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Israeli unmanned vehicle Guardium

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While civil society is deciding whether to allow the use of unmanned vehicles, the military have already made their choice. Israel has created and used UAVs to patrol the border. The Israeli land drone was first demonstrated back in 2009, at an exhibition in the UK capital. At an exhibition in London, the company G-NIUS, which is owned by the large Israeli military companies Elbit Maarakhot (Elbit Systems) and Taariya Avirit (Israel Aerospace Industries), presented its advanced development - the unmanned ground vehicle UGV unmanned vehicle (unmanned ground vehicle).

This car was commissioned by the Israeli army in 2009 year. Since then, he is the first and only mass-produced car of this type, which is in annual operation in combat conditions. The Guardium land drone was built on the base of a buggy chassis, but not of a civilian version, but of a military vehicle. Such buggies specifically for the special operations units are produced by the American company TOMCAR. Famous buggies from this company have been used by the IDF to patrol Israeli borders for more than 30 years. The chassis for Tomcar are currently manufactured in Australia.

UAV has received an automated tactical positioning system, and can also be operated autonomously in off-road conditions. The car is able to accelerate to 80 km / h, while the drone can also carry a payload weighing up to 300 kg, including easy booking, which covers vital machine systems. In this case, the combat weight of the device is 1400 kg.

Israeli unmanned vehicle Guardium

This unmanned vehicle can even be equipped with combat or non-lethal weapons, which can be operated by a machine operator from a special command center. Usually, an 40-mm automatic grenade launcher and a large-caliber 12,7-mm machine gun are mounted on the vehicle. If necessary, an unmanned buggy can be fitted with an armored shield, a device for throwing grenades with tear gas, as well as a six-barreled machine gun and other types of weapons.

However, the main thing weapon futuristic drone is a set of special sensors, which include a thermal imager with automatic targeting and capture, a video camera, a microphone, as well as strong loudspeakers to provide two-way radio. In this case, the unmanned vehicle can operate separately or move with the infantry. In the second case, it is controlled by a special portable terminal; one of the soldiers of the combat unit controls the vehicle. In the first case, the control resembles the control of the UAV as much as possible and is carried out from a special control center.

UGV is equipped with a four-stroke diesel engine Lombardini, which is paired with a continuously variable variator. In addition, Guardium has an anti-squat effect. The peculiarity of this effect lies in the fact that during acceleration the longitudinal lever is displaced, which raises the body, as a result of which, during acceleration, the car does not goat, which means it behaves better on rough terrain and is more manageable. The car is very well adapted for off-road driving. It has an 38-centimeter ground clearance, minimal overhangs and an 34-centimeter suspension travel. At the same time, with the total length of the 295 car cm. The length of the wheelbase is 202 cm. All this makes the Guardium an excellent SUV that feels great in the Middle Eastern deserts.


A feature of the Guardium car is that it can independently carry out patrols on a given route, including in very rough terrain, without the participation of the operator. The machine operates in autopilot mode. The second interesting feature of this robot is its “self-learning” and the ability to independently choose a tactically important patrol zone, taking into account a sudden change in disposition.

Persons who are allowed to drive a Guardium vehicle are subject to the following requirements:
- the presence of the right to drive a vehicle and driving experience with both automatic and manual gearboxes;
- good knowledge of car mechanics;
- good vision;
- the ability to work in a very intense mode and be actually “glued” to the screen, on which the unmanned vehicle displays a picture of the observation.

Working with UGV Guardium is preceded by passing special training courses lasting 4 a month. From the control center, the car can be controlled using joysticks, which are responsible for turning the steering wheel and pressing the pedals. It is noteworthy that most of the military personnel who have undergone professional selection are women.


According to the press service of the IDF, the Guardium is effective:
- to detect suspicious persons in the Gaza Strip who are approaching the separation barrier with Israel;
- to detect traces of illegal crossing of the Israeli border;
- to find the entrances to the underground tunnels that connect the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula and are used by smugglers and terrorists;
- to detect suspicious subjects who dig holes in the immediate vicinity of the "security fence";
- for recognition of explosive devices, for their detection the car is equipped with a wide range of special equipment and surveillance cameras.

After 5 August 2012 was damaged, the vehicle’s “security fence” carried out 80-hour continuous patrols of Israel’s border with Egypt and the Gaza Strip. The patrols were carried out until the barrier was fully restored. Currently, the Guardium vehicle continues to patrol the borders of the Jewish state; the exact number of vehicles used by the Israeli army is unknown.

This land drone can patrol independently, but it is most effective as a means of supporting foot patrols. “We are counting on our infantry when things get particularly“ hot ”, but the infantrymen also rely on us. This is a symbiosis, - emphasize in the unit of IDFM UAVs. Currently, Guardium is most useful on the borders with Lebanon and the Gaza Strip, in those places where the penetration of smugglers, terrorists and spies into the territory of Israel seems to be the most realistic.


It is worth noting that Israel is expanding the use of unmanned aerial vehicles in its ground forces. So in the framework of the operation "Unbreakable rock" the army of Israel for the first time used its armored personnel carrier M113, equipped with a remote control system. Tests of the first unmanned armored personnel carrier were held in the area of ​​Khirbet Ahza, in which soldiers from the Givati ​​Brigade operated. Tracked armored personnel carrier M113 without a driver and crew can carry up to 4 tons of cargo, reaching speeds up to 50 km / h. The machine was used to transport weapons, food and ammunition. To control the unmanned M113 used command car, which was located on the border of the Gaza Strip. In this car were specially trained servicemen of a company of unmanned vehicles.

The Israel Defense Forces use land-based unmanned vehicles since the 2009 year, but they have not previously been used to transport goods. Guardium unmanned vehicles patrolling the border have received the nickname “the right partner” in the IDF. Thanks to modern video surveillance systems, this machine is able to work in any climatic conditions, day and night. According to the commander of the robotic patrol unit, these cars can save a lot of money, and also save the lives of the Israeli military.






