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Onslaught on Kiev. Ideological support

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Like many in Russia, I keep a close eye on the tragedy of Donbass and Novorossiya, alternating anxiety with hope, pain and admiration. There is a sarcastic jest: everyone thinks he is a strategist, seeing the fight from the side. I once honestly pulled my soldier's strap still in the Soviet Army, the meaning of the foregoing is quite close and understandable. Therefore, I ask in advance the honest plowmen of the war, the militia heroes to treat my arguments condescendingly if they find themselves divorced from reality.

And I want to say the following. The morale and successes of the Donbass resistance are undoubted, like the mess, stupidity, cowardice and thievingness of the persecuting Ukraine. But what worries me is that, in spite of everything, such Ukraine still turned out to be able to do in the Donbas what is happening now. And hysterical anti-Moscow races are still going on, other regions of Novorossia are still “quietly” without trying to open a “second front”.

I explain this to myself by the fact that the leadership of the DPR and the LPR have not yet reached out to the organization of a strategically full-fledged propaganda support for their struggle. And as it shows история, in civil wars, agitation and propaganda are sometimes more effective than any weapons. If in the minds of the enemy soldiers it is possible to devalue ideas and sacrifices in the name of these ideas, then they not only stop fighting for them, but sometimes they are made the most vehement opponents of those who once seduced them with such ideas.

Let's see the ideas of ukrovoyak: Ukraine is tse Europe, Muscovites are quilted jackets, Colorado, subhumans, Russia has taken away the Crimea, wants to take away all the lands that will succeed, and climbed into the Donbass, the West will help us, the heroes of Ukraine are Bandera and Shukhevych. Not much, but for now - it works! Bandera go to the volunteer battalions, which commit atrocities over peaceful people, but also keep their battles more steadfastly than ordinary soldiers.

The mobilization of the army at the very least, but go, the recruits are supplied even by potential Novorossia, that is, Kharkiv, Odessa, etc. The soldiers' mothers of Ukraine howl, but require only that the soldiers be provided, replaced in time, properly trained and commanded. The war itself is almost never questioned. The collection of donations among the population in favor of the army is quite successful. In Donbas, the population is 7 million. In the whole of Ukraine, 40 million. If the rear of the Kiev junta continues in its current volume, there is a risk that the Donbass will be crushed by a simple numerical bulk, they don’t feel sorry for people, and there is no fear either, you can always slip away to the West, if that ...

Well, and with what it is possible to effectively influence all Ukraine so that it doesn’t need the war in the Donbass so much that it fits the Maidan?
Of course, first of all, the military successes of the militia, everything is meaningless without them. But then surely there should be a competent propaganda and agitation, in which there would be no weak points. What can it be built on? Personally, I see it like this. The main idea, which the Kiev junta and the West behind it are now raising on the shield, is the defense of the country's territorial integrity. Russia has taken away the Crimea and is fanning separatism to take the rest. It violated OSCE principles and order in Europe. And do not give a damn to everyone that the West had done the same thing with impunity before in Yugoslavia and many other places. However, one should not underestimate the state-patriotic and even partly imperial feelings of the people of Ukraine. They are not weaker than the Russians, because we all came "out of the overcoat" of the Soviet Union. It is on these feelings that the efforts of the militia information troops should be directed. I still do not take into account the nonsense of “tseevropniki” and Bandera, because they are the lot of the zombie minority, yes, wildly active and dangerous, but the minority, which is always foam over the national flow. But for those who are enthusiastically or sluggishly going to the front, and also helping the front to “save the Batkivshchyna”, one can say the following.

Well, let's say you, having laid down your fighters nemerno and impoverished to tears, will achieve victory. And what do you get? Ukraine, which will be hosted by thieves' clans of oligarchs and bureaucrats under the protection of purchased Bandera gangs? The West will give loans at wild interest and under "beast reform", and thieves' clans shove them into their pockets. Maybe you’ll go to the new Maidan? So now they will become of no interest to anyone, oligarchs will give money for them, ambassadors with cookies will not come, they will simply crush you tanks.

But this is not important. You are still fighting for nothing. Remember. In the Donbas and in other places of Novorossia, people only wanted to be allowed to think and speak their own language, to reckon with their opinion on joining Europe. No one to Ukraine did not encroach. When the people were denied their easy demands, they began to seek only federalization, and then crowds of local and alien pogroms-Nazis were sent to them. That forced to take up arms. But, by and large, no one encroaches on Ukraine even now. The best thing would have been if other Ukraine could have been achieved, when the Federation of Ukraine and Novorossia appeared in place of the current "dill", in which the rights of all language groups of the population would be respected. There are already four state languages ​​in Switzerland, and what a magnificent country ... And even in this Federation, the whole Banderogitler nasty type of German post-war denazification would have been cleaned. As part of this denazification, it would be possible to punish the court and the confiscation of all the oligarch-plunderers, that they jumped out of the 90's and are now feeding Bandera battalions. And build a new state, taking into account the tragic mistakes of the recent past.

As a response to this program, of course, Crimea may emerge. Trump is serious, but he has a great answer! Yes, the Crimea will remain Russian, but the new Federation of Ukraine and Novorossia can receive special privileges in it, moreover, it certainly will not just enter, but Transnistria will happily break in, and that's compensation for the Crimea. And if you, our ukroprotivnikami, this alignment does not fit, then willy-nilly, you have to win back the Donbass from you, and maybe the whole of Novorossia. And leave with the conquered in Russia, to be saved from you and the West. And you live as you wish, if you can ... But how great it would be to jointly turn our weapons against all these insects that saddled Ukraine: corrupt Tupara officials, thieves-oligarchs, against the psychoanaline bandogeritlerism ...

That's about how I see the possibility of propaganda for the militias of New Russia. This is a general scheme, the details can be worked out according to the situation. But if everything I wrote is unrealistic, well ... I do not insist.
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  1. mig31
    mig31 25 August 2014 14: 44
    +15
    There is no Ukraine in its original sense, which means there is no power to revive it, but there is a territory and whose territory it will be guessed once ...
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 25 August 2014 14: 53
      +18
      The Ukrainian state, as a failed project, will soon disappear from the geographical maps. And the fault is not in Russia. The fascist junta confidently leads the country to death, only the population does not understand this, when it understands, it will be too late.
      1. herruvim
        herruvim 25 August 2014 15: 12
        +6
        The Ukrainian state, as a failed project, will soon disappear from geographical maps


        Did you mean that?
        1. bda
          bda 25 August 2014 16: 50
          +5
          as before, other regions of Novorossia are "quiet" without attempts to open a "second front".

          The most notable pro-Russian activists there were quickly neutralized, or even simply liquidated, on the advice of the SBU, gangs of right-wing men, and the masses who remained without leaders ... see the example of Donbass in front of them and say to themselves: “We need it so that our cities will be destroyed to the ground ... "
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 25 August 2014 19: 05
            +4
            who silently tolerate the Nazis will not shoot in the back of the militias
        2. Deff
          Deff 25 August 2014 17: 03
          +4
          Information support of New Russia and the rest of Ukraine will help both in a peaceful settlement and in re-advocating, rethinking. For some reason, there are zero movements on these fronts!

