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Unwritten history. Polish kink

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In early August, on one of the Russian TV channels, the film “Untranscribed story. Polish break ”directed by Radik Kudoyarova. In the film, on the basis of a large number of archival film and photo documents, a whole series of acute issues of Poland’s foreign and domestic policy in the period between the First and Second World Wars is covered.



The filmmakers convincingly showed the close cooperation between the semi-fascist dictatorship of Pilsudski and the Hitler regime, which, in particular, was manifested in their full understanding of the Munich Agreement, the conquest of Austria and the division of the Sudetenland. The authors of the film rightly assume that if Poland together with the Soviet Union had come out against German fascism, then perhaps humanity would have avoided World War II.

However, since Poland’s withdrawal from the Russian Empire and independence in 1918, the Polish authorities have embarked on an all-out confrontation with the former metropolis, especially after defeating the Red Army outside Warsaw and consolidating the division of Belarus and Ukraine into two parts.

Meanwhile, Germany, developing cooperation with the Pilsudski regime, did not retreat from its plans, leading a double play against the ruling elite of Poland that lost its sense of reality. Berlin, on the one hand, pushed the Polish authorities to assist in the implementation of the German plans in Europe, especially with regard to Austria and Czechoslovakia, on the other - he turned Ukrainian nationalists against the Poles, who were supposed to strike Poland in the back.

The documentary film shows that Ukrainian nationalists (including such prominent OUN figures as Bandera and Lebed) had contacts with German intelligence since 1923, and, according to some German and Polish historians, it was they who were behind the 16 murder. July 1934, the Polish Interior Minister Bronislaw Peracki. By the way, it was after this murder, literally the next day, that the Polish government issued a decree on the establishment of the first concentration camp Bereza-Kartuzskaya in the country (located on the territory of modern Belarus, in the Brest region, not far from the city of Kobrin).

Over the next five years, all those who disagree with the policies of the Polish authorities will be brought to this concentration camp. The Birch-Kartuzskaya was no different from the German concentration camps, and sometimes even exceeded them by the sophistication of torture, as evidenced, for example, by the “blood lane” type of torture, when a prisoner had to crawl 50 meters through a mixture of broken brick and glass after which, without any medical assistance, he was placed in a punishment cell. Food in the punishment cell was given every other day. It is noteworthy that the first commandant of the concentration camp in Bereza-Kartuzskaya Beichner, like some supervisors, was trained in the German concentration camps that were already in force by that time.

Obviously, the murder of the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Poland was aimed at further tightening the regime in the country, setting it up to conduct more active and harsh repression against the population of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus, rather than triggering a response movement of the Resistance. As a result, the Polish regime was trapped in its own tough policy; there was nothing for it but to agree to a stronger Western partner.

The fact that Polish politicians between the two world wars have not yet gained a sense of reality is also indicated by their late preparation for a possible invasion by Germany and the almost complete lack of resistance to mechanized and motorized German military columns. The main goal of the Polish ruling circles was to take revenge on the former Russian metropolis, to return the former "greatness" to Poland, for which the Intermarium (Intermarine) concept was invented, which some political forces are currently raising on the shield in Belarus

The film also touches upon such a sore point for Polish self-consciousness as the cooperation of the Polish and German fascist regimes in the persecution and extermination of the Jews.

A significant part of the prisoners of the Polish concentration camps were Belarusians. However, all appeals of Belarusian citizens - descendants of prisoners of Polish concentration camps with requests for compensation and restoration of justice, following the example of how the government of post-war Germany did in relation to former prisoners of German concentration camps, official Warsaw left and leaves without satisfaction. Why the current Polish leaders refuse to bear responsibility for the actions of their predecessors is impossible to understand - after all, the crimes committed in the Polish and German concentration camps are completely identical.

Apparently, the Polish authorities are not ready on the anniversary of the 75 anniversary of the start of World War II to admit their guilt to the neighboring people, offer proper apologies and pay compensation to descendants of prisoners of Polish death camps. Although, sooner or later, the court of history cannot be avoided by the Polish authorities.

