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Chop the bough. But not the ones you need ...

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Chop the bough. But not the ones you need ...


Well, actually, that's all, it remains a bit: cut the cattle, take out the black soil, close factories, plants, thermal power plants, etc., etc. To buy in Europe or anywhere else in the West. So, it turns out, for which the official authorities in Kiev, who came to the helm as a result of the coup d'etat, forced the bloody ATO in the Donbass, and not to start negotiations with representatives of the Crimean autonomy, Donetsk and Lugansk regions, about federalization. In Ukraine, the West needs only sales markets, and not a strong and industrialized country, a willing or unwitting competitor.

For the first time, it was possible to guess about this during the first attempt to “tame” Ukraine in the 2003-2004 years, when it demonstrated impressive economic growth rates (more than 12% per year). Then she was “pulled up” by the so-called “Orange Revolution”, as a result of which the country plunged into economic chaos under the guise of “reforms” and the notorious “European democratization”.

After 10 years, in 2013, she, Ukraine, did not demonstrate anything impressive, but she was kept afloat in the sea of ​​the global crisis. And the West still needed it as a potential huge sales market for the products of the Western economy, engulfed in crisis and depression. And as a result, and this Western Wishlist appeared the so-called "euromaidan" and "revolution gidnosty".

But, in fact, its consequences. Most impressive: in the Chernobyl zone began construction of a repository for spent nuclear fuel (SNFS). Because all 15 units at four Ukrainian NPPs are planning to transfer from Russian to American nuclear fuel. And if the Russians took away their spent supplies and disposed of somehow at home, then US laws prohibit the importation of spent nuclear fuel into American territory. And therefore ISF for spent American “good” is being built near Chernobyl. To the Americans was profitable. And in which case, so little that no one seemed. If it explodes, there will be a “European” Ukrainians and a new Chernobyl, and the old Fukushima in addition. So say all environmentalists. But who listens to them? We are integrating ...

Or an example: the Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine reports, citing US Under Secretary for Trade Matthew Murray, that there are proposals from US companies for the supply of coal of necessary brands to Ukraine. I ask your attention: to Ukraine, where there is a coal Donbass. But the fact is that for the first time in a long period Ukraine will begin to import, not export, namely, I repeat, to import thermal coal to meet the needs of thermal power plants. From Australia, USA and New Zealand. Why? Yes, because the delivery of Ukrainian fuel is difficult because of the destroyed infrastructure of the Donbass.

Ukrainian officials claim that everyone in the Donbas destroyed Russian militants. But everyone knows the truth: the war in Ukraine is also conducted in order to “clean up” the Donbass. Not only from militants or coal, but in general from everything. Because it is necessary to extract shale gas there and to replace Russian gas supplies to Europe. This is a far-reaching plan for overseas sponsors of “revolutions and gidnosty”, which have already even sent the son of US Vice President Mr. Biden-Junior to steer promising fields. And Ukraine? And, as you understand, it will cost democracy ...

In short, Western companies are ready to supply everything that is missing in Ukraine or disappears in it as a result of the civil war. This is one of the secrets why the war in the Donbass can last forever. And why, under its guise, Ukraine will be turned into a limitrop, completely resigned by the Westrope, and who does not dare to utter a word against it. Otherwise, the rations will be cut ...

Well, the lack of the necessary risks generally stop still working ukroeconomy. For example, according to the Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry, already today at the Ukrainian TPPs there is an acute shortage of grade A coal, which is used at half of the country's stations. And the Ukrainian coal reserves are such that with optimistic developments they will be enough for 50 days, with pessimistic - for 11 days. And the Americans - right there. And the Australians with the New Zealanders and other Democrats will catch up so that if you please, eat do not wear your hair.

And of the same level, and a presidential decree signed on 27 on August 2014, banning the export to Russia of military goods and dual-use items, with the exception of space technology.

This act of the president is only a public continuation (or forerunner, considering that he allegedly worked before) of the law on sanctions of Ukraine against Russia, adopted by 14 in August of this year. This law, as we remember, provides for the introduction of all sorts of restrictions in trade and economic relations with Russia. The National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) of Ukraine is granted the right to block assets, restrict trade operations, completely or partially terminate the transit of resources, flights and traffic across Ukraine, prevent the withdrawal of capital, suspend economic and financial obligations, revoke licenses, limit or terminate provision postal services.

The NSDC can also restrict or terminate the activities of the media, including on the Internet, prohibit or restrict the entry of sea vessels into the territorial waters or ports of Ukraine and aircraft into the airspace of Ukraine, terminate trade agreements, joint projects and industrial programs in certain countries. spheres, in particular, in the field of security and defense.

This decree and the law on sanctions against Russia are not news for the current Ukrainian rulemaking. They all seem to relate to the economy, but they are also painted in purely political, even geopolitical colors. Ukraine is being forced to chop the branch on which it sits, and make it dependent exclusively on the West. Not only politically, but also economically.

In fact, these are the steps of Ukraine towards its own economic suicide, only concealed by thoughtlessness about the alleged inevitable "death of the enemy" - Russia, which allegedly leads to "aggression" against Ukraine. And if it's simpler, it's just an attempt to urinate against the wind, and then be surprised at the unpleasant smell on your own clothes. Because the main result of these steps will not be the weakening of Russia, but, on the contrary, its strengthening. And just the Ukrainian economy will weaken. If she survives at all.

And that's why. The termination of trade with Russia by the Ukrainian that it needs will entail the processes of Russian import substitution. First of all, everything that is produced in Ukraine. And in Russia, there is money, desire, and the will of President Vladimir Putin. And if Russia replaces and begins to produce everything that used to go to it from Ukraine, then this will be the first major nail in the coffin of the Ukrainian economy. It will forever lose sales markets in Russia. But the law of economics is simple: to produce enough - you have to sell it somewhere else and, at least, discourage investments. Or, at most, make a profit.

And how interruptions in transit can help Russia build the South Stream bypassing Ukraine and finally deprive it of transit opportunities without any war, and there is no reason to say. Everything is on the surface, as they say, the sighted see ...

As a result, the result of any sanctions may be the exact opposite of the idea: Ukraine wants to punish Russia with sanctions, and will punish itself. And Russia, which will switch to the production of everything it needs independently, will only become stronger from this. Incidentally, this also applies to Western sanctions against Russia: it wants to weaken, but it seeks the opposite ...

In other words, the economic war with Russia is unprofitable for Ukraine in all respects - both political and economic. From a political point of view, all these acts seem to be justified. The West, whose ally Ukraine seeks to be at any price, has taken sanctions against Russia in retaliation for its policy against Ukraine. Both the developers and the law and the decree were spoken loudly: if the West accepted this for our sake, then we cannot accept sanctions lower in level than the Western ones. Everything seems to be correct. But politics is a matter of not only the possible, but also the need of the country and its people. And the possible losses in the economy, which would entail a worsening of people's lives, discredit both Ukrainian politics and Ukrainian politicians. The people, after all, may not understand the highbrow patriotic schemes of superpatriots and send them on foot to an erotic tour in the next parliamentary elections.

The sanctions, in particular, provide for the possibility of blocking the transit of Russian gas to Europe in Ukraine. And here political “ears” stick out especially brightly: all this is done to please the main sponsor and inspirer of the current Ukrainian authorities - the United States. It is they who are seeking, at any price, the cessation of gas transit from Russia to Europe and its replacement with shale gas from America. Or American, but extracted by the American companies in the cleaned Donbas. Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, whom Washington blessed to occupy the chair, even threatened to resign if he was not allowed to privatize (in favor of the United States?) 49% of the Ukrainian CTA, which had previously been the "sacred inviolable cow" of the state property of Ukraine.

Ukraine’s demand for European companies to buy Russian gas on the Ukrainian-Russian border, and not on the western border of Ukraine, is working on a possible transit disruption. If transit breaks down in any way, or at least interruptions occur with it and Europe begins to freeze, then America will be anyway well. And Ukraine? This is a question of questions ...

And economic losses from sanctions answer this question. Even today, the invasion of politics and politicking in the trade and economic sphere has brought a reduction in trade between the two countries by 25%. And whether still will be!

The total losses from the sanctions are already forecast at 7 billion dollars. A loss from the termination of transit - in 2 billion. The same dollars. Total - 9 billion "greens" only on the restrictions.

The second nail in the coffin of the Ukrainian economy can also "draw" from the sanctions. And it lies in the fact that Ukraine may lose the reputation of a predictable and negotiable and able to fulfill the obligations of a partner. So, it will lose its investment attractiveness. And in Ukraine, which today is in dire need of money (and preferably not only in loans, but also in investments), money will not go. And not only investments, but also loans. If the solvency of the country falls, which lenders will lend to a poor country? That's right, only those that will speculate in Ukraine and demand political changes in return or property for nothing.