          An aerostat in the Crimea and on the western borders with Ukraine at an altitude of about two kilometers will make it possible to restore the broadcasting of practically all of Ukraine Russian channels and VHF FM stations,
          The greatest information effect: music and information in vehicles.
          An example of a finished version on the website http://rosaerosystems.ru/aero/obj16
          Possible recovery / addition for special. and emergency communications and mobile and Internet in Donbas, though it requires a larger number of balloons, about 30-40km at a distance of 5-15km from the Ukrainian border (so as not to spoil, shot from the territory of Ukraine). I must say that the connection is more stable for electronic warfare. Because the coverage area in 10-15 is larger than ground-based EWs and, due to its high-altitude location, will be available even in trenches with close jammers, because trenches (dugouts, it is even possible to hide behind armored vehicles) are out of sight of ground-based EWs.
        3. andrereu74
          andrereu74 25 August 2014 18: 14
          +2
          duck Americans already can not find it))))
      2. avg
        avg 25 August 2014 15: 15
        +6
        ... the leadership of the DPR and LPR have not yet reached the stage for organizing strategically comprehensive propaganda support for their struggle. And as history shows, in civil wars, agitation and propaganda are sometimes more effective than any weapon.

        The fact is that even the Russian media cannot convey the truth outside the country. They are not stupidly printed, broadcast, etc., and any Ukrop lie is immediately picked up and spread, and when the truth is later revealed, it is still not refuted. And you want the militias to launch a powerful propaganda campaign. It's like in a joke: "... I went to the tundra, glue leaflets." I believe that the militias are doing a lot in this regard, and it is important to help convey to people their deeds, ideas and views.
        1. Peter Timofeev
          Peter Timofeev 25 August 2014 15: 18
          +46
          Near the road to the DPR sits an old grandfather all in orders.
          The jeep stops, the guys from it say
          - Grandpa, take a ride!
          - Yes, no guys, I'll wait ...
          and so everyone sits and he all
          - No, thanks, I'll wait!
          Then near the grandfather UAZ stops
          - Hey grandfather, where are the separatists ?!
          Grandfather pulls out PPSh from behind and says
          - Well, thank God! WAITING FOR !!!

          Repost
          1. tasey
            tasey 25 August 2014 17: 27
            +5
            Well done, Pyotr Timofeevich! Cheered up.
        2. bda
          bda 25 August 2014 17: 02
          +2
          In the Donbass, the population is 7 million people. In all of Ukraine - 40 million. If the rear of the Kiev junta continues in its current volume, there is a risk that the Donbass will be crushed by a simple numerical bulk

          even the Russian media cannot convey the truth outside the country. ... And you want the militia to deploy a powerful propaganda company.

          Donbass, with a high degree of probability, can be crushed not only by a simple numerical bulk (especially since it is estimated that there are now not 7 million people, but about 4 - the rest fled from the fighting).
          The LPR and DPR are really only at the stage of formation practically "from scratch" (and to form as a state with the entire structure, social system, etc., being under the blows of superior enemy troops and "de jure" in conditions of almost complete international isolation - in this case, only a miracle can help!).
          And Ukria is at the very least, but it is a country with an established military, military-industrial, mobilization, etc. base. In addition, importantly, this country and its authorities have serious external support - open and even demonstrative, which, of course, is a big pole for the Bandera fascists in maintaining anti-Russian fury among their population.
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 25 August 2014 19: 15
            +2
            It is clear that a successful attack on the rest of the former Ukraine is possible only with a strong rear. Therefore, at the first stage, it is obvious that the borders of the regions (DPR + LPR) are reached and fixed on them; the second stage is the restoration of industrial and social infrastructure and, on this basis, the expansion of a mobilization and military-technical resource (and RF assistance, of course). And only the third stage is the beginning of the liberation of the remaining regions of the ruins - Kharkov, Kherson, Krivoy Rog, Dnepropetrovsk, Sumy with Chernigov, Kiev and beyond. And already this stage - with the intensification of anti-fascist propaganda and agitation, the development of underground and partisan struggle in the territories occupied by the junta, etc. etc.
            1. DV69
              DV69 25 August 2014 19: 45
              +2
              Quote: OldWiser
              It is clear that a successful attack on the rest of the former Ukraine is possible only with a strong rear. Therefore, at the first stage, it is obvious that the borders of the regions (DPR + LPR) are reached and fixed on them; the second stage is the restoration of industrial and social infrastructure and, on this basis, the expansion of a mobilization and military-technical resource (and RF assistance, of course). And only the third stage is the beginning of the liberation of the remaining regions of the ruins - Kharkov, Kherson, Krivoy Rog, Dnepropetrovsk, Sumy with Chernigov, Kiev and beyond. And already this stage - with the intensification of anti-fascist propaganda and agitation, the development of underground and partisan struggle in the territories occupied by the junta, etc. etc.


              I see the situation differently. After the armed forces of Novorossia entered the borders of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, Kiev would not have the strength to fight the popular protest in the Southeast. Then Odessa, Kherson, Zaporozhye, etc. will rise.
              Such hatred people always maintain power.
              1. saag
                saag 25 August 2014 20: 07
                0
                Quote: DV69
                Then rise Odessa, Kherson, Zaporozhye, etc.

                Odessa tried and burned, now it blows into the water, Zaporozhye, there are nuclear plants, people are more responsible, they understand that in case of which they will not show much to anyone, therefore there will be no uprising for them, Kherson, the agricultural region, people live from the ground, there’s no uprising will be
        3. cap54
          cap54 25 August 2014 20: 39
          +1
          and flyers from airplanes? Also when they did their job ... Everything new is well forgotten old.
      3. SS68SS
        SS68SS 25 August 2014 15: 20
        +2
        Quote: Thought Giant
        only the population does not understand this, when it understands, it will be too late.



        This is the worst ...
      4. FC SKIF
        FC SKIF 25 August 2014 15: 44
        +1
        The algorithm should be this: if you are Ukrainian, then you are Bendera, if Bendera, then a fascist. Think, maybe you are still a Russian anti-fascist, and then you will not be an accomplice in those atrocities that the Nazis do, and then after our inevitable victory you will be an accomplice to the Russian Peremogi. After the first truly high-profile victories of the militia on hat-scrappers, such thoughts will act soberingly.
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 25 August 2014 16: 47
          +5
          Quote: FC SKIF
          The algorithm should be this: if you are Ukrainian, then you are Bendera, if Bendera, then a fascist.

          Not right. How many Ukrainians are Heroes of the Soviet Union, anti-fascists? We need to focus on Galician dominance, insidiousness, on the fact that Galicians are not Ukrainians, that they seized power over Ukrainians by deceit and meanness, and force Ukrainians to kill each other. Ukrainians. Galician-Bandera-Nazi. And then carefully. Even among them there are normal people.
          PSA, it’s interesting, if your algorithm is opposed to this: Russian-Vlasov-fascist, would you be offended? I don’t even imagine this.
          1. bda
            bda 25 August 2014 17: 27
            +2
            revnagan (1) SU Today, 16: 47 ↑

            Quote: FC SKIF
            The algorithm should be this: if you are Ukrainian, then you are Bendera, if Bendera, then a fascist.

            Not right. How many Ukrainians are Heroes of the Soviet Union, anti-fascists?


            It's just that now, given that everyone hears how many Bandera-fascist warriors speak Russian without an accent at all, the concept of "Ukrainian" or "Russian" has become a political and civilizational choice in Ukraine.
            And everyone makes this choice for himself - without taking into account ethnic and other characteristics.
          2. wirbeln
            wirbeln 25 August 2014 18: 52
            +3
            I'm tired of repeating! Dear revnagan! There is no such country as Ukraine - it was invented by Germans, Austrians, nationalists, communists. There was and will be New Russia, Malorosiya, Krasnaya Rus. Read the story, and do not repeat what you thought up. The memoirs of the former commander of the German Eastern Front, General Hoffmann (1926) directly stated: “The creation of Ukraine is not the result of the initiative of the Russian people, but the result of the activities of my intelligence.” Such an impression: as soon as the Russians cease to be Russian - they become Ukrainians and vice versa.
      5. corn
        corn 25 August 2014 16: 10
        0
        Giant of thought
        Quote "And the fault is not Russia"

        And Russia, including.
        Due to the lack of a clear foreign policy towards Ukraine.
        I will give one example:
        A criminal case was opened in which Tymoshenko was held, which was closed shortly after Tymoshenko’s election as prime minister.
      6. CALL.
        CALL. 25 August 2014 16: 33
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        The Ukrainian state, as a failed project, will soon disappear from the geographical maps. And the fault is not in Russia.

