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Russian paratroopers in Ukraine. Kiev inflated a big soap bubble and is afraid that it will burst

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One of the topics whose discussion does not descend from the pages of the media, from forums and social networks continues to be the topic of the appearance in Ukraine of people who call themselves Russian paratroopers. As is known, all the soldiers detained by the Ukrainian side were declared representatives of the 331 personnel of the 98 regiment of the Svirsky division of the Airborne Forces of the RF Armed Forces. There are no doubts that these are Russian paratroopers after they familiarize themselves with the profiles on social networks of people who appear on Ukrainian personnel (well, of course, if you don’t fall into a conspiracy about fake profiles).

Russian paratroopers in Ukraine. Kiev inflated a big soap bubble and is afraid that it will burst

In the photo, Vladimir Savosteyev, who is today in the Ukrainian SIZO, among other servicemen of the Airborne Forces of the Russian Armed Forces

But this is perhaps the only thing in all this stories no doubt.

In clearly directed video performances, the fighters especially emphasize that their regiment is stationed in Kostroma, and Kostroma is the territory of Russia. Apparently, it is designed for the US State Department, in which there are serious problems with geography. Each of the 10 detainees was forced to speak to the camera to say that the regiment was exactly Kostroma, and it was the Russian!



Itself news about the detention of Russian paratroopers in Ukraine for obvious reasons, does not inspire any positive. The main questions that arise in this case among people who are not indifferent to the current situation are (paraphrasing the not quite censored Internet meme): “how?” And “for what specific purpose?”

If we collect bit by bit all the information that concerns the Russian paratroopers crossing the border, the picture emerges extremely strange and kaleidoscopic. After being informed by the Security Service of Ukraine about the detention of the Russian military, people who were at least somewhat familiar with the army’s laws were alerted by some kind of splints and grotesque events. All the servicemen carried documents, personal tokens, and among other things in the BMD-2, in which the soldiers allegedly moved, was discovered, nothing more, the evening calibration journal of the first parachute company of the military unit 74268 (this is already the Pskov Division Airborne). Since when did the Russian army, when fulfilling an order, move into a combat zone (and the Ukrainian side has full confidence that the Airborne Forces have received such an order) since then do they take all personal documents with them, and even grab an evening calibration journal ? In his comments on the materials submitted by the Ukrainian side, the official representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov noted that such a document was not used in the Russian Armed Forces for at least five years.

And the servicemen themselves looked as if they were not airborne soldiers, but schoolchildren whom the director caught with cigarettes around the corner ... Confused people who carried out the order to conduct combat operations look, to put it mildly, strange, especially considering that they are airborne troops !

As soon as news of the arrest of Russian paratroopers, turned into a large Ukrainian performance with local props, the major media outlets went around, people who had supposedly waited with the RBC team, RBC, which is well known, intervened, intervened in the matter. representatives of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers (CKM) talked with the command of the 98 Airborne Division. It is reported that Colonel Alexander Khotulev (deputy division commander) arrived at the meeting, and allegedly this colonel declared that the personnel of the division suffered losses after an “accidental clash” with the Ukrainian troops. The KCM said that Colonel Hotulev spoke of two dead, ten wounded and nine detainees. At the same time, the representative of the Kostroma branch of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers, Lyudmila Khokhlova, adds that the KSM of Kostroma did not have any personnel from this meeting, since they were allegedly forbidden to take pictures, take pictures and keep audio recording of the conversation. Well, of course! .. Wow, what crystal clear employees of the KSM are - nobody at the meeting with the command even tried to turn on the voice recorder in order to present the facts later. Or did all the “mothers” personally be searched at the entrance of Colonel Hotulev?

"Military Review" asked for more information about the meeting described in the media Lyudmila Khokhlova and Colonel Khotuleva. The request was addressed to the chairman of the Kostroma regional branch of the All-Russian public organization "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia" Nina Terekhova. No reply has yet been given.

Meanwhile, military experts express their opinion on the situation with the detained paratroopers in Ukraine. The opinion explains the confusion with which the soldiers appear on the territory of Ukraine. In particular, on the page of the VK "Reports from the militia of Novorossia" appeared a material called "Bandera adopt HAMAS tactics". In the material, the author argues that the abduction of Russian military personnel in the border zone could have taken place.

Of material:

And everything seems to fit in and fold. ” Like, and Tanks captured paratroopers repainted, glossing over the symbols of the Russian Federation ... But no one is surprised why the military “secretly abandoned” in a foreign country came with medallions, documents, personal items - everything necessary to identify them as Russian military personnel. You can, of course, suspect the “damned militarists” in Moscow of meanness, insidiousness, lies, but blame the Kremlin for idiocy ?!
It seems obscene and simple thing. As you know, Ukrainian Nazis, including army ones, are now being trained by “specialists” from the Islamic Revival Party and the Muslim Brotherhood movement. And these “warriors” from the Middle East were probably one of the first lessons taught science, how to abduct and take hostage soldiers in the border area.


Indirectly, such information can be confirmed by statements by the representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov, mentioned above. According to him, the BMD-2, demonstrated by the SBU, is also in service with Ukraine, and therefore the words that the car belongs to the Armed Forces of Russia are unsubstantiated. That is, there is no evidence to the words of the SBU that the Russian paratroopers arrived in the Donbass on board the military equipment.

Of course, the very posing of the question in the style of "could not the Ukrainian special services kidnap Russian paratroopers?" may seem funny. But is it Ukrainian? Especially if we take into account that even the work of the head of the Security Service of Ukraine Nalyvaichenko is controlled and adjusted by Western special services. And why did not take into account the fact that the fathers-commanders in the army who were ready to sell for a pack of candy wrappers, unfortunately, existed at all times. Or did the fighters themselves prepare all their documents in order to later demonstrate to the SBU? ..

If you rely on this version, then it is quite possible to explain the confusion in the Ministry of Defense after the first reports of the Ukrainian side that Russian servicemen were detained on the territory of Ukraine, as well as allegations that the paratroopers had lost their way. The seizure of Russian military personnel is not such an extraordinary thing. During the Caucasian campaigns, the abduction of Russian soldiers was, unfortunately, commonplace. In some cases, soldiers were abducted for ransom or exchange, in some cases for the purpose of intimidation or tactical bargaining. In the Ukrainian case, all these options may work.

Critics of the mentioned version say: wait, but the fighters were with weapons, and how can you just take and kidnap an armed man? Well, how can anyone prove now that this weapon belonged to the “detained” servicemen? After the Ukrainian fake that Russian journalists from LifeNews allegedly participated in the supply of "separatists" MANPADS, it is generally strange that the SBU paratroopers did not "find" tactical missiles in boxes and SDYAV in ampoules ...

Of course, on the detainees (stolen) of the Russian paratroopers, Ukraine will try to make a large-scale PR campaign about the "clawed paw of the Kremlin" and about the "war between Russia and the Ukrainian people." Well, and perhaps Russia did not have time to develop immunity to these accusations. As if for the first time to hear about the Ukrainian insinuations. If the Ukrainian side continues to insist that the Russian special services stole the pilot Savchenko, what has prevented the Ukrainian special services with a star-striped color to organize the abduction of Russian soldiers from the adjacent territory (or still while patrolling those borders) with good help from Russian officials ? It seems to be conspiracy, but after all the fairy tale is a lie, and in it, as is known, a hint ...

“Detention” of one fighter would look somehow absurd, given the scale of the “war of Russia with Ukraine” that Kiev is talking about, but a dozen privates, corporals and sergeants who are sent to God and for what tasks is the very thing ... Yes and before the Minsk meeting, to make a gift to the leader of the junta Poroshenko ... Now, with this "gift", Kiev rushes, not knowing how else to blow this soap bubble, but at the same time fears that it will burst.
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat 29 August 2014 09: 34
    +43
    Something unclean in this story is not very true.
    1. shershen
      shershen 29 August 2014 09: 36
      +17
      Oh, nonsense, ours couldn’t go so childishly.
      1. kenig1
        kenig1 29 August 2014 09: 51
        +27
        What do you read as a mantra: ours could not, ours could not. Ever since the days of the USSR, a joke-joke went on in the Soviet army: The military got a map, now they will ask the local population for directions. We are all human and are mistaken.
        1. gray
          gray 29 August 2014 10: 42
          +6
          Yes, we are all human beings and therefore it is necessary that it would not really happen to affirm and talk about the abduction of our soldiers. About weapons, why they didn’t shoot back, I recall the affairs of the mid-90s when our soldiers were forbidden even to shoot in response.
          1. avg
            avg 29 August 2014 23: 08
            +7
            Quote: gray
            .About weapons, why didn’t shoot back, I remind you of the mid-90s when our soldiers were forbidden even to shoot in response

            I agree to one hundred percent.
            I don’t know whether our guys got lost or stolen them, but I know for sure that the games of peace should be left to politicians. A patrol on the border with a belligerent enemy country should be ready to repel any attack, and most importantly, to have all the rights for this.
        2. lelikas
          lelikas 29 August 2014 11: 50
          +13
          Quote: kenig1
          What do you read as a mantra: ours could not, ours could not. Ever since the days of the USSR, a joke-joke went on in the Soviet army: The military got a map, now they will ask the local population for directions. We are all human and are mistaken.

          It's just that it's really not clear here how and "why", they got there, and the Ministry of Defense could not say anything intelligible - and actually did not say.
          The fact that they read the text during interrogations and a hedgehog is understandable.
          1. Serg 122
            Serg 122 29 August 2014 13: 26
            +2
            MO could not say anything intelligible - and actually did not say.

