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Armed forces of the Russian Federation receive the latest MANPADS "Verba"

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The first man-portable Verba anti-aircraft missile systems have already entered service with the Russian army. We received the latest MANPADS units of the Airborne Forces and the motorized rifle brigade of the Eastern Military District. This newspaper reports "Sight" with reference to a source in the NPK "KB engineering".

Armed forces of the Russian Federation receive the latest MANPADS "Verba"


Specialists report that Verba is superior to all existing Russian and American versions of man-portable air defense systems. One of the main advantages of “Verba” MANPADS is the possibility of hitting low-emitting targets. In other words, "Willow" can be particularly effective in the fight against enemy drones, as well as in the destruction of cruise missiles.

MANPADS "Verba" is able to destroy targets flying at an altitude of up to 4,5 km at a distance of 500 m to 6,5 km. The mass of the warhead is 1,5 kg. In MANPADS, the latest automated control system is implemented, which reduces the notorious human factor to a minimum. The new principle of the control system eliminates the possibility of defeating MANPADS "Verba" means aviation own Air Force or Air Force ally.
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  1. AleXL-77
    AleXL-77 23 August 2014 11: 12
    +28
    Well done! Keep it up! good
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 23 August 2014 11: 22
      +55
      Willow, Ash, Poplar-M - a good harvest!
      1. muginov2015
        muginov2015 23 August 2014 11: 26
        +37
        ROSGA — that would be more concrete.
        1. herruvim
          herruvim 23 August 2014 11: 35
          +4
          gandalf (1) SU Today, 11:29 am New
          Smolensk birch - so at first they wanted to call it ... but then changed their minds


          Man came up with a different name, also like nothing
          1. Stalevar
            Stalevar 23 August 2014 14: 29
            +18
            They received the latest MANPADS of the Airborne Forces and the motorized rifle brigade of the Eastern Military District.
            Well, a little militia to adjust, let them break in in combat conditions. And they are good and dill, in order of prize!
            1. pvv113
              pvv113 23 August 2014 19: 21
              +29
              Late! Dill Aviation left hi
            2. Vladimir K.
              Vladimir K. 23 August 2014 19: 47
              +8
              The dill of the Air Force is almost absent as a class of weapons. That ATGMs and grenade launchers in more they obviously would not hurt.
              1. SFIR
                SFIR 24 August 2014 21: 24
                +1
                everything is...
              2. Rostislav
                Rostislav 25 August 2014 10: 40
                +3
                And the "Willow" will not be superfluous, a couple of bastards are still flying. the same drones, about which you cannot make out, either the OSCE observers, or the scouts of dill. And they can combine, there is no faith in these committed observers.
          2. demon1978
            demon1978 23 August 2014 14: 34
            +18
            ShturmKGB RU Today, 11:22 ↑ New
            Willow, Ash, Poplar-M - a good harvest!

            herruvim (1) SU Today, 11:35 ↑ New
            gandalf (1) SU Today, 11:29 am New
            Smolensk birch - so at first they wanted to call it ... but then changed their minds

            Yes, between SUCH vegetation you’ll probably fly horseradish wassat (Well, if only the friend-or-foe system does not recognize HIS) laughing
            Let's help the WORLD - "green" the planet soldier , you give the Kyoto Protocol to LIFE !!!!! (otherwise you got sick of SMOKING anywhere am )
            1. absurdity
              absurdity 24 August 2014 20: 28
              +4
              Smolensk birch !!! ))))) this is strong! Pppzrk-anti-polar portable ...
        2. 222222
          222222 23 August 2014 21: 14
          +4
          ShturmKGB RU Today, 11:22 ↑
          Willow, Ash, Poplar-M - a good harvest!

          AvatarColonel
          muginov2015 (5) RU Today, 11:26 ↑
          ROSGA - that would sound more specific. "" "
          ..From Willow oh how much ROSGOV turns out ...
          1. ars_pro
            ars_pro 23 August 2014 22: 01
            +24
            Before, various planes constantly flew over us, Ukrov’s helicopters, so they flew there and didn’t return, now they’ve completely stopped flying, and it’s even easier when it’s not happening this nightmarish hum 5-10 times a day for weeks
          2. muginov2015
            muginov2015 23 August 2014 22: 42
            +4
            .C willow oh how much ROSGOV turns out ...

            So am I about the same, Colonel.
          3. KBR109
            KBR109 23 August 2014 23: 25
            +2
            ROSOG, however, is Pan Marshal.
          4. ver_
            ver_ 24 August 2014 14: 44
            +3
            ..aspen aspen is the surest remedy against ghouls ...
        3. Michael_59
          Michael_59 23 August 2014 21: 51
          +3
          Quote: muginov2015
          ROSGA — that would be more concrete.

          Rogoza laughing
        4. vvvvv
          vvvvv 24 August 2014 00: 13
          +3
          And if you also borrow the names of agricultural implements, then the potential enemy will generally have a pitchfork ... am
        5. Venier
          Venier 25 August 2014 10: 07
          +1
          ROSGA — that would be more concrete.
          We have a wide choice, on the way, vichka, whip, whip, whip.laughing
        6. Shur
          Shur 25 August 2014 22: 00
          0
          Yeah or a gun! Or a willow stick, aspen :)
        7. shershen
          shershen 25 August 2014 22: 49
          0
          Better "Phallus". There is nowhere more specifically ...
          and meaning close ...
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 23 August 2014 21: 50
        +5
        ShturmKGB
        Willow, Ash, Poplar-M - a good harvest!


