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The fate of the IL-114 will be decided before the beginning of September

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21 July in Samara, a meeting dedicated to the socio-economic development of the Samara region. The event was attended by the leaders of the country and several departments, including Russian President Vladimir Putin and Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin. Among other topics at the meeting, the future of Samara aircraft manufacturers was touched upon. 11 August on the official website of the President published a document entitled "The list of instructions following the meeting on the socio-economic development of the Samara region." In one of the paragraphs of this document, the government, the Ministry of Defense and Industry are instructed to evaluate one of the proposed projects.



Until September 1, it is required to “evaluate the feasibility of deploying mass production of Il-114 aircraft.” Samara is proposed as a site for the construction of these aircraft aviation Aviakor factory. The planes are supposed to be built for the needs of the Ministry of Defense and civil aviation. Responsible for the execution of the assignment were appointed Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu and Presidential Envoy to the Volga Federal District Mikhail Babich.

During the July meeting, the topic of building the Il-114 aircraft was raised by the general director of the Aviakor plant, Alexey Gusev. He said that in his newest stories The Samara enterprise independently and without the help of the state has mastered the production of An-140 aircraft. Nevertheless, recent events in Ukraine can put an end to this project, which is why Samara specialists have to look for alternatives. Now Samara is considering two projects that can replace the An-140: the construction of Il-114 passenger planes and the deployment of a center for the maintenance of aircraft, including foreign ones.

In the case of the construction of IL-114 aircraft, the Aviakor management relies on customers in the person of the Ministry of Defense, as well as on regional transportation, where an aircraft to 64 locations can be useful. In addition, the company's management wants to build an aircraft service center and brings several arguments in favor of this proposal. First of all, it is noted that the service center in Samara will allow air carriers not to send equipment for repair abroad, thereby reducing the cost of necessary work. In addition, the company's airfield, currently not used by air carriers, can be converted to an airport for regional airlines.

V. Putin specified some nuances of a possible renewal of the airfield of the Aviakor plant and its use as civilian. However, much more interest of the head of state was caused by the proposal to start building the IL-114 aircraft. In the early nineties, this plane could already go into the series, but the collapse of the Soviet Union thwarted these plans. IL-114 should have been built on the Tashkent Aviation Production Association, which by now has virtually ceased to exist. Now it is proposed to re-start the construction of promising technology.

During the discussion of the topic of starting the production of IL-114 aircraft at the Samara aircraft plant, V. Putin first asked about the engines that are proposed to be installed on airliners. A. Gusev replied that IL-114 will be equipped with TV7-117 engines manufactured in Russia. Thus, already at the discussion stage, the construction project of the IL-114 turns out to be independent of Ukrainian turboprop engines, which is a great advantage in the light of recent events.

The president also raised the topic of the start of production. He recalled that the development of the construction of a new modification of the IL-76 aircraft at the Russian enterprise Aviastar-SP in Ulyanovsk took six years. According to the general director of the Aviakor plant, the production of the aircraft is planned to begin using the backlog left at the Tashkent aircraft factory. In his workshops, there are about 10 uncompleted aircraft, which are supposed to be transported to Samara and complete all the necessary work. At the same time, work will begin on the "digitization" of the aircraft. IL-114 should get new electronic equipment and a number of new systems. It will take about five years to master the production of a new modification, since this is quite a challenge.

A. Gusev noted that the specialists of Aviakor and the Ilyushin company had already carried out an analysis of the project and determined its approximate cost. On the development of production, updating the project, certification and all the necessary preparatory work will take about 10-12 billion rubles. This amount includes the cost of two additional aircraft to be used for certification. They are supposed to be fully built in Samara, without using units and units brought from Uzbekistan.

According to V. Putin, the amount in 12 billions is significant, but on the scale of such a project is acceptable. To start work, a consolidated order is required, which will allow Aviakor to begin preparations for transporting unfinished aircraft and assembling ready-made aircraft.

Denis Manturov, Minister of Industry and Trade, expressed his opinion on the start of construction of new aircraft at a Russian enterprise. He did not confirm the figures mentioned by A. Gusev, because at that time he did not have the necessary information. At the same time, the minister noted that the order of the Ministry of Defense is the key point in the start of the construction of the IL-114. D. Manturov expressed his willingness to work through the issue and calculate the economic side of the project.

Deputy Prime Minister D. Rogozin also expressed his views on the proposed project. He recalled that the IL-114 proposal had already been considered. The analysis used information on the operation of these aircraft by airlines of Uzbekistan and Russia. Such an aircraft is really needed by carriers, and all alternatives to it are of foreign origin. In addition, we need a state order. The Vice Prime Minister considered the proposal interesting and called it necessary to analyze his prospects.

According to the results of the meeting in Samara, a list of instructions was drawn up, which, among other things, included requirements for analyzing the prospects for the production of Il-114 aircraft. Results of the analysis should be submitted to 1 September. Thus, in the very near future, the leadership of the industry and the government of the country will determine whether it is necessary to master the production of new aircraft.