            As with this, too:
            The funeral of the Pskov paratroopers killed in Ukraine
            November 28.08.2014, XNUMX
            In the village of Vybuty near Pskov, the funeral of paratroopers, who died probably in the past ten days, was held. At the same time, it is not known under what circumstances they died. One of the versions - they could have been killed during the hostilities in Ukraine.
            The website of the Presidential Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights has published a list of the dead. It lists surnames, years of birth, military ranks and positions. However, since the law “On Personal Data” prohibits the publication of full information about the victims, only their posts and titles are published on the site. It is noted that the majority on the list are natives of Dagestan. Among the dead - six privates, lieutenant, junior sergeant and senior sergeant.
            1. Sanitary instructor, private.
            2. Scout, private.
            3. Scout, private.
            4. The commander of the group, lieutenant.
            5. Art. scout, art. sergeant.
            6. Scout grenade launcher, private.
            7. Scout sniper, private.
            8. Mine reconnaissance, private.
            9. The commander of the department, ml. sergeant.
            Ella Polyakova, a member of the Presidential Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights, told the Moscow Says radio station that, firstly, this is a “reliable list”. “The second. We do not understand why people died, and no one is responsible. The third. Killed many people from other units. Parents turn to us and look for their sons, ”she added.
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 29 August 2014 15: 21
              +3
              hi
              I completely and absolutely agree with the author of the previous article that the fighters simply got lost!
              Those who served in the army as an officer or ensign can give a lot of similar examples, and this is not in the territory where the fighting is being conducted, but in completely greenhouse peaceful conditions.
              And, of course, I really do not envy the commanders of these warriors, and with a shudder imagine how the superior pulls them one place on the Bandera trident.
              And rightly so, by the way, they do, because volens - nolens, but it was they who created this divine gift to the supporters of the junta.
              How can juntas beat him, besides throwing tantrums about the invasion of regular troops of the Russian army?
              Yes, at least offer to exchange prisoners for artillery spotter Nadezhda Savchenko, who currently enjoys the hospitality of the Voronezh pre-trial detention center and expects an all-inclusive trip to the Russian capital for a psychiatric examination.
              And you need to clearly understand the goals and objectives of the current moment of the confrontation - Russia, like air, must be forced to accept the militia of the Donbass Kiev, Ge_yropam and Pi_ndostan as a party to the negotiations, which such a proposal doesn’t like ....
              1. izGOI
                izGOI 30 August 2014 12: 55
                +1
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                I completely and absolutely agree with the author of the previous article that the fighters simply got lost!

                At the end of the 70's. There was an incident with a Soviet submarine off the coast of Sweden. Also, the navigator got lost, the commander made a strong-willed decision. As a result, the boat was in an area where you couldn’t go specifically. In fact, if you really got lost, you can find yourself in Rostov, in Donetsk, in Paris.
            2. Proud.
              Proud. 29 August 2014 15: 36
              +6
              Quote: Serg 122
              he could not say - and actually did not say.

              I do not know where you got the text from, but it looks ugly. Let me explain. In the "heading" of the text, it sounds peremptory, asserting-The funeral of the Pskov paratroopers killed in Ukraine.Next, already presumably-they could have been killed during the fighting in Ukraine.And yet. I went to the site "Council under the President of the Russian Federation for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights". Where to look for this list? I want to make sure.
              1. KDS
                KDS 29 August 2014 15: 53
                +7
                And nowhere to look for him! He's not there!
            3. Proud.
              Proud. 29 August 2014 15: 47
              +3
              Quote: Serg 122
              As with this, too:

              Yeah ... Found it. Here's what this information looks like: "... Members of the Presidential Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights Sergei Krivenko and Ella Polyakova yesterday asked the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation check (emphasis added) information on the death of nine contract soldiers of the 18th motorized rifle brigade (military unit 27777).

              Information about the death of military personnel near the military training ground in the Rostov region arrived at human rights defenders on August 9 and 11, and yesterday they (August 26), guided by the articles of the Code of Criminal Procedure governing the procedure for reporting a crime, they sent an Internet appeal to the Military Investigation Department of the IC of Russia with a request check the specified information. The list of victims, submitted by human rights defenders to the UK, contains the following information: full name, year of birth, military ranks and positions of all nine military personnel.

              The Federal Law "On Personal Data" does not allow the publication of complete information about the victims, therefore we publish only their positions and titles:
              1. sanitary instructor, private.
              2. scout, private.
              3. scout, private.
              4. group commander, lieutenant.
              5. Art. scout, art. sergeant.
              6. reconnaissance grenade launcher, private.
              7. reconnaissance sniper, private.
              8. Mine reconnaissance soldier.
              9. squad leader, ml. sergeant.

              Most of the list are natives of the Republic of Dagestan.

              If the information was confirmed and if there were grounds, Sergei Krivenko and Ella Polyakova asked to open a criminal case on the facts of the deaths of servicemen ... "In short, don't understand from whom.
              1. izGOI
                izGOI 30 August 2014 12: 57
                0
                Bravo! That's what serious work means!
            4. alekSASHKA-36
              alekSASHKA-36 29 August 2014 21: 02
              +1
              In the village B.Kazinka, Voronezh region. This week the Pskov paratrooper, captain, was buried. A guy from my work who lives in the same village told me that the father of the deceased said that they brought him from the LPR as if they were clearing the road in front of the humanitarian convoy.
              1. hly
                hly 29 August 2014 23: 01
                +5
                The kingdom of heaven is to the warrior who died for his friends.
              2. rosewik
                rosewik 30 August 2014 01: 58
                +3
                How does father know? That’s the most important thing, because even if the Moscow Region had sent him there, his father would never have known what, where, how, and why, but he could have guessed ... What a pity, of course, but justified.
                1. Hon
                  Hon 31 August 2014 02: 46
                  0
                  from my town, about ten cops left for Ukraine. and everyone knows where, why, and how much they pay. to one, even the wife went to the wedding anniversary.
                  1. acute
                    acute 31 August 2014 10: 05
                    0
                    You know a lot. Be quiet more. In general, people go about their initiative. Nobody sends them by force as it was in the union, especially conscripts
                    1. Hon
                      Hon 31 August 2014 14: 12
                      +1
                      but no one cares. dill have been screaming about it for several months, and don't give a damn. the soldiers in social networks post pictures and write statuses like "they hammered through Ukraine all night" and still no one cares, because this is not evidence. about conscripts, if they exist, they only enter the territory of Ukraine, but do not fight. By the way, the paratroopers were released, they got lost))
                      Western media write that Putin allegedly sent soldiers to the war, as he recently threw polite people into the Crimea. although this is not the case, he sent volunteers from various law enforcement agencies, about which, if they get caught, you can say they went on vacation. relatives know where they are. although the Western media already write about the unfortunate "soldiers' mothers." Of the regular troops, only spetsnaz is hooligan.
                      what I mean. no matter what anyone knows, we will still deny everything. and the West to come up with a convenient "truth".
                      1. acute
                        acute 31 August 2014 14: 43
                        0
                        Listen, who are you working for? Do you write some kind of crap and then you justify yourself? What kind of man are you? Like a talkative woman in the market. You hear a ringing and carry it around the world. Know and know, be quiet. And then Euro-Ukrainians are reading people like you, and then your conclusions are laid out in social. network. Are you an enemy of your country? There used to be a Chatterbox poster - a find for a spy. There is something right in this. And the fact that you write is akin to a man who has whored up from his wife, and then makes excuses. Not manly
                      2. Hon
                        Hon 31 August 2014 14: 55
                        0
                        I am a Mongolian intelligence agent. I don’t keep my mouth shut because I’m already tired of fantasizing. the guys were taken prisoner, they immediately began to write that it could not be, not ours, right location, etc. who believed that ours began to write "began", tomorrow we will attack. and there it all started long ago.
                        but you can write anything you want, even the truth, still do not prove ...
              3. Dan1103
                Dan1103 30 August 2014 07: 51
                0
                what area?
                1. Hon
                  Hon 31 August 2014 14: 13
                  0
                  Saratov region I won’t talk anymore)
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                1. Hon
                  Hon 31 August 2014 14: 16
                  0
                  What do you mean they said repeated? I know these guys personally, and very well. we have 14 thousand people in the entire region.
          2. volodyk50
            volodyk50 29 August 2014 13: 27
            +2
            Oh, nonsense, ours couldn’t go so childishly.

            My opinion was that Vladimir Vladimirovich threw a Khokhlam bone, so that while they relish it under their very nose they could crank up some sort of business, or simply beat the airwaves with captured military personnel so that the militia could calmly go on the offensive. Without too much publicity.
          3. nerd.su
            nerd.su 29 August 2014 17: 17
            +4
            Quote: lelikas
            The fact that they read the text during interrogations and a hedgehog is understandable.

            If this is a Ukrainian setup, then read it. Putin himself admitted that these are our paratroopers and, by the way, Putin claims that Poroshenko promised to transfer the captured paratroopers to Russia. If it’s our cuddles, they’ll pass it on, they will probably be fired from the service, and everything happily ended. But if it’s Ukrainian disguised counterintelligence? And Putin has already said that these are our paratroopers - if you please transfer to Russia laughing
            It is possible that ours either got lost or was stolen, that is, there is a fact and it had to be recognized. But mumbled garnets read on the recognition camera. But all will have to be transferred to Russia. And here comes the moment of truth ...
        3. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 29 August 2014 12: 28
          +1
          Quote from shershen (1):
          ... ours couldn’t go so childishly ...

          I already wrote in a comment on the next article about "lost paratroopers", so excuse the repetition, but ours can "screw up" and not only soldiers, but also officers.
          The story of 40 years ago, which happened in Mongolia.
          We, in ZabVO, were informed of the situation of an accidental crossing of the Mongolia-China border by a UAZ car with 4 of our Soviet officers, almost with a lieutenant colonel at the head, who left at night in the steppe "to the lights" of a Chinese border outpost. We got lost, and in the dark we drove straight to the Chinese.
          According to the laws of China, at that time and given the tense relations of the USSR with China, these soldiers were tried for illegally crossing the border and were given 10 years in prison.
          Among the career officers, there was one lieutenant with a biennial, that I, then also a lieutenant of a biennial, was greatly struck by the fact that a "jacket" came for 2 years of service, and fate had prepared for him an extension of this term, as much as 10 years.
          Can anyone remember this story? How did it end?
          1. ODERVIT
            ODERVIT 29 August 2014 15: 35
            +4
            This is the land border. And how many accidental airspace violations. During my service in Veshchevo, near Vyborg, our valiant pilots managed to fly the Chukhonts abroad up to forty kilometers. At the same time, they made mistakes themselves, and the flight management group "clapped" their ears. So, I admit the possibility of error. All that happens, without mistakes, service only with the "ideal soldier".
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 29 August 2014 17: 39
            +3
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Can anyone remember this story? How did it end?