        It was created for destruction in the war with Russia. And only for this the West needs it. As cannon fodder !!!
        The simplest backstage operation. Although in the first civilian they were able to drive the Russian people among themselves. For them, this is just a business.
      7. bda
        bda 25 August 2014 17: 22
        0
        Giant thought
        The Ukrainian state, as a failed project, will soon disappear from the geographical maps. And the fault is not in Russia.

        It’s not even a question of whose fault it is (if Russia, for example, benefits from the disappearance of Ukriya from the world map - why not “put a hand in it” - even A. Machiavelli advised in the sense that it is better not to anger the enemy with small injections, but to destroy him dramatically).
        For some reason, the situation simply develops as with "the always unexpected arrival of winter in December" - for almost 20 years all pro-Russian analysts have been speaking out loud that the violent banderization of southeastern Ukraine will lead to the split and collapse of the country.
        And now this hour has come - they've been waiting for twenty years and ... they weren’t ready - is Crimea still bad, is it good, but it’s ready to digest, and everything else ... - everyone just asks questions:
        - And where are the guarantees that we will succeed?
        - What if we were ... for that - plunged into the Third World!
        - Will our budget "pull" so many more "freeloaders" (especially considering the "de facto" already destroyed economy of Donbass)?
        “And that means that our soldiers may have to fold their heads too ?!”
        And, in the end, doubts already arise about how many refugees from Ukraine Russia can accept - is it not too much?
        And there is only one step from this question to the conclusion: we must quickly make friends with the parashen, help him calm down the southeast (some kind of peace plan with the "mediation" of the OSCE and NATO), and then ... let them do what they want - they want - they disintegrate, they want - they die of hunger and cold, but they want - the Fourth Reich with the support of the United States and the Geyrops are building - this is their business - and we have enough of our own problems.
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 25 August 2014 19: 24
          +1
          put a minus.
          The problem of choice is always there - between the moral and the selfish. All of the above is just from the hohlyatsky "my-khat-s-edge" -skoy imperitive. The Russian imperitive (for faith, tsar and fatherland) is moral, not selfish. And it is obvious - for humanity - and for the victory of Good over Evil. And fascism (and ukronazism as its variety) is an obvious and absolute Evil
      8. rf xnumx
        rf xnumx 25 August 2014 18: 52
        +2
        Quote: Thought Giant
        only the population does not understand this, when it understands, it will be too late

        How will it understand when it’s like this every day
        1. bda
          bda 25 August 2014 19: 08
          +1
          And all of poor Psaka was bullied ... wink
        2. cap54
          cap54 25 August 2014 20: 43
          +2
          Klitschko is the reincarnation of Psaki
        3. aspid1944
          aspid1944 26 August 2014 07: 29
          0
          A born speaker, the brains in the ring tapped.
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      10. 23 region
        23 region 25 August 2014 19: 00
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        The Ukrainian state, as a failed project, will soon disappear from the geographical maps.

        -Ukraine???
        - This is an old globe, little girl, Ukraine is no more.
      11. cap54
        cap54 25 August 2014 20: 37
        +1
        And imagine this population stunned by such news that Ukraine no longer exists? these are completely lowered hands, thoughts like: How to live on? and a wave of suicides, both among the young population and among people who have lived on this earth ... The prospect is not enviable and it becomes a pity for these stupid people ...
    2. armageddon
      armageddon 25 August 2014 15: 19
      +2
      Hmm ... "Claw is stuck - the whole bird is abyss" ... !!! Absolutely true proverb ... Ukraine is bogged down in nationalism and war with its own people !!! And what the end awaits the junta I think it is already clear !!!
    3. REMBO
      REMBO 25 August 2014 20: 53
      +1
      Militias go to establish the power of the people!
      1. skifd
        skifd 25 August 2014 23: 59
        +1
        Cybercircut. I don’t know whether it was laid out or not.

    4. Cadet787
      Cadet787 25 August 2014 21: 35
      +2
      25.08.2014 - 21: 03
      The counterattack of the troops of New Russia continues - a review of the situation from the military commissar |
      Overview of the situation from the military commissar A. Barkov.


      “The boiler of Ukrainian troops in the south-east of Donetsk, located Amvrosiyivka-Kuteynikovo-Ilovaisk, is being successfully liquidated. Militias report on several hundred prisoners and dozens of units of captured armored vehicles. Junta troops are running.
      I assume that they will soon open another checkpoint on the border of the DPR - Russia - Matveev Kurgan.
      Amvrosievka and the surrounding towns and cities will soon be liberated, and residents of Donetsk will be able to get to Rostov by the shortest road.
      The attack on Mariupol is unfolding. In Mariupol, due to weaknesses, the Ukrainian military turned to local residents. But it is unlikely that Mariupol residents will actively help the Ukrainian. Dnepr battalion.
      The offensive is proceeding successfully in the north. The militia battles of the "North" and "Ghost" brigades are going beyond Debaltseve and in the vicinity of Severodonetsk.
      It should be expected that another boiler in the Debaltseve area will shut down in the northeast of Donetsk on the eastern side of Gorlovka. ”
    5. Cadet787
      Cadet787 25 August 2014 22: 38
      +1
      25.08.2014 - 22: 05
      Ukrainian journalist: the 28th brigade is completely defeated.
      The 28th mechanized brigade from Chabanka is completely defeated near Ilovaisk.
      This was announced on the air of the 112 channel by the head of the Road Control publication Rostislav Shaposhnikov.
      “The fighters say that Russian troops surrounded us from all sides. Yesterday they captured the village of Kuteynikovo. The 28th brigade was completely defeated. Now they reach Starobeshevo. In Ilovaisk there are fights. It turns out that we cannot go to Ilovaisk and cannot retreat. We were bombarded with mines all night, about 60 minutes were fired at us, after the night 13 dead, 18 wounded, ”said Shaposhnikov.
  2. Vend
    Vend 25 August 2014 14: 44
    +3
    You are still fighting for nothing.

    Bendera just fighting for the idea: to destroy everything Russian in Ukraine.
    1. DMB-88
      DMB-88 25 August 2014 14: 50
      +16
      Quote: Wend
      You are still fighting for nothing.

      Bendera just fighting for the idea: to destroy everything Russian in Ukraine.


      Here is the answer
      1. Ayujak
        Ayujak 25 August 2014 15: 42
        +1
        You can’t say better!
    2. Tyumen
      Tyumen 25 August 2014 15: 21
      +6
      Quote: Wend
      Bendera just fighting for the idea: to destroy everything Russian in Ukraine.

      Yes, how much can you? No strength to read. Bandera, and Bandera. Bender is a city in Moldova. They got it, ignoramuses.
      1. Vend
        Vend 25 August 2014 15: 30
        +2
        Quote: Tyumen
        Quote: Wend
        Bendera just fighting for the idea: to destroy everything Russian in Ukraine.

        Yes, how much can you? No strength to read. Bandera, and Bandera. Bender is a city in Moldova. They got it, ignoramuses.

