200-series AK - view from two sides

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About the new machine it is known that the 200-i series will have an advantage in the efficiency of use compared to previous models on the 40-50%. As follows from the statement Grodetsky, the new machine will have a bar that is designed for mounting additional equipment - laser sights, sights and a flashlight.

The upgraded Kalashnikov with 74 marking and 5,45 caliber of millimeter has a side-folding plastic butt and dovetail bar, which is designed for mounting optical sights. The AK-74M rate of fire is within 600 rounds per minute. This machine was adopted in the 1995 year.

The original model of the Kalashnikov assault rifle was developed in 1947, and only two years later the Soviet Army adopted it. Over the course of time, the Kalashnikov improved, new modifications appeared, the “100th series” (including models from AK-101 to AK105), which appeared in 90's, was considered the newest until now. Kalashnikov assault rifles were adopted in 55 countries. Some states, for example, China are engaged in the manufacture of “Kalashnikovs” without a license.

Next, we give two views, two positions on this world-famous machine gun. The first look at the machine will be a review of the modified "Kalashnikov", which were produced by the American company Krebbs custom guns. An order from this firm was made, still unknown, by entrepreneurs from Iraq. The second glance will be the local Izhevsk automaton, the consideration of the models will be supplied with comments by Comrade. Fox. Mentioned comrade. Lees was a member of the Afghan company and worked for a long time at the Rzhevsky training ground.

Tov. Lees points out that during his service in Afghanistan he used the Kalashnikov firm Krebbs, which was brought from the camp of the enemy. According to him, the impressions of using this machine can be compared with the impressions of using a new imported car after the Russian one. However, the estimated cost of such weapons quite high.

Regarding the Kalashnikovs produced at the Izhevsk plant, there were no comments, but the silence was significant.

So we see:

Some picattini planks have been added to the automatic machine, the handle has been made more or less ergonomic, a safety device has been added under the thumb of the right hand, which, unfortunately, is not connected in any way with the standard safety device-translator, but simply locks the trigger.



The machine is made simple and probably a little rough, as they say, on the knee assembled. The production of such products is permissible for a small company that creates its own models in small premises and does not have competent personnel. However, for a factory developer, this is simply unacceptable. It should be noted normal and rather rigid landing of a level on a gas outlet tube.




The cover of the receiver, which is located on the other side of the ledge in the front part, is mounted on the axle, and in the rear part there is a contactor, somewhat resembling designs on the SVD or Valmet.



In the aggregate, this should ensure uniformity of fit of the receiver cover after opening. Most likely, this design eliminates the need to verify the sights installed on the cover plate each time after cleaning. On the bar are colored dots that indicate the seats for sights of different types.

Landing the cap on the axle was made possible by the redesigned assembly of open sights. The automat block remained the same, but the bar was shortened and the drum with an eccentric was put in place of the clamp and the curved sector. In this regard, the bar has become shorter and the opportunity to install the hinge of the receiver cover has become available.



The new model has a ramrod in the butt. In addition to the butt added antabka.



It is necessary to distinguish between the desire to correct the shortcomings of the AK and the desire to make of the machine only the external similarity of foreign Masad, AR15, Stg552. Based on this, and need to develop future models.

For example, the company Krebs, creates exactly the external similarity of AR15 from AK and this is due to the nature of the demand in the American civilian market.

It would be appropriate to recall the words of Gabe, Suarez: “no need to make an M16 rifle from AK”. This quote suggests that you should not confuse the purpose and technology of different types of weapons. It should not be added to Kalashnikov, heavy non-ergonomic body kit, just for the view.

What are the fundamental flaws over which to think in the new millennium, does AK have?

Low firing accuracy (compared to Western rifles) single shots.
Considerable kickback and toss, especially in 7.62
Difficulties when installing optics.
Non-ergonomic regular handle.
No store neck.
No automatic shutter lag.
Non-ergonomic butt
Non-ergonomic fuse
Imperfect regular mechanical sight (although this item may be controversial).

So, let's take a closer look at each item.

The accuracy of solitary fire. This item is determined not so much by the defects of the model as by poor-quality production, since it is possible to find both heap and very dull copies. So the whole thing in the quality of factory production, which needs to be improved.

Recoil and toss. Changing the mass of moving parts, caliber or scheme of work of automation, will lead not to improvement, but to the creation of a new rifle. To reduce recoil and toss it is necessary to use active and reactive muzzle devices to reduce recoil. These devices are well developed in the Russian FPSR, and many are used on 7.62 machines. Therefore, the introduction of an optimal compensator in mass production is the best solution.

Installing optics. Since AK46-1 “turned over” and acquired a classic layout, this issue is problematic for AK. However, this problem can be solved, but for the solution it is necessary to understand which optics will be used. The most optimal are the Aimpoint T1 and Aimpoint H1 collimators, the latest versions of EOTech (but they are inferior to the previous ones in terms of size and power consumption). How to install such a sight? The answer is clear - an ultimakovsky gas outlet is needed, and in order to make an Ultimak analogue of steel, only desire is needed. Thus, you can get the sight, which is located on the sighting line of mechanics and through which you can see the mechanics. At the same time, the installation of a flashlight is a completely solvable question, the solution is, for example, installing a flashlight on Ultimak using a VTOR adapter.

Absolutely incomprehensible maniache, with which a whole modern world hangs Kallachnik rails. For what? Do you have so many optics with Pikatinievsky mount? Or are you going with the help of an adapter with a dovetail to hang on AK Hyperon? Or, even funnier, Cobra on the Weaver, which has overall dimensions and power consumption of Tefalev iron? Damn, how to ruin the brain, better pack up Eympoint, anyway, at the cost of maintenance and the percentage of marriage it will be cheaper than the Cobra, especially since 15 of Eympoints is taken for the cost of one Hyperon !!!

