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"Failed" states in the plans of Washington

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The laws of changing the phases of the “life cycle” of states - their origin, formation, decline and disappearance, which occupied the minds of mankind at all times, became especially acute and relevant at the end of the 20th - beginning of the 21st centuries. Against the background of fundamental changes in the system of international relations - the completion of bloc confrontation, reducing the risk of global war - the processes that testified to the increasing vulnerability and diminishing viability of individual states and entire regions rapidly gained strength. Suffice it to recall that this period saw the disintegration of a whole group of states that were part of the socialist community. However, if the former socialist countries found new forms of government, under the conditions of globalization that was gaining momentum, many countries in Asia and Africa fell out of the process of world development and came very close to the critical threshold that put their existence on a practical level.


Although the problem of “insolvency” of states is firmly established in modern scientific and political discourse, it can be said that theoretically it remains insufficiently developed. When analyzing the “insolvency” of a state, experts face the problem of a wide variety of its manifestations: the state can be recognized as “weak” in terms of its ability to control its territory, provide an acceptable standard of living for its citizens, develop and strengthen standards of social behavior, etc. As a result, up to now there is no consensus among researchers on which countries should be classified as “failed”.

Very wide remains the range of opinions regarding the “content” of this concept. For example, the Swiss researcher D. Türer proceeds from the fact that “insolvent states” are “a breakdown product of state structures that ensure law and order”. In his opinion, the overwhelming majority of “failed states” are entities with “aggressive, voluntaristic or totalitarian” regimes of power [1]. And the employee of the Berlin Science and Politics Foundation, W. Schneckener, understands the term “failed” as a state that “has lost the ability to manage in the main areas of competence”, to which he proposes to include “a monopoly on the use of force, public services in various fields, mechanisms for the distribution of economic resources, public participation in politics and decision-making procedures, stability of political institutions ”. W. Schneckener identifies three types of states: “weak states” (weak states), “failing states” or “failing states”, and “failed states” proper. According to the expert, the latter type of states are characterized by “lack of ability to perform basic functions, which suggests that“ total collapse or collapse of statehood ”[2].



The lack of development of the very concept of a “failed state” was reflected in the nomination of a wide range of definitions for this phenomenon. “Fragile”, “collapsed”, “failed”, “experiencing decay”, “weak / critically weak / requiring observation”, “incapable”, “in decline,” “quasi-states”, “parastate”, “states “outcasts”, “bankrupt states” - authors' teams and individual experts offer their options for defining “insolvency”, justifying their arguments and criteria. Under these conditions, the term “failed state” has become the most widespread, translated in the national scientific and political vocabulary as “failed” or “failed” state [3].

A powerful impetus to the theoretical development of the problem of “insolvency” of states in recent years has made this kind of research relevant to the ruling circles of the West, primarily the United States, who tried to use the real and perceived threats generated by this phenomenon in their strategic interests. Under the administration of J. Bush Jr. and then B. Obama, states labeled "failed" were declared hotbeds of terrorism, a threat to the world community, and included among the priority problems of US national security. In the recent past, this served as a rationale for sending troops into Afghanistan in 2001 and in Iraq in 2003.

As a result, today in the West and first of all in the USA there is a “boom” of research on this topic, in which the theoretical study of the problem is increasingly giving way to the development of applied criteria for “insolvency” and compiling state ratings based on them. The American Brookings Institute (“index of sovereignty” and “index of state weakness of developing countries”), George Mason University (“index of fragility of states”), University of Maryland (“list of instability of the world and conflicts”) created their designs. Own ratings of “insolvent” countries were developed by a number of Western government agencies participating in international development programs and donor assistance: the United States Agency for International Development, the Commission on Weak States and National Interests of the United States Global Development Center, the United Kingdom’s Department for International Development, Canadian International Development; World Bank [4].

Already the list of centers actively dealing with the problems of insolvency of states leads to certain reflections. And although most of them position themselves as “independent, non-partisan, non-profit research and educational institutions,” it is striking that many of them have close contacts with the US administration, and therefore it is quite natural to ask the question of the sources of financing research, their objectivity and impartiality. On the whole, it seems that the background of this process is to establish the monopoly right for American experts to “build” the modern picture of the world, to evaluate other states, to draw conclusions and conclusions on this basis.

One of the most developed among the western ratings of insolvency today is the project of the American Fund for Peace [5], which prepares annual reports on the state of the problem of insolvent countries in the world, which are widely spread.

Central to the methodology for assessing the socio-economic development of countries is a quantitative assessment of the degree of insolvency. It is expressed by the States Insolvency Index (Failed States Index - FSI), which is a system for assessing countries by the achieved level of political institutions development and the effectiveness of their social and economic policies.

The information and analytical base, on the basis of which FSI is calculated, is based on the analysis of a large array of documents and messages on various socio-economic and political aspects, taking into account a large number of factors and interrelations between them for each of the 178 states included in the rating. The FSI value for each country is calculated by summing up the values ​​of twelve key indicators, which in turn are compiled based on more than 100 auxiliary indicators.

The indicators of the socio-economic group are designed to capture the nature and extent of the negative impact of problems related to environmental degradation, natural disasters and epidemics (No. 1), the presence of refugees and displaced persons (No. 2), deepening inequality and tension between social and religious groups (No. No. 3 and 4), by the growth of emigration and brain drain (No. 5) by the deterioration of the main economic indicators - a decrease in GDP, an increase in the economic deficit, the size of public debt, and inflation and unemployment and (№ 6).

The group of political and military indicators provides for the analysis of such phenomena as the degree of efficiency of public administration, the scale of corruption, the state of the “shadow economy” (No. 7), the degree of provision of citizens with the necessary level of services, primarily in the areas of health and education (No. 8), provision human rights and rule of law cases (No. 9), state of the security forces and law and order (No. 10), state of the political and electoral process (No. 11), interference by external forces (No. 12).

Each of the indicators takes a value from 0 to 10, with a higher value corresponding to the worst state in the evaluated area. The total FSI value ranges from 0 to 120.

As a result of the addition of indicators, the countries surveyed are ranked by the value of the FSI index by decreasing and are divided according to the degree of "insolvency" into 11 groups:

110 <FSI <120 - causing increased anxiety;
100 <FSI <110 - causing high degree of alarm;
90 <FSI <100 - causing a certain alarm;
80 <FSI <90 - causing increased alertness;
70 <FSI <80 - causing high alertness;
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  1. RusDV
    RusDV 31 August 2014 06: 14 New
    34
    “Failed" states Washington’s plans

    Well, Somalia is so ..... about nothing .... We then understand that there are much more "Failed" ....

    Doubts scattered in the wind -
    The long-awaited order came.
    Donbass went on the offensive!
    I'm sorry for the angry Donbass ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 31 August 2014 06: 48 New
      32
      It seems to me that Europe and the United States have played so much in the game “Punish Russia” that they forgot that in fact they promised to help Ukraine. wassat
      1. Very old
        Very old 31 August 2014 07: 51 New
        +9
        Well, my friend ANDREY, and the cookies? And the mercenaries from PMCs (it seems)? And the sanctions for the Russian Federation?
        A dirty tricks on all media around the world?

        Hello, Andrey, about the meeting - in PM.
        1. Imperialkolorad
          Imperialkolorad 31 August 2014 08: 11 New
          -10
          Dear deer, let me disagree with you, but agree with Andrei — all this draws more to Russia’s scumbag than to helping the Ukrainians.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 31 August 2014 09: 41 New
            11
            Quote: ImperialKolorad
            Dear deer

            What are you doing it for? For this, they previously fought in a duel. smile
            1. WKS
              WKS 31 August 2014 12: 12 New
              0
              Quote: SRC P-15
              Quote: ImperialKolorad
              Dear deer

              What are you doing it for? For this, they previously fought in a duel. smile

              Are you kidding me? Now they will start to beat each other with laptops.
              1. Very old
                Very old 31 August 2014 14: 29 New
                +4
                No, Vladimir. On hoopoes - saw. And the wind blew
                1. Koloradovatnik
                  Koloradovatnik 31 August 2014 16: 52 New
                  +1
                  State failure refers to the issue of system failure. A sound system should allow changing outdated ideology. Moreover, a state that does not have an ideology is untenable in advance. Those. if the existence of the state does not have a clear goal, the state is untenable. But this does not mean that there should not be an alternative ideology, just the opposite. Ideology cannot but become obsolete, and if the system does not allow it to change, the state is doomed. But ideology, even if not formally prescribed, must be. And ideology itself also matters. She must be ambitious. What ideology is such a state. No ideology - write lost.
            2. Cadet787
              Cadet787 31 August 2014 12: 38 New
              11
              An attempt by the National Guard to withdraw heavy equipment from the "boiler" was suppressed
              31.08.2014 - 10: 50

              Last night, units of the DNR army thwarted an attempt by the National Guard guards to withdraw heavy equipment from the encirclement area. According to a representative of the headquarters of the Armed Forces of New Russia (BCH), the punitive tried to do this in violation of the agreements reached.
              "As a result of a fleeting battle in the area of ​​the settlement of Starobeshevo, two tanks and two infantry fighting vehicles were destroyed, six tanks with full ammunition were captured, 198 servicemen were disarmed," the media quotes a representative of the headquarters of the armed forces.
            3. Cadet787
              Cadet787 31 August 2014 12: 43 New
              14
              The commander of the punitive special battalion "Peacemaker" was destroyed
              31.08.2014 - 05: 18

              The commander of the "Peacemaker" battalion Andrei Teteruk has been liquidated in Donbass. This was reported to Espreso.TV by its own sources in the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
              Let us remind you that the volunteer formation with the beautiful name "Peacemaker" was created as a battalion of the patrol service of the special police in May this year. The battalion was supposed to ensure the protection of law and order on the territory of the Kiev region, as well as in the zone of the so-called ATO.
            4. Straus_zloy
              Straus_zloy 31 August 2014 16: 30 New
              +5
              Do not hit him, the man did not want to offend anyone. By chance, instead of "very" I read "deer", with whom it does not happen.
            5. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 31 August 2014 19: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: SRC P-15
              Quote: ImperialKolorad
              Dear deer

              What are you doing it for? For this, they previously fought in a duel. smile

              yes, it’s just that a person didn’t make out ... VERY messed up with a DEER ... what are you fed up with? Does everyone have one vision? repeat
          2. WKS
            WKS 31 August 2014 12: 06 New
            +3
            Actually, here about Somalia ...
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            2. Paradoxov
              Paradoxov 31 August 2014 15: 15 New
              +4
              Somalia, who is the governor of the island of Borneo? belay
              Where to post about sore if there is no timely / suitable topic ?;)
              And while the Sith is resting, I’ll probably post it fresh ... about the main thing! smile
              1. Paradoxov
                Paradoxov 31 August 2014 15: 51 New
                +8
                The assault on Mariupol? Do not wait!
                The theme of a week ago seems to be confirmed:
                Message from the militia headquarters: "The city of Mariupol will most likely be liberated without major hostilities."http://www.novorosinform.org/news/id/7421

                Especially since:
                benya

                The leadership of the battalion "Azov": Kolomoisky surrenders Mariupol Today, 15:31
                ... - Last night, all fighters of the Dnepr-1 battalion, which many experts call the "private army of Kolomoisky", were withdrawn from Mariupol, I do not want to humiliate the Dnepr-1 fighters in any way (...) but at the same time everyone It is known that Dnepr-1 primarily fulfills the instructions of the oligarch Kolomoisky and his court puppies Filatov and Korban, - writes Mosiychuk. Currently, the battalions Azov and Shakhtersk and a small number of internal troops remained in Mariupol. They have not yet received the promised artillery. - For the sake of establishing the truth, I contacted the foremen of the Shakhtersk and Azov battalions, who confirmed the information about the withdrawal of fighters from Mariupol. Now all Ukrainian society is witnessing the treason of the oligarch Kolomoisky, ”the representative of Azov emphasized.
                .
                Source: http://politikus.ru/
                1. Paradoxov
                  Paradoxov 31 August 2014 17: 18 New
                  +2
                  Donetsk airport taken ?!
                  On millitarimaps.info - an intense battle and already next to the "extinct" wb, the flag of New Russia flaunts with the mark NO CONFIRMATION, but three stars (out of 5) are shining!;)

                  Apparently yesterday, Jan slipped through for a reason:
                  UPD: In the next day, the situation with the airport of Donetsk and the surrounding territories may change dramatically, today some events have already happened, which I will not mention so far.


                  A very important point on the b / d map, we are waiting for confirmations! am
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                  2. Paradoxov
                    Paradoxov 31 August 2014 18: 09 New
                    +7
                    Donetsk airport taken
                    Today, 17: 21

                    Donetsk airport taken This is reported on his Facebook page by the deputy chairman of the Voroshilovsky district of Donetsk, Ivan Prikhodko. “The airport has fallen! Holiday is so holiday! All a happy miner’s day !!! ”, Ivan Prikhodko writes. Details are being specified. Yesterday, the promised surprise for the Ukrainian Armed Forces at the airport of Donetsk took place. Donetsk airport taken. The bunker is filled with water. Private Polish mercenaries surfaced and surrender. Details promised later. A message is being prepared on TV. Source: http://etoonda.livejournal.com/614294.html
                    1. fox21h
                      fox21h 31 August 2014 20: 23 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Paradoxov
                      Donetsk airport taken
                      Today, 17: 21

                      “The airport has fallen! ......

