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Russian “liner of the future” plan to fly into the air in 2015 year

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The civil airliner of the future MC-21, created by Irkut Corporation, is planned to be raised into the sky next year, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta With reference to Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.



He also noted that “the government of the Russian Federation will make every effort to develop the aviation engine-building industry at a faster pace,” since the need for domestic mechanisms in the country is very large.

According to experts, now “engines capable of becoming the basis for the new Russian aviation". For example, the main MC-21 will first be produced with foreign engines, but already 4 cars should be equipped with the domestic PD-14 engine, created in Perm. At least these are the forecasts of experts.

“MC-21 is a modular aircraft, on its basis we will get a line of even more interesting machines of a different dimension. These aircraft will allow Russia to have mobile highly skilled troops, which can be instantly transferred to where it is needed. ”- said Dmitry Rogozin.

Earlier, 27 in August, he signed a decree on state guarantees for the project "Middle-medium-haul MS-21".

Help "Rossiyskaya Gazeta":
“The MS-21 (21 20th century mainline aircraft) should replace, as planned by the developers, the outdated Soviet models of the Tu-154, as well as press the foreign A-320 and Boeing-737.” MS-21 in various modifications, along with another new product of the domestic aviation industry - the SukhoiSuperjet-100 airliner - in the future should be up to 80 percent of the total fleet of civil aviation in Russia. "
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  1. St Petrov
    St Petrov 1 September 2014 15: 13
    +66
    I hope everything will be as smooth as with an SSJ, for which there are already 300+ orders and a 6-day tact on a plane

    They wouldn’t touch Russia, about 120 years old, without wars and unrest. We would already colonize planets in space

    Here, over the course of 20 years, a breakthrough has been made, taking into account colonial administration and not subordination to the Central Bank. What would be if we were completely sovereign as in the USSR of the sample of the early 60s and credited our economy at 1%

    Fiction wouldn’t be so fantastic
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 1 September 2014 15: 19
      +13
      , and also to press foreign A-320 and Boeing-737.


      Foreigners must be crowded ... And what a handsome man, all the same.
      1. BIP PS FSB RF
        BIP PS FSB RF 1 September 2014 16: 20
        +3
        Handsome handsome, but:
        For example, the main MS-21 will be produced with foreign engines, but already the 4 machine should be equipped with the domestic PD-14 engine created in Perm. At least, these are the forecasts of experts.

        Despite the fact that we all happily report on how we circumvented other people's sanctions and are engaged in import substitution. And before the fourth car, you still have to produce the first three.
        1. volodyk50
          volodyk50 1 September 2014 17: 09
          +11
          trunk MS-21 first will be produced with foreign engines, but already the 4 machine should be equipped with the domestic PD-14 engine created in Perm. At least, these are the forecasts of experts.

          The first 4 machines for PI and MI, the series will go with PD-14. In May, work began on linking the PD-14 engine to the MS-21-300 aircraft. Certification of the aircraft will end - in 2018, certification of a new engine - a year earlier.
          And on 31 of July 2014 of the year in TsAGI named after N.E. Zhukovsky, the first stage of testing a large-scale model of the MS-21 aircraft was completed.
          Go Russia
    2. Snake831
      Snake831 1 September 2014 15: 19
      +1
      Year ... Where are the moderators looking?
      1. urzul
        urzul 1 September 2014 15: 49
        +3
        If you notice an error in the text, select the text with the error and press Ctrl + Enter
    3. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 1 September 2014 15: 23
      +12
      Superjet is not quite smooth. There is little domestic in it.
      1. urzul
        urzul 1 September 2014 15: 36
        +8
        57% percent is small? Given that 20% of the remaining imported 43 are produced in our territory.
      2. Edvagan
        Edvagan 1 September 2014 15: 40
        +6
        now there are few purely national products. Airbus is collected all over Europe, Boeing also has enough foreign materials and spare parts, as well as foreign developments (the design work is entrusted to foreign companies, including, incidentally, Russian ones). So no big deal
      3. user1212
        user1212 1 September 2014 16: 31
        +4
        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        Superjet is not quite smooth. There is little domestic in it.

        Name at least one airliner fully designed and manufactured on the territory of one state
        1. saag
          saag 1 September 2014 16: 41
          +6
          Quote: user1212
          Name at least one airliner fully designed and manufactured on the territory of one state

          Tu, Ily, Yak, even the ANov line was designed and produced on the territory of one state - the USSR
          1. user1212
            user1212 1 September 2014 17: 26
            +1
            Quote: saag
            Tu, Ily, Yak

            The USSR has been gone for 23 years. Many plants engaged in the production of these aircraft are now foreign. By the way, it is interesting whether the USSR had a full production cycle of these aircraft within the borders of modern Russia (without Ukraine and other republics).
            1. Wad
              Wad 2 September 2014 05: 09
              +1
              In other republics, they built factories only to reduce unemployment and to increase the number of the working class. High-tech enterprises were built only in Russia, Belarus and the southeast of Ukraine. Attempts to build these enterprises in Georgia, Uzbekistan and other countries led to huge losses, so like all products continuous brak. Aircraft MIG, SU, YAK, TU, IL were built to the last nut on the territory of Russia. Aviazavody in Tbilisi and Tashkent is a "screwdriver" production, a legacy of the Second World War.
        2. Cenij150814
          Cenij150814 1 September 2014 16: 57
          0
          Quote: user1212
          Name at least one airliner fully designed and manufactured on the territory of one state

          And name at least one "superpower" that they are trying to stifle with sanctions and which does not have a completely own (competitive) airliner wassat
          1. user1212
            user1212 1 September 2014 17: 31
            +3
            Name at least one existing superpower excluding the United States? Russia is certainly rising, but we are far from being a "superpower". And the rest never pulled this status. By the way, the USA cannot rivet Boeings without foreign components. And part of the design is in Russia. Almost all the former Ilyushin Design Bureau works in the Russian branch of Boeing, who have not retired
      4. mervino2007
        mervino2007 1 September 2014 17: 02
        +2
        Besides the glider - probably nothing ...
    4. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 1 September 2014 16: 31
      +2
      Excellent "Bird". And quite modern. There are more such handsome men in our sky.
    5. Sunjar
      Sunjar 1 September 2014 16: 52
      +7
      Quote: s-t Petrov
      as in the USSR, a sample of the beginning of the 60's