Information sources:
http://warspot.ru/ru/articles/524-avtomobil-bespilotnik-guardium
http://www.zr.ru/images/articles/544959-bespilotnyje_avtomobili_prizvali_na_borbu_s_terroristami/544959-hgoong8sq9i9090sygmz%20660x320
http://www.postsovet.ru/blog/russia/498940.html
http://thebrigade.thechive.com/2014/08/26/no-driver-needed-for-the-guardium-ugv-39-photos (фото)
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  1. ehan
    ehan 29 August 2014 09: 53
    +18
    What is striking in the Israelis is how a state the size of a small region of Russia manages not only to provide a high standard of living for its citizens, but also to create advanced military developments and maintain one of the best armies in the world. Enviously, to be honest ... Serdyukov is not on you ...
    1. Ayujak
      Ayujak 29 August 2014 09: 56
      +10
      You can’t say that. It is necessary to adopt experience.
      1. Civil
        Civil 29 August 2014 10: 59
        +5
        Quote: AYUJAK
        You can’t say that. It is necessary to adopt experience.

        Not to adopt but transmit, for example Serdyukov with Chubais, can be in several parts.
        1. aktanir
          aktanir 29 August 2014 13: 08
          +3
          after the recent demonstration of the Russian wretched "samovar" called "Shatun" (it sounded like that), developing "as much" 20 km per hour, you will simply admire this Israeli device. Unfortunately, ours have nothing to brag about yet. Although one does not need to be a visionary to not know what the future is for robotics.
    2. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 29 August 2014 10: 09
      +3
      Jews are great - they can knock out resources from America both for war and for the development of science, industry and the economy. and you thought everything was so simple ... laughing
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 29 August 2014 14: 16
        0
        Do not get rotten for the analogy with a sort of unmanned vehicle? laughing :
    3. ruslan207
      ruslan207 29 August 2014 14: 19
      0
      ehan-And that this discovery of belaz unmanned dump trucks has been producing cars for a long time in Germany and has traveled thousands of kilometers
    4. hasanov8383
      hasanov8383 29 August 2014 15: 28
      0
      This is because not a single Israel is working on this. Almost the whole West helps them in this.
    5. Victor-cort
      Victor-cort 30 August 2014 08: 52
      0
      Quote: ehan
      What is striking in the Israelis is how a state the size of a small region of Russia manages not only to provide a high standard of living for its citizens, but also to create advanced military developments and maintain one of the best armies in the world. Enviously, to be honest ... Serdyukov is not on you ...

      They have no way out, either a normal army and state or death .... and they also have no oil :)
      And in vain you are so on our army, it perfectly copes with its main task - "mastering" the budget :)
      1. klaus16
        klaus16 19 September 2014 12: 54
        +1
        There is a remedy against this thing. A pair of Karelins creep imperceptibly, and the miracle apparatus is turned over. All. Well, or just fill in the entire mounting foam, quietly.
  2. Ayujak
    Ayujak 29 August 2014 09: 54
    +1
    I wonder if it is possible to take control? Militants, too, do not sit still.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 29 August 2014 10: 49
      +1
      Quote: AYUJAK
      Is it possible to take control?

      So my question immediately arose about this.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 August 2014 10: 54
        +7
        Taking control of a drone is almost impossible. Listen less Iranians
        1. Professor
          Professor 29 August 2014 11: 22
          +8
          Quote: Spade
          Taking control of a drone is almost impossible. Listen less Iranians

          It is useless to explain. Most do not even understand that drowning out a communication channel is a trivial thing, if at all possible.
          1. bmv04636
            bmv04636 29 August 2014 11: 37
            +1
            For the first time, Iranian television aired the latest American RQ-170 drone, also known as the "Kandahar Beast", which fell into the hands of the Iranians in early December. The video, titled "American RQ170 spy plane," aired on the first channel of Iranian state television, BBC reports. The footage shows the Iranian military examining the drone, which has no visible damage. Its wingspan is about 26 meters, its length is 4,6 meters. According to military observers, the intact appearance of the "drone" confirms Iran's claim that it managed to intercept control of it electronically and land the device on its territory.
            Read more here: http://ru.tsn.ua/svit/iran-pokazal-zahvachennyy-sekretnyy-bespilotnik-ssha-kanda
            garskogo-zverya.html
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 August 2014 12: 00
              +4
              "Military Observers" say a lot. For example, that MANPADS from Ukrainian warehouses cannot shoot at Ukrainian planes.

              With a probability close to one, everything was like this: the "car base", the use of which was often talked about during the interception, detected the operation of the drone equipment for transmission. The interceptor aircraft was brought to these coordinates. He, flying past this relatively light UAV, violated control. The robot could not cope with the aerodynamic disturbances, the apparatus fell hard on its belly. It is not worth talking about the "intactness" of the drone closed in all the pictures from below.
            2. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 29 August 2014 12: 35
              +8
              Quote: bmv04636
              As military observers point out, the intact appearance of the "drone" confirms Iran's claim that it managed to take control of it electronically ...

              Any programmer will explain to you that breaking a 256 bit channel encoding in real time is impossible.
              We are dealing with commonplace engine failure at low altitudes, it is possible for a bird to enter the air intake or fly stupidly through a sandstorm.
              And the fact that for the first time they showed him with hastily glued wings and a hidden bottom suggests that he crashed decently and sank with a belly on the ground.


              And then we are dealing with a solid Plexiglass model, the color is not the same, there are no seams, there are no access hatches for the equipment, rivets hiding the wheels from the inside layout, and the chassis doors are obscenely made with a thickness of wrapping cardboard and without a frame of rigidity. Natural pornography.


