stalker
      Stalker 2 September 2014 18: 26
      +2
      American experts laughed at the Chinese submarine project, which will reach speeds above 5 thousand kilometers per hour

      ... But they became thoughtful and slightly tensed belay .... If China copied it from Russia (and, as you know, "brick" copies are inferior to the original in terms of performance characteristics), then Russia will squeeze at least 10.000 km / h out of its submarines !!!! laughing
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 2 September 2014 18: 57
        +4
        then Russia will squeeze at least 10.000 km / h from its submarines !!!!

        And if the boatswain hits his fingers with a hammer, then everything within a radius of 10 km will die out from a sonic boom. winked
        1. Stalker
          Stalker 2 September 2014 19: 51
          +1
          And if the boatswain hits his fingers with a hammer, then everything within a radius of 10 km will die out from a sonic boom


          Respect !!!! I think that you were mistaken, that’s exactly 20 miles !!! laughing good
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 2 September 2014 19: 56
            +2
            I think that you were mistaken, that way 20 miles for sure

            This depends on the experience of the boatswain ... laughing
            1. arane
              arane 3 September 2014 11: 26
              +1
              more precisely from his vocabulary
    8. Wedmak
      Wedmak 2 September 2014 18: 52
      +4
      I wonder who the Chinese stole such a project from ... go to Captain NEMO.

      Nope, I think they got to the book "The Secret of Two Oceans" - a science fiction novel by Grigory Adamov.
      Quote:
      Krepin was carried away by the idea of ​​increasing the speed of movement of the "Pioneer" by covering its body with something like slime.
      However, if it were possible to cover the surface of the "Pioneer" with artificial
      mucus, anyway, it would be continuously washed off with water. After a long search
      Krepin found a completely unexpected way out. In cases where necessary
      was to reach especially high speeds, he surrounded the body of the "Pioneer" instead
      mucus with a layer of hot steam. Using your inexhaustible reserves
      electricity, "Pioneer" with its help heated the entire outer hull of the submarine
      to a temperature of two thousand degrees. At this temperature, a small layer
      the surrounding water instantly turned into steam. Due to fast movement
      submarines more and more new layers of water came into contact with her
      a heated surface, continuously creating a continuous around it
      gaseous shell. This eliminated the friction of water and friction arose in
      gaseous medium, the density of which, however, was more significant than
      the density of atmospheric air, but many times lower than the density of water.
      Steam forming around the submarine as soon as it moves away from a given point,
      immediately cooled under the influence of ambient low temperature and
      turned again into water, not reaching the surface, in the form of bubbles.


      Read, the described submarine is absolutely fantastic. The Chinese are resting.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 2 September 2014 19: 34
        +2
        water, as soon as it starts to move, begins to form jets. In a turbulent flow, nodes are formed at which the flow direction changes from the compression vector to the expansion vector. This causes cavitation. So here between the layers of water there are break-in layers of a rotating stream, which allows the cavitation-free flow of some layers in relation to others. Therefore, in fast-floating and others, the surface layer is always wet. Technically, this is not very difficult.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 2 September 2014 19: 46
          0
          Therefore, in fast-floating and others, the surface layer is always wet. Technically, this is not very difficult.

          It is not a matter of sputum, but just the fact of ensuring an irrotational flow, this time. And second, how to reduce the drag of water? Already at a speed of 60 km / h, it becomes very unpleasant, almost solid.
          1. Stalker
            Stalker 2 September 2014 20: 05
            +2
            It is not a matter of sputum, but just the fact of ensuring an irrotational flow

            In Soviet times, dolphins and the ability of their skin to smooth out the wave arising when moving at high speed due to a layer of fat were studied. And the speed of dolphins under water is up to 50 km. hour .... But it is in living beings. And technically it can be increased .... hi
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 2 September 2014 20: 10
              0
              and the ability of their skin due to the layer of fat to smooth out the wave that occurs when moving at high speed

              Due to the elasticity of the skin, yes .. but have we gone further? I read once, about research on shark skin, there is another picture - micro grooves, plates, etc. So think about how to implement it technically ...
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 2 September 2014 20: 30
                +1
                Quote: Wedmak
                Due to skin elasticity, yes ..

                More precisely, the creation and management of the microrelief of the skin, which without its elasticity is naturally impossible.
                Quote: Wedmak
                but have you gone further?

                As far as I remember, the presence of an elastic coating on the outer shell of our nuclear submarines not only prevented their direction finding but also increased their speed.
                hi
                1. Stalker
                  Stalker 2 September 2014 20: 39
                  +1
                  As far as I remember, the presence of an elastic coating on the outer shell of our nuclear submarines not only prevented their direction finding but also increased their speed.

                  Thats exactly what I mean hi
              2. Stalker
                Stalker 2 September 2014 20: 43
                0
                I read once about shark skin research,

                The shark is rather weak !!! only up to 35 km.hour !!!
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 3 September 2014 07: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Stalker
                  The shark is rather weak !!! only up to 35 km.hour !!!