      Faq? Khrushchev, disrespected personally by me and many other comrades (the Tambov Wolf comrade to him), ruined, destroyed and turned in the opposite direction all the undertakings and already accomplished achievements in the opposite direction. And the rise was due to the economic backlog of Stalin, and of the development of virgin lands, which in the future did more damage than initially brought benefits. But Khrushchev was warned, but since they were the people who worked under Stalin, they were removed from their posts (one economist, another agrarian). As a result of this act, the USSR had to buy grain, guess who? The United States and Canada, their geopolitical enemies (and you could buy it from the countries of the so-called third world). Thus, the USSR partially recognized that the economy in the West is stronger than in the USSR. And this is a serious geopolitical and economic blow.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 1 September 2014 17: 00
        +2
        Full sovereignty was in the last years of Stalin’s life. Yes. Khrushchev and with $ nedulyat what Stalin radically refused.

        I mean, the state was the most sovereign - the end of the 50s, the beginning of the 60s. Then it rolled downhill
        1. Sunjar
          Sunjar 1 September 2014 17: 30
          +1
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          was sovereign - the end of the 50's, the beginning of the 60's



          I agree with you. And it sloped downhill because they began to abandon the ideas of socialism (the top naturally). Ordinary citizens do not immediately say so, they can tear to hell. Therefore, I had to do an overstag (look at the essence of this process), and therefore it lasted so long. You can’t do such a maneuver sharply. Naturally, I do not claim that everyone understood what such maneuvers would lead to, but someone did not realize at all. But the result is what it came out.
          1. FID
            FID 1 September 2014 17: 39
            +2
            Quote: Sunjar
            do overstag (see the essence of this process)

            In my opinion, a purely land opinion, instead of an overstaff - an overkill was made ....
            1. Sunjar
              Sunjar 1 September 2014 21: 14
              0
              Quote: SSI
              instead of overstag - overkill made


              The point is not only to turn everything upside down, but the fact that initially conceived of this maneuver, the state first went the same way, then turned a little to the side (Khrushchev thaw), then again to the side (Brezhnev stagnation), and then generally say so perpendicular (rebuilding Gorbachin).
    6. Giant thought
      Giant thought 1 September 2014 17: 01
      +1
      It would be more likely that our aircraft industry would get off its knees, because such excellent prospects: such a large country should be provided with a modern aircraft fleet.
    7. Sunny blade
      Sunny blade 1 September 2014 17: 05
      +5
      After reading the comments, I realized that most of them are not on the topic of what is happening with our aviation industry, many companies forbid employees to fly in a super unsuccessful superjet airplane, according to statistics, the aeroflot is most repaired, tests at a time when it was not flying perhaps the situation is completed and now the situation is the same, the largest number of failures during the flight, there is almost nothing domestic there, the MC-21 is a little more but the same topic ... and the real ones are domestic and somewhere 100% ready, somewhere absolutely less ignored ... you can’t deceive them when everything is ready !!!

      Therefore, I decided to register and make a contribution ...
      I will add "The President of the UAC continues the course towards the destruction of the Russian aircraft industry"

      Please read the articles, as they are not small in volume and with a bunch of facts and other information ...
      http://argumenti.ru/economics/2014/08/362393 это свежая статья, а ниже всё, что было раньше и с тех пор ничего не поменялось!!!
      http://argumenti.ru/toptheme/n405/283047
      http://argumenti.ru/economics/n240/63008
      http://argumenti.ru/society/n383/244091
      http://argumenti.ru/politics/n378/236071
      http://argumenti.ru/society/n374/229670
      http://argumenti.ru/society/n422/313810
      http://argumenti.ru/society/n395/266021
      http://argumenti.ru/society/n355/200499
      http://argumenti.ru/economics/n119/36882
      http://argumenti.ru/society/n345/186588
      http://argumenti.ru/society/n379/237613

      and others

      http://www.argumenti.ru/print/society/n279/96480
      http://www.argumenti.ru/print/toptheme/n99/35758
      http://www.argumenti.ru/print/toptheme/n299/117523

      go to the arguments yourself, they have been following this topic for a long time ... and just look on the Internet.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 1 September 2014 17: 34
        +6
        arguments such arguments

        There is a whole site for parsing a mythophobia on SSJ - the arguments were partly the reason for creating the site)

        http://superjet.wikidot.com/myths

        There is an opinion that Arguments are somehow interested in what they write - and interest is far from objective) They look too closely at this project
        1. Sunny blade
          Sunny blade 1 September 2014 17: 40
          0
          I'll see the link
        2. Sunny blade
          Sunny blade 1 September 2014 17: 47
          +3
          why follow? it is clear, because Poghosyan and Co. won the project on the basis of full private financing, and now about 5 billion have already been sucked to the detriment of other projects that were already ready and which are completely domestic.
      2. FID
        FID 1 September 2014 17: 40
        +1
        Dear Sunny Blade, very much agrees with you.
    8. Stalker
      Stalker 1 September 2014 18: 25
      +1
      The Irkut Corporation is capable of assembling airplanes itself and producing EVERYTHING for their assembly !!! from chassis dutik to electronics !!!!
      1. FID
        FID 1 September 2014 18: 28
        +2
        Quote: Stalker
        The Irkut Corporation is capable of assembling airplanes itself and producing EVERYTHING for their assembly !!! from chassis dutik to electronics !!!!

