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200-series AK - view from two sides

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About the new machine it is known that the 200-i series will have an advantage in the efficiency of use compared to previous models on the 40-50%. As follows from the statement Grodetsky, the new machine will have a bar that is designed for mounting additional equipment - laser sights, sights and a flashlight.

The upgraded Kalashnikov with 74 marking and 5,45 caliber of millimeter has a side-folding plastic butt and dovetail bar, which is designed for mounting optical sights. The AK-74M rate of fire is within 600 rounds per minute. This machine was adopted in the 1995 year.

The original model of the Kalashnikov assault rifle was developed in 1947, and only two years later the Soviet Army adopted it. Over the course of time, the Kalashnikov improved, new modifications appeared, the “100th series” (including models from AK-101 to AK105), which appeared in 90's, was considered the newest until now. Kalashnikov assault rifles were adopted in 55 countries. Some states, for example, China are engaged in the manufacture of “Kalashnikovs” without a license.

Next, we give two views, two positions on this world-famous machine gun. The first look at the machine will be a review of the modified "Kalashnikov", which were produced by the American company Krebbs custom guns. An order from this firm was made, still unknown, by entrepreneurs from Iraq. The second glance will be the local Izhevsk automaton, the consideration of the models will be supplied with comments by Comrade. Fox. Mentioned comrade. Lees was a member of the Afghan company and worked for a long time at the Rzhevsky training ground.

Tov. Lees points out that during his service in Afghanistan he used the Kalashnikov firm Krebbs, which was brought from the camp of the enemy. According to him, the impressions of using this machine can be compared with the impressions of using a new imported car after the Russian one. However, the estimated cost of such weapons quite high.

Regarding the Kalashnikovs produced at the Izhevsk plant, there were no comments, but the silence was significant.

So we see:

Some picattini planks have been added to the automatic machine, the handle has been made more or less ergonomic, a safety device has been added under the thumb of the right hand, which, unfortunately, is not connected in any way with the standard safety device-translator, but simply locks the trigger.



The machine is made simple and probably a little rough, as they say, on the knee assembled. The production of such products is permissible for a small company that creates its own models in small premises and does not have competent personnel. However, for a factory developer, this is simply unacceptable. It should be noted normal and rather rigid landing of a level on a gas outlet tube.




The cover of the receiver, which is located on the other side of the ledge in the front part, is mounted on the axle, and in the rear part there is a contactor, somewhat resembling designs on the SVD or Valmet.



In the aggregate, this should ensure uniformity of fit of the receiver cover after opening. Most likely, this design eliminates the need to verify the sights installed on the cover plate each time after cleaning. On the bar are colored dots that indicate the seats for sights of different types.

Landing the cap on the axle was made possible by the redesigned assembly of open sights. The automat block remained the same, but the bar was shortened and the drum with an eccentric was put in place of the clamp and the curved sector. In this regard, the bar has become shorter and the opportunity to install the hinge of the receiver cover has become available.



The new model has a ramrod in the butt. In addition to the butt added antabka.



It is necessary to distinguish between the desire to correct the shortcomings of the AK and the desire to make of the machine only the external similarity of foreign Masad, AR15, Stg552. Based on this, and need to develop future models.

For example, the company Krebs, creates exactly the external similarity of AR15 from AK and this is due to the nature of the demand in the American civilian market.

It would be appropriate to recall the words of Gabe, Suarez: “no need to make an M16 rifle from AK”. This quote suggests that you should not confuse the purpose and technology of different types of weapons. It should not be added to Kalashnikov, heavy non-ergonomic body kit, just for the view.

What are the fundamental flaws over which to think in the new millennium, does AK have?

Low firing accuracy (compared to Western rifles) single shots.
Considerable kickback and toss, especially in 7.62
Difficulties when installing optics.
Non-ergonomic regular handle.
No store neck.
No automatic shutter lag.
Non-ergonomic butt
Non-ergonomic fuse
Imperfect regular mechanical sight (although this item may be controversial).

So, let's take a closer look at each item.

The accuracy of solitary fire. This item is determined not so much by the defects of the model as by poor-quality production, since it is possible to find both heap and very dull copies. So the whole thing in the quality of factory production, which needs to be improved.

Recoil and toss. Changing the mass of moving parts, caliber or scheme of work of automation, will lead not to improvement, but to the creation of a new rifle. To reduce recoil and toss it is necessary to use active and reactive muzzle devices to reduce recoil. These devices are well developed in the Russian FPSR, and many are used on 7.62 machines. Therefore, the introduction of an optimal compensator in mass production is the best solution.

Installing optics. Since AK46-1 “turned over” and acquired a classic layout, this issue is problematic for AK. However, this problem can be solved, but for the solution it is necessary to understand which optics will be used. The most optimal are the Aimpoint T1 and Aimpoint H1 collimators, the latest versions of EOTech (but they are inferior to the previous ones in terms of size and power consumption). How to install such a sight? The answer is clear - an ultimakovsky gas outlet is needed, and in order to make an Ultimak analogue of steel, only desire is needed. Thus, you can get the sight, which is located on the sighting line of mechanics and through which you can see the mechanics. At the same time, the installation of a flashlight is a completely solvable question, the solution is, for example, installing a flashlight on Ultimak using a VTOR adapter.

Absolutely incomprehensible maniache, with which a whole modern world hangs Kallachnik rails. For what? Do you have so many optics with Pikatinievsky mount? Or are you going with the help of an adapter with a dovetail to hang on AK Hyperon? Or, even funnier, Cobra on the Weaver, which has overall dimensions and power consumption of Tefalev iron? Damn, how to ruin the brain, better pack up Eympoint, anyway, at the cost of maintenance and the percentage of marriage it will be cheaper than the Cobra, especially since 15 of Eympoints is taken for the cost of one Hyperon !!!

Native handle fire control. There is evidence that the fighters of the Special Forces UFSIN UR have made ergonomic handles made of wood for themselves for quite some time, and this says a lot. In fact, this issue does not require any “revolutionary transformations” of the structure and such things. It is enough just to put commercial handles into production. At the same time, the installation of such handles (Russian, Israeli or American) takes a small amount of time, and the costs are not large. However, the benefits of this innovation, in terms of using AKs, can be substantial.