                  Well, actually 25 knots, and that's a little more.
                  But essentially true, even Premier League Anchar with his record 44.7 node resting!
          2. gridasov
            gridasov 2 September 2014 21: 17
            0
            I argue because the question is not the wetness itself, but the fact that a highly dynamic layer of water does not form a polarization with a layer in the body. The surface of the outflow is not in direct contact with the water layer in which the compression and rarefaction region is formed. If in a barrage cavitation is created by a finely dispersed known substance in contact with water, a chemical occurs. reaction, then there is a so-called. a turbine that allows in the compression area in front of a boat or aircraft to perceive and concentrate the flow in such a way that the flow around the surface of the object increases. Remember Schauberger. Only Schauberger has no algorithmic solution to use the Coanda effect. And he is very necessary
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 2 September 2014 21: 26
              +1
              that a highly dynamic layer of water does not form a polarization with a layer in the housing

              nifiga did not understand ... what is such a polarization in water? and how does it relate to friction at the boundary of a solid, gas, and liquid?
              then there is a so-called. a turbine that allows in the compression area in front of a boat or aircraft to perceive and concentrate the flow in such a way that the flow around the surface of the object increases

              I don’t understand at all ...
              Remember Schauberger. Only Schauberger has no algorithmic solution to use the Coanda effect.

              I do not know these comrades. I only know that wet, not always slippery.
        2. mpa945
          mpa945 2 September 2014 20: 27
          0
          always wet

          Mm Soft ... it will be more accurate
    9. olegff68
      olegff68 2 September 2014 20: 03
      +1
      ... a submarine ... which will move at a speed of more than 5 thousand km / h.

      And successfully boil the world's oceans. wassat
      lol
      1. Stalker
        Stalker 2 September 2014 20: 09
        +1
        And successfully boil the world's oceans.

        Please indicate the route, all fishermen come running ears to eat !!!!! laughing
    10. Tourist
      Tourist 2 September 2014 21: 14
      0
      Quote: The same Lech
      According to them, she will be able to cross the Pacific Ocean (from Shanghai to San Francisco) in 1 hour 40 minutes. American experts called the project ridiculous.


      I wonder who the Chinese stole such a project from ... go to Captain NEMO.

      A little later: the writer Adamov, moreover, increasing the speed of the boat in his dreams by 2 orders of magnitude.
  2. Tan4ik
    Tan4ik 2 September 2014 17: 49
    +4
    Ridiculous. I imagined how a second later it would crash into the first reef or something.
  3. zao74
    zao74 2 September 2014 17: 49
    +4
    Not an expert, but it really looks like a fantasy.
    1. Owl
      Owl 2 September 2014 17: 54
      +3
      Well, flights into space not so long ago were also considered fiction, and now it's quite an ordinary thing
      1. lord
        lord 2 September 2014 18: 28
        +2
        science fiction science fiction ...
    2. 23 region
      23 region 2 September 2014 17: 57
      +6
      Quote: zao74
      Not an expert, but it really looks like a fantasy.

      Yes, they just troll the Yankees.
  4. DMB-88
    DMB-88 2 September 2014 17: 50
    +3
    From the Chinese now, anything can be expected! wassat
    1. Rimsler2014
      Rimsler2014 2 September 2014 17: 54
      +2
      one can expect from them, but such a fantasy can come up with the HOLYWOOD Toko, once again I will repeat to create this submarine
      1. Vasek
        Vasek 2 September 2014 18: 23
        +2
        Quote: Rimsler2014
        once again I repeat to create this submarine is unrealistic

        yet.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 2 September 2014 21: 21
          +1
          There is a solution, in principle. I wonder if it coincides with ours. Of course, everything is still in scientific justification, but we are solving the problem as complex transformations, but how are they?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 2 September 2014 21: 29
            +1
            There is a solution, in principle.

            Tell me please. Only human language, not complex transformations.
            1. iConst
              iConst 2 September 2014 21: 38
              +1
              Quote: Wedmak
              Tell me please. Only in human language, not complex transformations

              “Captain, where to sail to America?”
              - southwest southwest
              - Don’t be smart, you show me a hand ...

              laughing
            2. gridasov
              gridasov 3 September 2014 01: 11
              0
              Everyone knows that when a liquid or gases flows along a metal surface, it sticks corny. However, this is evident only when the liquid breaks off this surface. Studies show that any liquid or gases ionize the surface of the outflow. And we figured out how this happens vectorically. That is, how the liquid jets are defined so that they create a polarization between the liquid and the surface. But in turbulent high-potential states of the flow of the stream, there are algorithmic differences depending on the remoteness of the layer from the surface. Complexity also considers such a relationship of simultaneous changes in the level of polarization on the surface of, for example, a screw and simultaneously in the fluid flow. That is, at each point of a certain space of a liquid, transformations occur, which are also determined by the composition of the substance of which this liquid consists. So, in fact, the most highly ionizing surface of the outflow is liquid metal. Does he even know how the substance of this liquid metal cavitates? One can only assume what the potential difference will be on the blades of the turbine we created if this substance of the flow is in the closed loop of the ionizing surface. I hope I just made it clear.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 3 September 2014 07: 05
                0
                Nifiga is not easy. Either I did not finish my studies at the university, or you operate on higher matters. True, we did not have aero- and hydrodynamics. Apparently from there all these obscure phrases.
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 3 September 2014 11: 06
                  0
                  I do not blame anyone for not perceiving what I'm talking about. The fact is that understanding the very essence of the organization of a new algorithmic process is preceded by the formation of a highly productive analysis. In order to discover something new, at least it is necessary to have comprehensive information about absolutely all the studies of scientists throughout the entire existence of man. Sorry, but if you do not know Schauberger’s research and the IAFF project, and much more, then it’s worth asking.
                  1. iConst
                    iConst 3 September 2014 11: 11
                    0
                    Quote: gridasov
                    In order to discover something new, at least it is necessary to have comprehensive information about absolutely all the studies of scientists throughout the entire existence of man.

