Military experts praised the tactics of the army DNI

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During the 24 and 25 counter attacks in August the already united armed forces of the Donetsk People's Republic put three large groups of Ukrainian punishers into the ring. The DPR self-defense headquarters reported that more than seven thousand soldiers and 400 units of military equipment had been encircled. Correspondent LifeNews interviewed military analysts, asking for an assessment of the tactics of the defenders of Donbass.

Military experts praised the tactics of the army DNI


“As soon as it became possible to re-conduct the boiler - the third encirclement, it was immediately organized, immediately the fighting was directed in that direction. Parts of Ukrainian troops are now blocked near the city of Amvrosiyivka, south of Donetsk. According to the headquarters, more than 40 tanks, about 100 BMP, BTR and BMD units, about 50 Grad and Hurricane launchers, ”said military expert Alexei Ramm.

“The supply of encircled troops by air is problematic, since the militias of the South-East have a large number of MANPADS. Dropping from a height will lead to the fact that all these cargoes will also go to the militia, ”said Ivan Konovalov, expert of the Center for Strategic Conjuncture, stressing that law enforcement officers can only go for a breakthrough.

According to Ranma, it will be very difficult to escape from the boiler. To do this, you will need to constantly attack the positions of the militia, identifying the weakest directions. In addition, the militias themselves were surrounded, so they know how to prevent a successful enemy operation.

“At one time, the grouping of troops of Igor Strelkov came out of Slavyansk in a very beautiful way. I think this maneuver will be considered in the academies of the general staffs of armies of various countries. There was a breakthrough and a blow from a distracting group, ”noted Konovalov.

On August 24, representatives of the DPR army headquarters announced that two punitive groups were surrounded on their territory, including the headquarters of the 8 Army Corps, the 28 and 30 I mechanized brigades, the 95 I airmobile brigade, and the Shakhtersk battalions , "Aydar" and "Donbass". 25 in August in the ring in the area Stepanovka and Amvrosievka was the third group.
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  1. VICTOR-61
    +24
    26 August 2014 07: 03
    Well done militias beat the Nazis
    1. +10
      26 August 2014 07: 05
      Good morning, did you see the Doberman get away with it?
      1. -26
        26 August 2014 07: 09
        Here is the map, look at the state of affairs, changing the time (scale on the left) - "6 hours", "12 hours" ...
        You see what happened with the militia on the coast, they were almost surrounded by some of the fleeing APU ...
        But the campaign part of the militia broke away, I say part, because they probably died there a lot ...
        http://militarymaps.info/
        The movement directions of the units are changing rapidly, I don’t know where the archive is, and whether it exists at all, but the direction of the APU’s strike, trying to cut off the forward detachment of the DPR army along the coast towards Mariupol, is no longer there. request
        1. +4
          26 August 2014 07: 26
          But the campaign part of the militia broke away, I say part, because they probably died there a lot ...
          I would not draw many conclusions on the map alone. Although yes, the dash to Mariupol looks like an adventure, I hope they know better there.
          1. +1
            26 August 2014 09: 16
            Quote: Wellych
            But the campaign part of the militia broke away, I say part, because they probably died there a lot ...
            I would not draw many conclusions on the map alone. Although yes, the dash to Mariupol looks like an adventure, I hope they know better there.

            More like a fake by clicking on the location of the US Navy 6, the map shows the border between Lithuania and Belarus.
          2. 0
            26 August 2014 11: 40
            maybe a jerk to the Mariupol-distracting maneuver to fuck at Donetsk and Lugansk? Then everything is logical and correct.
        2. -13
          26 August 2014 07: 37
          Here on the air there is a lot of interesting things, here and there is a "review of the map of military operations", however, I do not agree with the conclusions of the "reviewer" - in my opinion, the facts that he mentions as a local are worthy of attention, on the basis of all this you can make your own conclusions.
          1. +10
            26 August 2014 07: 46
            Quote: mirag2
            in my opinion, the facts that he mentions as local are noteworthy, on the basis of all this you can draw your own conclusions.

            What are the facts? If you look at the Censor, then everything will disappear.
        3. +4
          26 August 2014 08: 11
          and who draws this map, updates it? It’s necessary to have full information from all military operations in all areas, and almost in real time, by cell phone, for example, with militia commanders and juntas at the same time. How is this possible?
        4. +1
          26 August 2014 08: 19
          Mirage, censor sensation?
          1. 0
            26 August 2014 09: 10
            What censor? -
            I don’t know whose card, honestly, but the alignment of forces on it corresponds to the card on "cassad", only in more detail, and it is by no means "surveyed" by dill, but in the stream on anti-Maidan.com
            I would clarify that it is from dill! - if that were so.
        5. 0
          26 August 2014 08: 21
          This card is drawn by everyone who is not lazy! laughing
        6. 0
          26 August 2014 10: 17
          http://giga.ua/%D0%B2-%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B5-%D0
          %BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5-%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%
          80%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%BE/
          judging by the given article, fire extermination of those who got into the boiler is underway, the rest are preparing to repel those who are going to break through the boiler from outside ... "" he emphasizes: "Is there any help? Of course. Together with the units of the 3rd Battalion of the National Guard "Donbass" and the 51st Volyn brigade, units from the Dnepropetrovsk region are concentrated near Ilovaisk. From the 39th and 40th battalions of the Territorial Defense, the 17th Tank and 93rd Mechanized Brigades. Dnepropetrovsk does not sleep. It should be noted that Kiev is showing a serious attitude to the situation. "
      2. Old Cynic
        +13
        26 August 2014 07: 15
        Good! hi
        They saw something, but it’s strange for me - two Georgians speak Russian to each other ... As if it were not a special throw. Disorientation. Like, everything is bad in the Armed Forces, everything is lost ... The enemy is not stupid, right?

