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Will Poroshenko try to loosen the American leash and remove the collar?

Today - 26 August - a meeting will be held in the format of the Customs Union - Ukraine - EU, in which, according to the announced program, the nuances of the economic relations of the parties will be discussed after Ukraine has signed an association agreement with the European Union. But, as you know, the declared program does not always coincide with the real thematic set for discussion. Obviously, the main topic on the agenda may be the issue of resolving the conflict in the Donbass, because discussing the economy, trying to close our eyes to the ongoing bloody civil war in Ukraine, is somehow strange.

The recent successes of the New Russia army in battles against ukrosiloviki and the so-called "volunteer" detachments of the National Guard add particular acuteness to this. Several surrounding areas appeared in the conflict area at once, and several thousand Ukrainian punishers squeezed themselves in these zones. Successful military actions of the militia led to a series of defeats of ukrovoyak units in several districts of the DPR and LPR. In addition, the militia managed to break through the positions of ukrosilovikov in the area of ​​Novoazovsk and reach the shores of the Sea of ​​Azov. This gives an excellent chance to develop the offensive and come close to Mariupol - a strategically important settlement - the second most populous (450 thousand inhabitants) city of Donetsk region, city-port, the most important industrial center of the region.

Mariupol with 13 June is under the control of supporters of the Kiev junta, and the loss of this control can lead to sad consequences for the entire so-called "ATO", which is trying, out of the skin getting out, to crack the "president" Poroshenko.

Given the reports from the fronts and the losses incurred by the Ukrainian units, at a meeting in Minsk, Poroshenko is a priori “on the ground”. Obviously, this day (August 26) was not chosen by chance - the junta leader apparently decided that after celebrating Ukraine’s Independence Day, the army would simply doubt the ranks of the militia, plant ukroflagi on the administration buildings of all the cities of the southeast, and announce the “Peremog” . But Pyotr Alekseevich’s dreams turned out to be insanely far from reality, and now he will have to talk about a real cease-fire in the Donbass already, as they say, with a cool head. Unless, of course, the main "friends" of Ukraine from Washington give Poroshenko such an opportunity.
So, with what baggage is ukropresident preparing for the Minsk meeting?

First: Ukraine's GDP decline in annual terms, at least in 6,5%. (The Internet already has a joke about why svidomye Ukrainians are so happy about the fall in GDP, considering that we are talking about the Russian president ...).

The second: intimidation by the Ukrainian government of Europeans by the possibility of blocking the transit of Russian gas.

Third: devaluation of the Ukrainian hryvnia to the lowest level for the whole history this currency.

Fourth: decrease in real incomes of the population by 22-23%.

Fifth: the assignment by the international rating agencies of the credit rating of Ukraine a “garbage” level and the recognition of Ukraine by one of the poorest countries of mainland Europe (only Moldova is poorer).

The sixth: Eating huge funds from the budget by the war in the Donbas.

Seventh: serious losses of personnel and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard under during the so-called "ATO".

Eighth: growing dissatisfaction with the conduct of "ATO" among the military.

Ninth: the counter-offensive of the army of Novorossia with a series of impressive victories and the liberation of several strategically important settlements in the DPR and the LPR.

Tenth: the approach of autumn, and behind it, if Poroshenko is lucky, and winter ...

It is extremely interesting, that in such conditions the Ukrainian “leader” is going to discuss with representatives of the European Union and the CU? Well, if with the EU (and even that is not a fact), the oligarch president can still afford to push water in a mortar, hanging noodles about the pursuit of democracy and prosperity, then with Russia Alexeevich’s focus will definitely not pass. He perfectly understands that it is pointless to build a martyr hero who is already close to a big victory, for there is neither heroism nor, in fact, victories. And if so, then Poroshenko’s fate is just another begging, the game has stung when you try to hold your chin high ...