        I pressed the wrong letter, it happens. The meaning still does not change.
        1. Russian soldier
          Russian soldier 25 August 2014 21: 04
          +2
          Not a damn thing is changing !!!

          Bandera was when a very GOOD person (reptile shorter and lousy).

          А Russian city of Bender - this is Transnistria. There in 1992, a lot of Russians died. Read the book: Anatoly Kazakov - Bloody Summer in Bendery (notes of the camp chieftain).
  3. Koloradovatnik
    Koloradovatnik 25 August 2014 14: 45
    +4
    Ukrainians can still be disbanded, but what to do with Uniate zapadentsam ???
    1. Federal
      Federal 25 August 2014 15: 02
      +5
      A whole generation has been missed for 23 years; this is a fully formed young man, raised on an ideology alien to us. Russia did not take part in the ideological war in Ukraine in any way, the CIA was doing this well and fruitfully, turning the SBU into its branch. And now we have nothing to be surprised at, unbridled hatred for everything Russian, to destroy, plunder, rape and kill these slogans that, oddly enough, are supported by the current rulers, i.e. huntyats. And waiting for the re-education of this formed youth is simply stupid. "The patient is more likely dead than alive."
      1. sokolov
        sokolov 25 August 2014 15: 10
        0
        [quote = Federal] A whole generation of 23 years has been lost. This is a well-formed young man raised on an alien ideology. Russia did not take part in the ideological war in Ukraine, the CIA did it well and fruitfully, turning the SBU into its branch. And now we have nothing to be surprised at, the frenzied hatred of everything Russian, to destroy, rob, rape and kill is a slogan that, oddly enough, is supported by the current rulers, i.e. by juntas. And waiting for the re-education of this formed youth is simply stupid.
        "We will pull out the spiritual roots, vulgarize and destroy the foundations of national morality. We will loosen in this way, generation after generation. We will take on people from childhood, adolescence, the main stake will always be on young people, we will corrupt, corrupt, corrupt them. We will let's make them cynics, vulgar, cosmopolitans. This is how we will do it ... "Ivanov" Eternal Call "
    2. sokolov
      sokolov 25 August 2014 15: 11
      +1
      Quote: Colorado
      Ukrainians can still be disbanded, but what to do with Uniate zapadentsam ???

      what? all to Bandera!
    3. doctor
      doctor 25 August 2014 15: 11
      0
      To the barge and drown in the Black Sea.
      1. hooligan
        hooligan 25 August 2014 22: 19
        +1
        cheyta? why banish our sea ?! in the Dnieper!
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 25 August 2014 15: 15
      +3
      Quote: Colorado
      but what to do with Uniate zapadentsev ???

      Give them to the Poles! And let them enjoy the fruits of their "creativity". Although I think that if the memory goes to the Poles, the Hungarians, then all "Svidomo" will quickly be gagged and returned to their true social position, which they had under Austria-Hungary.
      1. sokolov
        sokolov 25 August 2014 15: 17
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: Colorado
        but what to do with Uniate zapadentsev ???

        Give them to the Poles! And let them enjoy the fruits of their "creativity". Although I think that if the memory goes to the Poles, the Hungarians, then all "Svidomo" will quickly be gagged and returned to their true social position, which they had under Austria-Hungary.

        Another question is, Volmut-Poles and Austro-Hungarians back them wink
    5. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 25 August 2014 15: 18
      0
      Quote: Colorado
      Ukrainians can still be disbanded, but what to do with Uniate zapadentsam ???

      Send to Europe, there are many brothels! Everyone will be employed !!!
    6. 23 region
      23 region 25 August 2014 19: 07
      0
      Quote: Colorado
      Ukrainians can still be disbanded, but what to do with Uniate zapadentsam ???

      Pack also in Vatican, cash on delivery.
    7. bda
      bda 25 August 2014 19: 20
      +2
      Koloradovatnik SU Today, 14:45

      Ukrainians can still be disbanded, but what to do with Uniate zapadentsam ???

      There are many things for Westerners in the West:
      - prostitutes of all gender trends;
      - dishwashers;
      - beggars;
      - extras for films about the terrible Putin's Russia;
      - competitors for blacks, Arabs and Turks to receive social benefits;
      - recipients of humanitarian aid from the West (in the case of the preservation of any Bandero-Galician territorial enclave);
      - cannon fodder for all anti-Russian conflict situations and just conflict situations (city svidomye - on the side of the Tutsi, for example, and village rogues - on the side of the Hutu);
      - competitors with Masai jumping on the spot ...
      The main thing is that within our side they can only be in the first two of the above mentioned incarnations!
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 25 August 2014 19: 33
        0
        You, dear BDA, is there really not enough in RUSSIA
        Quote: bda
        - prostitutes of all gender trends

        I have nothing against dishwashers (and other qualifications of the service sector)
    8. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 25 August 2014 19: 28
      0
      Ukrainians can still be disbanded, but what to do with Uniate zapadentsam ???
      Labor rehabilitation in the Far North - we need to develop and inhabit the Arctic
      1. Russian soldier
        Russian soldier 25 August 2014 21: 10
        +1
        DON'T inappropriately pollute our Far North!
        Let them slap in your beloved EU, they will help to eat apples there.
  4. DMB-88
    DMB-88 25 August 2014 14: 46
    +5
    The real face of the junta
  5. GRAMARI111
    GRAMARI111 25 August 2014 14: 47
    +26


    ...............................
    1. mark_rod
      mark_rod 25 August 2014 16: 54
      +1
      Wow, how everything on the shelves long ago laid out!
  6. saag
    saag 25 August 2014 14: 48
    +3
    Quote: mig31
    whose she will guess from once ...

    Yes, a draw, the Russian Federation will not harness this unprofitable project for it, the European Union, too, the United States and even more so, they from Ukraine need a small piece of gas and that's all

    "... I explain this to myself by the fact that the leadership of the DPR and LPR have not yet got their hands on the organization of strategically full-fledged propaganda support for their struggle."

    You are wrong, Strelkov put a certain Ivanov on political work, but someone did not like him right away and had to be fired back into the infantry, to see the ideas of the "wrong system"
  7. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 25 August 2014 14: 49
    +4
    It seems to me that when the DPR and LPR become stronger and begins to counterbalance the junta, then many regions will begin to activate as long as there is a slight diversion from their sides, over time, they will begin to become more active
    1. mark_rod
      mark_rod 25 August 2014 16: 56
      0
      Perhaps ... Something tells me that instability in Ukraine is a very long time!
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 25 August 2014 19: 39
        0
        Once upon a time, the USSR seemed eternal and indestructible, and look - a labeled bear and a drunk appeared while fighting - and there is no great country
  8. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 25 August 2014 14: 49
    +2
    "The new Federation of Ukraine and Novorossia can receive special benefits in it, besides, it will probably not just enter, but will happily break into Transnistria, here is compensation for Crimea."