        No matter how it turned out to be as fake as the death of this mongrel, whom we all recently enjoyed here.
        1. +3
          26 August 2014 07: 19
          And who is this Doberman, why is he drooling with saliva. I guess I missed something, was on vacation in the Crimea, it’s still bad with tyrnet.
          1. +2
            26 August 2014 08: 47
            Quote: Irkutsk
            And who is this Doberman, why is he drooling with saliva. I guess I missed something, was on vacation in the Crimea, it’s still bad with tyrnet.

            Tyrnet is no longer needed to communicate with the Doberman. We apply the method of direct knowledge, a specialist can cause his spirit. Banged him, and rightly so.
            1. +1
              26 August 2014 10: 24
              Well then the question is removed. No individual - no questions. And then a machete, a machete ..... Some kind of a fantazer.
        2. +3
          26 August 2014 07: 20
          Quote: Old Cynic
          As if it were a special throw

          We have a bunch of Azerbajans living. They sit on a bench and speak Russian among themselves, so what?
          1. Old Cynic
            +6
            26 August 2014 07: 23
            Never mind. It’s the same as talking with my brother in English.
            1. +4
              26 August 2014 07: 34
              But in fact they don’t really know Georgian at all, it’s easy, they grew up in the Union, everyone could be brought up far from the Georgians and therefore speak Russian!
              Fatty is 50 years old, where did he grow up?
              1. +1
                26 August 2014 08: 56
                Here you are wrong! Even Dmitry Kharatyan, who was born and raised in Russia, perfectly understands the language of his ancestors and speaks tolerably well! My neighbors, my husband is a semi-Armenian (my mother is Ukrainian, my father is a Karabakh Armenian), my wife is Russian, and the children understand and can speak Armenian, despite the fact that they grew up in a Russian-speaking environment!
            2. +2
              26 August 2014 07: 47
              Quote: Old Cynic
              Never mind. It’s the same as talking with my brother in English.

              No, we were born in the USSR, everyone spoke Russian, they speak now.
              1. 0
                26 August 2014 08: 13
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                No, we were born in the USSR, everyone spoke Russian, they speak now.


                Yesterday I tried to communicate with a young Tajik youth. Through dad))) Dad was born in the USSR, his son is already in an independent state. But dad brought his son here)))
          2. 0
            26 August 2014 07: 34
            why would such a Svidomog garny Georgian lad speak Vatnikovsky-Colorado language?
            1. +2
              26 August 2014 08: 50
              Quote: maxxdesign
              why would such a Svidomog garny Georgian lad speak Vatnikovsky-Colorado language?

              And if you remember, in the year 8 (?) Ssukashvili agreed with some Azeri about weapons (?) In Russian. English did not suit them.
          3. 0
            26 August 2014 12: 04
            To be honest, I have not seen more than one Azer or a Georgian talking to each other in Russian, maybe they were just born somewhere in Siberia and it’s incredible. They are very scrupulous in their language. Here you are very wrong Alexander Romanov.
        3. +1
          26 August 2014 07: 21
          two Georgians speak Russian among themselves

          nothing strange, I talk a lot with Armenians, they speak Russian among themselves, that elderly Georgian does not know how many lives in Israel, and the other dog in Ukraine does not speak Georgian with Ukrainians
        4. +2
          26 August 2014 08: 46
          Quote: Old Cynic
          this is strange - two Georgians speak Russian to each other ..

          That's really, really strange ... belay As far as I know Georgians, they always prefer to speak their native language, and despite the rules of etiquette, that nearby people do not understand a word from this! am Conversation in an understandable language is intended for the ears of others, so that they hear what is needed! Short conclusion: FAKE !!! fellow negative
      3. +5
        26 August 2014 07: 19
        Quote: mirag2
        Good morning, did you see the Doberman get away with it?

        Dill stupidly merge it in the near future. If you do not get out of Ukraine, khan to him.
        1. 0
          26 August 2014 08: 15
          .If you do not get out of Ukraine, khan to him.

          And where and who needs this dog ?! There are enough of such mongrel!
          All one - he is not a tenant, Doperman!
      4. +3
        26 August 2014 07: 32
        when will they catch this nits and put them on their knees? like the rest of the prisoners who were such heroes, and how they fell into the hands of the militias so quickly in tears .. I didn’t shoot ... I didn’t say .. I didn’t want ... in words all the heroes ... but in fact they are sissy! really looking forward to the video of this freak with a broken face and on his knees ... what will he say ...
        1. +1
          26 August 2014 07: 54
          like he was in captivity or not? this picture was posted a week ago:
      5. 0
        26 August 2014 08: 18
        Alive, canine son? Hopefully not long left.
      6. +3
        26 August 2014 08: 18
        Well, the "man" said, "the specific kid" took the words. As I understand it, this is hm - ukrop propaganda. Such are drained. And at the expense of the Chechens, in vain he did it, he and his family now run, not run across. Washing will not help. hi
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      8. +1
        26 August 2014 09: 44
        My heart feels that this Georgian cockerel did not have long to crow.
      9. +1
        26 August 2014 10: 25
        laughing heels back laughing he generally understood who he had threatened and with whom he had contacted, now he would be hiding about such a neck if you couldn’t hide the plastic, you had to do it and the Ukrainians hadn’t paid good
    2. 0
      26 August 2014 11: 08
      Militias certainly well done! Honor and praise!
      I am not a military expert, but I wonder: how can such a grouping of troops be kept in the ring by small militia forces?
      As I understand it, surrounded dill still retains sufficient combat effectiveness.
      Can't they, having such a strength and technique, concentrate a powerful "fist" in one (western) direction and break through the ring? request
  2. Bowless
    +1
    26 August 2014 07: 06
    New is well forgotten old.
  3. +4
    26 August 2014 07: 06
    Well done, I wonder who prompts them on tactics or we all guess.
    1. +4
      26 August 2014 07: 19
      Military science is always on top, and the Amerian grief of advisers must be driven to the neck. Everywhere they hang around - in Iraq their wards are beaten, they are not in PMCs, now the Ukrainians have heard enough about how to lose
      1. +5
        26 August 2014 07: 37
        Quote: FC SKIF
        Military science is always on top, and the Amerian grief of advisers must be driven to the neck.

