New systems for dynamic protection of armor will do without explosives.

JSC Research Institute of Steel - the main developer of designs for the protection of weapons and personnel in the Russian Federation - is developing a new complex of dynamic protection of armored vehicles, according to the online edition Popular mechanics.

The publication reminds that “dynamic is a type of protection of armored vehicles, which consists of metal containers containing several elements. The element consists of two layers of explosive and a thin metal plate located between them. The principle of the protection is that the containers with explosives, hung over the usual armor, explode "towards" flying projectile.

The first domestic samples appeared in 1972 g. Among them are 3 type of structures: volumetric ("Cross"), using elongated shaped charges and using flat protection elements. The last type today is implemented by almost all foreign developers.

“The main problem of dynamic protection systems using an explosive is low efficiency. This is the main reason for the search for new energy compounds for protection that can localize the release of energy only in the field of interaction with the penetrating ammunition- indicated on the site of the publication.

Today there are complexes in which explosives are not used in principle. They came to replace polycarbonate, silicone, polyurethane and other chemical compounds. For example, the screens of the foreign complex “NERA” consist of laminated plexiglass and provide anti-cumulative protection against RPGs like PG-7.

Russian Tanks Since 72, T-90 and T-2006 have been protected by the Relict effective dynamic protection complex.

Currently, specialists from OAO Research Institute of Steel are working on a new, more modern system. The publication writes that "in terms of efficiency and operational parameters, the newest Russian complexes with energy materials will surpass all existing complexes using explosives."

Comments

[Same lech]

The eternal struggle of the SWORD and SHIELD .... THE END TO THIS IS NOT SEEN.

[St Petrov]

How to fart in a puddle - At present, specialists from OJSC NII Steel are working on a new, more modern system.

What kind of system? What are the principles? Why was there a lot to write there - when in the end there is only water. Nothing.

In the world there are a lot of events lately - take time for them.

[Matrosov]

You will know a lot, quickly grow old and die ...)
patience, they will tell everything and possibly show it at the exhibition by 2017 when showing new types of armor for the Russian, I hope by that time already the Armata MBT.

[enot73]

Today there are complexes in which explosives are not used in principle. They were replaced by polycarbonate, silicone, polyurethane

In general, if it is possible to build a BTT protection on the basis of these or similar materials, can this be considered an RS? IMHO this is just a tricky screening.

[Iline]

Damn, back in the 80s he studied at the school and even then they talked about testing this system. Not even forty years have passed ...
He himself is not a tanker, but the principle seems to be based on the dispersion of a directed cumulative medium in layers with different melting points. And this is very logical. If wrong, then correct.

[Manul]

Quote: Matrosov

You will know a lot, quickly grow old and die ...)
patience, they will tell everything and possibly show it at the exhibition by 2017 when showing new types of armor for the Russian, I hope by that time already the Armata MBT.

And I agree with Petrov. Why give hope with something incomprehensible? Then it turns out that the direction was unpromising, or too expensive and it was frozen until better times .. You can roll a hundred such articles that we, they say, "are going to create shells better than Excalibur, satellites to shoot down planes and missiles, planes with a new principle of vertical takeoff." ..And not to bring N-I-W-E-G-O from the expected characteristics and the approximate principle of action ... But these are just dreams. At best, a task voiced before the design bureau. It's a pity to read such articles - the likes of which you can to draw from the Komsomolskaya Pravda (may the Komsomol forgive me)
PS The only thing that saves are comments. They are more multifaceted, more saturated with facts and more interesting for the troublemaker himself. But it turns out you don’t need to think about the article? Can I throw a bone, and overgrown with meat during the discussion ???

[svp67]

Quote: Manul

And I agree with Petrov. Why give hope with something incomprehensible?

Why it is not clear what, just understand. Improvements are still being made to Soviet developments, the so-called modular elements, who want to see, take a look at Merkava 4, they made very good use of Soviet experience.

[Manul]

Quote: svp67

Why it is not clear what, just understand. Improvements are still being made to Soviet developments, the so-called modular elements, who want to see, take a look at Merkava 4, they made very good use of Soviet experience.