Neck and slide lag. These are things that are needed for sports, but in order to use this in order to arm the army, you will need to change the store format, which has remained unchanged for over 60 years. It becomes clear that such costs are not entirely reasonable, of course, you can redo the machine for the NATO standard, copy Masadovsky stores. However, it is unlikely for anyone to think of buying such a modification of Kalashnikov, with a converted store, the cost of which will significantly exceed the cost of existing models.

Butt. The idea of ​​placing a ramrod in the butt may seem quite interesting, but this is not a mandatory innovation. The existing black stock AK100 is self-sufficient, it is universal and does not require add-ons. Such as, for example, the slot under the strap of the butt plates GP30, which do not yet exist as such.

Fuse. It is the sacred cow of modern tactics. The standard lever can be used at a fairly high speed. If you use a fuse with a flag similar to Boar-12, then the removal speed will be at least not less than that of the AR15 fuse. Probably no more innovations are required. However, improvements with a fuse on the left side and the action of the reverse natural movement is another attempt to rework the AK in AR15. In fact, the fuse is not so often used and most needed to carry a weapon, so a normal switching speed is an ample option.

Mechanics. This item is the last in the list, but not the last. It is worth noting that when shooting at dusk or the rapid transfer of fire, the AK strap works and, at the same time, at a sufficiently high level. In this case, a tritium insert in the Kalashnikov front sight, for shooting in low-light conditions, can become a fully justified and practical addition. At the same time, the cost of 70 dollars on Brounels allows everyone to use this option. For the mechanics of the machine does not need research and a huge number of slats, as well as there is no need for enhanced locking the receiver cover. Some additions are superfluous, it should be considered.

In conclusion, it should be said that although the new Kalashnikov looks quite impressive in the photo. In fact, it does not have any fundamental differences from its predecessors. It implemented not a large number of innovations. In particular, it is a modified ergonomics. The left-hand crank on the left and the current fuse are quite controversial.
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  1. Rico1977
    Rico1977 22 July 2011 14: 47 New
    +2
    Why the hell ... so much corrugation. Just a vacuum cleaner to collect dust and dirt
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 22 July 2011 15: 02 New
      +2
      This is the Picatinny rail for attaching the attachment.
      1. air wolf
        air wolf 18 September 2014 12: 10 New
        +2
        What attachment? to hell with a collimator, to hell with a flashlight, pens, etc. all these Pribluda only in Hollywood films, make it harder and less mobile, if you need a scope, there is PSO-1 and others. And the poppet grenade launcher, the radius of destruction is 8-10 m. Hand grenades too Avno, in the movies they explode beautifully, but really zilch)))
        And the conclusion: AKM, AK-74 weapons of victory, and the M-16 pederasts)))
  2. Joker
    Joker 22 July 2011 15: 15 New
    +8
    It would be better if they didn’t suffer, but they launched it into the AEK-971 series, in terms of device design and reliability it is similar to Kalash (Kalashov automation scheme), but many times more accurately.
    1. grandfather
      grandfather 22 July 2011 15: 33 New
      0
      I agree with you the joker at AEK-971 accuracy of fire is one of the best and for convenience it is also better. throws up less. generally a sample of what you need. especially the latest releases.
    2. pavel031976
      pavel031976 25 July 2011 06: 58 New
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      The circuit is different.
      1. Joker
        Joker 25 July 2011 09: 09 New
        +1
        For pavel031976

        The automation scheme is similar for them, see the pictures ..

        http://warinform.ru/News-view-271.html
        1. Joker
          Joker 25 July 2011 11: 03 New
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          Here is the diagram of AEK-971
        2. Joker
          Joker 25 July 2011 11: 04 New
          +2
          AEK-971

          1. Joker
            Joker 25 July 2011 11: 24 New
            0
            PS "Additional" details go by numbers 3 (top) and 7.
            1. pavel031976
              pavel031976 28 July 2011 01: 14 New
              +1
              In your opinion: TRAM = TROLLEYBUS winked
              1. Joker
                Joker 28 July 2011 09: 26 New
                +1
                A couple of additional details does not change the general scheme of weapons, in my opinion the diagram shows available, remove the "additional" details (3B and 7) - there will be a Kalash scheme.

                That is, in your opinion - to add a trailer to UAZ and there will be a technically completely new car.
                1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
                  Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 9 August 2011 16: 58 New
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                  Well, you are a GENIUS !!! Take away the barrel and vseravno Kalash !!! Klats Majestic Logic !! And if in any mechanism there appears MAAAlkaya unnecessary detail, a grain of sand that will overwhelm the trigger, also fiHnya-vseravno Kalash !!!! wassat And Kalash is a clack! IRON LOGIC.
                2. pavel031976
                  pavel031976 30 August 2011 14: 45 New
                  +1
                  ... "With a flick of the wrist ... the pants are turning ... the pants are turning ..."
    3. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
      Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 9 August 2011 15: 09 New
      0
      Is there infa on the reliability of AEK and AN 94 Abakan ?? Reviews are very ambiguous ....
      1. Joker
        Joker 11 August 2011 08: 52 New
        +2
        As for Abakan, I completely agree, this set of cables cannot be called reliable.