        And bake pies? It hurts, you are cool ...
  2. Loner_53
    Loner_53 1 September 2014 15: 14
    +2
    WE WILL LIKE TO MAKE EVERYTHING, REMOVE ALL! hi
  3. Alexey M
    Alexey M 1 September 2014 15: 15
    +18
    The Russian "liner of the future" is planned to take to the air in 2015.
    As if in 2015, bamboders with fighters did not have to be lifted.
    Some kind of fuss around Russia has begun. It’s not good, it’s not good .....
  4. Belopolyak
    Belopolyak 1 September 2014 15: 16
    +4
    Until ours begin to buy only their own, there will be no sense. And so the good news is, keep it up.
  5. Lexx
    Lexx 1 September 2014 15: 17
    +5
    Are the engines hanging too low?
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 1 September 2014 15: 18
      +1
      also about SSJ engines worried - in the end everything is ok)
      1. Snake831
        Snake831 1 September 2014 15: 52
        +3
        I am amazed by such comments! Dear, let it be known that they are not fools in the design bureau! And they know how high they are to hang engines, well, no less than yours. Oh, sorry, I could not restrain myself.
        1. ADK57
          ADK57 1 September 2014 17: 12
          +2
          That's right!
          And the plane will take off, and will collect all the plastic bags that have flown into the strip. Less cleaning, more aircraft debris. Is not it, dear?
  6. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 1 September 2014 15: 18
    0
    The good news scoreba waiting
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 1 September 2014 20: 54
      0
      Quote: VICTOR-61
      scores are waiting

      Who are "speedy"?
  7. Rigla
    Rigla 1 September 2014 15: 18
    +3
    We must rely on our production of components or, in extreme cases, on production in China and India, as soon as we fall into the clutches of the West with this issue, there will be no aircraft.
  8. Vend
    Vend 1 September 2014 15: 23
    +3
    Very curious, what's inside?
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 1 September 2014 18: 00
      +1
      Quote: Wend
      Very curious, what's inside?

      The layout of the cab.
      1. FID
        FID 1 September 2014 18: 14
        +1
        Quote: GRAY
        Cabin layout

        Speaking of the cockpit ... FAC (aircraft commander) sits on the left - do you think, dear forum users, are there many left-handed people among the FAC? But in urgent cases, it is decided in a split second ... French troubles, even Americans do not particularly recognize ... On the Tu-160, the combat pen (instead of the helm) is remade for a left-handed person if the FAC is left-handed.
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 1 September 2014 18: 21
          0
          Quote: SSI
          how many left-handed people

          They take it somewhere. Superjet-100 cockpit.
          1. FID
            FID 1 September 2014 18: 30
            +1
            Quote: GRAY
            They take it somewhere. Superjet-100 cockpit

            Well, why bother looking for a super cab ... You can take a cab of ANY watermelon and try to find the differences ...
      2. Ayujak
        Ayujak 1 September 2014 18: 19
        +1
        Ohhh ... cool! Progressive Avionics and HUD. Great if everyone implements.
  9. saag
    saag 1 September 2014 15: 25
    +4
    "The MS-21 is a modular aircraft, on its basis we will get a line of even more interesting machines of a different dimension. These aircraft will allow Russia to have mobile highly qualified troops that can be instantly deployed wherever it is needed," Dmitry Rogozin said.

    Strange proclamation, IL-476, for what then do?
    1. Matrosov
      Matrosov 1 September 2014 16: 34
      +4
      Unfortunately, Rogozin also blunders, and the MC-21 is more for whom the composition is needed, special flight units. Replacing the old Tu-154. He will not be able to displace the IL-476 truck. Yes and no. Even if they produce it faster, we need to update our equipment fleet soon.
  10. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 1 September 2014 15: 28
    +1
    Yes, it’s wonderful that they began to think about creating their own liners. Enough to enrich the ungrateful West and boost their economy. Seperjet - 100 our tog, after all, as it has shown itself remarkably, many people harass it for their countries. Give GOD OUR RUSSIA FAST TO GATHER UP !!! YES MORE THAN SMART LEADERS COME TO HEAD AND THE STATE AND THE INDUSTRY !!!
  11. DMB-88
    DMB-88 1 September 2014 15: 29
    +6
    MS-21 has long been called "promising"!
    The developments of the Tupolev and Ilyushin Design Bureau are also "promising", but they have not been put into series for decades! For some reason, it is more convenient for the Government of the Russian Federation and for carriers to purchase and maintain imported aerosol. All aviation specialists and the "old guard" of pilots have been pounding the thresholds of high offices for 20 years, proving that Our technology is better. But things are still there. The chatter about promising aircraft in the media and zomboyaschik remains chatter. We are losing (if not already lost) the great school of aircraft construction. The mediocre leadership in the country is only capable of simple operations such as squeezing and sawing, but they do not have to recreate the aviation industry. no knowledge, no desire. As long as there will be people like Serdyukov in the leadership and ministries, and the stupid apparatchiks will be replaced by their no less stupid children with purchased managerial diplomas - - industry, and even more so science-intensive as aircraft construction, will not revive!
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara 1 September 2014 15: 40
      +2
      here the answer lies in a certain plane. We have a certain Poghosyan, by whose efforts nothing was built (or NOTHING was built?), The sanctions did not touch him by the way, and apparently not without reason. You need to clean the device ..
    2. AUL
      AUL 1 September 2014 16: 05
      +2
      So, after all, buying trash abroad is easier and kickbacks again ... But producing it yourself is a troublesome, risky business, there will be no quick profit. It’s not profitable for effective managers, but they don’t care for the interests of the country!
    3. Iline
      Iline 1 September 2014 19: 34
      0
      The aircraft MC-21 (Mainline aircraft of the 21st century) should replace, according to the idea of ​​the developers, the outdated Soviet models Tu-154, as well as press foreign A-320 and Boeing-737.