        Ash leaves fell from the oak ... what
      3. Sergey Vl.
        Sergey Vl. 24 August 2014 01: 45
        +4
        This is a whole leafy grove! And soon softwood products are coming.
      4. Engineer
        Engineer 26 August 2014 09: 29
        +1
        Yeah, Tooopol, land to the fluff, to whom it is stuck ....
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 23 August 2014 11: 37
      +9
      Well, part of the Verb could have been sent to the militias in Novorossia.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 August 2014 12: 10
        +27
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Well, part of the Verb could have been sent to the militias in Novorossia.

        Peter, I welcome you! Militias so far without Verb cope with dill aviation. No wonder they scream that they were left without aviation support.
        But, remembering the lessons of Afgan, when our RDG stole Stinger from the Taliban, I would not send there the latest samples of MANPADS, which has no equal in the world. ("The hour is not equal to steal our Grinya").
        Sincerely.
        1. lukke
          lukke 24 August 2014 00: 17
          +5
          And here, remembering the lessons of Afghanistan, when our RDG stole Stinger from the Taliban
          In fact, no one stole anything ("Caravan Hunters" is of course a good film, but there was no delivery of the DRG, and there was a planned overflight of the territory controlled by the operational subordination of the special forces battalion (I can no longer remember the name), as a result of which in January 1987, Antonyuka noticed the motorcyclist spirits, and so it started.
      2. Odyssey-Oleg
        Odyssey-Oleg 23 August 2014 13: 42
        +8
        They already do pretty well. And to give an occasion to Western mongrels to accuse Russia of arms supplies, we have nothing to do with it.
    3. armageddon
      armageddon 23 August 2014 11: 56
      +2
      Hmm ... I wish I could try a game in the Southeast ... In general, it will be great !!!
      1. tommy717
        tommy717 23 August 2014 12: 05
        +8
        There is no one to test there, but for the NATO you can also test.
        1. demon1978
          demon1978 23 August 2014 14: 39
          +3
          tommy717 SU Today, 12:05 ↑ New
          There is no one to test there, but for the NATO you can also test.

          100 %% +++ First of all, for transport workers with mattress instructors, and "humanitarian" aid from Canada
        2. poquello
          poquello 23 August 2014 17: 18
          +4
          Quote: tommy717
          There is no one to test there, but for the NATO you can also test.

          IMHO now they will start transmitting from the Bulgarian Air Force, and the pilots, they say, are already flying strangers.
          1. Gado
            Gado 23 August 2014 18: 36
            +13
            None of the Bulgarian Air Force can transmit, we have almost no aircraft.
            1. poquello
              poquello 23 August 2014 19: 35
              +5
              Quote: Gado
              None of the Bulgarian Air Force can transmit, we have almost no aircraft.

              don't be discouraged
              Now, according to open sources, the Bulgarian Air Force is armed with 12 MiG-21s, 15 MiG-29s (including three combat training ones) and 14 Su-25s.

              http://lenta.ru/news/2014/08/19/mod/
              and then the turn of Slovak and Polish will come, for Macaque has already said that he will help Dill with the modernization of its aircraft, given that the dill is already in the ground in such a situation.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 23 August 2014 14: 27
      +2
      Are these the same ones that were tested in the Far East? Perfectly! There is a good opportunity to test them in real conditions. There would be political will.
      1. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 23 August 2014 16: 01
        +6
        The good news is good news! The more good weapons in the Russian army, the stronger Russia as a whole.
        1. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 23 August 2014 17: 11
          +21
          The enemy plane was attacked by "Verboy" - the pilot gave "Oak" ... bully
    5. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 24 August 2014 10: 53
      0
      If only one ensign was found and sold Verba from the warehouse to the militia for two pennies.
    6. freedom2014
      freedom2014 24 August 2014 16: 53
      +1
      They would put the militias.
  2. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 23 August 2014 11: 17
    +5
    I still do not understand why MANPADS are extremely rare in AOI. T / e is, but mainly in reconnaissance units and paratroopers. What does this trend have been 15-20 for years.
    1. Stypor23
      Stypor23 23 August 2014 11: 26
      +7
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      I still do not understand why MANPADS are extremely rare in AOI

      And for what they are for you, if your neighbors and aviation really do not have it. wink
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 23 August 2014 12: 40
        +4
        Quote: Stypor23
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        I still do not understand why MANPADS are extremely rare in AOI

        And for what they are for you, if your neighbors and aviation really do not have it. wink

        Well yes. And Egypt, and Jordan? Yes, 15 years ago and Syria had quite combat-ready Air Force.
        1. Stypor23
          Stypor23 23 August 2014 14: 01
          +5
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Well yes. And Egypt, and Jordan?

          Well, we will not remember the summer of 1967 and the Israeli Air Force and intelligence. As they say in our kibbutz: “You need to prepare for troubles, and not show off.” It's good when a military technician can get paid for nice words and ruin them if they give them.
          1. demon1978
            demon1978 23 August 2014 14: 57
            +4
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Well yes. And Egypt, and Jordan?
            Well, we will not remember the summer of 1967 and the Israeli Air Force and intelligence. As they say in our kibbutz: “You need to prepare for troubles, and not show off.” It's good when a military technician can get paid for nice words and ruin them if they give them.