        As for AEK, in the first reviews there can’t be any particulars, it isn’t mass-produced in my opinion, and secondly, if I’m not right about the similarity of structures, justify it.
    4. the47th
      the47th 11 May 2019 09: 56 New
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      A simple soldier does not need high accuracy. It justifies itself only if the shooter is not curved and knows how to accurately determine the distance to the target, and aim. Plus, the accuracy of AEK-971 is offset by the curvature of domestic cartridges
      An exact machine is needed for those who know how to shoot. And in the hands of the average soldier, an assault rifle with a large dispersion will have a high probability of hitting.
      When we put rifle systems in service, which automatically correct at least for range, then we can talk about a massive precision assault rifle. (DPRK, by the way, mastered such toys to adopt.)
  3. Esso
    Esso 22 July 2011 18: 56 New
    +3
    We need not a modification, but a new weapon. Fundamentally new, and not a banal modification of AK.
    1. Owl
      Owl 23 July 2011 17: 31 New
      +11
      It is very reliable, there was a case when the AK-74M, which was clogged with liquid mud and powder deposits, refused to send the cartridge into the chamber, the cartridge was sent with a “light” kick to the handle of the bolt reloading, resting the barrel in a kind of wallowing board in the mud. M-16 with its piston for the final closure of the shutter - for reliability does not even lie nearby. Our misfortune: the disgusting quality of ammunition, the early abandonment of the caliber of 7,62x39, the weak range of ammunition, the lack of a sufficient number of normal collimator sights, the absence (wretchedness) of tactical flashlights. I only once failed the AK, in the explosion, the bolt frame was twisted.
    2. pavel031976
      pavel031976 25 July 2011 07: 01 New
      +1
      Yeah! Jedi Swords ... from the Star Wars TV Series wink
    3. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
      Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 9 August 2011 17: 04 New
      +2
      H. Esso, but tell me why you "..not a modification, but a new weapon .." within the framework of what tactics, strategy, concept will you use it ??? Who do you think brains ??? excuse me...
      Maybe you should first discuss the concept of using the Troops at the present stage, and understand if we need to change something ???? And then look what and how ???
  4. datur
    datur 22 July 2011 22: 41 New
    +1
    Joker,
    grandfather- Alas, we have a monopoly of Izhmash.
  5. Serge
    Serge 22 July 2011 23: 03 New
    +7
    Joker, Grandfather, how much will it cost to re-equip a plant under AEK-971, how much will it cost to change production lines? Did you consider that?
    Have you personally personally shot this aek? Did you serve him?
    Probably not!
    I worked a lot with Kalash, I know all its pros and cons, a good, simple, reliable machine !!!
    Kalash - a machine for a soldier of the draft army. Automatic for soldiers, most of which do not give a damn about the weapons that are secured behind them for a year.
    All these AEKs, Abakans, etc., etc. - weapons of professionals, that is, people who value and love their weapons.
    1. Owl
      Owl 23 July 2011 17: 35 New
      +1
      I agree to the account of the AN-94, on the third day of some kind of exhibition (2000), the AN-94 did not even recharge to the question "why?" the machine was carried away from the stand ...
    2. Joker
      Joker 25 July 2011 09: 23 New
      +1
      Earring

      I know Kalash personally.

      My very good acquaintance dealt with AEK while studying at the academy as an officer.

      Abakan yes, it’s very complicated, AEK-971 is not much more complicated.

      http://warinform.ru/News-view-271.html
      1. Joker
        Joker 25 July 2011 11: 02 New
        0
        Here is a diagram of the machine AEK-971

      2. Joker
        Joker 25 July 2011 15: 49 New
        +1
        PS AEK is not much more complicated than Kalash.
        1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
          Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 21 August 2011 23: 17 New
          +1
          H. JokerNot much like that ??? And the mote is enough! Although, I can agree with this: the tactics of hostilities have changed - the survivability of weapons is not so MAY not so important .... but we need infa. Share it. That's how they tested AK read, but not on others (frankly speaking, the point is that AK and AEK are peers !!)
      3. pavel031976
        pavel031976 9 September 2011 21: 58 New
        0
        Abakan has a more complex structure than AEK ...
        1. Joker
          Joker 11 September 2011 20: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Joker
          Abakan, yes, very complex,


          1. pavel031976
            pavel031976 11 September 2011 21: 20 New
            0
            Why are you doing this, Joker? In my opinion - these are your words ... or not?
            1. pavel031976
              pavel031976 11 September 2011 22: 14 New
              0
              Joker,
              Abakan yes, very complicated, AEK-971 - not much more difficult.
              1. Joker
                Joker 11 September 2011 23: 05 New
                0
                Well, yes.

                Abakan is a complex machine, AEK is almost like a Kalash, I meant it.
                1. pavel031976
                  pavel031976 11 September 2011 23: 25 New
                  0
                  Yeah, now I understand ... the continuation was a post below.
    3. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
      Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 9 August 2011 16: 32 New
      -1
      SW Serge! I saw a pro weapon, also AK only tuned for myself. Not some AEK or AN (who will share their experience of using in battle ??) but AK, which was then proven. If you want to play with death, play Russian roulette.
      For tuning right now there are no problems. Go from AK to ... what ??? There’s nothing to it. there are no such weapons in terms of reliability and quality at the same time. NOT.

      By the way, who knows what internal circulars (in my opinion even FM somehow ..) are prescribed in combat use AK ?? And only when filming - always M16 !!! There you have the confession !! Why refuse ????
      1. Joker
        Joker 11 August 2011 08: 57 New
        +1
        I do not deny the legend of Kalash, and I respect this automatic machine myself, but I say that a thing has appeared that, while remaining reliable at its level, has an advantage in firing accuracy.
        1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
          Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 22 August 2011 23: 25 New
          0
          Is there info ?? Throw off the zinc! Field tests of AN and AEK are very necessary !! Thank you in advance.
          1. Joker
            Joker 25 August 2011 01: 28 New
            0
            I read about AA in magazines (brother, weapon, gun master, etc., there, between the term, in the context, you can understand, well, or seeing AN in the analysis, about AEK, too, plus the memories of a friend. According to him, 7,62 AEK was significantly superior in Precision Kalash 5,45.
            1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
              Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 28 August 2011 20: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Joker
              I read about AA in magazines (brother, weapon, gun master, etc., there, between the term, in the context, you can understand, well, or seeing AN in the analysis, about AEK, too, plus the memories of a friend. According to him, 7,62 AEK was significantly superior in Precision Kalash 5,45.