              Especially delivered from a reverse engineering application. laughing
              1. Professor
                Professor 29 August 2014 12: 45
                +10
                Quote: And Us Rat
                And then what he showed for the first time with hastily glued wings

                The Persians themselves unscrewed the wings, otherwise they could not have transported it to the Mi-8. They couldn’t fasten it and stuck it with sticky tape.
                1. Egor65g
                  Egor65g 29 August 2014 14: 45
                  +4
                  Ha ha ha laughing I like your sense of humor!
                2. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 29 August 2014 15: 09
                  0
                  Firstly, he did not sit down properly (he was actually shot down) because his wings fell off.
                  Secondly, in your picture there is only a model of an American UAV made by the Iranians (below is a full shot) so that it’s enough to invent fairy tales again (representatives of a superpower) smile
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 30 August 2014 15: 16
                    0
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Firstly, he did not sit down properly (he was actually shot down) because his wings fell off.

                    You, as always, are not in the subject. The Persian wings themselves cut off for transportation.

                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Secondly, in your picture there is only a model of an American UAV

                    Again the layout? What an annoyance. Either a mock airplane model, then a mock drone. A dummy of some kind of army they get.

                    Tehran will begin flight tests of an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), created by Iranian engineers on the basis of the modern American drone RQ-2011 captured in 170, the Fars Iranian agency reported on Monday, May 12.
              2. TOR2
                TOR2 31 August 2014 17: 44
                +1
                Quote: And Us Rat
                Any programmer will explain to you that breaking a 256 bit channel encoding in real time is impossible.
                Is it also impossible to "beat" packets in real time?
          2. ruslan207
            ruslan207 29 August 2014 15: 29
            +2
            Professor everything is possible if this is the creation of human hands
  3. Lopatov
    Lopatov 29 August 2014 10: 52
    +2
    As for me, not a very successful little car.
    I would pay more attention not to glamor, but to universality. I made the car modular, because there is a lot to hang on it. Georadar for engineering intelligence, full intelligence. module on a lifting platform, module for seismic exploration, tunnels to calculate. Manipulator to dig up the VCA. The combat module in the end ...
    1. DanG73
      DanG73 29 August 2014 11: 13
      +8
      Quote: Spade
      As for me, not a very successful little car.
      I would pay more attention to not glamor,


      There is also less glamorous, sharpened for other missions
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 August 2014 12: 03
        +2
        Quote: DanG73
        There is also less glamorous, sharpened for other missions

        Is she there?

        Since then, it is the first and only mass-produced car of this type, which is in annual operation in combat conditions.
        1. DanG73
          DanG73 29 August 2014 12: 37
          +4
          As you said, "it is the first and only mass-produced car." it is said to be used in regular and daily missions.
          I meant and wrote "tailored for other missions"
          Here's another example of a robotic trolley for transporting cargo and transporting the wounded.
    2. Professor
      Professor 29 August 2014 11: 29
      +4
      Quote: Spade
      I would pay more attention not to glamor, but to universality.

      For these purposes, there is a good old M113.
      Cling what you want.


      Or such a platform:
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 August 2014 12: 04
        0
        Quote: Professor
        For these purposes, there is a good old M113.

        It is too big for this kind of work.
        1. Professor
          Professor 29 August 2014 12: 48
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          It is too big for this kind of work.

          But they are in warehouses like uncut sabak. Remaking is worth a penny. Who needs less to eat with a payload of 1200 kg:
          Israeli hybrid robot for particularly dangerous missions carrying capacity 1,2 tons
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 August 2014 13: 12
            0
            Quote: Professor
            But they are in warehouses like uncut sabak.

            Eat a lot, for daily patrols are not applicable.
            1. Professor
              Professor 29 August 2014 13: 15
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              Eat a lot, for daily patrols are not applicable.

              War is expensive. Eats a lot? Here is a hybrid with a carrying capacity of 1200 kg. He eats very, very little. Or do you think this is again "cut"? wink
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 August 2014 14: 32
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                War is expensive.

                What kind of war? These cars are for everyday patrolling
                1. Professor
                  Professor 30 August 2014 15: 23
                  -1
                  Quote: Spade
                  What kind of war? These cars are for everyday patrolling

                  Border patrols where they periodically shoot, undermine IEDs and abduct soldiers.
    3. Denimax
      Denimax 29 August 2014 15: 24
      0
      Solar panels would not hurt to weigh. Then, the Lunokhods and Mars rovers could remain in the patrol zone for months.
  4. Bquunited
    Bquunited 29 August 2014 11: 06
    -1
    A couple of shots from Lobanovsky large-caliber rifles, KERDYK !!!
    1. Professor
      Professor 29 August 2014 11: 30
      +9
      Quote: bqunited
      A couple of shots from Lobanovsky large-caliber rifles, KERDYK !!!

      ... did the funeral go to the parents?
    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 29 August 2014 12: 52
      +5
      Quote: bqunited
      A couple of shots from Lobanovsky large-caliber rifles, KERDYK !!!

      On a moving target bouncing on bumps? laughing You can transfer the ammunition box without hitting an important unit. (Considering that important units are armored just for this case. People who consider themselves smarter than engineers developing similar devices amuse themselves).

      By the way ... (mast with balls - a firing point detection device)

      Want to shoot him? laughing
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 August 2014 13: 07
        +2
        Quote: And Us Rat
        On a moving target bouncing on bumps?

        And what, in the Israeli army they do not shoot at moving objects?

        We learned during the Second World War, when with the help of the PTR from the "moving, bouncing on bumps" tanks, goslings were removed.

        By the way ... (mast with balls - a firing point detection device)

        I know. The problem is solved by a muffler.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 29 August 2014 13: 33
          +4
          Quote: Spade
          And what, in the Israeli army they do not shoot at moving objects?

          They shoot, but to shoot from a rifleman on a drone is like catching a fly with chopsticks, you can rid it out and not damage anything important. ATGMs or GHGs will be much more effective.

          Quote: Spade
          I know. The problem is solved by a muffler.

          It does not dare, checked by the carcasses of Hamas, they think they are Rambo, except to shoot from the MSS or from a crossbow.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 August 2014 14: 37
            0
            Quote: And Us Rat
            They shoot, but to shoot from a rifleman on a drone is like catching a fly with chopsticks, you can rid it out and not damage anything important

            Shooting is different. And this drone is clearly not small, the sniper trained on people will work perfectly for him.