Native handle fire control. There is evidence that the fighters of the Special Forces UFSIN UR have made ergonomic handles made of wood for themselves for quite some time, and this says a lot. In fact, this issue does not require any “revolutionary transformations” of the structure and such things. It is enough just to put commercial handles into production. At the same time, the installation of such handles (Russian, Israeli or American) takes a small amount of time, and the costs are not large. However, the benefits of this innovation, in terms of using AKs, can be substantial.

Neck and slide lag. These are things that are needed for sports, but in order to use this in order to arm the army, you will need to change the store format, which has remained unchanged for over 60 years. It becomes clear that such costs are not entirely reasonable, of course, you can redo the machine for the NATO standard, copy Masadovsky stores. However, it is unlikely for anyone to think of buying such a modification of Kalashnikov, with a converted store, the cost of which will significantly exceed the cost of existing models.

Butt. The idea of ​​placing a ramrod in the butt may seem quite interesting, but this is not a mandatory innovation. The existing black stock AK100 is self-sufficient, it is universal and does not require add-ons. Such as, for example, the slot under the strap of the butt plates GP30, which do not yet exist as such.

Fuse. It is the sacred cow of modern tactics. The standard lever can be used at a fairly high speed. If you use a fuse with a flag similar to Boar-12, then the removal speed will be at least not less than that of the AR15 fuse. Probably no more innovations are required. However, improvements with a fuse on the left side and the action of the reverse natural movement is another attempt to rework the AK in AR15. In fact, the fuse is not so often used and most needed to carry a weapon, so a normal switching speed is an ample option.

Mechanics. This item is the last in the list, but not the last. It is worth noting that when shooting at dusk or the rapid transfer of fire, the AK strap works and, at the same time, at a sufficiently high level. In this case, a tritium insert in the Kalashnikov front sight, for shooting in low-light conditions, can become a fully justified and practical addition. At the same time, the cost of 70 dollars on Brounels allows everyone to use this option. For the mechanics of the machine does not need research and a huge number of slats, as well as there is no need for enhanced locking the receiver cover. Some additions are superfluous, it should be considered.

In conclusion, it should be said that although the new Kalashnikov looks quite impressive in the photo. In fact, it does not have any fundamental differences from its predecessors. It implemented not a large number of innovations. In particular, it is a modified ergonomics. The left-hand crank on the left and the current fuse are quite controversial.
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    1. +2
      22 July 2011 14: 47
      Why the hell ... so much corrugation. Just a vacuum cleaner to collect dust and dirt
      1. Superduck
        +2
        22 July 2011 15: 02
        This is the Picatinny rail for attaching the attachment.
        1. +2
          18 September 2014 12: 10
          What attachment? to hell with a collimator, to hell with a flashlight, pens, etc. all these Pribluda only in Hollywood films, make it harder and less mobile, if you need a scope, there is PSO-1 and others. And the poppet grenade launcher, the radius of destruction is 8-10 m. Hand grenades too Avno, in the movies they explode beautifully, but really zilch)))
          And the conclusion: AKM, AK-74 weapons of victory, and the M-16 pederasts)))
    2. Joker
      +8
      22 July 2011 15: 15
      It would be better not to suffer from it, but launched into the AEK-971 series, in terms of structure and reliability it is similar to the Kalash (Kalash's automation scheme), but at times more accurate.
      1. grandfather
        0
        22 July 2011 15: 33
        I agree with you the joker at AEK-971 accuracy of fire is one of the best and for convenience it is also better. throws up less. generally a sample of what you need. especially the latest releases.
      2. pavel031976
        0
        25 July 2011 06: 58
        The circuit is different.
        1. Joker
          +1
          25 July 2011 09: 09
          For pavel031976

          The automation scheme is similar for them, see the pictures ..

          http://warinform.ru/News-view-271.html
          1. Joker
            0
            25 July 2011 11: 03
            Here is the diagram of AEK-971
          2. Joker
            +2
            25 July 2011 11: 04
            AEK-971

            1. Joker
              0
              25 July 2011 11: 24
              PS "Additional" parts are numbered 3 (top) and 7.
              1. pavel031976
                +1
                28 July 2011 01: 14
                In your opinion: TRAM = TROLLEYBUS winked
                1. Joker
                  +1
                  28 July 2011 09: 26
                  A couple of additional parts do not change the general scheme of the weapon, in my opinion the diagram is available, remove the "additional" parts (3B and 7) - there will be a Kalash diagram.

                  That is, in your opinion, add a trailer to the UAZ and there will be a technically completely new car.
                  1. 0
                    9 August 2011 16: 58
                    Well, you are a GENIUS !!! Take away the barrel and vseravno Kalash !!! Klats Majestic Logic !! And if in any mechanism there appears MAAAlkaya unnecessary detail, a grain of sand that will overwhelm the trigger, also fiHnya-vseravno Kalash !!!! wassat And Kalash is a clack! IRON LOGIC.
                  2. pavel031976
                    +1
                    30 August 2011 14: 45
                    ... "With a slight movement of the hand ... the pants turn ... the pants turn ..."
      3. 0
        9 August 2011 15: 09
        Is there infa on the reliability of AEK and AN 94 Abakan ?? Reviews are very ambiguous ....
        1. Joker
          +2
          11 August 2011 08: 52
          As for Abakan, I completely agree, this set of cables cannot be called reliable.