              I apologize uv. pavel031976 sho pushed, but uv. Joker, right, let Google google and find a video from Kovrovtsy on AEK where they themselves admit that yes AK is exactly weaker than AN and AEK, but NOT COMPARABLE FOR RELIABILITY. And the resume of the film is overwhelming reliability.
              1. pavel031976
                pavel031976 29 August 2011 00: 17 New
                +1
                H. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)!! The Joker in his post on August 11 at 8:57 pointed out that "... there was a thing (as I understood it - AEK) that remained on reliability at its (as I understood AK) level"... I did not agree with this nonsense in my post. But with respect to such a criterion as ACCURACY - I AGREE. But this notorious accuracy is achieved by a sharp decrease in reliability. Personally, my choice is AK (modifications).
                1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
                  Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 30 August 2011 16: 21 New
                  0
                  AMEN! (http://dal.sci-lib.com/word000291.html)
        2. pavel031976
          pavel031976 28 August 2011 00: 47 New
          +2
          Joker, You're not right!!! Reliability AEK (not to mention AN) <reliability AK. If we consider that “reliability is the probability of failure-free operation”, then with the inclusion of additional nodes this “probability” decreases, because the probability of failure-free operation of a group of objects is equal to the product of the probability of failure-free operation of each object in this group. Our average soldier is not a master of sports in bullet shooting, therefore, such a factor as accuracy of shooting has less weight than reliability - therefore, the AK-74 is armed with modifications.
          1. Joker
            Joker 30 August 2011 13: 59 New
            0
            Krylovets 2000 (HVVKU) / pavel031976

            Do any of you have experience with AEK?

            Personally, I don’t, but I can refer to the experience of a friend who has dealt with this machine. According to him, reliability is at the level of Kalash.

            If someone has personal experience, or other useful information (we do not take theoretical research, it is possible to obtain diametrically opposite results from them), then I ask for discussion.
            1. pavel031976
              pavel031976 30 August 2011 14: 31 New
              0
              Joker! What is in your concept (or in the concept of your comrade) - RELIABILITY? How did your friend determine AEK RELIABILITY? Moreover - how could he compare RELIABILITY? He poured sand into the receiver, sent a cartridge into the chamber, fired, a shot occurred, a bullet hit the target ....? "Oh! Everything is the same as in AK, only AEK is newer, therefore cooler!" thought your comrade. So what? And what are you going to discuss without having the practice of using the sample? And personal experience is a purely subjective opinion, which is different for everyone, you know.
              1. Joker
                Joker 9 September 2011 17: 20 New
                0
                You apparently shot and ran with AEK in the sands and fields, and he didn’t suit you with something, or did you see another detail and shout about unreliability?

                As for the details on the experience of shooting a friend - I can’t clarify at the moment because the connection with him is lost.
                1. pavel031976
                  pavel031976 9 September 2011 21: 39 New
                  -1
                  Respected! 1) Read ATTENTIVELY my posts - I do not "scream" that AEK is unreliable, its reliability is lower (less, or whatever you like). 2) You did not answer the question addressed to you. 3) I recommend that you learn to call a spade a spade. 4) about running and shooting - BABY CHOOSE
                  1. Joker
                    Joker 10 September 2011 01: 00 New
                    0
                    Quote: pavel031976
                    I do not "scream" that AEK is unreliable, its reliability is lower (less, or whatever you like).


                    - in the event of a breakdown of the counterweight, I think it is possible to constructively disable it (as a techie I don’t see any difficulty in this), in which case the reliability will be fully is similar.

                    Quote: pavel031976
                    2) You did not answer the question addressed to you.


                    - please repeat your question, re-read the posts but did not understand what it was about.

                    Quote: pavel031976
                    3) I recommend that you learn to call a spade a spade.


                    -?


                    Quote: pavel031976
                    4) about running and shooting - BABY CHOOSE


                    - this is to say that talking about a sample without having to deal with it in this case is not correct given the close design performance of the samples.
                    1. Joker
                      Joker 10 September 2011 01: 47 New
                      0
                      By the way, a photo of a new Kalash (I hope you will not argue with these).
                      Apparently, they decided to follow this path:

                    2. pavel031976
                      pavel031976 11 September 2011 23: 39 New
                      0
                      Joker wrote:
                      in case of a breakdown of the counterweight, I think it is possible to constructively disable it (as a techie I don’t see any difficulty in this), in this case the reliability will be completely similar.

                      Thus, you will reduce the reliability of the sample by another certain amount ...
                      1. Joker
                        Joker 11 September 2011 23: 57 New
                        0
                        Here is a good report on the application (not combat truth).

                        http://siloviki-ru.livejournal.com/3876.html

                        Quote: pavel031976
                        Thus, you will reduce the reliability of the sample by another certain amount ...


