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Golden secrets of military collectors

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A visitor - a man of 30-years went to a private military museum in the city of Taganrog, abruptly tore off the AKM Kalashnikov assault rifle from the stand, threatened the release of 1967, killed the administrator! - and ran out into the street. The director of the museum chased after him - the criminal struck him several times with his butt in the face. This is one of the most peaceful stories. Often, weaponcollected by private collectors used in modern wars.

Criminal история in Taganrog ended well: the offender was disarmed and handed over to law enforcement. What were the reasons for his action - difficult to explain. Most likely, the man could not stand the nerves because he had just arrived in the Rostov region from the city of Lysychansk, where the fighting was going on. “I was going to fight,” he told investigators leading the case.

The military collection, most of the exhibits of which consist of active weapons, was shown by private collectors Vyacheslav Popov in the local history museum at the exhibition of weapons of the First and Second World Wars before the outbreak of fighting in the Ukrainian city of Donetsk. From 2003, he collected an impressive arsenal: around 300 pistols, machine guns and machine guns, as well as two hundred items of army ammunition - helmets, drums, flasks and buckles on belts. The German machine gun MG.34 cost the collector 10 thousands of euros.

Military collecting is a difficult and dangerous business. But some collectors have an overwhelming desire to show their values ​​to a wide range of admirers because the path of the collector is thorny, complicated, and so you want to show your treasures to other people at the end of this path so that they, together with the collector, once again admire the attractive secret military weapons. In addition to silver and gold, doing military collecting brings with it an inexplicable satisfaction: it is a touch to the present. After all, surrogate remakes cannot convey the distant echo of war eras.

Typically, collections begin spontaneously - childhood memories of military motorcycles, cars haunt. Then, having come to their senses, collectors try to form thematic collections based on the technical features of the weapon (caliber, loading system, magazine system, bolt system, barrel length, sight, engraving, carving on the buttstock, trigger mechanism). The main topic may be the purpose of the use of weapons (hunting, civil, military, sports, ceremonial, donation, masterpieces, weapons of crime) or there is a link to the manufacturing company (Beretta, Walther, Sauer & Sohn, Erma, Mauser, Ferlacher Hersteller, Colt , Remington, Winchester). Also, collections are collected with reference to the region of use of the weapon or to the region where it was produced.

In Russia, the so-called epochal collections that reflect World War II have become widespread.
The private collector Leonid Shadimov from the city of Troitsk has more than 2000 with more than the exhibits of the Soviet army, the troops of Germany, Finland, Czechoslovakia and other countries. The price of some rare things comes to 300 thousand rubles.

To get a working model to the collection is a great success. In the distant villages in the Tver, Vladimir, Arkhangelsk regions there are still motorcycle tires (“mad stools”), used both during the Second World War and in the post-war period. Such a copy for 30 thousand rubles managed to buy Mikhail Simachev, system architect of the company "EDF".

The richest private collection of military uniforms and equipment was assembled for five years in Belarus by Alexei Tikunov when he was first deputy head of the Pinsk border detachment. Becoming the head of the Polotsk border detachment, the collector continued his painstaking work. In one of his interviews, he told about his collection: “I can’t name the exact number of exhibits. The oldest exhibit is the cuirassier of a soldier of the royal army 1898 of the year. But the basis of the collection is the uniform and equipment of soldiers from different armies of the first half of the 20th century. For example, the uniform of the Soviet The border guard of the 1931 model of the year with pouches, belts. As you can see, the quality of the uniform is better than for the army, even the button color was different. Since the border guards always wore boots, the pants for them were sewn in breeches. There are elements of Red Army gear The 1936 model of the year was a helmet, a greatcoat. By the way, these overcoats were American. They were received from the USA, cut off shoulder straps and buttons, and sewed on Soviet ones. There are samples of Budyonnovka in which soldiers fought in the Civil and Finnish Wars. In the meeting there was a place for the first gas masks, including the German one from the dog's skin, which was used in the First World War. There are in the collection and the original maps of the Great Patriotic War, with an indication of the warring armies, their movement, an indication of losses. There is a map of the year 1945, on which Bialystok is still part of the Soviet Union. "

This collection is truly priceless.

