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About the "poor hussars" put in a wordTen of our paratroopers 331 parachute regiment were in fennel. One, judging by the testimony of the deputy platoon commander, a mechanic-driver of the BMD, who received burns, is in the hospital, and the other nine are given interviews under the cameras of the SBU and the Ukrainian media.

According to RBC or SBU (I often confuse them), they allegedly were detained on August 24 near the settlement Zerkalnoye (Dzerkale) of Amvrosevsky district of Donetsk region in 20 km from the Russian-Ukrainian border. Already 25 August, the SBU published on the Internet the testimony of four prisoners: Sergeant Generalov AN, Gv. Corporal Smirnova A.D., Milchakova I.V. and Romantseva I.I. All four of them with varying degrees of inertness told that they arrived in the Rostov region for training exercises as part of a battalion and unexpectedly found themselves on the territory of Ukraine, where they came under fire and surrendered without a fight.

I will leave aside for the time being their statements that they were supposedly suddenly “seen the light”, and that Bandera’s supposedly are the best friends of humanity. I want to draw attention to some of the details that the "directors" could not smack.

According to the SBU / RBC, shelling of the column and the capture of paratroopers occurred on August 24 in the area of ​​the settlement. Mirror. This is approximately 4-5 km southwest of s. Kuteynikovo.

Question: How could our column be there? If, according to the SBU, they drove a convoy with military equipment into the DPR, then why did you choose this most inappropriate route for this purpose? Let me remind you that with 23-24 of August the troops of the DPR launched an offensive in the area and, pushing the punitive forces away from the border, drove them into the Amvrosievsky boiler.

At this time, safely and covertly, it was possible to conduct a column north of the area, where the militiamen confidently controlled the territory, for example, at the Kozhevnya – Black Zhovten section.

All the prisoners in one voice say that they did not know where they were going and didn’t expect to come under fire. Here they are absolutely sincere. It is hard to imagine that in the conditions of a battle, shootout, and artillery cannonade, anyone with any purpose, and especially a “secret mission,” would have crossed this zone. Yes, and punitive at this point was clearly not to capture prisoners. It is even more difficult to imagine that unprepared and non-instructed fighters are sent to fulfill the secret mission. It is obvious from the testimony of Smirnov and Romantsev that they did not expect to be in someone else’s territory and come under fire. About Generalov and Milchakov talk separate.

In my opinion, the statement of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation that the unit accidentally wandered into foreign territory looks more like the truth, but this could not have happened on August 24 in this area.

So where and when did this happen?

Here are the testimony of I. Romantsev: August 16 announced the collection, August August 17 began loading on the train, unloaded in the area of ​​Rostov-on-Don on the station. Matveyevka.

In the Rostov region there is no art. Matveyevka, but there is art. Matveyev Kurgan, north-west of Rostov-on-Don. It is located about 20 km from the border with Ukraine in the area of ​​the border crossing Matveyev Kurgan - Checkpoint "Uspenka" and about 60 km from Zerkalny. I can assume that the locals probably call it “Matveyevka” for short.

With high probability, we can conclude that the Kostroma paratroopers unloaded exactly at this station. According to one of the paratroopers at a press conference (the materials of which were published on 27 August), the unit was to take the 70-kilometer march, on which the 3 of the day was assigned, took the route the next day after unloading and were captured the same day.

How many days they moved in a train from Kostroma to the Rostov-on-Don region is not known. However (by experience) no more than 1-3 days. So, they could go on campaigns 19, 20 or 21 August.

At this time, to the south of the checkpoint "Ouspenka" the border and the territory adjacent to it were controlled by the punishers and this area was still in their deep rear. This means that no hostilities were conducted on this part of the August 20-21 border.

20 August, NSDC spokesman Lysenko denied reports in the UkroSMI that the Russian convoy was fired on the territory of Ukraine. And ukroSMI reported that the Russian column was broken, that Russian paratroopers were captured and captured BMD-2. Since such "slop" regularly appeared before, no one paid attention to it.

Even then, many were wondering why this “voice of truth” from the National Security Council began to disprove its own media. Previously, this has never happened before, despite the most monstrous and absurd lie.

In my mind, there can be only one explanation. Trapped paratroopers captured (how and why - more on that below) namely 20 of August or the day before. But on August 20, four prisoners “let out juice” and “sang” during interrogation in front of the cameras by the notes of the SBU. The rest of the six could not immediately break, as evidenced by bruises on their faces. It was decided to hold this desired "candy" and use it on the eve of the meeting in Minsk, that is, they laid a testicle for Petrov's day.

Now about where, in what place captured our soldiers. For this you need to refer to the story of Guards. Sergeant Savosteyev at a press conference. According to him, after the start of the march, one crew fell behind, and the platoon commander ordered the two BMD convoy to be deployed and return for the laggards. Further Savosteev says that they returned to the railway crossing (!), Where they found the lagging BMD.

Let's look at the map of the area. The only railway in this sector is the Rostov-on-Don-Donetsk road, it goes through the Matveyev Kurgan station, the Uspenka checkpoint and Amvrosievka.

On the satellite map (thanks to Google), it is clearly seen that the railway is banked and has forest shelter plantations. On the whole stretch from Matveyev Kurgan to Amvrosiyivka there are only three railway crossings: 1) in the area of ​​Samara settlement; 2) directly at the border crossing checkpoint "Matveyev Kurgan" - checkpoint "Uspenka" - on the Russian side and 3) in the village of Lysyche - on the Ukrainian side.

Funny, but true. The only railroad crossing that falls under the description is a crossing into Russian territory in the region of the settlement of Samara. This is the only move, which is located at some distance from the settlements. Such a move could be used to move the column of armored vehicles.

Let us return to the story Savosteev. He said that after connecting with the lagging BMD, they moved back to the crossroads, where they turned right (!) And, after traveling a few kilometers, did not find the main group and returned back. Then, unable to communicate by radio, they again advanced along the road leading to the right, drove several kilometers and came under fire.

If we proceed from the fact that this group ended up on Ukrainian territory, then a turn to the right meant that they initially moved from north to south or from northeast to southwest, i.e. along the border, and then turned to the west or north-west. Such a maneuver from moving to Lysychem could not have led them to Zerkalnoye where they were allegedly detained. They would have simply rested against Amvrosiyevka.

From Milchakov’s testimony, it can be seen that immediately before the shelling they were near some village where they saw a tank with a Ukrainian flag.

If this story is “tried on” to the map of the area, taking into account the terrain relief, multiple intersections of country roads, then we can conclude that the mountain paratroopers slipped into Ukrainian territory in the four-kilometer stretch of the border south-west of Avila-Uspenka and came across Stepnoye settlements or Vyselki (one simply cannot pass by), i.e. penetrated into the adjacent territory to a depth of no more than 4-5 km (the map can be assessed here: http://militarymaps.info/). To the south of this flat segment stretches a deep ravine 25-30 km long. There, judging by the story Savosteev, they just could not call on the BMD.

Such details, which themselves do not seem to say anything, it is impossible to compose specifically, because they reveal a picture only as a result of a focused, attentive analysis. SBU explicitly looked at these details.

In this part of the story Savosteyev can be trusted, because it is confirmed by objective data.

Thus, it can be concluded that the statement of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation that the Russian servicemen, who were patrolling along the border, happened to be in the adjacent territory, is true. That they were detained not far from the border, and the place of detention in Zerkalnoye was “transferred” by the SBU to create the appearance of “deep penetration” into Ukrainian territory.

And now we will stop on some "weirdness" and "accidents".

From May-June, Ukrainian officials, the US State Department, Obama himself, a number of European leaders, and other EU officials tirelessly declared Russian military involvement in the conflict in southeast Ukraine. Every time the Foreign Ministry and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation denied these statements, even allowed the OSCE mission to the border. This whole howl was broken about a simple question: “Where is the evidence?”

August Poroshenko’s 16 in a telephone conversation with Cameron stated that a Russian column of armored vehicles had been broken on Ukrainian territory. There is no evidence again. Maybe again hurried, as in the case of Boeing.

It is clear that at least some evidence of the presence of Russian troops in the territory of Ukraine Poroshenko and his minions were needed as air. Especially recently, when, after retaliatory Russian sanctions, European politicians began to look more soberly at the Ukrainian conflict.

It is easy to assume that the task of finding “relevant evidence” was set by the SBU. But how can this be done if the Russians do not go to war with Ukraine and do not send troops there? So you need to seize someone on the border or somehow lure into its territory. A bet on chance seems naive to me.