                    This is true, but only in relation to evolutionary progress.
                    In the case of the revolutionary - it can play (and usually is) a negative role - to put stereotypical barriers in the way of researchers.

                    Not?
                    1. gridasov
                      gridasov 3 September 2014 11: 25
                      0
                      Well, this is how you dispose! After all, there is information that seems not to be perceived, but it is still there. And often this is breakthrough information
                2. arane
                  arane 3 September 2014 11: 36
                  +1
                  Rather, hydrophysics! Got percent 30! I'm dumb request
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov 3 September 2014 11: 53
                    0
                    Do not think so. The whole topic of the discussion addresses the issues of highly dynamic high-capacity physical. processes. But the analysis is carried out by each as a static or laminar process. Understand that cavitation is a part, it is a short period of transformation of the flow and substance of the medium. It is part of a complex of all changes and transformations not only in the medium, but also on the surface and inside the object. Therefore, the completeness of the analysis can be ensured by a mathematical method identical to that going on. Therefore, in order to create something effective, one must first possess the mathematical tools of such a complete and highly dynamic analysis.
              2. Cynic
                Cynic 3 September 2014 07: 33
                0
                Quote: gridasov
                It can only be assumed what the potential difference will be on the blades of the turbine we created if this flow substance is in the closed loop of the ionizing surface.

              3. arane
                arane 3 September 2014 11: 34
                +1
                Damn, Gaidar right!
    2. gdv
      gdv 2 September 2014 21: 03
      0
      not in vain they got tired !!! the question is how interesting is so abstract, if not just one - BUT - !!!! if only they didn’t get a cocoa thread, technology of inhuman hands is up !!! if they wanted to copy something they would not have warned anyone, they would simply have confronted the fact as they usually do, but here the whole world is right !!! means something they have but how they can’t understand !!!!!
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  5. Rimsler2014
    Rimsler2014 2 September 2014 17: 50
    +6
    complete bullshit, it’s not realistic to create a submarine at such a speed, now combat fighters do not even develop such speed, I’m completely silent about submarines
    1. DMB-88
      DMB-88 2 September 2014 17: 59
      +4
      Quote: Rimsler2014
      complete bullshit, to create a submarine at such a speed is not realistic


      I put you +, but I note that 10 years ago no one believed in the Chinese auto industry .........
      1. Rimsler2014
        Rimsler2014 2 September 2014 18: 13
        +5
        the Chinese auto industry 10 years ago, this is completely different, but so that the submarine could develop such a speed, such a speed would be impossible even if a thermonuclear reactor was installed on their submarine. Duck here is the answer 10 years ago no one knew that a referendum would be held in Crimea after which it would become part of Russia
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 2 September 2014 18: 58
        +3
        that 10 years ago no one believed in the Chinese auto industry

        I still don’t really believe.
      3. mpa945
        mpa945 2 September 2014 20: 35
        0
        Almost the first time I disagree with you.
        that 10 years ago no one believed in the Chinese auto industry .........

        The car is not a spaceship, but the Chinese were able to space.
        But with the boat ...
        It seems to me that this problem is of the same order as the creation of an operating thermonuclear reactor. Moreover, in transport dimensions. And over the past 40 years, real progress in this direction is something invisible ... And not only among the Chinese.
  6. nvn_co
    nvn_co 2 September 2014 17: 51
    +3
    The Chinese are still trolls ... They are harnessing, and those experts were directly attracted ... Mona is not a mona, but let them sit and think and coward ... But the Chinese are well done laughing oh well done ...
  7. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 2 September 2014 17: 51
    +4
    The Chinese invented gunpowder .. so I think it’s not worth laughing. China is a closed country and the scientific potential (as well as economic) now has a high development potential .. Anything can happen! (Have we been steamed ..?))))
    1. pilot8878
      pilot8878 2 September 2014 18: 01
      +4
      stop The question arises: what is the required propulsion power? Take an interest in leisure, what is the thrust of fighter-interceptors, of missiles. Calculate the ratio with body weight and take into account the resistance of AIR, and not much denser water, which, even with a bubble of air, even with your chest, must be pushed. recourse
      And so yes, the news amused. lol
      1. Vasek
        Vasek 2 September 2014 18: 26
        +2
        Quote: pilot8878
        propulsion power?

        wassat
        and what is it measured in?
        recourse
      2. gridasov
        gridasov 2 September 2014 21: 25
        0
        The axial shift of the shaft pump at a known capacity of about 10 tons. This is not to mention the reaction of the output stream. So that is quite comparable with the most efficient aircraft engine.
        1. Vasek
          Vasek 3 September 2014 00: 36
          0
          Quote: gridasov
          The axial shift of the shaft pump at a known capacity of about 10 tons. This is not to mention the reaction of the output stream. So that is quite comparable with the most efficient aircraft engine.