        Well, starting from Suvorov onwards .... CLASSICS! And even earlier examples are also not forgotten. Where are those Americans! Their advisers did not study history either! And they learned nothing from their mistakes.
        Although who knows, maybe they specifically "advise" to knock out more Ukrainians.
        1. +1
          26 August 2014 08: 20
          What are you, dear. Even the Slavs rustled Byzantium with their passage overland by ship on wheels under sail. At the time of Suvorov, the size of the Russian Empire was no longer in comparison with any European state.
      2. +1
        26 August 2014 08: 14
        Americans can clean only after carpet bombing. And as soon as the wounded enemy moves, they again begin to carry out carpet bombing. Although some large-scale amphibious operations they carried out well: the landing of the Allies in Normandy, the naval landing in the Korean War. But on land, tactics are straightforward. They studied on the Indians.
  4. Mishanya 84
    +2
    26 August 2014 07: 06
    A good gift Poroshenko for the holiday !!!
  5. +4
    26 August 2014 07: 08
    Well done militia, keep it up. We believe in you and victory will be yours. Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! soldier
    But the feeling that the main thing is still ahead does not leave me ...
  6. +4
    26 August 2014 07: 08
    School I.I. Strelkova - God grant him health and success!
    In addition, defending one’s homeland is a noble goal, unlike the goal of a military mercenary or a young Ukrainian conscript fighting against his brothers.
    1. +9
      26 August 2014 07: 12
      "school ...", but in the DPR they say that he himself leads the counteroffensive.
      "Igor Ivanovich Strelkov returned from a short-term vacation from the Russian Federation. He did not return empty-handed. He now has a special mission. He will coordinate the counter-offensive of the LPR and DPR militia forces."
      http://donbass.center/
      1. +1
        26 August 2014 08: 11
        "Igor Ivanovich Strelkov returned from a short-term vacation from the Russian Federation"

        If only the truth! I feel like a holiday! If true-ah, yes Putin ... !!!
  7. +3
    26 August 2014 07: 08
    Well done Strelkovtsy! Keep it up! We will send Porosenko, Merkelyushka and Obama with their plans away ....
  8. +7
    26 August 2014 07: 09
    Whoever harrows the native land for that and victory, the primordially Russian wisdom ...
  9. +3
    26 August 2014 07: 10
    Nevertheless, the severe military training of the militias affects. After all, the leaders - not some salazats, veterans of Afghanistan and Chechnya.
  10. +5
    26 August 2014 07: 10
    Dropping from a height will lead to the fact that all these cargoes will also go to the militia, ”said Ivan Konovalov, an expert at the Center for Strategic Market Studies, emphasizing that the security forces can only make a breakthrough.

    It was necessary on the contrary to indicate that the supply of the army can only be carried out by air! wassat Geletey is a cop, he would not have guessed it! laughing
  11. +5
    26 August 2014 07: 10
    militias, they are republicans, of course, great, but the "strong" boiler must still be kept and liquidated, which will require additional forces and time, which is now becoming very scarce ... bully
  12. +9
    26 August 2014 07: 10
    There is no better news in the morning. It turns out that today the army of Ukraine is virtually defeated. If something begins on the western borders of Ukraine, the General Staff of Ukraine can only send infantry. There are practically no tanks and lightly armored vehicles. No aviation, and the pilots themselves are demoralized by the number of their comrades shot down. There are no warships. Come in who hosh and take what hosh territory. No matter how Romania or Poland started there. GDP did not merge New Russia; it merged Ukraine.
  13. +11
    26 August 2014 07: 11
    In response to the actions of the army of New Russia, Gebelspropanganden works to its fullest laughing
    1. +5
      26 August 2014 07: 23
      Yes, all this has already happened, in Germany, that was exactly what Goebbels was saying - we are cutting the front line so that later we can deliver a crushing blow to the Red Army. Give Kiev!
      1. +2
        26 August 2014 09: 02
        Quote: Shadow1
        Yes, all this has already happened, in Germany, that was exactly what Goebbels was saying - we are cutting the front line so that later we can deliver a crushing blow to the Red Army. Give Kiev!

        Even the old man Marshak (remember this?) Wrote:

        “Corrupt - not corrupted”

        Retreating, the Nazis spoke in orders of reducing the front line

        The eye of a scoundrel is beaten, And on the forehead is a lamp
        But he wheezes, threatening: - Well, still hit!
        After the Volga hot bath He said:
        - Well, We will be counted in the Kuban Or in the Don!
        After the Don and Kuban, He threatened more than once: -
        I’ll bend you into a horn of sheep - Put yourself in the Donbass!
        Retreating from Donbass, He said: - Tprru!
        I don’t want to go further. Tap into the Dnieper! ..
        Finding himself behind the Danube, He shouted: “Well, yes!”
        This is the front we are cutting. Come here!
        “Shorten - Do not reverse!” - Says the tailor.
        Berlin has three arshins. There will be a front long!