      This is the perspective! It is necessary to call things by their proper names, remembering from which years the given models were produced. Or rather, try to replace the popular models with domestic ones, and with respect to the Tu-154 even more economical ones.
      There is no progress so far. We hit the tails.
  12. Wiruz
    Wiruz 1 September 2014 15: 30
    +1
    What a handsome man! I hope there will be an opportunity to fly on it.
  13. novel68rus
    novel68rus 1 September 2014 15: 31
    +1
    everything needs political will ... and we can buy our planes and not ovsk cheap stuff and change the bureaucrats from Merc to the domestic auto industry .. if only the quality was .. a decree from above is needed and that's it ..
  14. suharev-52
    suharev-52 1 September 2014 15: 33
    +2
    What is the percentage of foreign components? was infa, which is about 70%. Sincerely.
    1. urzul
      urzul 1 September 2014 15: 36
      0
      70% in number or value?
    2. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 1 September 2014 15: 45
      0
      Quote: suharev-52
      What is the percentage of foreign components? was infa, which is about 70%. Sincerely.

      at the first stage, 50% of the foreign seems to be, but already from the 4th liner their engines will be
      1. Serrrrgo
        Serrrrgo 1 September 2014 15: 56
        +1
        Well, here the difference is that Airbus, for example, is also 50% of imported components, but they have their own high technology. And for the time being, on the contrary, it’s good if at least the engines have their own.
        In principle, it's okay, jobs are being opened, planes are being built, taxes are being paid. But now the time is not easy, if the sanctions affect aviation, including the supply of spare parts and services, then I would like to have something completely from domestic components.
    3. DMB-88
      DMB-88 1 September 2014 16: 20
      +1
      Quote: suharev-52
      What is the percentage of foreign components? was infa, which is about 70%. Sincerely.

      70% of imports are Superjet! We must go for a walk!
  15. v245721
    v245721 1 September 2014 15: 34
    +1
    Well!!! because we can, when the "partridge" American bite. Lord !!!! "Save Obama."
    1. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 1 September 2014 15: 46
      0
      Quote: v245721
      Well!!! because we can, when the "partridge" American bite. Lord !!!! "Save Obama."

      This aircraft has been developed for 8-9 years. where does the American partridge come from?
  16. snc
    snc 1 September 2014 15: 36
    0
    Actually, the Tu-154 replacement has been around for a long time, it is the Tu-204/214, and it is produced, albeit miserable, but in a series. What is wrong with him? Still, apparently the MS-21 is a smaller class car, but there is already a superjet, what prevents it from increasing its degree of localization? Does it make sense to invest in another car of the same class? We have no oversupply of money.
    1. urzul
      urzul 1 September 2014 15: 45
      0
      They have different classes, MS-21 just covers the capacity gap between the Jet and Tu-204СМ
      And in the MS-21-400 version it just replaces the Tu-204СМ
    2. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 1 September 2014 15: 53
      0
      Quote: snc
      Actually, the Tu-154 replacement has been around for a long time, it is the Tu-204/214, and it is produced, albeit miserable, but in a series. What is wrong with him?

      The Tu-204 aircraft was developed long ago, and the MC-21 was originally created with the expectation of competition with Boeing and Airbus. For example, the MS-21 has a wider fuselage than foreign competitors in this class, which is more convenient for passengers and reduces landing time. And time is money. Fuel consumption is also lower than that of foreigners, including due to weight reduction due to the widespread use of composite materials.
      Quote: snc
      but there is already a superjet, what prevents to increase its degree of localization? Does it make sense to invest in another car of the same class?

      Superjet - a car of another class - short-haul. It has only 98 seats, and on the MC-21, depending on the version, from 150 to 210, in my opinion
    3. malygyn
      malygyn 1 September 2014 16: 25
      -1
      Read Arguments of the Week. For more than one year, they have raised the issue of our aviation, the super engine NK-93, and about the scum Poghosyan and Mansurov. They deliberately ruin the aircraft industry in order to cut the loot on a jet with an MS. Articles almost every week
      1. Winged 38
        Winged 38 2 September 2014 18: 56
        0
        From the manufacturer's website, Irkut plant:
        MS-21 has numerous advantages over existing and promising aircraft of other manufacturers:
        * The most popular passenger market
        * Low operating costs due to the use of the latest achievements in the field of aerodynamics and engine building, the use of new systems and materials that reduce fuel consumption, reduce aircraft weight, reduce harmful gas emissions and reduce noise on the ground
        * The ability to ensure high flying time by reducing turnaround times at the airport and increasing the intervals between maintenance work, as well as a higher cruising speed
        * The widest fuselage in the class of medium-haul aircraft and an improved microclimate allow us to provide passengers and crew with comfort comparable to the comfort of wide-body aircraft of the latest generation
        * A high level of unification within the family reduces the cost of retraining personnel and maintenance.

        As well as comments about the cabin and passenger comfort:
        MS-21 provides passengers with unique comfort and reduces flight fatigue:
        * Increased personal space, including for passengers sitting by the window
        * The interior design takes into account modern anthropometric trends in increasing the volume and growth of passengers, making flight comfortable for people of different complexions
        * A wide passage allows passengers to be serviced without blocking the passage with trolleys, freely disperse for two passengers, as well as better service for people with disabilities and persons with disabilities
        * Large luggage racks provide the possibility of placing additional hand luggage
        * Increased natural light in the passenger compartment thanks to the installation of large portholes and a special interior design
        * Improved microclimate of the passenger compartment:
        - reduction of noise in a cabin;
        - increased pressure;
        - An air humidification system is installed;
        - The latest biological filters are installed;
        - Three temperature control zones are installed.

        Link to of. website:
        http://www.irkut.com/products/16/240/
      2. user1212
        user1212 4 September 2014 07: 23
        0
        Quote: maligyn
        Read Arguments of the Week. For more than one year, they have raised the issue of our aviation, the super engine NK-93, and about the scum Poghosyan and Mansurov. They deliberately ruin the aircraft industry in order to cut the loot on a jet with an MS. Articles almost every week

        They just write it by order of other scum, and even lie godlessly. The net is already full of analyzes of the lies of these "journalists" and "ikpertov"
    4. user1212
      user1212 1 September 2014 17: 18
      +2
      Quote: snc
      Actually, the Tu-154 replacement has been around for a long time, it is the Tu-204/214, and it is produced, albeit miserable, but in a series. What is wrong with him?

