Russian paratroopers in Ukraine. Kiev inflated a big soap bubble and is afraid that it will burst

One of the topics whose discussion does not descend from the pages of the media, from forums and social networks continues to be the topic of the appearance in Ukraine of people who call themselves Russian paratroopers. As is known, all the soldiers detained by the Ukrainian side were declared representatives of the 331 personnel of the 98 regiment of the Svirsky division of the Airborne Forces of the RF Armed Forces. There are no doubts that these are Russian paratroopers after they familiarize themselves with the profiles on social networks of people who appear on Ukrainian personnel (well, of course, if you don’t fall into a conspiracy about fake profiles).

In the photo, Vladimir Savosteyev, who is today in the Ukrainian SIZO, among other servicemen of the Airborne Forces of the Russian Armed Forces

But this is perhaps the only thing in all this stories no doubt.

In clearly directed video performances, the fighters especially emphasize that their regiment is stationed in Kostroma, and Kostroma is the territory of Russia. Apparently, it is designed for the US State Department, in which there are serious problems with geography. Each of the 10 detainees was forced to speak to the camera to say that the regiment was exactly Kostroma, and it was the Russian!



Itself news about the detention of Russian paratroopers in Ukraine for obvious reasons, does not inspire any positive. The main questions that arise in this case among people who are not indifferent to the current situation are (paraphrasing the not quite censored Internet meme): “how?” And “for what specific purpose?”

If we collect bit by bit all the information that concerns the Russian paratroopers crossing the border, the picture emerges extremely strange and kaleidoscopic. After being informed by the Security Service of Ukraine about the detention of the Russian military, people who were at least somewhat familiar with the army’s laws were alerted by some kind of splints and grotesque events. All the servicemen carried documents, personal tokens, and among other things in the BMD-2, in which the soldiers allegedly moved, was discovered, nothing more, the evening calibration journal of the first parachute company of the military unit 74268 (this is already the Pskov Division Airborne). Since when did the Russian army, when fulfilling an order, move into a combat zone (and the Ukrainian side has full confidence that the Airborne Forces have received such an order) since then do they take all personal documents with them, and even grab an evening calibration journal ? In his comments on the materials submitted by the Ukrainian side, the official representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov noted that such a document was not used in the Russian Armed Forces for at least five years.

And the servicemen themselves looked as if they were not airborne soldiers, but schoolchildren whom the director caught with cigarettes around the corner ... Confused people who carried out the order to conduct combat operations look, to put it mildly, strange, especially considering that they are airborne troops !

As soon as news of the arrest of Russian paratroopers, turned into a large Ukrainian performance with local props, the major media outlets went around, people who had supposedly waited with the RBC team, RBC, which is well known, intervened, intervened in the matter. representatives of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers (CKM) talked with the command of the 98 Airborne Division. It is reported that Colonel Alexander Khotulev (deputy division commander) arrived at the meeting, and allegedly this colonel declared that the personnel of the division suffered losses after an “accidental clash” with the Ukrainian troops. The KCM said that Colonel Hotulev spoke of two dead, ten wounded and nine detainees. At the same time, the representative of the Kostroma branch of the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers, Lyudmila Khokhlova, adds that the KSM of Kostroma did not have any personnel from this meeting, since they were allegedly forbidden to take pictures, take pictures and keep audio recording of the conversation. Well, of course! .. Wow, what crystal clear employees of the KSM are - nobody at the meeting with the command even tried to turn on the voice recorder in order to present the facts later. Or did all the “mothers” personally be searched at the entrance of Colonel Hotulev?

"Military Review" asked for more information about the meeting described in the media Lyudmila Khokhlova and Colonel Khotuleva. The request was addressed to the chairman of the Kostroma regional branch of the All-Russian public organization "Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia" Nina Terekhova. No reply has yet been given.

Meanwhile, military experts express their opinion on the situation with the detained paratroopers in Ukraine. The opinion explains the confusion with which the soldiers appear on the territory of Ukraine. In particular, on the page of the VK "Reports from the militia of Novorossia" appeared a material called "Bandera adopt HAMAS tactics". In the material, the author argues that the abduction of Russian military personnel in the border zone could have taken place.

Of material:

And everything seems to fit in and fold. ” Like, and Tanks captured paratroopers repainted, glossing over the symbols of the Russian Federation ... But no one is surprised why the military “secretly abandoned” in a foreign country came with medallions, documents, personal items - everything necessary to identify them as Russian military personnel. You can, of course, suspect the “damned militarists” in Moscow of meanness, insidiousness, lies, but blame the Kremlin for idiocy ?!
It seems obscene and simple thing. As you know, Ukrainian Nazis, including army ones, are now being trained by “specialists” from the Islamic Revival Party and the Muslim Brotherhood movement. And these “warriors” from the Middle East were probably one of the first lessons taught science, how to abduct and take hostage soldiers in the border area.

Indirectly, such information can be confirmed by statements by the representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov, mentioned above. According to him, the BMD-2, demonstrated by the SBU, is also in service with Ukraine, and therefore the words that the car belongs to the Armed Forces of Russia are unsubstantiated. That is, there is no evidence to the words of the SBU that the Russian paratroopers arrived in the Donbass on board the military equipment.

Of course, the very posing of the question in the style of "could not the Ukrainian special services kidnap Russian paratroopers?" may seem funny. But is it Ukrainian? Especially if we take into account that even the work of the head of the Security Service of Ukraine Nalyvaichenko is controlled and adjusted by Western special services. And why did not take into account the fact that the fathers-commanders in the army who were ready to sell for a pack of candy wrappers, unfortunately, existed at all times. Or did the fighters themselves prepare all their documents in order to later demonstrate to the SBU? ..

If you rely on this version, then it is quite possible to explain the confusion in the Ministry of Defense after the first reports of the Ukrainian side that Russian servicemen were detained on the territory of Ukraine, as well as allegations that the paratroopers had lost their way. The seizure of Russian military personnel is not such an extraordinary thing. During the Caucasian campaigns, the abduction of Russian soldiers was, unfortunately, commonplace. In some cases, soldiers were abducted for ransom or exchange, in some cases for the purpose of intimidation or tactical bargaining. In the Ukrainian case, all these options may work.

Critics of the mentioned version say: wait, but the fighters were with weapons, and how can you just take and kidnap an armed man? Well, how can anyone prove now that this weapon belonged to the “detained” servicemen? After the Ukrainian fake that Russian journalists from LifeNews allegedly participated in the supply of "separatists" MANPADS, it is generally strange that the SBU paratroopers did not "find" tactical missiles in boxes and SDYAV in ampoules ...

Of course, on the detainees (stolen) of the Russian paratroopers, Ukraine will try to make a large-scale PR campaign about the "clawed paw of the Kremlin" and about the "war between Russia and the Ukrainian people." Well, and perhaps Russia did not have time to develop immunity to these accusations. As if for the first time to hear about the Ukrainian insinuations. If the Ukrainian side continues to insist that the Russian special services stole the pilot Savchenko, what has prevented the Ukrainian special services with a star-striped color to organize the abduction of Russian soldiers from the adjacent territory (or still while patrolling those borders) with good help from Russian officials ? It seems to be conspiracy, but after all the fairy tale is a lie, and in it, as is known, a hint ...

“Detention” of one fighter would look somehow absurd, given the scale of the “war of Russia with Ukraine” that Kiev is talking about, but a dozen privates, corporals and sergeants who are sent to God and for what tasks is the very thing ... Yes and before the Minsk meeting, to make a gift to the leader of the junta Poroshenko ... Now, with this "gift", Kiev rushes, not knowing how else to blow this soap bubble, but at the same time fears that it will burst.

Comments

[Good cat]

Something unclean in this story is not very true.

[shershen]

Oh, nonsense, ours couldn’t go so childishly.

[kenig1]

What do you read as a mantra: ours could not, ours could not. Ever since the days of the USSR, a joke-joke went on in the Soviet army: The military got a map, now they will ask the local population for directions. We are all human and are mistaken.

[gray]

Yes, we are all human beings and therefore it is necessary that it would not really happen to affirm and talk about the abduction of our soldiers. About weapons, why they didn’t shoot back, I recall the affairs of the mid-90s when our soldiers were forbidden even to shoot in response.

[avg]

Quote: gray

.About weapons, why didn’t shoot back, I remind you of the mid-90s when our soldiers were forbidden even to shoot in response

I agree to one hundred percent.
I don’t know whether our guys got lost or stolen them, but I know for sure that the games of peace should be left to politicians. A patrol on the border with a belligerent enemy country should be ready to repel any attack, and most importantly, to have all the rights for this.

[lelikas]

Quote: kenig1

What do you read as a mantra: ours could not, ours could not. Ever since the days of the USSR, a joke-joke went on in the Soviet army: The military got a map, now they will ask the local population for directions. We are all human and are mistaken.

It's just that it's really not clear here how and "why", they got there, and the Ministry of Defense could not say anything intelligible - and actually did not say.
The fact that they read the text during interrogations and a hedgehog is understandable.

[Serg 122]

MO could not say anything intelligible - and actually did not say.

As with this, too:

The funeral of the Pskov paratroopers killed in Ukraine
November 28.08.2014, XNUMX
In the village of Vybuty near Pskov, the funeral of paratroopers, who died probably in the past ten days, was held. At the same time, it is not known under what circumstances they died. One of the versions - they could have been killed during the hostilities in Ukraine.
The website of the Presidential Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights has published a list of the dead. It lists surnames, years of birth, military ranks and positions. However, since the law “On Personal Data” prohibits the publication of full information about the victims, only their posts and titles are published on the site. It is noted that the majority on the list are natives of Dagestan. Among the dead - six privates, lieutenant, junior sergeant and senior sergeant.
1. Sanitary instructor, private.
2. Scout, private.
3. Scout, private.
4. The commander of the group, lieutenant.
5. Art. scout, art. sergeant.
6. Scout grenade launcher, private.
7. Scout sniper, private.
8. Mine reconnaissance, private.
9. The commander of the department, ml. sergeant.
Ella Polyakova, a member of the Presidential Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights, told the Moscow Says radio station that, firstly, this is a “reliable list”. “The second. We do not understand why people died, and no one is responsible. The third. Killed many people from other units. Parents turn to us and look for their sons, ”she added.

[Apologet.Ru]

I completely and absolutely agree with the author of the previous article that the fighters simply got lost!
Those who served in the army as an officer or ensign can give a lot of similar examples, and this is not in the territory where the fighting is being conducted, but in completely greenhouse peaceful conditions.
And, of course, I really do not envy the commanders of these warriors, and with a shudder imagine how the superior pulls them one place on the Bandera trident.
And rightly so, by the way, they do, because volens - nolens, but it was they who created this divine gift to the supporters of the junta.
How can juntas beat him, besides throwing tantrums about the invasion of regular troops of the Russian army?
Yes, at least offer to exchange prisoners for artillery spotter Nadezhda Savchenko, who currently enjoys the hospitality of the Voronezh pre-trial detention center and expects an all-inclusive trip to the Russian capital for a psychiatric examination.
And you need to clearly understand the goals and objectives of the current moment of the confrontation - Russia, like air, must be forced to accept the militia of the Donbass Kiev, Ge_yropam and Pi_ndostan as a party to the negotiations, which such a proposal doesn’t like ....