Another interesting question: did Poroshenko agree on his talks in Minsk with American advisers? There is an opinion that it could not have done without it. But, he must have agreed when the “independence” parade in Kiev was still being prepared, and therefore, on the eve of the talks, the advisers had to get involved in the work with particular intensity and change the essence of what Poroshenko would “broadcast”. I had to be included also taking into account the fact that the United States itself today opened the old-new fronts: from Iraq and Syria to Missouri. In such a situation, the US interest in Ukraine, for all the strategic importance for Washington of this direction, fades away simply by definition. For all its declared power of the United States with 17-trillion state debt is clearly not in a position to be able to reduce the situation to success on all the listed fronts that they themselves organized.

In this situation, purely hypothetical, of course, Poroshenko has a chance not to jump off the American leash completely, but to make the leash much longer, getting an opportunity for maneuver. On a long leash, the uk-president will already be able to afford to more substantively discuss the situation with the settlement of the conflict in the Donbas, as well as productive trade relations with various parties. And after all, such a situation would be in hand not only for Petro Poroshenko himself, but also for the USA: they, reassuring themselves that Poroshenko remains on a leash, can come to grips with more pressing problems for themselves than “Ukrainian democracy”. As it is known, the USA has enough problems today. The benefits of this situation can be said from the point of view of the EU. After all, the less the dependence of the Ukrainian authorities on Washington, the more chances there are to stop the war in the very center of Europe, and the more chances there are to start effective economic cooperation on the European continent. The situation is good for Russia as well - for exactly the same reasons.

Another thing is whether Poroshenko has at least some, albeit microscopic, independence, to really talk about ending the conflict in Donbas, about the federalization of Ukraine and about establishing productive relations with all its neighbors — with the EU and the Customs Union? If Poroshenko doesn't even have microscopic independence, then why the hell do you need his presence in Minsk? If independence does show up, then Poroshenko will simply by definition be forced to use it with utmost caution, because not only the United States but also the “Maidan” hang over it. The cessation of the activity of the ukroarmy and the National Guard under (if they are willing to obey Poroshenko) with one stroke of the pen will anger the henchmen from Washington, the continuation of the massacre with thousands of victims can provoke another coup that Poroshenko will not survive ... So what will Poroshenko do? Is the old favorite version of ukropresidents - again taking two chairs and trying to sit on them? .. True, in an attempt to sit at least on one of the two chairs, there will definitely be problems ...

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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 August 2014 09: 39
    ... does Poroshenko have at least some, even microscopic, independence to really talk about ending the conflict in the Donbas, about the federalization of Ukraine and about establishing productive relations with all neighbors - both with the EU and the Customs Union ?.

    Poroshenko does not have any independence and will not have it (the State Department will not allow it). Therefore, it is not worthwhile to hope for something positive during the negotiations.
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 26 August 2014 10: 05
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Poroshenko does not have any independence and will not have it (the State Department will not allow it). Therefore, it is not worthwhile to hope for something positive during the negotiations.

      The American collar is steadily turning into a noose. Poroshenko already drives the Rockefeller business.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 26 August 2014 10: 31
        The end is near ... I don't think they'll agree on anything. The State Department gave a clear instruction "War with Russia, until the last dill .." and that's it!
        1. MSA
          MSA 26 August 2014 13: 47
          Even if his leash is now weakened, and it turns out to pull out any promise from Poroshenko, then they will not have any strength. At the first need, everything will be turned upside down in order to accuse Russia of not fulfilling the agreements, we have already passed this. One can only hope for a loss of interest in Kiev from Washington.
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    3. nvv
      nvv 26 August 2014 18: 37
      Quote: rotmistr60
      ... does Poroshenko have at least some, even microscopic, independence to really talk about ending the conflict in the Donbas, about the federalization of Ukraine and about establishing productive relations with all neighbors - both with the EU and the Customs Union ?.

      Poroshenko does not have any independence and will not have it (the State Department will not allow it). Therefore, it is not worthwhile to hope for something positive during the negotiations.