    For Ukraine, Transnistria is still a present. laughing
    1. mark_rod
      mark_rod 25 August 2014 16: 55
      +2
      Transnistria will not go to Ukraine!
  9. Basarev
    Basarev 25 August 2014 14: 52
    +2
    But the New Russians also have an idea: to protect everything Russian.
  10. Magic archer
    Magic archer 25 August 2014 14: 53
    +10
    Once there was a good magazine Soldier of Fortune. In the year 98-99 there was a publication in it about the wars in which the militants of Una-Unso took part. The same Muzychko and others. Well, already at that time they openly declared that they considered Russia the main enemy And the first Chechen wars served to temper the ukronatsikov. I remember how one of them said so, we will return home and we will cleanse our lands from her and their filthy mova! And now 15 years have passed and the words of this ka become reality. endured building for the whole world, we are supposedly aggressors, and they are "victims" ... scum ....
  11. Vasia1
    Vasia1 25 August 2014 14: 53
    +1
    Alexey, you are a dreamer! Before the war, this could be thought of. But now, it’s unlikely. Let’s take a look at tomorrow’s talks.
  12. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 25 August 2014 14: 57
    +3
    I think that in the Special Services of Russia they should think about this issue! Though they should read it in the form of leaflets on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and most importantly they should do an analysis of what is happening, I think it’s going to compare, but I had to do it yesterday!
    1. sokolov
      sokolov 25 August 2014 15: 15
      +2
      Quote: kod3001
      I think that in the Special Services of Russia they should think about this issue! Though they should read it in the form of leaflets on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and most importantly they should do an analysis of what is happening, I think it’s going to compare, but I had to do it yesterday!

      It is necessary to show the footage of those destroyed in the "cauldrons", and what the prisoners of the Ukrvoyak talk about ... every day and on different resources ... not they, so their relatives and friends will see ..
  13. bytkeev
    bytkeev 25 August 2014 14: 57
    +1
    I do not quite agree ... but there are glimpses in the article.
  14. Stiletto
    Stiletto 25 August 2014 15: 01
    +2
    Quote: Vasia1
    Alexey, you are a dreamer! Before the war, this could be thought of. But now, it’s unlikely. Let’s take a look at tomorrow’s talks.


    Comrades, but no one knows what is being done there today? The censor howled, UNIAN howls, supposedly, Russia launched an invasion towards Mariupol. There is no official information anywhere - is it New Russia that has pinched their tail, or have again eaten mushrooms, but has something dreamed up? what
    1. sokolov
      sokolov 25 August 2014 15: 20
      +1
      as the main talker of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense has just said on ukrtv-lysenko- "the enemy has been stopped and suffered heavy losses .." and showed footage - a month ago smile
    2. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 25 August 2014 15: 23
      +2
      Quote: Stiletto
      Comrades, but no one knows what is being done there today? The censor howled, UNIAN howls, supposedly, Russia launched an invasion towards Mariupol. There is no official information anywhere - is it New Russia that has pinched their tail, or have again eaten mushrooms, but has something dreamed up?

      Why should they shout? Not to admit that the Aidar had escaped, and small militia groups were driving dill warriors?
      1. sokolov
        sokolov 25 August 2014 15: 41
        +1
        I quote the censor, We ask everyone who is ready to defend the city to urgently go to the military registration and enlistment offices, - said the Dnipro-1 battalion, - We need volunteers, we need help from people. The situation is very serious. "

        In addition, the Dnepr-1 battalion noted that it is better for women with children to leave Novoazovsk and Mariupol. It is dangerous to be in these cities.
        Source: http://censor.net.ua/n299538 Source: http://censor.net.ua/n299538 wink
      2. 23 region
        23 region 25 August 2014 19: 17
        0
        Quote: serega.fedotov
        Quote: Stiletto
        Comrades, but no one knows what is being done there today? The censor howled, UNIAN howls, supposedly, Russia launched an invasion towards Mariupol. There is no official information anywhere - is it New Russia that has pinched their tail, or have again eaten mushrooms, but has something dreamed up?

        Why should they shout? Not to admit that the Aidar had escaped, and small militia groups were driving dill warriors?

        THAT IS THE CENSOR BROADCAST:
        dill enthusiastic, congratulate each other on a victory.

        25.08.14 17:10
        Near Novoazovsk Russian tanks burn, there are prisoners and a lot of our aviation, - the journalist

        Journalist Petr Shuklinov, citing his sources, claims that the attempt of Russian terrorists to attack Mariupol failed.
        He wrote about this in his "Facebook" reports Censor.NET.

        He noted: "Russian tanks are burning in the Novoazovsk area. There are captured Russian soldiers. They are still alive. I hope that Ukrainian soldiers will spare the fools. The city itself is completely controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Local residents record numerous flights of Ukrainian aircraft towards the checkpoint between Ukraine and Russia, as well as The remnants of the defeated units of the Russian army are retreating back to the border. The Ukrainian army is on their heels. Some units seem to have broken through into the depths of Ukrainian territory and cut off from the border. Somewhere there they are still climbing. But this is temporary. Do not worry. The army is working. Do not get fooled by Putin's stuffing. The Russians have arrived - the Russians have burned out. Let's get used to it. "

        Source: http://censor.net.ua/n299567 Source: http://censor.net.ua/n299567
  15. unknown
    unknown 25 August 2014 15: 02
    +10
    "According to the residents of occupied Mariupol, today the mass exodus of the national guards from the city began. Since the morning, trucks filled with armed people leave the city and leave in the direction of Mangush and the Zaporozhye region. At the same time, the fighters do not look like units of the regular Ukrainian army, to besides, many have identification marks of some punitive battalions, therefore, we are most likely talking about national guardsmen and units of the so-called territorial self-defense.
    Such a flight may be associated with a successful offensive by the DPR troops in the southern sector of the front. The day before yesterday, the reconnaissance and sabotage groups of Novorossia started fighting near Novoazovsk. Now, the DPR troops managed to liberate several settlements from the occupation. Among them Telmanovo is the administrative center of Telmanovsky district, which borders on Volodarsky and Novoazovsky districts, and is also very close to Mariupol. "
    Rats from a sinking ship ran
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 25 August 2014 15: 30
      +1
      Quote: neznakomez
      Rats from a sinking ship ran


      Sasha, thanks hi Guys, keep in touch, if there is an opportunity, who knows what - in this and other branches. The official information is minuscule, and things there are wrapping up very, very interesting ...
      For example, the title from the UNIAN website:

      "The cynical shelling of Ukrainian settlements continues. Terrorists fired at the village of Kommuna in the Donetsk region from the Grad installations."

      Note: if we are talking about the shelling of Ukrainian NP, then this is the shelling "Cynical". Well, if Donetsk is with Luhansk, then this, according to ukrov, is in the order of things. Younger servants quickly learn to lie from the Yusovites ...
  16. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 25 August 2014 15: 04
    +1
    Quote: mig31
    There is no Ukraine in its original sense, which means there is no power to revive it, but there is a territory and whose territory it will be guessed once ...

    whose .. obviously not dill laughing
  17. Dezinto
    Dezinto 25 August 2014 15: 04
    +6
    What strikes me is Ukraine’s persistent desire — just anywhere not with the Russians. Russians are of course the main enemy.

    February 23 canceled ... Schaub is not like a Mosk ..

    Yat pisyuny yourself chop off Schaub, too, not like a Muscovite ... her !!!! idio ... s!

    The finished nation is over !!!! They don’t have a flag down.