However, individually, things can bring good dividends. Early leather headset tank subdivisions of RKK in full completeness with headphones from Membra now costs 30 rubles. Winter leather leggings (the top of the gloves is a fur animal, the lining of the cuffs is squirrel), intended for pilots of high-altitude, arctic and sea aviation RKKA - 8 000 rubles. The uniform field equipment of the commanding staff of the RKKA model of 1932 is shoulder straps, a whistle cover, a belt, a holster for a TT pistol. There are duplicate hallmarks on a belt, holster and straps: K / Z MARXIST (leather factory Marxist). All this costs 24 rubles.

Often museums are born from private collections. In the Rostov region there are two private military history museums: May 6. 2010 opened the Taganrog Military History Museum (250 sq.m.). It is a classic example of a museum: an exposition room. A significant part of the exhibition consists of cars, armored and motor vehicles of the pre-war and military period. The gem of the exhibition is the famous lorry GAZ-AA 1935 of the year, which is now being restored. A curious detail: there were “half-shields” working from wood: the gas generator modification GAZ-42 worked where there was no gasoline at all, but its use was extremely dangerous for fire. So Taganrog restorers will make the usual model of a car that runs on conventional fuel.

Also in the collection are the BA-64 (1943) armored car, the GAZ-67 army jeep (bought from the writer driver Mikhail Sholokhov), the best pre-war army motorcycle TIZ-AM-600 (1 rings 4Т, 600 cm3, XXUMXТ, 16,5 cm1936, xXXX, 1941, 65, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX, XNUMX (XNUMX) ), produced from XNUMX to XNUMX year at Taganrog tool factory №XNUMX them. Stalin. A special place in the exhibition is given to military relics of World War II. Here are a large number of samples of weapons, ammunition, items of front-line life, presents trophy equipment, weapons and other items of defeated fascist Germany.

Ivan Strelyaev, the director of the “Donskoy Military History Museum,” located in the Nedvigovka farm, went the other way. The exposition includes an open area where mass-dimensional models of tanks of the Second World War and automotive vehicles are displayed. In the covered hangars are models of guns and MMG small arms. Total - about 50 units of equipment, 30, of which - on the go. Interactive sites are being built on two hectares, where real-time weapons will be displayed, starting with Ancient Rome and ending with the war in Afghanistan.

In the meantime, the mobile collection of military automotive equipment takes part in various military-patriotic events. Already 7 of September of this year, the museum on wheels will go to the Crimean military-historical festival, which from 8 to 14 of September will be held in Sevastopol at Fedyukhiny heights.

The total investment in the "Don Military History Museum" is more than 100 million rubles.

However, the demonstration of the collections is the visible part of the iceberg. Find a military relic today - get involved in another detective story. According to the chief editor of the German military aircraft magazine Peter Plechacher, “spare parts can be found almost exclusively in Russia. And there one has to deal with conditions similar to mafia ones ”, which begin with a search and end with movement through customs.
Finding rare books is always a risk. The competition between search groups is high. According to Russian laws, in contrast to foreign countries, the excavation of ancient weapons of the period of world war is not prohibited. Therefore, numerous search teams are sent to the places of battles, occupations, and to the territory of activity of the partisan forces, which, in the event of luck, can make a good profit. For example, Daimler-Benz aircraft engine Me-109, DB 601 can bring about 50000 euros.

The big competition to the Russian searchers is rendered by the foreign collectors conducting excavations and sales of rare books in Russia and abroad. It is impossible to regulate the activities of search engines in any way - everything happens spontaneously, at the level of personal connections and special agreements. Often found a rarity passes from hand to hand several times.