[izGOI]

Quote: Apologet.Ru

I completely and absolutely agree with the author of the previous article that the fighters simply got lost!

At the end of the 70's. There was an incident with a Soviet submarine off the coast of Sweden. Also, the navigator got lost, the commander made a strong-willed decision. As a result, the boat was in an area where you couldn’t go specifically. In fact, if you really got lost, you can find yourself in Rostov, in Donetsk, in Paris.

[Proud.]

Quote: Serg 122

he could not say - and actually did not say.

I do not know where you got the text from, but it looks ugly. Let me explain. In the "heading" of the text, it sounds peremptory, asserting-The funeral of the Pskov paratroopers killed in Ukraine.Next, already presumably-they could have been killed during the fighting in Ukraine.And yet. I went to the site "Council under the President of the Russian Federation for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights". Where to look for this list? I want to make sure.

[KDS]

And nowhere to look for him! He's not there!

[Proud.]

Quote: Serg 122

As with this, too:

Yeah ... Found it. Here's what this information looks like: "... Members of the Presidential Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights Sergei Krivenko and Ella Polyakova yesterday asked the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation check (emphasis added) information on the death of nine contract soldiers of the 18th motorized rifle brigade (military unit 27777).

Information about the death of military personnel near the military training ground in the Rostov region arrived at human rights defenders on August 9 and 11, and yesterday they (August 26), guided by the articles of the Code of Criminal Procedure governing the procedure for reporting a crime, they sent an Internet appeal to the Military Investigation Department of the IC of Russia with a request check the specified information. The list of victims, submitted by human rights defenders to the UK, contains the following information: full name, year of birth, military ranks and positions of all nine military personnel.

The Federal Law "On Personal Data" does not allow the publication of complete information about the victims, therefore we publish only their positions and titles:
1. sanitary instructor, private.
2. scout, private.
3. scout, private.
4. group commander, lieutenant.
5. Art. scout, art. sergeant.
6. reconnaissance grenade launcher, private.
7. reconnaissance sniper, private.
8. Mine reconnaissance soldier.
9. squad leader, ml. sergeant.

Most of the list are natives of the Republic of Dagestan.

If the information was confirmed and if there were grounds, Sergei Krivenko and Ella Polyakova asked to open a criminal case on the facts of the deaths of servicemen ... "In short, don't understand from whom.

[izGOI]

Bravo! That's what serious work means!

[alekSASHKA-36]

In the village B.Kazinka, Voronezh region. This week the Pskov paratrooper, captain, was buried. A guy from my work who lives in the same village told me that the father of the deceased said that they brought him from the LPR as if they were clearing the road in front of the humanitarian convoy.

[hly]

The kingdom of heaven is to the warrior who died for his friends.

[rosewik]

How does father know? That’s the most important thing, because even if the Moscow Region had sent him there, his father would never have known what, where, how, and why, but he could have guessed ... What a pity, of course, but justified.

[Hon]

from my town, about ten cops left for Ukraine. and everyone knows where, why, and how much they pay. to one, even the wife went to the wedding anniversary.

[acute]

You know a lot. Be quiet more. In general, people go about their initiative. Nobody sends them by force as it was in the union, especially conscripts

[Hon]

but no one cares. dill have been screaming about it for several months, and don't give a damn. the soldiers in social networks post pictures and write statuses like "they hammered through Ukraine all night" and still no one cares, because this is not evidence. about conscripts, if they exist, they only enter the territory of Ukraine, but do not fight. By the way, the paratroopers were released, they got lost))
Western media write that Putin allegedly sent soldiers to the war, as he recently threw polite people into the Crimea. although this is not the case, he sent volunteers from various law enforcement agencies, about which, if they get caught, you can say they went on vacation. relatives know where they are. although the Western media already write about the unfortunate "soldiers' mothers." Of the regular troops, only spetsnaz is hooligan.
what I mean. no matter what anyone knows, we will still deny everything. and the West to come up with a convenient "truth".

[acute]

Listen, who are you working for? Do you write some kind of crap and then you justify yourself? What kind of man are you? Like a talkative woman in the market. You hear a ringing and carry it around the world. Know and know, be quiet. And then Euro-Ukrainians are reading people like you, and then your conclusions are laid out in social. network. Are you an enemy of your country? There used to be a Chatterbox poster - a find for a spy. There is something right in this. And the fact that you write is akin to a man who has whored up from his wife, and then makes excuses. Not manly

[Hon]

I am a Mongolian intelligence agent. I don’t keep my mouth shut because I’m already tired of fantasizing. the guys were taken prisoner, they immediately began to write that it could not be, not ours, right location, etc. who believed that ours began to write "began", tomorrow we will attack. and there it all started long ago.
but you can write anything you want, even the truth, still do not prove ...

[Dan1103]

what area?

[Hon]

Saratov region I won’t talk anymore)

[Hon]

What do you mean they said repeated? I know these guys personally, and very well. we have 14 thousand people in the entire region.

[volodyk50]

Oh, nonsense, ours couldn’t go so childishly.

My opinion was that Vladimir Vladimirovich threw a Khokhlam bone, so that while they relish it under their very nose they could crank up some sort of business, or simply beat the airwaves with captured military personnel so that the militia could calmly go on the offensive. Without too much publicity.

[nerd.su]

Quote: lelikas

The fact that they read the text during interrogations and a hedgehog is understandable.

If this is a Ukrainian setup, then read it. Putin himself admitted that these are our paratroopers and, by the way, Putin claims that Poroshenko promised to transfer the captured paratroopers to Russia. If it’s our cuddles, they’ll pass it on, they will probably be fired from the service, and everything happily ended. But if it’s Ukrainian disguised counterintelligence? And Putin has already said that these are our paratroopers - if you please transfer to Russia
It is possible that ours either got lost or was stolen, that is, there is a fact and it had to be recognized. But mumbled garnets read on the recognition camera. But all will have to be transferred to Russia. And here comes the moment of truth ...

[vladimirZ]

Quote from shershen (1):
... ours couldn’t go so childishly ...

I already wrote in a comment on the next article about "lost paratroopers", so excuse the repetition, but ours can "screw up" and not only soldiers, but also officers.
The story of 40 years ago, which happened in Mongolia.
We, in ZabVO, were informed of the situation of an accidental crossing of the Mongolia-China border by a UAZ car with 4 of our Soviet officers, almost with a lieutenant colonel at the head, who left at night in the steppe "to the lights" of a Chinese border outpost. We got lost, and in the dark we drove straight to the Chinese.
According to the laws of China, at that time and given the tense relations of the USSR with China, these soldiers were tried for illegally crossing the border and were given 10 years in prison.
Among the career officers, there was one lieutenant with a biennial, that I, then also a lieutenant of a biennial, was greatly struck by the fact that a "jacket" came for 2 years of service, and fate had prepared for him an extension of this term, as much as 10 years.
Can anyone remember this story? How did it end?

[ODERVIT]

This is the land border. And how many accidental airspace violations. During my service in Veshchevo, near Vyborg, our valiant pilots managed to fly the Chukhonts abroad up to forty kilometers. At the same time, they made mistakes themselves, and the flight management group "clapped" their ears. So, I admit the possibility of error. All that happens, without mistakes, service only with the "ideal soldier".

[Pilat2009]

Quote: vladimirZ

Can anyone remember this story? How did it end?

I don’t know about this story, but a man works for us, he is over 60 and he served at the time of Damansky’s border. He told me that once they entered Chinese territory, got lost and even signaled with shots to nearby cars. When they returned, the command quickly began to notice traces in the literal sense. When the Chinese descended in the morning, everything was neatly spotted and sprinkled with snow

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: shershen

Oh, nonsense, ours couldn’t go so childishly.

And what did Putin and Churkin say about this? All the same nonsense yes

[siberalt]

Putin just put forward a version of the lost crew, and promised to figure it out. And Churkin repeated his words. So the "misunderstandings" remain. It looks like a cover game.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: siberalt

Putin just put forward a version of the lost crew, and promised to figure it out. And Churkin repeated his words. So the "misunderstandings" remain.

And Lavrov, too, but no one denied that it wasn’t ours. Do you need confirmation from the Lord God?

[Bombardier]

The children wanted an alcoholic, and so they decided to drive them away quickly, to the nearest settlement, because there was no officer with them.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Bombardier

The guys wanted an alcoholic, so they decided to drive away quickly,

Do you know for sure, or did you break through like that?

[Bombardier]

Only they themselves know for sure, but from experience ... it happened, but you don’t? Where could they go without an officer?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Bombardier

Only they know for sure, but from experience

What, somewhere he participated or in peacetime?

Quote: Bombardier

. it happened, but you don’t?

I did not participate and was far from the database, unlike them.

Quote: Bombardier

Where could they go without an officer?

Well, you know better from the sofa where and why. As we like to draw conclusions. First they yell in support of the army, but almost like that, they’ll shame men from head to toe. Like the last nits behave.

[Bombardier]

It’s not worth cursing, jerking and nervous. No one is obsessing the army. There is a fact and discussion can be seen on it, let's better think then, as the author suggests, that their fathers were sold by commanders - a quote from the article:
"And why not take into account the fact that the fathers-commanders in the army, ready to sell for a pack of candy wrappers, unfortunately, existed at all times."
Does that mean that no nits think about our army?
I understand your patriotic impulse.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Bombardier

t. There is a fact and discussion can be seen on it

I do not draw conclusions, unlike those who are now stigmatizing them here and looking for any detail that would call into question that they are ours.
I would write-turn them in any way, I would understand it. But yelling that they went for the water can only ..... The discussion is over.

[Bombardier]

Well, the fact that they need to be returned is not discussed. But hide your head in the sand ...?

[tomket]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

But they can only yell that they went behind the water

then where they went and why, with someone or without whom it doesn’t matter, it’s important how they behave in front of the camera. But therefore, we can only say the occasion, now we have such paratroopers.

[ABV]

are they suicide bombers? it’s easy to bazaar from the sofa ... and if there was an order from the command in the event of captivity - not to heroize, but to say that they will order them to be pulled out later? and if the tenth, which previously appeared, and then disappeared, this is just an officer, and if he was removed from living skin? there is so much if it can be ... that's how you can blame any shit without facts ?? it is not in Russian ..

[Lenivets]

watch less movies

[12423 student]

Contractor cannot advance without an officer? Are you seriously?

[Predator]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Bombardier

The guys wanted an alcoholic, so they decided to drive away quickly,

Do you know for sure, or did you break through like that?

Those who served urgently know that they do not go AWOL by a subunit, especially in vehicles and with weapons. Youngsters are loaded up, no more, with the task of "grabbing from the enemy" 2-3 liters of ammunition. Complete delirium.