                        - I think the pros still outweigh.
            2. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
              Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 30 August 2011 16: 12 New
              0
              Unfortunately, there is no such experience (specifically AEK and AN) shot with the Colt M16 HK MP5 Uzi. But it’s one thing to shoot, another thing is to rush around with them under bullets and serve in the field (it’s a pity they stopped issuing the Soldier of Fortune magazine where the guys shared their experience).
            3. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
              Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 30 August 2011 16: 13 New
              +1
              Unfortunately, there is no such experience (specifically AEK and AN) shot with the Colt M16 HK MP5 Uzi. But it’s one thing to shoot, another thing is to rush around with them under bullets and serve in the field (it’s a pity they stopped issuing the Soldier of Fortune magazine where the guys shared their experience).
      2. kirill_stavropol
        kirill_stavropol 20 August 2011 00: 57 New
        -1
        Yes, all this stupidity is all about the unreliability of the M-16, that it can only be said to be unreliable by a distant person who has never seen not shot and did not hold the M-16, you better not watch the program on NTV, the first and many others, where they say that M- 16 is unreliable, but take real video shoots and look, and 5,45 caliber bullets do not deviate anywhere when shooting through dense vegetation, by the way, NTVshniki themselves confirmed this, although they said otherwise earlier.
        1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
          Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 20 August 2011 15: 51 New
          +2
          Person! Have you ever held some kind of weapon in your hands ??? They talk about UNRELIABILITY (who would have let such an “miracle” into the army) and about COMPARATIVE reliability of one design with another !!! NTVshniki, of course, they are still those PIARastas, but think and compare the head with YOURSELF, no one will put a ready-made solution for you in MOSCOW! With AK 74, I lived side by side for years, and saw such ancient specimens .... and they shoot !! But show me M5 with 16 years of depreciation and so as not to wedge ??? I myself have not heard and others speak negatively about such Emki. so sho probably don’t fall for PR himself !!
          ADDITIONALLY: try to use MOTIVATION in the discussion (I remind you: the speech structure is THIS SOMETHING ***** BECAUSE **** so-and-so !!!
          ABOUT CALIBER 5 mm - see other sources - their illness is the same (both in Mki and Akshki !!)
          1. kirill_stavropol
            kirill_stavropol 20 August 2011 19: 37 New
            -3
            You didn’t hear because you simply didn’t try to find truthful sources, while others add up your opinion from the same state ones. channels, where, as you confirmed, sheer lies.
            About reliability, even comparative, it is not afraid of the M-16, nor sand, nor dirty water, in terms of reliability it is no worse than the same AK.
            And yes, I was holding the AK in my hands, I couldn’t hit the target at the range from 50 meters, I took the rifle I don’t remember the name but apparently it’s like WWII, it’s 100% hit in 10k and this is despite the fact that AK has a big return.
            1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
              Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 21 August 2011 23: 06 New
              0
              Again by !! Nevertheless, try (since we so suddenly switched to YOU) to motivate your opinion: THIS IS SO, BECAUSE ... a simple congress (quote: "You didn’t hear because you simply didn’t try to find") again the PR receiver you watched through the well ??? (you do not accidentally study as a correspondent - they teach you, especially now, how to PR-stimulate the brain). Throw the link to us dark where there is info on M16, M4 ??? And so, dusting is not worth it, I can take offense, tea is not a child.
              If you shot from a non-shot AK (and the term Bringing to normal combat is familiar to you) and normalized SCS (maybe), then you need to tear off your hands to a person ... and nothing to do with iron. In addition, understand "you are an unshooted warrior" at the shooting range they gave you a couple of times to shoot, but have you ever been in the field? At least in the exercises? How did the machine clean ???? And in a DB ????
              By the way, in a purely constructive way, the M16 series will run faster ACCORDING TO THE WORDS OF THE MOST PRODUCER (by the way, it is prescribed to use some kind of FM in combat conditions to use AKs and I need to find a number in the advertising campaigns of M16. Here's the zinc: http: //www.gunmaker-t. read narod.ru/vintovka-m16-.html and pay attention to where Mki has a gas engine.
              1. kirill_stavropol
                kirill_stavropol 22 August 2011 08: 50 New
                -1
                It’s all the same for you, for you, everyone is equal on the Internet.
                I did not participate in the database, but shot in field operations.
                Regarding the link, the most common propaganda, by the way with a huge number of inaccuracies and serious errors. And I’ll generally keep silent about the instructor’s letter.
                And about this FM, did you see the original text ??? I have this FM and in almost every comment about AK and M-16 I meet. But in reality this document was written for special forces that almost never work with American weapons, not because it is bad, but because they work on enemy territory, well, count as spies (scouts), they are taught to shoot from any weapon, in any country.
                1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
                  Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 22 August 2011 23: 22 New
                  0
                  "What the difference is on you, on you, on the Internet everyone is equal." in principle, I agree, but the transition to You without permission speaks of uncivilization.
                  And I saw about FM at work by service. And you / you most likely will not see him because he has a neck, if you have guys with the GRU, ask them.
                  In general, it’s strictly all the same to me to convince pot-bellied greens than to wave, you yourself will figure it out (if you survive) if you don’t listen to grandfathers.

                  Yes, and yet learn to justify your opinion, and not just flood .. (childhood rushing ...)
        2. pavel031976
          pavel031976 27 August 2011 22: 54 New
          +1
          kirill_stavropol, wrote that "... 5,45 caliber bullets do not deviate anywhere when shooting through dense vegetation ...". For your information - 5.45 mm bullet due to the combination of its parameters such as "flight speed - mass of the bullet" while moving along its path is on the verge of ballistic stability. Any (!!!) obstacle “erases” this face - the trajectory changes unpredictably !!! You can imagine what damage to tissues and organs it will cause when it enters the body, and besides it will remain there. Under the same conditions, a 7,62 mm bullet will simply go through the body right through, undoubtedly causing a threat to life and health, but compared with the consequences of a 5,45 mm bullet being less significant. And NTVeshniki can only confirm the characteristics of their cameras and lenses.
          1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
            Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 28 August 2011 20: 58 New
            +2
            H. pavel031976Do not engage in educational program for those who do not want it! Material on the internal and external ballistics of bullets near the 5.5 mm sea of ​​a dime! The guy is just a lazy dog ​​and very pontoon !! I completely agree with your calculation. (7.62 can be “cured” by maleho and such wounds will be left, sho mama do not cry !!!)
    4. Krilion
      Krilion 22 February 2012 11: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Serge
      Kalash - a machine for a soldier of the draft army. A machine for soldiers, most of whom do not give a damn about the weapons that have been secured behind them for a year. All these AEKs, Abakans, etc., etc. - weapons of professionals, that is, people who value and love their weapons.


      just don’t have to fall into heresy .. since in Russia there has been a steady trend towards the creation of a professional army, the fighters must also have professional weapons .. stop thinking in the categories of the century before last ... listen to you, it’s better to recruit conscripts with mosin rifles because, from your words (although why did you get this?), do not give a damn ... so save your thoughts for the Ukrainian army ...
  6. Svyatoslav
    Svyatoslav 23 July 2011 00: 38 New
    0
    As if our government, due to the high cost and "poor" characteristics of the two-hundredth series AK, did not start the purchase of "cheap" and "reliable" M-16s.
    1. pavel031976
      pavel031976 23 July 2011 21: 02 New
      0
      The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are close to abandoning the SVD and switching to the Steyr Mannlicher SSG 04. The troops are already there.
      1. Owl
        Owl 24 July 2011 02: 34 New
        0
        how's it going to be with ammunition on the Steyr Mannlicher SSG 04? Will we buy or interrupt shitty cartridges TPZ?
        1. pavel031976
          pavel031976 25 July 2011 06: 34 New
          0
          While the fire training of snipers is carried out using "enemy production bypasses." Interestingly, what is the reason for the loss of fire safety?
          1. Owl
            Owl 26 July 2011 22: 01 New
            0
            in some pistol cartridges, along with gunpowder, there was gunpowder dust, when fired a flame from the barrel as from a blowtorch, along with noticeable unburned particles of a powder charge, the PPO product is a shell of a bullet from a PMM munition completely filled with lead (the weight of the bullet is higher than a 9x18 PM bullet) but due to the powder charge, the initial speed remained the same
        2. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
          Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 9 August 2011 16: 36 New
          0
          OwlEnlighten, we have (well, you- there is no difference for me) that massively stamp snipers ??? even in our country in Khokhland-Khazaria there are no problems ... ento you are not a gun ... And what has been said ??? Economically better to buy for small use.
          1. Owl
            Owl 12 August 2011 08: 28 New
            0
            it is necessary to restore and improve our own production
            1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
              Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 28 August 2011 21: 17 New
              +1
              + 100 to respect !! Stop feeding the aliens.
        3. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
          Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 28 August 2011 21: 16 New
          0
          For special needs to be purchased. Although woodpeckers in wide stripes can be ours (and even clean them with bricks ...)
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 26 July 2011 21: 52 New
        +1
        The Russian Armed Forces are close to abandoning the SVD and switching to the Steyr Mannlicher SSG 04. The troops already have