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Made at a high professional level film “Untangled History. Polish kink ”is a work that is truly relevant, because the political elite of Poland, intoxicated with arrogance, today does not notice the real national-state interests of Polish society. For this, the Polish people have already paid for it in the past. Evidence of this were three sections of the country. Can the dramatic history of Poland, which you should never try to rewrite, serve as a warning to the Poles?
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  1. master 84
    master 84 26 August 2014 14: 21
    +12
    History must be remembered and conclusions drawn.
    1. SS68SS
      SS68SS 26 August 2014 14: 25
      +8
      Quote: master 84
      History must be remembered and conclusions drawn.



      Poles, and today they were joined by Ukrainians (not all of course), always step on the same rake. They are so obsessed with propaganda and Russophobia incited from across the ocean that they are simply deaf and dumb to the voice of reason ...
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      2. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 26 August 2014 14: 59
        +5
        For those who are interested in history, it is no secret about Poland's flirting with the Nazis.
        1. insafufa
          insafufa 26 August 2014 15: 29
          +6
          Yes, the Poles did not have a complex of their usefulness who could for centuries have developed a courtesan reflex. I will surrender myself to evil if only not for Russia.
          Seriously, they, like jackals, participated in the division of Czechoslovakia and did not give our troops help the ally, otherwise our grandfathers would quickly calm Hitler together with the Czechs.
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 26 August 2014 18: 19
            +2
            Quote: insafufa
            For centuries, the courtesan’s reflex has developed. I will surrender myself to evil if only not for Russia.

            Poniatovsky's corps as part of Bonaparte's troops in the campaign against Moscow in 1812. Concubine N.B. Countess Valevskaya and even a certain "Countess of the Dogs", a closed chaise lounge with which followed the carriage "Bonapartia" ...
            1. Iline
              Iline 26 August 2014 18: 38
              0
              The fact that Polish politicians between the two world wars never found a sense of reality

              Yes, not only during this period, but throughout the entire existence of this aggressive state. They still sleep and see Poland within the borders of the Commonwealth. This is at their genetic level.
        2. WKS
          WKS 26 August 2014 20: 12
          +3
          The authors of the film rightly assume that if Poland, together with the Soviet Union, opposed German fascism, then perhaps humanity would have escaped World War II.

          The Polish army by 1939 did not differ much from itself in the same model of 1921, there weren’t only ulans with wings. It was an anachronism and it was hard to name an army. That is why the drip on the partition of Poland took a few days and was almost without loss of personnel. The sense of an alliance with this state for the USSR would not be what. World War 2 was predetermined by the West, a German wolf and a Russian bear were supposed to swallow each other. But the calculations did not materialize as a result of this war, the USSR turned into a superpower, and if Stalin had made up his mind and moved troops behind the Elbe, then at that time there would have been no force in the world capable of delaying the Soviet army, until the end of 1945 the whole Western world would become socialist republics , and Europe with the British Isles in the summer.
          1. smurnoi
            smurnoi 26 August 2014 22: 00
            0
            Poland was not so weak at the time of the war of the 39th year. They prepared for it, although they planned to fight the USSR. The Pshek resisted more abruptly than France.
            And second, it would be difficult for Joseph Vissarionovich to move his troops further west after so many time convincing the people that England and the United States were allies, and the country was simply exhausted by the war. After the victory, it is difficult to convince the troops to attack against the allies. These are not mercenaries.
            Although socialist Europe before Lisbon is a very attractive option.
          2. skeptic2999
            skeptic2999 27 August 2014 00: 23
            +1
            Quote: wks
            [
            The Polish army by 1939 did not differ much from itself in the same model of 1921, there weren’t only ulans with wings. It was an anachronism and it was hard to name an army. That is why the drip on the partition of Poland took a few days and was almost without loss of personnel.