      Vicious circle. Tu 204/214 aircraft do not build because there is no demand. But there is no demand because the series of aircraft is small and that means spare parts are almost made to order (very expensive), there are few pilots, the operating experience is scanty, there is no way to provide technical support for the aircraft not enough specialists. And there are no specialists since there are no orders, the series is small ... and all from the beginning ... Our airlines do not mind buying Russian planes, but only if they are issued in a large series, and they themselves will not be able to order an extended series. Airlines do not need demonization either. And what kind of series can we talk about if the 204s from 89 released only about 70 pieces (11 modifications !!!)? Boeing is not only better, but easier to operate. There are no spare parts for the shaft, specialists for servicing the shaft, pilots with the shaft, there are no problems with admission to anywhere in the world (Boeing is certified everywhere), etc. Just airlines do not want to solve all the problems of the aviation industry at their own expense. It's hard to blame them
      1. cat hippopotamus
        cat hippopotamus 2 September 2014 02: 44
        0
        So take it now, horseradish roofing felts, oak horseradish felts.
  17. Iskander 090
    Iskander 090 1 September 2014 15: 37
    0
    outside is beautiful. It would have been more spacious. and then chairs for drischi seem to be made
    1. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 1 September 2014 16: 05
      +2
      Quote: Iskander 090
      outside is beautiful. It would have been more spacious. and then chairs for drischi seem to be made

      His seats are normal:
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 1 September 2014 16: 12
        0
        Uh, well, this is a photo of a business class lounge. The economy class seats are simpler.
        1. user1212
          user1212 1 September 2014 16: 43
          0
          Quote: fzr1000
          Uh, well, this is a photo of a business class lounge. The economy class seats are simpler.

          The salon is determined by the customer. Which will order such and will be. The question is not about the design of the aircraft
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 1 September 2014 17: 20
            0
            Well, the whole cabin with such chairs will not be there, or the carrier will burn out. And the width of the seats in the business is 1,5 times greater than in the economy with the same width of the fuselage. Right? Hence the first post.
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 1 September 2014 16: 50
      0
      and then chairs for drischi seem to be made

      That's because someone eats too much hi
  18. bmv04636
    bmv04636 1 September 2014 15: 41
    +3
    more positive news:
    The rescuers of the Ministry of Emergencies of Russia received unique portable communication devices for pilot operation, which allow receiving and transmitting emergency information in mines and mines at a distance of over six kilometers, RIA Novosti reports.
    “According to the results of full-scale tests, the maximum communication range for the mine workings in the presence of cables and a ground loop in it was 6,1 thousand meters, in a straight line through the rock in the absence of cables and metal structures - 1,2 thousand meters,” noted MOE. Based on the results of trial operation, it was decided to begin equipping mountain rescuers with this type of communication. In addition, in the near future, rescuers can arm themselves with another modern device - Pikor-Bio. This device can find people under the rubble at a depth of several meters, as well as establish the exact number of victims, looking through the walls. Recall that the most serious emergency in mines in recent years was the explosion on February 11, 2013 at the Vorkutinskaya mine. Then 19 people were killed, two more were injured.
    1. cat hippopotamus
      cat hippopotamus 2 September 2014 02: 40
      0
      I can add one more positive news, though not about the topic, but about the birds. The bell-ringer, e..went from the belfry, he was apparently drunk, and so he himself was rattling to ears and at least something. We make good galoshes. Yes, ask, what does the bird have to do with it, as local grannies from the parish said flew like sparrows.
  19. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 1 September 2014 15: 45
    +8
    Well, with the Sukhoi Superjet SSJ100, everything is enough "in chocolate" The machine is quite hyped, flies like hot cakes.
    So, in 2013, in KnAF CJSC “GSS” 25 SSJ 100 aircraft with serial numbers were produced: 95009, 95025, 95026, 95027, 95028, 95029, 95030, 95031, 95032, 95033, 95034, 95035, 95036, 95037, 95038, 95039 , 95040, 95041, 95042, 95043, 95045, 95046, 95048, 95055, 95056, XNUMX.
    At the end of the 2013 of the year, 9 aircraft (No.№ 95044, 95047, 95050, 95051, 95052, 95053, 95057, 95058, 95059) and components on the 8 aircraft (No. 95049, 95060, 95061, 95062, 95063, 95064 , 95054, 95065, XNUMX) to varying degrees of readiness for customers of OJSC Aeroflot-Russian Airlines, LLC Aviation Enterprise Gazpromavia, SJI, OJSC UTair Airlines.
    http://alexeyvvo.livejournal.com/77524.html


    The first Sukhoi SuperJet SSJ2013-100B aircraft built in 95 for the Mexican airline Interjet (serial number 95028, Mexican registration XA-JLV). This board was the third SSJ100 aircraft to enter the Interjet fleet.
    Pleased with its production this year:
    In the evening of March 5, 2014, the Sukhoi Superjet SSJ100-95B aircraft (serial number 95051, registration number RA-89026), built by Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (SCA), made its first flight in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, which became the fiftieth Sukhoi Superjet flight aircraft SSJ100. The aircraft is intended for Aeroflot - Russian Airlines. This is the fourth SSJ100 to be flown in 2014.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/766829.html


    The Sukhoi Superjet SSJ100-95B aircraft (serial number 95051, registration number RA-89026) intended for Aeroflot, which has become the fiftieth Sukhoi Superjet SSJ100 flight aircraft. shortly before the start of flight tests. Komsomolsk-on-Amur
    Now, on the issue of the MC-21, I think that we should spit on all these so-called. "projects" with ukrai: An-70, An-148, which constantly demonstrate themselves as a traditionally unreliable partner. One "epic" with An-70 is worth something. In fact, for our money, we keep the economy of a hostile state afloat. Of course, I feel sorry for Antonov ASTC, which has the misfortune to be in Kiev, but in the minuses, there are pluses, its technical and scientific personnel will move to Russia, where we do not have enough trained specialists. Therefore, what for should we pay royalties to Ukraine for the An-148, if we can concentrate all efforts on the construction of a normal domestic aircraft, which will become the MS-21, and eventually specialists from Kiev will catch up there.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 1 September 2014 15: 51
      +6
      Quote: Novel 1977
      The machine is quite untwisted, scatters like hot cakes.