          As for AEK, in the first reviews there can’t be any particulars, it isn’t mass-produced in my opinion, and secondly, if I’m not right about the similarity of structures, justify it.
      4. 0
        11 May 2019 09: 56
        A simple soldier does not need high accuracy. It justifies itself only if the shooter is not curved and knows how to accurately determine the distance to the target, and aim. Plus, the accuracy of AEK-971 is offset by the curvature of domestic cartridges
        An exact machine is needed for those who know how to shoot. And in the hands of the average soldier, an assault rifle with a large dispersion will have a high probability of hitting.
        When we put rifle systems in service, which automatically correct at least for range, then we can talk about a massive precision assault rifle. (DPRK, by the way, mastered such toys to adopt.)
    3. +3
      22 July 2011 18: 56
      We need not a modification, but a new weapon. Fundamentally new, and not a banal modification of AK.
      1. Owl
        +11
        23 July 2011 17: 31
        It is very reliable, there was a case when the AK-74M, clogged with liquid mud and powder soot, refused to send a cartridge into the chamber, the cartridge was sent with a "light" kick on the reloading handle of the bolt carrier, resting the barrel against some kind of board lying in the mud. The M-16 with its piston for the final closing of the shutter is not even lying around for reliability. Our problem: the disgusting quality of ammunition, the early abandonment of the 7,62x39 caliber, the weak range of ammunition, the lack of a sufficient number of normal red dot sights, the absence (wretchedness) of tactical flashlights. My AK refused only once, during the explosion the bolt carrier was wedged.
      2. pavel031976
        +1
        25 July 2011 07: 01
        Aha! Swords of the Jedi ... from the TV series "Star Wars" wink
      3. +2
        9 August 2011 17: 04
        H. esso, but tell me why you ".. not a modification, but a new weapon .." within the framework of what tactics, strategy, concept you will use it ??? Who do you think brains ??? excuse me...
        Maybe you should first discuss the concept of using the Troops at the present stage, and understand if we need to change something ???? And then look what and how ???
    4. +1
      22 July 2011 22: 41
      Joker,
      grandfather- Alas, we have a monopoly of Izhmash.
    5. Serge
      +7
      22 July 2011 23: 03
      Joker, Grandfather, how much will it cost to re-equip a plant under AEK-971, how much will it cost to change production lines? Did you consider that?
      Have you personally personally shot this aek? Did you serve him?
      Probably not!
      I worked a lot with Kalash, I know all its pros and cons, a good, simple, reliable machine !!!
      Kalash - a machine for a soldier of the draft army. Automatic for soldiers, most of which do not give a damn about the weapons that are secured behind them for a year.
      All these AEKs, Abakans, etc., etc. - weapons of professionals, that is, people who value and love their weapons.
      1. Owl
        +1
        23 July 2011 17: 35
        I agree about the AN-94, on the third day of some exhibition (2000) AN-94 did not even recharge and when asked "why?" the machine gun was carried away from the stand ...
      2. Joker
        +1
        25 July 2011 09: 23
        Sereg'e

        I know Kalash personally.

        AEK was dealt with by a very good friend of mine during his studies at the academy as an officer.

        Abakan yes, it’s very complicated, AEK-971 is not much more complicated.

        http://warinform.ru/News-view-271.html
        1. Joker
          0
          25 July 2011 11: 02
          Here is a diagram of the machine AEK-971

        2. Joker
          +1
          25 July 2011 15: 49
          PS AEK is not much more complicated than Kalash.
          1. +1
            21 August 2011 23: 17
            H. JokerNot much like that ??? And the mote is enough! Although, I can agree with this: the tactics of hostilities have changed - the survivability of weapons is not so MAY not so important .... but we need infa. Share it. That's how they tested AK read, but not on others (frankly speaking, the point is that AK and AEK are peers !!)
        3. pavel031976
          0
          9 September 2011 21: 58
          Abakan has a more complex structure than AEK ...
          1. Joker
            0
            11 September 2011 20: 42
            Quote: Joker
            Abakan, yes, very complex,


            1. pavel031976
              0
              11 September 2011 21: 20
              Why are you doing this, Joker? In my opinion - these are your words ... or not?
              1. pavel031976
                0
                11 September 2011 22: 14
                Joker,
                Abakan yes, very complicated, AEK-971 - not much more difficult.
                1. Joker
                  0
                  11 September 2011 23: 05
                  Well, yes.

                  Abakan is a complex machine, AEK is almost like a Kalash, I meant it.
                  1. pavel031976
                    0
                    11 September 2011 23: 25
                    Yeah, now I understand ... the continuation was a post below.
      3. -1
        9 August 2011 16: 32
        SW Serge! I saw a pro weapon, also AK only tuned for myself. Not some AEK or AN (who will share their experience of using in battle ??) but AK, which was then proven. If you want to play with death, play Russian roulette.
        For tuning right now there are no problems. Go from AK to ... what ??? There’s nothing to it. there are no such weapons in terms of reliability and quality at the same time. NOT.

        By the way, who knows what internal circulars (in my opinion even FM somehow ..) are prescribed in combat use AK ?? And only when filming - always M16 !!! There you have the confession !! Why refuse ????
        1. Joker
          +1
          11 August 2011 08: 57
          I do not deny the legend of Kalash, and I respect this automatic machine myself, but I say that a thing has appeared that, while remaining reliable at its level, has an advantage in firing accuracy.
          1. 0
            22 August 2011 23: 25
            Is there info ?? Throw off the zinc! Field tests of AN and AEK are very necessary !! Thank you in advance.
            1. Joker
              0
              25 August 2011 01: 28
              I read about AA in magazines (brother, weapon, gun master, etc., there, between the term, in the context, you can understand, well, or seeing AN in the analysis, about AEK, too, plus the memories of a friend. According to him, 7,62 AEK was significantly superior in Precision Kalash 5,45.
              1. 0
                28 August 2011 20: 44
                Quote: Joker
                I read about AA in magazines (brother, weapon, gun master, etc., there, between the term, in the context, you can understand, well, or seeing AN in the analysis, about AEK, too, plus the memories of a friend. According to him, 7,62 AEK was significantly superior in Precision Kalash 5,45.