But in Ukraine, as Innocent Adyasov from RIA Novosti once wrote, since March they have been discussing the idea of ​​“punishing” Russia by nationalizing its assets in Ukraine. The author publishes a list of enterprises that will become a “punishment”, and quite rightly notes that regional lawlessness will begin in nationalization: the local “princes” and the oligarchs close to them will want to punish and profit at their level. For example, displacing competitors.

And a process will begin that will be very difficult to control or stop. And he will hit on the business reputation of Ukraine.

Infringing on the private property of competitors or “enemies” for political reasons and without a court decision, introducing unmotivated sanctions and bans, violating trade agreements, disrupting planned transactions affecting all of Europe (and even the world), effectively blackmailing its business partners, Ukraine will go beyond framework of "war with Russia". And in fact, it will inflame on the foundations of the entire world economy and international trade, on the principles of world economy and trade relations. But silenok to fight with the world, it seems to me, Ukraine does not have a trace. They, silenok, it seems, only all sorts of nonsense and enough ...

... There is such a very Negender anecdote about a completely blind lover of female charms, who, at his request, led the one-eyed to the blocs ... through the forest. Here they go through the forest, the blind man clings to the shoulder in front of the one-eyed man walking and suddenly hears his cry: “Here, bl ... d!”. “What happened?” Asks the blind. "Yes, I ran into a bitch," replies the one-eyed man, who was also beaten out with a second eye. And the blind man pushes him away, comes forward and loudly, joyfully says: “Hello girls!”. Type reached the goal. This trip to the blast ... frighteningly resembles the current "enticing" of Ukraine, which lead it to a happy future - they do not cut the bitches and they do not count on those ...
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 30 August 2014 08: 07
    +15
    But what are the Yankees pushing their faithful satellite pheks? Proud Poles wanted to sell their dill coal. Suddenly they’ll be offended now and will not treat the Yankees with apples?
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 30 August 2014 08: 36
      +8
      In vain they hooked the Poles. There are not all scumbags. Not everyone. They also have their own Donbass. The cat gets mouse tears. Let's see! Still to come.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 30 August 2014 11: 57
        +9
        There is only one conclusion - in no case do not stop the offensive.
        It is necessary to knock out all this shushera from Kiev
        1. WKS
          WKS 30 August 2014 12: 49
          +14
          The Ukrainian masses have a dream - to join the EU. Below is the essence of a dream. The EU will immediately start investing money in Ukraine. Introduce new technology. Help with tips and money. Lay and repair roads. Each Ukrainian will have a stable and high income, an interesting intellectual profession. In short, a solid freebie.
          But the real plans of the EU are as follows. Sign with Ukraine linden paper by association. Never accept Ukraine into the EU. Hang noodles on gullible ears of citizens of Ukraine. Zero import duties. Displace all competitors from Ukrainian markets.
          As a result of these realities, the prospects for Ukrainian citizens are the same as for the inhabitants of the Amazonian jungle. If you are not eaten, then maybe you can eat someone. And if you are very lucky, then a young, healthy and strong Ukrainian will find a plumber somewhere in the EU and will be able to send home money for his family. And with this money, the family may be able to buy something from the abundance of goods that will come from the EU to the shelves of Ukrainian stores.
          But a dream is always more tempting than a gross reality and people will strive for it, and suddenly come true. Right now, the United States will send its marines and they will kick asses for these Russians fighting in the Donbass, which prevent them from realizing the Ukrainian dream. And it will not be necessary to send Ukrainian lads to death. Let the USA and Russia fight, and the Ukrainian will dream of a happy life within the EU.
          1. a52333
            a52333 30 August 2014 13: 15
            +9
            Sanctions of the outskirts ... Mdya ... Motor Sich put in a puddle, ours have already begun to produce engines
            . Russian defenders seem to have solved the problem of the dependence of the Russian helicopter industry on Ukrainian engines. According to Vladislav Masalov, Director General of the United Engine Company (UEC), to Izvestia, by the 2015 year, Russian manufacturers will completely displace the Ukrainian Motor Sich plant, having set up production of 600 engines a year in St. Petersburg - that’s just enough to fully cover the needs Russian Helicopters. "
            “Already in the contracts for next year, Russian engines are cheaper than Ukrainian ones, and by 2015 we will be able to completely replace Motor Sich in the Russian market - they simply will not have buyers, because we will produce engines for all new helicopters,” Masalov explained.
            He recalled that at the beginning of the week in St. Petersburg the production of helicopter engines was launched at the new production site of Klimov Design Bureau. Since Soviet times, the engines developed by this design bureau were produced by the Ukrainian Progress plant, which later became Motor Sich.


            Read further: http://izvestia.ru/news/542011#ixzz3Brg1CWRN
          2. Petergut
            Petergut 30 August 2014 14: 17
            +5
            Quote: wks
            ...
            But the real plans of the EU are as follows. Sign with Ukraine linden paper by association. Never accept Ukraine into the EU. Hang noodles on gullible ears of citizens of Ukraine.
            ...


        2. ivanfly
          ivanfly 31 August 2014 09: 33
          +1
          I absolutely agree with you. In Kiev, the "cleanup" should be carried out by the battalion "PSYCHIATR"
      2. KazakPatrol
        KazakPatrol 30 August 2014 12: 49
        +3
        Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers so about the Germans at one time thought that the German proletariat would not fight a war against us, but it fought in such a way that we still marvel at their merits!
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 30 August 2014 09: 08
      +8
      The junters need to fill their pockets, but dump them away so that they don’t get it, but to Ukraine, and what will happen to it afterwards, by and large, they don’t give a damn.
    3. Cadet787
      Cadet787 30 August 2014 12: 04
      +9
      30.08.2014 - 10: 22
      The Ukrainian military massively surrender to the army of New Russia.

      I have two little children! - the woman of the captured Ukrainian soldier whips on the cheeks. They almost lost their speech!
      To leave! - the militia growls, and the woman moves away from the line.
      About a dozen local residents went out onto Snezhnoy Street to reprimand the artillerymen who had surrendered to everything that had been accumulating for weeks in their hearts. Under the shelling. Sleepless nights in the basements. In terrible expectations of another artillery bombardment during rare moments of respite. The prisoners stand silently, their heads bowed. They can raise a mournful look at their escort, but there is no strength to look into the eyes of ordinary, civilians, on whom you brought down a large caliber.
      After two regular boilers shut down in the Donbass, the stream of people wishing to surrender increased many times. There are already so many that there are problems with accommodation.
      Yes, to be honest, I don’t really understand where to put them, these prisoners, ”Sergey Godovane, military commandant of Snezhny, admitted to us. - Recently we took them everywhere: near Saur-Mogila, in the Red Beam, near Ilovaisk. In terms of quantity I can say a little more than 160 people. Mostly Kirovograd and Zhytomyr regions. Relatives have already addressed. Most tankers, gunners. Junior officers, almost no ordinary soldiers.
      The commandant says that they took in different ways. Some threw a white flag to retreat or break under its cover. With such people did not stand on ceremony.
      There was a case, their own covered surrendering army. Yes, go and talk to them yourself, they clean the streets of our second day.
      We arrived at the place of occupational therapy at the same time as communal services - we brought several five-liter baklag with water and stew with bread to the prisoners.
      Each one has a can, ”the elderly guard escorted sternly, and adjusted the old SKS carbine with an attached bayonet-knife.
    4. mamont5
      mamont5 30 August 2014 12: 36
      +3
      Quote: andrei332809
      But what are the Yankees pushing their faithful satellite pheks? Proud Poles wanted to sell their dill coal. Suddenly they’ll be offended now and will not treat the Yankees with apples?


      Well, the satellites are, or rather, servants, not friends. But servants can bend, in any case, it is possible.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 30 August 2014 14: 24
        +4
        Quote: mamont5
        Quote: andrei332809
        But what are the Yankees pushing their faithful satellite pheks? Proud Poles wanted to sell their dill coal. Suddenly they’ll be offended now and will not treat the Yankees with apples?


        Well, the satellites are, or rather, servants, not friends. But servants can bend, in any case, it is possible.