            I don’t know about this story, but a man works for us, he is over 60 and he served at the time of Damansky’s border. He told me that once they entered Chinese territory, got lost and even signaled with shots to nearby cars. When they returned, the command quickly began to notice traces in the literal sense. When the Chinese descended in the morning, everything was neatly spotted and sprinkled with snow
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 August 2014 09: 52
        +9
        Quote: shershen
        Oh, nonsense, ours couldn’t go so childishly.

        And what did Putin and Churkin say about this? All the same nonsense yes fool
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 29 August 2014 10: 25
          +6
          Putin just put forward a version of the lost crew, and promised to figure it out. And Churkin repeated his words. So the "misunderstandings" remain. It looks like a cover game.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 29 August 2014 10: 55
            +2
            Quote: siberalt
            Putin just put forward a version of the lost crew, and promised to figure it out. And Churkin repeated his words. So the "misunderstandings" remain.

            And Lavrov, too, but no one denied that it wasn’t ours. Do you need confirmation from the Lord God?
      3. Bombardier
        Bombardier 29 August 2014 09: 52
        -12
        The children wanted an alcoholic, and so they decided to drive them away quickly, to the nearest settlement, because there was no officer with them.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 August 2014 09: 59
          +5
          Quote: Bombardier
          The guys wanted an alcoholic, so they decided to drive away quickly,

          Do you know for sure, or did you break through like that?
          1. Bombardier
            Bombardier 29 August 2014 10: 14
            +19
            Only they themselves know for sure, but from experience ... it happened, but you don’t? Where could they go without an officer?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 29 August 2014 10: 38
              +1
              Quote: Bombardier
              Only they know for sure, but from experience

              What, somewhere he participated or in peacetime?
              Quote: Bombardier
              . it happened, but you don’t?

              I did not participate and was far from the database, unlike them.
              Quote: Bombardier
              Where could they go without an officer?

              Well, you know better from the sofa where and why. As we like to draw conclusions. First they yell in support of the army, but almost like that, they’ll shame men from head to toe. Like the last nits behave.
              1. Bombardier
                Bombardier 29 August 2014 10: 51
                +19
                It’s not worth cursing, jerking and nervous. No one is obsessing the army. There is a fact and discussion can be seen on it, let's better think then, as the author suggests, that their fathers were sold by commanders - a quote from the article:
                "And why not take into account the fact that the fathers-commanders in the army, ready to sell for a pack of candy wrappers, unfortunately, existed at all times."
                Does that mean that no nits think about our army?
                I understand your patriotic impulse.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 29 August 2014 10: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Bombardier
                  t. There is a fact and discussion can be seen on it

                  I do not draw conclusions, unlike those who are now stigmatizing them here and looking for any detail that would call into question that they are ours.
                  I would write-turn them in any way, I would understand it. But yelling that they went for the water can only ..... The discussion is over.
                  1. Bombardier
                    Bombardier 29 August 2014 11: 13
                    +6
                    Well, the fact that they need to be returned is not discussed. But hide your head in the sand ...?
                  2. tomket
                    tomket 29 August 2014 15: 59
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    But they can only yell that they went behind the water

                    then where they went and why, with someone or without whom it doesn’t matter, it’s important how they behave in front of the camera. But therefore, we can only say the occasion, now we have such paratroopers.
                    1. ABV
                      ABV 29 August 2014 22: 07
                      +3
                      are they suicide bombers? it’s easy to bazaar from the sofa ... and if there was an order from the command in the event of captivity - not to heroize, but to say that they will order them to be pulled out later? and if the tenth, which previously appeared, and then disappeared, this is just an officer, and if he was removed from living skin? there is so much if it can be ... that's how you can blame any shit without facts ?? it is not in Russian ..
                    2. Lenivets
                      Lenivets 30 August 2014 01: 01
                      +1
                      watch less movies
            2. 12423 student
              12423 student 29 August 2014 12: 20
              +2
              Contractor cannot advance without an officer? Are you seriously?
          2. Predator
            Predator 29 August 2014 10: 53
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Bombardier
            The guys wanted an alcoholic, so they decided to drive away quickly,

            Do you know for sure, or did you break through like that?

            Those who served urgently know that they do not go AWOL by a subunit, especially in vehicles and with weapons. Youngsters are loaded up, no more, with the task of "grabbing from the enemy" 2-3 liters of ammunition. Complete delirium.
            1. Bombardier
              Bombardier 29 August 2014 11: 02
              +12
              It remains a mystery why they were taken with weapons and equipment like young ladies in a barn, and the soldiers should have imagined that there was a war going on. If I’m not mistaken there are all contract soldiers, young animals can not be found. What did the officer of this unit do all this time?
              1. ODERVIT
                ODERVIT 29 August 2014 15: 44
                +4
                This is a branch. A platoon has three separators. The platoon commander is an officer. But it could turn out that his duties were performed by a deputy. platoon com, sergeant. contractor. Understanding is really difficult.
              2. koshh
                koshh 30 August 2014 07: 59
                0
                Quote: Bombardier
                It remains a mystery why they were taken with weapons and equipment as young ladies in a barn,


                Have you noticed the technique? Under Rostov there is no such technique. There is now such a technique that only in the picture, as a civilian, saw.
            2. vladim.gorbunow
              vladim.gorbunow 29 August 2014 12: 06
              +4
              Do not mind. The version is widely discussed. We went not so much for alcohol as for the girls. Perhaps there was a guide, he then ambushed the SBU. There was information preparation for Poroshenko’s trip to Minsk. And then suddenly the counterattack of the Army of New Russia began. And this whole story has not sounded. Conclusions must be made right for the future.
              1. Bombardier
                Bombardier 29 August 2014 12: 17
                +1
                Well, let the girls, it will not cut the ear and the image of the fighters will not suffer.
              2. Black
                Black 29 August 2014 12: 19
                +6
                Quote: vladim.gorbunow
                We went not so much for alcohol as for the girls.

                Well .... and the women realized .....
                And what about women, too, running around with documents and medical certificates ??
                There is nothing to drive garbage. Caught idiotic and VERY out of time. That's all. Let’s return the boys, the puncture will become an experience, for there are no goofy golems there.
            3. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel 29 August 2014 12: 44
              +10
              Why then? When we at the Telemba (Buryaria) firing range fired at air targets from the Krug air defense missile system, our lads on a BAT to the nearest settlement (Telemba, in my opinion) went AWOL. It's about 25 km away. On the right and left of the road, there are mainly swamps. When the nix happened, they rushed ahead of the brigade's location. And so that the officer's search group in the UAZ did not catch up with them, they quickly built an embankment across the dirt road. While the pursuers made a passage in this embankment and rushed to the location, the self-propelled guns were already sleeping (or pretending to be sleeping). Well, during the interrogation, everyone went unconscious and refused. It was a fun time! (1980-1982) good
              1. MORDVIN13rus
                MORDVIN13rus 29 August 2014 14: 25
                +3
                The famous polygon. hi Itself somersaulted there 2 times, in 2008, being an conscript, and in 2009 it was already a double bass))) And about the dumper, you are right, I saw it at the dope itself, at 8 I saw it, I ran at 9, but no one took any documents, because you’ll burn count khan. So about the Airborne Forces, also misunderstandings, either the guys were stolen in our territory, or they were caught somewhere else, and presented to the noise of the Minsk meeting, here they say, love !!!
              2. vova1973
                vova1973 29 August 2014 15: 34
                +2
                at the training ground, the soldiers and without officers remained and sat there until they came to terms with military equipment. I remember with a bulldozer the conscript commander sau asked us that we would pull out his installation in tow with our URAL. The whole battery left, and he stayed ofigel just he, for several days his crew was sitting there. And the soldiers were forgotten at the training ground. And during the night shooting at the NP, they beat with BMP. And the fact that the soldiers on technology drove into the nearest village was not surprised by this. And at night to get lost nefig do.
            4. ODERVIT
              ODERVIT 29 August 2014 15: 40
              0
              I will supplement it. Ten people. It means separation and say deputy. com platoon. They could complete the task without officers. And the presence of the latter is not a guarantee of a possible random error.
              1. 26rus
                26rus 29 August 2014 17: 38
                +2
                Some kind of strange office. In terms of numbers - yes, but in terms of composition: sergeant of an engineering and combat engineer company, artillery calculation number, reconnaissance officer, parachute assault rifleman, sergeant - castle platoon commander, mechanic - driver. And at the same time - half corporal. Obviously not a full-time department. Although, HZ, maybe a summary?
              2. Bruss
                Bruss 29 August 2014 23: 45
                +1
                The airborne squad has 7 people.
              3. Lenivets
                Lenivets 30 August 2014 01: 06
                +1
                I will supplement it. Branch in the Airborne Forces 7 people.
        2. dummy
          dummy 29 August 2014 10: 23
          +4
          Well, yes, but in case there wasn’t enough money for alcohol, they seized all the documents.
          1. Bombardier
            Bombardier 29 August 2014 10: 29
            +3
            Then they stole it for sure.
            1. tomket
              tomket 29 August 2014 16: 02
              +2
              the availability of documents can be explained by two points. 1) since they are double basses, then the documents are in their hands. Although in the combat zone should have been withdrawn in any case, but there is already a sin for the father commander. 2) The documents were seized, but somehow they again appeared at the paratroopers, so that they could be identified without problems at the time of capture and as evidence, respectively.
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        3. Genry
          Genry 29 August 2014 11: 01
          +10
          Quote: Bombardier
          The children wanted an alcoholic, and so they decided to drive them away quickly, to the nearest settlement, because there was no officer with them.