      Last week, Malaysia and Mexico additionally ordered 6 and 10 aircraft respectively ...
  20. Victor1
    Victor1 1 September 2014 15: 46
    -8
    The main thing is that this aircraft should consist of domestic components, and not as a screwdriver jet for 90% of foreign ones ..
    1. urzul
      urzul 1 September 2014 15: 48
      +4
      Throw thickly, won't pay
      1. Victor1
        Victor1 1 September 2014 18: 37
        -2
        Another troll from the 5th column? go to another place to glorify your rotten west ..
        We can build our own, that's just so narrow-minded and are ready to jump for joy from a candy wrapper.
        What is the use of a superjet if it has 90% of foreign components? You need to raise your aircraft industry, and not a screwdriver assembly.
  21. MSA
    MSA 1 September 2014 15: 53
    +1
    It’s high time to develop our own, otherwise all sorts of ghouls with their sanctions put sticks in the wheels.
  22. Snake831
    Snake831 1 September 2014 15: 53
    +1
    Quote: urzul
    If you notice an error in the text, select the text with the error and press Ctrl + Enter

    I'm from smart!)
  23. Saburo
    Saburo 1 September 2014 16: 00
    0
    Do you plan to replace the French engines on the Superjet with anything?
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 1 September 2014 20: 26
      0
      Quote: Saburo
      Do you plan to replace the French engines on the Superjet with anything?

      They are produced, change them ...
  24. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 1 September 2014 16: 06
    +5
    Well, guys, one more good news. How many copies were broken around the unfortunate "Thread" in Saki. Our dear Ukrainian "friends" diligently did everything to make us leave. after we did this and began to build our own simulator in Yeisk, the propagandists were coming out to say that we would not succeed. When the simulator in Yeisk started working, they started shouting that now it was definitely "override". because instead of "klyatih m_scale", Indians and Chinese will train, while diligently disassembling it into metal. And here's what happened:
    In August 2014, 6 Su-33 fighters and two Su-25UTG aircraft arrived at the Saki airfield of the Republic of Crimea of ​​the Russian Federation from the Northern Fleet to resume flights from the Nitka Complex in order to train flight personnel for the ship's training program. It is planned to train young pilots, who have recently graduated from pilot training schools, to give their first takeoff and landing skills.
    Apparently the brake system at the Nitka complex is currently under repair?
    It can be assumed that in the future there will be a certain division of influences between the old Thread in Saki and the new Thread in Yeysk. Probably, pilot flights on SU-brand aircraft will be practiced on one Thread - in Saki, in Yeysk they will train pilots for MiG-29K aircraft and solve other tasks of naval aviation combat training. Thanks to those military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who preserved the Nitki complex in Saki.

    http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/211405.html

  25. mig31
    mig31 1 September 2014 16: 16
    +2
    And what to plan, we are a great aerospace country that has given birth and raised the greatest designers and testers of aircraft and complexes of the entire world community !!!! This should equal our achievements, and we are in front of the planet for the peaceful use of the development of airspace ........
  26. Sunny blade
    Sunny blade 1 September 2014 16: 22
    +1
    Quote: DMB-88
    MS-21 has long been called "promising"!
    The developments of the Tupolev and Ilyushin Design Bureau are also "promising", but they have not been put into series for decades! For some reason, it is more convenient for the Government of the Russian Federation and for carriers to purchase and maintain imported aerosol. All aviation specialists and the "old guard" of pilots have been pounding the thresholds of high offices for 20 years, proving that Our technology is better. But things are still there. The chatter about promising aircraft in the media and zomboyaschik remains chatter. We are losing (if not already lost) the great school of aircraft construction. The mediocre leadership in the country is only capable of simple operations such as squeezing and sawing, but they do not have to recreate the aviation industry. no knowledge, no desire. As long as there will be people like Serdyukov in the leadership and ministries, and the stupid apparatchiks will be replaced by their no less stupid children with purchased managerial diplomas - - industry, and even more so science-intensive as aircraft construction, will not revive!
  27. FID
    FID 1 September 2014 16: 23
    +11
    Let the old one grumble a little ... Who said that everything is smooth with the super? Do you agree with bankrupt from Malaysia and Laos? Again for our money with you will correct their affairs? You know, in order for Mexicans to fly in Interjet Mexican, a base with spare parts was rebuilt in Texas? At whose expense? Why, if everything is so good, does GSS incur losses and asks for money all the time? According to managers from the SCA - they have SOLID orders - 180 cars, 3 years of work, and then ???? Where is the line of customers? Why this aircraft DO NOT TAKE domestic a / c (just do not have to give an example of trances - they have already transferred the purchase of supers to a later date, and Yakutia is almost bankrupt, Muscovy is ALREADY bankrupt ...). Now, about the MS-21 (Yak-242 - it will be more correct) ... It is doubtful that it will fly at the end of 2015, but God bless them, these dates ... Actually, in Russia, there are 4 large ones, i.e. with money, a / c: they are Aeroflot, Transaero, UTair and Siberia (S7), but they are packed head over heels with water beans and watermelons and stand in line for the purchase of new ones. Answer me - who will take the batch of aircraft (at least 10-15 pieces)? That's right - nobody, corny, the rest of the a / c NO MONEY to buy new aircraft. The bottom line is we have unit production, and, as a result, sky-high prices! And do not forget that both Boeing and Airbus pay 10% of the commission on the total transaction amount! I really want to make mistakes in my forecasts, but I have been working in the aviation industry for more than 30 years, and with my hands (business trips to aircraft factories, a / c, airports, etc.) and I know this kitchen firsthand and not from Wikipedia .. .. I apologize for the possible mistakes, but the glasses were broken in the subway, I write almost to the touch ...
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 1 September 2014 16: 40
      +6
      I’ll answer about the financing of purchases of the MS-21, and SSJ, in the domestic market, only some state leasing program for 1,5% per annum will help, without it in any way.
      PS The technical base in Texas is not the bad news, do not run in the Russian Federation every time.
      PS 2 According to MS-21, I also do not believe in 2015, but the photo of the workshop in Irkutsk in early 2014 gives some hope.
      1. FID
        FID 1 September 2014 16: 48
        +2
        Quote: fzr1000
        state leasing program for 1,5% per annum, without it in any way.