Near Leningrad in the forest, a German of Polish origin, Machek Keszycki, found a rare specimen - the Focke-Wulf 190 fighter, costing roughly 650 000 - 700 000 marks. But it was not possible to take the plane abroad - the collector could not arrange all the documents necessary for customs for the export of the car: it was necessary to undergo historical and art examination in Rosokhrankultura. But more recently, Machek Keshycki found out that the plane was still taken abroad, now it is being reconstructed in England, and Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft, who plans to open a private aviation museum in Seattle, is the customer - acquisitions of cars of any year of construction began in Seattle any condition, as well as spare parts for them. But will Russian collectors be able to participate in this grand project?

Moving objects through customs is quite difficult. Collectors make unforgivable mistakes for them. In accordance with Art. 188, part 2 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Contraband": "Moving across the customs border of the Russian Federation .... strategically important raw materials or cultural values ​​in respect of which special rules are established for moving across the customs border of the Russian Federation, if this act is committed in addition to or with concealment from customs control .... shall be punished with imprisonment from 3 to 7 years with a fine of up to one million rubles, or in the amount of wages or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to five years, or without it. "

It is also unsafe to joke with the swastika in Germany: the criminal code §86 StGB states that the distribution and circulation, accumulation, and the import and export of items with a swastika is prohibited.

Some people suffered the fate of the institution of the administrative case under the article "Smuggling of cultural property." Petersburg customs officers detained the parcel where the Hitler Youth knives (HJ-Fahrtenmesser-ny.) Were located. Zolinger Othello (Solingen Othello - him), costing from 5 000 to 7000 rubles. By the way, in the city of Solingen there is a German museum of blades (Deutsches Klingenmuseum).

They tried to send five books in the German language of the 50s, labor books of German specialists, photographs from the family archive, award ribbons, badges to the Komi Republic from Germany with an ordinary parcel (according to the declaration it should contain gift books for 1930 euros - aut.) as well as Nazi crosses. It is curious that in 1944, to obtain the German cross, a point system was developed: military personnel of the naval fleet received less points when clearing bombs of widespread modifications. Soldiers received high scores for defusing unknown bombs. Most of all among collectors, the German cross in silver is valued, with an approximate cost of up to 300 rubles, since they awarded only 000 people.

But sometimes Themis fails due to imperfect legislation. Several years ago, the Babushkinsky District Court of Moscow considered the case of 70-year-old participant of the Great Patriotic War, Marat Paray, accused of illegal storage (Art. 218 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) of maritime Colt Navy (1851), revolver GalandM (1868), revolver " Smith and Wesson II sample "(1872 g.), Muzzle-charging and double-barreled pistol pistols, as well as the revolver of Yevgeny Lefoshe, the release of approximately 1850-1860 g. But the court examination recognized that the seized pistols are not suitable for shooting without additional devices, but mean are not op In the acquittal judgment, the court indicated that no one had fired from an antique weapon or even tried to bring it to a state fit for firing.

This case is one of many.

In addition to legal problems, private collectors face many difficulties of a different kind.

To give the presentation it is necessary to carry out the most difficult restoration work. Their cost is difficult to estimate: everything will depend on the degree of damage to objects, used materials, the need to search for scientific and technical documentation. More than 400 sheets of drawings (these are whole rolls of the 1,5х2 format of a meter) were required to be obtained from the branch of the Russian State Archive of Scientific and Technical Documentation (Samara) to restore the lorry in the Taganrog Museum. The restorers were lucky that they got the car in good condition: it was found in one of the small villages near Yaroslavl. The estimated cost of such technical documentation today is about 100 thousand rubles.

Collector Anatoly Astvatsaturov from the city of Bataysk (Rostov region) restored the legendary “lorry” GAZ M-1, riddled with bullets, found in a swamp not far from the village of Kamyshino. The engine of the car was also found intact on one of the private farmsteads - even oil was preserved in it. For him, the restorers of the Kremlin garage offered 200 thousand rubles, but the collector refused. He wanted to make a car. Together with the locksmiths of one of the Batay factories, he completely restored it. The most difficult was the work on the body. There were no drawings - the restorers made special patterns on the remaining details and cut out new elements. Then all parts were sewn by welding.