        Servants in captivity usually have a desire: to wait for an opportunity and take revenge on the master ...
        Servants are in captivity because the West then seduces everyone with a partnership of equality and wealth, but in fact it turns into servants, debtors and tributaries, to promise is not to marry.
        I recall a joke:
        - One man died, the apostle sent him to paradise. A man looked at paradise, and there everything is decorous, clean, but boring and asked to look at hell. The devil showed him the entrance to hell, and there is fun, wine by the river, girls of easy virtue. A man went to hell and asked. They sent him to hell, and there the devils grab him and into the cauldron with boiling crap. He yells that they didn’t show him something, but they answered him that it was an agitation detachment (an advertising campaign in the modern). fool am
  2. Name
    Name 30 August 2014 08: 20
    +28
    What can I say ... recourse The animal from the Arctic is approaching for Ukraine ..
  3. shef598
    shef598 30 August 2014 08: 20
    +4
    It is very unfortunate to realize the death of Ukraine, we sell Lviv beer in Yekaterinburg, I will say not the worst ....
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 30 August 2014 09: 34
      +14
      Quote: shef598
      here in Yekaterinburg Lviv beer is sold, I’ll say not the worst ....

      Pival Lvivskoe in 1989 = poor grade "C" (for the very smart I will explain that the quality of the product depends primarily on the local WATER). I drank in Birobidzhan in May-June 1993. Score = solid "four". Gentlemen, comrades, visit Samara (formerly Kuibyshev), there the score = a solid "five" with a plus, even a draft on Khlebnaya Square. This morning for bread I went to the local "super" stands there "Lvivskoe" (after all, they do not hesitate to import the pad!), Of two types, but I will not take it in principle, if I want to, I’d better take the local Meleuzovsky "Nugush" ( not alcoholized, a little more hop flavor), even if you "eat" 1,5 liters, the blow to the liver is felt less than from all post-Soviet "brands".
      1. forward7
        forward7 30 August 2014 12: 00
        +7
        Drank and Lviv and Chernihiv and Obolon -, shit
        1. patap
          patap 30 August 2014 12: 36
          +3
          I agree. trash
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 30 August 2014 09: 46
      0
      Quote: shef598
      Lviv beer is sold, I will say not the worst.

      Lviv live in the pubs of Lviv is the best of Lviv ...
      You need to try it there ..
      1. avt
        avt 30 August 2014 11: 28
        +16
        Quote: Cristall
        Lviv live in pubs

        laughing In pubs ??? Vzhe Europ and signs over pubs were hung - pubs? It remains to rename the beer into ale and prohibit speaking in Lviv pubs in "Ridnaya mov" - tilka in Aglitskaya! It is of course understandable to the question "Where have you been?" to answer instead of, "Beer in a beer booze." Somehow, in the light of eurointegration, well, not very well. But - "I met the boys in a pub." This is something! This is already a hint at the intellectual time spent in life! You can say that they solved the problems of the world order! laughing
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 30 August 2014 14: 45
          0
          Quote: avt
          Quote: Cristall
          Lviv live in pubs

          laughing In the pubs ??? Europa and hangers over beer halls were hanged - pubs? ...

          So what? At us, in Penza, too, pubs appeared, such as Irish. drinks
          True, I myself was not - now I do not use, health is no longer that. hi
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 30 August 2014 17: 40
            +5
            Quote: PENZYAC
            I don’t use now, health is not right

            Two talk: - From I am a young buv, I could drink a bucket of pyva, and I infected half the tilka.
            - Well, dumb health?
            - That neither, the face will not crawl further.
            laughing
          2. avt
            avt 30 August 2014 18: 56
            +1
            Quote: PENZYAC
            So what? At us, in Penza, too, pubs appeared,

            Well, everything is confused in the house .. "Now," athletes "in" sports bars "blow beer, looking at the TV screen - they join sports. It seems like not a simple thump, but quite a sporting event.
            Quote: PENZYAC
            , type, Irish.

            Well, I'm saying - it's not just a puff of beer, but quite a cultural action - in this case, familiarization with "Irish culture" laughing .
      2. DV69
        DV69 30 August 2014 12: 30
        +5
        Quote: Cristall
        Quote: shef598
        Lviv beer is sold, I will say not the worst.

        Lviv live in the pubs of Lviv is the best of Lviv ...
        You need to try it there ..


        And let's all get together, dress up properly in Lviv, in pubs, well, like drinking beer drinks
      3. lex loci
        lex loci 1 September 2014 14: 58
        0
        And get a snack on the face of the banderlog for talking in the language of the invaders.
  4. Bronik
    Bronik 30 August 2014 08: 21
    +3
    And also from the USA it is possible to deliver straw and manure to Dill.
  5. mivmim
    mivmim 30 August 2014 08: 22
    +2
    This is all to convey to all Ukrainians. And interestingly, in Ukraine, you can go to the site of the "Military Review"?
    1. andj61
      andj61 30 August 2014 08: 40
      +10
      Quote: mivmim
      This is all to convey to all Ukrainians. And interestingly, in Ukraine, you can go to the site of the "Military Review"?

      You can go to the VO site, but you still need a desire and brainwashed: many in Ukraine go to completely different sites and get information there - such as a censor.
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 30 August 2014 09: 48
        +5
        Quote: andj61
        You can go to the VO site, but you still need a desire and brainwashed: many in Ukraine go to completely different sites and get information there - such as a censor.

        for me the main thing, but I check the news for all sources (and everyone lies on the House)
        Ukrainians do not have censorship as the opposite measure (well, something like a marker of stupidity). If there is any news, then the border of lies or stupidity should be taken there.
    2. batonoGivi
      batonoGivi 30 August 2014 08: 50
      +10
      You can go in, and many people who are adequate (the site in the sense) read it. Yes, only there are not so many adequate ones as it should be. And "svidomity" - even if they read it, there is no sense. I personally checked - you told them facts, arguments, arguments, and they - "Ukraine is tse Europe, and you are a quilted jacket, a separatist, a suitcase-station, etc." It will not work. There you won't even be able to drive it in.
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 30 August 2014 09: 51
        +7
        Quote: batonoGivi
        they - "Ukraine tse Europe, and you quilted jacket, seperatist, suitcase-station, etc."

        there are such groups but they are not numerous (but they are always heard)
        generally the Internet does not form Russophobia .. and TV.
        It is the TV that pumps the tantrum. And people in the mass repeat what they heard and not what they read (Internet)
        In general, ZomboTV controls ... 5 channel and 1 + 1 main ...
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 30 August 2014 14: 55
          +2
          Quote: Cristall
          Quote: batonoGivi
          they - "Ukraine tse Europe, and you quilted jacket, seperatist, suitcase-station, etc."

          there are such groups but they are not numerous (but they are always heard)
          generally the Internet does not form Russophobia .. and TV.
          It is the TV that pumps the tantrum. And people in the mass repeat what they heard and not what they read (Internet)
          In general, ZomboTV controls ... 5 channel and 1 + 1 main ...

          The current "journalists" from these channels must realize that soon they will either have to forget about this profession, or try to find a job somewhere in the West, if they take it, and then only in the yellow press.
          1. sgazeev
            sgazeev 31 August 2014 12: 18
            0
            Quote: PENZYAC
            Quote: Cristall
            Quote: batonoGivi
            they - "Ukraine tse Europe, and you quilted jacket, seperatist, suitcase-station, etc."

            there are such groups but they are not numerous (but they are always heard)
            generally the Internet does not form Russophobia .. and TV.
            It is the TV that pumps the tantrum. And people in the mass repeat what they heard and not what they read (Internet)
            In general, ZomboTV controls ... 5 channel and 1 + 1 main ...

            The current "journalists" from these channels must realize that soon they will either have to forget about this profession, or try to find a job somewhere in the West, if they take it, and then only in the yellow press.

            They will certainly take it, only not to the yellow press, but to clean the ducks with yellow contents. lol
        2. samoletil18
          samoletil18 31 August 2014 20: 15
          0
          I have only "inter" shows. Until I got bored at all, I looked
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac 30 August 2014 14: 51
        +1
        Quote: batonoGivi
        You can go in, and many people who are adequate (the site in the sense) read it. Yes, only there are not so many adequate ones as it should be. And "svidomity" - even if they read it, there is no sense. I personally checked - you told them facts, arguments, arguments, and they - "Ukraine is tse Europe, and you are a quilted jacket, a separatist, a suitcase-station, etc." It will not work. There you won't even be able to drive it in.

        Maybe Aunt Nepogodushka, Santa Claus and Uncle Hunger help?
  6. IGMIT
    IGMIT 30 August 2014 08: 29
    +3
    I wonder how much Dill will stretch under such pressure?
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 30 August 2014 10: 31
      +5
      Quote: IGMIT
      I wonder how much Dill will stretch under such pressure?

