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Do not arm Ukraine ("The American Conservative", USA)

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Do not arm Ukraine ("The American Conservative", USA)Ben Judah (Ben Judah) puts forward a truly crazy idea:

If we believe that Ukraine will ever become a member of the European Union and NATO, then we should be ready to arm it. We have to face the truth and understand that the costs of unrestricted expansion of the European Union and NATO can include a mediated war with Russia — and then enter into such a war. We have rekindled the hottest moments of the Cold War, and now we must address the consequences, stimulating democratization in Eastern Europe.

This logic requires that we send Western military advisers to Kiev and provide Ukrainians with full information and satellite support. And we have to supply them with tons of guns Tanks, drones and medical kits. We should even be prepared to send NATO troops if Russian tanks go towards the Crimea in order to create a land bridge between the peninsula and southern Russia, which many fear.

Judah is building a scheme in Ukraine in such a way that it shows his clear preference for the military option, rather than “capitulation.” However, the course described by him is so absurd and dangerous that it discredits itself. It is absurd, because even if Western countries go to all the measures listed above, this will not change the final result of the conflict. And it is dangerous, because such steps may well provoke a larger and more destructive war. The United States and its allies may decide to send to Ukraine weapons and supplies, so that she fought a war, in which she is not able to win; however, this will only increase the damage to the country. Even if we assume that Western countries will somehow be able to declare a “victory” over Russia in such a war being waged by someone else’s hands, Ukraine will be destroyed to the ground during this war.

If Ben Judah’s “we” belongs to Western countries, then “we” do not believe that Ukraine will ever join the EU or NATO, since many members of these organizations do not want to accept it. The most realistic solution in a crisis is to confirm that Ukraine will not join any blocs. Therefore, it is irresponsible to act as if she will ever become a member of the EU or NATO. If earlier it was not clear to anyone how heavy a burden Ukraine would be for the North Atlantic Alliance, then the events of the last six months have dispelled all doubts. Obviously, NATO is not going to defend Ukraine, and therefore the worst thing that the alliance can do is to include it in its membership. If “the costs of unrestricted expansion of the European Union and NATO can include an indirect war with Russia,” as Judah puts it, then this is a deadly verdict for the policies of both organizations and a good reason for stopping their progress eastward.

The United States and its allies will always think about Russia more than about Ukraine, and they will never take serious risks for the sake of Kiev. So it was when last year the crisis began, and since then nothing has changed. Some Western countries recklessly compete with Russia for influence on Ukraine, but at the same time they have no desire to allocate the resources required for such rivalry and to take risks. They went to such a rivalry, without even thinking about how negatively Russia would react to these attempts. Now, when we see how it turned out to be a catastrophe, it makes absolutely no sense to repeat this mistake and push Ukraine towards a war, in which it is impossible to win.
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  1. Fear
    Fear 2 September 2014 06: 03
    +17
    NATO: "We will supply Ukraine, but we will not go to war ourselves. And if Russia wins, we will say: Well, Ukraine is to blame. We were originally for Russia! ..."
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 2 September 2014 06: 23
      +7
      To arm the army of the so-called Ukraine is tantamount to arm the army of New Russia .. Yes, and the instructors are unlikely to help .. they are not capable of waging wars in our conditions ...
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 2 September 2014 06: 55
        +6
        By the way, about the instructors ... Does anyone have info about 180 (minus how many) instructors from the USA? It seems like they "advised" somewhere in the area of ​​Mariupol. I would like to know about their bitter fate ...
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 2 September 2014 07: 43
          +3
          Quote: ALABAY45
          I would like to know about their bitter fate ...