            Quote: And Us Rat
            It does not dare, checked by the carcasses of Hamas, they think they are Rambo, except to shoot from the MSS or from a crossbow.

            Almost PSS. Only the caliber is a little bigger 12.7
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 29 August 2014 15: 21
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              Almost PSS. Only the caliber is a little bigger 12.7

              And the noise is an order of magnitude higher. This is an anti-terrorist weapon, but only a suicide will climb against it with a high-tech anti-sniper complex of measures. Detect and plop, with a guarantee.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 August 2014 20: 10
                0
                Quote: And Us Rat
                but against the high-tech anti-sniper complex

                You do not have it. So head ... Try to negotiate with the French. Ours are unlikely to sell you something modern.
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 30 August 2014 01: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  but against the high-tech anti-sniper complex

                  You do not have it. So head ... Try to negotiate with the French. Ours are unlikely to sell you something modern.

                  Actually, I use pictures mainly of our equipment, so far you buy it from the French, we produce our own. And yours are not yet able to sell us anything interesting. (Except for rocket engines, perhaps)

                  Py.Sy. - Our anti-sniper systems have been exported for a long time.
                  SpotLite-P - electro-optical.
                  SADS is acoustic.
              2. AndreyS
                AndreyS 2 September 2014 18: 12
                -1
                Quote: And Us Rat
                And the noise is an order of magnitude higher.

                Have you personally experienced ?! Where does such information come from ?! Especially by an order. This thing is called ICS Exhaust, the optimum firing range is 400 m, it pierces a concrete block of more than 20 cm. By the way, at a distance of 30-40 meters, a shot is not heard. And the high-tech anti-sniper complex is designed for a shot from an ordinary rifle (since from a distance of 100 meters you can’t hear a shot from a noiseless noise on the ground, there are a lot of extraneous noise)
        2. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 30 August 2014 21: 06
          0
          Quote: Spade
          I know. The problem is solved by a muffler.


          Let me say that the "muffler" works in tandem with a sound cartridge, that is, you will have to shoot 50 meters from a distance,
          to save at least something from a so weak cartridge.

          you have a good decision, nothing to say.
      2. TOR2
        TOR2 31 August 2014 17: 54
        +2
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Do you want to shoot him

        Yes, for a start on the road by organizing a small "wolf pit". Very cheap and cheerful.
  5. bmv04636
    bmv04636 29 August 2014 11: 43
    +1
    Well on TV they show how two teams compete with each other using remotely controlled machines. As I understand it, the car can remember the route and patrol it itself according to the program, but how it will respond to an emergency situation.
    A team of scientists has created an artificial intelligence program that successfully mimics the identity of a 13-year-old boy. Russian scientists have managed to create an almost reliable computer simulation of the human mind. The program they developed, called Eugene, won the UK cyber intelligence contest, which took place in Bletchley Park, the main encryption center of the Second World War.
    Russian scientists have managed to create an almost reliable computer simulation of the human mind. The program they developed, called Eugene, won the UK cyber intelligence contest, which took place in Bletchley Park, the main encryption center of the Second World War.
    The programs presented at the competition passed the Turing test (named after the British mathematician Alan Turing, who laid the foundations of modern computer technology) - the so-called "simulation game".
    Its essence is as follows: a person, communicating with several secret interlocutors, must determine which of them is a computer program. Live communication is now considered the most daunting task for artificial intelligence. Therefore, according to the Turing test, if a machine manages to “trick” a person into answering at least 30% of the questions asked, this means that it successfully imitates a person.
    The British test involved 29 judges, 25 “secret interlocutors” sitting in a separate room, and five “chat bots” - computer programs created specifically to conduct a reasonable dialogue. A total of 150 separate dialogues were held.
    The victory was won by the Eugene program developed by the Russian team, which imitates the identity of a 13-year-old boy, ntv.ru reports with reference to The Telegraph. She came close to the cherished milestone of 30%, not having gained just 0,8%.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 29 August 2014 12: 44
      +2
      Actually, the entire program is called "Evgeny Gustman".
      Its developers work at Princeton University of America. They live there too.
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    1. Death Nik1
      Death Nik1 29 August 2014 12: 05
      +1
      Quote: Analgin
      It’s a good machine, though it looks somewhat toyy (the chassis device doesn’t seem quite reliable), but it’s good.


      It is necessary to understand the concept of the use of such vehicles. His fate is one - to die the death of the brave. and by his death to ensure the identification and destruction of the enemy. This car does not need strong armor or expensive chips. Then one friend wrote that the car can be knocked out of a large-caliber gun. Of course it is possible. And what will happen next? Similar cars do not operate alone. Automation will detect the location of the shot. And almost in automatic mode they will return fire destroying the fighter. A damaged vehicle will be repaired in a day or two. That's all.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 August 2014 12: 13
        +2
        Quote: Smert Nik1
        Similar cars do not operate alone. Automation will detect the location of the shot. And almost in automatic mode they will return fire destroying the fighter.

        Light up the optics. Apply not just one, but several. Mine approaches to the scene and leave. Everything is solvable.

        Wunderwaffe does not exist. And attempts to create it are similar to attempts to invent a perpetual motion machine.
        1. slavbag
          slavbag 29 August 2014 12: 30
          0
          Of course - the paratrooper is better. He will have time to dodge the bullet and cover his eyes from the laser, then use the scent of explosives to identify further on the list.

          There is an international competition of commandos. Penetration into enclosed spaces is shown. The American walks to the door and knocks it out with a single kick. Then the Russian comes up and knocks the door with one blow of his hand. Then a third commando comes up and ... opens the door with a key sticking out of it. American and Russian with a grin: - And where did you come from so smart? - From Mossad
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 August 2014 13: 00
            +6
            The Russian commando is likely to turn away from the door and climb through the chimney. The guys I came across are guys with very original thinking. So do not portray them stupid.