                      I hope the militia has no casualties. And so all a happy holiday!
                    2. kush62
                      kush62 1 September 2014 08: 09 New
                      0
                      Private Polish mercenaries surfaced and surrender.

                      Drowning !!!!!
            3. 23 region
              23 region 31 August 2014 15: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: wks
              Actually, here about Somalia ...

              I agree. Of particular concern was the info that Pakistan is on this mournful list. But this is a nuclear power. God forbid!
          3. faterdom
            faterdom 31 August 2014 15: 11 New
            +3
            Well, if the greatest joy of the Ukrainian was the Russian trick - so what they can do is help. Let it be considered spiritual food for the producer. It’s not necessary to bask in this case - you can replace some tantra yoga and mantras.
            It always happens: one - manti (or khinkali), the other - mantras.
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          4. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 31 August 2014 16: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: ImperialKolorad
            Dear deer, let me disagree with you, but agree with Andrei — all this draws more to Russia’s scumbag than to helping the Ukrainians.

            here is the fact, they minus Altergo-ImperialKolorad, in principle, it is not clear why, because no one will refute the fact that all this nasty thing was started not for Ukraine, but against Russia !!! so minusers minus ...
          5. I do not care
            I do not care 31 August 2014 18: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: ImperialKolorad
            and cookies? And the mercenaries from PMCs (it seems)? And the sanctions for the Russian Federation?

            result on litso
            1. fairmen
              fairmen 31 August 2014 21: 01 New
              0
              miserable sight but very instructive
          6. ya.seliwerstov2013
            ya.seliwerstov2013 31 August 2014 18: 59 New
            +1
            Imperialkolorad Yes, but literally a couple of months ago, they didn’t allow such things on the forum. Where do you come from.
          7. Vitaly72
            Vitaly72 31 August 2014 21: 57 New
            0
            You my friend just turned to the person somehow wrong! adjust
      2. Cadet787
        Cadet787 31 August 2014 12: 37 New
        +9
        NATO command does not believe in the victory of Kiev in a civil war
        31.08.2014 - 10: 56

        During a briefing at the NATO Headquarters in Mons, a forecast was voiced on the outcome of the Ukrainian crisis. According to Brigadier General Niko Taka, the war in the Donbass will end with the preservation of the territories controlled by the militias.

        As the agency Voenkor.info notes, the general said that he did not believe in the victory of Kiev in the confrontation with the militias.
        1. Straus_zloy
          Straus_zloy 31 August 2014 16: 37 New
          +5
          NATO command does not believe in the victory of Kiev in a civil war

          so after all, the hand of Moscow:
        2. kush62
          kush62 1 September 2014 08: 25 New
          0
          According to Brigadier General Niko Taka, the war in the Donbass will end with the preservation of the territories controlled by the militias.

          And freed from the Nazis of other territories.
          The rest must rise.
      3. ya.seliwerstov2013
        ya.seliwerstov2013 31 August 2014 18: 54 New
        +1
        Andrei Yuryevich, or maybe they just promised, but they didn’t intend to. The Moor did his job, the Moor can leave. smile
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 31 August 2014 09: 01 New
      +8
      Mattresses still believe that they have the right to control the world at their discretion. But recently, Russia has been breaking their plans, for example, Syria, Ukraine. And then there will be even more confrontation, the main thing is that the hot heads in the Pentagon do not unleash the third world war.
      1. WKS
        WKS 31 August 2014 12: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Giant thought
        And then there will be even more confrontation, the main thing is that the hot heads in the Pentagon do not unleash the third world war.

        There are no hot heads. In Russia, 8000 nuclear warheads are 50% of those available worldwide. It will cool any head.
    3. Cadet787
      Cadet787 31 August 2014 12: 40 New
      +8
      Punishers lost more than a company of soldiers and 20 armored vehicles overnight
      31.08.2014 - 12: 20

      According to sources in the Armed Forces of New Russia, Voenkor.info agency, the total losses of punishers in Donetsk, Mariupol and Lugansk directions per night amounted to more than 120 people killed and wounded, five tanks and 8 armored vehicles.
      In addition, the defenders of the Donbass managed to capture six enemy tanks in good condition in the form of trophies.
    4. Cadet787
      Cadet787 31 August 2014 12: 49 New
      10
      SBU dirty uniforms
      31.08.2014 - 06: 07

      After purges and mass layoffs of SBU employees by the Kiev junta, those who served under Viktor Yanukovych still remained in this structure. Not just stayed, but together with the executioners “Aydara”, “Krivbass”, “Chernigov”, “Dnipro” and other neo-Nazi battalions destroy the population of Donbass.
      It’s very difficult to serve in the SBU and remain a decent person. Power in Ukraine changes every five years. Maidans occur every ten years. You have to keep your nose in the wind, because this is a career, salary, benefits, etc. Therefore, there are many among the SBU employees who defended President Kuchma with equal zeal from Yushchenko and Maidan in 2004, then Yushchenko from Yanukovych and anti-Maidan in 2010, followed by Yanukovych from Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok and Euromaidan in 2013, and now - Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok, Poroshenko from anti-Maidan-2014 and Donbass militias.
      Agree, to make such bells and whistles, you must have a special character warehouse. You have to be a suitcase with a double bottom - both ours and yours: grab and judge Yanukovych’s supporters today, grab and judge Yanukovych’s opponents today, and grab and judge the supporters of Yanukovych’s supporters the day after tomorrow, and so on, using the rut.
      Those SBU employees who support the Kiev junta are traitors. They betrayed their colleagues, who had still not completely parted with their conscience and saw the danger that Euromaidan posed to Ukraine. They suffered for their position - they were fired and cleaned from the security organs.
      But what about some of their companions? Cowardly caved in under the Kiev junta, under the pretext that, they say, now the motherland is in danger, and this is not the time for internecine squabbles.
      So if you are so worried about your homeland, start investigating not only the Donetsk "separatists", but also the Kiev usurpers - Avakov, Turchinov, Klitschko. After all, they made an unconstitutional coup, and for the state structure responsible for the preservation of the constitutional system of the country, this should be the dominant line of work.
      You, employees of the SBU, talk about what kind of country you are, but at the same time generously forgave the Kiev junta for the illegal seizure of power. Do you know why? Because the gut is thin to institute criminal proceedings against the leaders of Euromaidan. It’s easier for you to hide behind the deceitful phrase “The order is not discussed” and to run zealously to carry out any, even the most bestial order of the Kiev junta. To be continued.
      1. Cadet787
        Cadet787 31 August 2014 12: 50 New
        +8
        Read more.
        But what about the honor of the uniform and all that? Oh yes, I forgot. This is an empty phrase for SBU employees. So, beautiful euphemism. The honor of the uniform does not prevent the SBU from being side by side with the "right-wingers" and other neo-Nazis. The honor of the uniform does not suffer, it is already soiled. But SBU officers pretend that they are heroes standing for their country.
        For shoulder straps and stars you stand, not a country. When the Americans invaded your country (by the hands of the Euromaidan leaders), you took this as the norm. And they even agreed to bend the mane, and submit to the American spy Nalyvaichenko. What kind of honor and honesty can we talk about?
        You have betrayed not only your country and your colleagues who were forced to leave the organs after the victory of Euromaidan, but also the people. The Ukrainian people are in the grip of rabid scoundrels - neo-Bandera, chauvinists and just crooks. And you do not serve the people, but them.
        This does not bother you, gentlemen, officers. Although no, the "pans-officers" - that sounds true. In the army of Petlyura there were also "pan-officers" who were sold in bulk to either the Poles or other foreign authorities.
        You, Mr. officers, have betrayed your colleagues in the Donbass. SBU of Donbass did not go about the junta, did not bow its head to Bandera. And you persuaded. Now you are angry, show agility in order to catch more “wrong” citizens who do not want to live under the junta.
        Your colleagues yesterday were persecuted for their allegiance to the oath (an oath, not a separate political figure!), And you, the officer officers, looked at it indifferently, and then completely ran over to the side of the enemy.
        SBU employees, you are satraps! You, like dogs, rush at anyone whom the regal finger of chocolate baron Petit points to. You do not bother with the concepts of “honor”, ​​“conscience”, “loyalty”, “justice”. You don’t feel sorry for either Donbass or its residents.
        Or do you want to say that the junta came to power in a democratic way? Or were there no crimes committed during her seizure of power in Kiev? Or are you blind?
        No, not blinded. You are covered. They are so embarrassed that language does not turn to call you officers. You are strangling the Bandera underground in Ukraine, you are being serviced by state criminals who have become, for some moment of history, rulers of the country.
        SBU employees, you are executioners who lick their legs overseas colonialists, and therefore in your heart they hate all those who are stronger and more honest than you. You crush the anti-war movement, you catch everyone who has found the courage to resist the Kiev junta.

        You have no honor. You have only careerism.
      2. pint45
        pint45 31 August 2014 18: 19 New
        +2
        They are sorry for them, but God is a judge, and therefore God is godly, and these Messrs., And we have enough.
      3. Vitaly72
        Vitaly72 31 August 2014 22: 11 New
        0
        yes you don’t have to be with a double bottom is enough to be Ukrainian
        1. Shaitan_by
          Shaitan_by 31 August 2014 23: 35 New
          +2
          Labeling nations, nationalities, and groups leads to hate speech.
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 31 August 2014 23: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Shaitan_by
            Labeling nations, nationalities, and groups leads to hate speech.

            And where is the kindling?
            Statement of fact, no more.
    5. Cadet787
      Cadet787 31 August 2014 12: 56 New
      10
      Four countries block new European Council sanctions
      31.08.2014 - 12: 01

      During the extraordinary summit of the European Union, four EU member states expressed their disagreement with the decision to expand the sanctions. Probably, notes "Reedus", because of this, the sanctions were not enforced by the latest decision of the European Council.

      The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Cyprus opposed new sanctions against Russia over Ukraine, according to the Financial Times
      1. WKS
        WKS 31 August 2014 13: 11 New
        +6
        Quote: Cadet787
        The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Cyprus opposed new sanctions against Russia over Ukraine

        I especially liked - Cyprus. In general, can Kaliningrad be thrust into the EU and let it block all their decisions there?
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 1 September 2014 01: 07 New
          0
          And I didn’t like that Greece is not there.
    6. Zhekson
      Zhekson 31 August 2014 13: 49 New
      15
      I would also add the concept of a debtor state. Which live in debt. And all their new generations will be debtors. It:
      1 Ireland
      External debt (% of GNP): 1267%. External debt per capita: $ 567805. Total amount of external debt: $ 2,386 trillion (for 2009 II quarter). GNP 2008: $ 188,4 billion.
      2. Switzerland External debt (% of GNP): 422,7%. External debt per capita: $ 176045. Total amount of external debt: $ 1,338 trillion (for 2009 II quarter). GNP 2008: $ 316,7 billion.
      3. Great Britain External debt (% of GNP): 408,3%. External debt per capita: $ 148702. total amount
      external debt: $ 9,087 trillion (for 2009 II quarter). GNP 2008: $ 2,226 trillion.
      4. The Netherlands External debt (% of GNP): 365%. External debt per capita: $ 146703. Total amount of external debt: $ 2,452 trillion (for 2009 II quarter). GNP 2008: $ 672 billion.
      5.Japan External debt per capita: $ 11119
      6. Singapore External debt per capita: $ 56791
      7.USA External debt per capita: $ 53170
      8. Canada External debt per capita: $ 44732

      And do not invent and rate anything. Debt per person, even just born, is simply unrealistic.
      But if you notice, these are the most "zhirnyaki" in terms of a good life and more "true carriers" of democracy!
      I wonder what future these countries will have in 50-80 years ??
      Russia is in 95th place !!! China at 102!
      1. calocha
        calocha 31 August 2014 16: 26 New
        +4
        All these artists will try to solve their problems at the expense of Russia, China and Iran! In order not to owe the easiest way to kill a creditor! In this case, China-1tr. 300mln ... but Russia interferes.
  2. Siberian
    Siberian 31 August 2014 06: 17 New
    +6
    What would that mean ?????
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 31 August 2014 06: 27 New
      +9
      Kazakhs are not farmers, just herdsmen-herders. They live where others allow. There are no settled areas as such, which means there are no borders and therefore no specific territory. Without territory there is no State. Everything is logical.
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 31 August 2014 09: 14 New
        +7
        Quote: sazhka4
        sazhka4 (2) Today, 06:27 ↑ ↓ New
        Kazakhs are not farmers, just herdsmen-herders. They live where others allow. There are no settled areas as such, which means there are no borders and therefore no specific territory. Without territory there is no State. Everything is logical.


        Well, where do ignoramuses like you come from ?! Have you ever opened a history book. Tired of arguing with people like you, no argument will help. Now I understand where so many zombies in Ukraine come from. People do not like to read history at all. Of course, why read? if you may not like it. Therefore, each country has its own globe, geography and laws of physics.
      2. andj61
        andj61 31 August 2014 09: 34 New
        +5
        Quote: sazhka4
        Kazakhs are not farmers, just herdsmen-herders. They live where others allow. There are no settled areas as such, which means there are no borders and therefore no specific territory. Without territory there is no State. Everything is logical.