      I think, approximately, until the new year.
      Back in early summer, they said that gas reserves, subject to savings, would last until spring.
      They began to save - Kiev sits without hot water, is tempered, you know. Now Yaytsenyukh says that in order to reach the spring, 5 billion cubic meters of gas are not enough. This is what a surprise! Stoppudovo sold and still sell.
      A couple of months ago I read that Kalomoisky sold technological oil from an oil pipeline - without technological oil this is not an oil pipeline, but a mountain of scrap metal.
      I have confidence that closer to the ground smile such facts will come up much more and those who are overloaded with boilers will have to redo them into potbelly stoves.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 30 August 2014 15: 00
        +4
        Quote: GRAY
        ... those who have a lot of boilers will have to remake them into potbelly stoves.

        And what will stoves be heated with, or what?
        In Ukraine, there will not be enough trees for everyone.
        True, there is still straw and manure (including feces), but their number will continuously decrease, and all tires were burnt on the Maidan, last winter.
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 31 August 2014 12: 20
          +1
          Quote: PENZYAC
          Quote: GRAY
          ... those who have a lot of boilers will have to remake them into potbelly stoves.

          And what will stoves be heated with, or what?
          In Ukraine, there will not be enough trees for everyone.
          True, there is still straw and manure (including feces), but their number will continuously decrease, and all tires were burnt on the Maidan, last winter.

          When the stomach reduces to sticking to the vertebra, the feces will end. stop
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 August 2014 14: 57
      +1
      Quote: IGMIT
      I wonder how much Dill will stretch under such pressure?

      A maximum of a year and a half, I think, is hardly more, but rather much less.
  7. Sergey-ADE2
    Sergey-ADE2 30 August 2014 08: 30
    +17
    And here, in fact, and its consequences. Most impressive: in the Chernobyl zone, the construction of a storage facility for spent nuclear fuel (SNF) has begun. Because all 15 power units at four Ukrainian nuclear power plants are planned to be transferred from Russian to American nuclear fuel

    The people of Ukraine, I’m writing for you, do not believe your rulers that you should shove American assemblies into your nuclear power plants, just shove them. They are not suitable for your nuclear power plants, I’m telling you as an expert in this field, come to your senses and don’t let me create another Chernobyl boilers on my land. I understand why this is amer, for example, if the Zaporizhzhya NPP explodes the entire Sea of ​​Azov and a significant part of the Black Sea coast will be infected for thousands of years. It’s for them that Amer don’t give a shit about you. People themselves think what your government is doing. The American block control operators are already sitting at Ukrainian nuclear power plants, yours have already called me several times, the Ukrainian operators did not understand what was happening, why they were removed from work.
    We will all have a full ass of cucumbers if they cram amer’s assemblies in Ukrainian NPPs, then I can live in Siberia and I don’t care (even though I go to the Black Sea to rest), but you, especially the Ukrainians and Belarusians, weren’t tired of messing with you arranged by the Ukrainian authorities.
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 30 August 2014 08: 42
      +11
      Quote: Sergey-ADE2
      The people of Ukraine, I’m writing for you, do not believe your rulers that you should shove American assemblies into your nuclear power plants, just shove them. They are not suitable for your nuclear power plants, I’m telling you as an expert in this field, come to your senses and don’t let me create another Chernobyl boilers on my land.

      What's the use of addressing the "people of Ukraine"?
      He is not there, there is still a galloping crowd, piously believing that it is at war with Russia, that all troubles come from "damned mockels."
      1. Evilcat
        Evilcat 30 August 2014 10: 03
        +9
        Interestingly, residents of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions are also a galloping crowd? And, for example, in Odessa, they also firmly believe? Do you even know in what areas of Ukraine these words are pronounced aloud?
        The saddest thing (I almost said funny, but I did it in time) is that you highlighted the Chernobyl theme as a quote. This topic caught Sergey, and you only see the galloping crowd. Do you think that if you are not hooked?
        PS I completely lost sight of it. Read today's article "Letter to Makarevich" maybe something about Ukraine and you will understand.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 30 August 2014 12: 48
          +5
          Lugansk and Donetsk are NOT Ukraine already. With weapons in their hands, they defended it. This is New Russia.
          Because they do not jump.
        2. Iline
          Iline 30 August 2014 13: 34
          +5
          I will support EvilCat. You cannot comb all people under one comb. In Russia, too, all sorts of rubbish is enough, which is a sin to hide.
          But the fact that Ukraine, with its 45 million population, the West is considered only as a market for all that is unnecessary in this West itself, is a sad fact. And, frankly speaking, I would not want the Ukrainians to make sure of this after a short time. One thing is an independent country, another thing is the bladder of the West. In your struggle for some values, you must carefully consider these values ​​from all sides before the start of the struggle itself.
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 30 August 2014 15: 22
            +2
            Quote: Iline
            ... One thing is an independent country, another thing is the bladder of the West. ...

            According to the Western idea, the "independent" Ukraine has a fate - a cesspool of Europe, the second Kosovo.
            Russia is big and Kosovo was also arranged for her big. But, in Kosovo, there are at least Albanians, not Serbs, but in Ukraine they contrived to make Russophobes from Russians (Ukrainians are also ethnically Russian). am
        3. Penzyac
          Penzyac 30 August 2014 15: 11
          +2
          Quote: EvilCat
          Interestingly, residents of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions are also a galloping crowd? And, for example, in Odessa, they also firmly believe? Do you even know in what areas of Ukraine these words are pronounced aloud?
          ...

          This is what he primarily meant the people of Kiev, I think. request
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 30 August 2014 09: 55
      +6
      Quote: Sergey-ADE2
      I didn’t get tired, if you yourself are a mess that the Ukrainian authorities arrange.

      Yes, I’m personally tired of the mess even before it started (in November)
      Understood perfectly well with the disagreement of half the country on the Maidan - it would be bad.
      If the first no less somehow hooked the whole country then there is a sharp rejection ..
      People are tired of everything too ... a year soon this "gang" from Kiev is doing this ...
      people who voted for Poroshenko are now very "happy" - mobilization ... Peace plan ... to live in a new way ...
  8. Wheel
    Wheel 30 August 2014 08: 35
    +4
    But users have very bad things to do if they rely on the trade in resources.
    This is an indicator that UkrSA was blown away ...
    From a technological power, only memories will soon remain ...
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 August 2014 15: 27
      +3
      Quote: Wheel
      But users have very bad things to do if they rely on the trade in resources.
      This is an indicator that UkrSA was blown away ...
      From a technological power, only memories will soon remain ...

      Back to the cowboys, to the bison, to the south to the cotton, only the current African-Americans (political correctness) just won’t go to the plantation ... Apparently, again, a civil war, according to an old habit.
  9. 13elf
    13elf 30 August 2014 08: 58
    +4
    From the above regarding the NPP, the conclusion suggests itself: until they loaded am into the reactors. fuel, it is urgent to beat off ALL southeastern regions with nuclear power plants located on them. And in the remaining western part - let them do what they want. Let's see what the geyvropa will say. By the way, there will be a lot of nuclear power plants?
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 31 August 2014 13: 26
      0
      Quote: 13elf
      From the above regarding the NPP, the conclusion suggests itself: until they loaded am into the reactors. fuel, it is urgent to beat off ALL southeastern regions with nuclear power plants located on them. And in the remaining western part - let them do what they want. Let's see what the geyvropa will say. By the way, there will be a lot of nuclear power plants?

      Khmelnitsky NPP - 2 units with VVER-1000 reactors, commissioned in 1987 and 2004. At the same station, two more units with VVER-1000 are under construction (launch dates - 2015-2016).
      Rivne NPP - 4 units with VVER-440 reactors (commissioning dates - 1980, 1981, 1986 and 2004).
      South Ukrainian NPP - 3 units with VVER-1000 reactors (commissioning dates - 1982, 1985 and 1989).
      Zaporizhzhya NPP - 6 units with VVER-1000 reactors (commissioning dates - 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989 and 1995).
      Four units of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant with RBMK-1000 reactors are currently decommissioned. Banderlog to leave the Rivne nuclear power plant.
  10. KBPC50
    KBPC50 30 August 2014 08: 59
    +6
    It is a pity for those people in Ukraine who are normal ordinary people. But the country is led by Yaytsenyuhi, Lyashki, etc. coupled with Chocolate Hare. Somewhere ran a fake that Benya Kalomoisky is preparing an explosion DNIPROGES. Conclusion: the people of Ukraine do not need anyone. The rulers will be swept away to Israel or the USA, and the used will remain to die as unnecessary in future political skirmishes.
  11. Sergey-ADE2
    Sergey-ADE2 30 August 2014 09: 07
    +4
    Quote: 13elf
    From the above regarding the NPP, the conclusion suggests itself: until they loaded am into the reactors. fuel, it is urgent to beat off ALL southeastern regions with nuclear power plants located on them. And in the remaining western part - let them do what they want. Let's see what the geyvropa will say. By the way, there will be a lot of nuclear power plants?