          So where, after all, is the "propulsion power" measured?
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 3 September 2014 01: 15
            0
            It seems to me that it’s more logical to choose not the measure of power, but what kind of potential the mover forms at the input of the moving flow and at the output and in relation to this medium
            1. arane
              arane 3 September 2014 11: 44
              +1
              Well, give the answer, what is the minimum diameter at maximum speed (you should not forget cavitation) to have a propeller to create the necessary output power for the movement of an object weighing 1000 tons at a speed of 5800 km.h.

              If you are going to row a screw ...
              And yet, offhand, when transmitting torque to such a screw from the motor shaft, it is not the screw that starts to rotate, but the object itself laughing
              Although, you can solve the problem with a coaxial screw of different rotation or two shaft lines
              1. Vasek
                Vasek 3 September 2014 17: 13
                0
                Quote: arane
                You can solve the problem with the coaxial screw

                Most likely, at those speeds, you should forget about the screw in general.
    2. DMB-88
      DMB-88 2 September 2014 18: 04
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      The Chinese invented gunpowder .. so I think it's not worth laughing


      Here and Mikhan, Hello !!!
      I agree, by the way, in the USSR, similar developments were carried out and received quite serious results, as evidenced by our torpedoes "SHKVAL". Many secret developments in the 90s ended up in China as well.
      Py-Sy. 20 years ago, mobile communications seemed fantastic! what
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 2 September 2014 18: 39
        +2
        Hi DMB ..! hi
        Quote: DMB-88

        20 years ago, mobile communications seemed fantastic!
        Here I am talking about this .. (and now it’s not just a little thing for communication, it’s a mini computer .. I remember Win 3.11 (graphics) after DOS there 5.00 6.22) I didn’t believe ... 5.25 inch floppy disks (huge ones)) ) The jump was sharp and now I feel it will be even cooler .. I hope in Russia there is something to oppose if that! Or maybe that’s cooler ...
        1. DMB-88
          DMB-88 2 September 2014 18: 45
          +4
          Quote: MIKHAN
          I hope in Russia there is something to oppose if that! Or maybe that’s cooler ...

          Old man, I hope so too! Yes, and to know everything We are not supposed to!
          And I also want the military-industrial complex to breathe deeply, as in the Union! hi
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 2 September 2014 19: 55
            0
            Quote: DMB-88
            Quote: MIKHAN
            I hope in Russia there is something to oppose if that! Or maybe that’s cooler ...

            Old man, I hope so too! Yes, and to know everything We are not supposed to!
            And I also want the military-industrial complex to breathe deeply, as in the Union! hi

            I agree ... Only now it should be even cooler and more effective .. USSR in the past (he fulfilled his mission) Let's hope that there will be no global war .. And the military-industrial complex seems to be so quiet that there are a lot of technologies being developed (China is not in vain for us all presses))) (Rogozin screams ... the office burns forever) Well oh well bully
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 2 September 2014 20: 42
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      The Chinese invented gunpowder.

      The fact that it was invented by the Chinese has long been questioned. The idea of ​​China's primacy in the invention of gunpowder was thrown in not so long ago. In 1956, Professor Feng Jia-shen (People's China Journal, No. 14, July) reported that the Chinese physician Tao Hong-ching had studied the burning of saltpeter at the turn of the 5th and 6th centuries. However, Joseph Needham, who at about the same time wrote the book "Four Great Chinese Inventions", did the most to popularize the Chinese priority. It was in this book that the theses that the Chinese invented the compass, gunpowder, paper and printing earlier than anyone else were most widely voiced ...
      At one time, Noel Joseph Terence Montgomery Needham was a British "generalist" in 1965. Together with diplomat D. Brian, he founded the "Society for Anglo-Chinese Understanding", which during the years of the "Cultural Revolution" helped British citizens to visit this country. These visits of certain subjects of Her Majesty to communist China are all the more interesting if you remember that even for Soviet citizens the fraternal country was tightly closed in those years. That's when they "invented" it on "invented" paper laughing (recall the Sumerians wink ) not without the help of the individual submitted to the queen. Not only that, we recall the famous Chinese scholar with a capital letter, he is also the revered Chinese god La Madou, thanks to whom the Chinese learned about the great inventions of Europeans - mathematics, astronomy, etc. But about the great inventions of the Chinese: gunpowder, paper, a compass, this scout missionary, Italian Jesuit Matteo Ricci (in the form of the god La Madou) for some reason did not write anything ... Well, the last nail in the lid- The opinion of chemists is uncompromising: neither material , nor reliable documentary evidence that prior to the 15-16 centuries. at least somewhere (not only in China) they knew how to make gunpowder, no. Deposits of nitrate are rare, and potassium nitrate, necessary for the manufacture of stable formulations, DO NOT MEET AT ALL. The manufacture of potassium nitrate requires technological methods that appeared only with the development of chemistry in the 15-17 centuries.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 3 September 2014 07: 43
        0
        Quote: Tersky
        remember the Sumerians