It should be borne in mind that the demarcation of the Russian-Ukrainian border has not yet been carried out. On the ground, where the ukropatriots did not have time to dig ditches, the border is not marked. In this regard, the plan for the capture of some patrolling group near the border looks quite feasible: the border is deserted in many places, and the checkpoints are far enough away from each other. Attacks and shelling from the Ukrainian side of the Russian border guards and customs officers have already been recorded. It is possible that there were other clashes, about which we are not aware. In recent months, our territory has been repeatedly shelled. The goal is obvious - to provoke an armed conflict. The position of the Russian side - under no circumstances resist provocations - the Ukrainian side is well known. Under these conditions, even the seizure of our soldiers in the Russian border area (you must prove that whose land it is), with the support of Western propaganda, may well “roll” under the Russian invasion. Entry into the war with Ukraine in the political plans of Russia is not included. This may explain why individual clashes, if they occurred, are not publicized.

I cited all these judgments in connection with the fact that RBC (or the SBU, I am confusing again) with reference to my sources reported that lately several paratroopers from different formations had died at the exercises in the Rostov region. Ukrainian journalists at the said press conference also reported this in their questions to the prisoners. Here we see a consistent imposition of the conclusions that de Russian soldiers are dying on Ukrainian soil. It is not at all surprising that psaki develops the same topic on behalf of the US State Department, and synchronous stirring in the "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers" begins. We all saw this bundle in the 90s.

All this is a general background, but let us return to the prisoners of Kostroma.

Personally, it seems to me very strange that the captured paratroopers (and now we know that this happened near our border most likely on August 20) literally during the first hours were subjected to “emergency gutting”, and within a few hours, two of them were broken (this refers to Smirnov and Romantsev) and agreed under the cameras to state what they were asked to by the Sbushniki. Otherwise, it is impossible to explain why Lysenko already 20 August disavowed leaks that appeared in UkroSMI. The interrogation was obviously conducted not by field commanders or territorial SBUshniki. It seems that the children of these waiting there.

An analysis of the video recording of the interrogation of Smirnov and Romantsev definitely indicates that they were stunned by the detention. Psychologically, they were not ready to be in a combat situation, which once again confirms that they did not overtake any equipment. Obviously, none of the fighters expected to be on foreign territory and fall under real fire. One can even see where they were broken - one has a pregnant wife, the other has a young family and a child. Surely they had a psychological impact: you are illegal with weapons entered foreign territory, the war on terrorism is here, you are terrorists, and according to the laws of wartime we can shoot you, think of your loved ones, etc. They could even shoot in their eyes someone from the prisoners of the militia for the frenzy. Punishers - one word. The video clearly shows what the prisoners are saying freely, even if they stammer, and what they said at the behest of SBUshnikov. In Smirnov’s view, doom is read — he understands that he is committing treason, and Romantsev justifies himself: “I didn’t subscribe to this. All this is sewn with white thread.

The other two, the Generals and Milchakov, behaved quite differently. The generals “sang” as if they repeatedly rehearsed their speech and behaved like a typical defector, and in Milchakov’s eyes one can clearly see the fear of a man who decided on an adventure. I would not be surprised if these two were left behind by the BMD and somehow contributed to the deviation from the route.

I have serious suspicions that the military counterintelligence with respect to these fighters strongly "slammed their ears."

I don’t know what will happen next with these fighters, but it will not be easy to scratch them out of captivity.

PS While I was writing, Poroshenko’s statement about the “Russian invasion” appeared. It seems that these would-be warriors want to use to the fullest. So, the “four” talkatives can seriously aggravate the conflict ...
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat 29 August 2014 09: 37
    +37
    One question is why is everything in the old Soviet camouflage, which Ukrainians go to? We have a city in the outback of military units on the fingers of one’s to count, soldiers on the street very rarely come across, and then for three years now they’ve been walking in numbers ??
    1. HAM
      HAM 29 August 2014 09: 54
      +15
      I also noticed this, only fishermen and hunters use such camouflage.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 August 2014 09: 58
        -37
        It seems that these woe-warriors want to use to the fullest.
        Author, send you there, and here we will write articles about you and call grief a warrior. Ugh on you.
        1. hrapon
          29 August 2014 10: 15
          +27
          Before you shuffle, look in the mirror.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 August 2014 10: 53
            -47
            Quote: hrapon
            Before you shuffle, look in the mirror.

            Once again, pah. Vseznaika is a sofa, let’s put a shame on the men from the Airborne Forces. They are not worth the dirt from under your nails, right?
            What do those who on Day of the Airborne Forces scandalize them today shouted Glory to the Airborne Forces? Are you people or just ...... The question is rhetorical.
            1. hrapon
              29 August 2014 11: 05
              +70
              I don’t know who you are, but I enlisted for 17 years in 1975. I suspect that you still have not hatched from an egg.

              As for the "couch service", then your "experience" significantly exceeds mine. Sorry to break the chain of command.
              1. Himalayan
                Himalayan 29 August 2014 11: 22
                +26
                The article is generally balanced. As one of the versions of events. Indeed, the question is, "choral singing" to the tune of the SBU, the behavior of the Russian Armed Forces elite. Maybe something has changed in the motivation of modern parachutists?

                Aircraft, IL-76, shot down at the airport of Lugansk - on the eve of the meeting at the UN and a friendly picture of the assault on the Russian embassy

                And here. - Just in time for the meeting in Minsk. And, in unison, collected, for half a day, soldier’s father, motherfucker. And common pictures across all media.

                And remembering the schneipers, Odessa, Boeing - Throwing about the SU-25 militia captured by BUK-ah - on the eve of the "downing" of the Boeing 777,
                - The likelihood of a provocation with the participation of the United States (Nalyvaichenko-SBU) and with the support of the murky ones in this incident and in Russia-Novorossia itself "from Purgenyan -...? To ...? - Khodakovskys" is extremely high
                1. user
                  user 29 August 2014 11: 36
                  +10
                  Guys, this is a dark story, you don’t need to shit anyone, you don’t have to tear a vest on your chest with a cry, this is not an airborne force. It will take a little time and everything will become clear, I even think it will happen even faster than we all think.
                  Because the story is not entirely clear and understandable, requiring a thorough analysis and answers to questions not only on our website, but also from the EU, NATO, the United States, and how we like to speak "on behalf of the world community", the question does not require haste.
                  1. larand
                    larand 29 August 2014 14: 40
                    +10
                    the story is dark or not dark, but it is clear that these "fighters" about Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, Alexander Matrosov and other Soviet children-heroes did not even hear if they sang so quickly in Ukrop, and even in front of television cameras.
                    1. Apologet.Ru
                      Apologet.Ru 29 August 2014 15: 19
                      +7
                      hi
                      I completely and absolutely agree with the author that the fighters have simply lost their way!
                      Those who served in the army as an officer or ensign can give a lot of similar examples, and this is not in the territory where the fighting is being conducted, but in completely greenhouse peaceful conditions.
                      And, of course, I really do not envy the commanders of these warriors, and with a shudder imagine how the superior pulls them one place on the Bandera trident.
                      And rightly so, by the way, they do, because volens - nolens, but it was they who created this divine gift to the supporters of the junta.
                      How can juntas beat him, besides throwing tantrums about the invasion of regular troops of the Russian army?
                      Yes, at least offer to exchange prisoners for artillery spotter Nadezhda Savchenko, who currently enjoys the hospitality of the Voronezh pre-trial detention center and expects an all-inclusive trip to the Russian capital for a psychiatric examination.
                      And you need to clearly understand the goals and objectives of the current moment of the confrontation - Russia, like air, must be forced to accept the militia of the Donbass Kiev, Ge_yropam and Pi_ndostan as a party to the negotiations, which such a proposal doesn’t like ....
                    2. berkut2123
                      berkut2123 29 August 2014 19: 02
                      +3
                      there, I won’t even be able to work on the CIA. and they can push
                      1. Shur
                        Shur 29 August 2014 22: 36
                        +1
                        What's the difference, they are not ready, but why did they end up there at all? By the way, and the question - "Why aren't you ready?" We seem to have a peaceful and calm atmosphere everywhere, but the Airborne Forces are people who cook for the very hell or cook. Yes, war is not tank badminton.
                  2. Trom
                    Trom 29 August 2014 15: 00
                    +2
                    I agree ... When I watched the video with the guys, I could not get rid of the feeling that when they called themselves and their place of service, they spoke like a learned "lesson", fearing to make a mistake. And yet, maybe I'm wrong, but each of them called a different number of the military unit, as if they were collected one by one from different units and at the same time from different branches of the army, just like delegated representatives from the entire Russian army.
                2. Shur
                  Shur 29 August 2014 22: 29
                  0
                  It remains to catch American terrorist mercenaries on their territory, this is a good answer and there will be something to change. The guys are certainly not ready for this, which is strange. Apparently now there is no need to be "unprepared" military people. Big "stargazers" are definitely two, this is a real indicator of the situation, I hope not statistics. It has long been clear that there should not be "superfluous" ones. Specialists are needed everywhere and that is important with experience. With this it seems very not very much, and therefore such are the emergency situations.
              2. Letun
                Letun 29 August 2014 13: 01
                +8
                It is well written, only if all this is true, then our paratroopers, in the best case, the Ukrainians will not let go, in the worst - they will shoot. Because they are well aware that when the soldiers return home, the whole truth about their detention will become known. May God grant the guys the strength to transfer all this!
            2. acute
              acute 31 August 2014 10: 22
              0
              How many people, so many opinions. I do not want to criticize these guys, but something is not all right in the Russian armed forces with educational work. Or people went smaller and more timid
            3. Alekseev
              Alekseev 31 August 2014 18: 23
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Once again pah. The whole sofa