Working with metal requires great care. At 80 percent, all regenerative materials are toxic: many of them have a very long way of intoxication of the body - you can feel great, and then die after five days or a week. Work restorers gloves, goggles and a mask.

The main opponent of restorers is corrosion.

Corrosion can be prevented by both modern materials and the advice of ancient restorers, for example, beeswax. The wax should be without artificial impurities, natural, without stearin. And then the hardest part begins. One of the restorers said that in order to preserve the blade, a special composition needs to be prepared: add 10% turpentine to 69,5% wax: carbon tetrachloride is better, but it is very harmful. We must work in a gas mask and with good ventilation. Also 0,5% benzotriazole and 20% ethyl alcohol are added to the composition. The blade is coated with this compound at a temperature of + 85-90 °. You can heat up a regular hairdryer. Rag - better with gauze - remove excess wax. Then the object should cool down - at this time turpentine evaporates and a muddy film of wax appears on the blade. Then again with the help of a hair dryer, the blade warms up and needs to be polished again. If, after all these operations, the hand sticks to the surface, the heating and spreading should be repeated.

During the restoration must observe elementary standards. In 1964, the International Charter for the Conservation and Restoration of Monuments "Venetian Charter of Restorers" 33 a year after the pre-war Athens Charter (1931) indicated the path of civilized restoration; “Mankind every day more and more aware of the universal value of monuments, sees them as a common heritage and, in the face of future generations, recognizes joint responsibility for its preservation. It considers it its duty to transfer monuments in all the richness of their authenticity. Hence it is obvious that the principles it is necessary to be guided in the conservation and restoration of monuments, should be determined jointly and formulated internationally, taking into account the fact that each country itself em follow their use within their own culture and traditions. "

The 12 article states that "elements intended to replace the missing fragments must fit harmoniously into the whole and at the same time be so different from the genuine ones that the restoration does not falsify the historical and artistic documentary of the monument." The 13 article states: “additions can only be allowed if they leave intact all the remarkable parts of the building (in this case the item), its traditional surroundings, the balance of the composition, and the relationship with the environment.”

The path of the military collector is long and thorny. In foreign countries, private military collectors unite. The Minnesota Weapons Collectors Association of The Minnesota Weapons Collectors Association, created in 1954, is aimed not only to provide collectors with the opportunity to buy, sell and trade, but also to be a platform for social interaction and communication of all those who are interested in collecting weapons.

In Russia there are a few associations of military collectors at the regional level because collectors are very careful about their exhibits - “our business is quiet, it does not like noise”. In Soviet times, collectors of weapons, especially firearms, were subjected to constant persecution for a long time, as a result of which some of them "went underground", safely hid their collections, while others were arrested and their collections seized. Collectors' forums are by far the most common form of communication where private matters are discussed. At the federal level, there are no public organizations.

State archives are combined easier. It is planned to create a single archive of the Great Patriotic War, where all domestic and captured materials will be collected. The new archive is necessary for the documents to be in conditions that ensure their safety and at the same time use by interested parties. According to the head of the Federal Archival Agency, Andrei Artizov, new buildings are planned to be built by 2015.

Which way to go further - the collectors themselves must decide. If only it was only a peaceful way.








For your information:

Famous military museums of the world:
Museums in Alsace
Historic weapons in the Castle Museum, Linz, Austria
Emden Armory
Military Museum in Delft, The Netherlands
Military Museum, the famous collection of weapons in Luttych (Liege)
The collection of weapons in the castle Heideckburg
The collection of weapons of the Museum of World History. Berman, Anniston, Alabama
Philadelphia Museum of Art, Weapons and Armor
The Bohmann Museum in Celle
Imperial City Museum Rothenburg
Rastatt Military History Museum
German Museum of Blades
Bavarian Military Museum in Ingolstadt
Dresden Armory
Coburg Castle Art Collections
Palace and Armory of the Museum of Art History, Vienna
Land Museum, Joanneum, Graz, Austria, Department of Land Arsenal
Hunting Museum, Landshut Castle in Utzenstorf, Switzerland
War Museum (Musée de l'armée), Paris
Royal Armories (Royal Armories), Leeds, England
The Wallace Collection, London
Victor & Albert Museum, London, England
Turin Royal Armory (Armeria Reale di Turin), Italy
Museum Stibbert, Florence, Italy
Arsenal Museum (Tøjhusmuseets), Copenhagen, Denmark
Metropolitan Museum, New York, USA (searchable in collections by keywords)
Cleveland Museum of Art, Ohio (The Cleveland Museum of Art), USA
Frazier Historical Arms Museum, USA
Tokyo National Museum, Japan
Military History Museum, St. Petersburg.
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat 3 September 2014 09: 31
    +2
    "The oldest exhibit is a cuirassier of a soldier of the tsarist army in 1898." What kind of cuirassier is this? Maybe a cuirass?
    1. I am
      I am 3 September 2014 11: 37
      0
      Cuirassira = cuirass, it's just the armor of heavy armor (i.e. Warriors on a horse). It seems that after the war of 1912 they were no longer widely applied. There are external differences, but too lazy to describe))))))))))))))
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 3 September 2014 09: 55
    +2
    "Even before the start of the fighting in the Ukrainian city of Donetsk, a private collector Vyacheslav Popov showed it in the local history museum at an exhibition of weapons from the First and Second World Wars. Since 2003, he has collected an impressive aresenal: about 300 pistols, machine guns and machine guns."

    For some reason I haven't looked at the Law "On Weapons" for a long time, but what private collectors can own serviceable pistols, machine guns and machine guns? Even so, how to register the "Walter" found somewhere near Rzhev? Here you will register a double-barreled illegal horseradish. request
    1. miv110
      miv110 3 September 2014 17: 47
      +1
      The same somehow hooked! Existing combat weapons in private hands, and even in such numbers!
      1. Massik
        Massik 3 September 2014 20: 32
        0
        You take a drill and drill a barrel, find at least a flintlock pistol - you must drill a hole in it at least 1/3 of the barrel diameter. Otherwise, the mustache will be confiscated and a fine from "tsat" to "honeycomb" will be given.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 3 September 2014 21: 26
          +1
          Quote: Marssik
          You take a drill and drill a barrel, find at least a flintlock pistol - you must drill a hole in it at least 1/3 of the barrel diameter. Otherwise, the mustache will be confiscated and a fine from "tsat" to "honeycomb" will be given.

          I about the same, only in the article:
          Military collection, most of which exhibits consist of active weapons, before the start of the fighting in the Ukrainian city of Donetsk, a private collector Vyacheslav Popov showed in the museum of local lore at an exhibition of weapons of the First and Second World Wars.
          1. efimovaPE
            4 September 2014 10: 26
            +1
            Actually, a collector from Ukrainian Donetsk
    2. La-5
      La-5 3 September 2014 22: 13
      0
      All weapons must be deactivated in accordance with Russian law. There are no workers' trunks under 100 years old in private collections.
  3. Serg 122
    Serg 122 3 September 2014 09: 58
    +3
    Interesting topic! History vsezh. I liked the photo from the motorcycle, with canisters in front and behind! They (those who came up with this!) Would be better off screwing them up immediately ... fool
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 3 September 2014 22: 19
      0
      my uncle has such a motorcycle in the barn, it’s very old, a box with a lid is embedded in the tank.
    2. La-5
      La-5 4 September 2014 00: 11
      0
      About the stowed position never heard of?
    3. Taganrog
      Taganrog 4 September 2014 09: 55
      +1
      Glad I liked the photo of the motorcycle. The kit is correct, amateurish causticism about mines is not entirely appropriate, because came up with this back in 1942 ...
  4. Witch
    Witch 3 September 2014 11: 19
    +4
    The idea of ​​the article is not bad, but at least the author did not fully understand the topic
    "... restored the legendary" lorry "GAZ M-1 riddled with bullets ..." - actually it is not a lorry, but a passenger car, produced in the period 1936-1946, in particular in 41-46 from the existing hurt. In total, a little over 80 thousand copies were released.