        Well, if you recall Mohenjo-Daro, then the USA’s priority in nuclear weapons is also exaggerated.
        hi
  8. Telakh
    Telakh 2 September 2014 17: 52
    +6
    Flurry was also laughed for a long time. And over invisible fighters with a plasma generator. Until they saw it.
  9. navara399
    navara399 2 September 2014 17: 53
    +5
    Well, they made a mistake with zero, a typo ...
    1. Vasek
      Vasek 2 September 2014 18: 35
      +3
      Quote: navara399
      Well, they made a mistake with zero, a typo ...

      500 km / h under water is also not bad!
      The Germans could not disperse their torpedo (!) To more than 450 km / h.
      Another question:
      in the air, sometimes a bird in an engine can destroy a plane.
      And if some whale meets by chance, can this "bubble" be able to throw it away?
      I doubt it ...
  10. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 2 September 2014 17: 53
    +2
    Everything can be once ...
  11. Buran
    Buran 2 September 2014 17: 53
    +3
    It can be seen somewhere in the Russian design bureau Chinese spies were trolling. Citizens are Chinese scouts, try to check the documentation before buying. bully laughing
  12. Stiletto
    Stiletto 2 September 2014 17: 53
    +3
    American experts laughed at the Chinese submarine project, which will reach speeds above 5 thousand kilometers per hour

    ... But in vain. For the one who laughs last laughs well. Let not now, though not so simple, but the stubborn Chinese will do their job (well, or copy, as usual - if there is, from whom).
    1. Owl
      Owl 2 September 2014 17: 57
      +1
      I agree. Even if the Chinese do not make just such a submarine, but in the process of working on it they will have technology.
    2. spech
      spech 2 September 2014 18: 03
      +5
      imagine what kind of energy do you need?
  13. Igor39
    Igor39 2 September 2014 17: 55
    +6
    If they said in 1979 that the Chinese would fly into space in 20 years, no one would believe ...
  14. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 2 September 2014 17: 55
    +3
    Quote: nvn_co
    The Chinese are still trolls ... They are harnessing, and those experts were directly attracted ... Mona is not a mona, but let them sit and think and coward ... But the Chinese are well done laughing oh well done ...


    Here, again, the frame of something in the outhouse has closed. He will not, and he already has diarrhea. fellow
  15. IAlex
    IAlex 2 September 2014 17: 55
    +2
    A smart American dude just didn’t think about the fact that cavitation could be combined with hypersound in an air bubble ...
    1. Telakh
      Telakh 2 September 2014 18: 00
      +3
      And what a wonderful shock wave from supersonic under water will be ... wink
      1. Grim Reaper
        Grim Reaper 2 September 2014 18: 12
        0
        Still not supersonic :) The speed of sound under water is 1500m \ s ... However, they definitely made a mistake with zero, or trolls laughing
      2. IAlex
        IAlex 2 September 2014 18: 33
        0
        They are talking about speed, and not about real use ... Although noise will not play any role for such speeds, because you can intercept it, the shock wave diverging in circles from the hull of the boat at that speed and collapsing at its conical stern or immediately after it, it will be even faster to push it forward, such as an additional water hammer :)))
        But in general, one can praise the idea and the attempt to implement it, it will be a pity only the crew ...
        1. Alf
          Alf 2 September 2014 20: 06
          +2
          And narrow-eyed on separate islands-hauls will replenish the team.
  16. Ryndabul
    Ryndabul 2 September 2014 17: 56
    +1
    For long distances, I agree - bullshit, but if the idea is implemented for short distances, even 3-5 miles, then this is serious: bounce - hit - and leave the point of contact. And, as I understand it, the Germans are already developing the development, which means ours in the subject. There is no question: who was stolen)))
  17. Finches
    Finches 2 September 2014 17: 57
    +5
    American experts can safely go in the ass! German von Braun sent them into space, a Russian Jew Rosenberg made for them, a Russian Sikorsky helicopter, according to the formulas of Ukrainian Kondratyuk flew to the moon ..., here the nuclear bomb was bombarded under the leadership of the American Oppenheimer, and even then with a motley company! And now the flagship Apple telecommunications where to collect? In China!
    The experts would be silent better!
    1. Dali
      Dali 2 September 2014 18: 55
      +1
      And I remember the TV I made for them Zakharov, not Rosenberg ...
      1. Finches
        Finches 2 September 2014 19: 10
        +1
        Ahhhh! I wrote nonsense! Comrades, I apologize, I wrote in the car, and even on the iPad, and just after working with the articles of the fascist, war criminal Reichsleiter Rosenberg ... Of course, the inventor of the TV is Boris Rosing, professor of the St. Petersburg Technological Institute!
        I apologize, once again! So wrong - I'm not a good person! fool
  18. horoh
    horoh 2 September 2014 17: 58
    +1
    The Chinese sbatsali interesting cartoon, but what kind of development is behind all this ????
  19. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 2 September 2014 17: 58
    +7
    laughing Amer's experts ahead of the Chinese wunderwolf managed to neigh the readers of the "Military Review" laughing ..in the Americans later ignition laughing and probably the Chinese jokers were neighing before everyone else laughing
  20. Oleg NSK
    Oleg NSK 2 September 2014 17: 59
    +1
    difficult due to technical problems associated primarily with the management of the boat