        why not on Barret, Erma, DSR, H&K?
        1. pavel031976
          pavel031976 27 July 2011 12: 04 New
          +1
          Because "The giraffe is big - he knows better." smile
  7. Klibanophoros
    Klibanophoros 23 July 2011 01: 06 New
    +4
    “The machine was made simple and probably a little rude, as they say, assembled on the knee. * Production of such products is acceptable for a small company that creates its models in small rooms and does not have competent personnel. However, this is simply unacceptable for a development plant. .. "
    Which is not surprising for an enterprise operating on machines manufactured by non-existent countries, or even with swastikas ...
    * - just AK and its "offspring" are the weapons of total war and it cannot afford to be too complicated, these are the costs of a super-mass product.
    1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
      Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 9 August 2011 16: 52 New
      +1
      Guys! Remember that AK was designed FOR 1 / 3 SUSHI !!! For the country that won the 2 World Conveyor of Armies! And that military production (real) is primarily famous for its cheapness, otherwise it is an ECONOMIC bomb !!! Remember the famous PCA! How many turning parts does he have ??? One-barrel! That's the weapon they won. And even according to some reports, towards the end of the war we had a significant preponderance in saturating the army with machine guns than the Nazis !!
      In connection with the change in the GENERAL TACTICS (the battle is not with massive military units but with small equipped groups), the requirements for the rifleman have changed dramatically !!! Have you guys compared crossbows and bows with aircraft carriers compared !!!

      FROM YOURSELF: damn it is unfortunate that Rezun and others like him like that ... read the banal logic: you need to compare in the same categories.
      I ask no offense: he was seduced by the Resunoids until he read ANTisuvaorov; he himself was not deft in learning tactics at a military university and knew a lot himself .... so listen to your fathers.
      1. Klibanophoros
        Klibanophoros 11 August 2011 13: 57 New
        +2
        "According to some sources"? The saturation with automatic weapons in the Soviet units was overwhelming already by the 44th year ... And among the Germans, the Mauser was the main infantry weapon until the end of the war ...
        1. bistrov.
          bistrov. 26 February 2012 23: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: Klibanophoros
          And even according to some reports, towards the end of the war we had a significant preponderance in saturating the army with machine guns than the Nazis !!

          All German arms factories for all the years of the war fired about a million submachine guns. Soviet industry during the same time produced more than six million submachine guns (machine guns).
  8. Kerchanin
    Kerchanin 23 July 2011 08: 27 New
    +1
    The most interesting thing in the photographs presented is not the AK-74.
    Judging by the inscription on the store ("7,62 x 39"), this is the reincarnation of the AK-47, hence the increase in weight and improved combat performance.
    1. Owl
      Owl 23 July 2011 17: 37 New
      +3
      For "work" in the woods and in rooms 7,62x39 exceeds 5,45 mm cartridge
      1. Superduck
        Superduck 25 July 2011 10: 54 New
        -1
        I won’t give a lot for your eardrums when you give the 7,62x39 turn in the room.
        1. pavel031976
          pavel031976 27 July 2011 12: 11 New
          +1
          Eagle Owl RIGHTS. And shooting from a 5,45 mm AK-74 indoors will cause membranes no less harm. You need to open your mouth to save them.
          1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
            Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 9 August 2011 17: 29 New
            +1
            guys, and someone shot at you ?? Do you have any database experience? my fingers were shot to me so I was so scared, I forgot to think except that the Schaub would get in the hole from the heifer with a scythe !! And you're talking about eardrums !!! maybe Schaub still not scratch the manicure ???
            1. Owl
              Owl 12 August 2011 08: 30 New
              +3
              I have experience, I shot and shot at me
          2. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
            Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 9 August 2011 17: 30 New
            -3
            guys, and someone shot at you ?? Do you have any database experience? my fingers were shot to me so I was so scared, I forgot to think except that the Schaub would get in the hole from the heifer with a scythe !! And you're talking about eardrums !!! maybe Schaub still not scratch the manicure ??? It’s ridiculous.
    2. pavel031976
      pavel031976 25 July 2011 06: 36 New
      0
      AKM (AKMS). AK-47 is already in the museum ...
      1. does it
        does it 12 October 2011 00: 05 New
        0
        AK-47 is still used in Africa, as intended. smile
  9. pavel031976
    pavel031976 23 July 2011 20: 44 New
    0
    "left loading handle and reverse fuse." - what are we talking about?
    1. Owl
      Owl 23 July 2011 20: 56 New
      0
      behind the trigger guard is a fuse blocking the trigger mechanism, the reload handle as it was and remained on the right side
      1. pavel031976
        pavel031976 23 July 2011 21: 15 New
        0
        Or does it mean the mirror arrangement of the fire translator and the bolt of the bolt on the both sides of the receiver? Well this for such a beast turns out? wink But the fuse that blocks the trigger (pictured) is a useful element. IMHO.
        1. Owl
          Owl 23 July 2011 22: 19 New
          +3
          the design of the receiver shows that the translator-fuse can not be thrown to the left side and no one has changed the reload handle, as for the fuse-lock, the benefit from it is minimal. there is more harm, in a stressful situation you forget about it, lose time and die, I forbade my submachine gunners to drive the cartridge into the chamber during the day and during the night “walks”, but the translator-safety switch always put the flag on “single fire” (faster to retract the shutter frame with shutter and send the cartridge into the chamber than in the mud, after running across from the fire to find a fuse), the cartridge in the chamber and the fuse turned on had only snipers with low-noise weapons
          1. pavel031976
            pavel031976 25 July 2011 06: 27 New
            0
            To some extent, I agree with you. But! Still, using the “lock” trigger 1s (and even as much as 2 !!!) play in your favor. I can justify it.
  10. PSih2097
    PSih2097 26 July 2011 21: 57 New
    0
    In principle, everything is clear, like he and his fellow ..., the defense industry as a whole is there, for that the organizers of the Olympics and the World Cup in football, I’m ... in Sochi there is already a lot of money that you can build 2 (two) AUGs , and still remain in the army, that’s the whole canoe about our goats - politicians ...
    1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
      Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 20 August 2011 15: 54 New
      0
      I agree, brother, only a clarification: not politicians, but agents of influence ....
    2. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
      Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 21 August 2011 23: 29 New
      +2
      Yes BL ** b sadly something with the army: I DON'T WANT to give my son back to the army in which the military is judged by peaceful rules in military conditions (like Budanova PIDO * s drained !!) SU * And people, you numbed clogged up. At least someone took an interest in the story of Budanov ?? So far, the ARMY will be the executive element of the Zion Protocols, the Marshal's Plans. I do not want her.
  11. Patriot 05
    Patriot 05 6 August 2011 13: 32 New
    +1
    I want to try later and you can comment.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 20 August 2011 00: 43 New
      +4
      go to the army.
      1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
        Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 20 August 2011 15: 55 New
        0
        + 100 to respect the coolest answer to all questions in this thread !!!
  12. KASKAD
    KASKAD 20 August 2011 01: 50 New
    0
    In the first photo, the “new” Kalash has a four-row magazine with 60 rounds
    1. Joker
      Joker 26 August 2011 22: 51 New
      0
      It's bad that not from "translucent" plastic but from black ..
      1. pavel031976
        pavel031976 9 September 2011 21: 48 New
        -1
        Yes, it’s still bad that the machine is not pink and the bow is not tied to it ... wink
        1. Joker
          Joker 10 September 2011 14: 33 New
          0
          Don’t be dumb, instead of considering your cartridges to be something more useful during fire contact, especially if there are 60 of them
          1. pavel031976
            pavel031976 11 September 2011 16: 47 New
            0
            ... sexually ...
            1. pavel031976
              pavel031976 11 September 2011 17: 36 New
              +1
              Respected Joker! "Google", as you advise everyone, clone information on various resources, then upload it here, as you do - everyone knows how. Honor to you and praise for the brilliant development of search engines !!! No more. But pettiness, a categorical denial of one’s defeat, and a manic desire to be all “recognized” are signs of clouding of consciousness and mental disorder. Sorry. Thank you for your time. Imagine what kind of response to this message I get ...
              PS By the way, your nickname is a compensation for self-doubt. Now complain ... wink
              1. Joker
                Joker 11 September 2011 20: 01 New
                0
                Well then.