          Yes, they have long fallen. As it was already in 2008. They have a heightened sense of sheer.
          Hello, Sergey! hi Do you happen to have any other recipes from the orphan series? Stitches come together yes .
          1. ALABAY45
            ALABAY45 2 September 2014 07: 48
            +1
            Hi Hi! As soon as a "food" term appears in the messages on the site (and hence the reason for the recipe), I will definitely issue the recipe.
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 2 September 2014 08: 26
              0
              Quote: ALABAY45
              As soon as a "food" term appears in messages on the site

              What about the boiler? What does not fit?
              1. ALABAY45
                ALABAY45 2 September 2014 08: 34
                +1
                As of today, the contents of the "cauldron" are alarming. Alas, there is only "meat" ...
        2. m13urah1
          m13urah1 2 September 2014 10: 44
          0
          Quote: ALABAY45
          By the way, about the instructors ... Does anyone have info about 180 (minus how many) instructors from the USA? It seems like they "advised" somewhere in the area of ​​Mariupol. I would like to know about their bitter fate ...

          They say they caught blacks in the airport dungeons. They tried to pass themselves off as Russians, having learned the phrase: "Mi russo tourist, the face of morality!" The fate was not specified, but they said that after that only armor and rations remained from them ...
        3. Draz
          Draz 2 September 2014 11: 57
          0
          Lost in the steppes of Ukraine laughing
      2. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 2 September 2014 06: 56
        +1
        Watching how Svidomo fights, a week after the delivery of Abrams, F-15, Apache (or cobra), Javelins, M-113, the militia will need the necessary equipment (M-113 will be burned - nobody needs such an iron).
    2. Irkutsk
      Irkutsk 2 September 2014 06: 27
      +2
      Russia will win, but will not come to war. And they so want.
      1. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 2 September 2014 06: 48
        +2
        The aggressive Ben Judah, however. Although ... - The majority there are like "Judas". Why be surprised? As they gather - more than one - they will dare exponentially. Yes, only, this "courage" is fueled by greed, meanness and exorbitant conceit. Events on the usraine showed - who is stronger and more worthy of victory - for whom the TRUTH!
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 2 September 2014 07: 00
          0
          Quote: 1812 1945
          Aggressive Ben Judah,

          It would be correct to read "son of Judah" (Ben Judah). It is very close in meaning. Oh, these American-Zionist warriors for me ... It's good to sit behind an Atlantic puddle and bark from afar. It would be better if I came to my historical homeland, where I helped by deed - to drive the Arab (Palestinian) neighbors from their homes.
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    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 2 September 2014 08: 59
      +1
      The hypocrisy of the West is well known, so we must be prepared for any surprises on their part.
    5. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 2 September 2014 11: 43
      +1
      Quote: Strah
      We were originally for Russia! ... "

      American duplicity has not changed. The same thing happened during the second. Traded with both Hitler and the USSR. corrupt creatures!
  2. ImPerts
    ImPerts 2 September 2014 06: 06
    +24
    Whom and how to arm? These ???
    1. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 2 September 2014 06: 18
      +24
      Today on the radio I heard that deserters from the national battalions began to write the inscription "coward" in their military ID cards. To complete the picture, it remains to introduce two more categories: "dunce" and "experienced".
      1. Igor F.
        Igor F. 2 September 2014 06: 54
        +1
        And rightly so! Because their "supreme commander" in military affairs is complete zero! Together with his Minister of Defense, who also understands nothing in military affairs .. Otherwise, how else to understand that the "elite" units of the army and the National Guards surrender in batches?
      2. sgazeev
        sgazeev 2 September 2014 12: 03
        +1
        Quote: Andrew NM
        Today on the radio I heard that deserters from the national battalions began to write the inscription "coward" in their military ID cards. To complete the picture, it remains to introduce two more categories: "dunce" and "experienced".