        In fact, the ancient Turks - and the Kazakhs were their direct descendants - had quite a few states on the territory of modern Kazakhstan, even at a time when there was still no mention of Russia. In addition, do not think that in the Great Steppe everyone lived where he wanted, and there was enough space for everyone! All land, all pasture, watering, etc. from Altai to the Carpathians and the Danube, that is, the entire steppe zone where the Turks lived and wandered, were divided between clans, tribes and peoples, there were very strict rules of behavior in the steppe. And the observance of these rules was monitored by armed representatives of these same nomads. The apostates and violators were brutally punished. It was a kind of state, standing on the protection of established laws and customs.
        1. kyznets
          kyznets 31 August 2014 12: 15 New
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          Guys from Kazakhstan! And what state did the Kazakhs have before joining the Russian Empire? They, Kazakhs, were on the verge of destruction by the Dzungars. And their "state" only reached Balkhash in the north, where the Russian Empire began, along which they were EXACTLY ALLOWED to roam. It had a much smaller area than it is now. And yes, about many states on the territory of Kazakhstan. There were many. The states were not called Kazakh or proto-Kazakh, nor pro-Kazakh. Rather Kipchak or Turkic. But Comrade Genghis Khan nullified these states - destroyed them. Completely. Your story says that you cut everyone out! Only a few children and women remained. And it was the nomads with a tribal structure - with your ZHUZES and clans that came to replace them (states). And when there was no mention of Russia yet, there was no mention of the Kazakhs either, they were not as such. The Kazakh (the first Kazakh) state was created by the respected Nursultan Abishevich Nazarbayev. And before him, excuse me, there were others. Putin spoke about this, and did not want to offend anyone, he only stated a fact. By the way, as the Kazakhs trace their genealogy from the ancient Turks, so with the same success Russia can trace its genealogy from the more ancient Indo-Aryans. Let's measure ourselves with fishing rods, then at least competently, according to written, historical sources. And then let's get back to the dispute who was Adam by nationality - Ukrainian or Kazakh?
          1. KG_patriot_last
            KG_patriot_last 31 August 2014 13: 07 New
            +6
            I’ll say for the nomads - the Mongols were also nomads and had their own state, and some more. The same goes for the Kyrgyz. For example, the Khakasses and Kyrgyz are a single people as far back as 3-4 centuries ago. And the habitat (and, accordingly, the protection of the territories) was huge.
            A nomad does not mean that it is landless. It's just that the land for nomads is common (well, or royal (khan)), inside a certain territory we could roam freely and defended these lands as ours. So the territory and state of the nomads is normal. This does not mean that the capitalists could take away the land, build a house and say that now it is their land, because the owner has temporarily gone to his other lands.

            Another thing that Putin said about the Kazakhs, and not about any nomads. The fact that the Kazakhs as a people consisted of different tribes, clans, and even ethnically different peoples and previously did not have a single statehood is true. But this is normal - nations are forming, nations are disappearing - this is a process of history. And the fact that the territory of present-day Kazakhstan was previously owned by different peoples, different peoples roamed along it, too. But now all this territory has united under one country. And this is also normal.

            So Putin is right - but there are reservations. The Kazakh Khanate at the time of the advent of Soviet power already existed. But it was a fragment of the Mongol empire torn by civil war ... So well done that the Kazakhs were able to build a single country and after the 1991 year they did not embark on separatism again ... But the risk of Ukrainization is very great - half-Uzbeks, Karakalpaks, Uyghurs, Russians, Kipchaks , Naiman, Kyrgyz (who were assimilated completely over 100 years due to similarity) - this is reality.
            1. AstanaKZ
              AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 14: 55 New
              -13
              It’s just that your radiant sneezed without hiding and the snot hit a neighbor in borsch! Well, nothing he knows better THE SAME PUTIN!
            2. nikcris
              nikcris 1 September 2014 01: 27 New
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              1 There was no Mongol empire. Today the Mongols, with fertility, God grant 3 million. Do you think they died out of mammoths?
              2 Kazakh unified khanate never existed.
              3 I agree with the fact that it is normal for different nations to unite and live in one country.
              4 I left Kazakhstan, selling everything except a car for nothing because the Kazakh people rushed into Ukrainization (Kazakhization). The Kazakhs did not want it to be like in the third paragraph. Well then, wait, we'll see.
              1. Max_Bauder
                Max_Bauder 1 September 2014 11: 56 New
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                Quote: nikcris
                I left Kazakhstan, selling everything except a car for nothing because the Kazakh people rushed to Ukrainization (Kazakhization).


                just say that you hate Kazakhs and not p ... write about the story.
          2. AstanaKZ
            AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 14: 58 New
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            And we are not offended! It's time to run up to you has your own story; we have our own!
            1. lord
              lord 31 August 2014 21: 41 New
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              No, well, what's wrong he said ??? If he is wrong, and you are right, then tell me, my dear, when in history, besides modern times, there was a state with the name "Kazakhstan"? The fact that OTHER states with OTHER names once existed in the place of present-day Kazakhstan does not mean that the president told a lie.
            2. Vitaly72
              Vitaly72 31 August 2014 22: 27 New
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              and where will you run radiant?
          3. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 31 August 2014 22: 47 New
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            Quote: kyznets
            Ischo One Wise Hero wink I ran far away, already in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, a permissive half-educated ..
          4. lonovila
            lonovila 1 September 2014 02: 46 New
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            -Yes, talking about some Kazakh state is nonsense ...
            -Yes, there were no Kazakhs as such a little more than a hundred years ago ... -There was a scattered steppe nomadic crooked-legged mixed-tribal Mongoloid "cattle breeding", which is at the lowest level of development ... -No writing, architecture, medicine, or scientific potential, nor any rudiment of statehood ... -And this whole "society" was quite disunited ... -There was no unity in it ... -On the contrary ... -there are always some tribes of this "society" themselves oppressed and destroyed their own tribesmen, who were not so numerous ... -
            - And they had a common name - Kyrgyz ...
            -An almost dead-end branch of development ... -No progress ...
            - And this is how some tribes exterminated and drove out their distant relatives ... - some to the north, some to the east, and so on ... - Here, to an example - and the Evenks were also once quite numerous and wandered in the steppes ... -And then more numerous "relatives" drove them to the north and they became reindeer herders and very few inhabitants of the taiga ... -The same sad fate and the Uighurs ... -And those steppe "winners" (who drove out and annexed), in in turn, the Uzbeks were also supplanted (then they were called -Bukharians, Khorezmians, etc.), ... -they, at least then, already built cities, flourished with might and main, had a written language, educational institutions, had "statehood", a common ruler (emir) etc...
            -That continued during the 14-17 centuries of our era ...
            -And no one cared about the Kyrgyz ... -Simply, when some of the more civilized Asian peoples (the same Uzbeks) suddenly needed a "piece of steppe" for something, then ...- they simply destroyed or expelled the Kyrgyz from this section of the steppe ...
            -And the fate of the Kyrgyz would be absolutely deplorable, but then the strengthened Russian Empire and "said its weighty word" ... -And when the Kyrgyz fell under the protectorate of the Russian Empire, a new safe "golden age" began for them ... -Their practically no one could "touch", destroy, conquer and expel ...
            -Even, the same Uzbeks (Khorezmians, Bukharians) could no longer oppress the Kyrgyz ... -they themselves fell under the protectorate of Russia ... -This is in this "safe environment" and began the division of "Mongol-Turks" (Kyrgyz) into Kazakhs, Karakolpaks, Kirghiz, Uzbeks and so on ...
            -That's the whole "great history" of the Kazakhs ... -I apologize for the somewhat succinct and superficial presentation .., but just the format of the site does not allow a more detailed "deepening" into the history ... -The essence is important ...
            1. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 1 September 2014 20: 57 New
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              Quote: lonovila
              -Here, for example -and the Evenks were once quite numerous and roamed in the steppes ... -And then more numerous "relatives" drove them to the north and they became reindeer breeders and very few inhabitants of the taiga ...
              And then they were "civilized" by the "White Sahibs" ..
              Quote: lonovila
              It's just that when some of the more civilized Asian peoples (the same Uzbeks) suddenly needed a "piece of the steppe" for something, then ... they simply destroyed or expelled the Kyrgyz from this section of the steppe ...
              Quite the opposite. Civilized Central Asia, for a long period of time, was under the constant, permanent threat of the steppe.
              The same you mentioned, dropout, Uzbeks come from the Kazakh steppes. An analogue in history, for example France - German Franks, conquered the Gauls.
              By the way, initially, the Kazakhs - wore the name Ozbek (Uzbek-Kazakhs). And the Kazakhs have a characteristic proverb - бекзбек өз ағам, sart sadғam. Uzbek is my brother, Sart (Central Asian) is my victim.
              Quote: lonovila
              - Almost no one could "touch", destroy, conquer and expel them ...
              Well, yes .. The Russian Empire left this prerogative, only to itself ..
              Quote: lonovila
              I apologize for the somewhat concise and superficial presentation .., but the format of the site does not allow for a more detailed "deepening" of history ..
              The format of your brains, in principle, does not allow .. repeat
          5. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 1 September 2014 11: 54 New
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            Quote: kyznets
            And what state did the Kazakhs have before joining the Russian Empire? They, Kazakhs, were on the verge of destruction by the Dzungars. And their "state" only reached Balkhash in the north, where the Russian Empire began, along which they were EXACTLY ALLOWED to roam.


            Are you out of your mind? did the chauvinist tell you about this?

            and why do you believe that there were jungars (which of course were) but which are not there now, but do not believe that there were Kazakhs who are now? Don't you think something is clean? Russian history (I’m not offended) was rewritten by Russians to show how worthless we were. In fact, a people disappears if it does not develop. Like Maya, like Sumer and Akkad, like the same dzhungars. And we were and lived. And the fact that there is no Kazakh name. So after all, there were no Germans at the end of the 19th century, just almost a hundred years ago Bismarck united the Saxons, Bavarians, Württemberg, and other peoples (plmenen ?!) into one nation and nothing, language, culture is common. Also with us, no matter who lived here, they were all our ancestors, we did not come as Turks to Asia Minor during the Byzantine era in the 15th century.

            If I do not understand, I’ll tell in more detail.

            When the Golden Horde broke up, states and khanates appeared (read not my words the sources of the Persians of the Chinese, anyone, thank God someone wrote about this, otherwise the researchers would not have known), the Siberian, Kazan, Astrakhan, Crimean, White Horde and the Blue Horde.
            By the names you can understand where they were, the blue horde is western Kazakhstan, in other words the Nogai horde, the White horde is the whole of northern and central Kazakhstan. Below the Balkhash was the state of Mogulistan, and even lower than the Maverinnahr, the empire of Timur ....

            to be continued
          6. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 1 September 2014 11: 55 New
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            continuation.

            So, Kazakhs are the collective name of the tribes that separated from the state of Ozbek (not Uzbeks, Uzbeks live in the Timur empire in the Mavernakhr where Uzbekistan is located, they do not speak their language anywhere else), and Ozbek separated himself from the White Horde when it broke up.

            The Kazakhs came to the lands of Semirechye where Mogulistan was, they conquered it, then other tribes from the disintegrated state of Ozbek came to the Kazakhs, and so on they conquered and the Nogai horde later became ours, the Russians called the Bukeev horde, and part of Timur’s territory was taken away, therefore in Tashkent you can see the graves of Kazakh khans because it was the capital. and this whole country was called the Kazakh Khanate. While we conquered, it is right to say, all the tribes speaking the same language and professing the same faith, culture under the wing of one whole state, Ivan the Terrible joined (for these peoples are not Slavs) Crimean, Siberian, Kazan, Astrakhan khanates in the nascent Russian empire. It was the 16-17th century. Further on the land of Mongolia, Altai and sowing China, was the Dzungarian state. Dzun gar - in Mongolian means the left wing, that is, the east. The western part of Mongolia was in decline. Kalmyks, by the way, are part of the Mongol tribes.

            Because of the similarity of the nomadic way of life, there was a war for land to exterminate. But by a happy fate, after many bloody wars, which lasted a couple of centuries, China (already united under the Manchus) destroyed the Dzungar, and united the territory to itself. At that time, almost an hour of Kazakhs was under the tutelage of Russia, they became subjects, and China was afraid to clash with Russia. So the Russians at the end of the 19th century annexed not only the remaining part of the Kazakhs but also the Khanates of Kokand, Khiva and Bukhara, who were the remnants of the Timur empire, there lived Kyrgyz and Uzbeks and Turkmens, and even part of the Tajiks, and this is generally the Persians one of their tribes for a part lived under the Persians.

            What follows from all this? What if we consider all the territories Russian conquered, then yes, I do not deny that they conquered them first in the 18th century, diligently in the 19th, but did the Slavs Russian live there? NO! I’ll say for my country, the Kazakhs lived and live not only on the territory of Kazakhstan, but also in Russia itself, and it’s not the Chinese who live in the millions and create tea houses, and the land is suitable for cattle breeding and not agriculture. And if we talk about other peoples in Russia, they also live there for centuries, the Slavs came to them with the Cossacks of Ermak. All these Khakasses, Tuvans, Yakuts, Burt, Nenets, Chuvash and others.