                Quote: pavel031976
                "Google", as you advise everyone, clone information on various resources, then upload it here, as you do - everyone knows how.


                - I’m looking for information one thing and be able to compare a little different, I wish you luck in this (in addition to the Internet, I recommend reading magazines on a topic of interest, seriously expanding my horizons).

                Quote: pavel031976
                But pettiness, a categorical denial of one’s defeat and a manic desire to be all “recognized” are signs of clouding of consciousness and mental disorder.


                - if I happen to be wrong in some way, I agree with the “categorical denial” of someone else’s rightness, then this is more likely to apply to you (moreover, it is really in manic form, see below).

                As for manic nature, it’s even funny to hear from a character who combed with persistent fanaticism from the comments in order to flush them out, it is in this case that a somewhat inadequate perception of reality is observed. A man with a formed outlook on life would reasonably prove his point of view.

                The dialogue above and your answer
                Quote: pavel031976
                ..floor contact ...

                is a logical proof written by me.
                1. Joker
                  Joker 11 September 2011 20: 46 New
                  0
                  PS about Nick, everyone sees first of all what he wants to see.

                  I recommend reading on object 279, the nickname primarily refers to this machine.
                  1. Foamas
                    Foamas 11 September 2011 21: 36 New
                    0
                    Semi-transparent plastic will still crap after a month in the conditions of the database, and four-row styling will not make it possible to accurately determine the number of cartridges remaining.
                    1. Joker
                      Joker 11 September 2011 22: 21 New
                      0
                      And the exact and not necessary, see the approximate amount (to be able to see) is very useful. As for what gets jammed - well, you can wipe it like a new one will not, of course, but I think it will be possible to determine the number of cartridges.
                    2. PSih2097
                      PSih2097 12 September 2011 11: 59 New
                      0
                      and four-row stacking will not allow the exact determination of the number of remaining cartridges.

                      and who prevents every tenth from charging the tracer.
                      1. pavel031976
                        pavel031976 12 September 2011 13: 20 New
                        0
                        The tracer performs another task. And if the store is properly equipped, then it contains: PS - 22 pcs., T - 6 pcs., PP - 2 pcs. That is, the tracer - every fifth.
                      2. PSih2097
                        PSih2097 12 September 2011 13: 34 New
                        0
                        I'm about 60 charging store
                      3. pavel031976
                        pavel031976 12 September 2011 13: 45 New
                        0
                        Nothing will change, only in such a store will there be PS - 44 units, T - 12 units, PP - 4 units. Again “T” -shaft - every 5th (we are talking about 5,45 mm ammunition)
      2. pavel031976
        pavel031976 12 September 2011 00: 02 New
        0
        To equip a 4-row magazine with 60 rounds, it takes 2 times more time. What does this mean - no one needs to explain.
        1. Joker
          Joker 12 September 2011 08: 08 New
          +1
          And you are stubborn .. wink