    ... okay ... let not the boat ... let the torpedo ... let it be uncontrollable ... it is important that there is almost direct visibility between Shanghai and San Francisco wassat
  21. spech
    spech 2 September 2014 17: 59
    0
    damn how did they laugh fellow
  22. Boxwood
    Boxwood 2 September 2014 17: 59
    +2
    Quote: DMB-88
    From the Chinese now, anything can be expected! wassat

    Yeah, you can ... even rowers in a submarine
  23. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 2 September 2014 18: 00
    +12
    Hindus are trolling Chinese aircraft manufacturers:





  24. Pacifist
    Pacifist 2 September 2014 18: 01
    +3
    Well yes. Only I think everything will be as usual. As a result of R&D "Forgive the party, we could not make 5000. Unfortunately, we could only 300 km per hour under water." This is where the curtain and the absence of laughter will come. Any technical problem is solvable, it only needs three things. Money, incentive and resources. I think China has enough of all this. So the amerikosy need to think as if they did not have to cry.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 September 2014 21: 28
      +4
      Quote: Pacifist
      Any technical problem is solvable, for this you need only three things. Money, incentive and resources.

      Well done:
      Kaby shmuku al drawing -
      We would have started a vertice.
      Well, and so - look how much you want
      You will find the bald trait!
      (C)
      L. Filatov "About Fedot the Archer ..."

      And I naively believed that brains are also needed!
      We gave money and resources for an idea for a long time. As soon as they started giving money to those with brains, things immediately went smoothly.
      I recall the saying of my scientific advisor - "even if you get rich with lame, he still won't come to the finish line first!"
  25. leon1204id
    leon1204id 2 September 2014 18: 02
    +3
    Elementary Watson, it also says that they plan to start developing ideas. And in general, this is a stuffing info. Not only the British like to joke .....
  26. propolsky
    propolsky 2 September 2014 18: 02
    0
    Well, the yellow-faced comrades, of course, whistled mother do not worry, the Americans can even laugh ...
  27. African
    African 2 September 2014 18: 03
    +1
    I imagined what it looked like - sailed off the pier, left the bay, plunged and went at 5000 speed. Everything.
    Or another option, everything repeats until 5000, and during the year there are many new Suez channels. The Chinese did not have the brakes, the calculation error, they can’t stop.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 September 2014 21: 31
      +1
      Quote: African
      The Chinese did not have the brakes, the calculation error, they can’t stop.

      Have you tried to cut down the power plants? -- Not?
      “Well, then the mind is powerless!”laughing
  28. Iskander Khan
    Iskander Khan 2 September 2014 18: 06
    0
    From laughter it will be when the Chinese submarines snoop along the Amerov teachings to distill their torpedoes and cut them in the opposite direction.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 September 2014 21: 34
      +1
      Quote: Iskander Khan
      Chinese submarines will snoop on distillations with their torpedoes according to the Amerov teachings and cut them in the opposite direction.

      It will not work to trim: the torpedo proximity fuse will work! bully
  29. Wiruz
    Wiruz 2 September 2014 18: 08
    +1
    I bet I laughed louder laughing laughing laughing Although maybe I'm wrong ...
  30. quote
    quote 2 September 2014 18: 09
    0
    Quote: Thought Giant
    We don’t know where the Americans got the stealth technology.

    The Russians! And this is a fact. The basis for the work on the radiolocation of Ufimtsev, Pyotr Yakovlevich.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 September 2014 21: 42
      +2
      Quote: devis
      The basis of the work on the Ufimtsev radar,