        1944
    2. +4
      26 August 2014 07: 32
      It seems these songs were already played on the air in 1942-1945. "... tactical retreat, ... alignment of the front line." Old. Let's get something new.
    3. 0
      26 August 2014 08: 14
      By the way, the 28th Odessa brigade was "smitten" whether Akim is still alive ???
    4. +1
      26 August 2014 08: 15
      The 28th mechanized brigade from Chabanka is completely defeated near Ilovaisk.

      This was announced on the air of the 112 channel by the head of the Road Control publication Rostislav Shaposhnikov.

      “The fighters say that Russian troops surrounded us from all sides. Yesterday they captured the village of Kuteynikovo. The 28th brigade was completely defeated. Now they reach Starobeshevo. In Ilovaisk there are fights. It turns out that we cannot go to Ilovaisk and cannot retreat. We were bombarded with mines all night, about 60 minutes were fired at us, after the night 13 dead, 18 wounded, ”said Shaposhnikov.
    5. +1
      26 August 2014 08: 17
      The dog barks, the militia sets in! Like this!
    6. 0
      26 August 2014 11: 16
      Why are Russian paratroopers, tanks, armored personnel carriers, artillery mentioned all the time?
      I do not remember at least 1 proof.
      So soon they will start writing about incendiary bombs on the carpet bombing of Kiev.
  14. +6
    26 August 2014 07: 11
    Slavyansk people — invincible people, dill refused to be Slavs, so so let them be destroyed then ....
  15. +10
    26 August 2014 07: 11
    You know, this tactic reminded me of the indestructible tactics of the Golden Eagle battle. When the enemy rushed in a wedge to break through the formation, the Horde warriors calmly parted and even pretended to be running. At the same time, part of the troops bypassed the flanks. Then they fell asleep with arrows. The enemy was huddled together, then they were already attacked from all sides.
    Such tactics required the highest level of coordination and desperate courage, otherwise a feigned escape could turn into a real rout.
    So in the Donbass we see the desperate courage of the Militia, multiplied by the skill of the commanders. Ukrov is allowed to a certain milestone, followed by a lightning-fast raid and dill is boiled in a cauldron.
    1. +7
      26 August 2014 08: 05
      I beg you, other uncles think for militias, how to organize an environment with large forces, etc. this takes place only in academies (military), the breakthrough from Slavyansk was obviously not planned by Strelkov. and also about Mariupol - a classic distraction (multiplied by special propaganda) to defeat the encircled 7000 people. No sane general will organize an assault having in the rear encirclement ...
  16. +3
    26 August 2014 07: 12
    “At one time, the grouping of troops of Igor Strelkov came out of Slavyansk in a very beautiful way. I think this maneuver will be considered in the academies of the general staffs of armies of various countries. There was a breakthrough and a blow from a distracting group, ”noted Konovalov.
    I can not disagree.
  17. Drunya
    +10
    26 August 2014 07: 12
    Quote: Lyton
    Well done, I wonder who prompts them on tactics or we all guess.

    Military experts praise their tactics good
    1. 0
      26 August 2014 09: 17
      Quote: Dryuya
      Military experts praise their tactics
      I see in this the diminution of Strelkov's merits. It, nmv, combines a deep study of the theory of military tactics, necessary for historical reconstruction, with its practical development on its own, as they say, skin. Not every military expert can boast of such a level.
  18. +2
    26 August 2014 07: 16
    so dill are not warriors, dill punishers. In a couple of days they will begin to cry that they "did not want", they were "forced".
    but something else today will tell the GDP to the parashka. so it’s better for dill to surrender now, not to drag out the agony
    1. 0
      26 August 2014 07: 32
      Quote: andrei332809
      something else today gross GDP will tell. so it’s better for dill to surrender now, not to drag out the agony


      Yes, today negotiations are in Minsk. Something will be ...
  19. +3
    26 August 2014 07: 17
    People have intelligence and tactics, and the "peace-loving" ukrov have the third mobilization, who is fighting there? Green and nothing more.
  20. +7
    26 August 2014 07: 17
    "... Yes, Ut-1, yes, Channel 5, owned by the president, yes, TRK Ukraina, owned by Akhmetov. But there are two main buttons - 1 + 1 and Inter - did not savor the details, confining themselves to news stories. What does this mean? That oligarchs of the level of Firtash and Kolomoisky do not share the "festive mood" and the president's peaceful plans. They are enemies, and this was highlighted by the ruthless camera angles ... "
    “... Considering the sharply decreasing territory of Ukraine, not all European leaders considered it necessary to congratulate the country and its leader on a non-existent holiday.

    We look a little list. “The head of state was congratulated by King of Spain Felipe VI, King of Sweden Carl XVI Gustav, Emperor of Japan Akihito, Federal President of the Republic of Austria Heinz Fischer, President of the Slovak Republic Andrei Kosichka, President of Turkmenistan Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov, President of the Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev, President of the Republic of Tajikistan Emomali Rahmon, President Republic of Croatia Ivo Josipovich, President of Portugal Anibal Cavaco Silva, President of the Republic of Benin Yai Boni, President of the Republic of Singapore Tony Tan Keng Y m, the president of the United States of Mexico, Enrique Peña Nieto, "- said in a statement.