          Such "operations" usually involve two + the driver. The rest pretend that everything is in order in the "place".
          Although, if many cars were driving somewhere, then this car from a convoy is like driving a couple of people to civilization and to a store.
          There is such a word - self-willed. Not uprootable like Russian daredevil and crucifix ...
        4. EvgenSuslov
          EvgenSuslov 29 August 2014 13: 38
          +1
          Well, then they have passports from where ???
        5. K-50
          K-50 29 August 2014 21: 38
          +2
          Quote: Bombardier
          The children wanted an alcoholic, and so they decided to drive them away quickly, to the nearest settlement, because there was no officer with them.

          With a weapon for a pivasik? belay
          What nonsense, or have we begun to call oligophrenic in our Airborne Forces? It would seem to any sensible one who was too brazen, but did they go, and they even grabbed the journal of the evening inspection of another’s division? belay Rave!!!!
      4. fif21
        fif21 29 August 2014 10: 01
        +6
        Quote: shershen
        Oh, nonsense, ours couldn’t go so childishly.
        Yes, I had a better opinion of the Airborne Forces, what are these swineherd paratroopers! Substitute your country like that, no words one mate ....
        1. yushch
          yushch 29 August 2014 11: 47
          +12
          No need to drive on the airborne. Everyone has punctures, there are bare fields and only local ones can show you where the border goes. Moreover, the guys arrived from Kostroma and from the train immediately to the march. One car on the march lagged and the commander sent another car in search of it. What was not there the officer says that the bulk of the soldiers are contract soldiers and one of them was the unit commander.
          And the fact that they got trite in an unfamiliar area is not news at all for any "infantry" officer.
          1. Bombardier
            Bombardier 29 August 2014 12: 42
            +4
            I will put you a plus. Your version impresses me (I want to believe that it was so).
          2. tomket
            tomket 29 August 2014 16: 05
            -3
            Quote: yushch
            No need to drive on the airborne. Everyone has punctures, there are bare fields and only local people can show you where the border goes

            The point is not that the paratroopers lost their orientation on the terrain, they are like a table around the steppe, and go figure it out where to go, at least you are not Kostroma. The fact is that after a couple of Fingals, for them Putin is no longer the Commander-in-Chief, and for which they do not receive a feeble salary in the army, they also do not know. Such is the elite of our troops. from heaven to earth, as they say ....
            1. yushch
              yushch 29 August 2014 17: 55
              0
              All the same, I do not agree with you, it's all about the mood. When you go to a real war you have the mood to fight enemies.
              When reinforcing the border is completely different. They didn’t shoot back, and this means that they did not consider the Ukrainians enemies. It’s bad that they didn’t have an officer commander who would remind them of how the paratroopers behave.
            2. Lenivets
              Lenivets 30 August 2014 01: 14
              +1
              Have you been captured? If not, take off your pink glasses and try to think with your head.
          3. Bruss
            Bruss 29 August 2014 23: 48
            -1
            Or in the dark they tried to focus on the sound - the column is noisy and went the wrong way! But this will only work in complete darkness!
        2. Sailor
          Sailor 29 August 2014 14: 09
          +1
          I hope there are no more such servicemen in our "valiant" Airborne Forces, so set up the country at the most inopportune moment.
          1. Lenivets
            Lenivets 30 August 2014 01: 16
            0
            What's the question! Show how to behave in real life.
        3. ABV
          ABV 29 August 2014 22: 12
          0
          but what is it again .... from the sofa - the information is zero, but all at once! probably another tumbled down and urry for airborne forces ..
        4. Lenivets
          Lenivets 30 August 2014 01: 11
          0
          Everyone is wrong. To put it mildly, your opinion is not very important .....
          Go serve as a critic ....
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 29 August 2014 09: 47
      +13
      Quote: Good cat
      Something unclean in this story is not very true.

      I would rather believe that they "accidentally crossed the border" than that they were kidnapped by some special services (the hand of the West) from the territory of Russia. If they were really kidnapped, then why the heck we generally need such an airborne force, let them be 10-15 thousand people, but they will be really professionals, and not these students. Yesterday I laid out an anecdote, I duplicate: Stirlitz has never been so close to failure ...
      Near Donetsk, security officials detained 4 priests who were traveling in the same car. At the request to read "Our Father" it sounded ... "bl..d pi..ets".
      This is about the situation with the paratroopers.
      1. BEKHA
        BEKHA 29 August 2014 10: 20
        0
        Maybe just a betrayal? or they were betrayed by officers or they sold themselves. It was the same thing even KGB men sold out during Soviet times. And remember the story with MIG om there is also a betrayal. Remember Litvinenko? Even Gorbachev was recruited. It’s very easy to recruit 10 paratroopers or one of the officers.
        1. Lenivets
          Lenivets 30 August 2014 01: 18
          0
          Or maybe they brought damage to them, or maybe the intergalactic union framed .....
          It is necessary to have a bite.
    3. Civil
      Civil 29 August 2014 10: 50
      +2
      That is, ours will not recognize them as paratroopers? Throw if it's your own?
      They will not pay for the military and everything else associated with the presence of a Russian serviceman in hostilities? YOU CAN NOT DO IT THIS WAY.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 29 August 2014 14: 47
        +8
        I also have very big doubts that these are paratroopers. The abduction is also hard to believe.
        The first version. These are paratroopers and they were abducted on the territory of Russia. How was it possible to kidnap 9-10 people with good training? Even in order to take them unarmed in a dismissal, you need several armed men and a competent ambush. I’m not talking about the armed at all, and all the more so, on the BMD-school, there was such a battle that they would have heard in Moscow. And in any case, someone would have left and brought help, since so many were alive. That is, they should have known about the group’s route of movement. Where from? Why do people have PASSPORTS with them? It seems that before, the main document of a soldier was a military ID. Maybe something has changed?
        Version-2, about the fact that the paratroopers were on Ukrainian territory, I will not even discuss. Because the war has been going on for several days, and our units have been patrolling for several days. So RANDOMLY could not get lost in any way. Moreover, on BMD, it means they drove along the road, which during this time was studied quite well in any way. Plus, again, passports and a magazine, it is not clear where it came from. So the version is cut off right away.

        What happened? I'm afraid we will never know. But, judging by the calm reaction of our leadership, and by the fact that the personalities of the "paratroopers" do not cause any doubts, we can talk about some kind of operation on our part. Maybe the operation is directed against "nulliparous mothers" who quickly surfaced grants. Maybe to cover the border crossing by "volunteers" who can be seen by OSCE monitors at the border occupied by the militia. And by the way, if anyone noticed, it grows together very well in time. The offensive of the militia completely scored with a "white noise" the cries of the "pro-salipolymers" about the sufferings of the "paratroopers" in captivity.
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 30 August 2014 02: 20
          0
          pawn sacrifice for initiative
      2. Lenivets
        Lenivets 30 August 2014 01: 20
        0
        And on the basis of what have you drawn such far-reaching conclusions?
    4. 225chay
      225chay 29 August 2014 10: 55
      +1
      Quote: Good cat
      Something unclean in this story is not very true.


      A solid shadow on the wattle fence ...
    5. 222222
      222222 29 August 2014 11: 01
      +7
      It's unclean here .. "" "
      ... "" Unclean, unclean, brothers! Unclean! Unclean! .. Unclean mulberry! .. Unclean! Save yourself who can! ""
      It is not clear why the Russian Embassy in Ukraine does not require a meeting with detainees. And if there was a meeting, then why there are no messages ???
      1. Styx
        Styx 29 August 2014 14: 46
        +1
        An excellent thought about embassy meetings, or rather non-meeting, for some reason it’s silent about this! request questions, questions, questions ... Not a single answer
    6. Rus2012
      Rus2012 29 August 2014 12: 02
      +7
      Quote: Good cat
      Something unclean in this story is not very true.


      About inconsistencies of dill tales in detail here -
      Putting together the paratroopers puzzle
      Everything would be fine, but from this place the inconsistencies are just a jamb. There is a war on the other side of the ribbon. I can assume that ordinary paratroopers are so intellectually limited that they are not interested in anything other than smashing various building materials with their heads. (Yes, the paratroopers will forgive me for such a blasphemous assumption, but, men, believe me, this is how it should be, you yourself will understand why.) I’m even ready to admit that the command is infinite meanness and deceit, so that I know where the column will go, but the soldiers themselves cannot the words. Well, there, Putin personally intimidated or bribed everyone. You never know what. But commanders cannot be idiots. Send a convoy with escort to the combat zone (and what is fighting there, every child in Russia today, especially an officer, especially the commander of a unit that is two steps away from the "ribbon" and is going to cross it) and not give it ammunition ? Not to instruct the personnel? Well, how are they going to shoot the wrong guy? How can an international scandal be extinguished then? And if they are not given cartridges, then what is the point in escorting that strange column? Just go for a ride in the countryside of the adjacent side? That's really unlikely. Therefore, either there was an escort, and then they were given live ammunition, or they were not given, but then there could be no convoy escort to the other side either. For without ammunition, that they were there, that they were not there, they would not have been able to cover the column from any "evil people". No way. Even if the "evil people" were only armed with baseball bats.

      And if they gave out cartridges, then how the fighters themselves could not match the geography (at school they studied and were not similar to downs, therefore, they could not know that Krasnodar is not far from Ukraine), repainting cars, identification dressings, extradition live ammunition and wonder - where do we go then, huh? Teachings? For ordinary exercises, live ammunition is not issued. Not to mention the fact that the issuance of live ammunition is always accompanied by a briefing, directly explaining what for they were given where we are going, what is waiting for and who can be shot there, and who not. It is like phlegm of water. If water, then it is always wet, if not wet, then it is not water. You can certainly assume that this is some kind of alcohol, but then the smell will let you down. There are some commanders who lead their subordinates into the combat zone, where they can be shot at and even killed in two accounts, while they carefully hide everything and do not even give out cartridges. Somehow, it is already becoming suspicious.