            Sorry, I do not agree. The Poles held on for more than a month. Where there was no overwhelming superiority in technology with the enemy, the Poles held steady. Infantry, cavalry, pilots, sailors (heroes of Westerplatte). The Poles bravely fought against our common enemy in Italy and France and on the Soviet-German front. Polish sailors participated in allied convoys to Murmansk. You can not compare modern Poles with those. Yes, there were anti-Soviet forces, there were those who collaborated with Hitler - the family was not without a freak. And yet Poland - in World War II - is our ally. As a percentage of the pre-war population, it lost the most. let's respect the fallen.
            1. Starley from the south
              Starley from the south 27 August 2014 00: 54
              0
              Yes, the Poles suffered greatly during the Second World War, they helped us to destroy the fascists well ... How many of our soldiers were killed in Polish soil? Now the Poles, not just politicians, but even ordinary people do not like to remember this. Poland turned to all 180 degrees not only in relation to us, but also to itself. They had such a national hero, Wojciech Jaruzelski, who saved his country from the Soviet invasion in the time of Andropov. And what did they do with him? Arranged a humiliating court over an old sick man! And who are they after that? After all, not a single bastard intervened, was not against this ... trial!
        3. I am a Russian
          I am a Russian 26 August 2014 22: 05
          +1
          Quote: Mareman Vasilich
          For those who are interested in history, it is no secret about Poland's flirting with the Nazis.


          ... yes, Poles are lovers of servility.
      3. Cadet787
        Cadet787 26 August 2014 19: 22
        0
        26.08.2014 - 18: 22
        Polish General: Without NATO, Russia will conquer Poland in three days.
        The Polish army is in a terrible state and without NATO support it will be able to withstand the Russian offensive for hardly a few days. This was stated in an interview with Wprost magazine by the former Deputy Minister of Defense of Poland, General Voldemar Skzipczak.
        He sharply criticized the Polish military leadership, believing that there is no single leader, one who could make decisions in case of war.
        "Of course, everyone reaches the rank of general's stars, but then no one wants to take responsibility," the general was indignant. He convinces that the Russian army, in the event of an attack, could reach Warsaw in three days.
        "These three days are already an optimistic option, but on condition that we are forced to defend ourselves, without NATO support," the general explained. "Let's not kid ourselves. We have too little potential to resist a large army like the Russian one," he added.
        According to Skzipczak, in the current conditions Poland can attract "40 thousand military men, plus a little reserve, the level of training of which is terrible."
    2. GRAMARI111
      GRAMARI111 26 August 2014 15: 00
      +3
      Now Ukraine will call for women to the war.
      __________________________________________________
      Post-Maidan Ukraine manically takes over all the dubious European experience. In the near future, the Kiev regime plans to introduce military mobilization for women, citing the example of Switzerland, which, unlike Ukraine, has been pursuing a policy of non-participation in military conflicts for 200 years.
      Even not very healthy representatives of the weaker sex will be able to avoid mobilization. About this in an interview with the Ukrainian newspaper "Capital" said the so-called. Advisor to the Minister of Defense Alexander Danilyuk.
      During the mobilization period, each person liable for military service (women include them) undergoes a 90-day training course, after which he returns to civilian life. Every year before reaching the age of 51, military servicemen are called up for training camps. In the first ten years of service, they last three weeks a year, with a further reduction to one. All these measures make it possible to deploy a 650th army within two hours.
      According to Danilyuk, the large-scale implementation of such a program in Ukraine may begin in 2015.
      Ukrainian citizens will annually undergo military training, the duration of which is still under discussion. Tasks and deadlines will depend on age. All of them will defend settlements and protect especially important state facilities. Training of participants in special sabotage groups is possible.
      Both men and women will go through the KMB. For the latter, in case of health restrictions, emphasis will be placed on medical training or civil defense, Danilyuk emphasized.
      As specified, the idea of ​​forming an army according to the Swiss model belongs to the so-called Minister of Defense Vitaliy Geletiy - the one who promised to hold the Ukrainian victory parade in Sevastopol.
      1. 23 region
        23 region 26 August 2014 15: 25
        +6
        Quote: GRAMARI111
        According to Danilyuk, the large-scale implementation of such a program in Ukraine may begin in 2015.