[Bombardier]

It remains a mystery why they were taken with weapons and equipment like young ladies in a barn, and the soldiers should have imagined that there was a war going on. If I’m not mistaken there are all contract soldiers, young animals can not be found. What did the officer of this unit do all this time?

[ODERVIT]

This is a branch. A platoon has three separators. The platoon commander is an officer. But it could turn out that his duties were performed by a deputy. platoon com, sergeant. contractor. Understanding is really difficult.

[koshh]

Quote: Bombardier

It remains a mystery why they were taken with weapons and equipment as young ladies in a barn,

Have you noticed the technique? Under Rostov there is no such technique. There is now such a technique that only in the picture, as a civilian, saw.

[vladim.gorbunow]

Do not mind. The version is widely discussed. We went not so much for alcohol as for the girls. Perhaps there was a guide, he then ambushed the SBU. There was information preparation for Poroshenko’s trip to Minsk. And then suddenly the counterattack of the Army of New Russia began. And this whole story has not sounded. Conclusions must be made right for the future.

[Bombardier]

Well, let the girls, it will not cut the ear and the image of the fighters will not suffer.

[Black]

Quote: vladim.gorbunow

We went not so much for alcohol as for the girls.

Well .... and the women realized .....
And what about women, too, running around with documents and medical certificates ??
There is nothing to drive garbage. Caught idiotic and VERY out of time. That's all. Let’s return the boys, the puncture will become an experience, for there are no goofy golems there.

[Black Colonel]

Why then? When we at the Telemba (Buryaria) firing range fired at air targets from the Krug air defense missile system, our lads on a BAT to the nearest settlement (Telemba, in my opinion) went AWOL. It's about 25 km away. On the right and left of the road, there are mainly swamps. When the nix happened, they rushed ahead of the brigade's location. And so that the officer's search group in the UAZ did not catch up with them, they quickly built an embankment across the dirt road. While the pursuers made a passage in this embankment and rushed to the location, the self-propelled guns were already sleeping (or pretending to be sleeping). Well, during the interrogation, everyone went unconscious and refused. It was a fun time! (1980-1982)

[MORDVIN13rus]

The famous polygon. Itself somersaulted there 2 times, in 2008, being an conscript, and in 2009 it was already a double bass))) And about the dumper, you are right, I saw it at the dope itself, at 8 I saw it, I ran at 9, but no one took any documents, because you’ll burn count khan. So about the Airborne Forces, also misunderstandings, either the guys were stolen in our territory, or they were caught somewhere else, and presented to the noise of the Minsk meeting, here they say, love !!!

[vova1973]

at the training ground, the soldiers and without officers remained and sat there until they came to terms with military equipment. I remember with a bulldozer the conscript commander sau asked us that we would pull out his installation in tow with our URAL. The whole battery left, and he stayed ofigel just he, for several days his crew was sitting there. And the soldiers were forgotten at the training ground. And during the night shooting at the NP, they beat with BMP. And the fact that the soldiers on technology drove into the nearest village was not surprised by this. And at night to get lost nefig do.

[ODERVIT]

I will supplement it. Ten people. It means separation and say deputy. com platoon. They could complete the task without officers. And the presence of the latter is not a guarantee of a possible random error.

[26rus]

Some kind of strange office. In terms of numbers - yes, but in terms of composition: sergeant of an engineering and combat engineer company, artillery calculation number, reconnaissance officer, parachute assault rifleman, sergeant - castle platoon commander, mechanic - driver. And at the same time - half corporal. Obviously not a full-time department. Although, HZ, maybe a summary?

[Bruss]

The airborne squad has 7 people.

[Lenivets]

I will supplement it. Branch in the Airborne Forces 7 people.

[dummy]

Well, yes, but in case there wasn’t enough money for alcohol, they seized all the documents.

[Bombardier]

Then they stole it for sure.

[tomket]

the availability of documents can be explained by two points. 1) since they are double basses, then the documents are in their hands. Although in the combat zone should have been withdrawn in any case, but there is already a sin for the father commander. 2) The documents were seized, but somehow they again appeared at the paratroopers, so that they could be identified without problems at the time of capture and as evidence, respectively.

[Genry]

Quote: Bombardier

The children wanted an alcoholic, and so they decided to drive them away quickly, to the nearest settlement, because there was no officer with them.

Such "operations" usually involve two + the driver. The rest pretend that everything is in order in the "place".
Although, if many cars were driving somewhere, then this car from a convoy is like driving a couple of people to civilization and to a store.
There is such a word - self-willed. Not uprootable like Russian daredevil and crucifix ...

[EvgenSuslov]

Well, then they have passports from where ???

[K-50]

Quote: Bombardier

The children wanted an alcoholic, and so they decided to drive them away quickly, to the nearest settlement, because there was no officer with them.

With a weapon for a pivasik?
What nonsense, or have we begun to call oligophrenic in our Airborne Forces? It would seem to any sensible one who was too brazen, but did they go, and they even grabbed the journal of the evening inspection of another’s division? Rave!!!!

[fif21]

Quote: shershen

Oh, nonsense, ours couldn’t go so childishly.

Yes, I had a better opinion of the Airborne Forces, what are these swineherd paratroopers! Substitute your country like that, no words one mate ....

[yushch]

No need to drive on the airborne. Everyone has punctures, there are bare fields and only local ones can show you where the border goes. Moreover, the guys arrived from Kostroma and from the train immediately to the march. One car on the march lagged and the commander sent another car in search of it. What was not there the officer says that the bulk of the soldiers are contract soldiers and one of them was the unit commander.
And the fact that they got trite in an unfamiliar area is not news at all for any "infantry" officer.

[Bombardier]

I will put you a plus. Your version impresses me (I want to believe that it was so).

[tomket]

Quote: yushch

No need to drive on the airborne. Everyone has punctures, there are bare fields and only local people can show you where the border goes

The point is not that the paratroopers lost their orientation on the terrain, they are like a table around the steppe, and go figure it out where to go, at least you are not Kostroma. The fact is that after a couple of Fingals, for them Putin is no longer the Commander-in-Chief, and for which they do not receive a feeble salary in the army, they also do not know. Such is the elite of our troops. from heaven to earth, as they say ....

[yushch]

All the same, I do not agree with you, it's all about the mood. When you go to a real war you have the mood to fight enemies.
When reinforcing the border is completely different. They didn’t shoot back, and this means that they did not consider the Ukrainians enemies. It’s bad that they didn’t have an officer commander who would remind them of how the paratroopers behave.

[Lenivets]

Have you been captured? If not, take off your pink glasses and try to think with your head.

[Bruss]

Or in the dark they tried to focus on the sound - the column is noisy and went the wrong way! But this will only work in complete darkness!

[Sailor]

I hope there are no more such servicemen in our "valiant" Airborne Forces, so set up the country at the most inopportune moment.

[Lenivets]

What's the question! Show how to behave in real life.

[ABV]

but what is it again .... from the sofa - the information is zero, but all at once! probably another tumbled down and urry for airborne forces ..

[Lenivets]

Everyone is wrong. To put it mildly, your opinion is not very important .....
Go serve as a critic ....

[evgenii67]

Quote: Good cat

Something unclean in this story is not very true.

I would rather believe that they "accidentally crossed the border" than that they were kidnapped by some special services (the hand of the West) from the territory of Russia. If they were really kidnapped, then why the heck we generally need such an airborne force, let them be 10-15 thousand people, but they will be really professionals, and not these students. Yesterday I laid out an anecdote, I duplicate: Stirlitz has never been so close to failure ...
Near Donetsk, security officials detained 4 priests who were traveling in the same car. At the request to read "Our Father" it sounded ... "bl..d pi..ets". This is about the situation with the paratroopers.

[BEKHA]

Maybe just a betrayal? or they were betrayed by officers or they sold themselves. It was the same thing even KGB men sold out during Soviet times. And remember the story with MIG om there is also a betrayal. Remember Litvinenko? Even Gorbachev was recruited. It’s very easy to recruit 10 paratroopers or one of the officers.

[Lenivets]

Or maybe they brought damage to them, or maybe the intergalactic union framed .....
It is necessary to have a bite.

[Civil]

That is, ours will not recognize them as paratroopers? Throw if it's your own?
They will not pay for the military and everything else associated with the presence of a Russian serviceman in hostilities? YOU CAN NOT DO IT THIS WAY.

[alicante11]

I also have very big doubts that these are paratroopers. The abduction is also hard to believe.
The first version. These are paratroopers and they were abducted on the territory of Russia. How was it possible to kidnap 9-10 people with good training? Even in order to take them unarmed in a dismissal, you need several armed men and a competent ambush. I’m not talking about the armed at all, and all the more so, on the BMD-school, there was such a battle that they would have heard in Moscow. And in any case, someone would have left and brought help, since so many were alive. That is, they should have known about the group’s route of movement. Where from? Why do people have PASSPORTS with them? It seems that before, the main document of a soldier was a military ID. Maybe something has changed?
Version-2, about the fact that the paratroopers were on Ukrainian territory, I will not even discuss. Because the war has been going on for several days, and our units have been patrolling for several days. So RANDOMLY could not get lost in any way. Moreover, on BMD, it means they drove along the road, which during this time was studied quite well in any way. Plus, again, passports and a magazine, it is not clear where it came from. So the version is cut off right away.

What happened? I'm afraid we will never know. But, judging by the calm reaction of our leadership, and by the fact that the personalities of the "paratroopers" do not cause any doubts, we can talk about some kind of operation on our part. Maybe the operation is directed against "nulliparous mothers" who quickly surfaced grants. Maybe to cover the border crossing by "volunteers" who can be seen by OSCE monitors at the border occupied by the militia. And by the way, if anyone noticed, it grows together very well in time. The offensive of the militia completely scored with a "white noise" the cries of the "pro-salipolymers" about the sufferings of the "paratroopers" in captivity.

[Oldwiser]

pawn sacrifice for initiative

[Lenivets]

And on the basis of what have you drawn such far-reaching conclusions?

[225chay]

Quote: Good cat

Something unclean in this story is not very true.

A solid shadow on the wattle fence ...

[222222]

It's unclean here .. "" "
... "" Unclean, unclean, brothers! Unclean! Unclean! .. Unclean mulberry! .. Unclean! Save yourself who can! ""
It is not clear why the Russian Embassy in Ukraine does not require a meeting with detainees. And if there was a meeting, then why there are no messages ???

[Styx]

An excellent thought about embassy meetings, or rather non-meeting, for some reason it’s silent about this! questions, questions, questions ... Not a single answer

[Rus2012]

Quote: Good cat

Something unclean in this story is not very true.