      Fully - http://news.newru.org/news/skladyvaja_pazl_pro_desantnikov/2014-08-29-584
      1. ABV
        ABV 29 August 2014 22: 38
        0
        Interesting ... and in the photo - 2 this is METALLICA drummer Lars Ulrich, I recognized him ... by his foot ..
    7. 12423 student
      12423 student 29 August 2014 12: 32
      +6
      Quote: Good cat
      Something unclean in this story is not very true.

      Here it is necessary to search for the truth with a microscope.
      Is it normal for the Airborne Forces to have fighters from different companies in one BMD? Or there was no BMD, there was no movement in one column? During my service, fighters of different companies usually met on a business trip, when several soldiers were sent from each company. For example, to harvest cabbage. Well, or in the hospital.
    8. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 29 August 2014 13: 33
      0
      I also consider it nonsense, we have geography knowledge from school, topography is taught in the military commissar, HOW? how could they get lost? everyone knows about the events in Ukraine, if you have doubts about the route you can not ask the authorities? something is not clean.
      1. kyznets
        kyznets 29 August 2014 14: 28
        +1
        If Putin could not say anything about our captured paratroopers, then guess on snot. There were, were not, drank - did not drink. If Putin let the fog slip and slid off the answer, it means that you just need to wait for the facts and until the military with the big stars tell you, or it pops up, as usual, all this pops up. And our ministry of defense looked nothing. Also Putin planted a toad. No comments! Which was announced by the president. So, there’s nothing to pour water into the mill of ghouls so far. No comments, nothing to discuss. Heartburn only crushes from such news. Could something and explain, and not smoke, not dill.
      2. Lenivets
        Lenivets 30 August 2014 01: 24
        0
        Did you study geography at the school all the border villages and the roads between them on the border of Russia and the outskirts?
    9. michelle
      michelle 3 September 2014 18: 47
      0
      It is embarrassing that the costumes are borderline, all the fighters from different divisions (drove in the same car!) And without injuries (these are paratroopers !!!) It’s clear that the performance!
  2. navara399
    navara399 29 August 2014 09: 34
    +4
    Why pulled this article? Something I did not see anything concrete. Questions as were and remained. Minus.
  3. Lukerya Weaver
    Lukerya Weaver 29 August 2014 09: 36
    +14
    Well, actually I already wrote about this, referring to Traveler, that Ukrainian subversive groups were ordered from Kiev to abduct our troops in the border zone. And indeed the abduction explains a lot.
    1. Kite
      Kite 29 August 2014 10: 06
      +6
      And additional confirmation of this version - fighters from different units in this group (one of the sappers, one of the reconnaissance platoon, several from the 3rd company, .....). How could they end up on the same carriage? Lie ukuroki, insolent and in our territory captured the relaxed fighters.
      Only ukrobanda will have to return our people and then everything will become known about how they were captured and where.
      1. Valerik
        Valerik 29 August 2014 14: 32
        +1
        1. I think that they will not return.
        2. Whoever serves understands, the order is brought by affiliation.
        3. There are a lot of doubts, but if we live in Our country, we must trust our leader. Otherwise, it makes no sense to live here. Sorry if I offended anyone, but I'm for Putin.
        Valerik
    2. AUL
      AUL 29 August 2014 11: 11
      +1
      And what, paratroopers have been kidnapped from us, and their fathers-commanders have not noticed anything yet? Nonsense ... If people disappeared, dozens of reports would have already been written, there would have been a big naughty part, these papers would have been presented to the "world community" - like, look, everyone, people have been stolen from us!
      No, something is wrong here, the matter is muddy!
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      2. mitya24
        mitya24 29 August 2014 11: 38
        +5
        Bl .... !!!! Yes, it's not the hens that the fox steals from the chicken coop. THIS airborne bl .... .... the beauty and pride of our aircraft.
      3. Ryndabul
        Ryndabul 29 August 2014 11: 44
        +2
        But it seems to me that nothing is finished. Landing, for sure, is conducting its investigation, and as if someone did not cry with bloody tears as a result of it ...
  4. delorian
    delorian 29 August 2014 09: 39
    +4
    on NTV they said that the weapon was not loaded and that they really didn’t take documents for special operations
  5. iConst
    iConst 29 August 2014 09: 40
    +4
    I still did not understand what the author wanted to say. Chaotic presentation of the material. Some kind of porridge.

    Request to the author to avoid long sentences. For the future.
    1. Volodin
      29 August 2014 12: 38
      +4
      Quote: iConst
      Request to the author to avoid long sentences. For the future.


      Okay. Then it will be easier: "Evening". "We left." "Lost" (briefly, according to the Ministry of Defense)
  6. GRDS
    GRDS 29 August 2014 09: 40
    +2
    Complete mutnyak!
  7. shaman-25rus
    shaman-25rus 29 August 2014 09: 41
    +2
    the bubble will burst. and the splinters will blow the pig.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 August 2014 09: 44
    +1
    Now Kiev rushes with this "gift", not knowing how to further inflate this soap bubble, but at the same time fears that it will burst.

    God grant that this bubble burst. But the first reaction of the RF Ministry of Defense and the government, suggests that this is either sloppiness, or some kind of secret gestures of foreign policy.
    We will wait for clarification of this situation.
  9. Hyperboreec
    Hyperboreec 29 August 2014 09: 44
    0
    All info about the Russian Airborne Forces-this is nonsense.

    If this is true of our airborne forces, then for What and Why and Why it was done, we will find out in 50 years.
  10. Crimea-nyash
    Crimea-nyash 29 August 2014 09: 46
    0
    fact is fact, it’s bad that the airborne assault was put out by stupid soldiers who don’t know how to navigate the terrain .. now the problem is to get them out of there .. yes and how they raised the stench.
  11. nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 29 August 2014 09: 46
    +3
    But about the disappearance of the fighters, if they were abducted, they should have reported! If the MO there was confusion, then there was no abduction, or corruption. Or a complete mess !!!
  12. air wolf
    air wolf 29 August 2014 09: 48
    +1
    Something the dude in the video is too small for the paratrooper, they didn’t take me to Ryazanka with my height 170, I went to flyers wink
    1. Lenivets
      Lenivets 30 August 2014 01: 31
      0
      And then the Ryazan? There are no officers among the prisoners.
  13. Lukerya Weaver
    Lukerya Weaver 29 August 2014 09: 52
    +3
    Why do I think this is an abduction? These guys could be fired, without weapons but with documents. This may explain the discrepancy in their clothes. I don’t know how it is now, but my husband told me that in his time, military personnel were forbidden to wear such chains around the neck as one of the paratroopers. Here we also need to keep in mind the features of our Rostov border with Ukraine. From Rostov through Taganrog to the border with Ukraine, the Uspenska station runs an electric train, stopping at each post. And the Uspenka station, as I am told by the locals from those who have been there, is a village in one street. One side of the street is Ukraine, the other is Russia. There are also settlements divided in the same way. So there are various possibilities for abduction.
  14. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 29 August 2014 09: 52
    +2
    The version of the abduction is more plausible (they will not be given back to Russia and are unlikely to be given out in the near future) ... It is not for nothing that such a howl is in the Western media and ours are confused about “How could this happen ..? (and the faces of the paratroopers seem to be from a big hangover ..))))
    1. Lukerya Weaver
      Lukerya Weaver 29 August 2014 10: 22
      +2
      Have you not noticed that one paratrooper has his whole face broken? I think they were beaten to make them talk on the camera.
    2. Black
      Black 29 August 2014 12: 23
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      The abduction version is more believable


      The version is just as ridiculous. like any other excuse.
      The victories of the militia (which became, as you know, became the Army) are due only to the fighting Spirit ..... winked
  15. 21113890
    21113890 29 August 2014 09: 53
    0
    forced on the card to say what the regiment was on camera
    1. Combitor
      Combitor 29 August 2014 12: 33
      +5
      Quote: 21113890
      forced on the card to say what the regiment was on camera

      Translate.
  16. Combitor
    Combitor 29 August 2014 09: 56
    +10
    Maybe I'm a little naive, but any technique has serial numbers. The BMD must have body and engine numbers. As well as the weapons that were (?) With these paratroopers. Why doesn't our Ministry of Defense ask their Ukrainian "colleagues" to present these numbers? And there is already a matter of technology, or rather, the office. We open statements, magazines and compare.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 29 August 2014 23: 52
      +1
      Quote: Kombitor
      . We open sheets, magazines and verify.

      As a former clerk, I support.
  17. max702
    max702 29 August 2014 10: 01
    +10
    Ndaa a veil of muttering nothing ... Hint that the soldiers were abducted? Well, maybe. But what the hell is there that on the border with the ruin is a mess? For six months your mother has been at war, and the services that should be responsible for the order at the state border do not do anything! am We were surprised that our settlements were being fired, dill armored vehicles darted there, hundreds of units shied away either captive or somewhere else, there was no need to talk about airspace violations! What do people responsible for border protection do? This is not kaklam need to dig a ditch and strengthen the border and us! So that these sv.lochki did not crawl here and our Mirnyak did not crush! What is it that turns out to be captured in OUR territory by the Airborne Forces unit and delivered to dill, and what then can be done with the civilian population? On the face of criminal negligence and sloppiness !!! amThe border of the castle .. Yeah right now ...
    1. Lukerya Weaver
      Lukerya Weaver 29 August 2014 10: 15
      +8
      We have no real border with Ukraine. There are customs checkpoints at certain distances and that’s it. For the most part, the border is not even marked. Ours now drove some parts. who patrol the border. Actually, when there was a howl in the British media, about the column of armored vehicles that entered Ukraine, which they did not find there, the correspondents saw such a patrol. Local residents rummage around here in the fields without any fear.
      1. Evgeniy1
        Evgeniy1 29 August 2014 12: 17
        +1
        Not to Ukraine, but to URAINE - is it strange?
      2. Evrepid
        Evrepid 29 August 2014 23: 22
        0
        there are no borders with other states and never has been.
        Anyone who rides on a Moscow-Rostov train can see for himself, the fields on the left are the fields on the right and the ground is black on one side on the other hand, and in some places ... Chertkovo, for example, on the right there is a hohlyand on the left of the Russian Federation and both they wander through the railway whenever they want ... who works in the Russian Federation and lives in the Ukrainian half of the village, some who shop, and some who relate to relatives ...
        Yes, and it will always be there ... but they will build a border, holes will make and will walk.