            TRUTH, bitter as many other useful medicines, but they MUST be taken !!!!
          2. bekjan
            bekjan 25 August 2014 14: 00
            0
            so we ruined $ 160 billion to help the allies. To prevent bankruptcy of our USSR, 30 billion dollars would be enough.
    2. mad
      mad 23 August 2014 11: 26
      +10
      The cost of one shot from, for example, Needles - 50-80 thousand dollars (depending on version). In addition to ownership, training is needed, and each time not every army can afford to shoot a good foreign car.
      1. saag
        saag 23 August 2014 11: 33
        +5
        Quote: mad
        The cost of one shot from, for example, Needles - 50-80 thousand dollars

        I wonder what is the most expensive, IKGSN? It is unlikely that fuel or electronics, or is it just such a price as defense industry products, budget development in one word?
        1. mad
          mad 23 August 2014 11: 39
          +7
          Yes, the head, each product is almost manual work, with individual settings and tests, and this is thousands of man-hours.
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        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 23 August 2014 12: 47
          +16
          Quote: saag
          I wonder what is the most expensive, IKGSN?

          The overall process for improving MANPADS has led to the following changes:
          - GOS (IR) became 3-x band. (I don’t know for sure, but I dare to assume - IR, visible, UV - tk about this OBS);
          - The solid propellant rocket motor has become more powerful in the same size. Apparently the fuel has become different. This makes it possible to knock down the EC at H = 4,5 km, D = 6,5km and V = 500m / s. Based on these characteristics, dill voiced that Verba was used when their spotter An-6.06.14 was shot down at 4,5km at an altitude of 26km (near Slavyansk).
          - MANPADS received ACS! The time of the control center was reduced to 8 ", it became possible for the VZOI and target distribution between the shooters at firing positions, the" friend or foe "system (was) approved for the new electronic weapon;
          - the complex is capable of independently detecting CCs, including and group.
          So, "we will not stand behind the price!"
          1. vostok2014
            vostok2014 24 August 2014 15: 43
            -5
            ACS moves on a KamAZ attached to MANPADS.
          2. sivuch
            sivuch 26 August 2014 08: 55
            0
            Well, strictly speaking, there were ACSs before - from the times of 1L-15 and R-174P at the shooter
            I had in mind the ACS of the regimental level, that is, the PU-12 and PPRU-1, which were given to the commander of the anti-aircraft missile platoon
        3. aleks 62
          aleks 62 25 August 2014 15: 02
          +1
          ....... In fact, piece (small-scale) production .... This is not to fill cartridges on the cartridge line ...
      2. enot73
        enot73 23 August 2014 11: 49
        +12
        Quote: mad
        The cost of one shot from, for example, Needles - 50-80 thousand dollars (depending on version). In addition to ownership, training is needed, and each time not every army can afford to shoot a good foreign car.

        Do not forget about the cost of targets. Therefore, for primary training, there are computer simulators.
      3. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 23 August 2014 12: 02
        +9
        Quote: mad
        The cost of one shot from, for example, Needles - 50-80 thousand dollars


        Where are the firewood about the cost of MANPADS? This in every way costs much cheaper, about once every 10. Otherwise, the whole point of using MANPADS is completely lost.
        1. mad
          mad 23 August 2014 12: 12
          0
          do you trust wikipedia? Unit cost $ 60-80 thousand (for 2003) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C8%E3%EB%E0_(%EF%E5%F0%E5%ED%EE%F1% ED% EE% E9_% E7% E
          5%ED%E8%F2%ED%FB%E9_%F0%E0%EA%E5%F2%ED%FB%E9_%EA%EE%EC%EF%EB%E5%EA%F1)
          1. Tambov Wolf
            Tambov Wolf 23 August 2014 12: 20
            +9
            There is no American Wikipedia trust. Everyone rules the article as you like.
          2. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 23 August 2014 12: 24
            +7
            Quote: mad
            do you trust wikipedia?

            Boy, are you also looking at the price of bread in your store on Wikipedia?
        2. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 23 August 2014 12: 20
          +2
          Here is the full-time combat unit of only the 1st SME, of which there are tens of thousands in the RF Armed Forces only in peacetime:

          An anti-aircraft missile platoon is designed to destroy enemy aircraft, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles and airborne assault forces at low and medium altitudes.
          A platoon consists of a platoon commander, a deputy platoon commander (he is also a squad leader), three squads (each has a squad leader, 2 anti-aircraft gunners, an armored personnel carrier, an armored personnel carrier and a driver).
          In total, there are 16 people in the platoon of personnel, launching vehicles Strela-2M or Igla - 9, BTR-3.

          Now let's think about how many units of MANPADS will be required to arm all SMEs in wartime?
          And also how to replenish the spent MANPADS in battle if it is a "piece" product, as the user mad tells us.
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 25 August 2014 15: 11
            0
            ..... Piece, piece, almost piece .... More precisely, very small-scale .... Hence the cost ..... Or do you think that the release of several thousand very complex and precision products is a conveyor ??? ? Then you at the cartridge factory ....
        3. enot73
          enot73 23 August 2014 12: 56
          +6
          Quote: wanderer_032
          Where are the firewood about the cost of MANPADS? This in every way costs much cheaper, about once every 10. Otherwise, the whole point of using MANPADS is completely lost.
          In fact, in the military-industrial complex, the concept of money is completely different than on a civilian citizen, and the cost also depends on the size of the series of this product, sometimes you have to discard suitable components for assembly because of the variation in parameters in the lot, which also affects the price. Therefore, in the United States, for example, they believe that tightening one nut in a military product is on average twenty times more expensive than in a civilian one.
          1. muginov2015
            muginov2015 23 August 2014 13: 04
            +6
            the price, I think, is high, but in relation to the "game" it is quite tolerable. I remembered how the battalion commander told us in the 81st - one shot from a tank - the cost of a Zhigulenka. And then AKM cost 154 rubles, I remember that exactly.
          2. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 23 August 2014 13: 12
            +3
            Quote: enot73
            Therefore, in the United States, for example, they believe that tightening one nut in a military product is on average twenty times more expensive than in a civilian one.