        Commanders need to write "dunce", and "seasoned" a dime a dozen on the "autobahns" of Dill. fool
    2. Patriot 1
      Patriot 1 2 September 2014 06: 23
      +3
      Five points!!! One picture shows the whole real nature of the junta. One knocked out the mind (and whether it was at all); I lost my second honor, I just don’t remember when and through which technological hole; Well, about conscience - you can not comment.
      1. starshina wmf
        starshina wmf 2 September 2014 07: 32
        0
        Accidentally clicked a minus. Sorry.
        1. zao74
          zao74 2 September 2014 12: 55
          0
          I corrected, do not worry.)))
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 September 2014 06: 30
      +4
      Quote: ImPerts
      Whom and how to arm? These ???

      Yes, let them arm, it will be interesting to see the reaction of Psaki and McKein to the new Abrams who appeared in the army of New Russia.
      1. Igor F.
        Igor F. 2 September 2014 06: 57
        +1
        Hehe! Still, it is interesting to see how the militias fight on American tanks .. And they are sure to master this technique too!
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 2 September 2014 08: 51
          +3
          Quote: Igor F.
          Hehe! Still, it is interesting to see how the militias fight on American tanks .. And they are sure to master this technique too!

          Naturally master.
          The only unpleasant moment is the difficulty in acquiring a Negro-loader ... laughing
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 2 September 2014 09: 21
            +1
            Quote: Wheel
            Negro-loader

            And isn’t he in the kit ?!
        2. sgazeev
          sgazeev 2 September 2014 12: 07
          0
          Quote: Igor F.
          Hehe! Still, it is interesting to see how the militias fight on American tanks .. And they are sure to master this technique too!

          Abrams are skidding in the sands, but on the black earth they "will float. Afghans do not in vain prefer Russian equipment. It is tested in all climatic zones."
      2. Wheel
        Wheel 2 September 2014 08: 49
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, let them arm, it will be interesting to see the reaction of Psaki and McKein to the Abrams who appeared in the army of New Russia.

        The reaction is predictable.
        Psaki will say: "There is irrefutable evidence that the Abrams were handed over to the militias by Russia."
    4. sgazeev
      sgazeev 2 September 2014 12: 00
      0
      Quote: ImPerts
      Whom and how to arm? These ???

      Some have "ward no. 6", others fuck ...... t, passing through anal, others will hand over to online stores for sale. wassat
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 2 September 2014 06: 08
    +11
    If we believe that Ukraine will someday become a member of the European Union and NATO, then we must be prepared to arm it.


    The same song as the theme of US missile defense.

    As a result, all the efforts of the WEST are reduced to worsening the security of RUSSIA.

    I have repeatedly said and am speaking now ... in matters of security in RUSSIA, one cannot look back on someone’s opinion from the WEST .... we must and will defend ourselves at all costs.

    The lessons of June 22, 1941 cost too much to RUSSIA .... therefore the THREAT looming over RUSSIA with the coming to power of the Nazgad in UKRAINE should be leveled by all available means, despite the sanctions of the WEST ... THIS IS A QUESTION OF OUR LIFE AND DEATH.
    1. kingnothing
      kingnothing 2 September 2014 14: 24
      +1
      It is necessary to change the attitude towards the west.
      If they don’t count us as people, then why should we count them?