            A real, not from a joke, case from a competition. Swim march with overcoming a water obstacle. Each cargo is in the form of sand. The only ones who guessed to buy a box of condoms in the store and to fill the sand in them so that they would not get water and get heavier were ours.
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 29 August 2014 13: 27
          +4
          Quote: Spade
          Light up the optics. Apply not just one, but several. Mine approaches to the scene and leave. Everything is solvable.


          Stone Age. laughing This tactic only against the Papuans is good.

          The firing point is automatically detected by the sound in real time, transfers the coordinates to the UAV which the arrow detects with a thermal imager and SAR detector and drops a homing surprise on his head, or highlights a homing missile \ mine \ bomb \ missile (of your choice).
          On his "mined approaches" the drone is deeply violet, and he won't let him go.


          Direction finder:
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 August 2014 14: 45
            0
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Stone Age. This tactic only against the Papuans is good.

            Exactly. And if you face a high-tech adversary, then these delights will no longer help
            You cannot detect a silent rifle, you will not find much with a blinded optic. You decided that I was talking about such commonplace as a smoke screen? No, complexes that detect and suppress optics have appeared in the USSR even in the USSR. And now they have returned to the troops.
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 29 August 2014 15: 27
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              No, complexes that detect and suppress optics have appeared in the USSR even in the USSR. And now they have returned to the troops.

              I’m wondering how you complex optics (by the way, the car with this fool will be after the sniper, short dashes? laughing ), gathered to suppress acoustic direction finder? laughing
              Py.Sy. - and the UAV will not notice the shooter, the Chumudan will arrive earlier than the sniper will understand what is revealed. request
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 August 2014 20: 05
                +2
                Quote: And Us Rat
                I’m wondering how you complex optics (by the way, the car with this fool will be after the sniper, short dashes? laughing )

                They were still wearable under the USSR.

                Quote: And Us Rat
                going to suppress the acoustic direction finder?

                Read carefully, from the acoustics the muffler will perfectly help. An infrared detection device is more dangerous, but easily suppressed.

                Quote: And Us Rat
                Py.Sy. - and the UAV will not notice the shooter, the Chumudan will arrive earlier than the sniper will understand what is revealed.

                Oddly enough, but the drone also has optical systems, and can also be easily detected and its optics can be suppressed.
        3. DanG73
          DanG73 29 August 2014 14: 35
          +6
          Quote: Spade
          [
          Light up the optics. Apply not just one, but several. Mine approaches to the scene and leave. Everything is solvable.



          And all this for one dronemobile ??? You need at least a few people and improvised means. In addition, after all these actions, the location of the group will be established. And you forget that in addition to drones, drones circling above them, whose payload includes air-to-ground missiles.
          So tell me why the hell, you need to do all this.
          Kamikaze, or what?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 August 2014 14: 58
            0
            Quote: DanG73
            In addition, after all these actions, the location of the group will be established.

            The approximate. And at the same time, it will ensure the passage of another group, while the site is unobservable. Well, these will fall into a hollow, covered with a coating providing IR invisibility, and will wait out the show with their searches.
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 29 August 2014 12: 17
      -6
      Quote: Analgin
      A good machine, it looks really a little toyy (the chassis device does not seem completely reliable), but good. Our peysonos friends know a lot about droning. But it seemed such a small country ...
      Sweden recalls right away: it’s not enough to get 10 million (less than in the gobbled Moskau), and know yourself 4+ class fighters bake like hot cakes, BMPs of their own, and pull themselves up - and the tanks, I think, will master.

      Although Jews can be understood, the hydra of world Islam is not asleep, you want, you don’t want, but you have to move your brain.


      Which 4+ fighters, which BMPs of your own, where did you pick up such tales?
      And I understand, Israeli propaganda.

      And rather, it is still a telecontrolled machine that requires constant attention of the operator. On the road, she can still drive herself, but is unlikely to somehow react to changes in the environment.
      Which, in principle, is proved by the phrase from the article:
      In this case, an unmanned vehicle can operate separately, or move with infantry.In the second case, it is controlled using a special portable terminal, one of the soldiers of the combat unit controls the machine. In the first case, control is as reminiscent of UAV control as possible and is carried out from a special control center.
      That is, human control is required in any case.
      1. bmv04636
        bmv04636 29 August 2014 12: 22
        +3
        we are already improving our intellect at the level of 13 teenagers and will soon find ourselves in a terminator under the power of machines or a movie, I think at such a pace that in a hundred years it will be exactly like that if we don't freeze
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 29 August 2014 12: 51
          0
          At the level of a 13 year old teenager, that’s you. smile
          Even a 2 year old kid who has learned to walk not so long ago can independently choose and evaluate the level of danger (of course, with the help of his parents) and the complexity of the road.
          So this is about this level of "development" of this product.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 29 August 2014 12: 52
        +5
        For those who look at pictures, but do not read the text: smile
        "A special feature of the Guardium is that it can independently
        patrol along a given route, including on a strongly
        rough terrain, without the participation of the operator "////
        1. Devildog85
          Devildog85 29 August 2014 16: 06
          +5
          I don’t really like you six-pointed ones, but they don’t want drones in vain - they should be so - light and cheap. The dons have a future. For a poorly equipped enemy, drones are death, the only drawback is that you cannot fire without an operator because it does not distinguish a peaceful one from the enemy; in a serious war with the use of interference by the enemy, drones as a firearm are harder to use. Watch the video from ANNA nyus about Syria - it’s stupid to spend people in urban battles - put the module like yours on the same T72 - that’s all. Better to lose equipment than people.
          1. Egor65g
            Egor65g 29 August 2014 16: 32
            +3
            Quote: DevilDog85
            I do not really like you six-pointed

            And for what, interesting?
          2. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 29 August 2014 17: 14
            +5
            Quote: DevilDog85
            I do not really like you six-pointed ...