              Only now you don’t have to rumble! yes
              If there are objections to the author, please specificallywhat is wrong?
              As for the case itself, then, without turning to the individual, who is to blame for more, who is less, but it is "shame of the jungle" and water to the mill of Banderlog.
              Extremely like cheatingmay have been specially ambushed.
              Nothing, now everything is in place, subsequently the investigation will reveal everything, including the behavior of each prisoner.
              And also, of course, purely in my personal opinion, many double basses (and officers) go to the army not to defend their homeland, to serve not sparing their stomach, but to earn money. And that is the problem. Military service should be a life choice, not a means of feeding.
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          3. Rus2012
            Rus2012 29 August 2014 12: 05
            +4
            Quote: hrapon
            about oddities ...


            About inconsistencies of dill tales, there are also many here -
            Putting together the paratroopers puzzle
            But then the oddities begin. If you rely on sources in the division itself and the 331st regiment itself, they are armed with BMD-4, while Sergei Alekseevich confidently calls BMD-2. Judging by the fact that of all the three interlocutors, only he and Corporal Romantsev were attracted to "repainting equipment", it turns out that Sergei Aleksandrovich is a driver-mechanic of a BMD, which means he cannot confuse cars so much. Why is it important? Firstly, because the photo of the "Ukrainian side" shows the BMD-2 feed.
            This moment becomes doubly curious because the BMD-2 is in service with the Ukrainian army, but the BMD-4 is not. Those. if they showed a photo of the "four" all questions would have disappeared. But for some reason they show "two". And for some reason only from the stern. What prevented the filming of these strange white circles, which are so carefully emphasized during interrogation? Is the film out of the camera? Or has all the internet traffic gone?

            Everything would be fine, but from this place the inconsistencies are just a jamb. There is a war on the other side of the ribbon. I’m even ready to admit unlimited meanness and insidiousness to the command, in order to know where the column will go, but not to say a word to the soldiers themselves.
            But the commanders cannot be idiots. Send a convoy with escort to the combat zone (and what is fighting there, every child in Russia today, especially an officer, especially the commander of a unit that is two steps away from the "ribbon" and is going to cross it) and not give it ammunition ? Not to instruct the personnel? Well, how are they going to shoot the wrong one? How can an international scandal be extinguished then? And if they are not given cartridges, then what is the point in escorting that strange column? Just go for a ride through the countryside of the adjacent side? That's really unlikely. Therefore, either there was an escort, and then they were given live ammunition, or they were not given, but then there could be no convoy escort to the other side either. For without ammunition, that they were there, that they were not there, they would not have been able to cover the column from any "evil people". No way. Even if the "evil people" were armed only with baseball bats.

            And if they gave out cartridges, then how the fighters themselves could not match the geography (at school they studied and were not similar to downs, therefore, they could not know that Krasnodar is not far from Ukraine), repainting cars, identification dressings, extradition live ammunition and wonder - where do we go then, huh? Teachings? For ordinary exercises, live ammunition is not issued. Not to mention the fact that the issuance of live ammunition is always accompanied by a briefing, directly explaining what for they were given where we are going, what is waiting for and who can be shot there, and who not. It is like phlegm of water. If water, then it is always wet, if not wet, then it is not water. You can certainly assume that this is some kind of alcohol, but then the smell will let you down. There are some commanders who lead their subordinates into the combat zone, where they can be shot at and even killed in two accounts, while they carefully hide everything and do not even give out cartridges. Somehow, it is already becoming suspicious.

            Fully - http://news.newru.org/news/skladyvaja_pazl_pro_desantnikov/2014-08-29-584
            1. gorsten79
              gorsten79 29 August 2014 14: 21
              +5
              According to the state in the Soviet Airborne Division, the 330th bmd. I don’t know how in the Russian. But I doubt very much that the BMD-4 was released in such quantities that at least one regiment of the division was reequipped ...
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        3. maxiban
          maxiban 29 August 2014 11: 41
          +4
          What is the expression "let the juice" go? For you, the author will clamp some part of the body with pliers and tell you how Kennedy killed.
        4. gray
          gray 29 August 2014 15: 53
          +6
          No need to shit, but what about: "I swear, being in military service, to be honest, conscientious, worthily endure the difficulties associated with it." Gentlemen, they did not work on a collective farm and we should not be sent there if we want to have a military enlistment office. the text of the oath, and if you don’t like it, don’t go to the army under the contract. You probably do not violate the internal charter at work and fulfill your duties.
        5. Technologist
          Technologist 30 August 2014 17: 37
          +1
          You are an eccentric, they did take the oath! But then they will yell at every corner: past the airborne forces and their cars!
      2. yushch
        yushch 29 August 2014 11: 36
        +14
        Such camouflage is still used today, these are overalls with a birch color. It is worn on field exits by scouts.
        What surprises me in this whole situation is another point. Why didn’t they immediately report the state of emergency to the supreme ???
        If this became known immediately at the top, the official version of the Ministry of Defense would be announced in hot pursuit, and not in a week.
        Well, the last one, from my own experience I know that in multi-day field outings it is easy to get lost in such a situation.
      3. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 29 August 2014 11: 43
        +4
        In connection with this event, "lost paratroopers", I recall the story of 40 years ago, which happened in Mongolia.
        At that time, in ZabVO, we were informed of the situation of an accidental crossing of the Mongolia-China border by a UAZ vehicle with 4 of our Soviet officers, almost with a lieutenant colonel at the head, who left at night in the steppe "to the lights" of a Chinese border outpost. We got lost, and in the dark we drove straight to the Chinese.
        According to the laws of China, at that time and given the tense relations of the USSR with China, these soldiers were tried for illegally crossing the border and were given 10 years in prison.
        Among the career officers, there was one lieutenant with a biennial, that I, then also a lieutenant of a biennial, was greatly struck by the fact that a "jacket" came for 2 years of service, and fate had prepared for him an extension of this term, as much as 10 years.
        Can anyone remember this story? How did it end?
    2. Doctor Evil
      Doctor Evil 29 August 2014 10: 16
      +8
      Hello Dmitry. Masked coats of the colors "gray birch", "yellow birch" and "Russian figure" are sold in military equipment stores. Our price in "Linkor" in Perm is 950 rubles. Maybe they were bought for their own money. Or the Ukrainians have changed their clothes.
    3. antiseledka
      antiseledka 29 August 2014 11: 33
      +4
      They removed the uniform from them in order to use it for provocations. And so that they looked like a warrior they were dressed in junk.
    4. 12423 student
      12423 student 29 August 2014 12: 36
      +9
      Pay attention to fighters from different companies. How did they end up in the same BMD?
    5. Cormorants
      Cormorants 29 August 2014 12: 48
      +7
      The story is mostly muddy, honestly, there’s a catch. and as regards the numbers, it’s also true, there is rarely a birch where you can find it, and besides, it’s not of an army sample from them, the fishermen buy such a product in the market! There are no traces of chevrons either.
      1. 12423 student
        12423 student 29 August 2014 12: 54
        +3
        Quote: Cormorants
        The story is mostly muddy, honestly, there’s a catch. and as regards the numbers, it’s also true, there is rarely a birch where you can find it, and besides, it’s not of an army sample from them, the fishermen buy such a product in the market! There are no traces of chevrons either.