Meanwhile, the management of the Aviakor plant completed its part of the necessary work. Not so long ago, it decided to start the serial construction of the IL-114, and also approved the so-called. project roadmap. The further fate of the project will depend on the results of the verification of its prospects. If funding for the construction of the aircraft is approved, and the Ministry of Defense expresses a desire to order a certain number of IL-114 aircraft, then over the next few years the first aircraft built at the new location will be rolled out of the assembly shop of the Aviakor plant.

Samara aircraft manufacturers are ready to start building new aircraft. While they are stopped by a lack of finances and the lack of orders. In the very near future, by the end of the month, industry leaders and the government should check the prospects of this project and announce their decision. The project evaluation instruction must be completed by September 1.


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  1. Eustace
    Eustace 26 August 2014 09: 36
    +32
    It is high time for us to restore our aircraft manufacturing industry.
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 26 August 2014 10: 15
      +4
      but there is also a completely different "opinion" at the top
      http://warfiles.ru/66561-na-samolete-my-vernemsya-v-sssr.html
      1. malikszh
        malikszh 26 August 2014 11: 07
        +13
        It is not necessary that the planes fly abroad the domestic market is enough for such small planes.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 26 August 2014 11: 11
          +3
          Quote: malikszh
          It is not necessary that the planes fly abroad the domestic market is enough for such small planes.


          Main parameter price + operating price + passenger capacity
          1. Edvagan
            Edvagan 26 August 2014 15: 11
            +3
            + security !!!!!!!!
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 26 August 2014 20: 48
              +3
              Quote: Edvagan
              safety!!!!!!!!

              And this is how we will rivet! And in general, I always said, as soon as the expressions "x with him" and "his mother e" disappear from our language - the country will make a colossal leap forward! Unfortunately, their (expressions) is not getting smaller!
              1. smurnoi
                smurnoi 26 August 2014 21: 43
                0
                "Plus or minus the tram stop", "Shoot from it or something." There is enough mess in mechanical engineering. The new generation has no independent thinking at all, with rare exceptions. And the main thing is that when you pay attention to this, the answer follows: - And in figs I need this ?! Some "American pilots" ...
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 26 August 2014 20: 46
          +1
          Quote: malikszh
          It is not necessary that the planes fly abroad the domestic market is enough for such small planes.

          Normal apparatus, a very necessary replacement for the An – 24, Tu – 134 and Yak – 40.
        3. Zuborez
          Zuborez 26 August 2014 22: 49
          0
          There is the concept of LA certification. For civilian vehicles, the requirements are much higher than for military vehicles.
      2. svp67
        svp67 26 August 2014 16: 08
        +8
        Quote: Ivan Petrovich
        but there is also a completely different "opinion" at the top
        It would be good if those who have this "opinion" would be carefully checked in terms of corruption ... Today, everyone who offers to buy foreign aircraft, willingly or not, "pours water on someone else's mill, to the detriment of their own." It is necessary to keep such purchases to a minimum ...
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 26 August 2014 20: 57
          0
          Quote: svp67
          It is necessary to minimize such purchases ...

          Let's get it down, but on the 30th I fly to Italy on A-320 ...
        2. Korvin1000
          Korvin1000 30 August 2014 11: 40
          0
          I agree. But all such factors are there, which say that our aircraft industry is lagging behind
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Ivan Petrovich
          but there is also a completely different "opinion" at the top
          It would be good if those who have this "opinion" would be carefully checked in terms of corruption ... Today, everyone who offers to buy foreign aircraft, willingly or not, "pours water on someone else's mill, to the detriment of their own." It is necessary to keep such purchases to a minimum ...

          I agree. But all such factors are there, which say that our aircraft industry is lagging behind
    2. Zhekson
      Zhekson 26 August 2014 10: 30
      +16
      not so easy. Boeing and Airbus are lobbying their interests around the world and across floors. They will find problems with the environmental friendliness of engines, power, seats, etc.
      Now we need to act tough. To set the task to this dude who ruined the aircraft industry, by the way, he is now in power so that he can restore it back. But he won’t be able- prison and bread with water ..
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich 26 August 2014 11: 13
        +9
        cool :) but it won’t restore! :) that’s the catch of this power
        1. 406ppm2gv
          406ppm2gv 26 August 2014 21: 01
          0
          I agree completely, not for this.
      2. Samy
        Samy 26 August 2014 11: 21
        +3
        Boeing and Airbus do not make aircraft of this dimension.
        1. Zhekson
          Zhekson 26 August 2014 11: 32
          0
          yes it’s clear that 65 people are domestic flights, but why fly on international flights?
          1. 406ppm2gv
            406ppm2gv 26 August 2014 21: 02
            +2
            TU-204SM, IL-96-400.
      3. gray
        gray 26 August 2014 14: 29
        0
        Look at the link that Ivan Petrovich gave you, everything is said there. http://warfiles.ru/66561-na-samolete-my-vernemsya-v-sssr.html
      4. Bayonet
        Bayonet 26 August 2014 21: 04
        +1
        Quote: Zhekson
        m. They will find problems with the environmental friendliness of engines, power, seats, etc.