                I apologize uv. pavel031976 sho pushed, but uv. Joker, right, let Google google and find a video from Kovrovtsy on AEK where they themselves admit that yes AK is exactly weaker than AN and AEK, but NOT COMPARABLE FOR RELIABILITY. And the resume of the film is overwhelming reliability.
                1. pavel031976
                  +1
                  29 August 2011 00: 17
                  H. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)!! The Joker in his post on August 11 at 8:57 pointed out that "... there is a thing (as I understand it - AEK) which remains in reliability at its (as I understand it AK) level"... I didn't agree with this nonsense in my post. But regarding such a criterion as ACCURACY - I AGREE. But this notorious accuracy is achieved by a sharp decrease in reliability. Personally, my choice is AK (modifications).
                  1. 0
                    30 August 2011 16: 21
                    AMEN! (http://dal.sci-lib.com/word000291.html)
          2. pavel031976
            +2
            28 August 2011 00: 47
            Joker, You're not right!!! Reliability of AEK (not to mention AH) <reliability of AK. If we assume that “reliability is the probability of no-failure operation”, then with the inclusion of additional nodes in the design, this “probability” decreases, because the probability of no-failure operation of a group of objects is equal to the product of the probabilities of no-failure operation of each object in this group. Our average soldier is not a master of sports in bullet shooting, therefore such a factor as shooting accuracy has less weight than reliability - therefore, AK-74 and modifications are in service.
            1. Joker
              0
              30 August 2011 13: 59
              Krylovets 2000 (HVVKU) / pavel031976

              Do any of you have experience with AEK?

              Personally, I don’t, but I can refer to the experience of a friend who has dealt with this machine. According to him, reliability is at the level of Kalash.

              If someone has personal experience, or other useful information (we do not take theoretical research, it is possible to obtain diametrically opposite results from them), then I ask for discussion.
              1. pavel031976
                0
                30 August 2011 14: 31
                Joker! What is in your concept (or in the concept of your friend) - RELIABILITY? How did your friend define the AEK RELIABILITY? Moreover, how could he compare RELIABILITY? He poured sand into the receiver, sent a cartridge into the chamber, fired a shot, the shot happened, the bullet hit the target ....? "Oh! Everything is the same as in AK, only AEK is newer, and therefore cooler!" - thought your comrade. So what? And what are you going to discuss without having the practice of using a sample? And personal experience is a purely subjective opinion, which everyone, you yourself understand, is different.
                1. Joker
                  0
                  9 September 2011 17: 20
                  You apparently shot and ran with AEK in the sands and fields, and he didn’t suit you with something, or did you see another detail and shout about unreliability?

                  As for the details on the experience of shooting a friend - I can’t clarify at the moment because the connection with him is lost.
                  1. pavel031976
                    -1
                    9 September 2011 21: 39
                    Respected! 1) Read CAREFULLY my posts - I do not "shout" that AEK is unreliable, its reliability is lower (less, or whatever you like). 2) You did not answer the question addressed to you. 3) I recommend that you learn to call things by their proper names. 4) about running and shooting - CHILD PETIT
                    1. Joker
                      0
                      10 September 2011 01: 00
                      Quote: pavel031976
                      I do not "shout" that AEK is unreliable, its reliability is lower (less, or whatever you like).


                      - in the event of a breakdown of the counterweight, I think it is possible to constructively disable it (as a techie I don’t see any difficulty in this), in which case the reliability will be fully is similar.

                      Quote: pavel031976
                      2) You did not answer the question addressed to you.


                      - please repeat your question, re-read the posts but did not understand what it was about.

                      Quote: pavel031976
                      3) I recommend that you learn to call a spade a spade.


                      -?


                      Quote: pavel031976
                      4) about running and shooting - BABY CHOOSE


                      - this is to say that talking about a sample without having to deal with it in this case is not correct given the close design performance of the samples.
                      1. Joker
                        0
                        10 September 2011 01: 47
                        By the way, a photo of a new Kalash (I hope you will not argue with these).
                        Apparently, they decided to follow this path:

                      2. pavel031976
                        0
                        11 September 2011 23: 39
                        Joker wrote:
                        in case of a breakdown of the counterweight, I think it is possible to constructively disable it (as a techie I don’t see any difficulty in this), in this case the reliability will be completely similar.

                        Thus, you will reduce the reliability of the sample by another certain amount ...
                        1. Joker
                          0
                          11 September 2011 23: 57
                          Here is a good report on the application (not combat truth).

                          http://siloviki-ru.livejournal.com/3876.html

                          Quote: pavel031976
                          Thus, you will reduce the reliability of the sample by another certain amount ...