            PySy. All nations are divided into tribes, differently small nations, French Bretons, Shampans and so on, Spaniards into Basques, Castilians, Barcelona, ​​and also Caucasians where a lot of peoples live. Few people manage to unite and create a single state. We have created and are proud of it, in which part of Kazakhstan or southern Russia you would not go, you will see only faces, language and culture everywhere because we are one nation that has lived here from time immemorial and defended these boundless nomadic steppes.
      3. WKS
        WKS 31 August 2014 12: 21 New
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        Quote: sazhka4
        Kazakhs are not farmers, just herdsmen-herders. They live where others allow. There are no settled areas as such, which means there are no borders and therefore no specific territory. Without territory there is no State. Everything is logical.

        Now it is, but it was not. Is that logical too?
      4. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 31 August 2014 22: 45 New
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        Quote: sazhka4
        .. means there are no borders and therefore there is no specific territory. Without territory there is no State. Everything is logical.
        Here are how many idiots on "VO" ..laughingthat you’re not even surprised anymore ..
        Here is the statement of Modeshanyuya, the head of the state of typical nomads: “Earth is the basis of the state, how can you give it away!”
        The legend of a piece of land
        When Mode came to power, he decided to restore the former power of the Great Horde of the Huns. The state of Dun Hu was a strong opponent of the Huns. Considering that, having eliminated his father, Mode came to the imperial throne illegally, they decided to take advantage of this.
        The ruler sent his ambassador to the young leader of the Great Horde. He conveyed his words:
        “Fashion is still too young a shanyu.” It does not suit him to sit on the warhorse of his father. Let him better give him to me.
        This was an open insult to the young Shanyu, as they claimed to be a royal horse, one of the best horses that could overcome a thousand li in a day.
        Fashion gathered around himself the most distinguished and wise people of the country and began to consult what he should do. The advisers said so to him:
        “The thousand-mile argamak is a relic of the Huns, so this horse should not be surrendered.”
        To this, Mode responded to them:
        “Are we going to fight over one horse?” Better he be the key to our friendship with our neighbors.
        And Mode gave a swift horse, inherited from his father.
        People from the country of Dun Hu knew that Mode, giving up his horse, was very angry. Nevertheless, they again sent a messenger to the Huns and asked for a gift to their ruler, one of the most beautiful and beloved wives of the leader of the Huns. This was to greatly hurt the pride of the great ruler and become a cause for war.
        Fashion once again gathers for advice the best of his best soveinmki. Advisers indignant at the request say:
        - These neighbors are completely insolent. Now they ask a woman. We must fight with them!
        After listening to them, Mode made this decision:
        “Both the horse and the wife are the mercy of my people.” Once my brother turned his eyes to his wife, then let her go to him. Someday the time will come that will drain her tears.
        And the wife was sent to the restless ruler ...
        Feeling his impunity, the ruler collects his troops and moves west, to the very borders with the Huns.
        Between the Horde of the Huns and the country of Dun Hu lay a piece of desert land, it did not grow grass, there was no water. Since ancient times, no one has lived on this earth, but its area spread over about a thousand li. It was here that the border between empires passed.
        The ruler again sends an ambassador to Fashion:
        - Between us lies the land we do not need. Our and your guards are on either side of her. Huns, you are never on this earth. We want to take it from you.
        This time, Fashion also gathered advisers and asked them what to do. Some answered his question like this:
        - This dump land can be given, it can not be given. Anyway, she was of no use.
        And then Mode exploded:
        “I fulfilled two conditions of the ruler, since both the horse and my wife were mine.” But the land, whatever it may be, belongs to the people! We should not even doubt whether to give it away or not. She is the basis of our state. How can we give it to others?
        He ordered the execution of those who offered to give the land, and he himself led the army went on a campaign against the enemies.
        From this time the war between the Huns and the country of Dun Hu began. In this war, Mode defeated the enemy army and inflicted heavy damage on them.

    2. Evil Pole
      Evil Pole 31 August 2014 06: 31 New
      +6
      Quote: SIBERIAN
      What would that mean ?????

      And what is actually incomprehensible to you? The correct conclusion is the GDP.
    3. vlad-58
      vlad-58 31 August 2014 08: 10 New
      +3
      and this is what the "clown" Zhirinovsky was talking about ... five years ago - Russia's allies - not in the West, but in the East, in Asia ...

      there was such a talk show about 10 years ago, with a schuster — he invited Zhirinovsky, and the Ukrainians, including tyagnibok, Poroshenko, there was still all shukhobot ...
      Zhirik said - the deadline for you with such thoughts and such a policy - so until the 18th ... then - goodbye Ukraine! they, the pepper is clear, smirked so all-knowingly, ironically even ...
      Zhirik was mistaken for three years ... oh, you, a shitty prophet of you ... although you’ve got the essence!

      Waltzman began talking about the "point of no return" in relations with Russia; so it has already been passed, as with Chechnya: yes, they made peace - at the level of presidents, state officials ... but the people are not forgiven, and on occasion in Russia they are "offended", sometimes deadly ...
      Ukraine is waiting for the same, and most importantly - Ukrainians! Ukrainians guys, do not be called like that! redo passports ...
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 31 August 2014 08: 30 New
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        Quote: vlad-58
        Waltzman began to talk about the "point of no return" in relations with Russia

        Who and where that Waltzman was 5-6 years ago, and that he "will appear" was known both overseas and in Russia by some.
        But they didn’t do anything ...



        Please note that Petrov, Konstantin Pavlovich died more than five years ago ...

        Shl. Note that Ferguson was also mentioned ...
        1. cat hippopotamus
          cat hippopotamus 31 August 2014 09: 55 New
          +5
          Yes, General Petrov, you prophesied the truth.
      2. equity
        equity 31 August 2014 11: 28 New
        +5
        vlad-58
        quote: "Waltzman began to talk about the" point of no return "in relations with Russia; it has already been passed, as with Chechnya: yes, we have reconciled - at the level of presidents, state officials ..."

        Well, you surprised me, I didn’t understand, do you have any complaints about the Chechen people or something, which ones are interesting to me?

        quote: "but the people are not forgiven, and on occasion in Russia they are" offended ", sometimes fatally ..."

        what kind of forgiveness are you still talking about, is it as if we are to blame for something in front of you or something, but what is interesting? you know, if you have such thoughts, then I put ... on these very thoughts of yours and on you, and also, in Russia there are cases of many offending different people, let’s say, and Russians also offend Russians (deadly), let no one offend me who will not try! in general, your frank hatred and arrogance just rolls over and surprises, you see you drank an extra glass, or someone who did not offend you is deadly!
      3. kergudu straight
        kergudu straight 31 August 2014 11: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: vlad-58
        and this is what the "clown" Zhirinovsky was talking about ... five years ago - Russia's allies - not in the West, but in the East, in Asia ...

        there was such a talk show about 10 years ago, with a schuster — he invited Zhirinovsky, and the Ukrainians, including tyagnibok, Poroshenko, there was still all shukhobot ...
        Zhirik said - the deadline for you with such thoughts and such a policy - so until the 18th ... then - goodbye Ukraine! they, the pepper is clear, smirked so all-knowingly, ironically even ...
        Zhirik was mistaken for three years ... oh, you, a shitty prophet of you ... although you’ve got the essence!

        Waltzman began talking about the "point of no return" in relations with Russia; so it has already been passed, as with Chechnya: yes, they made peace - at the level of presidents, state officials ... but the people are not forgiven, and on occasion in Russia they are "offended", sometimes deadly ...
        Ukraine is waiting for the same, and most importantly - Ukrainians! Ukrainians guys, do not be called like that! redo passports ...

        What Zhirinovsky said earlier, in the 90s, almost everything came true, only with boots in the Indian Ocean I got through, although I don’t make a mistake knowing how to know
    4. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 31 August 2014 09: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: SIBERIAN
      What would that mean ?????


      I’m not offended, he’s not from evil.
      1. AstanaKZ
        AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 10: 26 New
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        After such statements from the first person of the Russian Federation, Nazarbayev N.A. 30.08.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX in an interview with the national television channel Khabar spoke about the possible withdrawal of Kazakhstan from the Eurasian Union! Here's a visual aid on how to lose the last allies for the sake of a red word in front of the Seliger licking!
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          3. lord
            lord 31 August 2014 21: 48 New
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            Maybe already enough troll? They explained everything to you a long time ago!
        2. KBR109
          KBR109 31 August 2014 12: 14 New
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          I agree. Being head over heels in the same conflict to quarrel with one of his two reliable allies ... With the prospect of getting him into the enemy ... It's stupid. Why was it necessary to fence this garden with the creation of the vehicle ?! It just becomes uncomfortable ... Or is it the beginning of "bronzing"?
          1. KBR109
            KBR109 31 August 2014 13: 38 New
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            Let’s immediately quarrel with Belarus. We’ll sit and rejoice: all around the enemies but the Russians don’t give up ... Let the authorities then honestly admit: -Creating a vehicle was a mistake.
        3. WKS
          WKS 31 August 2014 12: 39 New
          +3
          And you would not give a reference to this statement. Or is it you who wishful thinking? After all, Putin did not say anything offensive or composed anything. Kazakhs until 1991 did not have a state.
          1. AstanaKZ
            AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 14: 51 New
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            It’s a pity Vladimir that in 2015. not you congratulate me on the 550th of Kazakh statehood 1465-1847gg.!
    5. 1536
      1536 31 August 2014 13: 45 New
      +5
      Well, already "the province has gone to write." On "Echo" they picked up the words of VVP and accused him of almost racism. They say that Nazarbayev is ready to withdraw from the Eurasian Union. repeat The Americans have obviously thrown about twenty millions into the local "elite" and are now preparing for the Kazakh "Maidan". I wonder what they will call him? I don't know the Kazakh language, but it's easy to read it, they haven't canceled the Cyrillic alphabet yet. The CIA is already in full swing searching for recipes for kumis, and the State Department is preparing for its spilling. Psaki urgently needs to send a map of Kazakhstan, otherwise it will "wash" it with the Pacific Ocean, send nuclear Russian submarines there, what will we do then? And the summary is this: they carry water to the offended.
      1. 23 region
        23 region 31 August 2014 15: 56 New
        0
        Quote: 1536
        The Americans have obviously thrown about twenty millions into the local "elite" and are now preparing for the Kazakh "Maidan". I wonder what they will call him? I don't know the Kazakh language, but it's easy to read it, they haven't canceled the Cyrillic alphabet yet. The CIA is already in full swing searching for recipes for kumis, and the State Department is preparing for its spilling. Psaki urgently needs to send a map of Kazakhstan, otherwise it will "wash" it with the Pacific Ocean, send nuclear Russian submarines there, what will we do then? And the summary is this: they carry water to the offended.

        Ready. Kazakhs, do not oversleep!
        The enemy does not sleep.
    6. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 31 August 2014 14: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: SIBERIAN
      What would that mean ?????

      A compliment to Nazarbayev.
      1. AstanaKZ
        AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 15: 12 New
        -1
        Is Nazarbayev not Kazakh?
        1. andj61
          andj61 31 August 2014 18: 23 New
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          Quote: AstanaKZ
          Is Nazarbayev not Kazakh?


          Putin just complimented a deeply respected man - and nothing more!
          Of course, both the Turks - the ancestors of the Kazakhs, and the Kazakhs themselves clearly had states, and cities, as well as an association of nomads, characterized by a common language; territory; customary laws in force in this territory; a vertically structured force to maintain order in this territory (the power of the king-khan), religion, in the end - what if it is not a state? Lack of taxes and state machinery? The presence of the aristocracy - the bais - makes the absence of a vertical state apparatus not critical; an eastern state with a feudal system is formed. Taxes are the amount of land used, as well as the troops exhibited from these lands.
          Of course, this is not a state of a settled people, and, moreover, not a state of a European type.
          But Nazarbayev, of course, is Kazakh and, in my opinion, the best representative of his people.
          But he is still the last - I am not afraid of this word - an outstanding politician of the departed Soviet Union. If Nazarbayev, Aliyev and Romanov had been at the time the leadership of the USSR instead of Gorbachev, Shevarnadze and Gromyko (I really respect Andrei Andreyevich, but Gorbachev's support is a clear mistake!) - I’m sure we would still live in a single country.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 31 August 2014 18: 50 New
            +9
            I don't understand what the dispute is. I saw this interview myself. VVP praised NAS and Kazakhstan. I remember the next young man who asked a question, said literally the following before asking his own. "Respect to Kazakhstan!"
            The Siberian asks the question: "What would that mean?" I meant statehood. Someone at that time recognized her, but some did not. Now what? Shall we stir up the past?
            "THERE IS NOTHING FURTHER THAN YESTERDAY AND THERE IS NOTHING CLOSER THAN TOMORROW." hi
            1. andj61
              andj61 31 August 2014 19: 45 New
              +3
              Indeed, the argument is about nothing! Taking advantage of the question, Putin very respectfully spoke about the President of Kazakhstan - and nothing more. Moreover, in my opinion, one of the highest officials of Kazakhstan expressed himself in the sense that Kazakhs did not have statehood, and we have built a state over the past time.
              Actually, of course, this is wrong. As a state of even a new time, Kazakhstan appeared 70 years earlier.
              Kazakh USSR - Originally formed as the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic as part of the RSFSR on August 26, 1920, with its capital in Orenburg; it was renamed in April 1925 to the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (note - not the “Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic”, but the “Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic”). In February 1925, the Orenburg region was withdrawn from the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and transferred to the RSFSR, and the capital was moved to Kzyl-Orda (1925), then to Alma-Ata (1929). As a result of the national-state demarcation of Central Asia in 1924-1925. all Kazakh lands are united. Then the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was renamed the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. In March 1930, Karakalpakia was separated from it, later transferred to the Uzbek SSR. On December 5, 1936, the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was given the status of a union republic with the name Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic.