    And I also like the anthem - I haven’t died yet! fellow Is it with such a slogan that their soldiers go into battle !? - we have not died yet! .... MDA inspires! winked

    She didn’t die, but soon.
    1. bda
      bda 25 August 2014 17: 30
      +2
      Ukrainians through the eyes of Poles

      - The hem of the skirt should be on the shoulder blades.
      1. Renat
        Renat 25 August 2014 19: 29
        +2
        But the Germans see Poles like that.
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 25 August 2014 19: 54
        0
        and cowards on the ankles
  18. saag
    saag 25 August 2014 15: 04
    -8
    Two areas are at war, the area of ​​action of their ideas is limited to the administrative boundaries of the regions, while slogans like "All power to the Soviets", "Power to the people", "Long live the power of workers and peasants!"
  19. dima-fesko
    dima-fesko 25 August 2014 15: 07
    +6
    The article has a reasonable grain, but something else confuses me. Currently, "federalization of Ukraine" is simply impossible. How can "peace" be established? Apparently, the militia needs to completely disarm, choose a new government, and pass laws! With Ukrainian realities, this is simply impossible! Ensure the introduction of a peacekeeping contingent for a transitional period - the United States will spit saliva all over Europe, incl. and henchmen. The militia has only one way out, either victory or death. Unfortunately, there is no other way!
    1. doctor
      doctor 25 August 2014 15: 16
      +4
      Only a victory. Good luck to the militias and volunteers.
    2. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 25 August 2014 15: 26
      0
      There is an optimistic scenario, hold out until the beginning of the next Maidan!
  20. anfil
    anfil 25 August 2014 15: 09
    +1
    The lessons of Ukraine - the tasks of agitation and propaganda

    The current situation in Ukraine is a new challenge for Russia and at the same time a new “window of opportunity”. Any country, any state must have a sense of its existence. Depending on the decoding of this meaning and on how much this very “meaning” is recognized and felt by the citizens of this state, the weight of this state in the world arena largely depends.

    “State with meaning" is a superpower. Already a superpower for today or potential in the future - this is not the point. Since only this very “meaning”, which is otherwise called the “civilization project”, is that very force, that indispensable attribute, ingredient. For any country that has taken place as a superpower or aspiring to this role in the foreseeable future. Another is simply a country in which citizens are united only by a nation, or only by a way of earning a living, or by their past, or by the configuration of all this in one or another proportion ...

    ... "Non-Resistance to Evil by Violence" is a very beautiful theory. But, unfortunately, its effectiveness is not confirmed by life if you deal with aggressive people without honor and conscience. Pursuing issues of agitation, we cannot but understand that our agitation will exist in conditions of dominance of world media on a global scale. And as in the case of the army, whose ability to destroy any enemy will save us from military aggression like Yugoslavia. So it is with the media: only the ability of our media to neutralize false propaganda against us and conduct explanatory campaigns with them can save us from the complete loss of our civilizational exclusiveness, and after it our statehood.

    Ukraine is the very case when we can defeat the law there, defend the law and the rights of Russians, Ukrainians and people of other nationalities with a pen than with a sword.

    It remains to realize this and start working in this direction.

    Nikolai Starikov link:http://nstarikov.ru/blog/37063
  21. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 August 2014 15: 10
    +2
    The author is right, first of all, that ideology is the strongest weapon in the conditions of a civil war, and it must be used. And the successes of the Army of New Russia will strengthen the argument unspeakably.
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 25 August 2014 15: 30
      +1
      This is true. * Through means such as radio and loudspeakers, 80 million people were taken away * Albert Speer at the Nuremberg court.
  22. tag17
    tag17 25 August 2014 15: 16
    0
    If Ukraine has a future? If there is not the USA and Gayorpa!
  23. kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 25 August 2014 15: 17
    +1
    [quote = Koloradovatnik] Ukrainians can still be disbanded, but what to do with Uniate zapadentsam ???

    bury the fuck all deeper !!!
  24. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 25 August 2014 15: 17
    +9
    The soldier’s mothers of Ukraine howl, but only require that the soldiers be provided, replaced on time, properly trained and commanded. The war itself is almost never called into question.

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/726/vivp774.jpg
  25. Performance
    Performance 25 August 2014 15: 18
    +4
    I do not agree - the idea is clear and understandable! There the key word is Moscow, everything connected with it, everyone who listens to Moscow, everyone who looks towards Moscow, who defends it are enemies ... It’s ridiculous, but there’s not a Russian enemy, by nationality, not by language, there the enemy is the one who rallied around Moscow! That is why there now a Russian on the side of the junta is killing a Ukrainian in the militia, because this militia looks in the direction of Moscow and believes in Moscow!
  26. Cananecat
    Cananecat 25 August 2014 15: 23
    0
    Tomorrow Powder will ask Pope Vova to pick up the militias ... nonsense, but in full in his style ...
  27. b.t.a.
    b.t.a. 25 August 2014 15: 37
    +1
    I liked the article, but the feeling does not leave that the author does not see a little what is happening on the outskirts. Read a friend comments on the censor no. This is some kind of horror. A hodgepodge of stupid phrases taken from the Ukrainian media, obscenities and hatred of the inhabitants of the DPR and LPR. Mostly young people write. This overgrowth who does not know how to think deeply does not care how and what their parents will feed them, what they will pay for the apartment. They have a picture in their heads of how they will beautifully walk around Europe. Older people who know how to think are simply scared to say something on this topic. A little something wrong with the SBU. Many simply do not want complications like a smart minnow. It will be difficult to convince all this mass-processed mass.
  28. Astartes
    Astartes 25 August 2014 15: 38
    +3
    The author of the inhabitants of Donbass, unlike you, has an understanding of what they are fighting for, you won’t believe it, but they want to live in Russia, which they really consider their homeland. Here is their main ideological platform, and there is nothing to weave lace here, it is worth recognizing that Ukraine was torn from Russia in 91 by a criminal decision, and to be absolutely precise, it is under the occupation of nationalist elements led by the United States. The unification of a corroded country and people is the natural desire of any Russian person. Everything else is just the dust of which they are trying to extinguish this holy goal.
    1. Iline
      Iline 25 August 2014 18: 17
      0
      The worst thing is that it is unrealistic to oppose anything against the nationalist ideology at the moment. The boys are now in euphoria and at the peak of "fame". Sobering will come anyway, but it takes time. But Novorossia does not have it.
      And therefore, while at the genetic level, this mass of the population has not eroded the ideas of Makhnovism (well, including the Bolsheviks, including) such as the robbed robbery, we must throw this cry on fertile soil. They will eat themselves very quickly.
  29. Andrew 58
    Andrew 58 25 August 2014 15: 51
    0
    Quote: GRAMARI111


    ...............................

    As he looked into the water ...
    1. Russian1974
      Russian1974 25 August 2014 17: 16
      0
      Yes, we all knew this for a long time, we only thought that it wouldn’t come back, but as they say here, the Russian spirit smells like Russia here and it happened soldier
    2. kay4yk
      kay4yk 25 August 2014 19: 46
      0
      Well, someone else supplied him with info. scenarios march for decades ahead
  30. African
    African 25 August 2014 15: 52
    +5
    The issue with the Crimea is closed. No one in Russia will raise it. No options will be considered with Crimea. Negotiations with third parties in which the word Crimea will be mentioned will not be conducted. As Osia Bender said, bargaining is not appropriate.
    Russia did not take anything from anyone. Crimea made a decision on its own, nothing more than agreed. This is an official position. De jure. Issued by relevant legal documents.
    The basis of the actions of today's Ukrainian authorities lies precisely in the fear of a repeat of the Crimean scenario by other subjects of Ukraine. From here it all started. Heroes of Ukraine Bandera, Shukhevych, this is nothing more than a consequence. Before them was the notorious Mr. Grushevsky. Europe knows and understands everything. The Poles have not forgotten the two Bandera brothers autocratically shot for the blood of thousands of their relatives. Therefore, the idea of ​​self-identity of Ukrainians worked out from the 1890 years by the Germans and Austro-Hungarians. Do you think that what was laid down by the 100 anniversary can be destroyed in a short period of time by some idea, after hearing which they rush to the Maidan tomorrow? I think not. Everything is relative. But this takes time and time. No idea. Only a victory. No other is given. The best agitation after the victory and the formation of the DPR and LPR as independent business entities will be normalization and a significant improvement in the lifestyle of the people of these entities, better than there, in the rest of Ukraine.
    1. saag
      saag 25 August 2014 16: 47
      0
      Quote: African
      But this takes time and time. No idea. Only a victory