    In addition, Poroshenko received a congratulatory telegram from Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain. And it's all? Where are the leaders of the leading EU countries? Apart from Hollande, as well as the leaders of Latvia and Lithuania, no one “scratched themselves”. But the Customs Union is widely represented ...
    Interesting, huh? The partners of the European power are not happy birthday. US Vice President Biden wryly congratulated on the phone yesterday, but Putin said nothing at all. But they waited, waited ... "
    http://vz.ru/opinions/2014/8/25/702007.html
    1. +5
      26 August 2014 07: 42
      Quote: ImPerts
      and Putin generally kept silent. But they waited, waited ... "

      He will "congratulate" him today! laughing
  21. +3
    26 August 2014 07: 20
    The army of the South-Eastern republics is gaining strength, experience comes with battles, dill will now begin to look for those responsible and excuses for their actions, such as a grenade from his wrong system.
    1. +2
      26 August 2014 07: 31
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      dill will now begin to look for those responsible and excuses for their actions

      and the perpetrators have already been appointed, and there is an excuse - Russia is to blame. she fights, bad, with her invisible soldiers, does not allow the establishment of constitutional order and the integrity of dill. and yet, such and such, and Crimea does not give, and "compensation" squeezed request
  22. +2
    26 August 2014 07: 20
    So why be surprised, comrades. Knowledgeable people from relevant ministries and departments advise. In general, this is another southern boiler, which Amvrosievka has - a classic operation on the environment, classic Cannes. Such things must then be taught at military academies. Death to the fascist invaders! soldier
    1. 0
      26 August 2014 09: 37
      Quote: desant_doktor
      environment operation, classic Cannes.

      What Cannes are we talking about !!! There is NO continuous front line in Donbass! I have the right to speak of this as an eyewitness to all events, who by the will of fate turned out to be an observer, until mid-August. The militia and dill are fighting, mainly at checkpoints! And then on the main roads! Field roads and country roads are not covered by anyone or anything! Almost free access to any controlled area! You can go by car, but on foot ... Passage yard !!! War on schedule - 4.30-6.00 - shelling of enemy territories, then a break for breakfast, from 11.00 to 13.30 - shelling, LUNCH! 16.00 - 18.00 - another shelling, DINNER! 22.00 - 24.00 - good night wishes! Night - a couple of shots, so as not to relax! If during the "planned" shelling they hit somewhere that they shouldn't have, then a hard shelling from all types of artillery already at specific targets and positions! In the city, "liberated" from the militia, practically without proper security, ukrovoyaks were concentrated in hotels and hostels, equipment in school stadiums, there was not a single sabotage! At least the smallest, so that "the service does not seem like honey" !!! And you are wearing Cannes! Old Man Makhno and he acted more actively! You can minus! But I am RIGHT!
  23. +8
    26 August 2014 07: 26
    Ukropskii Commandos apparently did not study well in their academies and do not remember the bloody experience of the death of Soviet Red Army soldiers in Finnish boilers, including the entire 18th Karelian division. Or are they developing fundamentally new, exclusively yellow-black methods of warfare? In any case, they will end badly, for which I will drink a glass of Crimean wine in the afternoon sitting on the Russian South Coast and admiring the Black Sea.
    1. +1
      26 August 2014 07: 33
      Gorbachev’s ears are not visible there? smile
      I am a wanderer of wine and South Coast.
  24. 0
    26 August 2014 07: 26
    To surround and then neutralize 7000 people, at least 3 times (20 people) need more troops than the enemy, and the official number of militias is 000
    1. +1
      26 August 2014 08: 00
      and here you are reasoning reasonably.
      The fact is that Ukrainians rely mainly on technology, and to contain it, you do not need a tight ring.
    2. 0
      26 August 2014 08: 02
      Quote: serct
      To surround and then neutralize 7000 people, it is necessary to at least 3 times (20 people) more troops than the enemy

      And so we take and learn history. What was the number of Soviet troops surrounding the army of Paulus near Staligrad?
    3. +2
      26 August 2014 08: 03
      Quote: serct
      To surround and then neutralize 7000 people, at least 3 times (20 people) need more troops than the enemy, and the official number of militias is 000

      It is enough to block and cut off the supply of high quality. A couple of weeks and the maintenance of the boiler will be completely operational.
      But in order to compress and hold the boilers, reconnaissance is required, a quick reaction - mobility and maneuvering by fire.
    4. +1
      26 August 2014 08: 10
      this is necessary if 1) the enemy is not demoralized 2) if there is little armored vehicles 3) if on the outer ring of the environment the forces of the enemy

      The modern environment consists of the creation of fortified points on large road junctions that shoot through the perimeter and the coverage of the territory of all points must intersect, while all enemy communications are intercepted ...
    5. +4
      26 August 2014 08: 10
      Quote: serct
      To surround and then neutralize 7000 people, at least 3 times (20 people) need more troops than the enemy, and the official number of militias is 000

      There is no actual environment - only the main roads are blocked, there is no dense ring. There is a so-called. "firing" encirclement, when the space between the strongholds is shot through. Small groups can seep through, and ammunition and food can be difficult to transport. Further, the army of Novorossiya will establish the location of manpower and equipment, and then destroy them. If only there were enough shells - they would need wagons.
  25. +6
    26 August 2014 07: 27
    Well, now we will see how quickly they will knock out the art that is beating around Donetsk and Lugansk. They will definitely not otmazhutsya there "we did not want, we were ordered / deceived." And it is necessary to kick out the ukroarmiyu. It is to kick out, depriving weapons, ammunition and equipment. Terbatalions and national guards so generally nullify in full.
  26. +2
    26 August 2014 07: 28
    I am always pinned by the opinions of "analysts" and "military experts" who did not even hear the whistle of bullets.
    Well, I have nothing against the article.
  27. cup
    +3
    26 August 2014 07: 29
    Quote: mirag2
    Good morning, did you see the Doberman get away with it?

    except the mat some drool. hero of the Ukrainian people!
    1. +1
      26 August 2014 07: 42
      and who is this at all ?? winked
      1. 0
        26 August 2014 11: 20
        Link about him - http://pluto9999.livejournal.com/119055.html

        And video for the 24th
  28. +1
    26 August 2014 07: 29
    What is Doberman talking about in the video ??
    Chet some sort of set of words
  29. +2
    26 August 2014 07: 30
    Quote: Magadan
    You know, this tactic reminded me of the indestructible tactics of the Golden Eagle battle. When the enemy rushed in a wedge to break through the formation, the Horde warriors calmly parted and even pretended to be running. At the same time, part of the troops bypassed the flanks. Then they fell asleep with arrows. The enemy was huddled together, then it was already attacked from all sides. Such tactics required the highest level of coordination and desperate courage, otherwise the feigned escape could turn into a real defeat. Here and in the Donbass we see the desperate courage of the Militia, multiplied by the skill of the commanders. Ukrov is allowed to a certain milestone, followed by lightning-fast raid and dill is boiled in a boiler.