    Yes, right now I don’t remember which nuclear power plant but in September-October the assemblies should be overloaded, I don’t know what and who will do it, we hope that the leadership of the country of Ukraine will be smart enough not to lather itself with rope.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 August 2014 15: 32
      +1
      Quote: Sergey-ADE2
      Quote: 13elf
      From the above regarding the NPP, the conclusion suggests itself: until they loaded am into the reactors. fuel, it is urgent to beat off ALL southeastern regions with nuclear power plants located on them. And in the remaining western part - let them do what they want. Let's see what the geyvropa will say. By the way, there will be a lot of nuclear power plants?

      Yes, right now I don’t remember which nuclear power plant but in September-October the assemblies should be overloaded, I don’t know what and who will do it, we hope that the leadership of the country of Ukraine will be smart enough not to lather itself with rope.

      It is unlikely that they live in a strange mind, and the one with the formation of a problem, but greedy and arrogant beyond measure.
    2. sgazeev
      sgazeev 31 August 2014 13: 28
      0
      Quote: Sergey-ADE2
      Quote: 13elf
      From the above regarding the NPP, the conclusion suggests itself: until they loaded am into the reactors. fuel, it is urgent to beat off ALL southeastern regions with nuclear power plants located on them. And in the remaining western part - let them do what they want. Let's see what the geyvropa will say. By the way, there will be a lot of nuclear power plants?

      Yes, right now I don’t remember which nuclear power plant but in September-October the assemblies should be overloaded, I don’t know what and who will do it, we hope that the leadership of the country of Ukraine will be smart enough not to lather itself with rope.

      There isn’t enough intelligence, they still don’t understand what they have done. fool
  12. Uzer 13.
    Uzer 13. 30 August 2014 09: 07
    +9
    Ukraine is indeed some kind of special geographical misunderstanding. With great enthusiasm to destroy its own economy, no one has thought of it yet. Moreover, the sick are all from the head of state to the last homeless. The country of fools and the resident evil are simultaneously in the same territorial space.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 August 2014 15: 40
      +2
      Quote: uzer 13
      Ukraine is indeed some kind of special geographical misunderstanding. With great enthusiasm to destroy its own economy, no one has thought of it yet. Moreover, the sick are all from the head of state to the last homeless. The country of fools and the resident evil are simultaneously in the same territorial space.

      There was one such state - Pol Pot Kampuchea (now Cambodia again). It was even worse there, although they "built communism", either Maoist or Trotskyist. However, what's the difference what they "built"? As a result, the people could not stand the genocide, rebelled and executed the experimenters. China (they seemed to be guided by it) also did not (and hardly could) save them, did not substitute.
  13. victorrat
    victorrat 30 August 2014 09: 09
    +8
    Already everyone agrees that the Leninist project: Ukraine, is over. This Ruin will now be left to Russia to be raised again under a different name.
    Novorossiya is already ours with its devastation. And again, to help the Russians already restore the economy destroyed by the Khokhlov-Bandera. Again, the expenditures that were planned for the normal things Rossi needed. And how many more our oligarchs steal there.
    And how many zombies will have to be explained that nonsense ukroSM- this nonsense, that there has never been ukrov or great Dill))))
    That this Muscovy conquered Hohland all the lands that the Hetman lost.
    I think we’ll raise it. If only the militia finished off the Nazis in their den!
    Glory to the heroes of New Russia!
    1. Valentine77 64
      Valentine77 64 30 August 2014 09: 58
      +7
      1. This is not a waste. To restore is new jobs, new orders for our industry, and the state has money and funds.
      2. The huge economic benefit from the fact that the remaining industry and resources pass under the cover of Russia. What could be bought earlier for a lot of money itself falls into the hands of the renewed Great Russia.
      And then think for yourself ...
  14. sazhka4
    sazhka4 30 August 2014 09: 09
    +23
    Not everything is so bad .. Normal People are still there !!!
    1. jovanni
      jovanni 30 August 2014 09: 34
      +13
      A real man! I shake your hand, friend!
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 30 August 2014 15: 51
        +1
        Quote: Jovanni
        A real man! I shake your hand, friend!

        This RUSSIAN man! good
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 31 August 2014 13: 37
          +1
          Quote: PENZYAC
          Quote: Jovanni
          A real man! I shake your hand, friend!

          This RUSSIAN man! good

          In addition, he literally explained to his heifer history and geography, and the name of the so-called state.
  15. Rigla
    Rigla 30 August 2014 09: 10
    +3
    With regard to nuclear fuel, which can really fumble due to the fact that Soviet reactors and Amerov’s fuel are not suitable for them, it is necessary to warn the mattresses that in the event of a nuclear accident at dill nuclear plants, Russia will deliver a limited blow to the territory of the United States.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 August 2014 16: 01
      0
      Quote: Rigla
      With regard to nuclear fuel, which can really fumble due to the fact that Soviet reactors and Amerov’s fuel are not suitable for them, it is necessary to warn the mattresses that in the event of a nuclear accident at dill nuclear plants, Russia will deliver a limited blow to the territory of the United States.

      At a minimum, you will have to send liquidation troops to the Ruin and sue the US government and its nuclear experts: both international and the US and Europe (not only us, but Europe) with a claim for compensation for losses (they don’t think it’s enough, we’ll leave without pants , let’s go around the world) from a man-made disaster, because they warned the same. By the way, this must also be warned before it is too late. negative hi
  16. ava09
    ava09 30 August 2014 09: 13
    +6
    Everything is according to plan ... Bulgarian pepper is already being brought to Bulgaria from Holland, why can't Ukraine be supplied with Ukrainian bacon from the USA or Australia? Moreover, "Svidomye" strongly respect the bourgeoisie, maybe their fat is sweeter? Maybe in chocolate? Until you try, you will not understand ...
  17. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 30 August 2014 09: 20
    +7
    These are all consequences of the reason - the betrayal of some people by the interests of Ukraine, i.e. maydannyh leaders. As a result, all their actions give rise to a lie, necessary in order to cover their sins. Lying in Ukraine has become true. Eat, comrades. did you want freedom and democracy? so get a beggar, ragged, with industry destroyed, markets lost education. You deserve it if you have not seen the true background of all previous events.
    And it is not Putin's fault. This is what your "leaders" tell you. it is YOU who are to blame, because you are blind both to your eyesight (you see nothing, and to your brains (you don't understand anything) am
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 August 2014 16: 06
      0
      Quote: Rurikovich
      These are all consequences of the reason - the betrayal of some people by the interests of Ukraine, i.e. maydannyh leaders. As a result, all their actions give rise to a lie, necessary in order to cover their sins. Lying in Ukraine has become true. Eat, comrades. did you want freedom and democracy? so get a beggar, ragged, with industry destroyed, markets lost education. You deserve it if you have not seen the true background of all previous events.
      And it is not Putin's fault. This is what your "leaders" tell you. it is YOU who are to blame, because you are blind both to your eyesight (you see nothing, and to your brains (you don't understand anything) am

      The guy in the video (sazhka4) said everything! good
  18. Mihail177
    Mihail177 30 August 2014 09: 28
    +5
    Quote: sazhka4
    Not everything is so bad .. Normal People are still there !!!
    I already thought Ukraine was dead. Well done man! drinks
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 30 August 2014 14: 10
      +3
      In Kharkov, not all maydanuty? Hooray! Maybe there are a lot of them? They are simply afraid to speak out loud, because they can "run over" quite robustly. Bandera and others like them. They will just hound. When it will be impossible to poison, will there be an order of magnitude more reasonable ones?
  19. special
    special 30 August 2014 09: 29
    +3
    Article bold +! Not bad outlined ... hi
  20. MAXUZZZ
    MAXUZZZ 30 August 2014 09: 31
    +4
    Yes, those who push all of this to Ukraine are not going to live in Ukraine itself, so they sneeze at the consequences from the high bell tower
  21. _umka_
    _umka_ 30 August 2014 09: 36
    +3
    You have to chop the bankers.
  22. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 30 August 2014 09: 53
    +5
    a joke about a completely blind lover of feminine charms, whom, at his request, on a bl ... one-eyed led through the forest. Here they go through the woods, the blind one clings to the shoulder in front of the one-eyed one, and suddenly hears his exclamation: "Here, damn it!" “What happened?” The blind man asks. “Yes, I ran into a bitch,” the one-eyed replies, to which the other eye has also been knocked out. But the blind man pushes him, comes forward and says loudly, joyfully, “Hello, girls!” By Vladimir Skachko