      Pyotr Yakovlevich (upon returning to his homeland) honestly warned former employers that he also knows how to deal with this technology.
      the Americans naively did not believe it. As a result, we made the "Container" air defense system, which at 3000 km sees Stealths taking off from the airfield, cars scurrying along the highway and other crap.
      In vain the Americans did not believe him! Real brains don't rust!
  31. Ilotan
    Ilotan 2 September 2014 18: 11
    +2
    Oh, these tales! Oh, these storytellers! Give the cancellation of the will of the laws of physics!
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 2 September 2014 18: 15
      +1
      In general, it does not contradict the laws of physics. It is quite possible to solve the problem with friction / heating. Another thing is that it is hardly feasible at "now". BUT! Fundamental science gives results not in a year or two, and maybe in 100 years ... In any case, if this is not a mistake in order and not a simple bending of fingers, China will have technologies for the future
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 3 September 2014 01: 26
      -1
      А почему так сложно понимать , что любой объект в природе обладает определенным внешним потенциалом, а значит есть и поляризация с пространством внешней среды. Значит если в диапазоне заданного параметра работает генератор , то и определять он будет не посылая импульс и получая отраженный, а только принимая . И такой генератор известен давно.
  32. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 2 September 2014 18: 18
    0
    We know many great things in the West - Socrates, Pythagoras, Leonardo, Bacon, Lomonosov, Tesla ... And with the Oriental - it’s not so clear. We know from all the vast history of the East about 15 people, no more. Now the question is - did they invent everything we needed 2000 years ago and calm down, or what? Everything goes on as usual. They steal (well arranged), they will steal, so what do we need to say hello to them?
  33. Andrew 58
    Andrew 58 2 September 2014 18: 20
    +2
    Quote: The same Lech


    I wonder who the Chinese stole such a project from ... go to Captain NEMO.

    Once in my youth I read a fantastic book by a Soviet author, whose name, unfortunately, I did not remember. So there the submarine operated on almost the same principle. Due to the heating of the skin, the water around the boat instantly boiled, forming a steam "bubble" in which the boat raced at supersonic speed))) So that everything is new, this is a well re-read old)))
    1. Witch
      Witch 2 September 2014 18: 37
      +2
      Quote: Andrey 58
      Once in my youth I read a fantastic book by a Soviet author, whose name, unfortunately, I did not remember. So there the submarine operated on almost the same principle. Due to the heating of the skin, the water around the boat instantly boiled, forming a steam "bubble" in which the boat raced at supersonic speed))) So that everything is new, this is a well re-read old)))


      The mystery of two oceans, Adam ....
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 3 September 2014 01: 29
      -1
      Just not heating the skin, but creating a potential difference between the surface of the outlet and the water of the external environment.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 3 September 2014 07: 09
        0
        In the novel it is heating up! To 2000 degrees Celsius.
  34. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 2 September 2014 18: 20
    0
    Now it’s hard to tell a simple person where fiction is, where reality begins. Therefore, let scientists argue on this subject. But if the Chinese said this, then you do not need to think that they were simply throwing words. Wait and see what happens.
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 2 September 2014 18: 24
      +1
      Developed science - indistinguishable from magic (s) A. Clark like ....
  35. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 2 September 2014 18: 22
    +3
    Well, a little for the mood. (I will ferry a little) Great UKRs claim that they invented the alphabet, fire and wheel! Other countries do not dispute, they simply modestly notice that when UKR invented the alphabet and the wheel, half the planet already flew into space ..... winked
  36. Nitarius
    Nitarius 2 September 2014 18: 26
    +1
    Do not underestimate the CHINESE!
    There is a long technology .. and not only underwater! so that in vain you do not trust China!
  37. Everest2014
    Everest2014 2 September 2014 18: 28
    +1
    In 1895, William Thomson (Lord Kelvin), president of the London Royal Society for the Advancement of Nature, declared: "Flying vehicles heavier than air are impossible." The statement at that time seemed quite reasonable.

    Another thing is if this wonderful submarine is realized, its crew will not turn into a paste?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 September 2014 23: 06
      +3
      Quote: everest2014
      if this marvelous submarine is realized

      Then you need to get the answer to the following questions:
      - what will such a submarine hear if, even at a speed of 20 or more submarine nodes, modern boats stall and go blind;
      - what will she do if she suddenly jammed the steering wheels for a dive?
      - what will happen if a submerged object, a sperm whale or some other underwater obstacle gets in its way?
      - how to use weapons at such a speed? means of communication and navigation?
      - What do you think: at what distance SOSUS will hear this miracle of underwater engineering?
      - (they already asked about the crew’s well-being, I won’t repeat myself!)
      - Do khinchiks have an anti-gravity device? if not, what kind of power does the engine need to provide such a speed?
      You can still ask questions, but I think this is enough. lol
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 3 September 2014 07: 10
        +1
        Do Khinchiks have an anti-gravity device?