      Already arrived, vouchsafed, smiled. Only one, can not squeeze out a smile.
  2. Vadivak
    Vadivak 26 August 2014 09: 41
    My subjective opinion is that Poroshenko, unlike his entourage, has brains. As Zhiglov said, "You have ten grades written on your forehead." If he gets rid of those who are on the poster, then you can negotiate with him.
    1. VICTOR-61
      VICTOR-61 26 August 2014 09: 49
      what he agrees with him as a fascist and that’s what he said, he gives orders to bomb even non-volunteers and civilians carry out punitive bans doesn’t allow humanitarian aid destroys the infrastructure, forces people to flee the country in which he was born his final tribunal Poroshenko
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 26 August 2014 10: 13
        Quote: VICTOR-61
        he gives orders to bomb even non-militia

        Do you seriously think so? Do you think the Ukrainian army can be commanded at all? This is Makhnovism in its modern form.
        1. Alex
          Alex 26 August 2014 11: 03
          Quote: Vadivak
          This is Makhnovism in its modern form.

          Rather, Petliurism - all the signs are there. Ephemeral control is still preserved, but this is only until the militias begin to simply destroy them in the hundreds. Then this whole "army" and "national guard" will turn into an uncontrollable herd of marauders, driven by animal fear to sadism. It was in Grazhdanskaya in Ukraine, when Petliura was driven: those who survived could not remember without shuddering (my grandmother was still a girl then, but she remembered how they passed through the village ...).
        2. 41 REGION
          41 REGION 26 August 2014 11: 27
          Quote: Vadivak

          Do you seriously think so? Do you think the Ukrainian army can be commanded at all? This is Makhnovism in its modern form.

          Then there was nothing to create an army if you can’t command it. Well, if you created it, be ready to answer for everything that it does
    2. djtyysq
      djtyysq 26 August 2014 10: 10
      Quote: Vadivak
      My subjective opinion is that Poroshenko, unlike his entourage, has brains. As Zhiglov said, "You have ten grades written on your forehead." If he gets rid of those who are on the poster, then you can negotiate with him.

      There may be brains, but the United States will not let Poroshenko get rid of himself! Too much money has been invested in the Ukraine project!
    3. Uriah Mushroom
      Uriah Mushroom 26 August 2014 10: 44
      I don’t think he already tasted the blood. There’s nothing to negotiate with the killer. Pro-Russian people should come to power in New Extreme.
    4. Alex
      Alex 26 August 2014 10: 58
      Quote: Vadivak
      My subjective opinion is that Poroshenko, unlike his surroundings, has brains. ...
      ... you can negotiate with him.
      I am afraid that Poroshenko has already closed all paths to a constructive dialogue with Russia: too much has been said and too much blood has been shed, moreover, at his submission and by his direct orders. This situation is akin to that of 1945: none of the sane politicians would have gone to negotiations with Himmler (at least directly). Here, only the harsh language of an ultimatum is possible: either the end of the war and recognition of the legitimate demands of Donbass, or "here is God, here is the threshold."
  3. desant_doktor
    desant_doktor 26 August 2014 09: 43
    About the title of the article. Poroshenko has no opinion of his own. It’s a big mistake to talk about him as an independent person. He is not a man, he is an android, access codes to which are in Washington. The program was clearly not written by a genius, because a piglet cannot adequately respond to a changing environment. What is the general idea of ​​negotiating with an intercom, whose opinion is not supposed in principle? The leadership of the country, of course, knows better, but judging by yesterday’s statements by Lavrov, the leadership is also not expecting too much from the negotiations. We will see.
  4. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 26 August 2014 09: 46
    there’s not a leash, but the loop is smeared with fat, horseradish will come off already and the stool is shaky.
  5. Denis
    Denis 26 August 2014 09: 47
    Poroshenko has a chance not to get off the American leash completely, but to make the leash become much longer, getting the opportunity to maneuver
    But is there any desire to take this chance?
    Not for that he climbed into power, to do something better, just to grab and burn it all with fire
    And besides, to paraphrase the Gaza Strip ... is the EU’s sweet word
    I really want to go there, on a geyropeyskiy leash. That's just the geyropa itself on whose ...
    It’s just that it won’t even work out, there is enough meat there, only lackeys are needed
    1. 41 REGION
      41 REGION 26 August 2014 11: 30
      Parashenko migrates in parts good
      1. Denis
        Denis 26 August 2014 11: 53
        Quote: 41 REGION
        Parashenko migrates in parts