        And one fighter in civilian life. They do not look like combatant, some kind of partisans.
        1. kyznets
          kyznets 29 August 2014 14: 41
          +5
          There are no questions to the author. Question to the Ministry of Defense and to the government. Why are they silent? Where is their comment? Why should we throw solitaire and strain our intellect, logic and, excuse me, fantasy. This already looks disrespectful to the Russians. I DO NOT WANT TO BELIEVE that this is all true.
    6. sub307
      sub307 31 August 2014 20: 31
      0
      Here, here - a very "strange story" happened.
  2. Hyperboreec
    Hyperboreec 29 August 2014 09: 37
    0
    All info about the Russian Airborne Forces-this is nonsense.
  3. Vend
    Vend 29 August 2014 09: 39
    0
    Why is the world now? The army of New Russia is advancing. The world is a rejection of the very idea of ​​the state of New Russia. I see a well thought out action. When necessary, the paratroopers will be free. The main thing is that the SBU does not smell out that they were once again deceived.
  4. Evgen_Vasilich
    Evgen_Vasilich 29 August 2014 09: 40
    +7
    you need to take those 400 surrendered and exchange for 10 prisoners, and then carefully figure out ... just not sweeping, as sometimes happens. namely, thoughtfully and not hastily, and then draw conclusions and hand out to all the sisters the embassies or alternates!
  5. Bombardier
    Bombardier 29 August 2014 09: 41
    +7
    I did not read.
    In my opinion, everything happened simply - the guys went to a neighboring village for alcohol (this is evidenced by the fact that there was no officer with the unit - the question is, where did these paratroopers wave without him? Who served knows how it happens).
  6. Anubis
    Anubis 29 August 2014 09: 43
    +3
    The position of the Ministry of Defense on this matter is not clear, why is it silent? The media are also stubbornly silent about this. Is it really difficult for the MO to check the lists of military personnel and verify this information. Yes, the situation is strange, similar to another provocation by Ukraine.
  7. navara399
    navara399 29 August 2014 09: 45
    +11
    Well, one can recognize the certain success of the SBU, albeit with blunders, but they were able to crank out the planned operation. Inadequate work of our special services in this sector, well, well, he is not mistaken who does nothing. And a lot has been done, so let it be science and keep our military in good shape. There will be less hiding moods. for beaten, they give two not beaten.
  8. 787nkx
    787nkx 29 August 2014 09: 47
    +5
    The paratroopers deviated from the route, they were detained,
    crushed decently, physically and psychologically.
    Then the uncle enters the cell and introduces himself to the FSB, the embassy, ​​military attache or whatever.
    And he says: "You guys are great, we will not leave you, your command has put everyone on their ears, Shoigu personally controls your release. Well, so that the situation does not heat up and our actions do not interfere, you are not afraid here, sign anything, say what they ask. . Tomorrow, at least the day after tomorrow you will be at home. "
    Generally divorced guys.
    So the guys sang.
  9. Boris55
    Boris55 29 August 2014 09: 51
    +1
    Old anecdote:
    An old man is sitting in a village with an old woman on a bench. The military equipment stops not far from them, the military go out, get out a map and start turning it ...
    - Ivan, what are the military doing?
    - Yes, they turn the map, now they will ask for the road.

    And one more:
    Two young lieutenants were captured. They took one for interrogation. He returns and begins to bang his head against the wall.
    - Ivan, are you crazy?
    - pi, pi, pi - the teachers told me, (banging my head against the wall), learn the materiel, learn the materiel ...

    Regarding our fighters: as soon as they lose interest in terms of junta propaganda, they will be returned whole and healthy.
    1. korjik
      korjik 29 August 2014 11: 11
      +2
      Question? Where will the whistlers return? Especially that angry jackal.
    2. Sergey Medvedev
      Sergey Medvedev 29 August 2014 11: 26
      +3
      Quote: Boris55
      Regarding our fighters: as soon as they lose interest in terms of junta propaganda, they will be returned whole and healthy.


      So already the next 62 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already been interned. Do not let go, as before. So now there is someone to trade for.
  10. fax66
    fax66 29 August 2014 09: 52
    +5
    One thing is clear - the matter is unclean ... It could not have done without fraud and provocation, that's for sure. So these warriors will not be returned soon (they can tell too much).
    But the worst thing is that the MO is silent. It seems that they themselves can’t figure it out or figure it out, but they’re silent, so as not to get from the GDP for gouging.
    1. KUOLEMA
      KUOLEMA 29 August 2014 10: 33
      +2
      And what can they say that gouging in the troops will naturally not be recognized or commented on
    2. tolancop
      tolancop 29 August 2014 13: 55
      +4
      You, dear, apparently, you have a poor idea of ​​WHAT and HOW is done in the army.
      If there is an order "DISASSEMBLE and SUBMIT by such a deadline", and there was one in this case, do not even hesitate, then the "showdown" machine is spinning nonstop and rather briskly. And this car is turned not least by people who will not be affected by the results of the showdown (in order to preserve objectivity). And the report on the results of the showdown will be made exactly by the specified date. The complete picture will not be ready, it does not matter, they will report what they managed to dig up. And a new date will be set for the next report. And the fact that the results of the showdown in the Ministry of Defense did not appear in the press does not mean that the Ministry of Defense "... keeps silent, so as not to receive from the GDP for carelessness." Not everything gets to the press from what was put on the table of the commander-in-chief.
  11. Alexan
    Alexan 29 August 2014 09: 55
    +8
    Did the article with deep analysis provoke a desire to comment? Or here it is difficult to freeze humorous patriotic nonsense. Thanks to the author for the ability to demonstrate how this can be with everyone. The officers do not inform the soldiers about the reality of what is happening. The conditions are not just "close to combat", but - combat! In addition to "not succumbing to provocations" there must be "weapons at the ready"!
    1. hrapon
      29 August 2014 09: 59
      +6
      Thanks from the author.
  12. captain
    captain 29 August 2014 10: 00
    +18
    There is no need to be surprised at Generalov's "singing". I have a colleague in the Marine Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Minaev, early. Air Defense of the 61st Marine Regiment, so he specially went on vacation to Kiev to lay flowers on the Maidan. And he laid it all out in classmates. Only when I wrote to him about the money received from the hated Russians, he removed the photo. He continues to serve in the Russian army.
    1. region46
      region46 29 August 2014 10: 35
      +10
      it was not for him to write, but to the FSB and counterintelligence, even if they would deal with him as an unreliable element
  13. saag
    saag 29 August 2014 10: 02
    0
    I have such an impression. that nothing will happen to anyone, the thesis "I don't give up mine" in action
    1. hrapon
      29 August 2014 10: 42
      +5
      That is unlikely. The direct passage will be cleaned with everything, an artillery ramrod with skipi.darom.

      To moderators: Guys, stop banning the word "skipi.dar"
  14. KazakPatrol
    KazakPatrol 29 August 2014 10: 04
    +23
    Whoever said anything, but in vain the Russian Ministry of Defense abandoned educational structures, look at the consciousness of these "paratroopers", they simply do not exist, they are weak in spirit! A family, not a family, you are a military man, and then you receive normal monetary allowance, but there are many apartments, but how to show yourself for the Motherland, they immediately hide under a skirt. Yesterday I watched their mothers and wives perform, and it takes a lot of evil. Uncle Vasya would be shocked!
  15. Strashila
    Strashila 29 August 2014 10: 09
    +6
    Let's start with a simple one, there are detained Russian servicemen ... but there is no place to confirm their detention in Ukraine.
    Given the situation in the border areas, a clash of parts cannot be ruled out in Russia.
    It cannot be ruled out that dill use poorly controlled sections of the border to bypass maneuver and transfer troops across Russian territory.
    Given that exercises were ongoing in that area, it can be assumed that intelligence of dill spotted a group that lost orientation on the ground and brazenly squeezed them out on Russian territory.
    If it were there everything would be different, especially in media coverage.
    1. Sergey777
      Sergey777 29 August 2014 10: 55
      +4
      Quite, and indeed, this could easily be By and large, knowing the distribution ... in some of our military men they could have done such an operation, it’s for the kaklams to prove to them the presence of our military as air.
      "ps" you can minus! :)
  16. Leo7777
    Leo7777 29 August 2014 10: 10
    +2
    Quote: Good cat
    One question is why is everything in the old Soviet camouflage, which Ukrainians go to? We have a city in the outback of military units on the fingers of one’s to count, soldiers on the street very rarely come across, and then for three years now they’ve been walking in numbers ??