And what should non-modular armor specialists do? Why is this not disclosed? Now I’m going to read about Merkava’s armor. But is it really impossible to tell the author in detail? I have no desire to offend anyone, patriots, or novice journalists. But to write an article so that everyone understands what is at stake, it still turns out to be an opportunity, and this is not a secret behind seven locks. So why, instead of a detailed analysis (with the TTX of the same Merkava given, since you can refer to it), you have to read some hints.

[nils]

The main problem is the reduction of the side effect of the EDZ explosion on the armor. Developers consistently use various low-density explosives, explosives with a low conversion rate, low-sensitivity compounds, etc.
Dmitry Kupryunin, executive director of JSC Research Institute of Steel: "In terms of efficiency and operational parameters, the new Russian complexes with new energy materials will surpass all existing complexes using explosives."

What kind of system? What are the principles? Naturally, this is not reported.
Work is underway, and good. The sooner they are adopted, the better.
The "relic" is good, but it will soon be a relic (a remnant of the past).

[MSA]

Let's see what happens

[Vasek]

The element consists of two layers of explosive and a thin metal plate sandwiched between them. The principle of operation of the protection is that containers with explosives, suspended on top of conventional armor, explode "towards" a flying projectile. "

It is said that the infantry nerada was this dynamic defense.

[Tjumenec72]

Well, it seems like the name slipped -

A new generation tandem dynamic defense will be installed on the tankMalachite”And the Afganit active defense complex with millimeter-wave radars.

[Penzyac]

Quote: c-Petrov

How to fart in a puddle - At present, specialists from OJSC NII Steel are working on a new, more modern system.

What kind of system? What are the principles? Why was there a lot to write there - when in the end there is only water. Nothing.

In the world there are a lot of events lately - take time for them.

And tell you so all at once, but show ... Are you by any chance an American shpien?

[Homo]

Quote: s-t Petrov

What kind of system? What are the principles? Why was there a lot to write there - when in the end there is only water. Nothing.

Sir are you from the CIA, Mossad? Full description with specifications, drawings, formulas?

[armageddon]

Hmm ... Everything has its time !!! We will find out and see the characteristics !!!

[dld35057]

wrote, then it is necessary. our resource also serves to disinform the enemy. did not fall to the cantor. we are honored in the Pentagon. and dossiers on each have. Fantasy-gee.

[Cadet787]

Good news.

[Giant thought]

Let's hope that the development of our designers will become truly revolutionary in the matter of dynamic protection of armor.

[vatnik.detected]

development is skolkovo?

[pasha24]

for every action there is a reaction something like this

[Mooh]

About silicone smiled. Popular mechanics in their repertoire. Not silicone and plexiglass, but the most complex modern composites. They would also have come up with rubber protection for tanks. With the slogan: "shells just bounce off our defenses."

[schizophrenic]

Quote: MooH

About silicone smiled.

Maybe I'm wrong, but the water should also deflect the cumulative charge well. If a cumulative charge gets in, a large vapor pressure will be obtained, plus the decomposition of water into oxygen and hydrogen, followed by detonation of the mixture.
So that substances with a base can also go out of the water, and the resistance to bullet breakdowns will be high.
True, I do not know the thickness of the required protection from water, which will be needed to disperse the cumulative jet.

[Mooh]

I don’t know either, I guess a few meters.

[Login_Off]

I may say stupidity, but what are the "antikomulatory screens" in the form of a lattice not satisfied with then? Water, silicone, this is the same as gratings, not much more effective.

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: MooH

About silicone smiled. Popular mechanics in their repertoire. Not silicone and plexiglass, but the most complex modern composites. They would also have come up with rubber protection for tanks. With the slogan: "shells just bounce off our defenses."

Silicone "body kit" - ATTACK weapon! (I mean in cosmetology)

[Vasek]

Quote: MooH

About silicone smiled.

Tanks in boobs?
Better boobs in the dough!

[insafufa]

Well done guys keep it up

[Mama_Cholli]

Enemies have a minimum of information, and our tankers have a maximum of protection ...

[Penzyac]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Enough information is enough for the enemies ...

That's right, let them scratch your turnips ...

[cerbuk6155]

At present, specialists from OJSC NII Steel are working on a new, more modern system. The publication writes that “in terms of efficiency and operational parameters, the latest Russian complexes with energy materials will surpass all existing complexes using explosives. Great news. Our developments are on time.