About inconsistencies of dill tales in detail here -
Putting together the paratroopers puzzle

Everything would be fine, but from this place the inconsistencies are just a jamb. There is a war on the other side of the ribbon. I can assume that ordinary paratroopers are so intellectually limited that they are not interested in anything other than smashing various building materials with their heads. (Yes, the paratroopers will forgive me for such a blasphemous assumption, but, men, believe me, this is how it should be, you yourself will understand why.) I’m even ready to admit that the command is infinite meanness and deceit, so that I know where the column will go, but the soldiers themselves cannot the words. Well, there, Putin personally intimidated or bribed everyone. You never know what. But commanders cannot be idiots. Send a convoy with escort to the combat zone (and what is fighting there, every child in Russia today, especially an officer, especially the commander of a unit that is two steps away from the "ribbon" and is going to cross it) and not give it ammunition ? Not to instruct the personnel? Well, how are they going to shoot the wrong guy? How can an international scandal be extinguished then? And if they are not given cartridges, then what is the point in escorting that strange column? Just go for a ride in the countryside of the adjacent side? That's really unlikely. Therefore, either there was an escort, and then they were given live ammunition, or they were not given, but then there could be no convoy escort to the other side either. For without ammunition, that they were there, that they were not there, they would not have been able to cover the column from any "evil people". No way. Even if the "evil people" were only armed with baseball bats.

And if they gave out cartridges, then how the fighters themselves could not match the geography (at school they studied and were not similar to downs, therefore, they could not know that Krasnodar is not far from Ukraine), repainting cars, identification dressings, extradition live ammunition and wonder - where do we go then, huh? Teachings? For ordinary exercises, live ammunition is not issued. Not to mention the fact that the issuance of live ammunition is always accompanied by a briefing, directly explaining what for they were given where we are going, what is waiting for and who can be shot there, and who not. It is like phlegm of water. If water, then it is always wet, if not wet, then it is not water. You can certainly assume that this is some kind of alcohol, but then the smell will let you down. There are some commanders who lead their subordinates into the combat zone, where they can be shot at and even killed in two accounts, while they carefully hide everything and do not even give out cartridges. Somehow, it is already becoming suspicious.

Fully - http://news.newru.org/news/skladyvaja_pazl_pro_desantnikov/2014-08-29-584

[ABV]

Interesting ... and in the photo - 2 this is METALLICA drummer Lars Ulrich, I recognized him ... by his foot ..

[12423 student]

Quote: Good cat

Something unclean in this story is not very true.

Here it is necessary to search for the truth with a microscope.
Is it normal for the Airborne Forces to have fighters from different companies in one BMD? Or there was no BMD, there was no movement in one column? During my service, fighters of different companies usually met on a business trip, when several soldiers were sent from each company. For example, to harvest cabbage. Well, or in the hospital.

[Max_Bauder]

I also consider it nonsense, we have geography knowledge from school, topography is taught in the military commissar, HOW? how could they get lost? everyone knows about the events in Ukraine, if you have doubts about the route you can not ask the authorities? something is not clean.

[kyznets]

If Putin could not say anything about our captured paratroopers, then guess on snot. There were, were not, drank - did not drink. If Putin let the fog slip and slid off the answer, it means that you just need to wait for the facts and until the military with the big stars tell you, or it pops up, as usual, all this pops up. And our ministry of defense looked nothing. Also Putin planted a toad. No comments! Which was announced by the president. So, there’s nothing to pour water into the mill of ghouls so far. No comments, nothing to discuss. Heartburn only crushes from such news. Could something and explain, and not smoke, not dill.

[Lenivets]

Did you study geography at the school all the border villages and the roads between them on the border of Russia and the outskirts?

[michelle]

It is embarrassing that the costumes are borderline, all the fighters from different divisions (drove in the same car!) And without injuries (these are paratroopers !!!) It’s clear that the performance!

[navara399]

Why pulled this article? Something I did not see anything concrete. Questions as were and remained. Minus.

[Lukerya Weaver]

Well, actually I already wrote about this, referring to Traveler, that Ukrainian subversive groups were ordered from Kiev to abduct our troops in the border zone. And indeed the abduction explains a lot.

[Kite]

And additional confirmation of this version - fighters from different units in this group (one of the sappers, one of the reconnaissance platoon, several from the 3rd company, .....). How could they end up on the same carriage? Lie ukuroki, insolent and in our territory captured the relaxed fighters.
Only ukrobanda will have to return our people and then everything will become known about how they were captured and where.

[Valerik]

1. I think that they will not return.
2. Whoever serves understands, the order is brought by affiliation.
3. There are a lot of doubts, but if we live in Our country, we must trust our leader. Otherwise, it makes no sense to live here. Sorry if I offended anyone, but I'm for Putin.
Valerik

[AUL]

And what, paratroopers have been kidnapped from us, and their fathers-commanders have not noticed anything yet? Nonsense ... If people disappeared, dozens of reports would have already been written, there would have been a big naughty part, these papers would have been presented to the "world community" - like, look, everyone, people have been stolen from us!
No, something is wrong here, the matter is muddy!

[mitya24]

Bl .... !!!! Yes, it's not the hens that the fox steals from the chicken coop. THIS airborne bl .... .... the beauty and pride of our aircraft.

[Ryndabul]

But it seems to me that nothing is finished. Landing, for sure, is conducting its investigation, and as if someone did not cry with bloody tears as a result of it ...

[delorian]

on NTV they said that the weapon was not loaded and that they really didn’t take documents for special operations

[iConst]

I still did not understand what the author wanted to say. Chaotic presentation of the material. Some kind of porridge.

Request to the author to avoid long sentences. For the future.

[Volodin]

Quote: iConst

Request to the author to avoid long sentences. For the future.

Okay. Then it will be easier: "Evening". "We left." "Lost" (briefly, according to the Ministry of Defense)

[GRDS]

Complete mutnyak!

[shaman-25rus]

the bubble will burst. and the splinters will blow the pig.

[rotmistr60]

Now Kiev rushes with this "gift", not knowing how to further inflate this soap bubble, but at the same time fears that it will burst.

God grant that this bubble burst. But the first reaction of the RF Ministry of Defense and the government, suggests that this is either sloppiness, or some kind of secret gestures of foreign policy.
We will wait for clarification of this situation.

[Hyperboreec]

All info about the Russian Airborne Forces-this is nonsense.

If this is true of our airborne forces, then for What and Why and Why it was done, we will find out in 50 years.

[Crimea-nyash]

fact is fact, it’s bad that the airborne assault was put out by stupid soldiers who don’t know how to navigate the terrain .. now the problem is to get them out of there .. yes and how they raised the stench.

[nahalenok911]

But about the disappearance of the fighters, if they were abducted, they should have reported! If the MO there was confusion, then there was no abduction, or corruption. Or a complete mess !!!

[air wolf]

Something the dude in the video is too small for the paratrooper, they didn’t take me to Ryazanka with my height 170, I went to flyers

[Lenivets]

And then the Ryazan? There are no officers among the prisoners.

[Lukerya Weaver]

Why do I think this is an abduction? These guys could be fired, without weapons but with documents. This may explain the discrepancy in their clothes. I don’t know how it is now, but my husband told me that in his time, military personnel were forbidden to wear such chains around the neck as one of the paratroopers. Here we also need to keep in mind the features of our Rostov border with Ukraine. From Rostov through Taganrog to the border with Ukraine, the Uspenska station runs an electric train, stopping at each post. And the Uspenka station, as I am told by the locals from those who have been there, is a village in one street. One side of the street is Ukraine, the other is Russia. There are also settlements divided in the same way. So there are various possibilities for abduction.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

The version of the abduction is more plausible (they will not be given back to Russia and are unlikely to be given out in the near future) ... It is not for nothing that such a howl is in the Western media and ours are confused about “How could this happen ..? (and the faces of the paratroopers seem to be from a big hangover ..))))

[Lukerya Weaver]

Have you not noticed that one paratrooper has his whole face broken? I think they were beaten to make them talk on the camera.

[Black]

Quote: MIKHAN

The abduction version is more believable

The version is just as ridiculous. like any other excuse.
The victories of the militia (which became, as you know, became the Army) are due only to the fighting Spirit .....

[21113890]

forced on the card to say what the regiment was on camera

[Combitor]

Quote: 21113890

forced on the card to say what the regiment was on camera

Translate.

[Combitor]

Maybe I'm a little naive, but any technique has serial numbers. The BMD must have body and engine numbers. As well as the weapons that were (?) With these paratroopers. Why doesn't our Ministry of Defense ask their Ukrainian "colleagues" to present these numbers? And there is already a matter of technology, or rather, the office. We open statements, magazines and compare.

[samoletil18]

Quote: Kombitor

. We open sheets, magazines and verify.

As a former clerk, I support.

[max702]

Ndaa a veil of muttering nothing ... Hint that the soldiers were abducted? Well, maybe. But what the hell is there that on the border with the ruin is a mess? For six months your mother has been at war, and the services that should be responsible for the order at the state border do not do anything! We were surprised that our settlements were being fired, dill armored vehicles darted there, hundreds of units shied away either captive or somewhere else, there was no need to talk about airspace violations! What do people responsible for border protection do? This is not kaklam need to dig a ditch and strengthen the border and us! So that these sv.lochki did not crawl here and our Mirnyak did not crush! What is it that turns out to be captured in OUR territory by the Airborne Forces unit and delivered to dill, and what then can be done with the civilian population? On the face of criminal negligence and sloppiness !!! The border of the castle .. Yeah right now ...

[Lukerya Weaver]

We have no real border with Ukraine. There are customs checkpoints at certain distances and that’s it. For the most part, the border is not even marked. Ours now drove some parts. who patrol the border. Actually, when there was a howl in the British media, about the column of armored vehicles that entered Ukraine, which they did not find there, the correspondents saw such a patrol. Local residents rummage around here in the fields without any fear.

[Evgeniy1]

Not to Ukraine, but to URAINE - is it strange?

[Evrepid]

there are no borders with other states and never has been.
Anyone who rides on a Moscow-Rostov train can see for himself, the fields on the left are the fields on the right and the ground is black on one side on the other hand, and in some places ... Chertkovo, for example, on the right there is a hohlyand on the left of the Russian Federation and both they wander through the railway whenever they want ... who works in the Russian Federation and lives in the Ukrainian half of the village, some who shop, and some who relate to relatives ...
Yes, and it will always be there ... but they will build a border, holes will make and will walk.

It surprises me more:
- paratroopers, they did not study the orientation on the ground?
- did not find where the column went from which they lagged behind? What is it like? brdm tanks began to fly? where did the tracks go?
- dust from the dirt road where did it go?
- didn’t anyone have a watch?
- Okay, identity documents, but why the heck is the verification log of the unit?
etc.

[lukewarm]

Moreover! In connection with this situation, they remembered the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier, which had gotten lost in the Rostov region and had not given up until it shot the entire ammunition. In general, a strange war with a strange former fraternal people. Neither war nor peace. One mess.

[aleks 62]

And this is about what the "brotherly" people are doing (repost):
A militiaman from the Motorola detachment said that on August 12 he was wounded in Miusinsk with a shot from an infantry fighting vehicle and was wounded in the legs and arm. Vodyaniy lost consciousness, and, waking up, was captured by the Ukrainian military.