    "The restorers of the Kremlin garage offered 200 thousand rubles for him." Oh, these storytellers (s). The "restorers" from the Kremlin garage have nothing to do if they can make an order for OJSC "GAZ", as it was with the Chernomyrdinskaya emka ... have to look.
    Parts for rare modifications are expensive - the same front axle on the GAZ-61 or a set of mechanical brake drives on Emka, because they were massively changed to hydraulics at one time and no one thought about the need for storage or, for example, the native gimbal on the GAZ-67 .

    In addition, it is unfortunate that the author did not give a link to the Chernogolovkin Museum.
    1. Denis
      Denis 3 September 2014 12: 29
      +2
      Quote: Witch
      legendary "lorry" "GAZ M-1" ... "

      And another puncture, the M-1 is undeniably a rare car, but much less often
      GAZ-61-73 (1941 — 1945) - the world's first sedan 4x4, in 1942-1945 produced episodically in small batches. Made about 200 cars.
      They seem to look like Emka, but ...
      And in the collection he is (in the background)
      1. Witch
        Witch 3 September 2014 15: 02
        +3
        Quote: Denis
        And in the collection he is (in the background)

        No, it's not him. In this photo, a 400/401 Muscovite crouched
        A ph photo 61-73
        1. Denis
          Denis 3 September 2014 15: 53
          +1
          Quote: Witch
          Muscovite 400 / 401

          I agree, the shape of the door and its roof
          Bought on vent cutouts. Because everyone on the basis of Emka, GAZ-415 and even GAZ-21 (not Volga, 6x4 pickup) they are like M-1
          1. Witch
            Witch 3 September 2014 16: 29
            +1
            Well, yes, in cars of 61 families, the plumage of the muzzle and louvres of the hood from GAZ 11-73 (6-pot emka). We went into the series from the 40th, it seems ...
        2. Taganrog
          Taganrog 4 September 2014 10: 01
          0
          Zakolhozhenny Muscovites 400/401 go to the collective farms. The gray car in the photo - Opel Olympia 1938.
  5. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 3 September 2014 11: 52
    +1
    A mere mortal in our country receives a term for storing any weapon from the summer, and private collectors are protected by a piece of paper certifying that the weapon is not suitable for military use, remember the movie Brother-2, in the museum of the Maxim machine gun on the table, insert the tape and open fire on Red Square.
    1. Massik
      Massik 3 September 2014 20: 35
      0
      Adequate source))) Cinema is the movie.
  6. Leader
    Leader 3 September 2014 13: 26
    +6
    The author of the article is an amateur in matters of collecting "militaria" items in Russia, the examples given are distorted and unreliable. About private collections of shooting weapons - generally awful!
    Ordinary journalistic ravings! fool
    I forgot to mention the "black diggers" who supply the criminals with the excavated three-rulers and Maxims! laughing
    And there was no need to make such an emphasis on the monetary equivalent of devices - firstly, the price tags given were taken from the ceiling; and secondly, the collectors of the militaria are deeply passionate people for whom the value of the item is immeasurably higher than the hoard's estimates.
    These things are part of the Russian and world cultural heritage, monuments of eras!
    The real problem of collecting militaria in Russia is imperfect, perverted legislation invented by the officials of the Ministry of Internal Affairs on the principle of "whatever happens" and "they will get by!"
    Serious collectors in Russia are completely "in the shadow"; to light up means to lose the collection (the policemen will wring it out!).
    Why didn't they finish writing, how did the criminal case end for Paray himself and his collection? - the collection was plundered by policemen, some of the items were disfigured during the "examination", and the collector himself died of a heart attack ...
    Write about the problems of the largest private Russian museum - the Zadorozhniy Museum!
    Write how, at the behest of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in state museums, ancient fusions are "deactivated" by drilling - and thus the authenticity of the object is destroyed (and rarities are devalued - in monetary terms).
    It is not surprising that most of the rarities float from the country to the West along smuggled paths.
    And rightly so, even though there remains a piece of our history.
    The Ministry of Defense of Russia only in 2011. destroyed 9 tons of paper documents from the Second World War (reports, plans, reports, etc.) - due to a lack of "storage places"! They burned papers, which are an honor for private collectors!
    Archives of Russia - closed institutions; to hell just get there!
    And our state museums ... Let's remember the Hermitage - 20 years of theft! And no one is punished! (like, she was the one who stole ...). And Piotrovsky is still the "main museum worker"!