        It surprises me more:
        - paratroopers, they did not study the orientation on the ground?
        - did not find where the column went from which they lagged behind? What is it like? brdm tanks began to fly? where did the tracks go?
        - dust from the dirt road where did it go?
        - didn’t anyone have a watch?
        - Okay, identity documents, but why the heck is the verification log of the unit?
        etc.
    2. lukewarm
      lukewarm 29 August 2014 11: 42
      +6
      Moreover! In connection with this situation, they remembered the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier, which had gotten lost in the Rostov region and had not given up until it shot the entire ammunition. In general, a strange war with a strange former fraternal people. Neither war nor peace. One mess.
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 29 August 2014 14: 16
        +3
        And this is about what the "brotherly" people are doing (repost):
        A militiaman from the Motorola detachment said that on August 12 he was wounded in Miusinsk with a shot from an infantry fighting vehicle and was wounded in the legs and arm. Vodyaniy lost consciousness, and, waking up, was captured by the Ukrainian military.

        - One of the paramedics wanted to pull out the tendons from my wound to find out all the information about our squad. After beating, they tied me to a tree during a mortar attack. For an hour, shells flew over me, ”Vodyanoy said.

        According to the militia, an hour later scouts from the regular army of Ukraine came for him, whose paramedic had bandaged Vodyany’s wounds for two days. Subsequently, he was put in a BMP and taken to the steppe. The soldier said that the security forces of "some brigade" pulled him out of the combat vehicle and again began to torture him.

        In particular, he was forced to sing the anthem of Ukraine, which Vodyanoy does not know. The punishers also suggested tying the militia to an infantry fighting vehicle for fun. On August 19, scouts from the regular army came for the fighter and put him in a pit, where two deputies from Makeyevka and their driver also sat.

        - One of the invaders suggested putting on bulletproof vests and starting to shoot to check if they could withstand, but did not. However, they simply didn’t let me go, they beat me on the head with a metal rod, and then they poured salt over the wound, ”Vodyanoy said.

        On the same day, the militia and three prisoners were taken to a checkpoint and released. The fighter also said that the deputies carried him on a blanket, because after the wound he himself was not able to move. A day later, they reached Anthracite of the Luhansk region, where an operation was performed at Vodyanoy hospital.
      2. vova1973
        vova1973 29 August 2014 15: 43
        +1
        The crew of the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier was already in battles. And our figs knows him, maybe they were not yet ready to really shoot.
  18. sledge
    sledge 29 August 2014 10: 03
    +5
    A lot is not clear, a lot of doubtful. One thing is certainly clear - there was a heinous provocation of the ukronazists.
  19. combat64
    combat64 29 August 2014 10: 05
    0
    Somehow everything is muddy and not entirely clear. More like a delirium of a sick person ...
  20. erased
    erased 29 August 2014 10: 13
    0
    Blah blah. Blah blah. Blah blah ...
    One chatter and piss.
    Those who have accurate reliable information are silent, because. The rest tryndyat. On TV, in newspapers, on the net. Oh, also in the kitchen.
    For reliable information you need:
    1. Surely know where the personnel of units and divisions of the airborne forces.
    2. Have accurate data on the wounded and dead over the past 6 months from the Airborne Forces.
    3. Have the results of the autopsy of the dead (if there are dead and autopsies were performed).

    Now who can what:
    1. Relatives of the military, reinforced by lawyers.
    2. Public organizations endowed with such rights.

    What you need:
    1. Desire and determination to find out the truth.
    2. Support is legal, moral, legal.

    And note, all this in an incomprehensible and strange fuss against officials from the Moscow Region and the authorities. Insanity, right? And even greater insanity to send conscripts outside the Russian Federation. There should be only contractors! Moreover, these are real, but fake, by force recruited from conscripts.
    I really do not like this situation. The authorities, as always, are trying to do the job with the hands of the boys, her toad strangling the organization of normal PMCs and paying properly. Or pay normally to the contractors so that they all quietly do.
    All this greatly lubricates the generally positive impression of the activities of the upper classes in recent months. As always, the people turn out to be a bargaining chip, and a source of replenishment of the bursting budget.
    This is Russia, pay, gaspada !!!
    1. Lukerya Weaver
      Lukerya Weaver 29 August 2014 10: 19
      +3
      The law on the organization of PMCs has already been submitted to the Duma. The Duma will consider it as soon as it returns from the holidays. So not everything is so running.
      1. korjik
        korjik 29 August 2014 10: 56
        +5
        And you believe that. that this law will be adopted? Funny. Kvachkova was planted for a crossbow and a half bucket of cartridges.
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 29 August 2014 16: 52
          +1
          Well, yes, somehow everyone with this Ukraine forgot about the important question: what friends and colleagues of the unsinkable Chubais rule in Russia.
    2. korjik
      korjik 29 August 2014 10: 59
      -2
      It is clear that it is difficult to combine the struggle against fascism and the redistribution of property, I hardly understand those who die for the interests of the monetary aces of both parties.
    3. lukewarm
      lukewarm 29 August 2014 11: 48
      -1
      Aren't you echoing? Rain? RBC Prokherovsky? Abstracts look theirs. Such impressions are because the tops are heterogeneous. Some are trying to do something good, another clan working in the US is stopping them, substituting. Who are you with? Although the question is rhetorical. Perhaps the forum is confused. Echo you. In the meantime, minus. Objective and impartial you are ours.
    4. Ryndabul
      Ryndabul 29 August 2014 11: 54
      +3
      And you do not admit what exactly with the aim of forcing think so and say so The population of Russia was committed this provocation? Shouldn't you wait with hasty conclusions? Surely, the commission investigating the incident is working, there will be its conclusions. Based on realities.
    5. hoard
      hoard 29 August 2014 12: 11
      0
      Quote: erased
      I really do not like this situation. The authorities, as always, are trying to do the job with the hands of the boys, her toad strangling the organization of normal PMCs and paying properly.

      Here, I completely agree with you. They crushed money for mercenaries and PMCs, and did not come up with anything better than sending boys. Predictable outcome - screwed up. And, meanwhile, the use of the armed forces of the Russian Federation is clearly regulated by the laws of the Russian Federation. There is a gross violation of these laws. There should be an investigation, trial and punishment of those responsible. And an undeclared war should be waged by other resources.
  21. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 29 August 2014 10: 26
    +8
    Correct article ....
    "as?" and "for what specific purpose?"

    I agree with the author that the abduction could be related not only to the Ukrainian junta, but also to those who manage them and oversee military operations in the Donbass.

    Of course, there were several goals, as with Boeing. The nearest thing is to give Poroshenko a "trump card" in negotiations with Putin, but the "trump card" did not play its key role, which was expected.

    The next and long-lasting, it was to exert psychological pressure on the paratrooper mothers and the Russian public through pro-American media such as RBC and others.
    Mothers as a mother - I not only understand, but also sympathize ...
    BUT .... but .... I want therefore, first of all, to remind, this is the most corrupt media in Russia.
    A military officer and contractor are Russian citizens who have entered military service in order to fulfill any order with weapons in their hands anywhere in the world, which means that paratroopers simply have to be ready to any situation.
    Therefore, the situation in which the paratroopers found themselves was predictable by virtue of professions.
    The paratroopers' mothers and the "mothers committee" had to assume that their sons did not take military weapons to work as "shuttles" or sit in offices - a dangerous profession and should TALK sons before the signing of the contract, and the media are sticking their "nose" into a bad situation, discrediting themselves as "accomplices" and provocateurs of our enemies who operate on Russian territory "undercover" with obvious goals.
    Unfortunately, men have many dangerous professions that risk their lives every day. They die every day, honestly doing their duty. Today, working as a journalist in Ukraine is also dangerous - but they are going there again and again.
    And those journalists who are playing along with this situation to the special services of the United States and Ukraine have no place in Russia - their place is next to Makarevich in the "garbage dump".
    What time did these zhurnalyugi evaluate their betrayal and meanness ... ... playing on the mountain of mothers ...

    1. hoard
      hoard 29 August 2014 12: 34
      0
      Quote: Tanya-umunechka
      through pro-American media like RBC and others

      It is not true. The controlling stake in RBC OJSC (57,05%) through the Cyprus company Pragla Limited is controlled by the Onexim group of Mikhail Prokhorov. Need to talk about Prokhorov? Or are you all who are not for power - for amers ?!
      Quote: Tanya-umunechka
      A military officer and contractor are Russian citizens who have entered military service in order to fulfill any order with weapons in their hands anywhere in the world, which means that paratroopers are simply obliged to be ready for any situation.

      Don't juggle. The use of the armed forces of the Russian Federation is clearly regulated by the laws of the Russian Federation. What "any" orders and "any" situations ?! Are you for legal chaos ?!
      1. Styx
        Styx 29 August 2014 15: 07
        +2
        So there is something with Prokhorov, I love, you know, to listen to fairy tales :) and a miracle will happen and I will believe;)
  22. fess
    fess 29 August 2014 10: 32
    0
    Quote: shershen
    Oh, nonsense, ours couldn’t go so childishly.