      And he also remarked - Everyone is ready to give money to Ukraine, so that Russia would be bad, but no one gives money to Ukraine, so that everything is fine with them! In my opinion, this already suggests that, to them, it is also useless for nothing!
  4. Eaglealex
    Eaglealex 2 September 2014 06: 09
    +5
    "If a gentleman starts to lose, the gentleman changes the rules of the game ..."
    1. FACKtoREAL
      FACKtoREAL 2 September 2014 06: 22
      +8
      If a gentleman changes the rules during the game, then ... the gentleman is dipped in shit without any rules!
      1. Nekarmadlen
        Nekarmadlen 2 September 2014 08: 18
        0
        And on top of the candelabra ...
  5. talnax7
    talnax7 2 September 2014 06: 13
    +2
    Scho politically correct merge ubundia
  6. Neighbor
    Neighbor 2 September 2014 06: 15
    +2
    Now, when we see what a catastrophe this turned out to be, it makes absolutely no sense to repeat this mistake and push Ukraine into a war that cannot be defeated.
    Minke whales may not hope for victory, but they won’t miss the moment to spoil Russia.
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  8. tyzyaga
    tyzyaga 2 September 2014 06: 17
    +7
    There were many wars and they beat their names. The First World War, the Second World War, the Cold, etc. But the name of the war in Ukraine will obviously be "moronic".
  9. shishakova
    shishakova 2 September 2014 06: 19
    +2
    Thanks, Author! True thoughts.
    It seems that the whole sane World understands the stupidity of today's confrontation.
    There are probably some forces that are looking to capitalize on this conflict, unfortunately.
  10. Andrey Russky
    Andrey Russky 2 September 2014 06: 20
    +5
    "... And we have to supply them with tons of guns, tanks ..."
    Apparently, Ben Judah thinks that tanks and planes weigh several kilograms ... Or it means that you need to put half a tank, a quarter of a plane, a third of a drone, 70% of a gun and so on ... I think Poroshenko will appreciate the generosity of delivery.
    For some reason, the least competent people are the first to run to advise the rest ...
    1. Eaglealex
      Eaglealex 2 September 2014 06: 43
      +2
      You can supply LSD instead of tanks and cannons, and they will ... They will appear: if a hatch has opened in the tank, do not be alarmed - this is a glitch ...
    2. Igor F.
      Igor F. 2 September 2014 07: 04
      +1
      Better yet, supply ukrosam with spare parts such as a children's designer "DIY". That is, to supply first nuts and bolts, then parts from military equipment, and everything in separate packages .. Let them learn to assemble themselves, and not ask for something ready!
  11. mig31
    mig31 2 September 2014 06: 23
    +1
    We also have someone to arm, and the answer will be adequate ....
  12. shinobi
    shinobi 2 September 2014 06: 23
    +1
    Judging by the hysteria in the media and the US congress, the rebels are doing well. It’s clear that help from the Russian Federation is coming in, money, volunteers. Wearable heavy weapons. Logistics instructors. And that’s enough to fill the junta. I think the real snow will begin on the first snow status of a republic. All the same, there’s not enough strength to march on Kiev. And yes, the land corridor to the Crimea will be broken.
  13. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 2 September 2014 06: 24
    +2
    How can one provoke a country that has enough to destroy the entire NATO bloc and the nuclear potential that has joined them ...
    In the West, a generation of extremely stupid (psaki just a diagnosis of the political establishment) politicians simply grew up ... completely incapable of making informed management decisions ... and lacking the skills and understanding of the subject necessary for state administration.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 2 September 2014 07: 37
      0
      Quote: silberwolf88
      In the West, a generation of extremely stupid (psaki just a diagnosis of the political establishment) politicians simply grew up ... completely incapable of making informed management decisions ... and lacking the skills and understanding of the subject necessary for state administration.