            Not true! stop
            We are five-pointed, 2 legs, 2 arms, 1 head request .
            except that what ...
            Well no, it can't be! belay You flatter us !!! repeat
            1. Egor65g
              Egor65g 29 August 2014 17: 50
              +3
              Ha ha ha laughing Class drinks
            2. Devildog85
              Devildog85 2 September 2014 18: 13
              0
              for Trotsky, for the Fed, for the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, for TNCs that are destroying the world
        2. TOR2
          TOR2 31 August 2014 18: 10
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          , including
          rough terrain

          rugged terrain in which area of ​​the globe?
      3. Professor
        Professor 29 August 2014 12: 53
        +3
        Quote: quilted jacket
        And rather, it is still a telecontrolled machine that requires constant attention of the operator. On the road, she can still drive herself, but is unlikely to somehow react to changes in the environment.

        Are you sure? Here is a video of "Israeli propaganda". There he reacts to changes in the environment. Your patrons nervously smoke on the sidelines. wassat
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 29 August 2014 13: 35
          0
          According to your film, little is clear, an operator is present everywhere before showing the maneuvers of a given "product", so who controls the operator or the "artificial intelligence" is not clear.
          1. Michael_59
            Michael_59 2 September 2014 20: 26
            0
            Quote: quilted jacket
            who controls the operator or "artificial intelligence" is not clear


            / AI controls the operator. wassat
      4. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 29 August 2014 13: 41
        +2
        Padded jacket, do you have the reflex of knocking on keys already overtakes thought processes? laughing
        Quote: Analgin.
        A good machine, it looks really a little toyy (the chassis device does not seem completely reliable), but good. Our peysonos friends know a lot about droning. But it seemed such a small country ...
        Right Away Sweden recalls:

        Go to the tambourine, maybe let it go. fool
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 29 August 2014 14: 01
          0
          Yes, even without you, I’ll figure out what to knock on me smile
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 30 August 2014 21: 54
            +2
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Yes, even without you, I’ll figure out what to knock on me smile

            If you had caught me in the ring 20 years ago, if only I had knocked. winked
      5. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 31 August 2014 13: 26
        +1
        Which 4+ fighters, which BMPs of your own, where did you pick up such tales?
        And I understand, Israeli propaganda.

        Then - Swedish propaganda. It was about Sweden.
  7. Egor65g
    Egor65g 29 August 2014 11: 48
    +8
    You can find a reaction to every action smile This is the spiral of development. It’s important that now unit really saves manpower IDF.
  8. Analgin
    Analgin 29 August 2014 13: 38
    +1
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Which 4+ fighters, which BMPs of your own, where did you pick up such tales?
    And I understand, Israeli propaganda.

    Yeah, the Professor personally pays out of his pocket. 10 shekels per line.
    Fighters - JAS 39 Grippen - more than two and a half hundred, BMP - Strf 90 with a 40mm autocannon (there is an anti-aircraft version with a radar and an analogue of the domestic "Sprut" on the same base).
    Read more, comrade quilted jacket, broaden your horizons.

    Quote: Smert Nik1
    It is necessary to understand the concept of the use of such vehicles. His fate is one - to die the death of the brave. and by his death to ensure the identification and destruction of the enemy. This car does not need strong armor or expensive chips.

    The machine will be a little expensive at a time. It is not better to make it in the form factor of a sort of miniature tank on a tracked chassis in a ton and a half weight. This option is able to withstand more than one blast. The tower module can be made in different versions - engineering, for mine clearance or combat (with a pair of ATGMs).
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 29 August 2014 13: 49
      +2
      Quote: Analgin
      It is not better to make it in the form factor of a sort of miniature tank on a tracked chassis in a ton and a half weight.

      So it’s for patrolling and not for battle, and in which case it’s easier and faster to slam from the air than to specially adjust caterpillar cuttlefish.
      Caterpillar cuttlefish is good for other tasks - for storming for example, but not for patrolling.
    2. slavbag
      slavbag 29 August 2014 14: 07
      +2
      If necessary, there will be a tank drone. Right now, it is decided what to do with the tanks, which way to go. And most likely Israel will go towards the creation of a drone tank. This will be the 5th Merkava.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 29 August 2014 14: 42
        0
        About this belay :
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 29 August 2014 21: 25
          +2
          Such a walking prodigy only in the movies is impressive. In fact, caterpillar will be easier, cheaper, and higher speed.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 29 August 2014 22: 30
            0
            So what ?:
    3. padded jacket
      padded jacket 29 August 2014 14: 13
      -1
      And I apologized for confusing smile he is about Sweden, yes it really is a lot of good and technologically advanced technology.
      Nevertheless, in the 90s, we bought our MTLB (about 800), BIP-1 (about 350), and tested the T-72 and T-80 tanks (with the possibility of being put into service, but were not accepted, although they showed excellent results) .
    4. padded jacket
      padded jacket 29 August 2014 14: 21
      0
      Yes, I already wrote that I confused with Israel smile
      But don’t forget before you are very proud that the engine of your JAS 39 Grippen is American, and your BMP - Strf 90 is not entirely yours:
      The Strf 90 was developed since 1984 by Hägglunds, a British-owned BAE Systems company, commissioned by the Swedish Army for a family of vehicles for various purposes on a common chassis. Series production of the Strf 90 started in 1993.
      1. slavbag
        slavbag 29 August 2014 14: 26
        +8
        The quilted jacket is the soldier’s main life and the fulfillment of the combat mission, and if Israel does everything that is possible and develops and buys and spies, it’s the same for those you love — it’s an honor and praise to a country that takes care not to let its soldier die as a hero and live as a winner!
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 29 August 2014 14: 36
          -2
          In what you are right, but are you really taking away other people's lives for the lives of your soldiers?
          And then you are greatly surprised at the bad attitude towards you in the world.
          Although this is another topic smile
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 29 August 2014 22: 12
            +1
            Quote: quilted jacket
            but how much you’re taking away other people's lives for the lives of your soldiers