    It seems to me that the error really came out. Could call in Ukraine. It is possible they were not captured 20 km. from the border, but much earlier ...
    1. Ryndabul
      Ryndabul 29 August 2014 11: 58
      0
      Too many absurdities for chance ....
  23. Liasenski
    Liasenski 29 August 2014 10: 51
    +5
    I want to add my own fake (I warn you in advance). Paratroopers these Ukrainian actors playing the role of Russian paratroopers. The Russian side recognized them as their own for one purpose, in order to look at the reaction of the Ukrainian side and try to get these actors themselves and so on ...
    You can develop this topic indefinitely, including the fact that real paratroopers are either killed (God forbid), or abducted and closed somewhere, but to find similar actors, and even smear the faces, is a matter of technology.
  24. bmv04636
    bmv04636 29 August 2014 10: 51
    0
    The reason for the second Lebanese company was the shelling of Israeli territory and the capture of two soldiers.
    The shelling of our territory went on continuously, while one civilian was killed, and now the capture and retention of our (mountain of paratroopers) military, is there any reason to start a company against Kiev if they do not release them in the near future.
  25. ELECTRON
    ELECTRON 29 August 2014 10: 52
    +1
    And gentlemen, do not you think that this is only an open pretext in order to conduct a covert operation ????
  26. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 29 August 2014 10: 57
    0
    Personally, I think that there is absolutely no shadow meaning in this story. Otherwise, the GDP would have known and prepared in advance the answers to the howl of Ukrainian and Western officials. Most likely there was a complete absence of any presence of elementary military order in the units. The situation on the border is known. How could fighters from different units stagger there? Yes, even allowing themselves to catch? Did they get a company there? Or one at a time? If this group really performed a task in the border area, then why would the command learn about their disappearance from ukrov? It seems that if it really were a group (even a consolidated one), then they simply could not be so mediocre. Already minimal planning and provision of such an operation would be carried out.
  27. 3vs
    3vs 29 August 2014 11: 01
    +2
    It seems that the boys were used in the dark.
  28. mackonya
    mackonya 29 August 2014 11: 01
    +1
    It is clear that it is a provocation, but now it is necessary to identify what level of provocation and what level the "officials" are responsible for. But I can't believe that the servicemen could get lost, although of course the border is "demarcated" in that area, but nobody canceled the topology from the combined-arms courses, so .....
  29. BMVIK
    BMVIK 29 August 2014 11: 01
    +2
    Quote: erased
    And even greater insanity to send conscripts outside the Russian Federation.

    Where did you see conscripts there?
  30. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 29 August 2014 11: 02
    +1
    Whatever one may say - but the fact that the SBU has our fighters is extremely unpleasant. I hope that "alaverdi" from our side will not be long in coming.
  31. Vkill
    Vkill 29 August 2014 11: 12
    0
    And the servicemen themselves looked as if they were not airborne soldiers, but schoolchildren whom the director caught with cigarettes around the corner ... Confused people who carried out the order to conduct combat operations look, to put it mildly, strange, especially considering that they are airborne troops !


    I wrote about this yesterday or the day before yesterday! )))
  32. dmb
    dmb 29 August 2014 11: 24
    -2
    Our "analysts" love to fit any facts into their own "Wishlist". Well, let's analyze it from the other side. Not so long ago, all our media, choking with delight, reported about another "wise" decision of the Council of the Fed, canceling its no less "wise" decision about the possibility of bringing troops to Ukraine and withdrawing these troops to places of permanent deployment. And here on you, the Kostroma paratroopers are patrolling the border with Ukraine. This does not fit in with the previous jubilation, because Kostroma, as you know even from the school geography course, does not border on Ukraine. It is possible to assume that they got there, as the DPR representative said during his vacation, but it is difficult. To do this, it must be admitted that along with painted tanks and "scientific" companies, the new minister introduced another innovation, a vacation trip on state-owned armored vehicles. However, even if this is true, the minister adopted the experience of his predecessor Pasha Grachev, who, I remember, said the same thing about the crews of tanks knocked out in Grozny in the summer of 1994. S ... ka. The version of the capture of an armed unit and armored vehicles by villains on their own territory speaks of the extremely rich imagination of its authors. Then, at the same time, it is worth recognizing that we do not have an army as such, and all citizens screaming about its revival are either d ... ki, or scoundrels. the same idea comes in the event that a unit accidentally wandered into foreign territory, because this fact means that the combat group was sent without a map and a compass, not to mention the satellite gadgets widely advertised by the Ivanovorogozins. By the way, why if there are border guards, who, in addition to dogs and outposts, also have mangroups, consolidated reinforcement units and a bunch of armored vehicles, paratroopers also ride along the border. Well, and lastly, Bandera's bastards and slanderers, but something I have not heard from the numerous defense press releases of official statements about the capture of the paratroopers. It is even more incomprehensible why Mr. Volodin turns to KSM for clarification, and not to them. He, then, does not believe his fellow pen?
    1. Lenivets
      Lenivets 30 August 2014 01: 46
      +2
      And if the brain is turned on? There is a war on the adjacent territory, a large part of the ruin army is concentrated there, shelling of the border villages is underway, periodically armed groups cross the border - your actions? Can it reinforce the border with regular parts? ;-)
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 30 August 2014 06: 49
        0
        Quote: Lenivets
        Can it reinforce the border with regular parts? ;-)

        For starters, can demarcate, set an alarm, wire fences, organize a control and track strip? Or, at worst, more often put poles and barriers with posts on all roads, even on the most unpretentious ones, such as a rutted track? That's what I don’t understand.
        1. Lenivets
          Lenivets 30 August 2014 14: 14
          0
          All this will take a lot of time and will not help in the event of an armed conflict. Now there is a struggle for the outskirts, or at least for a large part of the outskirts, and this is a very very good time to isolate oneself from it. Do you propose to merge New Russia?
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 30 August 2014 17: 05
            0
            Yes, it will take a little time. But it will exclude cases of "lost".
            What kind of armed conflict? If Ukraine attacks us, then only to capitulate. If we keep our liberal column in check.
            Why merge? If sections of an unmarked border are needed to help New Russia, the appearance of our military and civilians in these areas who are not familiar with this area should be excluded.
            Although, I understand that "getting lost" can be just an excuse. Then you need to carefully prepare and draw conclusions from what happened. Although no one will tell us about such things smile
      2. dmb
        dmb 30 August 2014 19: 11
        +1
        Well, let's try to turn it on. The border regime provides for the participation of the armed forces in the operations of the border troops, but then why did you have to indulge in their withdrawal? The same regime and international agreements provide for the presence in the border strip of only a certain number of aircraft. If we did not violate them, then again, why are you joking about the withdrawal of troops? Do we have paratroopers closer to Vologda than Rostov? By the way, all your pathetics in no way explains the surrender of the military unit in captivity on its own territory, and the absence of the military unit performing the combat mission of communications and orientation equipment. Now try turning it on, it may work.
        1. Lenivets
          Lenivets 30 August 2014 23: 21
          0
          Where does the infa about surrender on its territory come from? Where does the info about the combat mission come from? Balabolili about the withdrawal of troops not for you, but for those who are abroad (do not take everything that is stated literally ;-)). There are paratroopers from different parts (both those closer and those further away).
          1. dmb
            dmb 31 August 2014 18: 56
            0
            Before commenting on something, you should read the article. (This is about our territory) When the commentators on the site are sick, this is not important for whom they are doing, when the leaders of the country are sick, it is somewhat different. Moreover, they are balabolit not in the western and in our media. So this is kind to you. From different parts in one group. as a rule, there are volunteers who have been assigned a specific task associated not only with risk, but also with not entirely legal activity. So apparently not included.
            1. Lenivets
              Lenivets 31 August 2014 19: 23
              0
              So you, you included ours, think that the country's leadership as a pioneer should always tell the truth to everyone? Such a country will not last long. ;-)
              Further, I do not consider this article the ultimate truth. Where are the links about the territory and the combat mission from the participants or witnesses, but at least from someone who knows, and doesn’t guess on the coffee grounds. So apparently not included.
              1. dmb
                dmb 1 September 2014 09: 13
                0
                Yes, I don’t think so, but international law, which is implemented until they have withdrawn from a treaty. Don't like the international treaty? Get out of it and drive as you wish, or as you are allowed to. And then you and others like you brand (and rightly) the United States, and immediately justify any meanness and stupidity of your own power, even if this meanness and stupidity is done not in the interests of the supposedly country, but in the interests of a small bunch of villains. In the second part of your opus, I can only recommend it again. re-read the article and my first comment on it. It’s not worthwhile to ascribe to a person what he did not say, even if you do not agree with him. Learn to lead the discussion culturally.
                1. Lenivets
                  Lenivets 3 September 2014 00: 41
                  0
                  On the first point, I will not even answer this naive, uncomplicated view of politics and government, it’s just a masterpiece! According to the latter: what is uncivilization? In your quote at the end?
  33. Evgeniy1
    Evgeniy1 29 August 2014 11: 46
    +5
    I would like to say not in essence, but in form. Why the SBU is torturing and humiliating RUSSIAN citizens, this is what s experience in Guantamo. Why so far none of the officials has made a STATEMENT on the inadmissibility of such actions, on the PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY of nalyvaychenko and Avakov for these CRIMINAL deeds. MEN You can imagine what would have started in AI now if you had shown battered, humiliated marines i.e. open mockery of US CITIZENS !, and followed as a mini-tactical military operation, ... bombers ...
    Russia SHOULD PROTECT ITS CITIZENS!
    All caught fanatics and executioners of the SBU, and there are a lot of them on the territory of Russia and Novorossiya - "TO THE NAIL"!
    Enough to chew snot!
  34. pascal309
    pascal309 29 August 2014 11: 47
    +5
    That provocation is stopudovo. It happened to the Minsk meeting once. Second, they went on a mission with a full package of documents; they would have shown medical insurance. Third, one of the paratroopers has a thick iron chain, which is according to the charter. Fourth, it was painfully they all sang together for peace in Ukraine, the lack of law-enforcement agencies, the fact that Russia is participating in the war, etc. Fifth, they look extremely bewildered, they were not ready for this performance, this explains different clothes and all the rest. Looks like they were really kidnapped. They were in the excitement, maybe they drank, or someone gave them a drink, and then they transported them warm to Ukraine. Hence the confusion of the Russian Defense Ministry. Yes, it’s like ours, but nobody knows how they got there. In general, a very good planned action, SBU + CIA.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 29 August 2014 11: 57
      +3
      Quote: pascal309
      Hence the confusion of the Russian Defense Ministry.