    In fact, they have a number (the first in the photo and the third in a T-shirt), and the rest are simply wearing a camouflage.
  17. creak
    creak 29 August 2014 10: 12
    +1
    Smirnov’s gaze reads doom - he understands that he is committing treason


    On what grounds does the author take the liberty of making such charges? He knows more about the incident than anyone else, knows what really happened there and therefore tries on the role of the prosecutor and accuses the soldier of betrayal in advance - this was already in our recent past - he was captured, then a traitor ... How many fates were it’s broken in such a way ... There could be anything in such a mess or puff pie now on the Russian-Ukrainian border ... We must wait for the results of the official investigation and only then draw conclusions ... Since the author presses only the keyboard without risking anything, then it would be time for him to remain silent and not crawl out with such accusations ... Since I myself am a war veteran and do not know how to do things in other words, I am categorically against unfounded accusations .. These computer heroes are fed up with - too many of them divorced recently time, unfortunately, at the forum ... I didn’t want to write, but I could not resist, it was boiling ...
    1. hrapon
      29 August 2014 10: 20
      +16
      My dear ranger, if you noticed I didn't accuse them of anything, although I could. I wrote what I see. Unlike you, I am a professional in the field of interrogations and investigations, because served in a body in the military prosecutor's office for a long time and was an investigator for especially important cases at the Main Military Prosecutor's Office. I have seen enough of such gouges as Generals and Milchakov, including in the "elite" units.
      1. creak
        creak 29 August 2014 11: 24
        +3
        So what about the prosecutor, I was not mistaken, not even knowing who the author of the comment is ... I don’t think it’s possible to engage in polemics, since I am also a professional (a third-generation military man), but unlike you, I sniffed gunpowder and I know how they behave in war from your own experience, and not from the testimony of those under investigation like you ... If it’s clear to you now, not leaving your computer, that Generals and Milchakov are gouging, and Smironov is committing treason and that’s all - then what to talk about ... Watch next .. .
        1. Bruss
          Bruss 29 August 2014 13: 26
          +3
          What a powerful dislike for the military prosecutor's office! Antipathy, right!
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 29 August 2014 15: 14
            +6
            Quote: bruss
            What a powerful dislike for the military prosecutor's office! Antipathy, right!

            and not the military prosecutor’s office, Colonel BUDANOVA, gave the militants to be torn to pieces, putting him in a Grozny pre-trial detention center, in a place with militants ???

            I know how to "talk" with persons under investigation ....
            so that I DO NOT DEAR, mister former prosecutor, you know better as they say .....

            but about captured paratroopers:
            1. that they all dishonored all the Airborne Forces is a fait accompli ...
            2. they are guilty of this, I think NO !!! the command is guilty, military commissars .. how did such people with such an unstable psyche take on service in the Airborne Forces ????
            3. AND MOST IMPORTANT: THE FIGHTERS WERE NOT PREPARED FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF Capturing and Interrogation !!!

            probably it’s given to someone, to withstand EVERYTHING and remain human by man, but not given to someone ((((I don’t blame anyone, I’m not sure how I would act in this situation)))

            I give an example HOLY GREAT Martyr Eugene Rodionov
            The hero of modern Russia - the first Chechen campaign. In 1996, was captured by militants. After 100 days of cruel torture and bullying, he did not lose his stamina and constantly tried to escape. Wahhabis demanded that Eugene to break the pectoral cross and accept Islam, go to their side. He refused. Then the Chechens cut off the soldier’s head. The story received wide resonance later, when the participants in the execution confessed to what they had done and talked about Yevgeny Rodionov as a man whom even animals like them seemed to respect.
            Rodionov is a unique case for another reason. Parents reacted negatively to the wearing of a body cross by the son, but the soldier did not betray the Orthodox Faith. Therefore, in 2003 it was proposed to canonize him - to rank the saints. Officially, the church did not recognize canonization, because, according to the rules, evidence is needed that until the time of the test the warrior led a “conscious Christian life”. Nevertheless, Rodionov is revered in Serbia as a local saint, in some regions of Russia there are prayers and cults. In the United States since 2011, Rodionov has been included in the requiem, recommended when reading the Orthodox army chaplains of the country.

            Ramzan Kadyrov, the current President of Chechnya, comments on the act of Yevgeny Rodionov as follows: “My opinion about the death of the soldier Rodionov, who was killed by bandits, demanding to change his faith, is a heroic act of one person and the vile abomination of those who killed him


            from the Cross to the Cross, the place of martyrdom of Evgeny Rodionov
            1. Bruss
              Bruss 29 August 2014 23: 11
              +2
              I’m far from thinking that the prosecutors themselves decided to turn in the hero of Russia Budanov! There were dohua human rights activists! And not all winds and undercurrents are known to us! In that story, not everything is simple and obvious!
              And the article is a big plus - the first study using the brain, not emotions!
        2. hrapon
          29 August 2014 13: 30
          +2
          I do not accuse Smirnov of betrayal. This is his attitude to his own deed. I see his emotions at the moment when he tells a lie and realizes that he is harming his country. He has a tough choice. They were suddenly pulled out of their peaceful life. He was not ready to be in the "war." Many people could get confused in his position. But he has a conscience and it shows. It can be seen that he remembers what the oath is. Nor do I blame Romantsev. But I have questions to Generalov and Milchakov. And there are many more of them than I have written.
          And I sniffed gunpowder where the military was not shot.

          I advise you to watch the film L. Shepitko "Ascent" based on the novel by V. Bykov "Sotnikov". Thinking that many questions will disappear.
        3. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 30 August 2014 03: 11
          0
          Watch the enemy TV series "Lie to Me" - reading on facial expressions - and you will have no doubt that a professional can see through and through the subject without an X-ray.
  18. region46
    region46 29 August 2014 10: 33
    +1
    how many stars with epaulettes will fall! I think the whole starfall will be
    1. Shur
      Shur 29 August 2014 22: 46
      0
      I can't believe it, I can't believe it at all. Not at this time. Here the obvious Tubaretkins were released in peace, and for such a "trifle" only one place would be wiped out by the junior squad. They will appoint the guilty person and that's it.
  19. nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 29 August 2014 10: 36
    +1
    If the author is right, and the guys were detained on the 20th, then in some of them they should have lost 24 (!!!) according to the full program! Is that why MO is silent? Disassembly is unambiguous.
  20. PeaceByForce
    PeaceByForce 29 August 2014 10: 36
    +1
    Where is BMD? If UKRs do not show, then it’s not there, do you get them on foot?
    1. hrapon
      29 August 2014 10: 39
      0
      Apparently, one was burned by the Ukrainians, and the other two with the rest of the fighters managed to withdraw the platoon commander.
  21. zone72
    zone72 29 August 2014 10: 45
    +6
    ARTICLE EVERYTHING CORRECTLY REFLECTS AS MILITARY POSSIBLE MYSELF SO SHOULD BE SILENT AS A FISH AND NOT ON A CAMERA TRINDING
  22. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 29 August 2014 10: 53
    +2
    Dear author! If you look at the story of the paratroopers from your point of view, the participation of star-striped paws emerges in this captivity operation. Moreover, there are plenty of them.
    1. hrapon
      29 August 2014 10: 58
      +2
      I do not exclude it.
  23. ing
    ing 29 August 2014 11: 02
    +5
    The article is very sensible, enlightened to the fullest. But then the question to the fathers-commanders, if there were 20 people lost, then measures should be taken to search with all the forces and means, all the more BMD was gone, and since the march took place and they were sent by the commander for the lagging equipment and they didn’t return immediately after them if they didn’t send or didn’t even contact the radio, it’s generally p ... q After that, the question can only be asked to Shamanov, no one else, and the guys have nothing to blame, let everyone try the situation on himself, there are no witnesses, they will slap and throw and no one will know, etc.
    1. hrapon
      29 August 2014 11: 07
      0
      It's true.
    2. tolancop
      tolancop 29 August 2014 14: 02
      0
      And who told you that they were not looking for? I’m sure that they got off their feet and the phones became hot from searches.
  24. O. Bender
    O. Bender 29 August 2014 11: 10
    +3
    The version of what happened is that the Ukrainian Air Force or the SBU invaded the territory of the Russian Federation and captured the servicemen of the Russian Defense Ministry as a haunter. In Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry, a note of protest and the media chase this topic until the record is sawn. Debriefing after.
  25. Eugenenl
    Eugenenl 29 August 2014 11: 22
    +4
    Two problems are emerging:
    1. Why do the MoD and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs do not yell and growl at all the dill on all channels to give away everything to us? Where is the Shoigu statement? It is in such an information vacuum that doubts are born, and the enemy does not sleep and fills the vacuum with shit. After all, Boeing did a good job, gathered a press conference, explained on the fingers, but here ... It's not clear ...
    2. What kind of paratroopers are they? What kind of warriors, who not only surrendered all the info about themselves, but also turned their mouths on Russia? What, they forgot that grandfathers and great-grandfathers were real men who would not have allowed themselves such a thing during the Second World War? Or are they from some other tribe? Relatives of Vlasov? Shame ...