            So it’s immediately obvious that price data was written from Matrasia, based on those calculations with which they were always used to operating in their own place in Matrasia.
            In our military-industrial complex, too, they quickly softened up how to split the country's budget into grandmas, but there are guys in the government who also love grandmas, and the GDP only gives a lot of leap, that is. butt. And so those guys who manage purchases find fault with the prices as much as possible (in order to put the money into their pocket), like that somehow.
            And the guys from our military-industrial complex understood that no one would give them money for loot like in Matrasia, because there is "its own" mafia.
        4. APASUS
          APASUS 23 August 2014 19: 23
          +3
          Quote: wanderer_032
          Quote: mad
          The cost of one shot from, for example, Needles - 50-80 thousand dollars


          Where are the firewood about the cost of MANPADS? This in every way costs much cheaper, about once every 10. Otherwise, the whole point of using MANPADS is completely lost.

          Normal cost what's the question?
          If you compare with the cost of a fighter or helicopter, it turns out quite cost-effective
        5. bekjan
          bekjan 25 August 2014 14: 20
          0
          the cost of an airplane and a helicopter is tens, or even hundreds of times more expensive!
        6. aleks 62
          aleks 62 25 August 2014 15: 05
          0
          ...... When I was young ..., (it was during the training shootings in the 80s), to the captain's question .. "is shikoko worth it?" "The answer was" two shots - a Zhiguli car. " ...
      4. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 August 2014 01: 06
        +1
        Quote: mad
        The cost of one shot from, for example, Needles - 50-80 thousand dollars

        Where does the price list come from?
        The price (only missiles) of 9M39 for Igla MANPADS as of 1.08.2008/532/18 is XNUMX thousand rubles, which in dollars is equal to approximately XNUMX thousand (budget trade wind). But the cost of the plane is estimated in the millions.
        1. ermolai
          ermolai 24 August 2014 04: 00
          0
          Well, the nausea is not sour, with large-scale actions, if the standard air defense unit set is 9 pcs. however, costly warriors cost. if akm in the 81st cost 154r. And then the share is like 90kop. it is necessary to invent dust, from which the paisas will fall off, and the brains will be rebuilt on peaceful rails
      5. bekjan
        bekjan 25 August 2014 14: 17
        0
        for this, specialists are trained on virtual "stimulators" as close as possible to real ones.
      6. user1212
        user1212 25 August 2014 17: 51
        0
        Quote: mad
        The cost of one shot from, for example, Needles - 50-80 thousand dollars (depending on version).

        This is not the cost of a shot, but the cost of supplying 1 set for export. Needles for the RF Armed Forces come at very different prices.
    3. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 23 August 2014 12: 12
      +1
      Apparently the rest is covered by a more serious military air defense. Given the size of the country, this is not at all difficult to do, and from whom to cover?
  3. Victor-M
    Victor-M 23 August 2014 11: 17
    +2
    The first Verba portable anti-aircraft missile systems have already entered service with the Russian army.


    Run-in went well, you can take. laughing
  4. mamont5
    mamont5 23 August 2014 11: 18
    +27
    Well then. New reliable weapon At US - it is always pleasing.

    Speaking of aviation. For a long time there was no information about Novorossiysk aviation, or rather, about its only SU-25 combat aircraft. Here are the latest news.

    "The attack aircraft Su-25 of the Ukrainian Air Force, captured by the militias of the Lugansk People's Republic on July 7, entered service with the army of Novorossia on July 13. On that day, he struck the city of Aleksandrovsk in the Luhansk region, where he destroyed six tanks and armored personnel carriers coming out of fascist punishers. July 14 he made a second sortie, during which he struck another blow at the positions of the Ukrainian army.

    However, after the first sorties, media reports no longer mentioned. Nevertheless, he continues to regularly perform combat work, having retrained as a fighter. For the first time in this role, he successfully performed on July 16. Then he NURSami shot down the same type of Ukrainian attack aircraft. According to the official statement of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the plane was shot down by the "Russian Vіiskovy litak". July 24, the pilot of our Su-25 managed to bring down two similar aircraft. The first of them he overwhelmed with NURSami, and the other smashed into pieces from a 30-mm gun GS-30-2.

    However, the ammunition ran out, and the plane stood on the ground for almost a month. Only recently has a local inventor's proposal been introduced to convert anti-aircraft missiles into air-to-air missiles. Having hung several packages with transport and launch containers of the Strela-2M air defense missile system on the pylons, it now takes off when enemy bombers appear. As a rule, his appearance alone is enough for the air robbers to rush away - the Ukrainians cannot shoot down our Su-25, since the respondent of the "friend or foe" recognition system defines him as their own. He managed to shoot down the enemy the day before yesterday over the village of Novosvetlovka. The Ukrainian side acknowledged this loss, adding that both pilots ejected. "
    http://warfiles.ru/show-66706-su-25-opolchencev-prodolzhaet-boevye-vylety.html
    1. dauria
      dauria 23 August 2014 11: 29
      +10
      Ukrainians cannot shoot down our Su-25, since the respondent of the recognition system “friend or foe” defines him as his


      after all, it is a system of "identification", not recognition. And, please, be critical of reasoning on technical topics if you are not familiar with these "pieces of iron". Sorry...
      1. Iline
        Iline 23 August 2014 13: 45
        +14
        The Ukrainian army inherited from the USSR the "Password" state identification system. And it involves the daily input of information from cipher notebooks. I don't think the militia would have these things with the code "SS".
        Here you need to be more careful with the information. For the common people, it will be a skeptical smile for specialists.
    2. Horst78
      Horst78 23 August 2014 11: 31
      +6
      Quote: mamont5
      Ukrainians cannot shoot down our Su-25, because the respondent of the recognition system “friend or foe” defines it as their own.