- One of the paramedics wanted to pull out the tendons from my wound to find out all the information about our squad. After beating, they tied me to a tree during a mortar attack. For an hour, shells flew over me, ”Vodyanoy said.

According to the militia, an hour later scouts from the regular army of Ukraine came for him, whose paramedic had bandaged Vodyany’s wounds for two days. Subsequently, he was put in a BMP and taken to the steppe. The soldier said that the security forces of "some brigade" pulled him out of the combat vehicle and again began to torture him.

In particular, he was forced to sing the anthem of Ukraine, which Vodyanoy does not know. The punishers also suggested tying the militia to an infantry fighting vehicle for fun. On August 19, scouts from the regular army came for the fighter and put him in a pit, where two deputies from Makeyevka and their driver also sat.

- One of the invaders suggested putting on bulletproof vests and starting to shoot to check if they could withstand, but did not. However, they simply didn’t let me go, they beat me on the head with a metal rod, and then they poured salt over the wound, ”Vodyanoy said.

On the same day, the militia and three prisoners were taken to a checkpoint and released. The fighter also said that the deputies carried him on a blanket, because after the wound he himself was not able to move. A day later, they reached Anthracite of the Luhansk region, where an operation was performed at Vodyanoy hospital.

[vova1973]

The crew of the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier was already in battles. And our figs knows him, maybe they were not yet ready to really shoot.

[sledge]

A lot is not clear, a lot of doubtful. One thing is certainly clear - there was a heinous provocation of the ukronazists.

[combat64]

Somehow everything is muddy and not entirely clear. More like a delirium of a sick person ...

[erased]

Blah blah. Blah blah. Blah blah ...
One chatter and piss.
Those who have accurate reliable information are silent, because. The rest tryndyat. On TV, in newspapers, on the net. Oh, also in the kitchen.
For reliable information you need:
1. Surely know where the personnel of units and divisions of the airborne forces.
2. Have accurate data on the wounded and dead over the past 6 months from the Airborne Forces.
3. Have the results of the autopsy of the dead (if there are dead and autopsies were performed).

Now who can what:
1. Relatives of the military, reinforced by lawyers.
2. Public organizations endowed with such rights.

What you need:
1. Desire and determination to find out the truth.
2. Support is legal, moral, legal.

And note, all this in an incomprehensible and strange fuss against officials from the Moscow Region and the authorities. Insanity, right? And even greater insanity to send conscripts outside the Russian Federation. There should be only contractors! Moreover, these are real, but fake, by force recruited from conscripts.
I really do not like this situation. The authorities, as always, are trying to do the job with the hands of the boys, her toad strangling the organization of normal PMCs and paying properly. Or pay normally to the contractors so that they all quietly do.
All this greatly lubricates the generally positive impression of the activities of the upper classes in recent months. As always, the people turn out to be a bargaining chip, and a source of replenishment of the bursting budget.
This is Russia, pay, gaspada !!!

[Lukerya Weaver]

The law on the organization of PMCs has already been submitted to the Duma. The Duma will consider it as soon as it returns from the holidays. So not everything is so running.

[korjik]

And you believe that. that this law will be adopted? Funny. Kvachkova was planted for a crossbow and a half bucket of cartridges.

[andrew42]

Well, yes, somehow everyone with this Ukraine forgot about the important question: what friends and colleagues of the unsinkable Chubais rule in Russia.

[korjik]

It is clear that it is difficult to combine the struggle against fascism and the redistribution of property, I hardly understand those who die for the interests of the monetary aces of both parties.

[lukewarm]

Aren't you echoing? Rain? RBC Prokherovsky? Abstracts look theirs. Such impressions are because the tops are heterogeneous. Some are trying to do something good, another clan working in the US is stopping them, substituting. Who are you with? Although the question is rhetorical. Perhaps the forum is confused. Echo you. In the meantime, minus. Objective and impartial you are ours.

[Ryndabul]

And you do not admit what exactly with the aim of forcing think so and say so The population of Russia was committed this provocation? Shouldn't you wait with hasty conclusions? Surely, the commission investigating the incident is working, there will be its conclusions. Based on realities.

[hoard]

Quote: erased

I really do not like this situation. The authorities, as always, are trying to do the job with the hands of the boys, her toad strangling the organization of normal PMCs and paying properly.

Here, I completely agree with you. They crushed money for mercenaries and PMCs, and did not come up with anything better than sending boys. Predictable outcome - screwed up. And, meanwhile, the use of the armed forces of the Russian Federation is clearly regulated by the laws of the Russian Federation. There is a gross violation of these laws. There should be an investigation, trial and punishment of those responsible. And an undeclared war should be waged by other resources.

[Tanechka-clever]

Correct article ....
"as?" and "for what specific purpose?"

I agree with the author that the abduction could be related not only to the Ukrainian junta, but also to those who manage them and oversee military operations in the Donbass.

Of course, there were several goals, as with Boeing. The nearest thing is to give Poroshenko a "trump card" in negotiations with Putin, but the "trump card" did not play its key role, which was expected.

The next and long-lasting, it was to exert psychological pressure on the paratrooper mothers and the Russian public through pro-American media such as RBC and others.
Mothers as a mother - I not only understand, but also sympathize ...
BUT .... but .... I want therefore, first of all, to remind, this is the most corrupt media in Russia.
A military officer and contractor are Russian citizens who have entered military service in order to fulfill any order with weapons in their hands anywhere in the world, which means that paratroopers simply have to be ready to any situation.
Therefore, the situation in which the paratroopers found themselves was predictable by virtue of professions.
The paratroopers' mothers and the "mothers committee" had to assume that their sons did not take military weapons to work as "shuttles" or sit in offices - a dangerous profession and should TALK sons before the signing of the contract, and the media are sticking their "nose" into a bad situation, discrediting themselves as "accomplices" and provocateurs of our enemies who operate on Russian territory "undercover" with obvious goals.
Unfortunately, men have many dangerous professions that risk their lives every day. They die every day, honestly doing their duty. Today, working as a journalist in Ukraine is also dangerous - but they are going there again and again.
And those journalists who are playing along with this situation to the special services of the United States and Ukraine have no place in Russia - their place is next to Makarevich in the "garbage dump".
What time did these zhurnalyugi evaluate their betrayal and meanness ... ... playing on the mountain of mothers ...

[hoard]

Quote: Tanya-umunechka

through pro-American media like RBC and others

It is not true. The controlling stake in RBC OJSC (57,05%) through the Cyprus company Pragla Limited is controlled by the Onexim group of Mikhail Prokhorov. Need to talk about Prokhorov? Or are you all who are not for power - for amers ?!

Quote: Tanya-umunechka

A military officer and contractor are Russian citizens who have entered military service in order to fulfill any order with weapons in their hands anywhere in the world, which means that paratroopers are simply obliged to be ready for any situation.

Don't juggle. The use of the armed forces of the Russian Federation is clearly regulated by the laws of the Russian Federation. What "any" orders and "any" situations ?! Are you for legal chaos ?!

[Styx]

So there is something with Prokhorov, I love, you know, to listen to fairy tales :) and a miracle will happen and I will believe;)

[fess]

Quote: shershen

Oh, nonsense, ours couldn’t go so childishly.

It seems to me that the error really came out. Could call in Ukraine. It is possible they were not captured 20 km. from the border, but much earlier ...

[Ryndabul]

Too many absurdities for chance ....

[Liasenski]

I want to add my own fake (I warn you in advance). Paratroopers these Ukrainian actors playing the role of Russian paratroopers. The Russian side recognized them as their own for one purpose, in order to look at the reaction of the Ukrainian side and try to get these actors themselves and so on ...
You can develop this topic indefinitely, including the fact that real paratroopers are either killed (God forbid), or abducted and closed somewhere, but to find similar actors, and even smear the faces, is a matter of technology.

[bmv04636]

The reason for the second Lebanese company was the shelling of Israeli territory and the capture of two soldiers.
The shelling of our territory went on continuously, while one civilian was killed, and now the capture and retention of our (mountain of paratroopers) military, is there any reason to start a company against Kiev if they do not release them in the near future.

[ELECTRON]

And gentlemen, do not you think that this is only an open pretext in order to conduct a covert operation ????

[hohryakov066]

Personally, I think that there is absolutely no shadow meaning in this story. Otherwise, the GDP would have known and prepared in advance the answers to the howl of Ukrainian and Western officials. Most likely there was a complete absence of any presence of elementary military order in the units. The situation on the border is known. How could fighters from different units stagger there? Yes, even allowing themselves to catch? Did they get a company there? Or one at a time? If this group really performed a task in the border area, then why would the command learn about their disappearance from ukrov? It seems that if it really were a group (even a consolidated one), then they simply could not be so mediocre. Already minimal planning and provision of such an operation would be carried out.

[3vs]

It seems that the boys were used in the dark.

[mackonya]

It is clear that it is a provocation, but now it is necessary to identify what level of provocation and what level the "officials" are responsible for. But I can't believe that the servicemen could get lost, although of course the border is "demarcated" in that area, but nobody canceled the topology from the combined-arms courses, so .....

[BMVIK]

Quote: erased

And even greater insanity to send conscripts outside the Russian Federation.

Where did you see conscripts there?

[Nyrobsky]

Whatever one may say - but the fact that the SBU has our fighters is extremely unpleasant. I hope that "alaverdi" from our side will not be long in coming.

[Vkill]

And the servicemen themselves looked as if they were not airborne soldiers, but schoolchildren whom the director caught with cigarettes around the corner ... Confused people who carried out the order to conduct combat operations look, to put it mildly, strange, especially considering that they are airborne troops !

I wrote about this yesterday or the day before yesterday! )))

[dmb]

Our "analysts" love to fit any facts into their own "Wishlist". Well, let's analyze it from the other side. Not so long ago, all our media, choking with delight, reported about another "wise" decision of the Council of the Fed, canceling its no less "wise" decision about the possibility of bringing troops to Ukraine and withdrawing these troops to places of permanent deployment. And here on you, the Kostroma paratroopers are patrolling the border with Ukraine. This does not fit in with the previous jubilation, because Kostroma, as you know even from the school geography course, does not border on Ukraine. It is possible to assume that they got there, as the DPR representative said during his vacation, but it is difficult. To do this, it must be admitted that along with painted tanks and "scientific" companies, the new minister introduced another innovation, a vacation trip on state-owned armored vehicles. However, even if this is true, the minister adopted the experience of his predecessor Pasha Grachev, who, I remember, said the same thing about the crews of tanks knocked out in Grozny in the summer of 1994. S ... ka. The version of the capture of an armed unit and armored vehicles by villains on their own territory speaks of the extremely rich imagination of its authors. Then, at the same time, it is worth recognizing that we do not have an army as such, and all citizens screaming about its revival are either d ... ki, or scoundrels. the same idea comes in the event that a unit accidentally wandered into foreign territory, because this fact means that the combat group was sent without a map and a compass, not to mention the satellite gadgets widely advertised by the Ivanovorogozins. By the way, why if there are border guards, who, in addition to dogs and outposts, also have mangroups, consolidated reinforcement units and a bunch of armored vehicles, paratroopers also ride along the border. Well, and lastly, Bandera's bastards and slanderers, but something I have not heard from the numerous defense press releases of official statements about the capture of the paratroopers. It is even more incomprehensible why Mr. Volodin turns to KSM for clarification, and not to them. He, then, does not believe his fellow pen?