    I agree, the analogy in tactics is visible smile Yes, and the result is consistent
  30. +3
    26 August 2014 07: 30
    Punitive battalions must be cut to the root. Those who killed children of old women’s women should not be taken prisoner.
    And let Salo be Ukraine
  31. +3
    26 August 2014 07: 30
    Like near Moscow in 41. First they retreated, and then went on the offensive. Drive the junta to the last Natsik!
  32. Drunya
    +2
    26 August 2014 07: 31
    Children of their Fathers !!! http://voicesevas.ru/news/
  33. +2
    26 August 2014 07: 32
    dill wanted a small victorious war, but got a complete .ope, soon the militias will reach Kiev and the parashka will dump somewhere in the west, the fascist reptile will write how he built democracy in dill, as the tie-eater now writes.
  34. Drunya
    +9
    26 August 2014 07: 34
    The breakthrough to the sea became possible thanks to the betrayal of the Azov battalion

    The breakthrough to the Sea of ​​Azov, carried out by the militia on August 24, became possible not least thanks to the actual betrayal of their own by the Azov battalion.
    Anticipating a possible attack by the militias along the border with Russia to the Sea of ​​Azov, the Ukrainian command tried to use its last reserve - the Azov battalion. However, the command of the battalion refused to advance to Novoivanovka (south of Amvrosievka), citing the fact that they had "4 killed and 35 wounded in the battle of Ilovaisk."
    After the pathos transfer of these losses, the Azov battalion withdrew in the direction of Mariupol - to "rest and retrofit." At night, when the forces of Novorossia launched an assault on Amvrosievka (which turned out to be a distraction), the headquarters of the 8th Army Corps again tried to contact the commander of the "Azov" Biletsky - however, according to our source, the army was already sent out very impolite. The other day, felon Andriy Biletsky became a lieutenant colonel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine - therefore he was "not at the rank" to obey any military there.
    As a result, the militia went through Novoivanovka like a knife through oil - but first not towards the Sea of ​​Azov, but towards the units of the DPR advancing along the Mospino-Ekaterinovka line - and closed the encirclement ring around the “Amvrosievskaya” group, which numbers about 5-6 thousand people , and consists not only of units of the Armed Forces, but also of the volunteer punitive battalions “Aydar”, “Donbass” and “Shakhtar”. Since the Azov battalion, manned by Nazis of various stripes, heroically withdrew from military operations (the “heroes” were scared or the “heroes” were filming yet another ultra-patriotic video), the road to Novoazovsk and Mariupol was opened in front of the militias.
    Therefore, there is absolutely nothing strange in the fact that at the moment the maneuverable armored group of the militia is storming Novoazovsk, and the roadblocks around Mariupol have been attacked by sabotage and reconnaissance militia groups.

    http://voicesevas.ru/news/
  35. Dbnfkmtdbx
    +1
    26 August 2014 07: 36
    I, too, didn’t understand why this dead girl barks fool dog
  36. +3
    26 August 2014 07: 38
    Dill still do not understand that this is war. And you have to fight seriously, but they don't know how. So far, they manage to fire on the squares and supply heavy weapons to the militia (sorry, the army of the South-East). They have already "landed" their aircraft, now they will hand over the equipment and flee to their homes. If allowed, of course.
  37. +15
    26 August 2014 07: 46
    Dill media ... laughing
  38. Crimea-nyash
    +1
    26 August 2014 07: 50
    Army Yu.V. well done !! the main thing is not to slow down, not to miss the initiative. kill the bastard in his den. until the bucket he persuaded Putin to help slow down his death.
    1. 0
      26 August 2014 08: 06
      this is not the army of the south-southeast of hohland, this is the army of NEW RUSSIA !!! soldier
  39. Drunya
    +1
    26 August 2014 07: 55
    Poroshenko found the guilty ones - if CHE does not go well in the country, they are guilty as always "THEY" - 5 COLUMN (it is already possible to scare children: - "5 column will come and take you")
  40. +1
    26 August 2014 07: 55
    And now to destroy everyone, so that others would not be habituated.
  41. +1
    26 August 2014 07: 57
    The "cauldrons" that the militias arrange for the punishers must still be able to defeat or at least restrain such a horde of troops from breaking through. If that grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine surrenders, then they can immediately be renamed into trudarmy and according to objects, restore everything that was broken
  42. +1
    26 August 2014 07: 58
    Guys...!!! Krasava ... !!! Be alive, BROTHERS and everyone to return home !!!
  43. 0
    26 August 2014 08: 02
    the main thing is not to slow down, not to miss the initiative.