        That's just not visible chocolate. Maybe brown hints at the color of the owner, or something else?
  6. avt
    avt 26 August 2014 09: 48
    "Will Poroshenko try to loosen the American leash and remove the collar?" laughing laughing On the trip, the author decided to do science fiction and began to write a fantasy novel with an article. Not for that, back in 1944, the US was picking up scraps of nationalist lackeys of the Nazis behind the Gans and in Washington they attached individual individuals of them to work in the State Department in the human rights department in Eastern Europe, so that years later some Piglet, dressed by the way in the form of a prezik for a project they control “Ukraine1991", even in my thoughts I tried to pull out not only the collar - the leash! All the rest will be reduced to the state of raguli, with the exception of a small number of helpers - Banderlog, after all, people need individuals somehow to send democratic truths to the herd.
  7. DPZ
    DPZ 26 August 2014 09: 50
    I wonder what language he will speak? on Khokhloma? lol
  8. Kapac_82
    Kapac_82 26 August 2014 10: 00
    Yes, GDP will not talk to him at all. What is the conversation with him? Let the hosts come and talk.
    1. djtyysq
      djtyysq 26 August 2014 10: 17
      Quote: Kapac_82
      Yes, GDP will not talk to him at all. What is the conversation with him? Let the hosts come and talk.

      The conversation will be, but similar to a transfusion from empty to empty. The GDP has no confidence in Poroshenko, but you should not expect anything other than promises!
  9. Russian Alex
    Russian Alex 26 August 2014 10: 12
    He had nothing to talk about with him about the war, and in power, he had just as much left before the cold weather.
    What can we talk about with a war criminal, only if we discuss the conditions of surrender.
  10. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 26 August 2014 10: 19
    The parashka is so brutal - from him they faint: a guard soldier,
    son in church, hryvnia exchange rate, incomes of the population. Soon all Ukraine will collapse! fellow
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 26 August 2014 10: 28
      It’s just that the younger one the Cunning has not yet been fixed, like a dad’s, but in the church service it became bad.
  11. Boudallino
    Boudallino 26 August 2014 10: 23
    I’m off topic, but what is the flag in Ukraine? Or they do not care wassat
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 26 August 2014 10: 30
      And what difference does it make to them. The main feast during the plague.
    2. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket 26 August 2014 10: 35
      Libertarian is more suitable, and run ahead of the engine .... am am
    3. Alex
      Alex 26 August 2014 11: 17
      Quote: Boudallino
      I’m off topic, but what is the flag in Ukraine?
      Good question. They claim to be "zhovto-blakytny" (yellow-blue / blue), calling from the bottom up. But according to the classical rules of heraldry, the color of the shield is called first (on the flags it is on top), and then the coat of arms (on the flags it is, respectively, on the bottom). It turns out that the one on the left will be correct in name, but historians say that the historical "flag of Svyatoslav" (at that time progressive mankind was not familiar with the epoch-making discoveries of the pro-Ukrainian, announced by the unforgettable President Yushchenko) was just the same as on the right (" blakytno-zhovty "), but at the same time left the old phrase as more readable. All this confusion and confusion comes from the Central Rada, which adopted the left version of the flag, and from the "hetman" Skoropadsky, who dreamed of turning Ukraine upside down with his wise rule, and began with the flag (though that was the end of it). So the mess and independence in Ukraine begins at the level of state symbols, but the main biomass of the concerned population does not know history and does not want to know, and you are absolutely right that
      don't care
      1. Boudallino
        Boudallino 26 August 2014 11: 31
        Thank you very much!!! hi
        1. Alex
          Alex 26 August 2014 12: 06
          It's my pleasure. True, this is a rather superficial answer, if you want, look for special information (there is a variety of different ones on the network), it will be quite interesting, and not only according to Ukrainian symbols.
  12. Klim2011
    Klim2011 26 August 2014 10: 34
    Thank you Alex for the article, a clear structured analysis, neither diminish nor add.
    but as always hi
  13. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 26 August 2014 11: 38
    a peace treaty behind the backs of Novorossia will be tantamount to betrayal in the establishment of Novorossia. The signing of a ceasefire will enable ukrofashists to tidy up their (relative) Armed Forces and continue the war again, because the owner (USA) will not let it slip, and to rub the nerves of Russia (after the failure of global plans for Ukraine) is always welcome. I think only an ultimatum is possible - all aircraft in the territory of Novorossia should surrender and disarm, the withdrawal of all aircraft outside the borders of New Russia and withdrawal to places of deployment, the recognition by the Ukrainians of Novorossia, the liquidation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (except for border troops), the ban on Ukraine from having aviation, missile forces, etc. d ..
    1. Patriot 1
      Patriot 1 26 August 2014 12: 30
      I fully support. Only official recognition of New Russia by Ukraine.
    2. The point
      The point 26 August 2014 15: 17
      Quote: Vlad5307
      The conclusion of a ceasefire will enable ukrofashists to put in order (relative) their armed forces and continue the war again