              Soviet state building must not be forgotten either!
  3. Revolver
    Revolver 31 August 2014 06: 24 New
    11
    this category includes Somalia (113.9 points out of 120), Democratic Republic of the Congo (111.9), Sudan (111.0), South Sudan (110.6), Chad (109.0), Yemen (107.0), Afghanistan (106.7), Haiti (105.8), Central African Republic (105.3), Zimbabwe (105.2), Iraq (103.9), Côte d'Ivoire (103.5), Pakistan (102.9), Guinea (101.3), Guinea-Bissau (101.1), Nigeria (100.7) [8].

    And into this "community" of Arab Muslims and blacks No. no not like this - African Americans again wrong, they have nothing to do with America, stop how to name them politically correct request, okay, let it be black - Ukraine is actively striving to join this unenviable company. A dubious "achievement" is to be the first failed state of white people.
    1. RusDV
      RusDV 31 August 2014 06: 37 New
      0
      Plus smile complete and accurate ....
    2. a52333
      a52333 31 August 2014 10: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      Pakistan (102.9)

      Fuck with him, with Somalia
      But the presence of a country with nuclear weapons on this list is annoying.
      1. RusDV
        RusDV 31 August 2014 11: 00 New
        0
        Quote: a52333
        Quote: Nagan
        Pakistan (102.9)

        Fuck with him, with Somalia
        But the presence of a country with nuclear weapons on this list is annoying.

        There is little. But if we consider it (the country) as a disputed territory between India and China, and nuclear weapons are not particularly taken into account in the same way as these countries do (well, they don’t care about Pakistan's nuclear weapons, the only thing that stops them is the states), it may “pull with beer " smile
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 31 August 2014 19: 27 New
        0
        Quote: a52333
        But the presence of a country with nuclear weapons on this list is annoying.

        While the packs themselves control their vigorous missiles, let this strain the turkeys. Now, if Pakistan, as a state, collapses, then these missiles may well fall into the hands of some thread of a conditional caliphate, and this option is really annoying.
        Of course, their missiles are not very long-range, but they are also small in size, it is not a problem to cram such a "gift" together with the launcher into a seemingly peaceful dry cargo ship, if you do not bother with the fact that the rocket will burn this ship at the start. And here comes this rusty galosh with a crew drooling in impatience to find the promised virgins, under the flag of some thread of Liberia to any coast of America ... Or Europe ... And so that you do not rejoice at such a prospect, she can go to St. Petersburg , well, or to Tallinn, and from there it will fly to Moscow.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 31 August 2014 06: 34 New
    +3
    It is impossible to "put" statehood from the outside. The state is an entity that arises from the internal need to protect its citizens and its territory from external threats. There is no way striped-eared animals will be able to build something intelligent in a country like Somalia. So far they have only managed to destroy.
    1. WKS
      WKS 31 August 2014 12: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It is impossible to "put" statehood from the outside. The state is an entity that arises from the internal need to protect its citizens and its territory from external threats. There is no way striped-eared animals will be able to build something intelligent in a country like Somalia. So far they have only managed to destroy.

      But how then do you explain the formation of states in the territories of most Union republics, because all their statehood is from outside, from Moscow?
  5. andrei332809
    andrei332809 31 August 2014 06: 35 New
    +2
    I know one thing that failed, although there were all conditions for normal development ...
    and anecdotes from the censor - "state of Ukraine", "Ukrainian economy", "Prime Minister of Ukraine"
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 31 August 2014 07: 01 New
      +3
      I absolutely agree with you. Today, Ukraine can be safely called a failed state. And it doesn’t matter what flags the premieres sit under.
      I noticed that the more aggressive and decadent the country, the more EU flags, although they still have no relation to the EU (Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine and further on the list).
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  7. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 31 August 2014 06: 56 New
    +3
    The Americans boast of their democratic values, which forcibly offer everyone where they invade under the guise of protecting them, but in reality they turn out to be worse than robbers from the highway, pump out all natural resources from countries, while destroying the population that does not agree with this.
    1. WKS
      WKS 31 August 2014 13: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      The Americans boast of their democratic values, which forcibly offer everyone where they invade under the guise of protecting them, but in reality they turn out to be worse than robbers from the highway, pump out all natural resources from countries, while destroying the population that does not agree with this.

      There are no values ​​there except the dollar. Green will collapse, and all democratic values ​​will be buried with it.
      All so-called democratic values ​​are mechanisms to fool the electorate. As long as the average person has the opportunity to use free credit and eat unlimited quantities of hamburgers, he will welcome these values. These values ​​were borrowed from the population of the rest of the world who have some dollars in their pocket for a rainy day, including ours.
  8. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 31 August 2014 07: 11 New
    +2
    Everything said in the article is nothing more than an attempt to justify the international robbery perpetrated by the United States and its allies, and the roots of the same piracy in Somalia must be sought in Europe and the United States! Look for "who benefits" and where the money goes from the ransoms for the ships, as one character used to say: ... how not to disguise, but money always leaves a trace ... "! And all the division into strong and weak, poor and rich is just that the same Anglo-Saxon colonial policy, only in a new way and with such a "smoke screen"!
  9. vlad-58
    vlad-58 31 August 2014 08: 00 New
    +6
    an article is a plus, of course, but - ... scientific, far-fetched classification, analysis of the situation in the country (any!) according to artificial, drawn ... well, of course - criteria; the whole thing is to justify aggression and legitimize the robbery of all "failed" countries ... verbiage, in a word! like Raikin's - the learned tail of a lizard tore off, and it grew from her ... and so ten times in a row ... well, why are you doing nonsense ?! ...
    or in a new way: - ... British scientists established ... found out ... discovered ... further - like Raikin’s.
    the article can be perceived only as a technology for dusting the brains of public opinion (and it's easier to spit on it ...), or irony about "British scientists" ... you can American ... European ...
  10. Loner_53
    Loner_53 31 August 2014 08: 28 New
    0
    Something is all stretched in the article. But the analytics of the USA and Lendana always ends with someone sucks. No.
  11. koshh
    koshh 31 August 2014 08: 40 New
    +2
    In Somalia, the Americans will face China in the struggle for energy. China has already bought up Somali oil companies.
  12. koshh
    koshh 31 August 2014 08: 40 New
    +1
    In Somalia, the Americans will face China in the struggle for energy. China has already bought up Somali oil companies.
  13. Lock
    Lock 31 August 2014 08: 40 New
    +1
    So we were "counted", or rather told how to "count" and get a "failed" or already "bankrupt" state. And, of course, we must be helped by the "kind, courageous, honest and strong" camp up to coercion by force. Guess which one.
  14. Roman 11
    Roman 11 31 August 2014 09: 01 New
    0
    "Failed" states in the plans of Washington - As a failed world for the imperialists.
  15. uzer 13
    uzer 13 31 August 2014 09: 21 New
    +2
    We say Somalia, we mean Ukraine. It is not without that. First, you need to grow a convenient puppet regime with American money, and then you can call this territory anything you like and adjust it to any index, there will be no objection.
  16. Federal
    Federal 31 August 2014 09: 24 New
    +5
    On the whole, the example of Somalia indicates that the “failed states”, which for one reason or another are in Washington’s interests, are preparing for the future to become new targets of “preventive interventions” and options adapted to local conditions for shifting the regimes existing there.

    All the poor fellows can’t calm down, and now they want to get to the Papuans again, under the guise of fighting piracy, they just won’t get in there, apparently the smell of oil and gas appeared on the horizon.
    In addition, a number of territories do not actually have any centralized authority whatsoever and are controlled by the heads of local tribes, as well as by pirate clans.
  17. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 31 August 2014 10: 28 New
    +3
    Well, with Avrika and Somalia, everything is clear, as with Iraq and Libya. The United States has only one concept, where hydrocarbons are located, there is no order with the "democracy" which the United States urgently imposes. Although in the center of Europe, the same example and the first swallow of Yugoslavia there are other reasons, there are no hydrocarbons, but there are serious geopolitical interests of the US State Department. But with Ukraine, it has long occupied the "minds" of hawks from the US capitol and the US State Department. Even during the presidency of Bush the elder, the ghoul and Slav-hater Brzezinski, being an adviser to the White House, expressed such an idea. (I'm afraid that I will not voice it literally, but the meaning is so)
    If Russia and Ukraine form a new union, then the US monopoly as a world power will come to an end. This cannot be allowed, or better yet, they are pushed into a military confrontation. Then these two fraternal peoples will quarrel for centuries and we will observe how the two Slavic peoples destroy each other. After reading this I laughed with sorcasm, and thought that you would not wait for us to fight among the Slavs. God, how wrong I was!
    Leaving Ukraine from the USSR, there was a self-sufficient industrialized republic with a standard of living higher than in other former republics. And what have they brought her to these 23 years? And here it is worth noting that the US people had a hand in hand, strictly following the plan, they moved Ukraine away from Russia. Look at all those presidents under control, what policies they led and where they came to. They grew up home-grown Bandera fascism, honoring SS veterans Galitchina. Rewriting the results of history, distorting the facts of the famine of the 30s and anti-Russian hysteria. As a result, we have what we have. And everything went to that, only that gopota who wished good to Ukraine deftly hung on the strings of a puppeteer from the USA who deftly used Ukraine against Russia. At the same time, while still straining the entire geyropu, which began to move away from US influence. So with them from the State Department everything is clear, this eternal and evil destroy and rob.
  18. tomcat117
    tomcat117 31 August 2014 10: 29 New
    +1
    "Weak states" - licking legs and reptiles in front of the strong.

    “States that are degrading or fail to cope with their functions” (failing states)- Lost their identity, surrendering to all those who possess them.

    Failed states- "UKROPIA"
  19. Bora
    Bora 31 August 2014 11: 01 New
    +5

    Users of the social network Twitter created the hashtag #StopNATO to express a negative attitude towards the actions of the North Atlantic Alliance. This is due to the holding of the NATO summit on September 4-5 in British Wales. Netizens also oppose the alliance’s support for the Ukrainian government’s power operation in Donbass.
    31.08.2014, 10: 45



    Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/47795#ixzz3Bx0RufWI
  20. HolyRus
    HolyRus 31 August 2014 11: 10 New
    +1
    NATO is afraid of us
  21. Bora
    Bora 31 August 2014 11: 33 New
    12
    Something like this is more acceptable.
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 31 August 2014 12: 11 New
      0
      By the way, a cool pattern for a barbecue lady! In the center is a huge sausage .... There is a bacon on the sides, but the main thing is an aspen hilt ...
  22. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 31 August 2014 11: 44 New
    +1
    Yes, the USA, the geyropa did not leave a single place, not a single state and people on our planet, so as not to harm it: everywhere they fought wars, quarrels between nations, races, faiths. For this, created by the Anglo-Saxons and NATO. At the same time, riots, dissatisfaction of citizens with the policies of rulers, racial hostility between religions take place in the US geyropa itself. The only thing that saves us, Russia, is nuclear deterrence and the unusual behavior of Russians during the wars. We have no real friends from among other states, and therefore hope is only for the army and navy.
  23. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 31 August 2014 12: 09 New
    +3
    Well bl ...! All did not take place! Some States have taken place ... The whole company is "out of step", one warrant officer "in step"!
  24. Iskander 090
    Iskander 090 31 August 2014 12: 36 New
    +1
    all evil in the usa
  25. Rigla
    Rigla 31 August 2014 13: 26 New
    0
    As for the Kazakhs and Kazakhstan, it means ... I respect their leader and people and respect the country hi BUT! You have to be realistic and think about your children, parents and your people in general, except about national pride. And the reality is that OUTSIDE Russia, Kazakhstan and Kazakhs have NO future, sooner or later they will be captured by China or the Islamists, or a civil war will be fired (known by anyone), in general, only as part of Russia. This also applies to other countries, such as the countries of Central Asia.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 31 August 2014 13: 45 New
      -1
      Yeah. So let's capture Kazakhstan ourselves. So that strangers do not get it. So what? Have I made a mistake following your logic? All this is very, very out of time.
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 31 August 2014 22: 21 New
        0
        Quote: KBR109
        Yeah. So let's capture Kazakhstan ourselves.

        I understand the site is so belligerent, and it is attributed to everyone. In my opinion, a person simply warns, invites our allies. Although the composition of course cool, enough in the union.
  26. Tsar Simeon
    Tsar Simeon 31 August 2014 13: 39 New
    +4
    Quote: wks
    Quote: A1L9E4K9S
    The Americans boast of their democratic values, which forcibly offer everyone where they invade under the guise of protecting them, but in reality they turn out to be worse than robbers from the highway, pump out all natural resources from countries, while destroying the population that does not agree with this.

    There are no values ​​there except the dollar. Green will collapse, and all democratic values ​​will be buried with it.
    All so-called democratic values ​​are mechanisms to fool the electorate. As long as the average person has the opportunity to use free credit and eat unlimited quantities of hamburgers, he will welcome these values. These values ​​were borrowed from the population of the rest of the world who have some dollars in their pocket for a rainy day, including ours.