    The author is still young, did not find the era of prosperity of Soviet jokes. But with them began any smoke break in those days. So here is the canonical text:
    The lame one-eyed man took a legless, blind fucking guy through the forest. Yes, and ran into the dark with one eye on a mote. He throws off the blind man and, covering his broken eye with his hand, says: "Pi ... ts! We've arrived!" The blind fucker, having established himself on the fifth point, spreading his arms and smiling broadly, says: "Hello, girls!" The story of the anecdote is accompanied by hand movements and facial expressions corresponding to the text.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 August 2014 16: 09
      +1
      Quote: 11111mail.ru
      a joke about a completely blind lover of feminine charms, whom, at his request, on a bl ... one-eyed led through the forest. Here they go through the woods, the blind one clings to the shoulder in front of the one-eyed one, and suddenly hears his exclamation: "Here, damn it!" “What happened?” The blind man asks. “Yes, I ran into a bitch,” the one-eyed replies, to which the other eye has also been knocked out. But the blind man pushes him, comes forward and says loudly, joyfully, “Hello, girls!” By Vladimir Skachko

      The author is still young, did not find the era of prosperity of Soviet jokes. But with them began any smoke break in those days. So here is the canonical text:
      The lame one-eyed man took a legless, blind fucking guy through the forest. Yes, and ran into the dark with one eye on a mote. He throws off the blind man and, covering his broken eye with his hand, says: "Pi ... ts! We've arrived!" The blind fucker, having established himself on the fifth point, spreading his arms and smiling broadly, says: "Hello, girls!" The story of the anecdote is accompanied by hand movements and facial expressions corresponding to the text.

      Yes, there were times ...
  23. pahom54
    pahom54 30 August 2014 09: 55
    +8
    I do not agree with the author of the article.
    Quote from his article; "... In Ukraine, the West needs only markets, and not a strong and industrialized country, a free or involuntary competitor ... "...
    What sales market can we talk about when there is a war on the territory of Lugansk and Donetsk regions (Novorossiya) to destroy not only infrastructure, but also the population ??? Practically during the so-called ATO, a policy of "scorched" land is being pursued ...
    What kind of sales markets can there be, if Ukraine as such is no longer there, there is only a decrepit thing that betrayed its brothers, with a ruined economy, all in debt and snot ???
    The present Krajina doesn’t even have a control apparatus for it as a state, because at the helm of a sinking ship there is a group of demoniac monkeys who are absolutely unaware of the realities and live in some kind of futuristic world ...
    Everything ... There is no Ukraine, there is a Ruin ... But it’s a pity, everything could have been otherwise, hadn’t the people of Krajina been right-handed to arms and power ... The people of Krajina have overslept and proshril it myself ...
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 August 2014 16: 15
      +2
      Quote: pahom54
      I do not agree with the author of the article.
      Quote from his article; "... In Ukraine, the West needs only markets, and not a strong and industrialized country, a free or involuntary competitor ... "...
      ...

      Well, initially, at least the EU was planning and possible, but all the same, this "sales market" would not have been enough for a long time. To buy something, especially to import something, you need money, but where can you get it without production and export? request fool
  24. Cristall
    Cristall 30 August 2014 09: 59
    +2
    Quote: pahom54
    The people of Krajina overslept and proskril her myself ...

    I would clarify half of the country was busy when the other half sold for 200 UAH on the Maidan .. both halts are guilty ...
  25. Gray 43
    Gray 43 30 August 2014 10: 06
    +2
    Those who kill the former Ukraine themselves are not going to live there
  26. zvědavost
    zvědavost 30 August 2014 10: 07
    +3
    A person draws information only from the media. Therefore, the media is the main brainwasher. In the power of whom the media is the owner of our souls. Again we return to the role of the information war. Citizens of Ukraine do not have the information that is present here. I have no doubt about that. Therefore, if you want this information to reach (and drop a stone hollow), the Internet will help you.
    1. Sour
      Sour 30 August 2014 10: 19
      +7
      Quote: zvědavost
      Citizens of Ukraine do not have the information that is present here. I have no doubt about it

      Everyone can easily find alternative information if he wants. For example, it’s not the first year I have been watching news releases of ukro-TV; they have always been online on the Internet.
      Citizens of Ukraine simply do not want to have other information. They don’t want to, but are not at all denied access to it.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 30 August 2014 16: 27
        +1
        Quote: Sour
        Quote: zvědavost
        Citizens of Ukraine do not have the information that is present here. I have no doubt about it

        Everyone can easily find alternative information if he wants. For example, it’s not the first year I have been watching news releases of ukro-TV; they have always been online on the Internet.
        Citizens of Ukraine simply do not want to have other information. They don’t want to, but are not at all denied access to it.

        Old people and most hard workers, especially in the countryside, are not used to it, and not all of them have computers or smartphones and the Internet (they have telephones, make a clear call), especially satellite dishes, it’s easier for them to turn on the zombie box, and there. ..
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 31 August 2014 13: 51
          +1
          Quote: PENZYAC
          Quote: Sour
          Quote: zvědavost
          Citizens of Ukraine do not have the information that is present here. I have no doubt about it

          Everyone can easily find alternative information if he wants. For example, it’s not the first year I have been watching news releases of ukro-TV; they have always been online on the Internet.
          Citizens of Ukraine simply do not want to have other information. They don’t want to, but are not at all denied access to it.

          Old people and most hard workers, especially in the countryside, are not used to it, and not all of them have computers or smartphones and the Internet (they have telephones, make a clear call), especially satellite dishes, it’s easier for them to turn on the zombie box, and there. ..

          But something is left, memory, life experience.
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 August 2014 16: 21
      +1
      Quote: zvědavost
      A person draws information only from the media. Therefore, the media is the main brainwasher. In the power of whom the media is the owner of our souls. Again we return to the role of the information war. Citizens of Ukraine do not have the information that is present here. I have no doubt about that. Therefore, if you want this information to reach (and drop a stone hollow), the Internet will help you.

      Unfortunately, Internet TV is not a competitor, at least not yet, especially in such a closed police country as they tried and are trying to do what is called Ukraine.
    3. sgazeev
      sgazeev 31 August 2014 13: 49
      +1
      Quote: zvědavost
      A person draws information only from the media. Therefore, the media is the main brainwasher. In the power of whom the media is the owner of our souls. Again we return to the role of the information war. Citizens of Ukraine do not have the information that is present here. I have no doubt about that. Therefore, if you want this information to reach (and drop a stone hollow), the Internet will help you.

      The Internet will not help, a person with a normal psyche perceives information 50/50, reserving the right to critically approach everything. Downs do not need this, they will "swallow" the information that is mixed with myths and tales about the future sweet life with gay Europeans. fool
  27. zvědavost
    zvědavost 30 August 2014 10: 09
    0
    By the way, I was convinced that reposting on Facebook did not occur. Is that censorship?
    1. zvědavost
      zvědavost 30 August 2014 10: 16
      +1
      I apologize. There is a repost, it just appeared late for 20 minutes.
  28. Mentor
    Mentor 30 August 2014 10: 33
    +5
    Quote: batonoGivi
    You can go in, and many people who are adequate (the site in the sense) read it. Yes, only there are not so many adequate ones as it should be. And "svidomity" - even if they read it, there is no sense. I personally checked - you told them facts, arguments, arguments, and they - "Ukraine is tse Europe, and you are a quilted jacket, a separatist, a suitcase-station, etc." It will not work. There you won't even be able to drive it in.

    Yeah ... Quote from a dispute with a regular censor: "... don't you dare poke your facts at me ..."
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 30 August 2014 11: 38
      +3
      Quote: Mentor
      "... don't you dare poke your facts at me ..."

      Yes, this will be included in the aphorisms of the New History of Ukraine. Pokhleshche Chernomyrdin.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 30 August 2014 16: 28
        +2
        Quote: Tyumen
        Quote: Mentor
        "... don't you dare poke your facts at me ..."

        Yes, this will be included in the aphorisms of the New History of Ukraine. Pokhleshche Chernomyrdin.

        Match Klitschko and Psaki ...
      2. sgazeev
        sgazeev 31 August 2014 13: 55
        +1
        Quote: Tyumen
        Quote: Mentor
        "... don't you dare poke your facts at me ..."

        Yes, this will be included in the aphorisms of the New History of Ukraine. Pokhleshche Chernomyrdin.