      A truce has already been declared once. This led to this, we all know. No faith in the fascists!
  14. Lukerya Weaver
    Lukerya Weaver 26 August 2014 11: 49
    Will not even try. He has already stated that the war in the southeast will continue. That is, Merkel with her advice has already gone sideways. And there is no particular hope for peace with the militias. By the way, the militias themselves said that they do not need any federalization of Ukraine, they demand independence and will fight for it to a victorious end. So I don’t understand at all what they will discuss at the meeting. If only the gas issue, they will bend Putin with all their might so that Gazprom will sell Ukraine the gas needed to survive the winter without paying a debt. Europe needs uninterrupted gas supplies.
  15. vodolaz
    vodolaz 26 August 2014 12: 20
    He’s a smart-ass friend, of course, but he won’t be able to be pleasing both yours and ours.
  16. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 26 August 2014 12: 51
    Powder seems to like this harness!
  17. MSA
    MSA 26 August 2014 13: 50
    My subjective opinion is that Poroshenko, unlike his entourage, has brains. As Zhiglov said, "You have ten grades written on your forehead." If he gets rid of those who are on the poster, then you can negotiate with him.

    There may be brains, but they are no longer able to use them ...
  18. alicante11
    alicante11 26 August 2014 14: 52
    No peace with the junta! At least until there is transit in Transnistria.
  19. Dimy4
    Dimy4 26 August 2014 16: 33
    How relevant the magazine looks in our time, and was released in 56 of the last century. The moral is very simple, we must never relax and believe the sweet words of the West. We all departed from this postulate in the mid-80s and, as Stalin predicted, crushed us, Russia shrank. Who needs any further proof that the desire of the Western "partners" is one thing - that you and I are not there!
  20. Camouflet
    Camouflet 26 August 2014 17: 51
    Will Poroshenko try to loosen the American leash and remove the collar?

    I didn’t read the article - the headline was enough.

    The whole history of Maidan has come to such a state that this bitch can’t live without an "American leash." Therefore, he will jump out of his underpants so that Eared (black outside, but white inside) does not throw him.
    But even if he wanted to ... So who would give him?