        If there is, all questions disappear by themselves.
  38. alauda1038
    alauda1038 2 September 2014 18: 31
    0
    and estimate the Chinese managed, and the eyes of the mattresses
  39. lord
    lord 2 September 2014 18: 31
    +1
    Not only as the Chinese have established cooperation with NGOs (unidentified underwater objects). These guys are not doing it! fellow laughing
  40. SVD
    SVD 2 September 2014 18: 32
    0
    Now you can laugh at such an idea, but the world is on the verge of another technological breakthrough. And it may not be the United States ahead and that today is science fiction - tomorrow is reality.
  41. pahom54
    pahom54 2 September 2014 18: 33
    0
    Everything ever happens for the first time ... And, as a rule, pre-laughs ...
    Now read science fiction and adventure novels by Jules Verne, Alexander Belyaev, Alexei Tolstoy - almost all of what they wrote came true. And while writing novels it sounded wildly for the layman.
    I now think that some science fiction writers have a certain gift of foresight, and much of what modern writers write about will have the right to life too ...
    1. lord
      lord 2 September 2014 18: 41
      0
      Tsiolkovsky, too, was like a science fiction ... and they also laughed at him.
  42. Alfizik
    Alfizik 2 September 2014 18: 37
    0
    The Chinese are cunning. They are silent about the fact that not cavitation will be used, but the annihilation of space - the "transformation" of water into a saturated (not absolute) vacuum. For this it is necessary to construct a dynamic matrix with directed electromagnetic structures. If they succeed, then it will be possible to literally fly under water at a speed higher than stated. And let the Yankees laugh.
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 2 September 2014 18: 44
      +2
      Annihilation of space, the transformation of water into a non-absolute vacuum .. is it you Golovachev read? laughing A good author, at times ... (when his Loginov edited ... kghm ..)
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 3 September 2014 08: 10
        0
        Quote: Ecilop
        Did you read Golovachev?

        He didn’t dig that deep, it’s with Snegov in his space opera People like gods .
        So starships move there, destroying space in front of them.
        wink
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 September 2014 22: 23
      +2
      Quote: Alfizik
      not cavitation will be used, but annihilation of space - "transformation" of water into a saturated (not absolute) vacuum.
      Colleague, let's get back to the definitions of science, not fiction.
      Annihilation is "matter", not space. It is based on 100% reaction of matter and antimatter with a colossal release of energy, transformation of the original matter into energy and other elementary particles.
      "Space-time" can be bent, they can pass one into another, but they cannot be destroyed! So the annihilation of the "Space-time" continuum is canceled for now!
      Then, space is not water! (substance!) as you deigned to express yourself in your post.
      To the question of vacuum. Vacuum - (simplified) airless space (space free from matter) cannot be saturated! This is already a rarefied air (underwater?) Space with a certain content of substance molecules. Thus, the very concept of "vacuum" loses its physical meaning.
      Sincerely. hi
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 3 September 2014 01: 33
        -1
        absolutely right - no air. BUT what is there if there is no substance that creates both radial pressure and qualitative properties
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 3 September 2014 07: 13
          0
          Mr. Gridasov, please explain yourself in Russian. And then the brain breaks down in an attempt to understand how the substance creates radial pressure and what.
  43. FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 2 September 2014 18: 40
    0
    I think that in the next 50 years this submarine speed cannot be achieved .... but about the fact that our idea is a fact .... our interesting underwater is the very one that the greatest inventors and sailors can neither steal nor create ... .but this is the brainchild of the 60s ..................
    Tactical and technical data of the torpedo "Shkval"
    Caliber - 533,4 mm
    Length - 8200 mm
    Torpedo weight - 2700 kg
    TNT equivalent warhead power - 210 kg
    Effective range - 7 km
    Marching speed - 360 km / h
    Here is the very speed ......... and now it’s considered fantastic ...... due to the movement of the rocket-torpedo in the gas cavity!
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 2 September 2014 18: 47
      +1
      The Germans have already raised the speed of their torpedoes to 450 km / h, borrowing the principle from us ... she’s not the fastest for a long time ...
      1. mpa945
        mpa945 2 September 2014 20: 45
        +1
        The Germans have already raised the speed of their torpedoes to 450 km / h, borrowing the principle from us ... she’s not the fastest for a long time ...

        But the distance is 1000 meters.
        And data from open sources ... For the first modification. (For Flurry)
  44. Mactep
    Mactep 2 September 2014 18: 42
    +2
    I laugh when such a single-seat submarine driven by a Chinese suicide bomber with a nuclear warhead will change the US coastline.
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 2 September 2014 18: 50
      0
      And why would a torpedo with a nuclear warhead have such speed and a suicide bomber (well, let’s say a suicide bomber - a pilot can fix something), why is this speed necessary for leveling the coastline of the SGA?
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 2 September 2014 19: 49
        +2
        Quote: Ecilop
        Why is this speed necessary for leveling the coastline of the SGA?

        And the Chinese are humane, because the expectation of an explosion is much worse than he is.
        laughing
  45. Listen grandfather
    Listen grandfather 2 September 2014 18: 54
    0
    Because when it comes to laugh it will be too late
  46. jekasimf
    jekasimf 2 September 2014 18: 55
    +2
    I can imagine how this submarine will make noise .... And like, no one will notice.
  47. Manul
    Manul 2 September 2014 18: 59
    +4
    Excuse me! First readers of Military Review laughed! laughing
  48. VadimL
    VadimL 2 September 2014 19: 27
    +1
    Sorry. But this is the second post on this topic. If you want to know my name for me about this project, look at the previous message. And then the dibilism of such an idea will become clear to you.
  49. Cynic
    Cynic 2 September 2014 19: 31
    +3
    Quote: Manul
    Allow me!
  50. dmitrii35
    dmitrii35 2 September 2014 19: 39
    +2
    The main thing is to set ambitious goals! Well done! The one who laughs last laughs well! The Chinese military-industrial complex will achieve some goals.