        Yes, such people, and in a state like Russia, have no right to live poorly! (Chernomyrdin) laughing
  29. kompotnenado
    kompotnenado 30 August 2014 11: 26
    +3
    The mistakes of youth easily got away with it.
    Ah youth the distant sound of a flute.
    We often sawed bitches under us.
    But we are not the same, cyk and old (s)
  30. Alfizik
    Alfizik 30 August 2014 11: 53
    +2
    Yes, the situation in the "new" Ukraine is difficult, almost hopeless. What to do? To eliminate the heralds of Western "democracy" by any means. The Yatsenyuk-Turchinovs who betrayed their people must leave irrevocably. To go to shame, to contempt, and maybe ... very far. They must become "Alexandra Matrosov" in the battle with the fascist Serpent.
  31. Egoza
    30 August 2014 11: 59
    +5
    Not all residents of Ukraine have the opportunity to access the internet, especially in villages and small towns. The most brainwashed are TV and (in my opinion) the newspaper Today, which is in fact the most popular. Just yesterday, in arshin letters - "Russian invasion of Ukraine!" And they begin to give examples about the invasion of Russian troops, and the words of NATO, and it seems that the OSCE and the UN recognized the invasion, all countries supported ... In another newspaper, Vesti, there are refutations and completely different data are given, but ... one newspaper, you know which one ...
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 30 August 2014 12: 26
      +4
      That's right. When I go home to visit, I invite Kuma - a military engineer-aviator in the former. Lives almost in the village - and no. Watching UkrTV.
      With saliva and mats comes - Russia, Putin, separatists, criminals ... After 2 hours of sitting in the Internet, I show him something .. - Russia ahead! Parosh’s landfill ... But for some reason I don’t believe my word, some kind of paradox, I happen to be there ...
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 30 August 2014 16: 43
        +3
        Quote: Barracuda
        That's right. When I go home to visit, I invite Kuma - a military engineer-aviator in the former. Lives almost in the village - and no. Watching UkrTV.
        With saliva and mats comes - Russia, Putin, separatists, criminals ... After 2 hours of sitting in the Internet, I show him something .. - Russia ahead! Parosh’s landfill ... But for some reason I don’t believe my word, some kind of paradox, I happen to be there ...

        Psychology, however: the words - they are the words, but if somewhere in the media (not on the fence) is correctly written, or, moreover, the Internet is also the media, then this is a completely different matter, this is already arguments and facts . hi
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 31 August 2014 14: 17
          0
          Quote: PENZYAC
          Quote: Barracuda
          That's right. When I go home to visit, I invite Kuma - a military engineer-aviator in the former. Lives almost in the village - and no. Watching UkrTV.
          With saliva and mats comes - Russia, Putin, separatists, criminals ... After 2 hours of sitting in the Internet, I show him something .. - Russia ahead! Parosh’s landfill ... But for some reason I don’t believe my word, some kind of paradox, I happen to be there ...

          Psychology, however: the words - they are the words, but if somewhere in the media (not on the fence) is correctly written, or, moreover, the Internet is also the media, then this is a completely different matter, this is already arguments and facts . hi

          It is necessary to make two pictures, what is true and what is false.
      2. sgazeev
        sgazeev 31 August 2014 14: 15
        +1
        Quote: Barracuda
        That's right. When I go home to visit, I invite Kuma - a military engineer-aviator in the former. Lives almost in the village - and no. Watching UkrTV.
        With saliva and mats comes - Russia, Putin, separatists, criminals ... After 2 hours of sitting in the Internet, I show him something .. - Russia ahead! Parosh’s landfill ... But for some reason I don’t believe my word, some kind of paradox, I happen to be there ...

        I found a colleague in the GSVG in my classmates, after being replaced he served in the Search and Rescue Unit of cosmonauts, retired, settled in Kiev. Both were glad that they found each other. My question is: “What is going on with you?” in a career: “Putin is a fascist, Russia is an aggressor!” I had balls on my forehead, it was useless to argue. An active Internet user, which prevented him from looking for information opposite to chocolate, but he is not comfortable with the one that presents a fairy tale about the sweet life in Europe. He went to Hanover for treatment, he is not a poor man, and apparently he had the impression of being a tourist. A fairy tale in a dream, reality ahead. fool
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 August 2014 16: 34
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      Not all residents of Ukraine have the opportunity to access the internet, especially in villages and small towns. The most brainwashed are TV and (in my opinion) the newspaper Today, which is in fact the most popular. Just yesterday, in arshin letters - "Russian invasion of Ukraine!" And they begin to give examples about the invasion of Russian troops, and the words of NATO, and it seems that the OSCE and the UN recognized the invasion, all countries supported ... In another newspaper, Vesti, there are refutations and completely different data are given, but ... one newspaper, you know which one ...

      So not only in Ukraine, fortunately in Russia the editorial boards of the media are freer (the law prohibits owners from interfering in the editorial policy, they can only hire a manager) than in Ukraine or in the USA (the only thing for which I can say thanks to the tagged and EBN).
  32. Old Siberian
    Old Siberian 30 August 2014 12: 03
    0
    Let the Poles eat their apples, if only the diarrhea would not catch.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 August 2014 16: 44
      0
      Quote: Old Siberian
      Let the Poles eat their apples, if only the diarrhea would not catch.

      Well, do you already feel sorry for them? Let them poop, clean, this is useful.
  33. Rostislav
    Rostislav 30 August 2014 12: 14
    +2
    The article is worthy of "+" not only for the final anecdote.
  34. tank64rus
    tank64rus 30 August 2014 12: 20
    +3
    When ukra bored Barack and the mess. God forbid Chernobyl will cover everyone, then the races will be throughout Europe.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 August 2014 16: 46
      0
      Quote: tank64rus
      When ukra bored Barack and the mess. God forbid Chernobyl will cover everyone, then the races will be throughout Europe.

      Then there will be no leaps, but mass emigration away from radiation, to the same USA, for example.
    2. sgazeev
      sgazeev 31 August 2014 14: 39
      0
      [quote = tank64rus] When will ukra get tired of Barack and the mess. God forbid Chernobyl will cover everyone, then the races will be all over Europe. Europe forgot in 1986. If the Zaporizhzhya NPP explodes in the summer, the cloud can follow the path of Chernobyl. Europe is oh ...
  35. Signature
    Signature 30 August 2014 12: 21
    +6
    Since deliberate nonsense in our coordinate system looks like large-caliber cleverness in the opposite system (we mock Psaki - and at her place she is a responsible employee of the foreign policy department, maybe even an irreplaceable oracle), - somewhere "white" in another place on duty serves as "black". So righteous deeds do not always lead to an increase in world popularity (this is with regard to Russia), and hopeless stupidity and endless lies (and this is about official Ukraine) - a ticket to the dustbin of history. If someone consistently makes mistakes, but they do not turn away from him at all, then this may already be a multipolar world, but built not at all on the principles of goodness and justice.
    So there is no certainty that in the context under consideration, the quantity (that is, an uncountable number of ukronelposti) is successfully transformed into a new respectable quality (and everything will "settle down").
    To the author for the material - bow and thanks!
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 30 August 2014 12: 37
      +4
      Put it simply, here not all stators are distinguished from the rotor. laughing
      1. Signature
        Signature 30 August 2014 12: 51
        +2
        Once in one newspaper they practically scolded "for the stator and rotor", and then they called back (the chief editor scolded them) and said (practically offended): nothing, somehow, we will "pull up" the people. Since then, a bad habit has taken hold, despite the complexity of communication.
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac 30 August 2014 16: 49
        +1
        Quote: Barracuda
        Put it simply, here not all stators are distinguished from the rotor. laughing

        Like, many institutions did not graduate? what request
        1. Signature
          Signature 30 August 2014 17: 26
          +1
          Banality, of course, but the purest truth: it is not an institution that makes a person.
          And even sometimes everything happens in the reverse order.
          love
        2. Barakuda
          Barakuda 30 August 2014 22: 59
          0
          Yes, that’s not the point, the institute is not an indicator. You must probably speak the language in which the interlocutors understand you.
          1. sgazeev
            sgazeev 31 August 2014 14: 47
            0
            Quote: Barracuda
            Yes, that’s not the point, the institute is not an indicator. You must probably speak the language in which the interlocutors understand you.