    PS Point 2 is emotional and true only if all events are close to the truth. And I don't want to believe in it. Absolutely! I would rather believe that the dill chipped them with some kind of rubbish before the "press conference" ...
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    2. mitya24
      mitya24 29 August 2014 12: 04
      -2
      You can not blame these guys. I am sure that few people have visited this site in their shoes. And do not compare them with our grandfathers. Those in 41 fought for their MOTHERLAND, and for it life is not a pity, but who are they fighting for? For the DNI? For the LPR?
      1. Eugenenl
        Eugenenl 29 August 2014 12: 16
        +3
        It's hard for me to agree with you. Do you think if there was a war, they would have acted differently? I don’t know how it is now, but in our "pre-perestroika" Soviet era, in captivity during interrogation, it was only allowed to name and title. But do not give up everything and everyone, including pouring dirt on your country. Therefore, I repeat, since this is a dark matter, I still hope that it was not without brainwashing with the use of "chemistry" ... There is the concept of honor, officer's honor, soldier's honor, conscience. Nobody canceled these concepts.
        1. mitya24
          mitya24 29 August 2014 13: 44
          0
          Honor and conscience are all good, of course, but this is something ideal, but family and children are very material. And we must very clearly imagine what we can and cannot do. In my opinion, the children of these guys will not abandon their dishonest and unscrupulous fathers. A living dad is probably better than a dead one.
          1. Eugenenl
            Eugenenl 29 August 2014 15: 02
            0
            I respect your opinion, remaining at my ... hi
        2. mitya24
          mitya24 29 August 2014 13: 44
          0
          Honor and conscience are all good, of course, but this is something ideal, but family and children are very material. And we must very clearly imagine what we can and cannot do. In my opinion, the children of these guys will not abandon their dishonest and unscrupulous fathers. A living dad is probably better than a dead one.
      2. denis02135
        denis02135 29 August 2014 15: 40
        -4
        No, they are fighting for Stalin for Putin. and also for Sechin, Miler, Yakunin.

        mitya24 to you +
    3. denis02135
      denis02135 29 August 2014 15: 17
      -3
      Dear on your emotional second point.
      1. In Israel, if a pilot is captured, after 1-2 hours he can tell everything that he knows since all codes will change, etc., and they will save him or exchange one in a thousand like Gilad Shalit (let my Israeli colleagues correct me)
      2. Even on the BRDM-2 there was a "coordinator of navigation equipment" and where is GLONASS or at worst oh oh oh GPS (Americans jam the signal)
      3. In Pskov 3 people are buried or you need more.
      4. Order 270 of August 16, 1941 .... "I order: commanders and political workers who, during the battle, tear off their insignia and defect to the rear or surrender to the enemy, are considered malicious deserters, whose families are subject to arrest as families of those who violated the oath and deserters who betrayed their homeland. "....
    4. denis02135
      denis02135 29 August 2014 15: 36
      -3
      Dear on your emotional second point.
      1. In Israel, if a pilot is captured, after 1-2 hours he can tell everything that he knows since all codes will change, etc., and they will save him or exchange one in a thousand like Gilad Shalit (let my Israeli colleagues correct me), and here Our army does not fight in Ukraine V. Putin.
      2. Even on the BRDM-2 there was a "coordinator of navigation equipment" and where is GLONASS or at worst oh oh oh GPS (Americans jam the signal)
      3. In Pskov 3 people are buried or you need more.
      4. Order 270 of August 16, 1941 .... "I order: commanders and political workers who, during the battle, tear off their insignia and defect to the rear or surrender to the enemy, are considered malicious deserters, whose families are subject to arrest as families of those who violated the oath and deserters who have betrayed their homeland. "... You should have frolic there (at 41 in the detachment).
      It’s not for you to judge these people you are here, but they are THERE and if they return alive and healthy then their mothers will be happy.
      Excuse me emotionally.
      1. Eugenenl
        Eugenenl 29 August 2014 16: 53
        +2
        Um ...
        Quote: denis02135
        In Israel...

        Each nation has its own traditions, views on honor and conscience. Our homeland has always been in the first place, not life. I "participated" in due time, I have a little idea what it is about. True, it was back in Soviet times, but I don’t think that anything in the worldview of the right soldier should have changed.
        Quote: denis02135
        3. In Pskov 3 people are buried or you need more.

        This information was reported by the Ukrainian media and the Russian liberal media. I do not believe either.
        Quote: denis02135
        It’s not for you to judge these people you are here, but they are THERE and if they return alive and healthy then their mothers will be happy.

        I am not a judge, I am an expresser of my opinion. I also respect the opinion of mitya24, although he has a different view on this issue. I do not try to impose my own or reproach him, if only because yes, we do not have a war.
        Quote: denis02135
        You would go there (at 41 to the detachment) to frolic.

        Not sure if you are in the subject ...

        From August 1 to October 1, 1942, 140 755 servicemen were detained by detachments runaway frontline. From the number of detainees:

        3 people were arrested;
        shot 1 people; (i.e., less than 189%)
        2 people were sent to penal companies;
        185 people were sent to penal battalions;
        returned to its parts and to forwarding points 131 094 person.
        Quote: denis02135
        It’s not for you to judge these people. You are here, but they are there

        I'm not here! I am in Russia, so I have a Russian flag, unlike your American!
        1. denis02135
          denis02135 29 August 2014 22: 08
          0
          Dear, my American flag is a minus, but I wanted to know the HOMELAND that the place where you live, where you were born, where your ancestors are buried,
          or thieving rules that hang noodles on the ears. And what do you think Sikorsky, Zvarykin and others their homeland is where. Sorry about the detachment squad, and although I live in the United States my homeland is the USSR Lived in Kaliningrad, Odessa, St. Petersburg, Khabarovsk, Chita, Omsk, Riga (military father) so I saw the country with my family myself.
          [quote = EugeneNL] I'm not here! I am in Russia, so I have a Russian flag, unlike your American

          I meant at the computer and not in Ukraine.
          The country's traditions are good, but you can also pass Moscow in 1812 if necessary for business and Kutuzov loved his homeland no less than you. Sorry again if offended or offended. Sincerely. hi
          PS And this order I dragged in only then that usually the leadership blames their own mistakes on the people (I got bad) did not die in battle but surrendered.
  26. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 29 August 2014 11: 22
    +1
    I agree with the author in everything. Professionally laid out the facts on the shelves. He made and voiced his conclusions. And what are some charges here? The article plus is unique and special thanks for the link to the map.
  27. delorian
    delorian 29 August 2014 11: 23
    0
    as I suppose, here they either really gave up vodka (moonshine) to a neighboring village or know more than ordinary citizens .... most likely they chopped one up and said something superfluous, or maybe they just took it in fright .... but the guys are still full on camera refuse to carry garbage so that not all is lost!
  28. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 29 August 2014 12: 12
    +5
    No, well, everything is clear that the tame bear escaped, the Ukrainians themselves stole the cap with earflaps, the runaway bear drank vodka, but where is the balalaika ?? After all, neither Ukraine nor the bear needs it. Therefore, I believe the BMD’s belonging to the Russian paratroopers is unproven! Nevertheless:
    Employees of Svidomo's Facebook, Photoshop and garbage dumps near the military unit reported on the "capture of BMD-2 from the 76th Airborne Division":

    They even made a photo for confirmation (they painted it in Photoshop or the car of the "air cemeteries" - I won't say for sure), and also pulled photos of the paratroopers from social networks, calling them the crew of the car, and also bought or stole some items of military use from army dumps.