                          - I think the pros still outweigh.
              2. 0
                30 August 2011 16: 12
                Unfortunately, there is no such experience (specifically AEK and AN) shot with the Colt M16 HK MP5 Uzi. But it’s one thing to shoot, another thing is to rush around with them under bullets and serve in the field (it’s a pity they stopped issuing the Soldier of Fortune magazine where the guys shared their experience).
              3. +1
                30 August 2011 16: 13
                Unfortunately, there is no such experience (specifically AEK and AN) shot with the Colt M16 HK MP5 Uzi. But it’s one thing to shoot, another thing is to rush around with them under bullets and serve in the field (it’s a pity they stopped issuing the Soldier of Fortune magazine where the guys shared their experience).
        2. kirill_stavropol
          -1
          20 August 2011 00: 57
          Yes, all this stupidity is all about the unreliability of the M-16, that it can only be said to be unreliable by a distant person who has never seen not shot and did not hold the M-16, you better not watch the program on NTV, the first and many others, where they say that M- 16 is unreliable, but take real video shoots and look, and 5,45 caliber bullets do not deviate anywhere when shooting through dense vegetation, by the way, NTVshniki themselves confirmed this, although they said otherwise earlier.
          1. +2
            20 August 2011 15: 51
            Man! Have you ever held a weapon in your hands ??? They talk about UNRELIABILITY (who would then let such a "miracle" into the army) but about the COMPARATIVE reliability of one design with another !!! NTVshniki, of course, they are still those PIARasts, but think and compare with your head CAM, no one will put you a ready-made solution in ISKCON! With AK 74 I lived side by side for 5 years, and saw such ancient specimens .... and they shoot !! But show me the M16 with 20 years of depreciation and so as not to wedge ??? I myself have not heard and others speak negatively about such Emki. so sho probably don’t get caught in the PR !!
            ADDITIONALLY: try to use MOTIVATION in the discussion (I remind you: the speech structure is THIS SOMETHING ***** BECAUSE **** so-and-so !!!
            ABOUT CALIBER 5 mm - see other sources - their illness is the same (both in Mki and Akshki !!)
            1. kirill_stavropol
              -3
              20 August 2011 19: 37
              You didn’t hear because you simply didn’t try to find truthful sources, while others add up your opinion from the same state ones. channels, where, as you confirmed, sheer lies.
              About reliability, even comparative, it is not afraid of the M-16, nor sand, nor dirty water, in terms of reliability it is no worse than the same AK.
              And yes, I was holding the AK in my hands, I couldn’t hit the target at the range from 50 meters, I took the rifle I don’t remember the name but apparently it’s like WWII, it’s 100% hit in 10k and this is despite the fact that AK has a big return.
              1. 0
                21 August 2011 23: 06
                By again !! Still, try (since we so suddenly switched to YOU) to motivate your opinion: THIS IS SO BECAUSE ... a simple congress (I quote: "You did not hear because you simply did not try to find") again PIARASTIC trick YOU WERE THAT OBSERVED THROUGH A CASTING WELL ??? (you do not accidentally study to be a correspondent - they teach, especially now, to PRRush Brains). Throw off the link to us dark, where is infa on M16, M4 ??? And so, it's not worth dusting, I can take offense, tea is not a child.
                If you fired from a non-targeted AK (and you are familiar with the term BREAKING TO a normal battle) and a normalized SCS (possibly), then a person's hands should be ripped off ... and iron has nothing to do with it. In addition, you must understand "you are not a fighter" at the shooting range they gave you a couple of shots, but have you ever been in the field? At least during the exercises? How did the machine gun clean ???? And in the database ????
                By the way, in a purely constructive way, the M16 series will run faster ACCORDING TO THE WORDS OF THE MOST PRODUCER (by the way, it is prescribed to use some kind of FM in combat conditions to use AKs and I need to find a number in the advertising campaigns of M16. Here's the zinc: http: //www.gunmaker-t. read narod.ru/vintovka-m16-.html and pay attention to where Mki has a gas engine.
                1. kirill_stavropol
                  -1
                  22 August 2011 08: 50
                  It’s all the same for you, for you, everyone is equal on the Internet.
                  I did not participate in the database, but shot in field operations.
                  Regarding the link, the most common propaganda, by the way with a huge number of inaccuracies and serious errors. And I’ll generally keep silent about the instructor’s letter.
                  And about this FM, did you see the original text ??? I have this FM and in almost every comment about AK and M-16 I meet. But in reality this document was written for special forces that almost never work with American weapons, not because it is bad, but because they work on enemy territory, well, count as spies (scouts), they are taught to shoot from any weapon, in any country.
                  1. 0
                    22 August 2011 23: 22
                    "On you, on you, what's the difference, on the Internet everyone is equal." in principle I agree, but switching to you without permission speaks of lack of culture.
                    And I saw about FM at work by service. And you / you most likely will not see him because he has a neck, if you have guys with the GRU, ask them.
                    In general, it’s strictly all the same to me to convince pot-bellied greens than to wave, you yourself will figure it out (if you survive) if you don’t listen to grandfathers.

                    Yes, and yet learn to justify your opinion, and not just flood .. (childhood rushing ...)
          2. pavel031976
            +1
            27 August 2011 22: 54
            kirill_stavropol, wrote that "... 5,45 caliber bullets do not deviate anywhere when firing through dense vegetation ...". For your information - 5.45 mm bullet due to the combination of such parameters as "flight speed - bullet mass" while moving along its trajectory is on the verge of ballistic stability. Any (!!!) obstacle "erases" this edge - the trajectory CHANGES unpredictably !!! You can imagine what kind of damage to tissues and organs it will cause, once it gets into the body, in addition, it will also remain there. Under the same conditions, a 7,62 mm bullet will simply pass through the body through, undoubtedly, causing a threat to life and health, but compared to the consequences of hitting a 5,45 mm bullet, it is less significant. But NTV specialists can only confirm the characteristics of their cameras and lenses.
            1. +2
              28 August 2011 20: 58
              H. pavel031976, do not engage in educational programs for those who do not want it! Material on the internal and external ballistics of bullets near 5.5 mm is a dime a dozen! The kid is just lazy and very pompous !! With your calculation I completely agree. (7.62 you can "heal" the malekho and such wounds will leave, sho mom do not worry !!!)
      4. 0
        22 February 2012 11: 03
        Quote: Serge
        Kalash - a machine for a soldier of the draft army. A machine for soldiers, most of whom do not give a damn about the weapons that have been secured behind them for a year. All these AEKs, Abakans, etc., etc. - weapons of professionals, that is, people who value and love their weapons.


        just don’t have to fall into heresy .. since in Russia there has been a steady trend towards the creation of a professional army, the fighters must also have professional weapons .. stop thinking in the categories of the century before last ... listen to you, it’s better to recruit conscripts with mosin rifles because, from your words (although why did you get this?), do not give a damn ... so save your thoughts for the Ukrainian army ...
    6. Svyatoslav
      0
      23 July 2011 00: 38
      As if our government, because of the high cost and "bad" characteristics of the AK series 16, did not start purchasing "cheap" and "reliable" M-XNUMXs.
      1. pavel031976
        0
        23 July 2011 21: 02
        The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are close to abandoning the SVD and switching to the Steyr Mannlicher SSG 04. The troops are already there.
        1. Owl
          0
          24 July 2011 02: 34
          how's it going to be with ammunition on the Steyr Mannlicher SSG 04? Will we buy or interrupt shitty cartridges TPZ?
          1. pavel031976
            0
            25 July 2011 06: 34
            So far, the fire training of snipers is carried out with the use of enemy-made bypasses. I wonder why the TPZ bypasses are so bad?
            1. Owl
              0
              26 July 2011 22: 01
              in some pistol cartridges, along with gunpowder, there was gunpowder dust, when fired a flame from the barrel as from a blowtorch, along with noticeable unburned particles of a powder charge, the PPO product is a shell of a bullet from a PMM munition completely filled with lead (the weight of the bullet is higher than a 9x18 PM bullet) but due to the powder charge, the initial speed remained the same
          2. 0
            9 August 2011 16: 36
            OwlEnlighten, we have (well, you- there is no difference for me) that massively stamp snipers ??? even in our country in Khokhland-Khazaria there are no problems ... ento you are not a gun ... And what has been said ??? Economically better to buy for small use.
            1. Owl
              0
              12 August 2011 08: 28
              it is necessary to restore and improve our own production
              1. +1
                28 August 2011 21: 17
                + 100 to respect !! Stop feeding the aliens.
          3. 0
            28 August 2011 21: 16
            For special needs to be purchased. Although woodpeckers in wide stripes can be ours (and even clean them with bricks ...)
        2. +1
          26 July 2011 21: 52
          The Russian Armed Forces are close to abandoning the SVD and switching to the Steyr Mannlicher SSG 04. The troops already have