            There is only one conclusion, lie more, maybe they will believe and everything will be settled. This theory is good for fagots from Paris. They lied, got the First, continued to lie, got the Second, continue to lie, get the Ruin.
  36. tan0472
    tan0472 30 August 2014 12: 40
    +6
    The author of the article talks about economic problems. In my opinion, moral problems are much worse. The people united before this war can divide for a very long time (if not forever) primarily psychologically. Residents of Ukraine for many decades will see the enemy in Russia. Many have already died relatives and they are told that Russia is to blame. It is in this that I see the main tragedy of this war. The economy can be restored. Souls are much more difficult to heal.
    1. Signature
      Signature 30 August 2014 13: 07
      +3
      There was no unity (there is a long experience of observation). Since the beginning of the 90s, they began to "drag and drop" into the Ukrainian language, and in fact, the Ukrainian speakers throughout the "Edyna ..." - no more than 30%. Some were sentenced to think that they are "soul and salt", while others - that "second grade and dirt". Exaggeration, of course. But it's actually very close to that.
      And why should a ban on a native name be imposed? After all, this is the language spoken by Tolstoy, Chekhov, Dostoevsky, by which all "civilized mankind" was subdued. The language in which the "best Ukrainian" wrote about the most personal, that is, Shevchenko (although now there are many contenders for the role of the "best", including Buddha and Christ).
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 30 August 2014 23: 14
        +4
        Maybe it's late, but I'll be back.
        We in Hohland were forced to learn - Stator rotor - tough and riser. The entire course of 90 people. hammer a bolt. Anyone who passes the diploma in Ukrainian will receive an extra point, they have all taken over.
        Skydiver - Spadun. Basketball basket - raking.
        And the initiator, do not believe it, kicked out .. the professor .. And against 100 people you can’t argue.
        As it was at dur.kam tell that the language of science - RUSSIAN, English, French, German.
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 31 August 2014 14: 56
          +1
          Quote: Barracuda
          Maybe it's late, but I'll be back.
          We in Hohland were forced to learn - Stator rotor - tough and riser. The entire course of 90 people. hammer a bolt. Anyone who passes the diploma in Ukrainian will receive an extra point, they have all taken over.
          Skydiver - Spadun. Basketball basket - raking.
          And the initiator, do not believe it, kicked out .. the professor .. And against 100 people you can’t argue.
          As it was at dur.kam tell that the language of science - RUSSIAN, English, French, German.

          Spalahuyka - lighter
          Zalupіvka - butterfly
          Mіzhpoverkhovy drotohіd - elevator
          Chakhlik is not immovable - koshchei immortal
          Pisunky villain - a sex maniac
          Picoglyad - mirror
          Yayko-spodіvayko - kinder surprise
          Sikovichovichuvalka - juicer
          Puporizka - midwife
          Shtrikalka - nurse
          Pisyunets - teapot
          Підсрічник - chair
          Bachik - TV
          Korkotyag - corkscrew
          Darmovis - tie
          Roschepіrka - umbrella
          Pihvoznavstvo - gynecology
          Tsyutsyurkovy villain - onanist
          Gumovy natsyutsyurnik - a condom
          Roschepіrka - umbrella
          Skrynka perepikhuntsіv - gearbox
          Pіdoma - lifting structure
          A worthy person - a high-ranking person
          Zgoloshuvatis - to reveal a desire
          Vizbirovati - collect everything to the smallest
          Chitanka - a book for reading
          Dmukhalo - a small heater with a fan.
          Lupizdriki - seeds
          Mirilo - scale
          Viymachka - fly
          Shlyak bi ti traf - what would a stroke break you ...
          Fertility - polite
          Ivan-Kolivan - Vanka-Vstanka
          Фіглі-міглі - shura-moors
          Upir is a vampire
          Tsitskotrimach - bra
          Nails - Nails
        2. lex loci
          lex loci 1 September 2014 15: 24
          0
          Particularly impressive is the cool and the riser. "Steep riser" you understand .....
  37. Irkit
    Irkit 30 August 2014 12: 55
    +1
    Gakashka this war. :(
    I entered my last name into a search engine, and found several 'relatives' and all unfortunately from the Lviv region. (Grandfather was exiled during the 2nd MV) And when I see one of them has an avatar with EU and UK flags: (you know, I really don't want to write.
    Watch a better movie:
    [media = http: //tvfru.ru/load/filmy_online/biografija/svobodnaja_ehnergija_tesly/1
    5-1-0-5614]
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 31 August 2014 14: 58
      +1
      [quote = IrkIt] Gakashka this war. :(
      I entered my last name into a search engine, and found several 'relatives' and all unfortunately from the Lviv region. (Grandfather was exiled during the 2nd MV) And when I see one of them has an avatar with EU and UK flags: (you know, I really don't want to write.
      Svitlina - photo
      Jerking - Teasing
      Gvintokril - helicopter
      Koshikivka - basketball
      Grinchak - a polyhedron
      Gnedysko- cheburashka
      Rip-rip - bench press
      Shishirhnuti - rustle, rustle
      Shpakuvatiy - half-gray
      Tsutsik-nishporka - sniffer dog
      Bezkhatchenko - homeless
      1. Irkit
        Irkit 31 August 2014 20: 55
        0
        I like immortal Cauchy
        non-retentive: D
  38. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 30 August 2014 13: 01
    +6
    the article did not put either a plus or a minus. Let me explain why - about Ukraine more or less everything converges, but for Russia the forecast is too "pink". The sanctions on Russia will have a more serious impact than the author describes. This will become possible both thanks to past mistakes made by the Russian elites (not to be confused with the real elite), liberal and oligarchic groups represented in the practical leadership of the country, but also due to overt and secret "well-wishers" of Russia's prosperity within the country itself. Some will slow down progressive projects in every possible way, others will strengthen the export of capital from the country instead of domestic investment, etc. Our country needs to prepare for worse consequences than it seems to us by the Russian media, often controlled by "well-wishers," there is one of the elements of the destabilization of the situation in Russia and the subsequent overthrow of the legitimate government headed by GDP. As Y. Fuchik called: "People - be vigilant!" soldier
  39. Byshido_dis
    Byshido_dis 30 August 2014 13: 59
    0
    As far as I remember, all of Europe and the United States have been delivering spent fuel to Russia for 20 years already ... Moreover, under an agreement with the United States, they are brought in airtight containers that categorically cannot be opened to the employees of the repositories. Those. it may contain both spent fuel and a charge with explosives. We get a denyuuuuuuuuuuuuu for this, and close Europe calm. And the states get rid of waste that will last several million years and the environment will be better for them.
  40. Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 August 2014 14: 29
    +3
    C'mon, the bullshit was crying. The ruinia was just the beginning of a big mess. There, the ruble dived like never before. For those who work with foreign trade activities, this is not very fun. Because as one FIG, all currencies are converted through the dollar. The fact that the Ruins of Kapets is beyond doubt. Just a question about the extent of this fuck. And this already depends on the people who inhabit at least Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson and Odessa regions. If one rises and kicks out Natsik now, recovery will begin. If they sit and wait, they will squeeze everything to the last from them.
    1. alien50
      alien50 30 August 2014 15: 11
      +2
      It was predicted back in February. That all areas to the Dnieper inclusively depart from the Outskirts ...
  41. Glavspez
    Glavspez 30 August 2014 15: 17
    +2
    More hooked man giving interviews. Gutar consciously.
  42. andr327
    andr327 30 August 2014 15: 41
    +3
    in the EU it is good if there is money. And money must be earned, i.e. to do something material. The situation of the 90s in Russia - on the shelves a lot of beautiful packaging, but there is no way to buy: no money.
    In the USSR, the shelves were empty - people had money and swept everything away.
    and you don’t sell your heads anymore. since they are completely without reason and no one needs.
  43. mithridate
    mithridate 30 August 2014 18: 42
    +2
    a purely Ukrainian solution - to turn your country into a free repository of radiation waste from the west to spite Russia
  44. novobranets
    novobranets 30 August 2014 19: 17
    +2
    So believe Bandera.
    Ukrainian punishers surrendered to the mercy of the militias and hit them in the back. The first groups of Ukrainian security officials who fell into a cauldron near Ilovaisk surrendered to the mercy of the militia and left the encirclement. Bandera answered the saviors with a stab in the back.
    Do not release them in this case. Destroy the pigs.
  45. skeptic2999
    skeptic2999 30 August 2014 23: 41
    +1
    Quote: tan0472
    The author of the article talks about economic problems. In my opinion, moral problems are much worse. The people united before this war can divide for a very long time (if not forever) primarily psychologically. Residents of Ukraine for many decades will see the enemy in Russia. Many have already died relatives and they are told that Russia is to blame. It is in this that I see the main tragedy of this war. The economy can be restored. Souls are much more difficult to heal.

    Yes, this is the worst thing. This is exactly what, in addition to military-political and economic dividends, the US authorities are seeking. And you can only fight this by telling Ukrainians the truth. And this is possible only in the event of the collapse of the junta and the approval of the authorities in Kiev by adequate people, like those who in Novorossiya chose the motto for the coat of arms: "Will and Labor."
  46. voliador
    voliador 31 August 2014 00: 03
    +1
    The second nail in the coffin of the Ukrainian economy can also be "drawn" from the sanctions. And it consists in the fact that Ukraine may lose the reputation of a predictable and contracting and capable of fulfilling the obligations of a partner.

    What, in fu, fame? They had already destroyed everything when they stole our gas!
  47. ivanfly
    ivanfly 31 August 2014 09: 30
    +1
    Danelia "KIN DZA DZA", planet PLYUK. This is about Peyunu, and his ukroDURDOM.