    It is necessary to break the Dolar ridge, and the euro is fragile for the first time, you can leave it. And the Eurasian Union will be developed.
    1. RusDV
      RusDV 31 August 2014 14: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Tsar Simeon
      It is necessary to break the Dolar ridge, and the euro is fragile for the first time, you can leave it. And the Eurasian Union will be developed.

      smile I'm afraid then I will not have to "develop", but to urgently build a steel gate in order to restrain the flow of those who wish ...
  27. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 31 August 2014 13: 40 New
    +3
    Quote: wks
    Quote: Cadet787
    The Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Cyprus opposed new sanctions against Russia over Ukraine

    I especially liked - Cyprus. In general, can Kaliningrad be thrust into the EU and let it block all their decisions there?


    No, don’t push us to the Geyropu! We have enough pediks, unfortunately, and in general - such conversations reek of betrayal and encroachment on the territorial integrity of the country. And, besides, these are native Russian / Slavic lands. Previously, Kaliningrad was called Kralev, this was before his Germanization. The history of all mankind is completely false, although I personally am not a supporter of the New Historians, or whatever they are called. In my opinion, they have inconsistencies, and serious ones.
    Neuken USA, neuken EU! Who wants to translate hi
    1. No. 4№y
      No. 4№y 31 August 2014 20: 29 New
      0
      About Kaliningrad - this is a joke. I set +.
  28. Serbor
    Serbor 31 August 2014 13: 48 New
    +4
    Kazakhstan is currently a completely self-sufficient state. But, unfortunately, like most of our neighbors, they always want to hear something offensive about themselves from the lips of Russia. Putin did not want to say anything bad. Nazarbayev heard what he wanted to hear because of his inferiority complex. This complex is highly developed in all countries surrounding Russia. But after all, Russia does not offend any of them (despite the fact that it is stronger many times), but on the contrary tries to behave with emphasis of courtesy and courtesy. And Kazakhs really never really had states and statehood (these are two different things). Before yelling about a grudge against Russia, think about what would happen to the Kazakhs if they lived on the territory of North America and not on the territory of the Russian Empire. Have you thought? Still have questions?
    1. Talgat
      Talgat 31 August 2014 14: 36 New
      12
      I am sure Putin did not want to say anything offensive - and perhaps from a formal point of view, such a point of view can be substantiated (although I do not agree and could justify the existence of nomadic statehood in Kazakhstan)

      The question is different - we are not in a benevolent "academic" environment where you can express different points of view, etc. - we are surrounded by nationalists of all stripes and just "rabid mongrels" of the State Department such as "Echo of Moscow" who will pick up and twist and inflate

      We are all in the conditions of an information war - and in such conditions this piece of Putin’s phrase was probably a mistake (which, as you see, gave an informational negative) -

      In general, I suggest that all supporters of integration in every possible way lower the "degree" of any discussion in the cases of Belarus, RF and Kazakhstan.
    2. AstanaKZ
      AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 15: 11 New
      -5
      I do not think that from such statements the GDP in the Republic of Kazakhstan has become less than the national taxes. And I also don’t think that the GDP will send troops anywhere in the world where Russians live who do not want to know and understand the language of local residents!
      30.08.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX in an interview with the national TV channel "Khabar" (and this channel is not a tabloid, like your ORT, where politicians do not throw words to the wind), the President of Kazakhstan, N.A. Nazarbayev. said about a possible withdrawal from the Eurasian Union! I think this is true, the Kazakh people should not pay out of their own pockets for the "Novorossiysk" sanctions (imagine this is so)! It is more likely that in this phrase of the GDP there is a black cat that can run between our peoples (look at the forums of Kazakhstani social networks)!
      1. VOLOD
        VOLOD 31 August 2014 21: 38 New
        +2
        can you listen? or hear only what you want to hear. Putin praised Nazarbayev for creating a strong state as modern Kazakhstan and such an entity as the CU. And here you are yelling, it’s not clear how much you can. I pretended to be a patriot and you are crucified trying to turn everything over on one’s head.
  29. Serbor
    Serbor 31 August 2014 14: 01 New
    +1
    And in general, I think that our southern and eastern neighbors still need to grow up to real statehood (with all due respect to nationality). Judge for yourself among the Kazakhs zhuzes, among the Chechens and Ingush teips, among the Uzbeks and the Kyrgyz also something in this spirit. People have clan thinking. As one Chechen acquaintance (by the way, a very respectable and educated person) told me: "What is good for the teip is good for me. People cannot quickly reorganize from clan thinking to state thinking. Hence, clan politics, economics, monstrous corruption and abuse Look, in some republics presidential posts are almost inherited. ”I repeat again - with all due respect to the aforementioned nationalities - but the facts are obvious.
  30. Bora
    Bora 31 August 2014 15: 29 New
    +7
    At a meeting in Minsk. about Poproshenko.
    1. k174oun7
      k174oun7 31 August 2014 16: 47 New
      +2
      Batko: "No, Vladimir Vladimirovich, Petya was brought from the teacher."
  31. AstanaKZ
    AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 15: 29 New
    -4
    Quote: Serbor
    And in general, I think that our southern and eastern neighbors still need to grow up to real statehood (with all due respect to nationality). Judge for yourself among the Kazakhs zhuzes, among the Chechens and Ingush teips, among the Uzbeks and the Kyrgyz also something in this spirit. People have clan thinking. As one Chechen acquaintance (by the way, a very respectable and educated person) told me: "What is good for the teip is good for me. People cannot quickly reorganize from clan thinking to state thinking. Hence, clan politics, economics, monstrous corruption and abuse Look, in some republics presidential posts are almost inherited. ”I repeat again - with all due respect to the aforementioned nationalities - but the facts are obvious.

    By the way, the action "Send a history textbook to Putin" has started today in Kazakhstan! Probably Gumilyov and Karamzin are banned in Russia?
    1. VOLOD
      VOLOD 31 August 2014 21: 40 New
      +3
      thanks to such ... as you started this action
  32. AstanaKZ
    AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 16: 10 New
    -1
    Well, of course we don’t have our own Bandera, and it’s impossible to name the Kazakhs as fascists - it remains to be stupidly minus! According to the mood on the forums of Kazakhstani social networks, public opinion and sympathy after the Seliger began to change. Maybe the GDP and about Belarus will blur something?
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 31 August 2014 16: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: AstanaKZ
      Well, of course we don’t have our own Bandera, and it’s impossible to name the Kazakhs as fascists - it remains to be stupidly minus! According to the mood on the forums of Kazakhstani social networks, public opinion and sympathy after the Seliger began to change. Maybe the GDP and about Belarus will blur something?

      Quote: AstanaKZ
      By the way, the action "Send a history textbook to Putin" has started today in Kazakhstan! Probably Gumilyov and Karamzin are banned in Russia?

      Maybe you will remember that Nazarbayev periodically "blurs" about Russia and the role of Russians in the history of Kazakhstan? This was discussed on the site.
      Textbooks are good! If only yours differ from textbooks, say, for example, Ukrainian. What I doubt.
      Contrary to the wishes of many, the Soviet Union fell into just 15 states. Otherwise, perhaps we would have known that each tribe before the Russian Empire had statehood. Which, of course, was stolen by the Russians. If there was a khan or a sultan, then that was to be, there was a state.
      1. AstanaKZ
        AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 17: 31 New
        -2
        Well, the rules of your site are simple and straightforward:
        1.1. Patriots live only in Russia, in other countries nationalists and fascists!
        2. All that was done good during the USSR by the Bolsheviks, what is bad - the Jews are to blame!
        3. There is one true nation - Russians, other nations and states - invented to spoil the life of a highly civilized first and to overcome their sacred lands and from time immemorial!
        4. Self-respecting Russian under no circumstances should not stoop to know the language of the country where he lives!
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 31 August 2014 18: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: AstanaKZ
          Well, the rules of your site are simple and straightforward:

          "We'll see a straw in someone else's eye, we won't notice a log in our own"? Resentment gnaws?
          1. The other day a big disaster happened on the site. The respected A. Sadigov, a patriot of Azerbaijan, prematurely passed away. Go to the obituary and read. Maybe you will understand.
          2. Do you not agree that the Bolsheviks built the world's first social state and many of them paid for it with their lives? If not in the course, many Bolsheviks were Jews.
          3. Your opinion is understandable — the Russians are colonialists and bloodsuckers who have wiped out many peoples from the face of the Earth and almost destroyed the Kazakhs (Nazarbayev mentioned this once) Have you and the Americans and the West not beguiled us?
          4. I am self-respecting Russian, I live in Ryazan and know my native language.
          If the Russians in Kazakhstan do not know your language, this means that you did not create normal conditions for this and did not interest them in this.

          Before blaming anyone, is it worth it to turn to yourself?
          1. AstanaKZ
            AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 18: 38 New
            0
            And here there is no truth to your obituary, I wrote almost a day earlier than yours! On the rules of the site: you just need to take a sober look without a hitch, because it is! Admit well your site we say patriots, yes we think so, yes we are the best we are always right, etc. And to distort and sculpt about our hatred of the Russian colonialists is stupid and low!
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 31 August 2014 19: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: AstanaKZ
              And there is no truth ....

              Do not look for a black cat in a room where she is not.
              Quote: AstanaKZ
              Admit well your site we say patriots, yes we think so, yes we are the best we are always right, etc.

              And who is twisting? So, what about "stupid and low" to the wrong address.
              Before blaming anyone, is it worth it to turn to yourself?
              Quote: AstanaKZ
              Well, agree!
        2. Patton5
          Patton5 31 August 2014 21: 53 New
          +2
          What offense !!! It was worth saying, in principle, a harmless phrase how everyone got hurt ... For decades you have been pouring mud on Russia, but here you are offended. Sorry, immaturity complex!
        3. nikcris
          nikcris 1 September 2014 02: 26 New
          0
          Everything is much simpler. Your nickname is from the name of the city. Remember how many times he was renamed. You want to convince me that the Kazakhs are a civilized people, changing the name of their capital THREE for 20 years. Tselinograd - Akmola - Astana.
          Take the wagon and into the steppe.
      2. AstanaKZ
        AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 17: 47 New
        -2
        Your site is degenerating, you are degenerating, here many articles have written about this well reasoned! You just think soberly: what is the connection between the meaning of the article and what Putin said in Seliger? Either others are cradled, or as parrots, one after another, they repeat the same sense a bit! Well, agree!
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 1 September 2014 02: 39 New
          +1
          Is Beshbarmak over? Zadolbal already his idiocy, referring to common sense.
          And in fact! Che Putin said that will be.
          PS Kazakhization of Kazakhstan will lead to the Maidan. Dill will envy. But there will be nothing left of Kazakhstan. Painfully greasy territory.
  33. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 31 August 2014 16: 23 New
    +6
    Quote: kyznets
    Guys from Kazakhstan! And what state did the Kazakhs have before joining the Russian Empire? They, Kazakhs, were on the verge of destruction by the Dzungars. And their "state" only reached Balkhash in the north, where the Russian Empire began, along which they were EXACTLY ALLOWED to roam. It had a much smaller area than it is now. And yes, about many states on the territory of Kazakhstan. There were many. The states were not called Kazakh or proto-Kazakh, nor pro-Kazakh. Rather Kipchak or Turkic. But Comrade Genghis Khan nullified these states - destroyed them. Completely. Your story says that you cut everyone out! Only a few children and women remained. And it was the nomads with a tribal structure - with your ZHUZES and clans that came to replace them (states). And when there was no mention of Russia yet, there was no mention of the Kazakhs either, they were not as such. The Kazakh (the first Kazakh) state was created by the respected Nursultan Abishevich Nazarbayev. And before him, excuse me, there were others. Putin spoke about this, and did not want to offend anyone, he only stated a fact. By the way, as the Kazakhs trace their genealogy from the ancient Turks, so with the same success Russia can trace its genealogy from the more ancient Indo-Aryans. Let's measure ourselves with fishing rods, then at least competently, according to written, historical sources. And then let's get back to the dispute who was Adam by nationality - Ukrainian or Kazakh?
    just like that! You need to argue reasonably and competently and without emotion .. culturally .. hi laughing
  34. salomeeff
    salomeeff 31 August 2014 16: 46 New
    +1
    The Americans chopped off Texas and many other territories from Mexico, exterminated millions of Indians in their native land (paying money for the scalp of an Indian, regardless of who it is: a child, a woman, an old man or a warrior. The first scalps began to be removed by the Americans, not the Indians) unleashed countless wars on the planet, killed millions of people, used atomic weapons against the civilian population of Japan. And all the pretexts were like in the attack on Iraq, presented to the UN in a bottle of washing powder. And the Germans should be generally silent, whose cow would moan, and the German would be silent. In Russia, there is practically no family in which there were no peaceful people killed or destroyed by the Nazis, and if someone forgot about it, it's time to remind them. And then all the partners, partners. My generation used to say about such partners "the best friend, after Hitler". And this card is for a reminder of this, if you may say "partners", and the fifth column in Russia.
  35. Yuriy Nikolayevich
    Yuriy Nikolayevich 31 August 2014 16: 57 New
    +5
    Leading European holding company supported Russian counter-sanctions
    The most famous German farmer, the owner of the EU’s largest agricultural holding and laureate of German awards for the development of agriculture, made a statement that the West would lose from the counter-sanctions of the Russian Federation, and Russia, on the contrary, would win. Thus, Stefan Duerr commented on the ongoing discussion of the losses and benefits of the EU from the imposition of sanctions against the Russian Federation. Recall that The Economist officially announced - including because of sanctions against the Russian Federation, the three leading economies in Europe are in a serious crisis.
    In addition, the fact that Europe is losing billions of euros in lost profits, direct losses and a fall in the value of shares of EU companies was reported by leading world media, as well as Western politicians and experts.
    It should be noted that Duerr caused a considerable scandal by supporting the ban on the import of European products into Russia and even daring to declare that "the West is deliberately adding fuel to the fire, inciting an unnecessary conflict." "My personal opinion is that the West has more guilt. Punishments from the West are just some kind of nonsense. And it could not be left just like that. People changed their minds," said the head of the Econiva agricultural corporation.