      And in my opinion, everything fits perfectly into the strategy of "World domination", it is quite another matter that the methods have become different, more clumsy. Now it is simply not customary to talk in the West about honor and conscience, nobility and the concept of democracy and human rights has been completely devalued - these are not such norms for all. For those who want to kick the West, if the United States has shown interest in human rights in your country, it means they will bomb!
  14. Funnels
    Funnels 2 September 2014 06: 26
    +3
    Yes, war until the last Ukrainian, "and we (states) will go north."
  15. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 2 September 2014 06: 28
    0
    It is a pity that tolerasty do not remember our folk wisdom, such as "Matches are not a toy for children, and do not put out the fire with gasoline." And they have already prepared the canister and bring the match. But they just won't have time to escape ... hi
  16. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 2 September 2014 06: 29
    +1
    Direct deliveries of military equipment, weapons and equipment - there is a replenishment of Voentorg. Who are you going to supply? They are a WHOLE COUNTRY about ... whether. Why should they steal supplies - like two fingers on the asphalt! Like a glass pad for the comfort of the thigh. If they don't break it, they will lose it. Who will manage this entire economy? Will the advisers teach the 4th wave of mobilization? Will go where the first 3. I hope in America not all supporters supply grenades to the monkey house.
  17. shelva
    shelva 2 September 2014 06: 33
    0
    The rational West will not want to spend money on Ukraine only for its accession to the EU and NATO. Give him a profit.
  18. Combitor
    Combitor 2 September 2014 06: 37
    0
    << Robert Menendez proposed to "give the Ukrainians such a defensive weapon" that would make Russia "pay a high price for further aggression" >>
    They completely collapsed from an oak in America? What is "aggression"? Do they all have nightmares there? Well, let's say they give this weapon to dill. And those who are sick all over the head, what will they do with him? Will they send a couple of short-range missiles to us, and then they will say: "Oh, I'm sorry, we're inadvertently"? Or will they start covering Novorossiya with these missiles? Do they really not understand what this can lead to?
    How the Ukrainians cannot understand that the junta is leading the country to self-destruction. Poroshenko, Kolomoisky and other ringleaders have prepared their "duty" suitcases for a long time. Where are you going to go? Europe and America don't need you. They only need you to bury nuclear waste on your territory. So in fifty years, in this situation, all Ukrainians can be recognized by their characteristic skin color, a patch instead of a nose, a tail and a third eye. After all, yell again: "Russia, save and help!"
    I would like to read the answer of a simple Ukrainian from somewhere from Lviv or Chernivtsi.
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 2 September 2014 08: 22
      0
      What are short-range missiles?
      Treaty of 1989 on the reduction of the INF Treaty read.
  19. andrei332809
    andrei332809 2 September 2014 06: 41
    0
    now they have to tackle the consequences by stimulating democratization in Eastern Europe.

    and Europeans know HOW is Janken's democratization going on?
  20. Pro100Igor
    Pro100Igor 2 September 2014 06: 42
    +4
    It’s terrible to arm such a country!
  21. Finches
    Finches 2 September 2014 06: 43
    +1
    I agree with everyone, but there is one more thing. Nobody will give ultra-modern weapons to Ukraine, since Vietnam, they will give a little modernized. Moreover, they will not just give it, but sell it and make money on it. Further, iron is iron, but people must be able to handle it. The Ukrainian army, I mean weapons, tactics of introducing hostilities, is an army based on the Soviet military school. NATO standards and their weapons, and their method of introducing hostilities, sharpened for their weapons, standards, tactical units, etc. are completely different! This means it is necessary to create an army from scratch, work for more than one year! 5 years of building the Georgian army showed us that money was thrown up, but they never taught how to fight, only the Georgians' conceit grew, unreasonably, they say: "America is with us!" It will be similar here. Therefore, the supply of weapons to the banana republic should not be feared, efforts must be concentrated to prevent the deployment of foreign military bases on the territory of Ukraine, and on this issue you need to take a tough stance! And why shouldn't the Iskander appear in Cuba? For every fireman ...
  22. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 September 2014 06: 50
    0
    how unfortunate, but most likely the dill weapons will go quite legally. But there are pluses. For most will be in New Russia.
  23. Dbnfkmtdbx
    Dbnfkmtdbx 2 September 2014 07: 01
    0
    Ilya Muromets, Lesha Popovich, Dobrynya Nikitich, who do not need to tell you, Popovich wassat
  24. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 2 September 2014 07: 04
    +2
    NATO is a purely American product of 1949. Then he was called upon to protect and expand the zone of influence (or rather occupation) of the United States in Europe. Allegedly the myth of the Soviet propaganda about the aggressiveness of the NATO bloc, in reality it turned out to be not a myth at all. Having, until 1991, a powerful adversary represented by the Soviet Army and its groups of forces in Eastern Europe, NATO sat on ... opera. With the exception of unsuccessful attempts to expand 1956 in Hungary and 1968 in Czechoslovakia, where it received a worthy rebuff. We are now being presented with those events as the suppression of popular uprisings by the Soviet troops for democracy, forgetting who heated these speeches and their readiness to support these speeches with military force. The entry of our troops was a defensive reaction.
    Well, as soon as Gorbachev began to surrender the Soviet Union’s positions in Eastern Europe, NATO's aggression manifested itself in all its glory: they devoured Yugoslavia, and with blood and destruction (Russia did not prevent this), the former ATS countries and the Baltic countries swallowed. And further, by inertia, they went east, feeling their permissiveness. If from 1945 to 1991, NATO was still somehow ready to fight, then after 1991 it lost this willingness and, moreover, its ability.
    I think it will be good for NATO and for us if it returns to Cold War thinking. Namely, in a nutshell: "Stop! Be afraid!" In another way, NATO cannot exist, another option is to dissolve itself.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 2 September 2014 07: 24
      +3
      Quote: surovts.valery
      NATO is a purely American product of 1949.