        Will Ukraine exist in 2015, let alone Gelety and Danilyuk?
      2. Zomanus
        Zomanus 27 August 2014 06: 37
        0
        Very reasonable when you consider. that men will be beaten out by New Russia. And in Russia it would be nice to do this on a voluntary basis.
      3. Roman 11
        Roman 11 27 August 2014 07: 03
        0
        Quote: GRAMARI111
        In the near future, the Kiev regime plans to introduce military mobilization for women
        Very interesting. Where men have not been honored by the forces of women. It will even be surprising, for example, to hear - the women recaptured Ilovaisk and captured Strelkov)
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 26 August 2014 15: 42
      +5
      The Poles, as we see, have a short historical memory, which is worse for themselves.
      1. ing
        ing 27 August 2014 11: 16
        0
        There is such a judgment - the Lord God cannot change the past, but the historian can.
        the Poles always considered themselves obligated to teach Russia life and pay for it, and if we refuse to listen to them, then we are enemies.
  2. Koloradovatnik
    Koloradovatnik 26 August 2014 14: 22
    +17
    To be a political prostitute, or a tin can of all who pays the most, is Poland's historic vocation. "Slavs", their mother! "Than to be with such relatives - I'd rather be an orphan."
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 26 August 2014 16: 57
      +3
      They still dream of being the Rzecz Pospolita, although more than 300 years have passed
    2. Roman 11
      Roman 11 27 August 2014 06: 55
      0
      Quote: Colorado
      Than to be with such relatives - I'd rather be an orphan. "

      The Slavs as in any family - not without a freak, they are also fascists, they instill in their mother’s milk hatred of Russians and Germans am
  3. smart75
    smart75 26 August 2014 14: 25
    +8
    And Poland signed the non-aggression pact with fascist Germany in 1934, and the USSR only in 1939
  4. mig31
    mig31 26 August 2014 14: 25
    +4
    Psheki, like the Banderaites, adjust history to fit their "truth", and not to chronicle-historical annals, and to read their history is to read heresy ...
    1. alex-s
      alex-s 26 August 2014 14: 29
      +2
      and not under the chronicles of historical anal ...

      It is through the "analys" that they write history!
  5. Bagatur
    Bagatur 26 August 2014 14: 27
    +4
    As Churchill said: "Poland is the hyena of Eastern Europe!" Pan'i never had a sense of political reality .. Their pretensions had no match with the possibilities of the Polish state! It's hard to believe, but they really believed that the ability to resist Germany and win her ...
    1. Tanysh
      Tanysh 26 August 2014 15: 13
      0
      these ghouls still believe in their victory ...
  6. volot-voin
    volot-voin 26 August 2014 14: 28
    +5
    Why is it that the Germans condemned the atrocities after World War II, but there are no Poles atrocities? Why are they better?
    1. Predator
      Predator 26 August 2014 14: 54
      +4
      Quote: volot-voin
      Why is it that the Germans condemned the atrocities after World War II, but there are no Poles atrocities? Why are they better?

      They are not better, but worse. If Germany used the right of the strong, they took revenge because of their weakness, but having a gigantic conceit about their exceptionalism. At the end of the war, the USSR did not speak out loud about these matters, but they cleaned the guilty well. And it was not only the Poles, Germans who were atrocious (I am silent about the Zapadents), but also the Yugoslavs, the Baltic, and other scum. The more worthless the people, the more dirty tricks they do. The tradition is probably .......
    2. 23 region
      23 region 26 August 2014 15: 46
      +5
      Quote: volot-voin
      Why is it that the Germans condemned the atrocities after World War II, but there are no Poles atrocities? Why are they better?