    Bayonet, speed, surprise - these are the leaders of the Russians. (Suvorov A.V.)
  44. -4
    26 August 2014 08: 03
    - Well ... -I'm already tired ... -Maybe I misunderstood something ... -but the facts are facts ...
    -About what "dashing victories" of the militia is again in full swing there is an endless discussion of praise ..?
    -And Donetsk and Lugansk both fired at dill so this shelling continues to this day ... -What has changed ..?
    -What is the fact that the militias have achieved great victories ..? -Still there is an endless shelling of Donetsk and Lugansk ... -and moreover, the centers of these cities and the outskirts and suburbs are being shot at ... -Schools, hospitals, power plants, gas pipelines are destroyed (as before) ... and so on ... -Continue under shelling dying peaceful citizens ...- women, children, the elderly and youth ...
    -From all this, it becomes clear that Donetsk and Lugansk are in a dense ring of dill encirclement and they continue to systematically destroy these cities with their shelling ...
    - Moreover ... - dill continue to bombard cities from the airports of these cities ... - apparently, dill "settled" in these airports forever ...
    -And now, "against the background" of these obvious facts, you somehow stop believing in some kind of "encirclement" by the militias of thousands of Ukrop groups, the creation of some "cauldrons" by them and the capture of some villages, etc.
    -Something strange is all this ...
    -And why didn’t the militias drop the dill from the walls of Donetsk and Lugansk, didn’t open the blockade ring, didn’t destroy the dill at the airports of these cities, and didn’t save the inhabitants of Donetsk and Lugansk from nightmarish shelling ..?
    -What is going on ..? -And who is fooling anyone .., after all ..?
    1. +3
      26 August 2014 08: 24
      Recall how much makes the range of modern MLRS? Hurricane - up to 35 km, hail - up to 42 km (with the use of appropriate ammunition). The D-30 howitzer is capable of reaching the ARS for 22 km. From here, the conclusion is that until dill is squeezed out about half a hundred kilometers from the cities, shelling, unfortunately, will continue. To strike along the outskirts of Donetsk, for example, means substituting the flank of the attacking group for the dill. As settlements occupy northwest of Donetsk, artillery positions near Donetsk will also be eliminated. Most likely, the situation south of Ilovaisk seemed to the DPR command more dangerous, which is why the main attacks were delivered there.
      And about "believe-do not believe". We are not in Ukraine, no one closed the censor's websites and the corresponding groups in social networks. Look for alternative sources of information, since you are such a skeptic. Or go and see for yourself. Well, you can also read the relevant tactical resources.
    2. +3
      26 August 2014 08: 30
      1) Lugansk is no longer fired at 2 of the day.

      2) War is not only an attack on the forehead, on the prepared positions of the enemy. Only equal armies can do this. But also the destruction of maneuver groups, rear bases, and means of communication through which one can weaken the enemy and make him equal to himself - then it will be possible to discard the enemy.

      3) It’s right to take the border with the Russian Federation under control over its entire length. Humanitarian convoys waited 2 weeks to clear the way for delivery. And now it will be possible to break through anywhere.

      4) More than sure that the attack to the south is a successful gamble of the DRG, who decided not to stop. If these were the main forces of the militia, everything would have been taken there. It was the rear.

      5) The main forces of the militia at the boiler, knock out the most maneuverable and strongest junta troops, which climbed into the abdomen of New Russia and blocked the paths. As soon as they are liquidated, they will be engaged in the north.
    3. 0
      26 August 2014 08: 56
      What "dense" blockade rings around Donetsk and Lugansk are you talking about !? belay this was not and was not watch carefully and read and do not panic and hysteria. Of course, maybe not everything is so rosy, but certainly not as sad as you write.
    4. +1
      26 August 2014 09: 56
      I’ll try to explain .... if you look at the map of hostilities you will see that in the recent past Donetsk was surrounded in the north, west and south .. at the moment the south direction is free. It’s also become cleaner in the east ... And shelling continues from the north and northwest. But noticeably less intense. Well, something like that)
    5. +1
      26 August 2014 10: 07
      Quote: lonovila
      -And why didn’t the militias drop the dill from the walls of Donetsk and Lugansk, didn’t open the blockade ring, didn’t destroy the dill at the airports of these cities, and didn’t save the inhabitants of Donetsk and Lugansk from nightmarish shelling ..?
      -What is going on ..? -And who is fooling anyone .., after all ..?

      I completely agree! I don’t know how things are in Lugansk, but in Donetsk I can be more specific. Donetsk, from the airport, has been shelling since May 26! The airport, as it was, remains under the control of the dill troops! From the center of Donetsk to the airport, in peacetime, by trolley 15-20 minutes! When Avdeevka (a suburb) was under the control of the DPR forces, it was possible to block the airport by a detour, to cut it off from the rest of the forces! But it was not done! Why?!! Under the shelling of the Donetsk railway station, the Western bus station was operating from which the airport is visible! It seems that there is a deliberate destruction of industry, infrastructure and the civilian population of the entire Donbass from both sides !!!
      1. +1
        26 August 2014 12: 01
        Yes, I agree with you ...
        - I'm not a military specialist, but rational enough and based on objective facts ... -And one thing -
        engage in bravura and pompous propaganda, and it is another thing to evaluate real and impartial objective information ...
        -That, for example, for comparison ... -see the news ... and there they show how some Islamic militants (meaning the war in the Middle East) occupied the airport in Tripoli ... -Everything is clear and understandable ... - No more questions...
        -So why can't the militias take the airports in Donetsk and Lugansk ...? - Who is protecting these airports ..? -What are the "super-presuper" Ukropov troops ..? -And how are these Ukropovskie troops supplied with ammunition, food and new reinforcements ... -Why is this topic always so "shyly hushed up" ...?
        -That's written all the time that supposedly the Ukrainian troops taken elsewhere in the ring by the militia were left without ammunition and shells and without food, etc. ... -and so they were forced to surrender to the militia ... -Here's all clear .. .
        -So, what about then, these Ukropovskie troops that have settled in airports and have been constantly scorching from there from all guns for more than three months now ... ??????? -Where do they get food, water, ammunition, reserves ... ?????
        -How to understand this .. ?????
        - I don't know ... - how anyone, but I have a firm conviction that there is some kind of reticence here ... and some facts are simply deliberately hushed up ... - And so there is some distrust of "military successes" of the militias ...
        -There, obviously, not everything is so "smooth" ... -The victories of the militias look somehow ephemeral and unconvincing ...
        -It would not lead all this to serious enough complications in the future ...
    6. 0
      26 August 2014 10: 29
      Exit to Azov is another supply chain (in a whisper)
  45. +3
    26 August 2014 08: 04
    - Monya, what is happening there in Ukraine?
    - Ukraine is fighting against Russia!
    - And sho?
    - Such are the losses of Ukraine today: two million civilians, the Crimean peninsula, several helicopters and planes, dozens of armored personnel carriers, many soldiers were killed and two large areas in the east are still on the verge of transition to Russia ...
    - What about Russia?
    - You won’t believe ... Russia still hasn’t come to the war! ..
    1. +1
      26 August 2014 10: 11
      Quote: Svetlana
      . Russia still hasn’t come to the war! ..