[Altona]

Well, the fact that we have bulletproof vests for the 6th class for infantry and our helmets are 400 grams lighter than imported grams is already pleasing, and if the tank is reliably protected, it will be very good ...

[lord]

All this is, yes! It’s only good that all this new and modern would be quickly introduced into the troops! And then there are developments, samples too, and soldiers are fighting in junk and junk!

[dchegrinec]

The simplest and most effective way of protection is a multilayer coating. And the composition of the material from which the layers are made is a task ..

[Balanar1986]

Russian tanks T-72 and T-90 with 2006, protects the effective complex of dynamic protection "Relic".

If it really were
Unfortunately, we just need a correction here: "Promising (or not going to series)Russian tanks ... etc.
For neither the T-72B2, nor the BMPT, nor, moreover, the T-90AM in our army, unfortunately.
So far, Contact-5 is the most up-to-date on combat machines.
And he no longer fully meets the requirements of our time.

[alekc73]

Shield and sword. This competition is thousands of years old. Now the sword wins. Let the "Research Institute of Steel" work.

[Reserve buildbat]

It would be nice to do it quickly. Materials that absorb a cumulative jet instead of explosives are somehow calmer, in my opinion

[Magic archer]

If only we could bring the Arena to the end and put the maximum possible number of complexes into the troops. Otherwise, the Jews already claim that their Trophy is the best in the world! So it turns out that ours seemed to have created KAZ earlier and the Israelis put it into operation much faster and brought it to mind .

[Mountain shooter]

And they shoot more often.

[Aleks tv]

More information would be more interesting.
He looked at the site of the Research Institute of Steel, something antivirus obscene ... well, I'll go visit scientists later.

This is no longer a remote sensing system, but a "set of mounted armor" based on new principles of protection.
Sorry for a little info.
Good luck to the nerds in the necessary developments.

[voyaka uh]

That's right. Based on new organic materials
looking for new types of passive armor.
This is promising now.

[Professor]

Quote: Aleks tv

This is no longer a remote sensing system, but a "set of mounted armor" based on new principles of protection.

One well-known tank for 30 years without dynamic protection cuts open the Middle East and is considered one of the most protected.

[dld35057]

you are the professor again. as with Georgians you have everything the best and most beautiful. and remember you = dear - that before the war in the republic of Belarus there were 3 state languages. Russian Belarusian and Hebrew. You speak Hebrew, but you don’t see the Romale, I speak pure Yiddish. And remember only Belarus will accept the people of Israel. And take care of the old, new homeland. We live together.

[dzau]

And the next flight of specialists of the research institute in Israel and other European posts, apparently, is not expected.

How will our little brothers now show off about "the latest in-house developments"? ..

[Neighbor]

Repaint, as usual, and give out for their own. This is very characteristic of them.

[Penzyac]

Quote: Neighbor

Repaint, as usual, and give out for their own. This is very characteristic of them.

Are you talking about the Chinese?

[Balanar1986]

Quote: stock buildbat

instead of explosives, it’s somehow calmer, in my opinion

The infantry, which, perhaps, will be nearby, certainly

[IAlex]

We have already reached the point in tank building over the past 23 years with fraud that Ukrainians have already bypassed their stronghold ... And the name is an effective complex of dynamic defense "Relic", probably reflects the essence of the complex, it would be better to develop and install it on tanks - Drozd and Arena, what toil about foolishness ...

[vatnik.detected]

do you really know better than "responsible" people how best to cut the budget?

[Mikola-78]

Few specifics about the new system. Many research institutes are working on something new ..

[typhoon7]

Quote: Mikola-78

Few specifics about the new system. Many research institutes are working on something new ..

I agree, I would like to see a more extensive article, with specifics and analysis of military operations, figures, developments. Of course, only that which is not a military secret.

[vatnik.detected]

military secret in our time? if the generals themselves do not sell, then the cleaner will wash away with heroic labor

[Basarev]

Well, fine. We will make our tanks the most protected in the world. In general, it is ideal to make a generally invulnerable tank, which even cannot be scratched in principle. And it seems that our scientists are succeeding.

[IAlex]

Yeah, because you can’t scratch something that isn’t ...