    Petya, it seems, already needs to think about how to perform plastic surgery on his thick erysipelas.
  21. Bob
    Bob 26 August 2014 18: 17
    So far, everything that Poroshenko has done and is doing is fulfilling decrees of the US State Department, whose interests are as follows:
    1) the destruction of a unique industrial region in the Southeast, in order to weaken Russia by tightening the previously announced rearmament program of the Russian Armed Forces
    2) disrupt the integration processes in the Eurasian space within the framework of the Customs Union, etc.
    3) tear Europe away from Russia, occupying an empty gas market, and not allowing Russia to modernize the economy through Western technology, for which a sanction mechanism has been launched
    So far, Poroshenko is "coping" with a number of tasks - the destruction of the South-East, the gas conflict with Russia, the announced integration with the EU, contrary to the interests of the Customs Union.
    However, as the title of the article says, with this policy Poroshenko clearly proves to be an agent of the State Department, but not the president of the sovereign state of Ukraine, because the interests of citizens of any country, including Ukraine, are security (military, economic, energy, information , food), the growth of the well-being of citizens, an alliance with bordering countries with which there are related historical cultural economic ties. But not a war with kindred people living in the East, but essentially a fratricidal war organized by the State Department in order to destroy the Russian world.
    Can Roroshenko stop being an agent ... and become a citizen and president of a sovereign state ...? The rhetorical question, because there was no sovereignty and no. As Germany, France do not have this sovereignty, they all have long been dancing to the same tune within the framework of the G-7, NATO, the main owner of which is the same Uncle Sam, and in fact a limited circle of financial tycoons holding the whole world in their tentacles and presidential puppets pulling strings. Poroshenko has a clear role in this play, and as soon as he ceases to perform it, he will be removed and replaced with a new doll.
    Poroshenko will not solve anything in Minsk, because the lattice has not grown. And in the announced circle of negotiators there are not even representatives of the true owners ... Therefore, V.V.P. there will be no one to negotiate at this meeting, and nothing definite and productive from the results of this meeting will be achieved.
  22. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 26 August 2014 19: 23
    It is curious how those present here are indignant about the fact that Paroshenko is an American puppet and does not pursue the interests of his people. Come on, how do you know the interests of the Ukrainian people? What makes you all think that Paroshenko does not follow the interests of his people? Just very much follows. All the herd that kicked up in the hopak on the Maidan just wants to be the hangers-on of the EU and the USA. They believe that the EU and the US will COME and put them in order! Do you smell it? They do not want to think with their own heads, do not work with their hands - they WANT the EU and the US to come and do everything for them. At the same time, they are aware that having ruined what they have created now together with Russia, they will have to suffer and, moreover, suffer quite a lot - they have no illusions about this, believe me, but they believe that in order to be "reborn" in a new "European" guise, you have to destroy everything old and be patient, and then ... and then, the "good uncles" of the EU and the US will come to them and rebuild everything, but at a new European level! Believe me, they sincerely think so. They do not want any "independence" if you tell them if you want you not to have a president and to be directly ruled by the EU or the US? -They will happily shout: "Yes! Yes! We want! Down with the president! Down with independence! Long live the EU and USA!". Fie on them, holy fools. However ... Something tells me that we also have a large, oh-large stratum of "creative intelligentsia", "managers" and so-called "entrepreneurs" in Russia, to a similar question about giving up their state sovereignty in favor of the United States and the EU would happily shout: "Yes! We do not want our sovereignty!" We refuse it! We want to always have an iPhone! McDonald's! Mercedes! and so on! "
  23. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 26 August 2014 22: 04
    Ukraine on a leash with America ??? Do not make me laugh!!! Yes, America blew her into the place loved by queers up to the eggs without lubrication, so huge that it reaches the tonsils. That excludes turning the head in different directions without the consent of the Master. With this "habit" you can hardly pull off a tractor! wassat laughing What day-to-day consultations with Fashington prove
    Sorry for the pun, but I only see it this way hi
  24. sogdianec
    sogdianec 27 August 2014 01: 18
    They can agree to anything, only there are no representatives of Novorossia in the negotiations, and therefore the last word is for the representatives of the LPR and DPR. Now there was little chance to escape the criminal Kiev regime, it is urgent to stop the ATO, start negotiations with militias and recognize the republics along the borders of the regions. Then, at the cost of losing two rebellious regions, you can maintain control of Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, etc.
    Otherwise, if there are no peace agreements with New Russia, the LPR and DNR armies will have their hands untied and they can move to Kiev and beyond. With military successes and the liberation of territories from ukrovsk, the mobresource from the army of Novorossia will grow, and accordingly, from Kiev it will melt. In any case, President Poroshenko himself will not last long, most likely will be replaced in the fall.
  25. parusnik
    parusnik 27 August 2014 09: 28
    Poroshenko, sits firmly on a leash from the United States ... they gave birth to him, they will kill him ... Step to the right, step to the left, attempt to escape, jump in place, provocation .. We shoot without warning .. Let him buy the greenback, his forehead to smear that the bullet of the owner does not bring the infection ...
  26. Underwood
    Underwood 27 August 2014 10: 16
    I apologize for the impromptu, but "The woman had no worries - she chose Pig"