    Our military collectors are illegal. With all the ensuing consequences.
    And the article is a minus! All wrong!
    1. efimovaPE
      3 September 2014 17: 52
      +1
      Oh, how right you are! It’s only a pity that I just found out about your existence and your opinion
    2. efimovaPE
      3 September 2014 17: 56
      +1
      Let's work together on the following material. It is very difficult to find serious comments - you are all "encrypted". And in general, those things about which you tell are simply blasphemous! We must somehow fight this. Maybe we can work together on the next material.
      1. efimovaPE
        4 September 2014 10: 35
        0
        You are silent? Why? From criticism to constructive solutions, the path is far.
        1. Leader
          Leader 8 September 2014 11: 12
          +1
          Quote: efimovaPE
          You are silent? Why? From criticism to constructive solutions, the path is far.

          I’m silent, because I’m guarding my homeland for several days in a row.
          Go to the forum of collectors - read how our officials and policemen destroy objects of material culture that are monuments of the achievements of science, technology and technology of our country (this is about weapons).
          And how collectors are sent to prison for trying to preserve rare, sometimes even rare instances of the museum level.
          Therefore, it is better to take out the objects over the hill - if you yourself do not need it now. In 50-100 years they will be redeemed for crazy money back. Abroad - will be preserved.
    3. Walking
      Walking 3 September 2014 18: 34
      0
      I agree, the legislation is not perfect, a unique weapon often goes to re-melting instead of going to museums or to collectors, many of whom would give a lot of money for the right to own some copies.
    4. La-5
      La-5 4 September 2014 00: 18
      0
      I fully support.
  7. gunter_laux
    gunter_laux 3 September 2014 13: 38
    0
    Cognitive article, thank you!
  8. Everest2014
    Everest2014 3 September 2014 14: 31
    +5
    Museum machines as well as school machines are no longer fighting;

    I remembered the story about AKM: States, an arms store, the owner is trying to assemble an AK (the girl writes). I took it in my hands and in 15 seconds I gathered it, as taught, cocked it, clicked it up in the idle, put the machine gun on the window. The seller asked, where did you learn that? In the USSR they taught at schools. Seller: thank God that you and I did not fight.
    1. Denis
      Denis 3 September 2014 21: 58
      0
      Quote: everest2014
      Museum machines as well as school machines are no longer fighting

      So with military weapons, the assembly time standards were not allowed to be fulfilled - it spoils
      Only at the training, butt well on the table attach and crumble
  9. Gray 43
    Gray 43 3 September 2014 16: 23
    +1
    Yes, senility is rich with us, even those who want to bring a rare car into Russia are faced with often wild demands - I read in a car magazine how some collector was worried about this
    1. Witch
      Witch 3 September 2014 16: 34
      0
      Quote: Gray 43
      Yes, senility is rich with us, even those who want to bring a rare car into Russia are faced with often wild demands - I read in a car magazine how some collector was worried about this

      The casket opens simply.
      That collector pursued cheapness and imported the car as a CMC (cultural and museum value). The maximum that can be done with this (by law) is to put in the garage and be proud of the fact of ownership. Well, you can ride around the yard.
      Few people want to customize the car in full. Religion, doesn’t it allow ?!
      Here I counted less for a Messer with a 250 cc engine ... It may cost me more to store it in Germany ...
  10. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 3 September 2014 17: 13
    +1
    Well, I can’t help but boast too. I will say for the Nizhny and Nizhny Novgorod region. We certainly do not have such a museum, but there are many interesting things.
    I'll start with the exhibition in the Kremlin: 2 T-34-85, ZiS-3, ZiS-2, BA-64, Su-76, GAZ-67B, GAZ-AA, 85-mm anti-aircraft gun 52-K model 1939 are installed here , A 120-mm mortar, a La-7 fighter (unfortunately only a glider from a fighter) and a cabin of the C-13 submarine, the same one that sank Wilhelm Gustloff under the command of Marinesko.