    "Duerr's opinion is more than authoritative, because he is the owner of the largest agricultural holding in Europe, has awards from Germany and Russia for the development of agriculture. Having dual citizenship, he spends most of his time in the fields and knows for sure: Russia is able to refuse imported milk," the media talk about him.
    The press also adds that, according to the well-known agricultural expert, "today the Russian manufacturer has a chance to take the vacated places on the market." How? "We need to take advantage of the situation as soon as possible. Otherwise, the niches of European exporters will be occupied by South American ones. But this requires government support. For now, these are subsidies. If everything goes well, in a couple of years the need to import products will disappear by itself. Conditions for this perfect. "

    It is worth noting that recently CNN confirmed Russia's statements that the sanctions imposed by the Russian Federation against the EU countries and the United States have an extremely negative impact on Western business. The investigation carried out by the TV company says and shows that not only small European farmers, meat and dairy producers, but also transnational oil, banking and automobile corporations suffer from Russian "counter-sanctions".

    Moreover, the head of the leading Italian company Inalca, said Il Giornale - European sanctions against the Russian Federation are "economic masochism."

    As a result, economists and politicians in Europe say that getting involved in the Ukrainian crisis and sanctions against Russia, the European Union received a powerful blow - the economy of its countries began to stop.
    http://www.politonline.ru/rssArticle/22522247.html
  36. renics
    renics 31 August 2014 17: 07 New
    +1
    (However, can the persistently recommended US-led intervention contribute to the eradication of maritime piracy and, most importantly, the resolution of the complex of Somalia's “insolvency” problems?)
    And here the USA when they organize all this themselves and their dealers are in a fraction of this profitable criminal business.
    1. rf xnumx
      rf xnumx 31 August 2014 17: 39 New
      0
      Quote: renics
      And here the USA when they organize all this themselves and their dealers are in a fraction of this profitable criminal business.

      The US will soon choke on this bloody feast of its own. The world is changing...
  37. Barakuda
    Barakuda 31 August 2014 17: 16 New
    +4
    Kazakhstan. I also visited Astana and Alma-Ata. --- This is an ass, compared with the USSR. Almost all the Russians left. And excuse the Kazakhs, what kind of srach you divorced there ... Drive five kilometers from civilization, EVERYTHING is ZhOP.A! This is not even a comparison in comparison with Moscow and the regions .. And the youth, horror! Dumb to a scream. For the first time, like the Ukraine, the USSR presented them all — borders, factories, industry, the army, roads.
    cons waiting ...
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 31 August 2014 17: 26 New
      +4
      Why trample an ally? We probably have too many of them? Or has the team already arrived? Have a conscience ... The minus, by the way, is not mine.
      1. Averias
        Averias 31 August 2014 18: 04 New
        +3
        What Vladimir Putin said is a historical fact. Nothing new, no gag. Yes, and it was said - as a historical fact. But the fact that our partners begin to engage in speculation on this does not paint them as partners. So how to blackmail Baikonur - it's easy. To take advantage of the situation (and I can’t call it another way) when half of the world has come up against us - this is a vivid example of partnership. It smells of rotten. Engage in blackmail inveterate, threatening to leave the Customs Union - this is stupid. So already then decide whether you are with Us or you are against Us. And there is nothing to speculate. By the way, as soon as it turned out that we were building a spaceport on our territory, speculation with Baikonur ceased. I begin to doubt very much about such partners.

        And that the person wrote two posts above about Kazakhstan, I agree. I like people, Astana, Almaty is beautiful. But here on the outskirts and in the outback, forgive ZhO..A. This is evident when you leave Almaty by train. And not everything is fine with us, so do we blame partners for this?
    2. AstanaKZ
      AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 17: 36 New
      +1
      I served with your farmers like you, I saw enough of how they flushed bread down the toilet so that the recruits did not get it! And as for ours, how do you say "zh-pa", you are still 30 years old to crawl on your knees and if the IMF throws off a handout! So it's better to dig the earth with the men than with you mud..kami drink vodka!
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 31 August 2014 17: 45 New
        +1
        Sorry! did not want to offend! I did not serve there, I "worked".
        1. AstanaKZ
          AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 17: 53 New
          +3
          Yes, we swallow nothing amigo, and the fact that the GDP says about us is swallowed! You understand that our nationalities will not swallow, in our Kazakhstani forums I’m a friend of a throat: Russia and Kazakhstan are friends, long live the EurAsEC, etc. By the way, on Thursday I hired a refugee from Ukraine for some reason from Nikolaev ?! They don’t seem to shoot there, it’s not convenient to ask.
          1. Barakuda
            Barakuda 31 August 2014 18: 29 New
            +3
            They don't shoot, it doesn't mean they don't pursue. I myself am near Kiev, klikuha - "Separatist".
            1. AstanaKZ
              AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 18: 52 New
              +6
              My grandfather Yesenbaev Gisam, after the Nazis surrendered after May 9, was left to command the commandant's office in western Ukraine until 1948 to wet Bendera scum. The fact that he was telling us and my parents we did not believe, the grandmother thought I got married, went for a walk with a crest and tells stories, now everything is true!
  38. shaman-25rus
    shaman-25rus 31 August 2014 18: 02 New
    +1
    Beggar, Owl, Sold, Piglet,
    Parubiy, Yarosh, Yatsenyuk,
    Verigina and Kalamoy,
    Koval, Firtash and Nemirovsky,

    Lyashko, Turchinov, Tymoshenko,
    Klitschko, Yarema, Poroshenko,
    Tradeswoman, Tyagnibok, Avakov ...-
    We’ll send you all the crayfish.

    There will be no prosecutor for you-
    Tie - and into the hole, indiscriminately.
    And who dares to squeak in defense-
    on the lanterns immediately hang.

    The people will judge you strictly-
    You have one road for all:
    In hell, the devils will welcome you -
    You eternal hell - for all the reward.
  39. Aydar
    Aydar 31 August 2014 18: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: INVESTOR
    Quote: SIBERIAN
    What would that mean ?????

    A compliment to Nazarbayev.

    Quote: INVESTOR
    Quote: SIBERIAN
    What would that mean ?????

    A compliment to Nazarbayev.

    Putin is displaying ignorance almost like Bush Jr. The idea that "the Kazakhs before me never had a state" first arose in our Radiant Elbasy, Putin, like a parrot, only duplicates it. Nazrabayev's statement that the Kazakhs did not previously have statehood was picked up by court licking historians, who, however, could not confirm these statements with anything. People who seriously deal with this issue assert just the opposite - the Kazakhs had a statehood and a union of three Zhuzes, in fact a confederation of various Turkic tribes (Naimans, Kipchaks, Argyns, Kereis, Dulats, Albanians, etc.), under the leadership of the khans Janibek and Kerey - never even had analogs close in political foresight and wisdom. The origins of this confederation go back to the collapse of the Golden Horde, when the tribes that remained "on their own" began to think about their own survival and, as a result, came to the idea that they should live together, in a single union. So the Kazakhs have always had statehood, the only thing that gentlemen Putin \ Nazarbayev is right about is that the latter managed to build a truly "outstanding" statehood, built on corruption, lies, betrayal, nepotism and tribalism. Now many Kazakhs have an opinion that Nazarbayev is not a Kazakh, he is a Kalmyk.
    1. tokens2
      tokens2 31 August 2014 18: 50 New
      +1
      Putin is displaying ignorance almost like Bush Jr. The idea that "the Kazakhs before me never had a state" first arose in our Radiant Elbasy, Putin, like a parrot, only duplicates it.

      Well said GDP and what? He generally gives out interesting things from time to time. For example, about the Battle of Kulikovo, they say there was a civil war laughing Bai just whipped in pleasure. No one protested ...
      And then statehood ... it's a machine to suppress any discontent laughing .The history of Russia as soon as it did not correspond, they say that we were ruled by the Vikings, evil Finno-Ugrians, and someone else. China, too, seemed to be controlled by clans not related to the Chinese laughing
      So ... you need to appreciate the words of Vladimir Vladimirovich. And do not remember the parrots in vain.
      1. Aydar
        Aydar 31 August 2014 19: 06 New
        -2
        Quote: Lexi2
        Putin is displaying ignorance almost like Bush Jr. The idea that "the Kazakhs before me never had a state" first arose in our Radiant Elbasy, Putin, like a parrot, only duplicates it.

        Well said GDP and what? He generally gives out interesting things from time to time. For example, about the Battle of Kulikovo, they say there was a civil war laughing Bai just whipped in pleasure. No one protested ...
        And then statehood ... it's a machine to suppress any discontent laughing .The history of Russia as soon as it did not correspond, they say that we were ruled by the Vikings, evil Finno-Ugrians, and someone else. China, too, seemed to be controlled by clans not related to the Chinese laughing
        So ... you need to appreciate the words of Vladimir Vladimirovich. And do not remember about the parrots
        in vain.

        So you appreciate the pearls of your Pukin, you can hang them in a frame in every school, like "Ilyich's precepts", and add Zhirik to the pile in a gilded frame. In general, Roosevelt, unlike you, was laconic, he needed a very short sentence to give a similar answer to yours, take an example from him "He is certainly a son of a bitch, but this is our son of a bitch."
    2. lord
      lord 31 August 2014 21: 55 New
      0
      Well, let the Kazakhs have some kind of statehood. And what was the name of this state? Kazakhstan? Learn the materiel, dear!
  40. Aydar
    Aydar 31 August 2014 18: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: sazhka4
    Kazakhs are not farmers, just herdsmen-herders. They live where others allow. There are no settled areas as such, which means there are no borders and therefore no specific territory. Without territory there is no State. Everything is logical.

    I advise you to read the opus "Attitudes towards pork among the Jews and the Nordic peoples" by Walter Darre. I am sure that you adore pork and you can say idolize it, it’s a very similar way of thinking.
  41. AstanaKZ
    AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 18: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: Averias
    What Vladimir Putin said is a historical fact. Nothing new, no gag. Yes, and it was said - as a historical fact. But the fact that our partners begin to engage in speculation on this does not paint them as partners. So how to blackmail Baikonur - it's easy. To take advantage of the situation (and I can’t call it another way) when half of the world has come up against us - this is a vivid example of partnership. It smells of rotten. Engage in blackmail inveterate, threatening to leave the Customs Union - this is stupid. So already then decide whether you are with Us or you are against Us. And there is nothing to speculate. By the way, as soon as it turned out that we were building a spaceport on our territory, speculation with Baikonur ceased. I begin to doubt very much about such partners.

    And that the person wrote two posts above about Kazakhstan, I agree. I like people, Astana, Almaty is beautiful. But here on the outskirts and in the outback, forgive ZhO..A. This is evident when you leave Almaty by train. And not everything is fine with us, so do we blame partners for this?