          If the situation is critical, you can also unload, for example, 30 rounds of ammunition.
          1. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
            Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 12 September 2011 11: 58 New
            0
            All of course it is. But, do you know why in PM precisely 8 cartridges ??? Because (including for other reasons) the barrel “holds” 8 shots one after the other, otherwise after 8 it gives a decent spread. Will the barrel withstand the AK (from the PKK will withstand) a queue of 60 cartridges? Or after 30 - the bullets will fall out of the trunk ... (THIS IS MY OPINION - I DO NOT APPLY FOR TRUTH).
            According to the experience of "adult games" (paintball, airsoft) very often "died" when meeting NOSKNOSU with an opponent and an empty horn. So I support.
            1. pavel031976
              pavel031976 12 September 2011 13: 40 New
              +1
              Probably because it will no longer fit. Well, unless, if you charge another one directly into the chamber. Here
          2. pavel031976
            pavel031976 12 September 2011 13: 00 New
            0
            Well. We returned to our rams - to stores for 30 rounds. wink The use of two interconnected stores of 30 rounds of tape - this is the signal for the need to introduce stores of 60 rounds. Although this may entail a number of nuances - from the separation of ammunition to changes in technology in the light industry (pouches, unloading, etc., etc.).
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 12 September 2011 13: 30 New
              0
              The use of two interconnected tape stores 30 rounds

              For a long time, connecting clips are sold, or take from the PKK, you can buy shtatovskie crafts:

              1. pavel031976
                pavel031976 12 September 2011 13: 37 New
                +1
                Imagine the face of the inspector when I go out to the front view of a regiment with one of these “useful” devices .... smile
                1. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 12 September 2011 13: 39 New
                  0
                  [img] http://desantura.ru/bitrix/components/bitrix/forum.interface/show_file.php?
                  fid = 106369 [/ img]

                  1. pavel031976
                    pavel031976 12 September 2011 13: 52 New
                    0
                    pardon me! Something is not visible ...
      3. Krylovets2000 (HVVKU)
        Krylovets2000 (HVVKU) 12 September 2011 11: 46 New
        0
        tied with the Joker - a very unpleasant thing for people to see: reload automatic when they shoot you.
  • Man from the south
    Man from the south 7 September 2011 23: 55 New
    0
    The Picatinny rail is good. It’s only a shame that sights and other devices will be bought abroad, instead of being produced by ourselves.
  • pavel031976
    pavel031976 11 September 2011 21: 03 New
    0
    For some reason, not a word about bk ... Does anyone know? Or is everything the same as the AK-74?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 12 September 2011 09: 02 New
      0
      A BC only two types, 7.62 X 54 mm and 5.45 X 39 mm plus export 5.56 X 45 mm Nato and 7,6251 mm Nato, although the latter will most likely not be.
      1. pavel031976
        pavel031976 12 September 2011 12: 46 New
        0
        I mean the number and types of ammunition in 1 ammunition (based on the fact that the BK is a settlement and supply unit). For example, for AK it is 450 rounds, PM - 16 pcs, etc., etc.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 12 September 2011 13: 06 New
          0
          Most likely as on ak 74.
          1. pavel031976
            pavel031976 12 September 2011 13: 33 New
            0
            PSih2097 писал
            7.62 X 54 mm
            Really? smile
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 12 September 2011 13: 45 New
              0
              oops, wrong, 7,62x39.
  • dred
    dred 11 November 2011 17: 31 New
    0
    I heard about the new madification of ak-12
  • Sleptsoff
    Sleptsoff 15 January 2012 20: 43 New
    0
    God, what a wretched build quality we have, when at last our “craftsmen” will understand that weapons should inspire respect, and the “done on the knee” style no longer rolls in the 21st century. I am sure that if the products of Izhmash had a more presentable appearance, it would be more popular, including in the west. Collective farmers from Izhmash should take a look, for example, at H&K 416 to understand what to strive for.
  • serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 3 March 2012 21: 04 New
    0
    Please tell me, who, while maintaining the database, changed the AK to M-16 or a similar construction of Western production? In my opinion, there is no need for the latest automatic machine for the army. The latest developments are needed for specialists !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • survivor
    survivor 25 August 2012 15: 16 New
    +2
    I don’t understand how bad Kalashnikov is? is singleness bad? so do not confuse the machine gun and the sniper rifle. completely different tasks. not convenient in battle? explain what. I think Profi will find a way to remake the handle and butt for himself. Big impact? hmm, yes, it is, but again, not deadly. than remaking an automatic machine, is it better to start tuning production (the same pens, butts), and increase the service life of the year by two. it’s not possible to learn to master any weapon professionally in a year, especially if you are given it three times in five minutes for the entire service life. if a soldier spent as much time in a shooting gallery as a professional spends, and not a parade ground chalk, then in one and a half to two years, he will fully learn the weapon and learn to "perfectly" own it! for a year the army is not soldiers, random people who are trying to somehow "unwind" the term and they did not rattle this weapon! Remember how you taught weapons skills before the war? the whole movement was the Voroshilovsky shooter. if you don’t know how to shoot a rifle, not a single girl will dance with you, you’re not a man, a snotty boy. so accustomed to the knowledge of weapons, to the ability to care for him, shoot. Naturally, the guy got into the army already knowing what he would defend his homeland and ready to fulfill this holy duty, but what now? but how many do not hang on AK, he will remain AK! and the draftee will not sensibly shoot him. why does he need this? a year to serve ... instead of changing the whole, albeit obsolete, but reliable machine, give it to the masses! revive DOSAAF! interest young people not in words but in deeds! when a boy from the age of 14 can pick up a machine gun, but for encouragement he will be for a good study, come to the shooting range, to a shooting range and shoot, then the attitude to weapons will be different !!! and naturally the soldier will be more prepared, not cannon fodder. By the way, the three-ruler is also not a very convenient rifle, but they did not complain and beat the fritz !!! and not only from it ...
    1. akmoa781
      akmoa781 7 January 2018 17: 20 New
      +1
      A colleague absolutely agrees with you!
  • akmoa781
    akmoa781 7 January 2018 17: 17 New
    +1
    AK 103, 104, and so on. this weapon is already completely self-sufficient, it makes no sense to hang it with additional devices, well, except that a store for 60 rounds of 7.62x39, or 5.45x39, the purpose of the body kit with additional devices is not entirely clear to me. If you need small arms with special capabilities, then special forces fighters have such weapons, and AKs of the hundredth or two hundredth are general arms and in themselves quite good weapons. If you want to make something even better out of AK, you need to answer a simple question why and why it is needed, or maybe you should think about weapons with a fundamentally new weapon built on a completely new principle of operation, then a completely new concept of its application is needed.