    A Katyusha was also installed, which used to be the object of ridicule, those who understood, well, they did not put BM-13 on the ZiS-5V, the frame did not allow, but before May 9 it was restored at GAZ, and another axis was added to make it look like ZiS-6 and now the Katyusha is as good as new.
    "Katyusha" before restoration:

    After:
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 3 September 2014 17: 24
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      In Sormovo, next to the T-34-85, the first Soviet (and indeed Russian) serial tank "Comrade Lenin, a freedom fighter" was reinforced

      In the Avtozavodsky park there is a light tank T-70, and at the Central checkpoint GAZ - "one and a half" - GAZ-AA


      In Sormovo on Kostarikha, near the 21st Sokol Plant, the MiG-15 rushed into the sky, and near the Nizhny Novgorod regional military registration and enlistment office MiG-19


      On the Verkhevolzhskaya embankment there is a model of "Nyupora-4", on which our fellow countryman Nesterov made a "loop"
  11. Alf
    Alf 3 September 2014 18: 33
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    This is some kind of craft on the LA-7, the real LA-7 has a completely different rear part of the lamp. I would like to advise such unfortunate restorers and remodelers to look more often at the drawings, fortunately, now there are no problems with the drawings.
  12. Alf
    Alf 3 September 2014 18: 34
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    Here is the LA-7. Very different contours of the rear of the lantern. Yes, and where is the mast of the radio antenna?
    I would like to advise such unfortunate restorers to look more often at the drawings, fortunately, now there are no problems with them, and not exhibit something similar to the LA-7.
  13. Everest2014
    Everest2014 3 September 2014 20: 32
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    Critics, this is a damn monument.
    1. Alf
      Alf 3 September 2014 23: 19
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      Quote: everest2014
      Critics, this is a damn monument.

      This is the first MUSEUM in which people go in order to see military equipment in its present form. And if you talk like that, then you can put T-34-76 on a substitute instead of T-34-85 and declare it is T-34, well, of course, there is a slight difference. So what, what a completely different tower ...
      Have you ever been to St. Petersburg at the artillery museum? If not, I advise you to visit. Here you can be absolutely sure that if the inscription M-30 is on the sample, then this is M-30, and not D-1. It's just that in it people are very responsible for their work.
  14. DarrellKava
    DarrellKava 20 November 2014 19: 09
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    Pour the fruit with boiling water, put it in the freezer for 8-10 hours, and then lower it briefly into hot water (so that the fruit succumbs to cutting), then cut into pieces and scroll through a meat grinder.
    Pour the scrolled mass with 3 liters of cold drinking water.
    After 15 minutes, filter the infusion, first through a colander to remove large pieces, then through a sieve to remove the flesh - (do not discard the waste, they will still be useful to you).
    1 kg. dissolve sugar in 2 liters of warm water.
    Add another 4 (four!) Liters of water and 2 liters of the resulting syrup to the filtered infusion.
    Let it brew for another hour and that’s it! The lemonade is ready.
    Pour into a beautiful jug, and the rest into bottles. Put everything in the refrigerator.
    If you are afraid of such a large displacement, reduce the number of ingredients by half.
    But I am sure that by tasting this drink, you will prepare it again and again.
    The lemonade turned out very tasty, refreshing! I took half the norm, the output was 5 liters.
    Waste can be filled with sugar, and bring to a boil - you get jam.
  15. DarrellKava
    DarrellKava 19 December 2014 04: 46
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