      And small-shavens consider NATO as their idea. As one Lord Hastings Ismay said, NATO's mission is "to keep Americans in, Russians out, and Germans down"; translation: "To keep the Americans in (meaning in Europe), the Russians out, and to press the Germans down."
      1. surovts.valery
        surovts.valery 2 September 2014 08: 07
        +1
        Maybe so, that does not change the essence.
  25. shef598
    shef598 2 September 2014 07: 07
    +2
    Quote: aszzz888
    how unfortunate, but most likely the dill weapons will go quite legally. But there are pluses. For most will be in New Russia.


    We must ask the Americans to print those descriptions in Russian as well !!!! laughing
  26. Aslan
    Aslan 2 September 2014 07: 08
    +1
    the so-called experts voiced the opinion of the western sponsors of the junta, therefore, one should not be surprised.
    Of course there is an armament of equipment and mercenaries, but is that a secret already.
    The campaign against the Western sponsors was pinched by a point after the success of the militia at the front, so they want to openly legitimize the supply of heavy weapons.
  27. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 2 September 2014 07: 13
    +1
    I think they will not be able to give any kind of weapon to dill, understanding that it is tantamount to supplying the militia. The Americans see that ukramia is not able to fight and in addition the cowards the Americans are present in the war. they will send something that Americans see unnecessary or full of holes. NEWS RUSSIA gives such a rebuff that not everyone has time to even understand
  28. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 2 September 2014 07: 18
    0
    “We” do not believe that Ukraine will ever join the EU or NATO, since many members of these organizations do not want to accept it.

    The girl was "matched", This bl ... rarely gets lucky in marriage laughing
  29. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 2 September 2014 07: 19
    +1
    Well, let's take a look. They will deliver weapons and equipment - I believe that the GDP and Kuzhugetovich will come up with something about effective counteraction. Among other things, members of the forum are loyal to express themselves that it is necessary to apply intelligence and management skills to the technique, at the very least, the hands are not out of the ... well.
    I wonder how the State Department will react if, like in 2008, another 10 Hammers with equipment get to ours? Or something else?
    All the deliveries announced will not solve the final point - the victory of New Russia, but only delay it, there will be more victims on both sides. It is quite possible that the p.i.s.
  30. Nychego
    Nychego 2 September 2014 07: 36
    +1
    For NATO there is a triple benefit: to help the Ukrainians pour their bad blood in the war with Russia, and at the same time to make them owe their mattress (well, they will not give up their weapons for free), and even shed off the products of their military-industrial complex.