[Lenivets]

And if the brain is turned on? There is a war on the adjacent territory, a large part of the ruin army is concentrated there, shelling of the border villages is underway, periodically armed groups cross the border - your actions? Can it reinforce the border with regular parts? ;-)

[nerd.su]

Quote: Lenivets

Can it reinforce the border with regular parts? ;-)

For starters, can demarcate, set an alarm, wire fences, organize a control and track strip? Or, at worst, more often put poles and barriers with posts on all roads, even on the most unpretentious ones, such as a rutted track? That's what I don’t understand.

[Lenivets]

All this will take a lot of time and will not help in the event of an armed conflict. Now there is a struggle for the outskirts, or at least for a large part of the outskirts, and this is a very very good time to isolate oneself from it. Do you propose to merge New Russia?

[nerd.su]

Yes, it will take a little time. But it will exclude cases of "lost".
What kind of armed conflict? If Ukraine attacks us, then only to capitulate. If we keep our liberal column in check.
Why merge? If sections of an unmarked border are needed to help New Russia, the appearance of our military and civilians in these areas who are not familiar with this area should be excluded.
Although, I understand that "getting lost" can be just an excuse. Then you need to carefully prepare and draw conclusions from what happened. Although no one will tell us about such things

[dmb]

Well, let's try to turn it on. The border regime provides for the participation of the armed forces in the operations of the border troops, but then why did you have to indulge in their withdrawal? The same regime and international agreements provide for the presence in the border strip of only a certain number of aircraft. If we did not violate them, then again, why are you joking about the withdrawal of troops? Do we have paratroopers closer to Vologda than Rostov? By the way, all your pathetics in no way explains the surrender of the military unit in captivity on its own territory, and the absence of the military unit performing the combat mission of communications and orientation equipment. Now try turning it on, it may work.

[Lenivets]

Where does the infa about surrender on its territory come from? Where does the info about the combat mission come from? Balabolili about the withdrawal of troops not for you, but for those who are abroad (do not take everything that is stated literally ;-)). There are paratroopers from different parts (both those closer and those further away).

[dmb]

Before commenting on something, you should read the article. (This is about our territory) When the commentators on the site are sick, this is not important for whom they are doing, when the leaders of the country are sick, it is somewhat different. Moreover, they are balabolit not in the western and in our media. So this is kind to you. From different parts in one group. as a rule, there are volunteers who have been assigned a specific task associated not only with risk, but also with not entirely legal activity. So apparently not included.

[Lenivets]

So you, you included ours, think that the country's leadership as a pioneer should always tell the truth to everyone? Such a country will not last long. ;-)
Further, I do not consider this article the ultimate truth. Where are the links about the territory and the combat mission from the participants or witnesses, but at least from someone who knows, and doesn’t guess on the coffee grounds. So apparently not included.

[dmb]

Yes, I don’t think so, but international law, which is implemented until they have withdrawn from a treaty. Don't like the international treaty? Get out of it and drive as you wish, or as you are allowed to. And then you and others like you brand (and rightly) the United States, and immediately justify any meanness and stupidity of your own power, even if this meanness and stupidity is done not in the interests of the supposedly country, but in the interests of a small bunch of villains. In the second part of your opus, I can only recommend it again. re-read the article and my first comment on it. It’s not worthwhile to ascribe to a person what he did not say, even if you do not agree with him. Learn to lead the discussion culturally.

[Lenivets]

On the first point, I will not even answer this naive, uncomplicated view of politics and government, it’s just a masterpiece! According to the latter: what is uncivilization? In your quote at the end?

[Evgeniy1]

I would like to say not in essence, but in form. Why the SBU is torturing and humiliating RUSSIAN citizens, this is what s experience in Guantamo. Why so far none of the officials has made a STATEMENT on the inadmissibility of such actions, on the PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY of nalyvaychenko and Avakov for these CRIMINAL deeds. MEN You can imagine what would have started in AI now if you had shown battered, humiliated marines i.e. open mockery of US CITIZENS !, and followed as a mini-tactical military operation, ... bombers ...
Russia SHOULD PROTECT ITS CITIZENS!
All caught fanatics and executioners of the SBU, and there are a lot of them on the territory of Russia and Novorossiya - "TO THE NAIL"!
Enough to chew snot!

[pascal309]

That provocation is stopudovo. It happened to the Minsk meeting once. Second, they went on a mission with a full package of documents; they would have shown medical insurance. Third, one of the paratroopers has a thick iron chain, which is according to the charter. Fourth, it was painfully they all sang together for peace in Ukraine, the lack of law-enforcement agencies, the fact that Russia is participating in the war, etc. Fifth, they look extremely bewildered, they were not ready for this performance, this explains different clothes and all the rest. Looks like they were really kidnapped. They were in the excitement, maybe they drank, or someone gave them a drink, and then they transported them warm to Ukraine. Hence the confusion of the Russian Defense Ministry. Yes, it’s like ours, but nobody knows how they got there. In general, a very good planned action, SBU + CIA.

[Russ69]

Quote: pascal309

Hence the confusion of the Russian Defense Ministry.

The confusion can be several hours, until they report, until they clarify, until they make a decision. But why the hell did the MO and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs pretend that nothing had happened for several days now.
How people were captured, it is necessary then to understand, but first pull out. Now, it seems that everyone just does not care about people ...

[baki]

Guys, well, what can you say about these articles here, this is purely your opinion, because there is an option, the reality of those events about which they are told in them.

http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/65022.html
http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/65017.html

[over]

Friends, sorry for the harshness, but just boiling up. It smells of our gouging again.
I am not saying anything, because I know no more than the rest of ordinary Russians.
However, I think that 100% of our military operate in the Donbass.
For almost 4 months, the militia only defended themselves and then suddenly went on the offensive. Why would you? So we help. This is certainly good. But I don’t understand why we went south? Why didn’t they push the junta away from Lugansk and Donetsk in the first place? Why are people still dying under shelling? They do not write on this site, but RBC is full of messages about the death of our paratroopers. In particular, human rights activists under the president claim more than 100 soldiers were killed. Recently, a funeral in Pskov took place. Also, they say that in reality the column of our equipment was covered with dill by hail, as the gunpowder shouted recently. Hence, 100 cargo 200. Relatives in shock. They don’t know where their children are. I don’t know how everything happens, but I’m 100% sure that our soldiers should be in the Donbas only voluntarily in such a hybrid war. And how did our paratroopers get caught ?? Why weren’t they recaptured? Where are these praised Warrior costumes with tablets and other sweets? Where are alligators and night hunters? At the base in Torzhok? After all, a flight time of 20 km is a matter of minutes. They could cover dill and pick up our guys, and burn the equipment. All the same, they will not return it to us. After all, everyone understands that they are invading another state. Therefore, one must act to the end. And we, damn it, are watching YouTube, where our fighters mumble some nonsense. From shame for them, I want to fall through the ground. It's a shame what happens as always ..

[Serrrrgo]

Well, in my opinion, it’s absolutely clear that these specifically 10 paratroopers were there by chance, or they got lost, or in an AWOL, but it’s for sure not to go to war like that.

[foreman11]

HZ still in Abkhazia there were 2 troubles, communication and orientation on the ground - nothing has changed in 6 years = (, well, I hope the shoigu will nevertheless put it in order ....

[vova1973]

Yes, in my opinion it was always a disaster for SA and RA

[lelyk72]

In my opinion, this is the most sober theory that most fully explains everything, more or less similar to the facts.

[S. TALIN]

As a border guard, I have a question ...
What are the paratroopers doing on the border strip ?!
Spent 8 months at the border ...
Within a radius of 5 km., Not that the paratroopers, there was no living soul ...

[Lenivets]

I repeat again: And if the brain is turned on? There is a war on the adjacent territory, a large part of the ruin army is concentrated there, shelling of the border villages is underway, periodically armed groups cross the border - your actions? Can it reinforce the border with regular parts? ;-)

[boomerang.]

and on the VK page “News from the militia of Novorossiya” a material appeared entitled “Bandera’s adopt Hamas tactics”. In the material, the author argues that the abduction of Russian troops in the border zone could have taken place.

This is more like the truth. They stole on the territory of Russia, just on the eve of the meeting in Minsk, and provided all this as an abduction on the territory of New Russia.
This is in the spirit of Bandera.

[xomaNN]

Very muddy in this story Even if this is the "puncture" of the Airborne Forces, where there is a powerful response wave in the media, up to Shamanov. Silence grew. the military is not into the hands of the Russian Federation

[komrad.klim]

repost

Quote: komrad.klim

Here, a carefully planned SBU capture of members of the RF Armed Forces at the border takes place. For experienced operatives, such a seizure with some training will not be difficult. In general, similar actions in the history of wars have been carried out more than once. To carry out the seizure, it is enough to study the materials of our own intelligence, and targeted actions to carry out the action (introducing agents into the enemy’s camp, bribing, obtaining information about deployment, movement, etc.)

[Svarog75]

And why dill do not return "paratroopers" ours demanded to return them if they are ours. and maybe there is no one to return? Why did Russia easily agree that these were our paratroopers and demanded to return them home, they say, your soldiers cross the border of the Russian Federation, they are returned home and no one is satisfied, you are fuming about this and you will return them home and we will figure out what kind of paratroopers they are parts. only now it seems to me that they will not return the "paratroopers" home because there is no one to return.

[komrad.klim]

Quote: xomaNN

Very muddy in this story Even if this is the "puncture" of the Airborne Forces, where there is a powerful response wave in the media, up to Shamanov. Silence grew. the military is not into the hands of the Russian Federation

right on hand.
silence is the lack of interest and importance of the incident.
It is necessary to play along with the kaklam of the SBU, such as lost.
Do not hoarse that the SBU stole a soldier of the Russian Federation.

[Serrrrgo]

Dorenko had a version on the radio that the guys just decided at night to drive them around for women, to drink gorilochki and so on. Well, and unexpectedly ran into the SBU, apparently someone passed. Therefore, they took them so easily that they went as if on vacation

[Lenivets]

But the grandmother at the next entrance yesterday said that they were going to the museum ....

[wanderer_032]

Here I look at the photo of our brave warrior and some facts immediately catch my eye.
The uniform on it is not worn (which is issued), it is not even an army-style mask-dressing gown. This is a hunting suit that I can buy in any market for 850-900 rubles. From exactly the same fabric and with the same colors.
Further. Bertsa are also not authorized (which issue), but purchased. Machine. The burnishing has already been erased from time to time so that the weapon already looks nickel-plated and glistens in the sun, and this despite the fact that the photo hints that this person. supposedly a scout. I strongly doubt that even now he is being brought to such an ugly state. The last time I saw a weapon in this state during the general gouging in the 90s. The helmet cover is also in a wretched form, unloading is also far from new and is going through hard times.
If this is a reconnaissance fighter, then no words ...
I will add that the aircraft on the background of which it stands is rubbish that can hardly rise into the air without overhaul. And what is also remarkable are attack aircraft and "crocodiles" based on the same airfield. Rather like a museum.