      Those. for "our" SU-25, the recognition system "friend or foe" does not work, but does it work for the ukroinsky? And the Ukrainians run out of ammunition for NURS and guns? Considering
      he continues to properly perform combat work, retraining in a fighter. For the first time in this role, he successfully performed on July 16. Then he NURSami shot down the same type of Ukrainian attack aircraft. According to the official statement of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the plane was shot down by the "Russian Vіyskovym Litak". On July 24, the pilot of our Su-25 managed to bring down two similar aircraft. He overwhelmed the first of them with NURSami, and the other smashed to pieces from the 30-mm gun GS-30-2.
      1. Explore
        Explore 23 August 2014 13: 20
        +10
        For the first time in this role, he successfully performed on July 16. Then he NURSami shot down the same type of Ukrainian attack aircraft.
        Pay attention to this provocative phrase. This is before the date of the downed Boeing. Why is this done?
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist 24 August 2014 05: 54
          +1
          Quote: Bora
          Those. for "our" SU-25, the recognition system "friend or foe" does not work, but does it work for the ukroinsky? And the Ukrainians run out of ammunition for NURS and guns? Considering

          You can turn off your friend or foe, intelligence, etc.
          During my service there was even a signal "Carpet" to clarify the air situation.
          I suspect that on the means of MANPADS the friend-or-foe code changes in accordance with the tables of the Air Force, the change takes place strictly at a specific time, up to minutes. Probably on portable MANPADS aliens are determined by another system. Devote air defense?
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 23 August 2014 11: 33
      +9
      Something hurts everything looks beautiful. Of course, it is possible to convert the "arrows" to the Su 25 suspension, but the task is not easy, and you will have to pull additional wiring into the cab, and in general. This is not a PC-s to hang during the Second World War. Aviation technicians, ay?
      Comment on how easy it is to shoot down planes with NURSs (only by chance IMHO), and shoot a cannon at an air target without a special sight (the regular one does not count, it is adapted for ground targets)?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 23 August 2014 11: 51
        +7
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Comment on how easy it is to shoot down planes with NURSs

        Down from the time of Khalkhin Gol.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 23 August 2014 13: 12
          +6
          Quote: Spade
          Down from the time of Khalkhin Gol.

          Greetings, Marshal! hi
          There was such a case of the PC-5 with a suspension on the I-16. But those days are far. Technology stepped far forward. MANPADS launch is allowed when the infrared seeker captures the target. Therefore, a colleague Mountain shooter and wrote about the wires to the cabin (assuming the trigger, and not about the signal about the capture of the GSN VTS). But the Slavs everywhere have Slavs. Perhaps such.
          Mountain arrow.
          I am also not special in aviation, but I do not understand what : what is the difference between the GSh firing position from the rear hemisphere (on motionless in relative motion) of the VTs and on the tank on the ground. lol
          Moreover, there is an assumption that the dill SU-25 has successfully done this with the Malaysian Boeing ... So, anything can be!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 23 August 2014 16: 28
            0
            Greetings. You were inattentive, it’s about staffing for Su-25 NURSs, not MANPADS
      2. avt
        avt 23 August 2014 12: 59
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Comment on how easy it is to shoot down planes with NURSs (only by chance IMHO), and shoot a cannon at an air target without a special sight (the regular one does not count, it is adapted for ground targets)?

        Quote: Spade
        Down from the time of Khalkhin Gol.
        And even earlier on the I-4 guns were installed Kurchevsky.
        Hans at the end of the war put on "Swallow" and not only to intercept bombers, after the war amer in general did specialized interceptors with NURS.
    4. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 23 August 2014 11: 38
      +14
      Quote: mamont5
      - Ukrainians cannot shoot down our Su-25, because the defendant of the recognition system "friend or foe", define it as their own.

      If my memory serves me, then this is not true. As far as I remember, the codes for identifying "friend or foe" change daily, and now maybe more often. Su-25 militiamen cannot have these codes in any way - they are introduced by dill, which means that at the request of the Ukrainian air defense, it will be identified on the radar screens as "alien". Therefore, it is not difficult for the Ukrainian air defense to shoot down a militia plane if it is in the area of ​​operation of their stations.
    5. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 August 2014 12: 56
      +3
      Quote: mamont5
      Ukrainians cannot shoot down our Su-25, because the respondent of the recognition system “friend or foe” defines it as their own.