        And why should not we strive for environmental friendliness, nutrition, comfortable chairs ??? It's time to get out of the category of developing countries. Lovers of quilted jackets, of course this is not to understand! Minusralshchikov anonymous - please justify your denial.
      5. Artem1967
        Artem1967 26 August 2014 21: 21
        +3
        "Arguments of the week" for 10 years have been fighting for the revival of the Russian aircraft industry, exposing the crooks who killed it. All the names are known, and now they are reporting to Putin how they will courageously raise the Russian aviation. Until the thunder (sanctions) struck, they didn't even scratch. What else must happen for these b.rans to end up in the Kolyma with confiscation? And, Mr. President, where has your statesmanship been all these years?
      6. StolzSS
        StolzSS 26 August 2014 21: 43
        0
        Bread and water eco you are a humanist :) No bread, rutabaga stew and moldy crackers - this is the prospect for a fine manager and his family ... hi
    3. Juborg
      Juborg 26 August 2014 16: 06
      +7
      Russia as air needs its own aviation, its own maintenance centers, independent of the Westerners, their sanctions and blackmail. Stop flying on worn out equipment from under the priests of the bourgeois. It's time to take Ana to Russia. Where have our carcasses gone, ily? The revival of the Russian Aviation is a matter of reviving the fatherland.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 26 August 2014 21: 11
        +1
        Quote: juborg
        . Stop flying on worn out equipment from under the priests of the bourgeois

        I agree with you dear, stop flying on a worn technique, but the fact is that this technique flies, and ours (equivalent) is now available - NO. Unfortunately! But you won’t fly on slogans!
    4. timer
      timer 27 August 2014 00: 10
      +2
      I agree with the koment 100%. Moreover, I’ll add on my own - you don’t have to lag behind, but move to a new qualitative level of design and construction of aircraft in order to compete in the world market with dignity. It’s necessary to bring to justice those bureaucrats who lobby (for loot) the interests of Western aircraft manufacturers as traitors and thieves. And much more is needed, necessary, ...! Our leadership of the country, in addition to shaking off on television, really does nothing. As an example, the purchase Aeroflot Boeing parties. How to understand this? Fish is rotting from the head, there is such a popular proverb. Here we have a head and rotten!
  2. father nikon
    father nikon 26 August 2014 09: 41
    +7
    Ukroin slammed her aviation happiness, give the green light to the Russian IL-114!
    1. Denis
      Denis 26 August 2014 10: 45
      0
      Quote: Father Nikon
      Ukroin slammed her aviation happiness

      Direct World Aviation Power lol
      Here are just some special relations with passenger planes. Tu-154, Boeing, do they have a cannibalistic habit?
      And with An, let them jump on ..., is that them?
      All from the USSR, they make tanks and armored personnel carriers of which they did not develop
  3. Wedmak
    Wedmak 26 August 2014 09: 45
    +2
    If An-140 ceases to produce, is IL the only alternative? But An is turbojet, and Il is turboprop, as it were, slightly different classes.
    1. zennon
      zennon 26 August 2014 10: 10
      +7
      Quote: Wedmak
      But An is turbojet, and Il is turboprop, as it were, slightly different classes.

      It doesn't matter what color the cat is black or white. If only it catches mice!
      1. serega.fedotov
        serega.fedotov 26 August 2014 10: 38
        +7
        Turboprop engines are more economical - which is preferable for regional flights. Since our people are not very rich, a thousand or two savings will not hurt!
        1. FID
          FID 26 August 2014 12: 20
          +7
          Quote: serega.fedotov
          Turboprop engines are more economical - which is preferable for regional flights. Since our people are not very rich, a thousand or two savings will not hurt!

          The ticket price is 30 percent of kerosene, everything else is the cost of maintaining the aircraft (maintenance, repairs, etc.), airfield services (and our airports are mostly private), so not everything is so smooth ...
          1. samoletil18
            samoletil18 26 August 2014 20: 45
            +2
            Quote: SSI
            so not everything is so smooth ...

            They flew somehow ten with them on 737-400 from Vnukovo. And here the capacity is 3 times less, that is, costs of this kind will be put less in the cost of tickets.
    2. FID
      FID 26 August 2014 12: 17
      +4
      Quote: Wedmak
      But An is turbojet, and Il is turboprop, as it were, slightly different classes.

      I apologize, have you mixed up with An-148? An-140 - ordinary turboprop ...
      1. avt
        avt 26 August 2014 12: 38
        +3
        Quote: Wedmak
        But An is turbojet, and Il is turboprop, as it were, slightly different classes.

        Quote: SSI
        I apologize, have you mixed up with An-148? An-140 - ordinary turboprop ...