      Indeed, Russia was NOT at war! If Russia introduced at the very beginning of the conflict a special forces brigade of the GRU of the General Staff of the RF Ministry of Defense, only one !, the conflict would have been strangled in the bud!
  46. 0
    26 August 2014 08: 26
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Dill media ... laughing

    In a panic come .... FUCK! Is that what would not crap run forward and not back ??? Original
    In Ukraine, the media are already illiterate?
    1. +3
      26 August 2014 08: 42
      In general, this is such a trolling ... UkroSMI is only a victory, a win and a shot! The Pskov division was once again defeated, and yet another Rashka armored armored unit was burned. The shelling is conducted from the territory of "Rashka" with nuclear shells - Tymchuk was not injured, 100500 "Colorados" lie in the Ukrainian soil. Sala to Ukraine!
    2. 0
      26 August 2014 10: 00
      Quote: shimus
      In Ukraine, the media are already illiterate?
      Already 23 years since they scored on language standards.
  47. 0
    26 August 2014 08: 31
    Well, Novorossia has already acquired a full-fledged army. The junta is merging, soon the end of this Ukrainian-European utopia about democracy. This will be the biggest failure of the State Department! Mattresses will once again receive a snout from Russia. Milkman Putin, plays very subtly and strategically correctly. That Ukraine will be the beginning of the sunset of the star-striped empire !!!
  48. 0
    26 August 2014 08: 50
    “Shakhtersk”, “Aydar” and “Donbass” - how tired these names are already ... Forgetting them as soon as possible, bury and roll them into the ground.
  49. +1
    26 August 2014 09: 26
    I found a good rhyme: "I'll get up early, I'll pull up my underpants ... Enough of the Maidans! I'll go to war. The convoy caught my friends in the gateway, And I voluntarily - after all, I'm a stupid person! I'm a stupid person! I'll leave the house, go to fight, So that the land in the Donbass to give Obama, So that the Jew Poroshenko, the murderers and the bastard Put another billion in his pocket. Don't cry, maman, cursing the fate of Go to Maidan instead of me! Ride higher, though it's hard for you And shout louder that Putin is "x @ lo" After all, if we all ride together, Ukraine will begin to flourish faster! Put me diapers, zbroyu, grub Farewell, mental hospital, pokeda, doctors! And here at the position I am a fireman Shouting: "Everyone is on the attack! Bandera is a hero! "But a shell suddenly banged next to me:" What are you? I'm not a Colorado! "Shuster told me in the program the other day, That quilted jackets are being crushed alone at the front, And with them kids, grandmothers, old people ... But I'm from the National Guard! I'm not like that! Here a gad mine blew my skull away .. I managed to whisper: "Ukraine is weak ..." ... In vain is the old woman waiting for her son home - He lies like a cold carcass under the mountain. And the scoreboard mobile phones flashing in vain: The bell rings, they say, Putin - x @ lo ... "
  50. 0
    26 August 2014 09: 44
    Well done. Good news. Worthy successors of the case of Zhukov and Rokosovsky. Good luck.
  51. +1
    26 August 2014 10: 06
    Джон Бэзил Турчин - один из героев амеровской войны севера и юга. Фермер, рабочий и т.д. Вступил добровольцем в армию Севера, быстро стал командиром полка, потом командиром бригады и начал так лупить противника, что быстро стал национальным героем. Как же, американская мечта - простой фермер стал одним из выдающихся генералов, написал наставление о системе боевых занятий бригады, которое использовалось как практическое руководство в армии северян и.т.д.
    Это я к чему: три раза ха!
    Иван Васильевич Турчанинов родился 11 февраля 1822 года в Новочеркасске в казачьей семье. После окончания артиллерийского училища он некоторое время служил в Донской конно-артиллерийской батарее, затем поступил в Академию Генштаба, окончил ее с серебряной медалью и вскоре был взят на службу в Генеральный штаб. Перед ним открывались блестящие перспективы, но жажда приключений влекла его за пределы России. Взяв в 1856 году длительный отпуск под предлогом болезни, он выехал за границу и после нескольких месяцев в Германии и Франции отправился с женой Надеждой в Америку.
    Это один и тот же человек.
    И.И. Стрелков - успехов Вам!!!
  52. 0
    26 August 2014 11: 34
    Всех этих отмороженных погладят за свой выбор, а эти организаторы что, опять скрылись или успеют убежать как всегда..

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