          why not on Barret, Erma, DSR, H&K?
          1. pavel031976
            +1
            27 July 2011 12: 04
            Because "The giraffe is big - he knows better." smile
    7. +4
      23 July 2011 01: 06
      "The machine is made simply and, probably, a little rough, as they say, assembled on the knee. * The production of such products is acceptable for a small company that creates its models in small rooms and does not have competent personnel. However, for a development plant, this is simply unacceptable. .. "
      Which is not surprising for an enterprise operating on machines manufactured by non-existent countries, or even with swastikas ...
      * - just AK and its "offspring" - this is a weapon of total war and it cannot afford to be too complicated, such are the costs of a super-mass product.
      1. +1
        9 August 2011 16: 52
        Guys! Remember that AK was designed FOR 1 / 3 SUSHI !!! For the country that won the 2 World Conveyor of Armies! And that military production (real) is primarily famous for its cheapness, otherwise it is an ECONOMIC bomb !!! Remember the famous PCA! How many turning parts does he have ??? One-barrel! That's the weapon they won. And even according to some reports, towards the end of the war we had a significant preponderance in saturating the army with machine guns than the Nazis !!
        In connection with the change in the GENERAL TACTICS (the battle is not with massive military units but with small equipped groups), the requirements for the rifleman have changed dramatically !!! Have you guys compared crossbows and bows with aircraft carriers compared !!!

        FROM YOURSELF: damn it is unfortunate that Rezun and others like him like that ... read the banal logic: you need to compare in the same categories.
        I ask no offense: he was seduced by the Resunoids until he read ANTisuvaorov; he himself was not deft in learning tactics at a military university and knew a lot himself .... so listen to your fathers.
        1. +2
          11 August 2011 13: 57
          "According to some reports"? The saturation of automatic weapons among the Soviet units was overwhelming by the 44th year ... And among the Germans, the Mauser was the main infantry weapon until the end of the war ...
          1. +2
            26 February 2012 23: 33
            Quote: Klibanophoros
            And even according to some reports, towards the end of the war we had a significant preponderance in saturating the army with machine guns than the Nazis !!

            All German arms factories for all the years of the war fired about a million submachine guns. Soviet industry during the same time produced more than six million submachine guns (machine guns).
    8. Kerchanin
      +1
      23 July 2011 08: 27
      The most interesting thing in the photographs presented is not the AK-74.
      Judging by the inscription on the store ("7,62 x 39"), this is the reincarnation of the AK-47, hence the increase in weight and improved combat characteristics.
      1. Owl
        +3
        23 July 2011 17: 37
        For "work" in the forest and indoors, the 7,62x39 is superior to the 5,45 mm cartridge
        1. Superduck
          -1
          25 July 2011 10: 54
          I won’t give a lot for your eardrums when you give the 7,62x39 turn in the room.
          1. pavel031976
            +1
            27 July 2011 12: 11
            Eagle Owl RIGHTS. And shooting from a 5,45 mm AK-74 indoors will cause membranes no less harm. You need to open your mouth to save them.
            1. +1
              9 August 2011 17: 29
              guys, and someone shot at you ?? Do you have any database experience? my fingers were shot to me so I was so scared, I forgot to think except that the Schaub would get in the hole from the heifer with a scythe !! And you're talking about eardrums !!! maybe Schaub still not scratch the manicure ???
              1. Owl
                +3
                12 August 2011 08: 30
                I have experience, I shot and shot at me
            2. -3
              9 August 2011 17: 30
              guys, and someone shot at you ?? Do you have any database experience? my fingers were shot to me so I was so scared, I forgot to think except that the Schaub would get in the hole from the heifer with a scythe !! And you're talking about eardrums !!! maybe Schaub still not scratch the manicure ??? It’s ridiculous.
      2. pavel031976
        0
        25 July 2011 06: 36
        AKM (AKMS). AK-47 is already in the museum ...
        1. 0
          12 October 2011 00: 05
          AK-47 is still used in Africa, as intended. smile
    9. pavel031976
      0
      23 July 2011 20: 44
      "left-hand loading handle and reverse fuse." - and what are we talking about?
      1. Owl
        0
        23 July 2011 20: 56
        behind the trigger guard is a fuse blocking the trigger mechanism, the reload handle as it was and remained on the right side
        1. pavel031976
          0
          23 July 2011 21: 15
          Or does it mean the mirror arrangement of the fire translator and the bolt of the bolt on the both sides of the receiver? Well this for such a beast turns out? wink But the fuse that blocks the trigger (pictured) is a useful element. IMHO.
          1. Owl
            +3
            23 July 2011 22: 19
            according to the design of the receiver, it is clear that the translator-fuse cannot be thrown to the left side and no one changed the reloading handle, as for the fuse-blocker, the benefit from it is minimal. there is more harm, in a stressful situation you will forget about it, you will lose time and die, I forbade my submachine gunners to drive the cartridge into the chamber during the day and during night walks, but the translator-fuse's flag was always set to "single fire" bolt and send the cartridge into the chamber than in the mud, after running from under the fire, find the fuse), only snipers with low-noise weapons had the cartridge in the chamber and the fuse turned on
            1. pavel031976
              0
              25 July 2011 06: 27
              To some extent, I agree with you. But! Still, with the use of the trigger "blocker" 1c (or even as many as 2 !!!) play in your favor. I can justify.
    10. 0
      26 July 2011 21: 57
      In principle, everything is clear, like he and his fellow ..., the defense industry as a whole is there, for that the organizers of the Olympics and the World Cup in football, I’m ... in Sochi there is already a lot of money that you can build 2 (two) AUGs , and still remain in the army, that’s the whole canoe about our goats - politicians ...
      1. 0
        20 August 2011 15: 54
        I agree, brother, only a clarification: not politicians, but agents of influence ....
      2. +2
        21 August 2011 23: 29
        Yes BL ** b sadly something with the army: I DON'T WANT to give my son back to the army in which the military is judged by peaceful rules in military conditions (like Budanova PIDO * s drained !!) SU * And people, you numbed clogged up. At least someone took an interest in the story of Budanov ?? So far, the ARMY will be the executive element of the Zion Protocols, the Marshal's Plans. I do not want her.
    11. Patriot 05
      +1
      6 August 2011 13: 32
      I want to try later and you can comment.
      1. +4
        20 August 2011 00: 43
        go to the army.
        1. 0
          20 August 2011 15: 55
          + 100 to respect the coolest answer to all questions in this thread !!!
    12. KASKAD
      0
      20 August 2011 01: 50
      In the first photo, the "new" Kalash has a four-row magazine for 60 rounds
      1. Joker
        0
        26 August 2011 22: 51
        It's bad that not from "translucent" plastic, but from black ..
        1. pavel031976
          -1
          9 September 2011 21: 48
          Yes, it’s still bad that the machine is not pink and the bow is not tied to it ... wink
          1. Joker
            0
            10 September 2011 14: 33
            Don’t be dumb, instead of considering your cartridges to be something more useful during fire contact, especially if there are 60 of them
            1. pavel031976
              0
              11 September 2011 16: 47
              ... sexually ...
              1. pavel031976
                +1
                11 September 2011 17: 36
                Respected Joker! "Google", as you advise everyone, clone information on various resources and then upload it here, as you do - everyone can do it. Honor and praise to you for the brilliant development of search engines !!! No more. And pettiness, categorical denial of his defeat and a manic desire to be "recognized" by everyone are signs of clouding of consciousness and mental disorder. I sympathize. Thank you for your time. I can imagine what response I will get to this message ...
                PS By the way, your nickname is a compensation for self-doubt. Now complain ... wink
                1. Joker
                  0
                  11 September 2011 20: 01
                  Well then.