    And once again I tell you, neither you nor your Putin knows history, read Gumilyov, read Karamzin! Yes, it is possible in the modern understanding of statehood that we have: with the bureaucratic apparatus of border guards, etc. Kazakhstan since the years 1465g-1847g. can not be called, but the Kazakh Khanate was with borders and even if not reasonable but its feudal elite! We go further the Customs Union. I’ll probably tell you a secret, but what Putin is doing on the world stage cannot but affect our economy, and ordinary Kazakhstanis are acutely aware of this in their pocket especially after the last sanctions against you! Gasoline was 115 tg now 128 will be 170 and the whole grocery basket, etc. is growing as a result! Imagine tomorrow we will start a war with Uzbekistan, while Putin will tell us: it’s hard for us guys and now you are still there (a dumb analogy agrees, the main point) now we have to wait for sanctions, but our economies are entangled and too dependent.
    The National Academy of Sciences is not the only one who forms his retinue, and the national governments that he is forced to show curtsies there too: This is about Baikonur, this is about renaming to Kazak Eli and others. Now these national governments and opponents of integration have a trump card, so they say your beloved Putin that talking about us! I’m not a national patriarch according to the principles and forums of Kazakhstan’s social networks, I have shut up many Kazakh people and put friendship between our peoples at the forefront, but alas, after Seliger, their camp is replenished with every YouTube click! That's it, brothers
    1. Averias
      Averias 31 August 2014 19: 06 New
      +1
      I was waiting for when you say that. And here it is, again - Putin is to blame for everything. Bravo, carcass, the curtain fell.
  42. Aydar
    Aydar 31 August 2014 18: 30 New
    0
    Nazarbayev has gone too far, sagging under Putin - to the point that his citizens are already spitting in the face - like you are gypsies, without family, without a tribe - without your corrupt and corrupt "king". The president of any other country would have given Putin some kind of historical document or a copy of it as a souvenir, since these manuscripts are available in China and many Kazakh scientists can familiarize themselves with them there. I am sure that if Mr. Putin continues to make such statements, then the tilt of mood in Kazakh society will indeed turn towards China, since China is now showing a more respectful and partner approach to Kazakhstan than Putin, Zhirinovsky and Co. In general, the National Academy of Sciences received what it deserved - they openly demonstrate disrespect to the people and compare them with the Gypsies, would Pupkin try to say this to Azerbaijan or, at worst, to the Chechens (although I personally had never heard of anybody else before Kadyrov. statehood), and I would have watched the consequences with niteres.
  43. Barakuda
    Barakuda 31 August 2014 18: 32 New
    +2
    From a neighboring branch, think
  44. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 31 August 2014 18: 34 New
    +2
    Message from Donetsk
  45. Aydar
    Aydar 31 August 2014 18: 34 New
    -3
    Quote: AstanaKZ
    Quote: Averias
    What Vladimir Putin said is a historical fact. Nothing new, no gag. Yes, and it was said - as a historical fact. But the fact that our partners begin to engage in speculation on this does not paint them as partners. So how to blackmail Baikonur - it's easy. To take advantage of the situation (and I can’t call it another way) when half of the world has come up against us - this is a vivid example of partnership. It smells of rotten. Engage in blackmail inveterate, threatening to leave the Customs Union - this is stupid. So already then decide whether you are with Us or you are against Us. And there is nothing to speculate. By the way, as soon as it turned out that we were building a spaceport on our territory, speculation with Baikonur ceased. I begin to doubt very much about such partners.

    And that the person wrote two posts above about Kazakhstan, I agree. I like people, Astana, Almaty is beautiful. But here on the outskirts and in the outback, forgive ZhO..A. This is evident when you leave Almaty by train. And not everything is fine with us, so do we blame partners for this?

    And once again I tell you, neither you nor your Putin knows history, read Gumilyov, read Karamzin! Yes, it is possible in the modern understanding of statehood that we have: with the bureaucratic apparatus of border guards, etc. Kazakhstan since the years 1465g-1847g. can not be called, but the Kazakh Khanate was with borders and even if not reasonable but its feudal elite! We go further the Customs Union. I’ll probably tell you a secret, but what Putin is doing on the world stage cannot but affect our economy, and ordinary Kazakhstanis are acutely aware of this in their pocket especially after the last sanctions against you! Gasoline was 115 tg now 128 will be 170 and the whole grocery basket, etc. is growing as a result! Imagine tomorrow we will start a war with Uzbekistan, while Putin will tell us: it’s hard for us guys and now you are still there (a dumb analogy agrees, the main point) now we have to wait for sanctions, but our economies are entangled and too dependent.
    The National Academy of Sciences is not the only one who forms his retinue, and the national governments that he is forced to show curtsies there too: This is about Baikonur, this is about renaming to Kazak Eli and others. Now these national governments and opponents of integration have a trump card, so they say your beloved Putin that talking about us! I’m not a national patriarch according to the principles and forums of Kazakhstan’s social networks, I have shut up many Kazakh people and put friendship between our peoples at the forefront, but alas, after Seliger, their camp is replenished with every YouTube click! That's it, brothers

    DO YOU think he knows who Gumilyov is? I beg you: (((In Russia, there used to be a generation of Coca-Cola, and now the generation of Shvonders is the former "kokakolschik" but already with revolutionary ideas like "we will destroy the old world to the ground and then." Alas, Gumilev and Karamzin are already somewhere in the Paleolithic region.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 31 August 2014 18: 52 New
      +3
      Believe me, if you tell me .. My books are walking around the city, I can’t pick them up. Maybe that's why I'm with the guys in the yard - Hello!
    2. Averias
      Averias 31 August 2014 19: 15 New
      +2
      Hey, "respected" patriot KZ. Look in profile, and look at my age. Knowing who Gumilyov and Bulgakov are does not mean that you have a mind. Except for the two of you (who are engaged in frank trolling), no one else will sprinkle "saliva". Therefore, there is no need here "to shock the layman with horse vigor and instability" (words of the classic). And the fact that you "respected" decided to show your "superiority" and "education" in this way is from ambitions with rottenness, and your self-esteem is artificially high.
      And on Gumilyov’s account, I never liked him like his work and his thoughts.
      1. AstanaKZ
        AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 19: 23 New
        0
        A weak personality does not go?
        1. Averias
          Averias 31 August 2014 20: 18 New
          0
          Quote: Aydar
          You think he knowWho is Gumilev?

          Am I on the person? Forgive me generously, but you started it, I specially emphasized in your statement in red.
      2. andj61
        andj61 31 August 2014 19: 57 New
        +1
        Are you talking about Nikolai Stepanovich Gumilyov, or about his son Leo?
        Lev Nikolayevich Gumilev also wrote about the Great Steppe perfectly, though in a slightly different genre, within the framework of the theory of passionarity.
  46. Barakuda
    Barakuda 31 August 2014 18: 42 New
    +6
    Something like that, the leg will heal a bit and to the brothers
  47. Leonardo
    Leonardo 31 August 2014 18: 43 New
    +6
    Sorry .. Slavs. But ... let me give you my opinion. I do not succumb to hypnosis ... and zombies (as they say now). As recently as today (August 31 ... we in Moldova celebrate "Limba noastre." ... in translation "The day of our language." In the beginning they simply celebrated the "day of the language", but then the prefix "limba noastre e Romine. "In translation ..." our language is Romanian. "Even taking into account the fact that I am Russian-speaking ... throughout the day I tried to congratulate citizens - Moldovans on this holiday. If I went to those places where Moldovans sent me , ... I would not have the honor to write this commentary. It's not funny ... It's tragic. Even though I provoked with my "congratulations." Well, just think, ... they sent me to ... (the Moldovans themselves). ... The pleasure is indescribable. I learned the opinion of my fellow countrymen from the North of Moldova. And this gives me hope ... that Western lies, Western money,
    Western ideology .... US ... ORTHODOX .... SLAVAN ... ALIEN. We Slavs ... (r u s and ch a m, r u s and n a m) ... are disgusting. The US ...-... must be destroyed. With their collapse, all vassals from small countries will collapse.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 31 August 2014 18: 57 New
      +2
      I support. I think Russia will not leave YOU in "silent" inaction.
  48. Aydar
    Aydar 31 August 2014 18: 46 New
    -2
    Quote: AstanaKZ
    Quote: Averias
    What Vladimir Putin said is a historical fact. Nothing new, no gag. Yes, and it was said - as a historical fact. But the fact that our partners begin to engage in speculation on this does not paint them as partners. So how to blackmail Baikonur - it's easy. To take advantage of the situation (and I can’t call it another way) when half of the world has come up against us - this is a vivid example of partnership. It smells of rotten. Engage in blackmail inveterate, threatening to leave the Customs Union - this is stupid. So already then decide whether you are with Us or you are against Us. And there is nothing to speculate. By the way, as soon as it turned out that we were building a spaceport on our territory, speculation with Baikonur ceased. I begin to doubt very much about such partners.

    And that the person wrote two posts above about Kazakhstan, I agree. I like people, Astana, Almaty is beautiful. But here on the outskirts and in the outback, forgive ZhO..A. This is evident when you leave Almaty by train. And not everything is fine with us, so do we blame partners for this?

    And once again I tell you, neither you nor your Putin knows history, read Gumilyov, read Karamzin! Yes, it is possible in the modern understanding of statehood that we have: with the bureaucratic apparatus of border guards, etc. Kazakhstan since the years 1465g-1847g. can not be called, but the Kazakh Khanate was with borders and even if not reasonable but its feudal elite! We go further the Customs Union. I’ll probably tell you a secret, but what Putin is doing on the world stage cannot but affect our economy, and ordinary Kazakhstanis are acutely aware of this in their pocket especially after the last sanctions against you! Gasoline was 115 tg now 128 will be 170 and the whole grocery basket, etc. is growing as a result! Imagine tomorrow we will start a war with Uzbekistan, while Putin will tell us: it’s hard for us guys and now you are still there (a dumb analogy agrees, the main point) now we have to wait for sanctions, but our economies are entangled and too dependent.
    The National Academy of Sciences is not the only one who forms his retinue, and the national governments that he is forced to show curtsies there too: This is about Baikonur, this is about renaming to Kazak Eli and others. Now these national governments and opponents of integration have a trump card, so they say your beloved Putin that talking about us! I’m not a national patriarch according to the principles and forums of Kazakhstan’s social networks, I have shut up many Kazakh people and put friendship between our peoples at the forefront, but alas, after Seliger, their camp is replenished with every YouTube click! That's it, brothers

    It seems to me that you are not a national patron, you are an ordinary mankurt. Do a favor, do not defend the Kazakhs and do not dishonor them with your arguments and explanations, especially in the face of those chauvinists who are now applauding Pukin. For example, I never had anything against the Russians and I also do not consider myself a right-wing Kazakh nationalists. But now seeing and hearing what Pukin, Zhirinovsky and other like-minded people say and how sluggishly the Shining "Father of Kazakhs" Nazarbayev reacts to the insult of the whole people, I believe that moderate nationalism will be salvation for the Kazakhs. But it is obvious that mankurt like you understands everything - Russians have good nationalism - so they can be called patriots and "Russian people", Kazakhs have bad nationalism - so they can be called natspaty, with such primitive thinking it is a shame that people like you still read here lectures leading Gumilyov and Karamzin - inertly from your position to what category can they be attributed? To the category of "patriots" or to the category of "national patriots"?
    1. AstanaKZ
      AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 19: 02 New
      -1
      ))) You will advise your wife kyrtybas!
    2. Averias
      Averias 31 August 2014 19: 22 New
      +2
      And here is the proof of my words by the post above, rot, rot and ambition. Who gave you the right to insult the president? I have a normal and sensible attitude towards Vladimir Putin and his actions, without fanaticism, servility and other things, as well as to your President. And I never allowed and do not allow myself to express myself like that. You are not a patriot of your country, and you are not happy for it. You are generally nobody, you forgive ..... oh.
  49. Aydar
    Aydar 31 August 2014 19: 01 New
    -2
    Quote: Lexi2
    Putin is displaying ignorance almost like Bush Jr. The idea that "the Kazakhs before me never had a state" first arose in our Radiant Elbasy, Putin, like a parrot, only duplicates it.

    Well said GDP and what? He generally gives out interesting things from time to time. For example, about the Battle of Kulikovo, they say there was a civil war laughing Bai just whipped in pleasure. No one protested ...
    And then statehood ... it's a machine to suppress any discontent laughing .The history of Russia as soon as it did not correspond, they say that we were ruled by the Vikings, evil Finno-Ugrians, and someone else. China, too, seemed to be controlled by clans not related to the Chinese laughing
    So ... you need to appreciate the words of Vladimir Vladimirovich. And do not remember the parrots in vain.


    You are not original in your opinion, choose an example from Roosevelt, he was as verbose as you and limited himself to the phrase "He is of course a son of a bitch, but this is our son of a bitch."
    1. AstanaKZ
      AstanaKZ 31 August 2014 19: 15 New
      -1
      Tuysy zhagyn zhagyn emes, Қonys zhagyn zhagyn.
    2. tokens2
      tokens2 31 August 2014 20: 25 New
      0
      You are not original in your opinion, choose an example from Roosevelt, he was as verbose as you and limited himself to the phrase "He is of course a son of a bitch, but this is our son of a bitch."

      Yes, they are all rulers ... laughing they have such a job.
      And the fact that you compared me with Roosevelt is certainly flattering.
      "Trust but verify" - apparently we have such a relationship with allies. But there is no other way because the stakes are high. And Putin does not trust anyone, and he does the right thing.
    3. von_Tilsit
      von_Tilsit 1 September 2014 00: 25 New
      -2
      Learn the story, weirdo) This is a phrase of Ronald Reagan))
      1. tokens2
        tokens2 1 September 2014 00: 39 New
        0
        Learn the story, weirdo) This is a phrase of Ronald Reagan))

        Is this to oneself? In a higher way it was necessary to emboss one's historical knowledge.
      2. Aydar
        Aydar 1 September 2014 07: 06 New
        +1
        Learn history yourself "freak" illiterate. This is what Roosevelt said about Somoza. Although who Somoza is, you probably don't know either.
  50. Bora
    Bora 31 August 2014 19: 10 New
    0
    Senator from Texas Ted Cruz, representing the Republican Party, called President Barack Obama a "kitten" against the "Russian bear", writes The Washington Times.

    "The Russian bear collided with the kitten Obama," the senator said.

    "Putin is acting without fear, because our allies in Europe are afraid to take any steps without seeing our president ahead of them," Ted Cruz said.

    According to the senator, the United States should increase economic pressure on Russia by increasing the export of its own natural gas in order to "drop" world gas prices and thereby "hit the Kremlin on a sore spot - in its cash register."

    Senator Cruz is considered the most likely candidate for the presidency in the upcoming 2016 elections from the Republican Party. He made his statements at a party event in Dallas.