      The confusion can be several hours, until they report, until they clarify, until they make a decision. But why the hell did the MO and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs pretend that nothing had happened for several days now.
      How people were captured, it is necessary then to understand, but first pull out. Now, it seems that everyone just does not care about people ...
  35. baki
    baki 29 August 2014 11: 58
    -4
    Guys, well, what can you say about these articles here, this is purely your opinion, because there is an option, the reality of those events about which they are told in them.

    http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/65022.html
    http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/65017.html
  36. over
    over 29 August 2014 12: 00
    +2
    Friends, sorry for the harshness, but just boiling up. It smells of our gouging again.
    I am not saying anything, because I know no more than the rest of ordinary Russians.
    However, I think that 100% of our military operate in the Donbass.
    For almost 4 months, the militia only defended themselves and then suddenly went on the offensive. Why would you? So we help. This is certainly good. But I don’t understand why we went south? Why didn’t they push the junta away from Lugansk and Donetsk in the first place? Why are people still dying under shelling? They do not write on this site, but RBC is full of messages about the death of our paratroopers. In particular, human rights activists under the president claim more than 100 soldiers were killed. Recently, a funeral in Pskov took place. Also, they say that in reality the column of our equipment was covered with dill by hail, as the gunpowder shouted recently. Hence, 100 cargo 200. Relatives in shock. They don’t know where their children are. I don’t know how everything happens, but I’m 100% sure that our soldiers should be in the Donbas only voluntarily in such a hybrid war. And how did our paratroopers get caught ?? Why weren’t they recaptured? Where are these praised Warrior costumes with tablets and other sweets? Where are alligators and night hunters? At the base in Torzhok? After all, a flight time of 20 km is a matter of minutes. They could cover dill and pick up our guys, and burn the equipment. All the same, they will not return it to us. After all, everyone understands that they are invading another state. Therefore, one must act to the end. And we, damn it, are watching YouTube, where our fighters mumble some nonsense. From shame for them, I want to fall through the ground. It's a shame what happens as always ..
    1. Serrrrgo
      Serrrrgo 29 August 2014 13: 26
      +6
      Well, in my opinion, it’s absolutely clear that these specifically 10 paratroopers were there by chance, or they got lost, or in an AWOL, but it’s for sure not to go to war like that.
  37. foreman11
    foreman11 29 August 2014 12: 04
    +3
    HZ still in Abkhazia there were 2 troubles, communication and orientation on the ground - nothing has changed in 6 years = (, well, I hope the shoigu will nevertheless put it in order ....
    1. vova1973
      vova1973 29 August 2014 15: 49
      0
      Yes, in my opinion it was always a disaster for SA and RA
  38. lelyk72
    lelyk72 29 August 2014 12: 05
    0
    In my opinion, this is the most sober theory that most fully explains everything, more or less similar to the facts.
  39. S. TALIN
    S. TALIN 29 August 2014 12: 06
    +5
    As a border guard, I have a question ...
    What are the paratroopers doing on the border strip ?!
    Spent 8 months at the border ...
    Within a radius of 5 km., Not that the paratroopers, there was no living soul ...
    1. Lenivets
      Lenivets 30 August 2014 01: 51
      0
      I repeat again: And if the brain is turned on? There is a war on the adjacent territory, a large part of the ruin army is concentrated there, shelling of the border villages is underway, periodically armed groups cross the border - your actions? Can it reinforce the border with regular parts? ;-)
  40. boomerang.
    boomerang. 29 August 2014 12: 18
    0
    and on the VK page “News from the militia of Novorossiya” a material appeared entitled “Bandera’s adopt Hamas tactics”. In the material, the author argues that the abduction of Russian troops in the border zone could have taken place.

    This is more like the truth. They stole on the territory of Russia, just on the eve of the meeting in Minsk, and provided all this as an abduction on the territory of New Russia.
    This is in the spirit of Bandera.
  41. xomaNN
    xomaNN 29 August 2014 12: 24
    +1
    Very muddy in this story smile Even if this is the "puncture" of the Airborne Forces, where there is a powerful response wave in the media, up to Shamanov. Silence grew. the military is not into the hands of the Russian Federation
  42. komrad.klim
    komrad.klim 29 August 2014 12: 58
    +1
    repost
    Quote: komrad.klim
    Here, a carefully planned SBU capture of members of the RF Armed Forces at the border takes place. For experienced operatives, such a seizure with some training will not be difficult. In general, similar actions in the history of wars have been carried out more than once. To carry out the seizure, it is enough to study the materials of our own intelligence, and targeted actions to carry out the action (introducing agents into the enemy’s camp, bribing, obtaining information about deployment, movement, etc.)
  43. Svarog75
    Svarog75 29 August 2014 13: 00
    +1
    And why dill do not return "paratroopers" ours demanded to return them if they are ours. and maybe there is no one to return? Why did Russia easily agree that these were our paratroopers and demanded to return them home, they say, your soldiers cross the border of the Russian Federation, they are returned home and no one is satisfied, you are fuming about this and you will return them home and we will figure out what kind of paratroopers they are parts. only now it seems to me that they will not return the "paratroopers" home because there is no one to return.
  44. komrad.klim
    komrad.klim 29 August 2014 13: 02
    0
    Quote: xomaNN
    Very muddy in this story smile Even if this is the "puncture" of the Airborne Forces, where there is a powerful response wave in the media, up to Shamanov. Silence grew. the military is not into the hands of the Russian Federation

    right on hand.
    silence is the lack of interest and importance of the incident.
    It is necessary to play along with the kaklam of the SBU, such as lost.
    Do not hoarse that the SBU stole a soldier of the Russian Federation.
  45. Serrrrgo
    Serrrrgo 29 August 2014 13: 24
    0
    Dorenko had a version on the radio that the guys just decided at night to drive them around for women, to drink gorilochki and so on. Well, and unexpectedly ran into the SBU, apparently someone passed. Therefore, they took them so easily that they went as if on vacation
    1. Lenivets
      Lenivets 30 August 2014 01: 53
      0
      But the grandmother at the next entrance yesterday said that they were going to the museum ....
  46. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 29 August 2014 13: 32
    +14
    Here I look at the photo of our brave warrior and some facts immediately catch my eye.
    The uniform on it is not worn (which is issued), it is not even an army-style mask-dressing gown. This is a hunting suit that I can buy in any market for 850-900 rubles. From exactly the same fabric and with the same colors.
    Further. Bertsa are also not authorized (which issue), but purchased. Machine. The burnishing has already been erased from time to time so that the weapon already looks nickel-plated and glistens in the sun, and this despite the fact that the photo hints that this person. supposedly a scout. I strongly doubt that even now he is being brought to such an ugly state. The last time I saw a weapon in this state during the general gouging in the 90s. The helmet cover is also in a wretched form, unloading is also far from new and is going through hard times.
    If this is a reconnaissance fighter, then no words ...
    I will add that the aircraft on the background of which it stands is rubbish that can hardly rise into the air without overhaul. And what is also remarkable are attack aircraft and "crocodiles" based on the same airfield. Rather like a museum.
    1. Haye
      Haye 29 August 2014 14: 39
      +4
      I will add that the aircraft on the background of which it stands is rubbish that can hardly rise into the air without overhaul. And what is also remarkable are attack aircraft and "crocodiles" based on the same airfield. Rather like a museum.

      also drew attention

      The uniform on it is not worn (which is issued), it is not even an army-style mask-dressing gown. This is a hunting suit that I can buy in any market for 850-900 rubles. From exactly the same fabric and with the same colors.
      Further. Bertsa are also not authorized (which issue), but purchased. Machine. The burnishing has already been erased from time to time so that the weapon already looks nickel-plated and glistens in the sun, and this despite the fact that the photo hints that this person. supposedly a scout.


      maybe this person airsoft player?
  47. free
    free 29 August 2014 13: 42
    0
    what doesn’t fit into the framework in any way is the presence of documents, tokens, and even more so an evening check journal? They were either stolen, but somehow too easy?! or they surrendered their jackals !?
    1. Valerik
      Valerik 29 August 2014 14: 46
      +3
      There is betrayal and jackals missing and fraud.
      But we are not children.
      It is necessary to analyze every fact, every evidence, to compare and most importantly think and think.
      I am new here, but I am happy that most of the residents of this site are smart, adequate and competent people.
      On the occasion of the Nut Savior holiday, you are my friends.
      1. Styx
        Styx 30 August 2014 00: 25
        0
        I support every word!
  48. olegkrava
    olegkrava 29 August 2014 14: 23
    0
    Quote: kenig1
    What do you read as a mantra: ours could not, ours could not. Ever since the days of the USSR, a joke-joke went on in the Soviet army: The military got a map, now they will ask the local population for directions. We are all human and are mistaken.


    Yes, if instead of a card a pack is from under Belomor.
  49. RSU
    RSU 29 August 2014 14: 26
    -2
    Welcome to objective reality! Here we have such an army in fact, and not virtual thousands of samples of new weapons, controlled by supermen! And people surrender and want to live, and the technique is old shit, and we use the landing again as infantry, because there is no one else to send.
    1. Lenivets
      Lenivets 30 August 2014 01: 59
      0
      How would you put it mildly, my friend ... "you should write books (romantic)"
  50. belovur
    belovur 29 August 2014 15: 21
    -4
    Most likely, they were sent to help the militias. Hence the painted numbers on the technique and passports on hand. We traveled alone, because it’s impossible to move in a column, do not forget about Ov’s satellites over Ukraine. But I hope that the rest got without incident and are now doing the thing for which they were sent!
    1. Lenivets
      Lenivets 30 August 2014 02: 01
      0
      Do you seriously think that militias are sent with passports to help (unofficial)?
    2. 89273392654
      89273392654 30 August 2014 07: 54
      -1
      Yes, they didn’t send anyone there, if they were sent to Russia, everyone would have known for a long time, via word of mouth)))) there are no our troops there
      1. Yuriy666
        Yuriy666 30 August 2014 11: 15
        -3
        There are no troops, but are there prisoners and dead?