        In, in! Just beguiled. But in general, God forbid if all the same 114th run! After all, the machine was ready and already circled in operation! I wish the Canadians still held sanctions with their scorers bully , then they’ll definitely launch it. Again, the plane from the Livanovs-Ragozins clan, maybe they’ll sell it.
        1. FID
          FID 26 August 2014 12: 44
          +11
          Quite right - a finished and flown around, and moreover - a CERTIFIED car, and Ilyushin’s cars were always RELIABLE ...
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 26 August 2014 16: 17
            +1
            Quote: SSI
            ready-made and circled, and moreover, a CERTIFIED car, and Ilyushin’s cars were always RELIABLE ...

            Sergey, good day.
            hi
            - What do you think, how realistic is it to establish serial production of the updated IL-114 at Aviakor?
            - If they fill up with their money, then in what terms in time they will restore equipment, technology and the level of training of specialists?
            - How reasonable are these costs? Are there any other machines of this class prepared for serial production or is the IL-114 preferable?
            1. FID
              FID 26 August 2014 17: 09
              +4

              - What do you think, how realistic is it to establish serial production of the updated IL-114 at Aviakor?


              There are no similar ones (except for the An-140, but given the recent events ...), they will be launched in 2-3 years, no problem, there are enough workers in Samara ...
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 26 August 2014 17: 44
                +2
                Quote: SSI
                years through 2-3 will launch, no problem, there are enough workers in Samara ...

                Thanks for the info, Sergey.

                Well, since this is a reasonable step ...
                Then - good luck to EVERYONE who will put this aircraft on the wing and launch in a series.
                drinks
                1. FID
                  FID 26 August 2014 18: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  Thanks for the info, Sergey

                  Always happy!
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 26 August 2014 21: 31
            0
            Quote: SSI
            and Ilyushin’s cars were always RELIABLE ...

            Yes, yes! Always the first persons of the country flew to Ilah! Ps Nikita Khrushchev really once flew in. USA on the Tu-114.
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 26 August 2014 15: 49
        +1
        Yes, for sure, confused a little.
    3. IAlex
      IAlex 26 August 2014 15: 01
      +3
      There will be another IL-214 turbojet. It was planned to start producing IL-114 and IL-2014 instead of An-148 and An-70, but for the sake of friendship between the peoples, Il projects were frozen and donated almost a billion bucks to Antonov’s plant, as a result, Ukrainians have an airplane for our money, because they invest their own and didn’t, but we have two frozen projects without grandmas ...
      The coolest thing is that no one forcibly forces airlines to buy domestic planes instead of the same imported garbage dumps, although there have already been three attempts to pass the "2 to 1" law (ie bought 2 domestic aircraft, you can buy one foreign), as a result this law was constantly disappearing somewhere ...
      1. FID
        FID 26 August 2014 15: 13
        +2
        Well, about the An-148 you are in vain ... A very good car and almost all Vitally important systems - Russian. Ukrainians will not release anything without us. I suspect that the 6 An-158 (for Cuba) will be the last vehicles released in Kiev ...
        1. Zuborez
          Zuborez 26 August 2014 22: 54
          0
          So Voronezh already serially (finely)) drives them and gives Kozhugetovich loot.
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet 26 August 2014 21: 26
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      But An is turbojet, and Il is turboprop, as it were, slightly different classes.

      Turboprop engines are more economical and naturally this affects prices. On short-haul transport, this is the best option.
      1. Zuborez
        Zuborez 26 August 2014 22: 20
        0
        If you troll the imperialists with ecology, then a turboprop will always be less noisy than a turbojet. The bypass ratio is a loose concept)).
        1. 52
          52 28 August 2014 15: 44
          0
          Alas, this is not always the case! Have you ever attended the launch of the An-26? If something is "Velkamte" to the airport or an airfield, Mom will deliver it, do not worry, after that "Aurora" -emka is quite a quiet machine!
  4. saag
    saag 26 August 2014 09: 48
    +2
    Regional aviation is needed and needs a lot
    1. insafufa
      insafufa 26 August 2014 10: 56
      +2
      I agree I'm tired of shaking the bus from Ufa to Kazan more conveniently by air good
  5. jekasimf
    jekasimf 26 August 2014 09: 50
    +8
    Mdaaa. For 20 years it was possible to destroy what the USSR created for 70 years. Now the aircraft industry is being created from scratch. And then, when the roasted rooster pecked. But they were "ahead of the rest."
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 26 August 2014 10: 16
      +3
      the current government is also to blame for this as in the times of ebony and humpback
      1. 406ppm2gv
        406ppm2gv 26 August 2014 21: 06
        0
        definitely, everyone is sawing ..
    2. DMB-88
      DMB-88 26 August 2014 12: 42
      +3
      Quote: jekasimf
      Mdaaa. For 20 years it was possible to destroy what the USSR created for 70 years. Now the aircraft industry is being created from scratch. And then, when the roasted rooster pecked. But they were "ahead of the rest."


      About 350 aircraft were produced annually in the USSR, but now we are not up to twenty and are assembling on our knees!
      "Cadres are everything!"
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 26 August 2014 21: 40
      -2
      Quote: jekasimf
      .But they were "ahead of the rest of the planet."