      Excellent inspirational info! (For the civilian public, however, I also read it with great pleasure!)
      In fact. As for the friend or foe identification system, it's a bullet. Because during database maintenance, one-time keys are changed on all aircraft on a daily basis. If the dill doesn't do this, then their HRT organs need to be driven away with a fucking broom!
      Sincerely.
      1. cosmos132
        cosmos132 23 August 2014 19: 57
        0
        They probably have not had HRT bodies for a long time, cryptograms with keys too. Therefore, if the militia is drying in the sky, it can only be recognized by radio channel.
    6. regul10108
      regul10108 23 August 2014 15: 26
      +3
      I wonder who steers this dryer! Respect to him and a bow for professionalism and courage! drinks
    7. cosmos132
      cosmos132 23 August 2014 20: 17
      +1
      Actually, the Strela-2M air defense system is a pipe, and the Strela-1 air defense system and the Strela-10 air defense system are containers and can be hung up. Take the launch system by analogy with the BRDM-2.
      Isn't it better to buy (ask) R-60 missiles. It is full in warehouses - now they do not apply.
  5. gdv
    gdv 23 August 2014 11: 18
    +9
    victory is forged by the hands of a soldier and the best hammer must be put into these hands!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 August 2014 13: 20
      +8
      Quote: gdv
      victory is forged by the hands of a soldier and the best hammer must be put into these hands!
      and constantly make sure that the anvil is not stolen!
  6. vitaz
    vitaz 23 August 2014 11: 19
    +6
    It is necessary to practice with real goals. I know where.
  7. fzr1000
    fzr1000 23 August 2014 11: 19
    +1
    Good. But what is the difference between Verba except that you can shoot at UAV? Here is something new from anti-tank weapons such as Javelin to make and adopt.
    1. alex80
      alex80 23 August 2014 12: 51
      +5
      Needle ceiling - 3 km, Willow - 4,5 km + new control system,
      which will not allow you to mistakenly shoot down your aircraft.
    2. poquello
      poquello 23 August 2014 17: 37
      0
      Quote: fzr1000
      Good. But what is the difference between Verba except that you can shoot at UAV? Here is something new from anti-tank weapons such as Javelin to make and adopt.

      and nah you zhevelin surrendered? would be better than ours - would already do
  8. Iline
    Iline 23 August 2014 11: 20
    +6
    Well, now the enemies will have to fly much higher. The accuracy of air strikes suffers from this, which means that there will be less losses on the battlefield.
    Well done! They wiped the nose of adversaries.
  9. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 23 August 2014 11: 22
    +3
    super news Russia leader will soon be in armaments
  10. gandalf
    gandalf 23 August 2014 11: 29
    +5
    Smolensk birch - so at first they wanted to call it ... but then changed their minds. wink
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 23 August 2014 11: 33
      +2
      Thinly cheated + you
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 August 2014 13: 26
      +4
      Quote: gandalf
      Smolensk birch

      Only after reading komment herruvim did the meaning of what you said came to me! Yes, in Belarus even birch trees guard the Smolensk sky so that all evil spirits in the fog will not fly!
      Definitely (and with great pleasure!) I put you PLUS !!! good
  11. danika
    danika 23 August 2014 11: 33
    +3
    Russia has always been on top in armaments. Especially when necessary.
  12. Prussian
    Prussian 23 August 2014 11: 33
    +4
    Americans do not know how to plan without air support. It can be seen from their work in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that it is not possible to completely replace aviation with artillery, there isn’t that mobility and accuracy, I assure the militia’s position would be deplorable in the case of full-fledged aviation work, all these outbreaks and breakthroughs that ended in boilers would make sense. Therefore, covering the third flank (air) is a matter of survival.
  13. Iskander 090
    Iskander 090 23 August 2014 11: 33
    +3
    good equipment needed
  14. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 23 August 2014 11: 37
    +4
    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are receiving the newest Verba MANPADS. Great news, there would be more such news. good good good soldier
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 August 2014 11: 37
    +3
    "Willow" is certainly a beauty in its class. The presence of such systems will "strain" the flight crew of the adversary, regardless of whether a particular goal has these means or not. It is also not strongly targeted at heat traps, and is directed to the "anticipatory point", which makes it even more deadly. And the trail from the launch is not so noticeable (as in the Needle in comparison with the Strela).
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 August 2014 13: 34
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      aims at the "look-ahead point"

      Zhenya! Point - Ahead! not proactive. Proactive can be attack, shooting, etc.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And the trail from the launch is not so noticeable (as in the Needle in comparison with the Strela).
      Well, you brother put everything together! Write clearly expressing your thought, otherwise you have to think over it, and on Saturday morning it is not always easy! drinks
  16. Manul
    Manul 23 August 2014 11: 44
    +6
    First "Arrow". Then "Needle". The next name was expected as "Bolt", "Awl" or "Spitsa" .. And then "Willow". But to say nothing - a beautiful name love . Multiplies our herbarium to fear enemies! soldier
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 24 August 2014 11: 32
      +1
      Our botanists are the strongest in the world: "Hyacinth", "Tulip", "Acacia", "Cornflower" (this is my favorite name for a flower) ... "Willow". Glory to Russian botany! I will always be glad to the appearance of new flora hi
  17. MSA
    MSA 23 August 2014 11: 46
    +2
    Great news, handsome !!!
  18. AUL
    AUL 23 August 2014 11: 56
    +8
    I would call the next model "Aspen stake"!
  19. Mihail177
    Mihail177 23 August 2014 11: 58
    +5
    On dill, you need to experience faster. And then their aviation ends.
    1. Nychego
      Nychego 23 August 2014 12: 49
      +5
      Not hesitating with an answer
      The guy gives change:
      "Do not grieve. The German has this
      Not the last plane! "
      A.T. Twardovsky
      (quote from memory)
  20. Lopatov
    Lopatov 23 August 2014 11: 59
    +4
    The range is still small. A MANPADS operating at ranges of up to 9-10 km is needed to cover the range of Helfires. However, I'm not sure that this can be done in the format of a portable complex.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 23 August 2014 12: 55
      +3
      Quote: Spade
      However, I’m not sure that this can be done in a portable complex format.

      For this, there are other systems such as ZRAK "Pantsir", SAM "TOR", SAM "OSA", SAM "BUK", etc.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 23 August 2014 20: 19
        +1
        This is understandable. But here is the ficus picus: so MANPADS and can die out as a class. Due to lack of goals. Now ATGMs with a flight range of 8 km are even installed on drones. So what you need ...
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 August 2014 13: 43
      +4
      Quote: Spade
      A MANPADS operating at ranges of up to 9-10 km is needed to cover the range of Helfires.