[Haye]

I will add that the aircraft on the background of which it stands is rubbish that can hardly rise into the air without overhaul. And what is also remarkable are attack aircraft and "crocodiles" based on the same airfield. Rather like a museum.

also drew attention

The uniform on it is not worn (which is issued), it is not even an army-style mask-dressing gown. This is a hunting suit that I can buy in any market for 850-900 rubles. From exactly the same fabric and with the same colors.
Further. Bertsa are also not authorized (which issue), but purchased. Machine. The burnishing has already been erased from time to time so that the weapon already looks nickel-plated and glistens in the sun, and this despite the fact that the photo hints that this person. supposedly a scout.

maybe this person airsoft player?

[free]

what doesn’t fit into the framework in any way is the presence of documents, tokens, and even more so an evening check journal? They were either stolen, but somehow too easy?! or they surrendered their jackals !?

[Valerik]

There is betrayal and jackals missing and fraud.
But we are not children.
It is necessary to analyze every fact, every evidence, to compare and most importantly think and think.
I am new here, but I am happy that most of the residents of this site are smart, adequate and competent people.
On the occasion of the Nut Savior holiday, you are my friends.

[Styx]

I support every word!

[olegkrava]

Quote: kenig1

What do you read as a mantra: ours could not, ours could not. Ever since the days of the USSR, a joke-joke went on in the Soviet army: The military got a map, now they will ask the local population for directions. We are all human and are mistaken.

Yes, if instead of a card a pack is from under Belomor.

[RSU]

Welcome to objective reality! Here we have such an army in fact, and not virtual thousands of samples of new weapons, controlled by supermen! And people surrender and want to live, and the technique is old shit, and we use the landing again as infantry, because there is no one else to send.

[Lenivets]

How would you put it mildly, my friend ... "you should write books (romantic)"

[belovur]

Most likely, they were sent to help the militias. Hence the painted numbers on the technique and passports on hand. We traveled alone, because it’s impossible to move in a column, do not forget about Ov’s satellites over Ukraine. But I hope that the rest got without incident and are now doing the thing for which they were sent!

[Lenivets]

Do you seriously think that militias are sent with passports to help (unofficial)?

[89273392654]

Yes, they didn’t send anyone there, if they were sent to Russia, everyone would have known for a long time, via word of mouth)))) there are no our troops there

[Yuriy666]

There are no troops, but are there prisoners and dead?

[nik-karata]

Well done, Volodin! And the articles are good, and the opinions, and the arguments!!! ...and the evidence is complete ass!!! It’s really strange how the Russian landing party with documents, and Ukropov????? Complete absurdity!

[Lyton]

I also don’t quite understand about weapons, that now they don’t write the number of a machine gun on a military ID, about passports, why they had them with them, in short, the truth is somewhere nearby, but we don’t know it yet.

[Kozma minin]

Everything has been sucked out of the little fingers of the American advisers! Those who served in the SA know how the outfit was instructed, and documents, badges, and notebooks were confiscated before returning. I noted a lot of things as phony and lies of the United assholes!!!

[Flatter]

They assembled a platoon of brave warriors from various units. They sat down on the BMD and began to drive around the surrounding area, demonstrating to each other their capabilities, probably in terms of driving. They got carried away to the point that they got lost, confused and ended up in a situation. And then there were options.

[Reasonable]

Let's look at who benefits from this - the enemies of Novorossiya.
This event could either be bought or staged. Negligence is in question.
Obviously, without the participation (or inaction) of their leadership, this would not have happened.
Another Boying, since the previous one didn’t work.

[Lenivets]

Dig deeper. It's an intergalactic conspiracy!

[ViRUS-007]

I do not even know...

[wanderer_032]

Quote: ViRUS-007

I do not even know...

This video is clearly fake. The documents were not shown, close-up and legible.
Flora clumps have not been issued in our army for a long time, probably about three years ago.
And the “birch” is generally an antique. In general, everything is in the spirit of the junta-NATO production.
They would also dress these so-called Russian warriors in a “gusyovka” and give them overcoats, caps and tarpaulins. Then it would be a complete mess.
I remember Hollywood films of the 90s where Americans sewed “Soviet” uniforms for filming. This video is from the same opera.

[ViRUS-007]

Somehow I didn’t want to believe it, I hope you’re right! After 10 prisoners, who are still so “willing” to communicate.
By the way, today they showed a “conversation” with them in the rain, so one asked where to go next, to the unit? He stated that he (they) no longer wanted to join the unit, and in general, after all “this”, he (they) did not want to serve. And if they were immediately told where they would go for “training”, then, in his opinion, 90% would quit...
These are the cakes ...

Here is the link

http://tvrain.ru/articles/my_v_chasti_ne_vernemsja_intervju_s_zaderzhannymi_kost

romskimi_desantnikami_fragment-374747/

[Lenivets]

Listen less to Bandera’s media (I’m talking about “rain”). The cat was crying for real information, but the wagons were full of misinformation.

[merka039]

bullshit, some kind of landing on the border without border guards, he himself served in the PV, they gave in to the infantry, so in each group of soldiers there was one of our outfits

[avia12005]

These are not our paratroopers. Our people would not have given up. It's good to suffer from foolishness, comrade officers...

[Lenivets]

Would they all have been blown up by a grenade? People and situations are different.

[Consmo]

Some miracles.
I remember in SA. In the evening, when checked, one weirdo was missing from the ranks. They raised the battalion and in the evening, in the dark, they went to comb the forest in a snowstorm. Just a moment, it was a STROYBAT. A person could fall somewhere, slip, break a leg and lie in the cold. They didn’t abandon their own. Another story is that a few days later he ended up in Moscow, he went crazy about the topic of love, he went to a friend’s wedding to sort things out. Then I got my 2 years.
So, how the fathers, the commanders, explained the absence of their subordinates. At 22:10 p.m. information should be at the top that people are not in the ranks.
And they also say that this unit only has BMD-4 in service.
There are no old two-room apartments.
??
There's something wrong with this soup.

[ussr1960]

Yes, there is a lot there that doesn’t fit into any goal and the ends don’t meet. If anyone looked at photographs on the Internet from the place of arrest, where their documents were posted. So the first question is - since when have we served with civilian passports in their hands?! Have you run out of paper for military ID cards in the Moscow Region?

[Lenivets]

The BMD-4 (or more precisely, the BMD-4M) had not yet been launched into production, so they could not have been in this part.

[Front Night]

Well, that’s right) let them sit in Kyiv prisons!!! they will know how to hang around for vodka when the war is going on and they set up the country and they themselves will get their p...s and there is no rest for mothers

[Singularist]

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Putin have already admitted that the fighters got lost, did not see the unmarked border and entered the territory of Ukraine by accident. It is correctly written in the article that the kakly will try to use this situation as informationally as possible.

[MaKeNa]

Guys, no need for snot. Is this LANDING?? Is this GUARDS???? In front of everyone, they “got lost” “it happens” - they hit them in the face twice, and that’s it, they floated away. And these are contract soldiers, not green conscripts! And they hand over everyone with their giblets. With all the "understandings" - this is not the Airborne Forces!!!!! This sucks!!!!

[Cenij150814]

Quote: MaKeNa

Guys, no need for snot. Is this LANDING?? Is this GUARDS???? In front of everyone, they “got lost” “it happens” - they hit them in the face twice, and that’s it, they floated away. And these are contract soldiers, not green conscripts! And they hand over everyone with their giblets. With all the "understandings" - this is not the Airborne Forces!!!!! This sucks!!!!

There is no need to have any illusions, the same people serve in the Airborne Forces, I’ll tell you a secret, they are not tested with a polygraph, and the psychological portrait is content with a questionnaire on a piece of paper, what am I talking about, the fact that there are cowards there and they may not even think about it!

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Cenij150814

There is no need to have any illusions, the same people serve in the Airborne Forces, I’ll tell you a secret, they are not tested with a polygraph, and the psychological portrait is content with a questionnaire on a piece of paper, what am I talking about, the fact that there are cowards there and they may not even think about it!

Absolutely right. This is what it looks like.

[Drunya]

I already posted a video from the enemy but you don't
look, why? and at the end he says BLOO-DI-FOX. It was then that they probably started to inflate the situation, as they say (from a rotten sheep there’s even a tuft of wool)
it was 26/08/2014 morning.
Don't underestimate the enemy. They probably created a special unit for these actions. the group that "hunted"
I don’t blame the guys themselves, but once again I say to the commanders, they need to explain the party’s policy and harder .

[Serg7281]

The story is too muddy to definitely come to any conclusion, and the information is like a cat crying. We must wait until these “warriors” are returned to their homeland.

[K-50]

I can imagine how now the staff, shut up, shut up, put the commander and those involved and those nearby in the pose of a drinking deer. Moreover, the district officers probably came to reinforce them. The boys will still be pulled out, IMHO. They will abruptly say goodbye to contract soldiers and this is the best thing for them, but commanders will retire without length of service or be demoted to Wrangel Island or Chukotka or somewhere else, you never know we have quiet garrisons
Well, a quiet hunt will begin for the Urkovites or the SBU, people will go mushroom hunting and accidentally grab someone on “our” territory. But no one will make any noise, for the time being. Or maybe fellow soldiers will take revenge on the lessons, the DRG will run through for training, only they are already normal specialists, and not the same ones, they will grab someone by the “tomatoes” and hide it, or maybe they will bury it. The fellow soldiers of these guys are now very angry, and it serves them right, so that they know how they compete with Russian soldiers.

[Sergey-8848]

In another thread I asked a question - we will deal with gas, but this is for a high-power, high-power, etc. Empire (let them be heated than want). We're already on them. For the entire cash-strapped Empire at once.
But - How will we deal with heating for those who are no longer Ukraine, but not yet a subject of relations for the Almighty Gazprom!? Probably, ordinary Russians will pay for everything again, as was the case in the previous failures of the great LLC? We are not all shareholders of this magical company!

[Lenivets]

As an honest taxpayer, do you feel sorry for the people of Novorossiya being destroyed, but do you feel even more sorry for your money?

[Karevik]

Unfortunately, this story specifically speaks about the level of training of our contract soldiers and the attitude of some gentlemen officers to their duties. They feel like gentlemen when they receive steep salaries, but they don’t want to be commanders, there’s no time. We need to think about where to spend the money. I'm actually amazed at what happened! And this is a clear example of impunity. In Soviet times, the stars would fly and the penalties would end. Pniya, so that others would be disgraced... And now they will scold you and that will be the end of it. A SHAME!

[Lenivets]

You have a mythical opinion about Soviet times. Such situations ALWAYS happen and with ALL armies in the world.