    There are also three "pleasures" for the Hohlopithecus: shedding blood for the interests of the Pendeurops, while being debtors of overseas owners, and even mastering this new, convenient, and often not very suitable for war, equipment.
  31. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 2 September 2014 08: 15
    0
    it will end badly for everyone))) and I'm not pessimistic, rather the optimism here is over - it will end, but the irreversibility of the rotting process of the corpse of Ukraine is an axiom and even if it is completely frozen))) one horseradish will be corrupted! Europe is a fool, sanctions will cut potential (our) help to Ukraine, gentlemen agree, we will help in any situation ... Dura - Europe
  32. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 2 September 2014 08: 17
    0
    Slovakia is like an announcement that it will begin supplying reversible gas to Ukraine. Apparently in Slovakia there is a lot of gas, enough for the whole winter. smile In general, this hysteria of the West is already tired. They can’t do anything worthwhile for Ukraine, they’ll only hurt themselves. Therefore, I suggest not paying attention to drooling and snot ...
    pisi:
    We are waiting for new victories over "democracy" from the militia ...
  33. thinker
    thinker 2 September 2014 09: 00
    0
    The leader of the Cuban revolution, Fidel Castro, compared the representatives of European NATO countries with the Nazis from the SS units of Nazi Germany, saying that the bloc’s policies imposed by the United States would soon lead him to the “dump of history”.

    http://russian.rt.com/article/48070
    His words would be yes to God in the ears! good
  34. OLGRIN
    OLGRIN 2 September 2014 09: 01
    0
    Quote: The same Lech
    If we believe that Ukraine will someday become a member of the European Union and NATO, then we must be prepared to arm it.


    The same song as the theme of US missile defense.

    As a result, all the efforts of the WEST are reduced to worsening the security of RUSSIA.

    I have repeatedly said and am speaking now ... in matters of security in RUSSIA, one cannot look back on someone’s opinion from the WEST .... we must and will defend ourselves at all costs.

    The lessons of June 22, 1941 cost too much to RUSSIA .... therefore the THREAT looming over RUSSIA with the coming to power of the Nazgad in UKRAINE should be leveled by all available means, despite the sanctions of the WEST ... THIS IS A QUESTION OF OUR LIFE AND DEATH.

    I subscribe to this 100%.
    We must remember the huge non-combat losses of civilians in the Second World War. It was a war to destroy the people. They are going to do the same thing now. Yes, and they’re creating (from the word creatures).
  35. extra
    extra 2 September 2014 09: 12
    0
    Ben Judah puts forward a truly delusional idea - yes, this is putting it mildly ahah, he just pushes his crap)) and please tell someone to this gentleman "Crimea was, is and will be the Russian Federation" and stupid poplar in the ass "enough for everyone))
  36. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 2 September 2014 11: 59
    +1
    Half-n.dosi already armed and trained the Georgian army. How they marched, how bravely shouted. All in NATO shells and weapons. Baluyevsky, who was pulled out of his pension, sent these rodents in three days under the walls of Tiflis on the lung and with a burnt ass. And Ukrainians there too. Yes, as they say: sucker is fate! yes
  37. sgazeev
    sgazeev 2 September 2014 12: 13
    0
    Osama Ben Judah: "The West can force the Ukrainian side to lay down arms and surrender the territory, simply by threatening it with the termination of funding. Now Ukraine is entirely dependent on the money of Western countries." We can console them: being another Georgia is not the worst thing that can happen, " - says Ben Judah.

    He writes that in this way it will be possible to save thousands of human lives, but for the West this will be a crushing defeat. In essence, he will make Russia understand that it can invade and annex the territories of the former Soviet republics whenever it wishes. Russia will prevail over the world order that was established after its defeat in the Cold War. In addition, the American containment system will come to an end. “All opponents of the United States, from Iran to China, will see this as a call to establish their spheres of influence,” the writer believes. Although he turned out to be a man here. recourse
  38. EDELVEISS
    EDELVEISS 3 September 2014 12: 07
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    What do you think, if for 22 years of their independent existence during the period of peaceful life, Ukrainians could not agree among themselves on the basic issues of common life, can they do it now, at the time of a full-scale civil war ??

    The Ukraine project ceases to exist, and it does not matter who or what becomes the formal reason for its end.