    And now (tadaam!) A photo of a real BMD with tail number 275 from the 76th "Pskov" Guards Airborne Assault Division (taken here:
    http://lenta.ru/news/2012/09/25/commander/
    , 2012 news of the year, the machine itself in part from about 2008):

    As you can see, this is the latest BMD-4, which Ukrainian liars and provocateurs, with all their desire, could not get it. Therefore, apparently they decided that for the screeching-galloping zombie herd, "it will do just that."
  29. carbofo
    carbofo 29 August 2014 12: 16
    +2
    There will always be someone who can be broken, it is inevitable.
    The guys had a trivial transition from point A to point B, of course that they were not ready for this alignment.
    As for the confessions, no information was provided regarding the intentional entry into the outskirts.
    The views of some directly read from the sheet, this can not be hidden.
    I believe that there has been an unintentional border crossing on an unmarked area.
    Of course, the guys were not lucky, but in fact they were lucky not to be killed in the head by ATO officers with a fright, or for whatever reason.
    And they are so alive but morally tolerated from the SBU and later they will have to answer the questions of the military prosecutor’s office as they are pulled out, given the political rally, the guys will get both from ours and from ours.
  30. Death Nik1
    Death Nik1 29 August 2014 12: 20
    0
    I don't understand why you are so angry with your captured paratroopers. Is it really not clear that now the most important thing is to save their lives. Let "sing" whatever you like. If only they were kept alive. Let at least Islam or Catholicism accept. Any words given under threat of violence cannot be considered sincere. The time will come when they will be exchanged for Ukrainian prisoners, then it is necessary to conduct an investigation and punish if necessary, but for now it is important to get them out of captivity.
    1. 12423 student
      12423 student 29 August 2014 13: 02
      0
      Quote: Smert Nik1
      I don't understand why you are so angry with your captured paratroopers. Is it really not clear that now the most important thing is to save their lives. Let "sing" whatever you like. If only they were kept alive. Let at least Islam or Catholicism accept. Any words given under threat of violence cannot be considered sincere. The time will come when they will be exchanged for Ukrainian prisoners, then it is necessary to conduct an investigation and punish if necessary, but for now it is important to get them out of captivity.

      This is an Israeli (Jewish) principle and does not fit the Russian army.
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      2. mitya24
        mitya24 29 August 2014 14: 19
        0
        No need to drive on Israeli principles. It's time to realize that human life is the most important thing. And the statements about the fact that the Russian woman is giving birth to new men, have led to the fact that we can still restore the male population. And God forbid, the Student in the shoes of these boys will be. It is still unknown what You would sing there.
        1. 12423 student
          12423 student 30 August 2014 05: 02
          +1
          And statements about the fact that the Russian woman gives birth to new men. This is not my statement.
          About singing. To sing or not to sing. Were you instructed during the service about captive behavior? To sing or not to sing. I'm not there. Who determines the rules of conduct in captivity?
          If human life is the most important thingthen all resistance to the junta is a crime against civilians. There would be no resistance, there would be no deaths. And all Ukraine would live happily
          but I’m sure that there are things more important than life.
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    3. carbofo
      carbofo 29 August 2014 13: 37
      0
      Quote: Smert Nik1
      Even if they accept Islam or Catholicism

      Russians do not give up.
      Maybe for this.
      Watch the film "Bogdan Khmelnitsky" performed by Bogdan Stupok, there is just about you.
      1. carbofo
        carbofo 29 August 2014 14: 09
        +2
        Quote: carbofo
        Watch the film "Bogdan Khmelnitsky" performed by Bogdan Stupok, there is just about you.

        Correct the mistake, the film is called "Taras Bulba", the actor is unchanged.
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      3. mitya24
        mitya24 29 August 2014 14: 38
        +1
        In this regard, I allow myself the question: 4 million .559 thousand people of Soviet prisoners of war during the Second World War, and this, according to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (German command 5 million. 200 thousand). NOT RUSSIAN in your opinion?
        1. 12423 student
          12423 student 30 August 2014 05: 28
          +1
          Quote: mitya24
          In this regard, I allow myself the question: 4 million .559 thousand people of Soviet prisoners of war during the Second World War, and this, according to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (German command 5 million. 200 thousand). NOT RUSSIAN in your opinion?

          Of course the Russians. In the First World War, 2,5 million Russian prisoners of war, this is more than in the armies of other countries combined (except Austrian). It is not sad, but a fact.
          But do not conclude from this that surrender is the norm.
          1. mitya24
            mitya24 30 August 2014 10: 14
            -1
            Once again, I explain to you if the first time it did not work out. The fact of surrender does not cancel the Russianness of the surrender. They always surrendered into captivity, read the annals, then it was called full. And to say that the Russians do not give up is complete nonsense. And in the history of the Second World War, we all well remember what such non-recognition led to, namely, Amer prisoners of war even received tobacco in concentration camps, and our prisoners, unrecognized by the MOTHERLAND, ate what was left of the remaining categories of prisoners.
            1. mkpu 73-77
              mkpu 73-77 1 September 2014 01: 36
              0
              Quote: mitya24
              They always surrendered into captivity, read the annals, then it was called full. And to say that the Russians do not give up is complete nonsense

              Initially, the physical body is captured - this is a nuisance - nothing more.
              Shame comes at the moment of readiness to begin to repent before those who have taken you prisoner.
              "My commander (full name) did not say where we were going" - and you are not supposed to know before the time!
              "... and in general I am against what the command and the government are doing. Against the war, I would know - I would not go ..." - why did you join the army and take the oath ?!
              Here it is a shame, a loss of shame and conscience. Betrayal!
              These “lost” ones have already been returned. And no matter what they say in their defense - “the word is not a sparrow” and “you have to answer for the market”!
  31. Leopold
    Leopold 29 August 2014 12: 37
    +1
    maybe they went for trophies, hell knows their paratroopers
  32. bubla5
    bubla5 29 August 2014 12: 38
    0
    Why the command of the paratroopers is silent, that’s the question, if the commander acknowledged the fact, then the senior convoy put his tongue somewhere, it means they just surrendered the soldiers to Minsk, they’re grandmothers
    1. Antiaircrafter
      Antiaircrafter 29 August 2014 12: 55
      +4
      Good afternoon. The unit commander, unit commanders and other interested parties will give an interview to WHO SHOULD, not to the media misinformation!
      1. bubla5
        bubla5 29 August 2014 13: 41
        0
        If so, then we have not gone far from Ukrainians
  33. komrad.klim
    komrad.klim 29 August 2014 12: 45
    +1
    Here, a carefully planned SBU capture of members of the RF Armed Forces at the border takes place. For experienced operatives, such a seizure with some training will not be difficult. In general, similar actions in the history of wars have been carried out more than once. To carry out the seizure, it is enough to study the materials of our own intelligence, and targeted actions to carry out the action (introducing agents into the enemy’s camp, bribing, obtaining information about deployment, movement, etc.)
    1. 12423 student
      12423 student 29 August 2014 13: 20
      0
      Quote: komrad.klim
      Here, a carefully planned SBU capture of members of the RF Armed Forces at the border takes place. For experienced operatives, such a seizure with some training will not be difficult. In general, similar actions in the history of wars have been carried out more than once. To carry out the seizure, it is enough to study the materials of our own intelligence, and targeted actions to carry out the action (introducing agents into the enemy’s camp, bribing, obtaining information about deployment, movement, etc.)