      Colleague! These ranges (9-10km) are already the prerogative of self-defense air defense systems (fleet) or short-range (SV), such as the Wasp, Dagger. And the energy needed is appropriate, which means the weight of the rocket and all MANPADS will be unbearable.
      But a tactical technique of advancing the interception lines in threatened directions 4-6 km ahead - it is possible to reduce the threat of "clear fire". These things are called ambushes.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 23 August 2014 20: 20
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        But with the tactical technique of pushing the boundaries of interception in threatened areas 4-6 km ahead

        Before the infantry? In modern warfare this is impossible.
  21. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 23 August 2014 12: 49
    +2
    Happy! It’s good that the defense industry works and produces a result! Keep it up!
  22. inspection
    inspection 23 August 2014 12: 49
    +4
    In 1982, the cost of a shot from Strela-Igla was about the same as the cost of a Zhiguli five.
    About 6000 rubles. Those wooden ones.
    "We need MANPADS operating at ranges up to 9-10 km"
    What to feed the detection complex at such a range?
    There is Arrow-10 and the Wasp.

    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 23 August 2014 13: 03
      +3
      Quote: Verification
      In 1982, the cost of a shot from Strela-Igla was about the same as the cost of a Zhiguli five.
      About 6000 rubles. Those wooden ones.
      What to feed the detection complex at such a range?


      Even at modern prices, this will not be 60-80 thousand bucks, by any means.
    2. ermolai
      ermolai 24 August 2014 04: 25
      0
      respected in 1982
      Quote: Verification
      About 6000 rubles. Those wooden ones.
      , but then the share was worth 90 kop. or something like that but cheaper than the ruble, then I needed coins for cigarettes, and the rate of the share did not fluctuate, but it was like that.
  23. genadevich169
    genadevich169 23 August 2014 13: 18
    +4
    Yes it is a thing!
  24. Lock
    Lock 23 August 2014 14: 00
    +2
    Experienced in the "fields of the outskirts", now you can go to the troops!
  25. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 23 August 2014 14: 27
    +3
    It is time for products under the name "ASPIN" to appear, which we will drive into Washington and Brussels.
    hi
  26. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 23 August 2014 14: 37
    +4
    the new weapon is excellent! IMHO, I personally rejoice more for the people producing this weapon .. about the fact that these people stopped making juicers .. that means the adversary will have more hemorrhoids and less desire to attack laughing
  27. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 23 August 2014 14: 56
    +9
    Quote: alex80
    Needle ceiling - 3 km, Willow - 4,5 km + new control system,
    which will not allow you to mistakenly shoot down your aircraft.


    Now the downed dill fliers will have an expression- RECRUITED! wassat
  28. Loner_53
    Loner_53 23 August 2014 15: 00
    0
    Quote: el.krokodil
    the new weapon is excellent! IMHO, I personally rejoice more for the people producing this weapon .. about the fact that these people stopped making juicers .. that means the adversary will have more hemorrhoids and less desire to attack laughing


    Correctly noticed Dear, hemorrhoids will be provided to them "spostatam" smile
  29. special
    special 23 August 2014 15: 09
    0
    Good news! Still trained people for these complexes more and better prepared .. winked
  30. Denimax
    Denimax 23 August 2014 15: 18
    0
    Quote: muginov2015
    ROSGA — that would be more concrete.

    A fly swatter would sound more fun. smile
  31. regul10108
    regul10108 23 August 2014 15: 19
    0
    Something like that! "Verbal" hello to adversaries! fellow
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  33. reguai
    reguai 23 August 2014 15: 31
    +3

    romance "Willow" winked
    see directly does not work, only through YouTube))
  34. Denimax
    Denimax 23 August 2014 15: 33
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    The range is still small. A MANPADS operating at ranges of up to 9-10 km is needed to cover the range of Helfires. However, I'm not sure that this can be done in the format of a portable complex.

    Further and higher, of course it never hurts. But where does Helfaer?
    These are missiles for various purposes. For cruisers and battleships, the range of guns was also greater than that of submarine torpedoes, but this did not prevent the latter from drowning the former. They have the main advantage as MANPADS is stealth.
    1. ultra
      ultra 23 August 2014 22: 12
      0
      This refers to the defeat of MANPADS rockets helfayer.Dronov for example.
  35. pensioner
    pensioner 23 August 2014 15: 44
    +1
    MANPADS "Verba"

    Something we have is not a constructor, but some Michurinians what ... Again this Willow breeds by budding repeat ...
  36. Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 August 2014 15: 48
    +4
    Offtop. Our in Severodonetsk fascists hollow !!!))) http://rusvesna.su/news/1408789934 If they hold out near Izvarino, soon Kramatorsk and Karachun will be ours.)))
  37. Babai34rus
    Babai34rus 23 August 2014 15: 59
    +2
    Militia on trial !!!
  38. fridge
    fridge 23 August 2014 16: 31
    0
    Krasava! But the guys who got a prototype in Afghanistan were never awarded.
  39. sv1099ak
    sv1099ak 23 August 2014 17: 02
    0
    For the enemy, there will be a "weeping willow".
  40. vodolaz
    vodolaz 23 August 2014 17: 46
    +1
    The militia must be given to finish off the remains of the dill air force,
  41. alauda1038
    alauda1038 23 August 2014 18: 05
    0
    send to New Russia for testing
  42. santush
    santush 23 August 2014 18: 30
    +4
    Glory to Russia!
  43. santush
    santush 23 August 2014 18: 31
    +2
    Glory to Russia!
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 24 August 2014 01: 19
      0
      Quote: santush
      Glory to Russia!