            Do you propose to lay your own so that the enemies survive?
  9. Ayujak
    Ayujak 29 August 2014 14: 06
    0
    Yes, interesting comments. Thank. The overall picture was drawn.
  10. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 29 August 2014 14: 06
    +1
    For border guards, this thing is good and necessary, but it is hardly suitable for a real war.
    The weak point of the entire control panel system is precisely he who will be the priority goal. By destroying it, you can paralyze the control and management of such units. When they run out of fuel they will stand up and mustache.
    The machine itself can be destroyed from RPGs, "recoilless" or ATGMs of any type, as well as kr.cal. rifles such as our ASVK or OSV-96 or kr.cal. machine gun such as "Cliff", "Kord".
    You can break and spoil the mustache, there would be a desire. yes

    1. slavbag
      slavbag 29 August 2014 14: 21
      +4
      So after all, both the tank and the plane and the submarine are destroyed. Refuse? You are talking nonsense. And why is it that the drone takes the first blow, revealing the enemy, forcing him to give himself away, his place and firepower? The drone does not get tired, is not afraid, and most importantly - KILLING saves HUMAN LIFES and on this it is already possible and necessary to put a bullet in the debate whether a drone is needed.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 29 August 2014 16: 07
        0
        Quote: slavbag
        The drone does not get tired, is not afraid, and most importantly - KILLING saves HUMAN LIFES and on this it is already possible and necessary to put a bullet in the debate whether a drone is needed.


        Also, the drone may crash in the software (and it may open fire on its own more than once) or a technical failure of some important system may occur at the most inopportune moment. Not to mention the fact that the average electronic warfare of all these units can be disabled, without any problems. Just half-wild tribes like the Palestinians and Arabs do not. But this does not mean that others do not.
        So this is a double-edged sword.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 29 August 2014 17: 29
          +3
          Quote: wanderer_032
          Wed-you electronic warfare of all these units can be disabled, without any problems ...

          Mshin on autopilot? belay On the contrary, a very big problem.
          EW silencer can be strong against radar and other intelligence technique but against communication facilities the spectrum of electronic warfare capabilities is frankly weak (due to the elementary laws of physics), do not even stutter about the control interception, it is impossible (due to the elementary laws of mathematics) stop ... tired of explaining already, read something on modern means of communication and encryption, signal modulation, multichannel, etc. request

          First combat the task of the UAV was to ensure a breakthrough of high-tech layered air defense systems in conditions of active radio countermeasures, the version of the war with the "Papuans" is untenable.
          1. TOR2
            TOR2 31 August 2014 18: 31
            +1
            Quote: And Us Rat
            The first combat mission of the UAV was to ensure the breakthrough of high-tech echeloned air defense systems in conditions of active radio countermeasures, the version of the war with the "Papuans" is untenable.

            Yes, tell it on another site. What will happen to your UAV when a high-tech enemy "treats" it from a microwave installation. Probably hide sensors, antennas, cameras under the screen? I'm not talking about what will happen to the "packets" that the on-board equipment simply cannot recognize.
            1. Professor
              Professor 31 August 2014 20: 34
              +1
              Quote: TOR2
              What will happen to your UAV when a high-tech enemy "treats" it from a microwave installation. Probably hide sensors, antennas, cameras under the screen? I'm not talking about what will happen to the "packets" that the on-board equipment simply cannot recognize.

              We will imprison him in a Faraday cage. AND? wink
        2. slavbag
          slavbag 29 August 2014 19: 03
          0
          You watch less fantastic movies. The facts here are about the exit of drones from obedience and shooting on their own. So far, only people make mistakes and get out of control.
  11. mr.HLORKA-77
    mr.HLORKA-77 29 August 2014 15: 10
    -1
    I especially liked the two USB ports on the front. The thing is very useful.
  12. Massik
    Massik 29 August 2014 15: 45
    +6
    Good tachanka, know in the monitor look and drink coffee. I’ve revised the last entries, revised the target designation, and launched the next one.
    So you roll on a typewriter and think - in which bush if what to jump, where to shoot and how not to smash the radio.
  13. Free wind
    Free wind 29 August 2014 15: 46
    +3
    Struck and surprised by the "Lamborghini" engine. I have never even heard of this, I will have to look on the Internet, I thought it was a small studio for the production of supercars. I liked the girl in the photo, very nice. In any case, even if such a machine is clumsy, it is still needed. in any case, raising a warrior is more expensive than building ... well, than building any machine. We have been raising a warrior for 20 years. and we build a car for several days or weeks.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 29 August 2014 16: 15
      +4
      Quote: Free Wind
      lamborghini engine


      What are you mixed up. These are different companies.



      Lombardini is one of the world leaders in the production of high-tech diesel engines installed on a wide variety of equipment, including the best power plants of many world famous brands.
      Source: http: //www.allgen.ru/engine/lombardini/
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 29 August 2014 17: 42
        0
        Plus you !!!!!!!!
  14. bpk572
    bpk572 29 August 2014 16: 18
    0
    And this is his Turkish "brother" - İZCİ from Aselsan. Filmed at an arms exhibition in Ankara in 2007 https://pp.vk.me/c618228/v618228783/1859f/AeEm4kH31lI.jpg
  15. Urri
    Urri 30 August 2014 00: 08
    0
    Quote: And Us Rat
    The firing point is automatically detected by sound in real time


    With the chassis engine running. Laugh.

    Quote: And Us Rat
    Want to shoot him?


    No. Dog dragged from IED on the belly of the forest.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 30 August 2014 00: 35
      -1
      Quote: Urri
      Quote: And Us Rat
      The firing point is automatically detected by sound in real time


      With the chassis engine running. Laugh.

      Quote: And Us Rat
      Want to shoot him?


      No. Dog dragged from IED on the belly of the forest.