      Well, why so, modesty decorates ... They did not do bad things, but so that "ahead of the rest of the world" is not necessary ...
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 26 August 2014 22: 23
        -2
        That damn got tired - what are you hiding, minusculer? Justify your disagreement !!! This stupidity is cheers – patriotic, sometimes it just infuriates! !!
  6. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 26 August 2014 10: 53
    +7
    As it was before. The government announced a competition for the aircraft, exhibited the necessary performance characteristics. After that, several of the most promising projects were selected, one or two copies were built, tests were carried out, and the winner was determined. Over time, specialized teams and schools arose. Transport workers began to commission An, Su and Mig fighters, etc. directly, without competitions, this reduced costs at the required level of quality. What now. Mess. Whoever has the opportunity to push his structure, he is doing this. The result is several planes of the same type and a hell of a squabble in one niche and zero in another. And it is not visible that something would change for the better. We don't hear about promising developments for twenty years ahead. Everyone is just trying to build on their Soviet groundwork. In ten years we will start to seriously lag behind, and then it will start "how did it happen?", "And who did it."
  7. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 26 August 2014 11: 00
    +3
    And in Voronezh, it’s time to build IL 96/400 passenger and cargo, and indeed in large quantities.
    A plane is such a thing that flying on its own is somehow more comfortable.
    And how do we use all the titanium - nevermind the Americans and the geyropeytsam, let them fly on plywood!
    1. Samy
      Samy 26 August 2014 11: 30
      +1
      Is there a market for the recoupment of the IL-96 program? To make a series "profitable", they need to be made about 150 pieces. Do you have engines? in order to make the IL 96 twin-engine, because the 4-engine is not economical. Analogues are being rolled up, Boeing 747, A 340 ..., instead of A 330-350, B-777-787. And the engine is much more difficult to make than the plane. And to make IL 96 2-motor means a serious alteration of the airframe, wing, etc. and so on .. but no series. What the USSR could afford, the Russian Federation can afford it. Therefore, it was decided to replace the Il - 96 with the Chinese.
      1. FID
        FID 26 August 2014 12: 31
        +5
        Quote: Samy
        for 4-motor is not economical

        Already tired of repeating ... How do you determine which engine is economical and which is not? The total thrust of TWO engines on the A-330-200 (an approximate analogue of Il-96-300) is 60 tons, passenger capacity is 240, the thrust of four PS-90 engines is 60 tons, passenger capacity is 300. As far as I understand, if you count tons per passenger kilometer , then you yourself will understand the result ... Another conversation is that MAINTENANCE 4 engines is more difficult than 2, otherwise everything is not economical, not economical ...
  8. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 26 August 2014 11: 14
    0
    Quote: Zhekson
    not so easy. Boeing and Airbus are lobbying their interests around the world and across floors. They will find problems with the environmental friendliness of engines, power, seats, etc.


    Does international transportation need international certification?
  9. rubin6286
    rubin6286 26 August 2014 11: 24
    +1
    It is a pity that in the early 90s it was not possible to establish the serial production of the Il-114. The plane is good, better and more economical than the An-24, An-74, An-140 and the foreign Bombardier. It can be used from unpaved strips and used both in civil aviation and for the needs of the Ministry of Defense and other law enforcement agencies. The Polar Aviation and the Border Service showed interest in him. Maybe they will at least now move from words to deeds, but for some reason I can't really believe it. To be honest, the An-2 is still needed as well. It remains the most profitable and demanded aircraft in all modifications and the potential for modernization has not been exhausted, and the new Gzhel and Rysachok aircraft are much more expensive and less reliable.
    1. FID
      FID 26 August 2014 12: 33
      +3
      Quote: rubin6286
      It is a pity that in the early 90s it was not possible to establish mass production of the IL-114

      Why do you think so? Serial production was established at TAPOiCh in Tashkent. The USSR cared about aviation ...
      1. rubin6286
        rubin6286 26 August 2014 23: 00
        0
        In the summer of 1992, I was at the Tashkent aircraft plant. It produced the Il-76 and the General Director told me with pride: "Look, the plant is within the city limits and for all the time not a single plane taking off from the plant's airfield fell on Tashkent!" There was no question of any serial production of the Il-114 in this memorable 1992 year.
    2. saag
      saag 26 August 2014 12: 59
      +1
      Quote: rubin6286
      need An-2

      Then An-3, Boguslaev was engaged in this business
      1. avt
        avt 26 August 2014 19: 10
        0
        Quote: saag
        Then An-3, Boguslaev was engaged in this business

        There it seems that not only the Ukrainian version, like the Russian engine was installed in Omsk and even drove it to the South Pole, but was taken out to Hercules in one direction, but the Americans immediately drew in with their similar engine, which DAM grabbed, and eventually everything died out.
      2. rubin6286
        rubin6286 26 August 2014 23: 12
        0
        The An-3 has a turboprop engine, and it needs a piston engine, the one proposed by the Americans. It is better than our M-62, which was installed on the I-16 back in the war, one and a half times more powerful than it, but oddly enough, more economical, compact, reliable, torquey and well balanced. By the way, the Rysachka, which Putin took care of, also has American engines (2 theaters), so it seems to me that the L-410 is better than producing this plane.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 27 August 2014 04: 55
          +1
          Quote: rubin6286
          He is better than our M-62,

          At Annushka stands ASH-62 IR.
    3. samoletil18
      samoletil18 26 August 2014 20: 51
      0
      Quote: rubin6286
      An-2 is also needed. It remains the most cost-effective.