[demon1978]

IAlex RU Today, 18:01
We have already reached the point in tank building over the past 23 years with fraud that Ukrainians have already bypassed their stronghold ... And the name is an effective complex of dynamic defense "Relic", probably reflects the essence of the complex, it would be better to develop and install it on tanks - Drozd and Arena, what toil about foolishness ..

Yeah, because you can’t scratch something that isn’t ...

100 %% ++ You can hit an imaginary defense only with an imaginary weapon !!! and even then you’ll inflict significant damage on the figs !!! But grandmas are REAL !!! A win-win option !!!
No wonder many "developers" played KVN !!

[Klim2011]

No results, no sample, no tests. But it will be the best in the world!
News in the style of erotic fantasies.

[gregor6549]

The article is another example of thoughtless copying of the fabrications of illiterate magazines. I don’t even want to discuss where and in what illiteracy. Everything is in plain sight.

[Goldmitro]

<<< At the present time, specialists from JSC "Research Institute of Steel" are working on a new, more modern system. ......... "in terms of efficiency and operational parameters, the newest Russian complexes with energy materials will surpass all existing complexes using explosives." >>>
It’s time, perhaps, to stop the practice of declaring that this and that WILL be done, as if to report on the results already achieved! First you have to do it, then report it! After all, "competitors" do not stand still either.

[MAXUZZZ]

Whatever the news about science, then everything will be better than theirs, but then

[demon1978]

MAXUZZZ RU Today, 18:21 New
Whatever the news about science, then everything will be better than theirs, but then

But how else ??? !!! Otherwise, the grandmothers WILL NOT BE, what will they saw !!! !!! ??

[Ivan 63]

I give cheap and effective protection against cumulative ammunition, everything is simple, cheap and cheerful and does not allow the cumulative jet to burn, but even to get to the armor - you just need to hang on not the active elements, but safe wood of the required thickness, which is easier - the wooden outside tank - use it.

[Beccer]

I look here we already have our own engineers

[Igor F.]

If only they showed samples or something ... And you can say anything!

[Mol]

Quote: MooH

About silicone smiled. Popular mechanics in their repertoire. Not silicone and plexiglass, but the most complex modern composites. They would also have come up with rubber protection for tanks. With the slogan: "shells just bounce off our defenses."

On July 31, 2014 on this site there was an article "T-55AM. A new version of modernization of obsolete tanks."
http://topwar.ru/55390-t-55am-novyy-variant-modernizacii-ustarevshih-tankov.html

Here is an excerpt from it: "For additional protection of the hull, it is proposed to use removable side rubber fabric screens with dynamic protection units installed on them. "Designers can use any material - rubber, rubber, plastic, silicone - if only there is a protective effect.

[demon1978]

Mol SU Today, 18: 39

"the shells just bounce off our defenses.

Designers can put into business any material - rubber, rubber, plastic, silicone - if only there was a protective effect.

And why bother ?? !!! - at once to make INFLATABLE and all questions removed, the protective effect is MAGNIFICENT !!!

[Akvadra]

I remember in the fire classes there were tank corps without armor (so that the teacher would see the cadet). For fun, these tanks were called African. Not hot and shells fly right through without causing harm.

[MolGro]

The problem of dz is clearly already ripe (tandem charges and an increase in the efficiency of shaped charges) and the conclusions of the "scientific research" made the right ones!
The increase in efficiency by increasing the charge, which we see on the tank "Oplot" led to a circular undermining of the protection and the death of the tank!
Although the dz worked normally, but to the khan’s tank, apparently this happened due to incomplete tests when adopted in service.

[IAlex]

There is another opinion, for example, the lack of KAZ on tanks, or the small angles of defense of the KAZ lead to their loss more than a poor dynamic defense ...

[Mol]

Not a specialist in tanks, but, in my opinion, the T-64BM "Bulat" in the photo, and not the BM "Oplot" ?? Specialists, tell me ...

[MolGro]

Confused in the photo damask) but the meaning is the same!

[Aleks tv]

Quote: MolGro

The increase in efficiency by increasing the charge, which we see on the tank "Oplot" led to a circular undermining of the protection and the death of the tank!