      At the beginning of the video, is it by chance that Kiev is not over the Dnieper?
  44. Observer2014
    Observer2014 23 August 2014 19: 19
    +1
    The new principle of the control system eliminates the possibility of defeating MANPADS "Verba" of the aircraft of their own air forces or the air forces of an ally. THERE ARE KEY WORDS OF THE ARTICLE! We sell to anyone and any number, however, shoot only at those targets for which we allow!
    1. cosmos132
      cosmos132 23 August 2014 20: 04
      0
      IF rocket head (GOS) does not capture its aircraft
  45. egsp
    egsp 23 August 2014 21: 31
    +1
    It's time to turn to your air defense before, we are waiting for the Buk-M3, Tor-M2, S-300B4 in the troops, welcome!
  46. Drunya
    Drunya 23 August 2014 21: 57
    +1
    Russian "gift" for the Independence Day of Ukraine
    On August 22, the Admiralty Shipyards OJSC held a ceremony of raising the Navy flag on the diesel-electric submarine Novorossiysk of project 636.3. The ceremony was attended by Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu, Acting Governor of St. Petersburg Georgy Poltavchenko, President of USC OJSC Alexei Rakhmanov.

    According to the plans of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the entire series of six submarines of the modified project 636.3 will go to the Black Sea Fleet. Ships of this series are named after cities bearing the honorary titles of "Hero City" or "City of Military Glory." The second submarine - Rostov-on-Don, launched in June 2014, successfully passes mooring trials, the third ship - Stary Oskol, will be launched on August 28 of this year. In February 2014, the laying of the fourth boat, Krasnodar, took place. In October, two more diesel-electric submarines will be laid - Veliky Novgorod and Kolpino.

    The submarine Novorossiysk of project 636.3 developed by the Central Design Bureau of Marine Equipment Rubin, the lead in the series being built for the Black Sea Fleet, was launched in August 2010. DEPLs of the modified 636 project have higher (compared with previous projects) combat effectiveness. The optimal combination of acoustic stealth and target detection range, the latest inertial navigation system, a modern automated information and control system, and powerful high-speed torpedo-missile weapons provide world-class priority for ships of this class in the field of non-nuclear underwater shipbuilding.

    Submarines of this series belong to the third generation of diesel-electric submarines and are a modification of diesel-electric submarines of projects 877 and 877 ECM. All the best that was in these projects, successfully echoes the new developments of TsKB MT Rubin.

    Submarines of this family of all modifications are one of the largest series of submarines in the history of world shipbuilding. In total, more than sixty of these diesel-electric submarines, which are in service with the Navy of many countries of the world, were built.

    http://i-korotchenko.livejournal.com/2014/08/22/
  47. TOR2
    TOR2 23 August 2014 23: 38
    +3
    "In other words, the Verba can be especially effective against enemy drones."
    It makes sense if the UAV is large. Reconnaissance or UAV spotters are small in size and low in cost. Moreover, it is rather difficult to detect such a UAV. I think in the near future it will be necessary to develop a portable complex for the destruction of such devices. But it is unlikely that it will be a missile; microwave radiation can be used as a damaging effect. In this situation, the cost of the "shot" will be much lower than the cost of the UAV. The complex will have to search for the target itself, the operator will only direct it to the sector of interest.
    On such UAVs, mattresses make very big bets and they should break off the buzz. smile
    So I wish the Engineering Design Bureau new interesting developments.
    1. saag
      saag 24 August 2014 08: 32
      0
      Quote: TOR2
      can use microwave radiation

      it is well shielded
      1. TOR2
        TOR2 24 August 2014 15: 09
        +1
        I agree with you that the enemy will oppose this. The microwave "infection" is still the same and it is quite difficult to fight it. Any antenna, camera or external sensor and "gift" are already under the screen. Of course, it is possible to protect equipment that is on the ground from this impact. It is much more difficult with flying machines, especially if the machine is small.
        http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/archive/perspektivy-chudo-oruzhiya31-03-2013-09-57-
        00 /
        http://gunm.ru/news/russkoe_ehlektromagnitnoe_oruzhie/2012-04-19-1012
  48. Sultan Babai
    Sultan Babai 23 August 2014 23: 53
    0
    Good news! Regarding the names of our weapons, we are Russians are great originals, Mikhail Zadornov has a humor on this subject !!!
  49. Magadan
    Magadan 24 August 2014 03: 57
    0
    I really hope that they will appear at the Militia soon. How will they appear?
    1) Russia delivered to South Ossetia, and that along the sea delivered to the Militias (the main thing is that the militias break through to the sea)
    2) Russian servicemen left the military unit together with "Verb". They left a note that they fled to fight against the Nazis. Operational measures are underway to catch the "deserters"
    3) The military unit was attacked by either the right-wing people or some other terrorists. They kidnapped the "Willows". On the territory of the DPR they were caught by the Militia. The willows were taken away.
    4) Fuck knows where they got (Militia) "Willow". We find out. We will find, we will punish. We are confident that the United States is also looking for and punishing those who supply weapons to Syrian terrorists. And in Hungary, those who supplied the T-72 to dill will definitely be planted
  50. Dinko
    Dinko 24 August 2014 03: 58
    +1
    As far as I know, Verba has a combined guidance system and traps shot from airplanes that are practically useless. Regarding the protection of their own and allied airplanes, it’s just that Verba has an automatic target interrogator like Svoi-aliens. A good thing, it would be nice to see in the near future time anti-tank missile system superior to the American Javelin of our production and preferably cheaper.