[scary]

our paratroopers. stupid setup of dill. they went once again to pick up seriously wounded ukrov. they begged. they did this more than once. that’s the result.. now wherever they want, they stick their wounded there. that’s it.

[ussr1960]

Do not rush to draw conclusions; if the issue of returning the “lost paratroopers” is decided at the presidential level, then not everything is so simple.

[Novik]

Hello!
In my opinion, “kungurov” (a) has the right comments (full of bile and poison).
http://kungurov.livejournal.com/94480.html
"What should an interned Russian soldier do? State his name, rank, personal number and explain the circumstances under which he ended up on foreign territory. Dot, ! The Russian soldier will not have intimate conversations with the foreign intelligence officers who detained him, repent for the whole country and whine, nor will he participate in shameful press conferences." (c)
http://kungurov.livejournal.com/94480.html
Everything else written there is (in my opinion) irrelevant.
Few people (like kungurov) were present at the closed meeting.
An even smaller number is able to see, understand, make an analysis, make a decision (a decision made to the end is truly correct)
A person sees and hears in a very narrow range.
A person can only make a final conclusion if he has complete information.
It is very difficult for a colorblind person (with all due respect) to explain the colors of the rainbow (spectrum).
Or, as people say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHX7NZS8zAI
In my opinion, here, in Russia, in V.V. Putin, a wonderful team, the best of the best available in Russia, socialists, professionals in their field.
“Can you do even better?” - all doors are open to you.
I don’t believe in the predicted future; the road is born under the feet of the walker.
"The first paratrooper detained in Ukraine returned to Russia"
http://news.rambler.ru/26692537/

[89273392654]

If they had not said what was written to them, they would have simply been killed and no one would have guessed that they were in Ukraine, if they had not said what was written to them. And the fact that they were captured, it’s quite possible that foreign specialists were working, it seems to me that the Ukrainians couldn’t do it, they attacked unexpectedly from an ambush using special means, flash-noise grenades, stun guns, tear gas, perhaps even soporific (there is such a thing, even ours seems to have been used in NORD OSTE), maybe some other new development, you never know what these NATO members have.

[Novik]

P/s
I read it with interest, periodically, maybe they really thought of everything for us a long time ago (:))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcqXFBhKBpA
Some people drink, some eat fly agarics, some use other methods...
“I’m writing a big, important, serious post. Many friends and readers know that I know that they know that I know a lot of things that many will find out only after some time"(from).
http://artemdragunov.livejournal.com/3307573.html
http://artemdragunov.livejournal.com/3304914.html
http://artemdragunov.livejournal.com/3309765.html
etc.
... just funny.

[Novik]

...or maybe I'm just jealous

Blessed (Greek μακάριος[1][2], Latin beatus[2][3], lit. happy) is a special image of saints in Christianity, which has different meanings in different Christian churches. The future tense of the word happy, i.e. "will be happy a priori." Akin to old glory. blessed, from bliss - to call blessed (to make good, good) along with the original Russian bolog[4]. In a broad sense, blessed is anyone who sees God in heaven (beatific vision).

Basil the Blessed
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C2%E0%F1%E8%EB%E8%E9_%C1%EB%E0%E6%E5%ED%ED%FB%E9

[Novik]

Anyway, that's all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIX9DXUSf5Y
- freedom of choice.

[89273392654]

What’s interesting is that the sergeant turns out to be a squad leader in civilian life. They probably carried civilian clothes with them. Why did they change his clothes or maybe he changed his clothes himself? Some kind of strange people, either stoned or scared shitless. It’s clear what they read from a piece of paper. As for the BMD, there was no such thing. The Russian leadership said that such a model was not in service. This means the landings were on foot. This means there was a border detour. As for documents, maybe, of course, I don’t know, but all the groups that patrol the border carry documents with them in order to prove to their own that they are them, and not Ukrainian saboteurs.

[zvědavost]

Since the first paratrooper has already returned, something will come up from this story. If ours screwed up, then they won’t discuss it much in the press, but if there was a kidnapping, then they’ll make a lot of noise. My opinion is that if there had been a kidnapping, they would not have given up the paratroopers for anything. Why do they need publicity about practices that are incompatible with decency. No matter how officially our countries are not in a state of war.

[Yuriy666]

The pitiful attempts of Putin’s lackeys to deny the invasion of thousands of Russian regular troops into Ukraine no longer surprise or convince anyone! The secret funeral of just a few paratroopers killed in Ukraine has already stirred up Russians who have not been zombified by Kremlin propaganda! The experience of the USSR in Afghanistan taught the Kremlin KGB officer nothing! When the number of military deaths in Ukraine reaches tens and hundreds, Russia may finally wake up!

[ViRUS-007]

Unlike you, Yuri666 (not many sixes?), we are trying to figure out what happened, and we don’t blindly believe the box, and the media chatterboxes..., “helmets are fucked up...” and there are also all sorts of “maydowns”, you have a dime a dozen of them there ...
And Afghan, it’s not in vain that you remembered! Who, and with the help of whom, fought there, correctly pind.sotan through the local Mujahideen, sending them to slaughter... The same with you, only when you wake up it will be oh, how late...

[lonovila]

-They probably committed some kind of fine... and decided to run away to the dill... -Well... they ran away on an armored personnel carrier and took with them everything that came to hand... -They thought that the dill would meet them with open arms... -And the dill offered them “their own scenario” - the one that was more profitable for the dill... -And these “paratroopers” of ours (or whoever they are) simply have nowhere to go and have to do everything that the dill they will be told...
-That’s why our “high representatives” cannot say anything intelligible and “agree” to everything in order to quickly hush everything up...

[Novik]

There was a desire to add.
The main (in my opinion) problem is that we are forced, coerced, to play on someone else's territory.
Alien (other) universe (worldview), alien god(s), aliens (by treachery, force, fire and sword), imposed rules of the game.
Who else remembers and knows about “Buyan”, “Arkona”?

My soul cries: sad groans
And the pure tears of the Slavs,
And the ashes of the burnt Arkona.
And washed with blood Buyan ...
But memory is like a book:
Impressed in the heart of the heavy tread of steps.
Brings intrigue to the crusaders of legates
Only death, not new slaves.
Bonfire ritual light coals
A merciless fire will swallow you up.
On the ashes of Slavic preparing a feast
The cannibal king Valdemar.
Over the broken Oak he listens to slander,
Under the shadow of a spider cross
In snow-white cloaks, spattered with blood,
The arrogant servants of Christ.

The Danes of treacherous, pushing the cross,
The big-bellied monk mocks
Throwing unbaptized children into the fireplace,
Others who are disobedient are afraid.
Monks and dirty robes feast
The Baltic winds are blowing.
An ugly shadow of their vile dances
They lie down in the glow of the fire.
No scream, no moan, no words of mercy
Only enemies are drunken revelry.
Arkona destroyed - in white outfits
The people fell asleep for the last time...

But the invisible Arkona gives us its light,
And Buyan gives us strength!
And in the last battle he will defeat the Dragon
Sacred Faith of the Slavs!

http://slavyanin.org/node/347?url=http://slavyanin.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=5




“Russian paratroopers in Ukraine. Kyiv has inflated a big soap bubble and is afraid that it will burst” - “the tenth thing”
"thing ten"
- different, differ; it doesn’t matter, it’s not a problem from death, it doesn’t matter, it’s not a big deal, it’s not a problem, it’s not worth a damn, it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t mean anything, it doesn’t matter, spit and grind it.”
http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/dic_synonims/36039/дело

[Novik]

If you really look at it, we, Russia, have nothing of our own.
Alien (alien to us) religion, god(s), alien flag, symbols - everything is alien.

[Novik]

I lie, I deceived, there is a “rebellious spirit” that lives in each of us, - "wish".
Or, “you can fuck yourself here, without a pipe” (c) (anecdote).

[Novik]

The rebellious spirit of desire, of knowledge.
“If you have a desire, knowledge will come to you” (c)

[Novik]

I’ll write it “off-topic” and off-topic.
I don’t know how to convey the idea, translate it as it is.
The Russians have a phrase, “don’t wake him up while he’s quiet.”
This is not a threat, or even a promise.
To all enemies of Russia, there will be a “fat, northern fox” (scribe)

[Shtyn dwarf]

Quote: shershen

Oh, nonsense, ours couldn’t go so childishly.

Everything falls into place if we consider that the Russian Federation is not a completely sovereign country (since the 90s). This could not have happened in the USSR - but now it’s easy! In general, this is a planned action of the 5th column. Most likely, one of the high-ranking generals pulled it all off (children in London, he himself went over to the side of the enemy during the fall of the USSR in the 90s).
http://youtu.be/4osHGKamgXs?t=23m22s

[Shtyn dwarf]

Quote: shershen

Oh, nonsense, ours couldn’t go so childishly.

Everything falls into place if we consider that the Russian Federation is not a completely sovereign country (since the 90s). This could not have happened in the USSR - but now it’s easy! In general, this is a planned action of the 5th column. Most likely, one of the high-ranking generals pulled it all off (children in London, he himself went over to the side of the enemy during the fall of the USSR in the 90s).
http://youtu.be/4osHGKamgXs?t=23m22s

[Novik]

Without any options, there will be no “fall” of Russia, there will be a “fall” of the whole world.
Don’t delay, “the sleeping beast living inside us wakes up, greedily sniffing, scratching with its claws.”

[Novik]

Russian paratroopers detained in Ukraine returned home

All Russian paratroopers previously detained in Ukraine have returned to the Russian Federation, Deputy Commander of the Airborne Forces, Major General Alexei Ragozin, said on Sunday night.

http://ria.ru/world/20140831/1022118174.html

[Yankuz]

And these are Russian paratroopers???!!! Now we will know. Otherwise they thought that these were those who were nobody except us and were hitting the beer fountains with their faces...

[Evg_K]

It’s curious, why did some people decide that someone had screwed up and others like him? It's surprising that this is the first group that was taken. In theory, our reconnaissance should be carried out regularly. Deep too. You have to know: suddenly, across the border, most of which is not marked and not guarded, some armed crowd will spill out. And there will be no one opposite. Yes, to avoid questions about why with documents and so on. We have no hostilities with Ukraine. Therefore, so that the scouts are not killed on the spot, or some kind of dirty trick is carried out, or to reduce this likelihood as much as possible, you present documents that you are a Russian soldier, scream that you got lost, didn’t know anything, etc. You don’t even have to guess what happened to intelligence. Ukrainians themselves will show everything on TV.
Why don't the reconnaissance group...paratroopers patrol the border.

[cat wraparound]

Strange. Where are these “paratroopers” vests??? As far as I know, paratroopers with a vest and beret have a special spiritual connection... And if the absence of a beret can still be explained, then the absence of a vest cannot be!!!

[Aleksandr777]

They got lost, maybe they were following Google maps?

[Vadim12]

What kind of paratroopers are these!? This is b.m.o. , which is unworthy to wear a vest! The landing force is the 6th company of Pskov conscripts, and not these shitty, shaking animals!