        There is VEBleasing and there is IFC, but .... VEB, you yourself understand - the state, and in IFC 50% of OAK's, but there is no leasing in a / c money ..
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 1 September 2014 16: 51
          +1
          So I’m saying leasing is not for commercial (bank) interest, but a purely symbolic rate to support the industry, and not to skim the cream.
          And Aeroflot had a lot of money until the last year. Volunteer now of course will be developed at the expense of Aeroflot, but the state could give money. Here we need the will of the Government and the desire of the Central Bank with the Ministry of Finance.
          1. FID
            FID 1 September 2014 17: 07
            0
            I already wrote about our "giants". They WILL IN PRINCIPAL WILL NOT TAKE domestic cars, moreover, AFL is a state-owned a / c. They got supers, but they won’t take anything else - the policy of shareholders, seven years would not see them all !!!
            And Dobrolet ... maybe we won’t hear about it anymore.
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 1 September 2014 17: 36
              0
              Here the will of the Government is needed ....
              and shareholders re-do-ma-yut, all of a sudden.

              By the way, do not vtyuhivat. The MS-21, you know, can be made a much more interesting acquisition for the airline than SSJ. But isn’t the dumb cut money actually a project for MS-21? Are there really no options for marketing it now?
              We'll see.
              1. FID
                FID 1 September 2014 17: 51
                0
                My opinion is no. Not to force "shareholders" to buy without kickbacks, there will always be excuses, such as - about reliability, about safety, etc. etc...
            2. samoletil18
              samoletil18 1 September 2014 21: 19
              0
              Dobrolet daughter of Aeroflot. They got sanctions, they remembered the Tu-204. But (!), A couple of weeks later they began to announce a new airline. And here I am tormented by vague doubts that the 204th will be somehow considered in terms of equipping the new company.
              1. FID
                FID 1 September 2014 21: 33
                0
                There will be no AFL, NEVER, take domestic aviation! A living example: Vladivostok-Avia, flew the Tu-204-300 (range 7-9 thousand, depending on the load), became Aeroflot's "daughter" and -? That's right, people left their planes and left ... And you say Dobrolet and sanctions ...
    2. cat hippopotamus
      cat hippopotamus 2 September 2014 02: 33
      +1
      I believe the old grumbler is right.
    3. Winged 38
      Winged 38 2 September 2014 19: 07
      0
      Apparently all the hope of our aviation industry for new sanctions from the west. They will be introduced as Dobrolet, and our 4 leaders will be forced to order our aircraft until the current resource is exhausted. But in another way ??
      1. Taga
        Taga 5 September 2014 11: 16
        0
        It’s good if they order our products (with or without sanctions), and not buy shells through the shell companies.
  28. P-38
    P-38 1 September 2014 16: 28
    +1
    The main thing is to bring to the series and MASS production
  29. vic.danilow2014
    vic.danilow2014 1 September 2014 16: 41
    +2
    Finally, they reached the time to create their own technology not inferior to Western counterparts. Maybe now they will reduce their ambition.
  30. bubla5
    bubla5 1 September 2014 16: 49
    0
    Handsome man on IL-62 is like, because there was a good plane
    1. saag
      saag 1 September 2014 17: 10
      0
      Well, the IL-62 has a completely different layout
  31. cucun
    cucun 1 September 2014 17: 59
    +1
    I would not want to, but I’m sure (I bet) that it won’t take off in 15 ...
    Very good sorry.
    Irkutsk, and not only so much money laundered on this project ....
    1. Winged 38
      Winged 38 2 September 2014 19: 13
      0
      The dough may not have been washed, but the plane is already flying. All summer I made circles around the city, I saw it myself, because I live here. So no matter how much the loot is "sawed", but the process is slowly moving, People are working.
  32. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 1 September 2014 18: 50
    +1
    Quote: user1212
    Name at least one airliner fully designed and manufactured on the territory of one state

    In today's world, the confrontation is not going along the line of individual states, but along the line of civilizations! Western civilization, for many centuries leading a hostile, aggressive policy against Russia, the Russian world, which today includes NATO countries, is conducting an open attack on Russia, the Russian world! And it is super-naive and utopian in these conditions to count on the fact that in her interests she will also contribute to the restoration of a powerful aircraft industry in Russia, which the West, through its adherents, tried to destroy, first of all, during the period of "humpbacked perestroika" and "young reformism" under Apohmeltsin!
  33. cachekmosa
    cachekmosa 1 September 2014 19: 53
    +1
    Quote: Sunny Blade
    After reading the comments, I realized that most of them are not on the topic of what is happening with our aviation industry, many companies forbid employees to fly in a super unsuccessful superjet airplane, according to statistics, the aeroflot is most repaired, tests at a time when it was not flying perhaps the situation is completed and now the situation is the same, the largest number of failures during the flight, there is almost nothing domestic there, the MC-21 is a little more but the same topic ... and the real ones are domestic and somewhere 100% ready, somewhere absolutely less ignored ... you can’t deceive them when everything is ready !!!

    Therefore, I decided to register and make a contribution ...
    I will add "The President of the UAC continues the course towards the destruction of the Russian aircraft industry"

    Please read the articles, as they are not small in volume and with a bunch of facts and other information ...
    http://argumenti.ru/economics/2014/08/362393 это свежая статья, а ниже всё, что было раньше и с тех пор ничего не поменялось!!!
    http://argumenti.ru/toptheme/n405/283047
    http://argumenti.ru/economics/n240/63008
    http://argumenti.ru/society/n383/244091
    http://argumenti.ru/politics/n378/236071
    http://argumenti.ru/society/n374/229670
    http://argumenti.ru/society/n422/313810
    http://argumenti.ru/society/n395/266021
    http://argumenti.ru/society/n355/200499
    http://argumenti.ru/economics/n119/36882
    http://argumenti.ru/society/n345/186588
    http://argumenti.ru/society/n379/237613

    and others

    http://www.argumenti.ru/print/society/n279/96480
    http://www.argumenti.ru/print/toptheme/n99/35758
    http://www.argumenti.ru/print/toptheme/n299/117523

    go to the arguments yourself, they have been following this topic for a long time ... and just look on the Internet.


    something is just one source of information. I DO NOT BELIEVE
  34. gozmosZh
    gozmosZh 1 September 2014 19: 59
    0
    Quote: maligyn
    about scum Poghosyan with Mansurov. Intentionally ruin the aviation industry

    still those devils! (
  35. clidon
    clidon 1 September 2014 21: 24
    0
    Superjet and MS-21 are examples of how to properly develop a competitive industry. It’s a pity if cars eventually destroy sanctions.
  36. samoletil18
    samoletil18 1 September 2014 21: 29
    0
    And "partners" will give the opportunity for certification? Personally, I am plagued by vague doubts. It is necessary to promote Tu-204,214.
    Expert Online Aug 11, 2014 15:27 p.m.