Well, Bulat and Stronghold were confused - this is not a problem, it happens.
But to assert that this machine has a "circular undermining of protection" ... is already an overkill in thoughts, assumptions and fantasies ...
Excuse me, but you need to take more real thoughts out of your head, especially when you make statements about how to destroy this machine.

[MolGro]

Unfortunately, this is exactly so (the fighting in Ukraine showed the veracity of this idea.
An increase in dz leads to the result in the photo.
Although many will say that this is not so, but the fact is a fact, when the tank attacked, the dz exploded not only in the place of impact!

At the same time, fighting in Siri showed the possibility of alternative protection.
Dz is replaced by stones and brick chips, although it will protect against 1-2 hits. And the side screens are a sandwich from xs of which.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: MolGro

Unfortunately, this is exactly so (the fighting in Ukraine showed the veracity of this idea.
An increase in dz leads to the result in the photo.
Although many will say that this is not so, but the fact is a fact, when the tank attacked, the dz exploded not only in the place of impact!

Ida is the evidence base of this statement, or explanation.
Good to affirm.

Quote: MolGro

At the same time, fighting in Siri showed the possibility of alternative protection.
Dz is replaced by stones and brick chips, although it will protect against 1-2 hits. And the side screens are a sandwich from xs of which.

It is not necessary to assert that the forced protective measures (we also did something similar) are better than factory DZ.
The right word is not worth it if you have not used this protection PERSONALLY on armored vehicles.

[MolGro]

In September, take away the evidence base for exhibitions in Nizhny Tagil, etc.)
This is about the possibility of DZ without explosives.
And what is there to prove here he is "KNIFE" in the photo instead of 1 plate 4 with an explosive and that each of them would work like one big one increased the charge of each. As a result, in one cube dz that is attached to the armor 4 times more explosives.
And you probably don’t have to explain that during an explosion of a dz, the neighboring cells detonate with it and with an increased mass of charge it will be enough to get the neighboring dz)

And you are right about forced measures, but it works although not as good as factory designs!

[Aleks tv]

Quote: MolGro

In September, take away the evidence base for exhibitions in Nizhny Tagil, etc.)
This is about the possibility of DZ without explosives.

What kind of exhibition in Tagil in September?
Maybe I drive.

But they didn’t answer the question - why are they so sure that the Oplot exploded all external DZ ...?
Well, I'm still intrigued right ... awaiting an answer.
Curiosity is bursting ...

[Kars]

Quote: Aleks tv

But they didn’t answer the question - why are they so sure that the Oplot exploded all external DZ ...?

Not Bastion but Bulat
Photo on the other hand, it is quite possible several hits, including something howitzer, then pajar, then detonation of BC

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Kars

Not Bastion but Bulat

Damn, he corrected it himself, and now he’s gotten into trouble ...
Thank you, Andrew.

But to the question - why did he (MolGro) believe that Bulat had all of the DZ overdone with fucking detonation, he did not answer ...
It seems culturally asked questions ...

[Kars]

Quote: Aleks tv

to him he (MolGro) believes that Bulat’s whole DZ has become embarrassed with fucking detonation

in general, he believes that the detonation of DZ destroyed the tank.

Quote: MolGro

on the tank "Oplot" led to a circular undermining of protection and death of the tank!

Which is not confirmed by the photo. Even on the cheekbone of the tower where the DZ is missing the armor under it is intact, and most likely the DZ are torn so that the side and the fenders are turned around.

[MolGro]

The Ural Transport Salon Magistral-2014 will be held from September 4 to 6, 2014 at the Staratel training ground in Nizhny Tagil and will occupy more than 30 thousand square meters. m. open area, 3 thousand square meters. m. in closed pavilions and 1,5 thousand m. of rail tracks. )

Just those who shot him saw how it was)
I can’t find this post already long ago, but it was shorter there so it worked properly. The tank wasn’t broken (checked after it burned down) but it exploded.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: MolGro

Ural Transport Salon “Magistral-2014” will be held from 4 to 6 of September 2014 of the year at the Prospector

Thank you.

Quote: MolGro

Just those who shot him saw how it was)
I can’t find this post already long ago, but it was shorter there so it worked properly. The tank wasn’t broken (checked after it burned down) but it exploded.