      Here are just the main circulation produced in Poland.
      1. Zuborez
        Zuborez 26 August 2014 22: 46
        +1
        Two-thirds, if not more. And the bulk of the Mi1-Mi2-Mi4.
        Association "Falcon".
        And An2 became the most massive aircraft)). The Chinese daLLeko).
        In the midst of the Fritz MiGi29 GDRs were given (not immediately).
        And you’ll drive the hell out of the Poles from the MiGs. They even upgraded the type to the NATO standard there and fly.
        1. rubin6286
          rubin6286 26 August 2014 23: 28
          +1
          The Chinese have modernized the An-2 as far as they could, but the engine on it is still ours. The question of replacing the engine is ripe for them too. At least until 2018, the question of removing the machine from production is not raised. After I examined the cockpit of the Chinese Tu-16, I get the impression that all of our design bureaus and research institutes are filled with fools. The Chinese completely changed their avionics (I’m silent about the airborne weapons system) and eventually got a modern combat aircraft. The same thing happens with the Su-27. Our pilots were able to compare the samples and this comparison is not in our favor.
          As for Poland, it will gradually switch to NATO standards and replace our MiGs. The Czechs, having moved from the MiG-21 to the Grippen, say that this is already a different level, and when I asked: "So he is in a maneuverable battle at heights from 5 to 8,5 thousand meters better than the MiG? ", Received the answer:" No! "
        2. samoletil18
          samoletil18 26 August 2014 23: 37
          0
          The Chinese also did An-2, and maybe still do.
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet 26 August 2014 21: 50
      0
      Quote: rubin6286
      Can be used with unpaved strips.

      For a country where two troubles are supplemented by worthless runways - this is a great option!
  10. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 26 August 2014 11: 35
    +1
    in Samara and not so built
    1. Loginoff
      Loginoff 26 August 2014 12: 13
      +1
      Yes, if they would build their own UFO ...
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 27 August 2014 11: 44
        0
        Loginoff

        And the "UFO" (the EKIP ground plane) was built in due time!

        Still lying around nobody needs it (if they have not sold it for metal) in the shops of the destroyed Saratov Aviation Plant.
  11. frcdkfl047
    frcdkfl047 26 August 2014 12: 37
    +1
    If Russia cannot in this organization of the state provide growth opportunities as in the USSR for the development of all high-tech industries, as well as the provision of quality training and medical services, it must be recognized that the current economic model in Russia is not effective and anti-people! Make appropriate decisions and change it back to socialist! I think 90 percent of Russians support me! Moreover, legally the union exists, and Russia in its current form is an illegally created entity!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 27 August 2014 04: 59
      0
      Quote: frcdkfl047
      I think 90 percent of Russians support me!

      In vain you think so, I also do not support this option.
  12. ma_shlomha
    ma_shlomha 26 August 2014 16: 57
    +1
    And those who sleep and see themselves among the buyers Embraer ERJ-170 for the Russian Federation, will they really lick their lips silently?
    1. FID
      FID 26 August 2014 17: 45
      +2
      Quote: ma_shlomha
      And those who sleep and see themselves among the buyers Embraer ERJ-170 for the Russian Federation, will they really lick their lips silently?

      Embryo 170 jet is a different class of aircraft, but you are right, they will not lick their lips silently ... Import firms pay 10% of the contract amount in the form of commissions! Few of our officials will refuse ...
      1. ma_shlomha
        ma_shlomha 26 August 2014 17: 56
        +2
        Medvedev in an interview with CNN breaks down the myth that Putin has put in order by strengthening state power, saying that after the transition to a market of corruption, there is more corruption than there was in the USSR.
        1. FID
          FID 26 August 2014 18: 16
          +3
          Unfortunately, the current ideology is imprisoned for money, EVERYTHING decides money ... And until that changes, nothing good will come of it.
  13. andrewkor
    andrewkor 26 August 2014 19: 58
    +3
    In Tashkent, at TAPOiCH, all kinds of IL-114 options were mastered, raised on the wing and tested: passenger, transport (container), patrol (sea), AWACS. Certificates of airworthiness were obtained, such as Russian testers and military checked the aircraft in all climatic zones , only positive reviews. the car is really flying and beautiful. Only orders were needed. Before the crisis of 2008, there were dozens of customers in line (Vyborg, Engineering Company, I don’t remember exactly). In the crisis, there was no time for airplanes. Remember the past MAKS: Ilyushin has the main chips of the Il-76MF yes Il-114. In the photo to the article Il-114-100 made by order of Uzbekistan (see the flag next to the Russian one), only 7-8 pcs. - the largest series. Pratt-Whitney engine, Hamilton propellers, avionics are also western. resource the engine without removing it from the wing is twice as large as that of TVZ-117 at the beginning of the century.
    1. Zuborez
      Zuborez 26 August 2014 22: 38
      0
      At TVZ-117, domestic industry rested)).
      The only steel part (bearing sleeve of 65G) I saw on a 65 machine (TV3117C).
      At the current repair, the bushings were replaced with new ones and processed in the unit.
      On RD33 (MiG29), titanium bushings plus titanium nitride sputtering.
      Their resource is not less than other engine components.
      There were no technological problems. It’s just that aviation (especially passenger) is more and more regulated and changes need to be drawn up and coordinated with a bunch of papers with different signatures.