      Poland, innocently suffered at the hands of the evil Stalin (who conspired with Hitler), is spoken of a lot and with inspiration. They don't talk about an aggressive Poland with the ambitions of an empire at all. The myth, they say, is fiction. They try not to remember how Poland and Hitler, with the support of Britain, France and other "democracies", sawed Czechoslovakia. A trifle, they say, a short-term eclipse, a desire to free the primordially Polish.
      And they still don't remember how democratic and free Poland demanded colonies for itself. The panam wanted to be like all white Europeans — to rob entire countries and conduct entertaining punitive expeditions.
      Silence about the death of Soviet prisoners of war in captivity, and Katyn’s ears were already buzzing
      1. raven8888
        raven8888 26 August 2014 18: 24
        +2
        23 region RU Today, 15:46
        ... all ears buzzed ...

        More likely hissed.
      2. Starley from the south
        Starley from the south 27 August 2014 01: 03
        +1
        For some reason, no one remembers how the Poles in 1918 - 1920 years tortured several tens of thousands of captured Red Army men, for a fairly short time! .. And they demand almost an annual apology for Katyn from us! Hypocritical ... in a word! angry
    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 26 August 2014 18: 22
      0
      Quote: volot-voin
      no atrocities of the Poles? Why are they better?

      This is a question for "the best friend of the Russians, W. Churchill.
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 26 August 2014 19: 52
        0
        In general, the war itself is a "brutal" thing and there were enough excesses from all sides, it was just to destroy as cynically as the Germans ... no one thought about it, and the Poles just ended up in the camp of winners, and the winners as a rule ...
  7. skifd
    skifd 26 August 2014 14: 29
    +4
    Poles, they are such "Poles" ... "Strange", on the head ... Only one action "eat an apple to spite Putin" is worth something.
  8. Federal
    Federal 26 August 2014 14: 37
    +4
    It is unfortunate that Poland has taken such a rabid anti-Russian course, which is typical according to media reports, this course is only tightened and passions are heating up. The conclusion suggests itself by the CIA with the former Warsaw Pact countries in terms of brainwashing did not work poorly that even countries such as Bulgaria put sticks in the wheels of Russia. It is very sad that such things have a place to be.
    1. 23 region
      23 region 26 August 2014 16: 09
      +2
      Quote: Federal
      It is unfortunate that Poland has taken such a rabid anti-Russian course, which is typical according to media reports, this course is only tightened and passions are heating up. The conclusion suggests itself by the CIA with the former Warsaw Pact countries in terms of brainwashing did not work poorly that even countries such as Bulgaria put sticks in the wheels of Russia. It is very sad that such things have a place to be.

      Poland took such a course as early as 1918. Here is an example for you to think about:
      - "Panna Lipinskaya wrote a book" If I forget about them? ", In which the episode from the battles for Grodno in September 1939 is painted in color. There, Soviet tankmen crucified a Polish boy on the armor of a tank:" A crucified child is on the armor of the tank. Boy. (. ..) Blood flows from his wounds in streams. (...) A black tanker with a Browning jumps out of the tank, followed by a second. He threatens with his fist, shouts, accuses us and the boy of something. (...) The boy's eyes are full of fear. and torment. With boundless trust he gives himself to us. (...) We run away. The boy has five bullet wounds. He wants to see his mother ... He went into battle, threw a bottle of gasoline on the tank, but did not set it on fire, failed. .. They jumped out of the tank, beat me, wanted to kill, and then tied them to the tank. "
      The tale of pannas Lipinski caused a storm of delight in Poland. The mass media published a bunch of testimonies of anonymous witnesses of how Soviet tankers massively used children as human shields.
      The fairy-tale hero Lipinskaya soon gained a name - Tadeusz Yasinsky, and now ... in 2007, activists of the Union of Poles of Belarus found the hero’s grave in a cemetery in Grodno and erected a monument.
      In connection with the “70th anniversary of Russia's aggression against Poland,” Polish President Lech Kaczynski decided: “For outstanding contribution to the cause of the independence of the Republic of Poland and heroism during the defense of Grodno in 1939, reward: The Commander’s Cross of the Order of the Renaissance of Poland, posthumously Tadeusz Jasinsky” .
    2. Bosk
      Bosk 26 August 2014 19: 56
      0
      Forgot to add that they still have "moods" -anti Lithuanian, anti German, anti Austrian, anti Czech well, and some other kind of card there, too lazy to get.
  9. DMB-75
    DMB-75 26 August 2014 14: 42
    +1
    ... I often go there, as I live nearby, like kokly youth of zombies, but the elderly all support Russia, they may come to their senses!
    1. arch_kate3
      arch_kate3 26 August 2014 15: 52
      +2
      "Drunk - will sleep it off, drunk - never ..."
    2. 225chay
      225chay 26 August 2014 23: 17
      0
      Quote: DMB-75
      I live nearby, like kokly youth of zombies, but the elderly all support Russia, they can come to their senses!