      Soldiers from different companies of one regiment gathered in one place. Maybe they were captured at different times, and not all at once all together?
      1. hrapon
        29 August 2014 14: 49
        +4
        Most likely BMD lagged behind the sapper platoon. The generals introduced himself as a sapper, but Milchakov did not name his post, but I assume that they are from the same unit. For the stragglers, fighters from another unit were sent, most likely scouts. This just confirms the accuracy of the story Savosteev. I draw your attention to the fact that six, including Sergeant Svosteyev, could not be broken.
    2. Ayujak
      Ayujak 29 August 2014 13: 33
      +1
      And besides, do not forget who is sitting in the main building of the SBU in Kiev. Like from a Boeing, I smell it from one headquarters was planned.
  34. Spasatel
    Spasatel 29 August 2014 13: 10
    +3
    But actually it’s all vile and disgusting.
    Even the bare fact of the capture of our soldiers, if these are really our soldiers, raises a lot of questions for the fathers-commanders. Which, incidentally, is hard to believe, knowing the Soviet-Russian caution in provoking politically important points in such a matter.
    I can’t believe it!
    But if this is true - then worthless to our military strategists!
    ...
  35. sergant6776
    sergant6776 29 August 2014 13: 26
    0
    Alternatively, in return, you can somewhere near Bryansk or Belgorod or the same Rostov near the DON highway where the murders of drivers and under the "tower" are recorded .... They will exchange how to drink if they harnessed Savchenko for this bitch ....
  36. Roman_999
    Roman_999 29 August 2014 13: 43
    0
    I offer this version:
    They could steal the guys, it doesn’t matter that there are a lot of them, they made a mistake in the maps, got lost, fell asleep, the guards were badly taken prisoner, that this was the territory of Ukraine only from representatives of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. No combat mission was carried out, only an orientation error, please inform the command. Everything.
    The war is not declared, the Ukrainians are obliged to return the people, intact.
    Although they can spoil, or God forbid, the bad that they will do to the fighters, depending on whom they please.
  37. brn521
    brn521 29 August 2014 14: 12
    +2
    Ukrainians would dress them up or something. And the version that it’s like those same Russian troops that distributed the lyulee of the regular Ukrainian army somehow doesn’t roll at all. Let it be determined, or these are powerful professionals, armed to the teeth, and captured purely by accident. Or it’s goners who were specially grabbed, and on which you can hang any business. In the photographs - ordinary goners. And what they themselves say to me on the drum. In SBU paws, I still would not have sung.
    In general, all the same nonsense as before.
  38. dog78
    dog78 29 August 2014 14: 14
    +3
    For me, as good an article as version
  39. resh
    resh 29 August 2014 14: 33
    +1
    It seems to me that if it is still ours, then upon returning home they should be awarded. If they are returned in a good way, then there is no war with Russia. And if they continue to be kept in a pre-trial detention center, despite the fact that they were with discharged weapons and just peeing out, then why should Russia feed and treat punishers rescuing their skins on our territory? And then let go home? Our 10, and ukrov? Problem.
  40. provincial
    provincial 29 August 2014 14: 52
    +3
    Please do not call "these little brothers" paratroopers. And the Russian Ministry of Defense is a big minus in the education of its military personnel. With such "paratroopers" we will navoyu
    1. mitya24
      mitya24 30 August 2014 10: 29
      0
      Bl ..... well, pi .... c. Again, the rank and file are to blame. Where are the officers bl ... I ask you? .... Where is Shoigu bl .... with explanations? What does the author write there? that the platoon commander with the remaining two boxes left? Do you teach to throw your own at the RVVDKU?
  41. Agent 008
    Agent 008 29 August 2014 14: 58
    +4
    I’ll tell you so: to stay in the interrogation and to withstand torture, we need a special powerful PSYCHOLOGICAL training by instructors, as in SPECIAL DIVISIONS, and more than one day ... And everyone wants, from the plain, frankly, not trained guys, that they should be silent. .. Personally, I am not surprised by their behavior, and if at the mention of a pregnant wife and child they are ready to sell their homeland, then in the war they have nothing to do - let them sit at home ...
    1. carbofo
      carbofo 30 August 2014 11: 05
      0
      Quote: Agent 008
      if at the mention of a pregnant wife and child they are ready to sell their homeland, then in the war they have nothing to do - let them sit at home ...

      You can’t be so categorical, you don’t know what they were rubbing there, and what they pressed.
      A person who was not mentally prepared for such a situation may well swim, this is not news.
      Moreover, we do not wage war !.
  42. Villi
    Villi 29 August 2014 15: 13
    +1
    And personally, I am ashamed that the Russian "paratroopers" broke down and chirped like singers after several hours in captivity. Just listen to them: "RETURN TO MOTHER! MOTHER TAKE ME! OBJECT BUT NOT A BATTLE!", Ugh.
    1. I am
      I am 29 August 2014 21: 39
      0
      For example, I was surprised by something else. If this case happened and our guys are held captive by the ukrov. THEN, provided that it is not a setup. it is necessary to RELEASE THEM, regardless of the fact that they were "singing" there an hour after the arrest. And only after they find themselves on the territory of RUSSIA to conduct proceedings. Where are our specialists ???????? Or is this whole case a provocation and a setup and our guys are not there ????????
  43. ratmir
    ratmir 29 August 2014 15: 27
    +6
    "Nobody except us!"

    "The paratrooper is concentrated will, strong character and the ability to take risks."
    "The Airborne Forces is the courage of the highest class, the courage of the first category, the number one combat readiness."
    "Knocked down - fight on your knees, you can't walk - step on your feet!"

    Or is it all just August 2 in the fountain?
  44. The point
    The point 29 August 2014 15: 33
    +2
    I've forgotten something. When the Ukrovskaya BMP crossed the Russian border and got lost somewhere in the Rostov (if I am not mistaken) region, no one pressed the Ukrainian military. Those who are now passing into the territory of "Colorado" and "quilted jackets" are generally fed, treated and released. What the hell? Why don't we start filtering these prisoners, who cannot even be called prisoners, since the Russian Federation is not at war with Ukraine? soldier
    Sorry if you messed up something. hi
  45. MahsusNazar
    MahsusNazar 29 August 2014 16: 37
    +2
    Why blame the author?
    The analysis was carried out and, I looked at the maps and videos, my opinion is that the author writes reasonably and draws conclusions from what he saw. And what he saw is such that you only begin to think as the author reasones.
    As for "gave juice", well, it sounded harsh, but let's define who and how they behave in a crisis situation. And everyone behaves differently, someone sings like a nightingale, someone swears, someone is silent and focused, and someone is talking (I apologize for my French)
    I have questions about how they were taken, what was really with them, weapons, ammunition, BMD. The answer depends on who to tear in the first place.
    After all, if you were traveling with weapons and without cartridges, as our fathers practiced / comfort, whatever happened, then this is one case, if they were attacked by BMD, this is different, and if they were stolen without weapons and ammunition when they were AWOL or when following a group, it’s a completely different calico.
    The main thing is to bring the guys back, first they are OUR, and secondly, they answer all the questions. That's why I think that it will be almost impossible to do this.
    To conduct a full-fledged investigation, if it does not give answers to questions, then directly, at least steal them back, or beat off under the guise of the Supreme Council of the DRG.
  46. byego
    byego 29 August 2014 17: 35
    0
    Yes, the guys, frankly, are not at all like paratroopers.

    Let's look at the situation from the other side.
    Somehow, our Ministry of Defense is not very concerned about their rescue and does not put forward any notes of protest, and so quietly admits that our guys. Why does the Ministry of Education and Science do this?
    Yes, only to force ukrov to fall for his own lies. Remember how many times ukroSMI yelled about the participation of our regular troops, but everything is unsubstantiated, and then "proof" itself came to hand! See how they started hysteria. Due to the lack of evidence, there was much less hysteria in the false media up to this point.
    Yes, of course this leads to an aggravation of the situation (no matter whose guys), but on the other hand it confirms the groundlessness of the rest of the statements about the columns of military equipment from Russia in Ukraine and the crowds of the regular army of Russia fighting in the east of dill.
    If such a hysteria against the background of the "detention" or squeezing out of only 9 soldiers from our border, then how big the hysteria should have been in Ukraine before this event after statements about a full-scale war, which Russia is developing ...
  47. engin
    engin 29 August 2014 18: 35
    +1
    There is such a hypothesis: the SBU officers caught 10 Russian soldiers. The President said, “there may be ours too,” if my memory serves me, he did not say this in a XNUMX% affirmative, always with reservations. Now they must be returned. Now the actions of Ukrainians, if it is orchestrated: to give or another ... I think, wait for the development of events.
  48. MaKeNa
    MaKeNa 29 August 2014 20: 34
    +3
    The airborne surrendered !!! A shame! If this is really a landing. What did they not know where they were? I do not care where you went, for vodka, to bl ... and captured, why give up? Fight back, leave. And then they saw the dill flag and were blown away. This is not the landing! I hope so.
  49. Second
    Second 29 August 2014 20: 38
    +1
    Guys, everyone can be captured. This is not shameful. Unfortunately this is a war. And in the war THIS HAPPENS. After physical exposure, they will say what is required of them. Now the main thing is to save them. It’s enough for Putin to move a finger so that hundreds of captured Ukrainian soldiers who are now eating dry rations in the Rostov Region were exchanged for our paratroopers. Those who condemn them should consider how they would behave in their place. Just do not cheat. It is one thing to fight side by side with fellow soldiers, it is another thing to be alone surrounded by enemies. Here are their last names:
    Arkhipov Sergey Alexandrovich
    Generalov Alexey Nikolaevich
    Goryashin Andrey Valerievich
    Melchakov Ivan Vasilievich
    Mitrofanov Artyom Vasilievich
    Pochtoev Egor Valerievich
    Romantsev Ivan Igorevich
    Savasteev Vladimir Vyacheslavovich
    Smirnov Sergey Alekseevich
    PS And we all need to demand their speedy release. If God forbid something happens to them, then Poroshenko-Waltzman will have a bullet in the brain.
  50. Serg7281
    Serg7281 29 August 2014 22: 07
    +2
    Today Poroshenko promised to return these would-be warriors. Then it will become clear who is who. If they return, everything means the mess in the troops will not be eliminated to the end. Well, if this "valiant four" or one of them wishes to stay in Ukraine, then everything will fall into place, it means that the military counterintelligence has really buzzed the "action" with its ears.
    1. hrapon
      29 August 2014 22: 32
      0
      I agree. But "debriefing" will be all the same.