      But ... a new way of thinking. Change volunteers
      not found, although OGK worked on these issues.
      Threat this is not throughout the engine, but in one group (not a rotor).
      1. ma_shlomha
        ma_shlomha 28 August 2014 14: 29
        0
        Is Pratt & Whitney or Rolls-Royce cheaper in the short and medium term cost plans
        There were no technological problems. It’s just that aviation (especially passenger) is more and more regulated and changes need to be drawn up and coordinated with a bunch of papers with different signatures.

        But ... a new way of thinking. Change volunteers
        not found, although OGK worked on these issues.
        ?
  14. boris117
    boris117 26 August 2014 20: 11
    +1
    Quote: sledgehammer102
    Main parameter price + operating price + passenger capacity

    There is a parameter that is higher than these momentary profits. This state interest. Aviation is an opportunity to unite the country, the ability to communicate with distant regions. Development and recovery of the economy of the north, far east. We must build our own planes. On domestic lines, only our planes should fly and no Boeings there. The so-called "effective managers" completely destroyed our aviation. They don't see beyond their noses. These industries should be run by experts, not market accountants. Let them sell tomatoes on the market. In general, Aeroflot should be a state company. This is a strategic industry. The country is huge. And aviation determines the speed of development of entire regions in our country. Before, I could even fly to a small village by plane. And most importantly, I had enough money, even when I was a student, to fly to my girlfriend.
  15. samoletil18
    samoletil18 26 August 2014 20: 39
    0
    that the IL-114 will be equipped with TV7-117 engines manufactured in Russia.
    At the moment, this is the main thing. And another nail in the coffin of the Ukrainian economy: An = 148 and Zaporozhye motors.
  16. Justas
    Justas 26 August 2014 21: 26
    +2
    Maybe we’ll move around with our own planes around our country, otherwise it’s not going out either with our buses or with new trains or with a car, even our own bicycles
  17. Zuborez
    Zuborez 26 August 2014 22: 11
    0
    Il114 flies on Vyborg Airlines.
    In total, about 40 boards were manufactured (as of 2007).
    Engines (TV3117S (SM) ed. 65) are mass-produced and repaired at the Chernyshev MMP (plant No. 500).
    For light military transport at its base, conversations have been going on for 20 years (maybe more).
    Ilyushintsev’s glider is also serial.
    HZ that interferes.
    At MAKS2013 there was a board, quite nice and flying.
    BUT nada buy from don Pedro)).

    At the Saratov aircraft plant, Tu204-214 was mass-produced.
    And in the Far East, these machines have been in operation for more than one year.
    But the effective manager Deripaska built a market on the site of the aircraft factory.
    A machine gun is needed ...

    Threat Serially, i.e. The technological preparation of the Republic was made.
    Under the Union, for the launch of a series of orders and state awards were given.
    1. ma_shlomha
      ma_shlomha 27 August 2014 16: 01
      0
      Il114 flies on Vyborg Airlines.


      Vyborg Airlines - no. Most likely, on the Internet, fake or illiterate comments.
  18. Michael_59
    Michael_59 26 August 2014 22: 27
    +1
    Give a Russian plane!

    I propose a law for airlines you want to have regular flights to the Russian Federation - half the transportation on Russian planes. Or increased rates for all air transportation if you do not want to.

    PS The amount of funding for the state program for the development of the aviation industry:
    2013 - 78 304 053,80 thousand rubles
    2014 - 107 027 803,30 thousand rubles
    2015 - 123 520 218,40 thousand rubles
    2016 - 156 393 299,76 thousand rubles
    2017 - 166 861 618,85 thousand rubles
    2018 - 145 992 436,46 thousand rubles
    2019 - 98 361 927,58 thousand rubles
    2020 - 77 240 785,00 thousand rubles
    2021 –54 thousand rubles
    2022 - 53 935 884,96 thousand rubles
    2023 - 49 684 771,71 thousand rubles
    2024 - 46 665 989,53 thousand rubles
    2025 - 45 864 808,91 thousand rubles