      The pans will not come to their senses ... If they do not "remember" - to refresh her Polish memory with a club or reins along the ridge!
  10. Bronik
    Bronik 26 August 2014 14: 42
    +1
    The sounds of Polish speech are very similar to the hiss of a snake. Psheki have always been "two-faced anus". Meanness and deceit are their credo.
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 August 2014 14: 51
    0
    The Poles have always hated Russia. At the gene level. And the Germans took advantage of it. The same hatred is now being brought up in dill. It seemed that the Poles took advantage of it. And they were horrified by the result.
    1. 23 region
      23 region 26 August 2014 16: 19
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The Poles have always hated Russia. At the gene level.

      What do the Poles want from Russia? The Polish newspaper “Gazeta Wyborcza” published an article “Complex of Russia”. Its author - international journalist Petr Skveczynski is the chairman of the Polish Press Agency (PAP).

      In the article, the author admits that, in fact, no matter how positive steps the Russian side takes in Polish-Russian relations, they will still not receive approval in Poland. “As for the Russian government, it may seem that its only solution, which could satisfy the Poles, would be to proclaim the dissolution of their own state and call on their own citizens to commit suicide in droves. Then everyone would be satisfied over the Vistula. ”
  12. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 26 August 2014 14: 52
    +1
    Quote: Federal
    It is unfortunate that Poland has taken such a rabid anti-Russian course, which is typical according to media reports, this course is only tightened and passions are heating up.


    But unless it was different, unless there was a time when Poland burned with love for Russia, whoever started to yap at Russia, Poland was the first in the singing and even during the social camp the most hostile attitude towards Russia was in Poland in comparison with other countries of the social camp.
  13. Support
    Support 26 August 2014 14: 53
    +3
    They still did not answer for the genocide of Russian prisoners of war in the 20s of the 20th century .... not yet an evening ...
  14. Rigla
    Rigla 26 August 2014 15: 19
    0
    Psheki are the everlasting enemies of Russia, we must not forget this.

    Guys, discard the link where the last review of the combat map is.
  15. Dimy4
    Dimy4 26 August 2014 15: 25
    +1
    Can the dramatic history of Poland, which one should never try to rewrite, serve as a warning to the Poles?

    The lessons of history are characteristic in that they teach nothing to anyone. And generations step by step on the same rake. Alas.
  16. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 26 August 2014 15: 28
    +4
    The history of Poland is the tragedy of a little man with an overpriced cost, with excellent appetite, but a short stomach. fool
  17. sigdoc
    sigdoc 26 August 2014 15: 38
    +2
    Funny Rezun calls her in "Icebreaker" - "poor thing Poland"
  18. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 26 August 2014 15: 49
    +6
    Well, what can I say, everything has long been said:

    Polish tanks 7TR enter the Czech city of Tesin (Cieszyn). October 1938 of the year

    The Poles replace the Czech name of the city with the Polish name at the city’s railway station in the city of Tesin.