      In this case, the victory will be someone who brings their idea, without the idea there is no victory, otherwise it is a war for the sake of war
      1. African
        African 25 August 2014 17: 00
        0
        I come from the author’s article. He is looking for an answer to an idea for Ukrainians. The issue of ideas for the LPR and DPR is not considered. They are already united by ideas, and not even one.
  31. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 25 August 2014 15: 53
    0
    The author is an optimist! They won’t understand in any way (((, until a concrete plan to restore both the war directly destroyed and the abused economy and statehood of U. appears, where exactly the one who will pay and answer for everything is indicated, it will be cut into pieces, chopped and shred (((. Recall at least one state restored after the war, over the past 40 years - everything is in the ass ... I don’t have optimism regarding the oncology of Ukraine, the West, I hope its rat nature will come around!
  32. makano
    makano 25 August 2014 15: 59
    +8
    The author probably does not see fascism in Ukraine. But fascism must be destroyed, and not adapted to it, Transnistria and the Russian-speaking world. Western Europe has long been struck by fascism and is again advancing on Russia. In addition to Russia, Ukraine has no one to denazify, and this must be done urgently. During denazification, regions must be allowed to secede. In the context of the genocide of New Russia, it is already impossible to talk about federalization within the framework of the former borders of Ukraine
    1. atos_kin
      atos_kin 25 August 2014 17: 17
      0
      "The best, if you could achieve another Ukrainewhen in place of the current "dill" arose Federation of Ukraine and New Russiathat respects the rights of all linguistic groups. "
      The author, it seems, is still "held captive by national dreams." Denazification of Krajina is inevitable! The possibility of continuing to imitate its existence and an attempt at a federative structure died along with the first child who died at the hands of a "nationally species". At this place of the “current” dill, nothing itself, as the author dreams of, will “arise.” The difficult construction of Russia has already begun by (yes, with the help of Putin) the revival of first Novorossia, then Little Russia. And if at some stage of construction there will be a federation , then the used Ukraine I would call (by analogy with Belarus) the Republic of Novorus, and the foundation of construction should be economic, not national interests of the state.
  33. Signature
    Signature 25 August 2014 16: 05
    +1
    Without external "mentoring" and support for Ukraine / Novorossiya it will be very, very difficult: the blind-deaf-mute person himself will hardly find his way "home".
    Especially when there is such a unanimity around and such a crowding of various "criminal elements".
    The problem is that all the symptoms of both spiritual inferiority and disability of "Urkaina" are the same as those of other post-Soviet countries.
    Where can you find support and mentor in these circumstances? The "elder brother" also cheats (sorry for the non-complimentary speeches).
  34. ed65b
    ed65b 25 August 2014 16: 13
    0
    correctly, Makano only by killing fascism and setting the brains of the rest of the zombie population can be defeated, and for this it is necessary to take Kiev and make not Novorosiya and Ukraine, only a new one.
  35. Bayun
    Bayun 25 August 2014 16: 36
    +3
    With the federation, only a variant of the return of Ukraine to the Russian Federation is already seen, so that the poor fellows do not kill each other "until the last real Ukrainian." Novorossia is a simple southern Russian region, central Ukraine is a national republic. And Galicia with the fascists deported there to offer "partners". I think Canada and Australia will "gladly" accept the violent, and the EU will welcome the hard workers. Perhaps the EU and the US do not yet realize what a "plush cutie" the Ukrainian situation will seem in comparison with the terrorist Caliphate.
  36. Vancha
    Vancha 25 August 2014 16: 50
    0
    Power in Kiev planted by Washington, hence the conclusion - first you need to change the power!
  37. Cristall
    Cristall 25 August 2014 16: 59
    -3
    The article is not bad (for once I saw at least some sort of rac grain and not "sarcasm" and "pure neighing")
    I do not agree with

    Let's see the ideas of ukrovoyak: Ukraine - Europe, - quilted jackets, Colorado, subhuman, Russia took away the Crimea, wants to take away all the lands that succeed, so it climbed into the Donbass, the West will help us, the heroes of Ukraine - Bandera and Shukhevych. Not a lot, but for now - it works! Bandera go to volunteer battalions that commit atrocities against civilians, but are more steadfast in battle than ordinary soldiers.

    This statement. Let's say for the standard (that is, those who believe TV) this is a struggle and a war for the integrity of Ukraine! The fight for the population of Donbass (according to the militants terrorize the population) the fight against the terrorists of which is supported by Moscow, which wants the death of Ukraine.
    For many, this is territorial integrity. This is a normal Soviet desire "Not to squander the Kemsky volosts" This also includes the Crimea. No Transnistria will replace it. On the principle of even passports (in Crimea, there are many Ukrainians with passports, and Ukrainian property too)
    That is, what is being injected here on the site is supposedly all Ukrainians are fascists, they climb into Novorossia and kill everything in a row just because they are ALL fascists, this is wrong! The desire to save territory at any cost is inherent in everyone. The Russian Federation also dealt with Chechnya.
    There are 7 million Ukrainians (already less) and they decided to be independent (by the way, according to the media scenario, the referendum was illegal and therefore they did not stop being Ukrainians) but they were not accepted in the Russian Federation and Ukraine is still responsible for them. In addition, the majority made such a decision from the euphoria of the Krymsky and Russian springs. Everyone was sure (including me) that the Russian Federation would spread the Crimean scenario. But the Russian Federation grabbed the Crimea, put up reparations, indemnities seized the fleet and property - and that’s it ... Donbass was left with the nose. And our Kiev-May politicians launched an anti-terrorist operation instead of concessions. Outgrown in the war.
    After what he saw (the reluctance of the Russian Federation to spread the Crimean scenario and reparations with the seizures), the entire South-East of Ukraine (except for Donbass) practically "withered" and began to support Ukraine. Yes she is "bad" but she tries to fight for her territory. The rest do not need us.
    What could Russia do in this situation? I do not know. Moscow itself failed miserably with the very idea of ​​the Russian Spring. Apparently the Crimea was both a plus and a minus. Further discrediting the Crimean scenario in a matter of months turned the Russian Federation from a savior into an aggressor. And 100% of the media is not to blame (they were like that before Maidan) People themselves saw how the rhetoric of the GDP and the Kremlin is changing. It was impossible not to notice her.
    That's why they think the war in the east is the salvation of the country! And they think it in the Soviet way. Not in Ukrainian, but in Soviet style --- "you can't get enough of any volosts"
    According to Censorn, no - I do not care. This is a branch. The most ardent defenders and donors of this war are just the Southeastern and central regions ... just the Russian world. Since zapadentsy only know how to Maidan. And the Russians have to fight with the Russians.
    The article does not present any way out for Ukraine except to destroy the Donbass since