                  Quote: pavel031976
                  "Google", as you advise everyone, clone information on various resources and then upload it here, as you do - everyone can do it.


                  - I’m looking for information one thing and be able to compare a little different, I wish you luck in this (in addition to the Internet, I recommend reading magazines on a topic of interest, seriously expanding my horizons).

                  Quote: pavel031976
                  And pettiness, categorical denial of their defeat and a manic desire to be "recognized" by everyone are signs of clouding of consciousness and mental disorder.


                  - if I am in some way wrong, then I agree and the "categorical denial" of someone else's rightness, then it rather refers to you (and here it is really in a manic form, see below).

                  As for manic nature, it’s even funny to hear from a character who combed with persistent fanaticism from the comments in order to flush them out, it is in this case that a somewhat inadequate perception of reality is observed. A man with a formed outlook on life would reasonably prove his point of view.

                  The dialogue above and your answer
                  Quote: pavel031976
                  ..floor contact ...

                  is a logical proof written by me.
                  1. Joker
                    0
                    11 September 2011 20: 46
                    PS about Nick, everyone sees first of all what he wants to see.

                    I recommend reading on object 279, the nickname primarily refers to this machine.
                    1. 0
                      11 September 2011 21: 36
                      Semi-transparent plastic will still crap after a month in the conditions of the database, and four-row styling will not make it possible to accurately determine the number of cartridges remaining.
                      1. Joker
                        0
                        11 September 2011 22: 21
                        And the exact and not necessary, see the approximate amount (to be able to see) is very useful. As for what gets jammed - well, you can wipe it like a new one will not, of course, but I think it will be possible to determine the number of cartridges.
                      2. 0
                        12 September 2011 11: 59
                        and four-row stacking will not allow the exact determination of the number of remaining cartridges.

                        and who prevents every tenth from charging the tracer.
                        1. pavel031976
                          0
                          12 September 2011 13: 20
                          The tracer performs another task. And if the store is properly equipped, then it contains: PS - 22 pcs., T - 6 pcs., PP - 2 pcs. That is, the tracer - every fifth.
                        2. 0
                          12 September 2011 13: 34
                          I'm about 60 charging store
                        3. pavel031976
                          0
                          12 September 2011 13: 45
                          Nothing will change, only in such a store there will be PS - 44 pieces, T - 12 pieces, PP - 4 pieces. Again "T" -shka - every 5th (talking about 5,45 mm ammunition)
            2. pavel031976
              0
              12 September 2011 00: 02
              To equip a 4-row magazine with 60 rounds, it takes 2 times more time. What does this mean - no one needs to explain.
              1. Joker
                +1
                12 September 2011 08: 08
                And you are stubborn .. wink