    Polish soldiers pose with the Czechoslovak coat of arms deposed near the telephone and telegraph building they seized during Operation Zaluzhe in the Czech village of Ligotka Kameralna-Polish, Komorní Lhotka-Czech., Located near the town of Teszyn.


    Handshake of Polish Marshal Edward Rydz-Smiglá and German Attache Colonel Bogislaw von Studnitz at the Independence Day parade in Warsaw on November 11 1938 of the year. The photograph is notable for the fact that the Polish parade was especially tied to the capture of Tesinska Silesia a month earlier. A convoy of Teshinsky Poles was specially held at the parade, and in Germany on the eve of 9 to 10 on November 1938, the so-called “Kristallnacht”, the first mass action of direct physical violence against Jews in the Third Reich, took place.

    Units of the Polish 10-th horse-rifle regiment of the 10-th mechanized brigade are preparing for the solemn parade in front of the regiment commander over the end of Operation Zaluzhie (occupation of Czechoslovak territories).

    Brotherhood of soldiers of the Hungarian and Polish occupation forces in captured Czechoslovakia.
  19. dmb
    dmb 26 August 2014 15: 58
    +3
    Oh, those nasty Poles. Yes, I am ready to give ten Russian Gorbachevs, Yeltsins and Grachevs for one Pole Rokossovsky. The fellow citizens who throw mud at the whole people are absolutely no different from the Svidomo, yelling "yaku on gilyaku".
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 26 August 2014 18: 27
      0
      Quote: dmb
      Yes, I’m ready to give a dozen Russians for one Pole Rokossovsky

      Konstantin Konstantinovich’s mother was Russian.
      1. dmb
        dmb 26 August 2014 21: 25
        0
        So what? The scoundrels I listed as Russians were usually popes.
  20. pensioner
    pensioner 26 August 2014 15: 59
    +5
    Some of the historians (I don't remember who ...) said something like this: "History is a path for a nation on its way to the future."
    Watching what is happening in Ukraine, I often recall this phrase. They forgot their story and that’s all: they have strayed from the path, wandered into the thickets with windbreaks, which you can wander along for a very long time, and you can get out of there only once again having found this path, i.e. remembering his historical essence again.
  21. RAE8
    RAE8 26 August 2014 17: 34
    0
    Poles, so historically, are the eternal enemies of the Ukrainians, in the first place.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 26 August 2014 19: 46
      0
      Quote: RAE8
      Poles, so historically, are the eternal enemies of the Ukrainians, in the first place.

      The Poles, together with the Austro-Hungarians and the Catholic Church on the temporarily controlled by them (including the occupied) Russian lands, in general, they (the Ukrainians) and their language (Zapadensky surzhik) created from the cowardly part of the Russians, as "not Russians".
  22. borru74
    borru74 26 August 2014 17: 35
    +1
    Working in Central and Central Asia in the 90s. He was in contact with the official duties of the employees of the Polish embassy when there were no employees of the embassies of the USA, Germany, Great Britain, France. The Poles were normal people, their Slavs were on the board. But as soon as anyone of the above was mentioned, then S ... ki su .... and Snakes are snakes (sorry for the expression, but you won’t say anything else). fool
  23. isker
    isker 26 August 2014 17: 59
    +2
    Ukraine and Poland - down twin brothers!
    and for those and for those, the days of their anger prevail: Ukraine hasn’t died yet; Polish did not disappear ...
    And although "they did not die" and "did not disappear", but in the population of these countries (it is difficult to call it a people) - like a pain in the ass - there is a thought that "a scribe has come to the country" and therefore they can only flap, it is important puffing out cheeks and protruding breasts - still here, still breathing!
    The population is completely and completely accustomed to the death of their country, but what is next and where to flee from their native farm is still not clear ... There is no national spirit - there is no country ... this cannot be fixed! and therefore - no matter how the state system — the federation there or whatever voluntarism — is all one and the same - there’s no way to make candy out of it, even with all the skill Poroshenko!
    So you can safely erase both Ukraine and Poland with geo-maps, and even the Baltic states - live no more than 10 years, which cannot but rejoice!
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 26 August 2014 20: 06
      +1
      Quote: isker
      Ukraine and Poland - down twin brothers!
      ...