    Airlines choosing Russian Tu-204 and SSJ-100 planes for flights to Crimea may receive state subsidies, Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade Yuri Slyusar said on Monday to RIA Novosti.

    The only Russian low-cost airline, Dobrolet, was included in the EU sanctions list for operating flights to Crimea. The European leasing company demanded the termination of the sublease agreement for the Boeing 737-800 planes that Dobrolet flew, and the carrier was forced to suspend flights on all routes.

    "In order to avoid the situation that happened with Dobrolet, we <...> consider it correct to use Russian Tu-204 and Sukhoi Superjet aircraft for flights to Crimea," Slyusar said, adding that those airlines that will choose these types of ships will receive additional subsidies from the state.

    According to the deputy minister, the experience of operating the Tu-204 for flights to the Crimea this summer has already shown the effectiveness and demand of this aircraft
  37. quote
    quote 1 September 2014 21: 33
    0
    Quote: cahekmosa
    After reading the comments, I realized that most of them are not at all on the topic of what is happening with our aviation industry, many companies forbid employees to fly in a super unsuccessful superjet airplane, according to statistics, most of them are under repair in Aeroflot,

    From the point of view of Mexican regional aviation, the appearance of the SSJ100 may affect the cost of tickets throughout the region. This will be our contribution to the country's economy and help people, as tickets will become cheaper. Compared to the Embraer, the SSJ100 is lighter and more advanced. The cost of its operation is 2,5 times lower than that of analogues, but for us it is a lot. It has modern avionics installed, engines provide 10% fuel economy. Finally, just carry out its maintenance. This is the best plane we had.

    Italian pilots from SJI and Mexican from Interjet also note the characteristics of the Russian aircraft, in conversations with us they expressed their compliments to the car. And in particular, in terms of fuel consumption, which turned out to be not just an “excellent”, and even better.

    “The Sukhoi Superjet behaves amazingly in the air,” admitted the pilot of the Mexico-Mazatlan flight, Diego Esquivel. - It is maneuverable, easily gaining height, it is pleasant to manage. I worked for many years on Airbus, and honestly, I am surprised by the Russian plane.
  38. quote
    quote 1 September 2014 21: 34
    +1
    In Mexico, cars are running around like zapoloshnye: if the average daily flight time of the SSJ100 fleet in Aeroflot, as pilots report in their blogs, rarely exceeds 4,5 hours (in Moskovia - 7,2 hours), in Mexico in the first 4 weeks the maximum the flight time was over 11 hours, and the operational reliability was more than 99%. 738 flights with a total duration of more than 794 flight hours were performed. Only 7 delays with an average of 23 minutes were recorded. The planes performed up to 16 (!) Flights per day.

    According to experts, these are very good results for a narrow-body short-haul aircraft, the Superjet is considered to be a regional airliner designed for short-distance flights, and for him such figures can be called excellent.
    1. FID
      FID 2 September 2014 09: 58
      0
      Quote: devis
      According to experts, these are very good results for a narrow-body short-haul aircraft, the Superjet is considered to be a regional airliner designed for short-distance flights, and for him such figures can be called excellent.

      You see, where are the reviews of our pilots? Where are the winning reports of our a / c? After all, WHO are we building planes for?
  39. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 1 September 2014 23: 09
    +2
    In order for everything to go more or less smoothly in the Russian Federation, you need to moderate the appetite of bureaucrats and airline managers who will saw through everything they give! therefore, the prospects for Russian promising technology will be foggy until there are real landings for cutting (and this, according to experts, almost 50% of the budget money allocated for promising projects!) angry
  40. Baloo
    Baloo 1 September 2014 23: 09
    0
    The engines are so low specifically to swallow dust and small debris, but what if the pebble sucks?
  41. voliador
    voliador 2 September 2014 00: 04
    0
    If only with him as with a superjet failed.
  42. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 2 September 2014 02: 21
    +1
    God grant that, because we can when we want. The Tu-204 project died quietly, and the plane was not bad. And it could have long ago squeezed out the second hand foreign park, but this topic just did not go. Although the Belgians took it as a cargo and flew. True, it was not allowed in Sheremetyevo 2 so that ours would not see that this is a completely competitive plane and foreigners fly on it. His command the "lobby" apparently ordered so. It was profitable for someone to buy an old foreign park. Well, now times may have changed and the interests of the state are higher than personal, maybe all this will move off the ground.
  43. DMB-88
    DMB-88 2 September 2014 02: 50
    0
    Quote: cat hippo
    Well, now the times may have changed and the interests of the state are higher than personal, maybe all this will move from a dead point.


    Unfortunately, so far everything remains the same ... And this is the opinion of all experts. Unfortunately I lost a reference ... about the killing of domestic aircraft ... Well, the West does not need competitors! Not needed!!!
    1. cat hippopotamus
      cat hippopotamus 2 September 2014 03: 00
      0
      About Yak 40, you can forget. Small-haul and in its class the safest aircraft according to estimates of foreign experts. Now there is an acute shortage of cars of this class, GDP, while being in Samara, he raised the question of near-main planes. And the Saratov aircraft factory that produced the Yak40 now stands in ruins. The US people at one time, in the early 2000s, wanted to order as many as 400 aircraft, and we would be glad to have the shareholders scrap metal for the plant.
  44. sgr291158
    sgr291158 2 September 2014 05: 28
    0
    It is necessary to raise the domestic aircraft industry, how much you can fly on imports. You have to do yours and to be not worse but better.
  45. silver169
    silver169 2 September 2014 05: 51
    +2
    Very nice plane. I hope to fly soon.