                If the situation is critical, you can also unload, for example, 30 rounds of ammunition.
                1. 0
                  12 September 2011 11: 58
                  All it is of course so. But, do you know why there are exactly 8 rounds in the PM ??? Because (including for other reasons) the barrel "holds" exactly 8 shots one after another, otherwise after 8 it gives a decent spread. Will the barrel withstand the AK (the PKK will withstand) a burst of 60 rounds? Or after 30 - the bullets will fall out of the barrel ... (THIS IS MY OPINION - I DO NOT APPLY FOR TRUTH).
                  According to the experience of "adult games" (paintball, airsoft), he often "perished" when NOSKNOS met an enemy and an empty horn. So I support it.
                  1. pavel031976
                    +1
                    12 September 2011 13: 40
                    Probably because it will no longer fit. Well, unless, if you charge another one directly into the chamber. Here
                2. pavel031976
                  0
                  12 September 2011 13: 00
                  Well. We returned to our rams - to stores for 30 rounds. wink The use of two interconnected stores of 30 rounds of tape - this is the signal for the need to introduce stores of 60 rounds. Although this may entail a number of nuances - from the separation of ammunition to changes in technology in the light industry (pouches, unloading, etc., etc.).
                  1. 0
                    12 September 2011 13: 30
                    The use of two interconnected tape stores 30 rounds

                    For a long time, connecting clips are sold, or take from the PKK, you can buy shtatovskie crafts:

                    1. pavel031976
                      +1
                      12 September 2011 13: 37
                      I represent the face of the inspector when I go out to the regiment's drill with one of these "useful" devices .... smile
                      1. 0
                        12 September 2011 13: 39
                        [img] http://desantura.ru/bitrix/components/bitrix/forum.interface/show_file.php?
                        fid = 106369 [/ img]

                        1. pavel031976
                          0
                          12 September 2011 13: 52
                          pardon me! Something is not visible ...
            3. 0
              12 September 2011 11: 46
              tied with the Joker - a very unpleasant thing for people to see: reload automatic when they shoot you.
    13. Man from the south
      0
      7 September 2011 23: 55
      The Picatinny rail is good. It’s only a shame that sights and other devices will be bought abroad, instead of being produced by ourselves.
    14. pavel031976
      0
      11 September 2011 21: 03
      For some reason, not a word about bk ... Does anyone know? Or is everything the same as the AK-74?
      1. 0
        12 September 2011 09: 02
        A BC only two types, 7.62 X 54 mm and 5.45 X 39 mm plus export 5.56 X 45 mm Nato and 7,6251 mm Nato, although the latter will most likely not be.
        1. pavel031976
          0
          12 September 2011 12: 46
          I mean the number and types of ammunition in 1 ammunition (based on the fact that the BK is a settlement and supply unit). For example, for AK it is 450 rounds, PM - 16 pcs, etc., etc.
          1. 0
            12 September 2011 13: 06
            Most likely as on ak 74.
            1. pavel031976
              0
              12 September 2011 13: 33
              PSih2097 писал
              7.62 X 54 mm
              Really? smile
              1. 0
                12 September 2011 13: 45
                oops, wrong, 7,62x39.
    15. dred
      0
      11 November 2011 17: 31
      I heard about the new madification of ak-12
    16. Sleptsoff
      0
      15 January 2012 20: 43
      God, what a wretched build quality we have, when will finally our "craftsmen" understand that weapons should inspire respect, and the "made on the knee" style is no longer rolling in the 21st century. I am sure if the products of Izhmash would have a more presentable look, they would be more popular, including in the West. Collective farmers from Izhmash should take a look, for example, at H&K 416 to understand what to strive for.
    17. 0
      3 March 2012 21: 04
      Please tell me, who, while maintaining the database, changed the AK to M-16 or a similar construction of Western production? In my opinion, there is no need for the latest automatic machine for the army. The latest developments are needed for specialists !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    18. survivor
      +2
      25 August 2012 15: 16
      I don’t understand why the Kalashnikov is bad? is the accuracy of singles bad? so do not confuse an assault rifle and a sniper rifle. Completely different tasks. Not convenient in battle? explain with what. I think the professional will find a way to remake the grip and butt for himself. Big recoil? hmm, yes, it is, but again, not fatal. than to alter the machine, is it not better to start the production of tuning (the handles are the same, butts), but to increase the service life of the year by two. in a year it is not possible to learn how to professionally use any weapon, especially if you are given it three times for five minutes for the entire service life. if a soldier spent the same amount of time in the shooting range as a professional, and not with a crowbar of chalk, then in one and a half or two years, he will fully learn the weapon and learn to "perfectly" own them! for a year in the army, not soldiers, random people trying to somehow "unwind" the term and they did not rattle about this weapon! remember how before the war they taught the use of weapons? the whole movement was "Voroshilov shooter". if you don’t know how to shoot with a rifle, not a single girl will dance with you, for you are not a man, a snotty boy. so accustomed to the knowledge of weapons, to the ability to take care of them, to shoot. Naturally, the guy got into the army already knowing what he would defend his Motherland with and ready to fulfill this sacred duty, but what now? Yes, no matter how much you hang on the AK, it will remain AK! and the conscript will not sensibly shoot from it. why would he need it? a year of all to serve ... instead of changing the whole, albeit outdated, but reliable machine, give it to the masses! revive DOSAAF! interest young people not in words, but in deeds! that's when a boy from 14 years old can pick up a machine gun, but for encouragement he will be for good studies, come to a shooting range, to a shooting range and shoot, then the attitude towards weapons will be different !!! and naturally the soldier will be more prepared, not cannon fodder. by the way, the three-line rifle is also not a very convenient rifle, but they did not complain and beat the Fritz !!! and not only from it ...
      1. +1
        7 January 2018 17: 20
        A colleague absolutely agrees with you!
    19. +1
      7 January 2018 17: 17
      AK 103, 104, and so on. this weapon is already completely self-sufficient, it makes no sense to hang it with additional devices, well, except that a store for 60 rounds of 7.62x39, or 5.45x39, the purpose of the body kit with additional devices is not entirely clear to me. If you need small arms with special capabilities, then special forces fighters have such weapons, and AKs of the hundredth or two hundredth are general arms and in themselves quite good weapons. If you want to make something even better out of AK, you need to answer a simple question why and why it is needed, or maybe you should think about weapons with a fundamentally new weapon built on a completely new principle of operation, then a completely new concept of its application is needed.

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