Your explanation looks like: "two grandmas said in two"
Not worth it, not knowing the topic and not owning the question, so categorically affirm certain things.
The way you fantasize about: how "the whole DZ" detonated and because of this there was a Pilipets to the crew and the tank, it looks ... like a clown.

It’s NOT worth it to do this ... Assuming it’s always welcome, it’s not worthwhile to APPROVE as you do.

ps MolGro, I tried to be more correct in your attitude than in other cases when with an intelligent look they shine with an unfamiliar topic. Especially when it comes to the POSSIBLE death of the crew, and it doesn’t even matter what the enemy is ...
Probably because you are from "Beauty Chita", and there is no desire to cling to guran ... I have good memories of Transbaikalia.

[MolGro]

Or somewhere in September.
The only thing I know for sure was that they began to present a sample in the fall)

[Beccer]

What is the use of talking about the benefits of dynamic protection if you really can't ride? At the biathlon, they all tore into the trash. Grandfathers on 34 ke without her arrived at the Reichstag .....

[33 Watcher]

Quote: Ivan 63

I give cheap and effective protection against cumulative ammunition, everything is simple, cheap and cheerful and does not allow the cumulative jet to burn, but even to get to the armor - you just need to hang on not the active elements, but safe wood of the required thickness, which is easier - the wooden outside tank - use it.

Yeah, on top of the passive armor, a 200 mm plywood screen at a distance of 1 meter :-)

[saag]

ceramics, carbides?

[demon1978]

saag (1) SU Today, 18:57
ceramics, carbides?

dr.star75 RU Today, 19:57 New
It is necessary to envelop the tank with plasma. It’s hard to lol a bit, but which one will take a nii.

No, platinum and paladium !!!, but with the top of the pants so that they don’t take the laser !!! Here is CE_BOCHATO !!! and CREATIVE !!! Not one enemy can resist !!!

[spech]

at least they didn’t refer to the popmeha!
write such nonsense. 3 years scored on the magazine and on the site!

[dr.star75]

It is necessary to envelop the tank with plasma. Hard a bit, but some nii will attach.

[crambol]

in terms of efficiency and operational parameters, the latest Russian complexes with energy materials will surpass all existing complexes using explosives

That's when they will, then we will listen.

[Massik]

The latter type today is implemented by almost all foreign developers.

Where are the 2nd and 3rd? Who did the article, at least read what you push to the masses)

[jekasimf]

Another agitation?

[TOR2]

Quote: Balanar1986

The infantry, which, perhaps, will be nearby, certainly

The guys told in Afghanistan, as a defense, they cooked tanks and filled them out of water. And if you believe the stories saved artisanal protection. I think in this case too it is better not to stand near the infantry.

[Shadowcat]

The main thing to put is not forgotten.

[Denis fj]

it's like in the movie "War as in War" when the driver asked the mechanic, but the truth is that the Germans came up with a tank with rubber armor that shells just jump from it)))) the same thing here, but it is important that they probably work in the sweat of their brow

[rostov-dad]

Recently, the news said that our scientists invented metal stronger than steel and lighter than aluminum, but the production price is still high, in my opinion we are returning to the well-forgotten old one, increasing the thickness of the armor while increasing its quality, and this with the same weight, if not less, but if you dream then planes, helicopters and ships!

[Epizikl]

As they say: wait and see!

It is interesting to look from a technical point of view on the solution that will come!

[Fear]

Quote: Matrosov

You will know a lot, quickly grow old and die ...)
patience, they will tell everything and possibly show it at the exhibition by 2017 when showing new types of armor for the Russian, I hope by that time already the Armata MBT.

Armata is just a chassis for testing technology. The new MBT will be with an uninhabited tower and it will be called otherwise.

[Tourist Breakfast]

Looks like he is the very new kind of dynamic defense. They say the photo was taken near Donetsk:

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

Looks like he is the very new kind of dynamic defense. They say the photo was taken near Donetsk:

Not really Eugene ...

But the photo was interesting, is there anything more in detail about her?

[Tourist Breakfast]

Not really Eugene ...

I'm talking about the item to the left of the gun, if that :).

But the photo was interesting, is there anything more in detail about her?

On BMPD yesterday was:
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/967073.html

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

I'm talking about the item to the left of the gun, if that :).

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

On BMPD yesterday was:

Got it.
Thanks, Eugene.