    And if you, our dodgers, do not fit this alignment, then willy-nilly you have to win the Donbass from you, and maybe all of New Russia. And leave with the conquered to Russia to save yourself from you and the West
    .
    I wonder how to conquer New Russia (not counting the Donbass) if its main part is already against the policy of the Kremlin? This is not March! Too late
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 25 August 2014 18: 34
      0
      And the propaganda of Americans in Ukraine is intended primarily for Russian speakers,
      the western regions will creep up to them. In Russia, everyone understands that Russian-speaking people from Ukraine, like Poland for Ukraine, were used as a ram for destabilization, they will be used to undermine the situation in the Rostov region and beyond. Russia simply struck a preemptive strike against a potential instrument being prepared against us. This is just a defense mechanism and not an attempt to rebuild the empire. Russia was initially satisfied with the status quo when Ukraine would be a neutral state, and in order to balance this situation, federalization was proposed so that the pro-Russian regions would not allow the West to shift the position vector to the west and Ukraine stay in the middle, a kind of pull-talk. All this did not suit the West, they need to control the whole of Ukraine, especially the eastern regions i.e. actually divide the Russian world, divide and rule, by the way, this is a very favorite tactic of the Anglo-Saxons. The paradox of the southeastern regions is used so that they hurt themselves and actually support the scenario of further infringement of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine - de-Russification in favor of "ethnic Ukrainians".
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 25 August 2014 18: 54
        +3
        On the example of the Baltic, and, in principle, other former republics, one can see what the situation of ethnic Russians is, often supporting the independence of these republics, they were actually expelled or received the status of non-citizens, with the inability to occupy many government posts.
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 25 August 2014 20: 08
      +1
      If you do not believe in victory, you are doomed to defeat. Victory or death! Fascism will not pass!
  38. Gray-haired Siberian
    Gray-haired Siberian 25 August 2014 17: 00
    +1
    "... But if everything I've written is unrealistic, well ... I don't insist. ..."

    But in vain! You have to stand for the truth!
  39. hawk
    hawk 25 August 2014 17: 13
    0
    In pseudo-democratic countries, human values ​​are nothing but a screen. Valuable only that is beneficial to a miserable bunch of world rulers. Everything else works for it. At any cost. Deception, manipulation, countless sacrifices ... Working with their methods is not ours. It remains to prove by deeds and poking at the face.
  40. Horn
    Horn 25 August 2014 17: 33
    +2
    The mobilization of the army at the very least, but go, the recruits are supplied even by potential Novorossia, that is, Kharkiv, Odessa, etc. The soldiers' mothers of Ukraine howl, but require only that the soldiers be provided, replaced in time, properly trained and commanded. The war itself is almost never questioned. The collection of donations among the population in favor of the army is quite successful. In Donbas, the population is 7 million. In the whole of Ukraine, 40 million. If the rear of the Kiev junta continues in its current volume, there is a risk that the Donbass will be crushed by a simple numerical bulk, they don’t feel sorry for people, and there is no fear either, you can always slip away to the West, if that ...

    - Everyone does not fade to the west. And so that there is no desire to go east, you just need to make the war "unprofitable" and terrible: no prisoners! no "boilers" with the subsequent redeployment of the orcs coming out through Russian territory. Cover the mother must firmly learn that no body armor will save her son from the fate of being buried in an unknown hole. In a cattle burial. Any dill at the sight of the St. George's ribbon should liquidly shit under itself and run to the Polish border in front of its own stench.
  41. Russian German65
    Russian German65 25 August 2014 17: 57
    +1
    It's time to finish with an artificial education called Ukraine .... New Russia ...... Little Russia ... yes ... that's all ..... Russian .... big trouble in Russia .... again brother in on brother
  42. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 25 August 2014 17: 59
    +1
    The article is interesting for its childish naivety of wishes, it’s better that the author reads at least reviews about dill of not even militias, no, reviews of Chechens who disappeared behind the cordon, they are somehow not an interested party to discredit the characteristic features of ukrov’s behavior, but could not restrain from believing they are thankless and hopeless, so let everything return to normal, Novorossiya to Tiraspol.
  43. melnik
    melnik 25 August 2014 18: 44
    +2
    The topic is correct. Personally, I think it's time to move away from the term militia and take the Republican. The analogy with the Boers directly suggests itself, and then world public opinion was entirely on their side. We need symbols, a beautiful presentation of the struggle for freedom, we need a charismatic Che, from whom, militarily, it was sense like milk was delivered, but it cost the army of the European state. Not a specialist, I can write nonsense, but on a hunch, I think that's right.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 25 August 2014 20: 13
      0
      I agree! I also think - where would you find the same charismatic and powerful leader like Maxine Fidel!
  44. andrew42
    andrew42 25 August 2014 18: 46
    +1
    Honestly, one would have to act in the vein of the Bolsheviks. Factories - to workers, land - to peasants, all women - to a non-drinking husband in a white Mercedes. It is simply necessary to transfer the conflict from the national plane to the social class, as they would say earlier. Yes, plus a war overseas colonialists. Then the New 1st Horse Horse would have triumphantly raced through Ukraine. But! The second side of the confrontation is Russia. And at home we have the same oligarchic model of a political and economic structure. To prove that Russian oligarchs are more profitable than Western litter - mmm, is problematic. And therefore, the central regions of Ukraine will not accept the Donbass, which has nothing to lose. To mass them against the Western connoisseurs of surzhik will not work. Great idea. I’ll cynically say, but since Ukraine has become the West vs Russia battlefield, you need to squeeze out everything that is possible to ensure the southeast under the Donbass, and calm down, watching the rest of them jerk on the threshold of Geyropa. It’s a pity for ordinary people in the western part of Ukraine, but each smith is his own misfortune.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 25 August 2014 20: 21
      +1
      The paradoxes of history are how the oligarchic-capitalist Russia will build a socialist federation of New and Little Russia with the Galichan Volyn. But the national interests of Russia at the moment are precisely what they are demanding. Otherwise, we will have Ukrainian-Nazi Ukraine as a neighbor.
  45. melnik
    melnik 25 August 2014 19: 14
    0
    By the way, the militia of New Russia set a new military fashion. Read rave reviews from the Irish. Now they will imitate our
  46. Long harnessing
    Long harnessing 25 August 2014 19: 14
    +1
    I don’t see, I don’t believe how the people of Novorossia will be able to live in one state, even a federation, with the Ukronazis and those who shouted "Salo for Ukraine" at rallies. After all the victims, thousands of civilians killed, numerous facts of meanness on the part of not only the official Kiev leaders, but also ordinary warriors, journalists, etc. Many years must pass before the shelling of cities from the Grad, the encirclement to death, killed children ...
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 25 August 2014 20: 24
      0
      What about Vietnam? How did the northern communists forgive and re-educate the southern collaborators (who were against the Viet Cong and dreamed - how would they take off to the States)?
  47. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 25 August 2014 19: 23
    0
    For interest. As Voenkor.info agency reports, the former commander of the Donbass People’s Militia and the Minister of Defense of the DPR Igor Ivanovich Strelkov returned from short-term leave from the Russian Federation.

    "He did not return empty-handed. He now has a special mission. He will coordinate the counter-offensive of the LPR and DPR militia forces as a military adviser. At the moment, a joint special operation of the militia forces is under way," the agency quotes a source in Novorossiya.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 25 August 2014 20: 27
      +1
      It's time to create the Armed Forces of New Russia! And the post of Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of New Russia, Igor Ivanovich - that's it!
  48. afecn
    afecn 25 August 2014 20: 26
    +1
    CyberBerkut Doberman burned. Alive, it looks like a bastard:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGuurOzFQA&feature=youtu.be
  49. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 25 August 2014 21: 09
    0
    article plus set. yes it’s time to go on the offensive on the ideological front as well - this will accelerate the collapse of the failed state of Ukraine. It will also help to unite the civilian population of New Russia and the collapse of the remnants of the army of dill, which means you can save many thousands of people's lives.
  50. Karabin
    Karabin 25 August 2014 21: 23
    +1
    New Russia outside Russia, sooner or later, will become as much a misunderstanding as Ukraine. Either New Russia as part of Russia, or the victims are in vain.