      The sound of the shot and the sound of the engine lie in different frequency ranges and do not intersect each other, we are not talking about human hearing. The technique "hears" a little differently.
      And about the dog ... have they already taken revenge on the giraffe Marius?
  16. Urri
    Urri 30 August 2014 10: 45
    +2
    Quote: And Us Rat
    The sound of a shot and the sound of the engine lie in different frequency ranges and do not cross each other


    Cross. Range is 50 Hz-22 kHz. Filtering requires computing power, time, and design assumptions. Not the fact that the place is determined correctly.
    From your statement about Marius it follows that the developers did not prepare for the option with the dog. But in vain. 70 years ago, Guderian’s tankers took this method more than seriously, for those who neglected it often died.
    1. slavbag
      slavbag 30 August 2014 12: 00
      +3
      You must understand the main thing, our drones are not a replacement for soldier-tank-aircraft, this is an assistant. The task of drones today is to carry out the most dangerous tasks that can really be trusted to robots, tasks requiring vigilant and tireless control, observation. And you can destroy everything! I do not know about you, but we prefer that the pieces of iron be in the forefront.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 30 August 2014 21: 02
      +4
      We work with a specific opponent. Muslim Arabs consider dogs
      unclean animals. For this reason, they do not use them in military operations.
      In the IDF there is a combat unit "Okets" (bite) - dog handlers. But dogs are not trained for
      explosions of enemy equipment, and reconnaissance-detection of explosives.
      In Gaza, in the last operation, by the way, 5 dogs - "soldiers" were killed.
      Buried in a special cemetery, each with the same military honors,
      like at a soldier’s funeral.
  17. Urri
    Urri 30 August 2014 22: 00
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    In Gaza, in the last operation, by the way, 5 dogs - "soldiers" were killed.
    Buried in a special cemetery, each with the same military honors,
    like at a soldier’s funeral.


    Those who have fallen for their land and people are worthy of respect. Dogs too.

    In Novorossia, militias at night throw Nazi roadblocks with hand grenades from multicopters. The faithful will soon take over this experience. Get ready. Smooth barrel with goblet-shaped goblet cups will do. Start developing a smooth-bore machine gun.

    I have no comments on the merits of the article. Good luck in battle.
  18. TOR2
    TOR2 31 August 2014 19: 09
    +1
    If you look from the side, the development is interesting, and as always, it has its pros and cons. Of course, it will be difficult to use such a machine against a high-tech enemy, whatever they write here. I don’t argue, you can develop a set of protections for this contraption, but this will increase its cost and will not give a 100% guarantee.
    That would not be unfounded.
    http://warfiles.ru/show-50302-nad-krymom-vzyat-v-plen-bespilotnik-ssha-mnenie.ht
    ml
    There is such a fragment:
    The captured MQ-5B was at an altitude of about 4000 meters from the setting sun and was not visible from the ground. According to the “Military observer”, he was intercepted with the help of the Russian complex of electronic warfare (EW) 1L2 22 “Autobase” and went to the self-defense forces almost intact. The Russian radio-electronic system broke the connection of the UAV with its American operators, after which the aircraft made an emergency landing.
    Breaking the link is not enough. When the connection is lost, this "organ" will repeat its route in the opposite direction until a connection appears. So the UAV could not complete the return, because it turned into an ordinary glider and glided to the ground. Can you guess why?
    I myself am a supporter of such equipment, but the guys from Israel have specifically boasted smile
    1. Professor
      Professor 31 August 2014 20: 36
      +1
      Quote: TOR2
      he was intercepted with the help of the Russian electronic warfare complex (EW) 1L2 22 Avtobaza

      All give up. The carpool is digging. wassat
    2. slavbag
      slavbag 31 August 2014 21: 52
      +1
      I’ll tell you one thing only do not be offended.
      Not so long ago, an Iranian very peaceful UAV entered the airspace of Israel from the sea. He was seen on radars, but was not identified as an enemy. Human factor. But when he headed for the rector in Dimona (or what everyone thinks there), the GPS signal was immediately muffled, after which the UAV did not fall to the ground, did not whine in fear - I LOST !!!! He simply turned around and, according to the program prescribed for such an event, headed for his home base! And A F16 was shot down. So if an Iranian drone is able to turn around and go home when it intervenes in its flight control program, maybe the Americans have thought of the same thing? It just fell due to a technical malfunction. And everything else requires proof.
      But today again.
      31.08 14: 52 MIGnews.com
      Enemy drone shot down over Golan Heights

      Israeli media reported that a drone was shot down over Israeli territory in the Kuneitra checkpoint area.

      The drone is shot down by a Patriot missile defense system missile.

      Earlier, residents of the Golan Heights reported two powerful explosions in the border area, and traces of the operation of missile defense systems.

      The IDF suggests that this is a drone of the Syrian army, mistakenly flown into Israeli airspace.
  19. slavbag
    slavbag 31 August 2014 21: 59
    +1
    Well, maybe not quite in the subject of our though small but very proud weapon.

    IHS Jane's: Azerbaijan receives Israeli patrol boats and missile boats

    publication time: 08: 15
    last update: 08: 38
    blog print version save as file email photo


    Last week, the specialized edition IHS Jane's published information that Israel will supply Azerbaijan with six Shaldag Mk V patrol boats and six Saar 62 missile boats. The publication claims that the actual recipient is the Azerbaijani Coast Guard (Sahil Mühafizsin).

    Official sources in Israel do not confirm or comment on this information.

    Jane's recalls that on July 18 this year, the press service of the President of Azerbaijan, talking about the commissioning of a new shipyard in the Baku settlement of Turkan, published photos of Shaldag Mk V class boats with side numbers S301 and S302. President and Supreme Commander-in-Chief of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev boarded one of these boats.

    The press release said: “Due to the capabilities of this plant, the construction of two high-speed highly maneuverable border patrol vessels of the 3rd class for the Coast Guard of the State Border Service has already been completed.” According to IHS Jane's, we are talking about two Shaldag Mk V boats manufactured by the Israeli company Israel Shipyards, assembled in Turkan.
  20. waggish
    waggish 1 September 2014 15: 02
    0
    They do it right, there are brains and even what!
  21. Beiderlei
    Beiderlei 6 December 2014 15: 00
    0
    Greyhound armored car !!!!!!!!!!!