    Of these, in aircraft construction:

    the amount of budget allocations (in prices of the corresponding years) is:
    2013–2025:
    85 338 373,15 thousand rubles - at the expense of the federal budget.
    Including:
    2013 - 9 092 218,40 thousand rubles
    2014 - 8 592 218,40 thousand rubles
    2015 - 8 092 218,40 thousand rubles
    2016 - 15 908 702,31 thousand rubles
    2017 - 12 240 029,63 thousand rubles
    2018 - 10 371 063,60 thousand rubles
    2019 - 8 054 537,93 thousand rubles
    2020 - 6 thousand rubles
    2021 - 1 898 729,72 thousand rubles
    2022 - 1 080 000,00 thousand rubles
    2023 - 1 080 000,00 thousand rubles
    2024 - 1 080 000,00 thousand rubles
    2025 - 1 080 000,00 thousand rubles
    1. Zuborez
      Zuborez 26 August 2014 23: 02
      0
      Enough for a Superjet?
      Or you need to chip in and add).
  19. rubin6286
    rubin6286 26 August 2014 23: 45
    +2
    Tonight, on the Vesti program, I heard that the Deputy Minister of the Aviation Industry (as it seems to me, a person who, in fact, has nothing to do with aviation (they are usually called "suckers" in everyday life) said that Russia will continue to purchase foreign aircraft , otherwise there will be nothing to fly. My grandfather also told me: “What is the pop, so is the arrival.” There is no need to think about the serial production of a modern medium-haul passenger aircraft. The release of the Il-114 is possible only if it is held within the framework of the state defense order, but this, as they say, a completely different song.
  20. Magadan
    Magadan 27 August 2014 07: 16
    +4
    "While they are stopped by the lack of finance and lack of orders ...."

    1) because finance is in US bonds (at 0.5% per annum)
    2) orders are from Boeing Corporation. Not because it’s better, but because the Americans have ordered it. A long time ago, when the son-in-law of EBN steered Aeroflot. Nothing has changed since then
    3) and in general: the state is an "ineffective owner" and there is no reason for it to invest in production, "the market will settle everything by itself", there are "effective managers" and they know better.

    I wonder how much US Ulyukaev coughs for loyalty? Or maybe some dirt on him? Or maybe he is an ideological supporter of the United States?
    Does Russia need its own aircraft industry?
    Doesn’t Russia really want to break the Boeing like an ace heating pad? Or do you think this is fantastic? And if the titanium parts ceases to be supplied, and together with China they finally begin to make their own aircraft, while jointly blocking access to their market for Western aircraft? The market of a huge kilometer of aviation communications and more than 1.5 billion people?
    Maybe it's time to ask Tough liberal economists to ask?
  21. Semenov
    Semenov 27 August 2014 08: 03
    0
    "Of course, to create such crap, all sorts of dissertations are needed, laboratories with laboratory assistants, apparatus for experiments, cleaning ladies. And you can't cut it with a file with an ax, which means you need a cool machine, a hard worker, the same, and this is again physicists, chemists and all sorts academicians. And this is all money, time, vanity ... There will, of course, return someday, but it is much easier to buy crap over the hill - give them our money, and then yell - look, we have all the best, foreign , but our engineer and laboratory assistant will go there, for our money, a laboratory will open there, and they will give him the loot, our loot, and our grandmothers will give scientists, and workers for new machines - and again in a circle - they will open, develop, make and we will be sold, and the loot - for new experiments, new machines, for new scientists, why, we are rich ... "- an excerpt from the book. The system is needed, but it was destroyed and is not going to be restored - vanity, it's cheap to buy.
  22. kr33sania
    kr33sania 27 August 2014 08: 07
    0
    The Department of Defense is not a private "I want it, I don't want it" shop. It must defend Russia not only militarily, but also economically. Therefore, there should be orders from the army! Again, remembering the USSR, new civilian planes should not be sucked in, like: "where will they go!" They really should be attractive in terms of price and quality. And then the people will reach out ...
  23. FID
    FID 27 August 2014 13: 28
    +1
    ALREADY ALL DECIDED! MEMBERS RECOGNIZED THE PLANE UNMETABLE! THE QUESTION IS CLOSED! STILL ANYONE DOUBTS DOUBLE IN THE AIRCRAFT?
    1. ma_shlomha
      ma_shlomha 27 August 2014 16: 03
      +2
      Unfortunately, the current ideology is imprisoned for money, EVERYTHING decides money ... And until that changes, nothing good will come of it.
      1. FID
        FID 27 August 2014 16: 11
        +2
        Quote: ma_shlomha
        Unfortunately, the current ideology is imprisoned for money, EVERYTHING decides money ... And until that changes, nothing good will come of it.

        It's hard to disagree with yourself!
  24. vodolaz
    vodolaz 27 August 2014 16: 01
    +1
    It is high time to release all of our own with so many enemies around and stacked internal resources.
  25. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 27 August 2014 22: 19
    0
    It is difficult to establish the production of aircraft with so many enemies within the country.
    1. 52
      52 28 August 2014 15: 53
      +1
      Or maybe you still need to start a little hang, as in the good old days with traitors? I'm not an extremist, but still ...
  26. xomaNN
    xomaNN 28 August 2014 18: 51
    0
    Is the Ilyushensk Design Bureau capable of pulling the draft of a modern aircraft now? There are personnel ruins, unfortunately belay