      Both of them have the Jesuit ears of the Vatican sticking out from behind, and the Poles and Ukrainians are the Vatican project for the expansion of papism (Catholic heresy) beyond the boundaries of the Latin "civilized world."
    2. artalex32010
      artalex32010 27 August 2014 22: 29
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      Yes, I agree, Poland since 1918 has turned into an eternally embittered and gritting state, with an incredibly overpriced PMC. And Ukraine took all these qualities from the Poles and even inflated them, including the so-called "Svidomo" and "Nezalezhnosti".
  24. captain
    captain 26 August 2014 18: 27
    +2
    I liked everything, but I want to correct the author, not from the moment of leaving the Russian Empire the confrontation of Poland and Russia began, but much earlier. Some rebellions of 1830-31 and 1863 are worth something. And this must be remembered by the Russians. With our soldiers there was no ceremony.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 26 August 2014 20: 51
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      Quote: captain
      I liked everything, but I want to correct the author, not from the moment of leaving the Russian Empire the confrontation of Poland and Russia began, but much earlier. Some rebellions of 1830-31 and 1863 are worth something. And this must be remembered by the Russians. With our soldiers there was no ceremony.

      It all started much earlier, in the early Middle Ages (XI-XIV centuries), with self-isolation from the single Christian church of the Catholic heresy (papism with its claims to the ultimate truth and the unlimited power of the Roman Popes) and the conclusion of the papal chain dog - The Jesuit Order of the First Unions in Poland, which was still half Orthodox at that time and still partially pagan Lithuania. All Russophobia of both Poles and Ukrainian Ukrainians from there, from the expansionist aspirations of the papacy and its knightly orders (a medieval pseudo-Christian analogue of the current radical Islamists). Everything from their (pope and their servants) greedy hatred, first to Byzantium, and then to her heiress, Orthodox Russia, disobedient to them (Muscovy, Russia), as well as to other countries and peoples not controlled by the Vatican. The Vatican is no longer the same, but its weed seeds, even mutating (Protestantism) continue to infect all the lands and peoples that fall on unstable and faint-hearted people who are seriously ill with betrayal and servility to the supposedly civilized West, living by deception, or even robbing the weaker ones. All slaves are eager to become masters of slaves.
  25. vigor1288
    vigor1288 26 August 2014 21: 25
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    The Poles, like the Baltic states, do not remember history, but it's a pity. Prostitutes.
  26. colonel manuch
    colonel manuch 26 August 2014 23: 07
    +1
    Psheki quickly forgot to whom they owe their lives and rebirth. It's a shame that we tore ourselves away from ourselves, sometimes malnourished, everyone tried to help the "brothers", although what kind of brothers are they to us? Read the story - these ki constantly tried to fight with Russia, and we constantly, instead of assimilating them back in those years, at the last moment always pitied them, called them brothers-Slavs. But only during the liberation of Poland, the Soviet Army paid with more than 600 lives thousands of our soldiers and officers. They also forgot about how many Poles Bandera killed, massacred and burned during the years of occupation. The time has come in schools to tell the truth, not truncated and cut into slices, but the one that was written in blood from century to century. Maybe our "shitcrats" will see
  27. Diter
    Diter 26 August 2014 23: 59
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    Quote: Cadet787
    Polish General: Without NATO, Russia will conquer Poland in three days.
    The Polish army is in a terrible state and without NATO support it will be able to withstand the Russian offensive for hardly a few days. This was stated in an interview with Wprost magazine by the former Deputy Minister of Defense of Poland, General Voldemar Skzipczak.

    Yes, they need Russia as a hare stop signal.