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"Extremely arrogant"


“First of all, they are extremely arrogant. They believe that the very fact of their appearance should already overwhelm the enemy. Secondly, they have lousy intelligence, ”said Sergei Shestov, president of the international public organization of veterans of special forces of the state security bodies Vympel, commenting on the actions of their American colleagues.

The United States, as it became known on Thursday night, made an unsuccessful attempt to free the hostages held in Syria. “The operation included air and ground components and was aimed at a specific network of thieves in the Islamic State grouping. Unfortunately, the mission was not successful, because the hostages were not in this place, ”said Pentagon spokesman John Kirby, RIA reports.News».

According to Kirby, in the future, the US government will use its military, intelligence and diplomatic capabilities to capture the captured terrorists, the Americans returned home, adds Reuters.

Kirby’s statement does not indicate when the operation was carried out. However, the Assistant to the President of the United States on the fight against terrorism, Lisa Monaco, in a separate statement, said that the head of state "ordered it to be held earlier this summer."

The White House also stressed that "they will not be able to disclose the details of this operation," but clarified: "The government was confident that it possesses enough intelligence information."

In turn, The Washington Post, citing unnamed sources in the US administration, reports that the operation was carried out by special forces with the participation of "almost all services" and was aimed at freeing the hostages, including James Fowley. The source said that “the military acted very aggressively and very quickly,” but this did not help them.

Recall, on Wednesday night, a video appeared on the Internet called “Message to America”, which captures how militants cut off the head of journalist James Fowley, who went missing in Syria two years ago. Before his death, Fowley, captured by Iraqi militants from the Islamic State group, blamed the US government for his death.

By the way, according to the New York Times, the militants demanded a ransom in 100 million dollars from the United States for the release of Foley. This was related by the relatives of the executed journalist. But the American authorities refused to pay, making a bet on the special services.

Interestingly, the US authorities were not going to tell anything about the failed special operation, but were forced to make a corresponding confession after the information got into the media, ITAR-TASS reports.

“We have never sought to disclose information about this operation. Fears for the security of the hostages and the necessary security measures as part of the operation demanded that we keep as much secrecy as possible, ”said Caitlin Hayden, the official representative of the National Security Council at the White House. According to her, the administration “made a public message only when it became clear that a number of media outlets were preparing reports on this operation, and we have no other choice.”

About why the Americans could not free the hostages, the newspaper VIEW questioned the President of the international public organization of veterans of special forces of state security bodies "Vympel" Sergey Shestov.

VIEW: Sergey Semenovich, how would you rate the operation of the American special services to free the hostages? Why, when the special forces arrived at the scene, nobody was there?

Sergey Shestov: This is their traditional "scheme". What you just said, of course, I myself heard. But you try to call the successful operation of US special forces. A successful operation of at least some significance ...

VIEW: What is the reason for these failures? Significant funds are being invested in the special services and the US Army as a whole ...

S. Sh.: This happens throughout not only these events, but for dozens of years. At one time we actively tracked them, and they, respectively, tracked us. So, in general, I can say that there are several reasons why Americans are failing in such operations.

VIEW: But the Americans managed to eliminate Bin Laden. You mean that you originally wanted to kidnap him?

S. Sh.: In my opinion, this was the operation “Despair”. The bottom line is that enmity within political elites in the United States led to the death of Bin Laden. It was beneficial for one side to seize it, and they tried to do it at any cost, the other side could not be seized by any means, because otherwise negative information about themselves would be revealed. And still, those who wanted to really liquidate it won. It was such an internal struggle, including within the special forces, in which there are fans of both the one and the second elite. And for the money, you can and accidentally shoot, and deliberately ... In general, I called this operation from a professional point of view the operation "Despair".

VIEW: Is this your hypothesis?

S. Sh.: Yes, this is my version. But according to the amount of information that was available, I concluded that the current US president had a plan to take Bin Laden alive. To just "bang" him, it was not necessary to organize all this and raise such a hype.

VIEW: By the way, the US administration did not intend to talk about the latest failure. They did this only when the information leaked to the press. It seems that journalists know more than US intelligence during special operations ...

S. Sh.: Yes. But when I talked about leaks, I meant intelligence information. Too many agents - in this case, Arab countries - are in their special units. So, even at the stage of a special operations plan, the possibility of its leakage to the enemy is not excluded.
As for the administration, they always come true. Anyone will make excuses, right?

VIEW: If there were Russians in the place of the Americans, what could our special services do? How prepared are they for the possible release of hostages in the Middle East and other hot spots?

S. Sh.: I can say so: operations of this kind, which we carried out and, I hope, we will conduct, almost always ended successfully.

VIEW: You mean first of all the Soviet experience?

S. Sh.: Both Soviet and modern. To the disappointment of the common people and the press, little is said openly about the latter, few people know about these operations, and we only know what the intelligence services consider it necessary to tell ... But I assure you: very few failed operations most succeeded.

VIEW: Give at least one example.

S. Sh.: Well, the classic example is the 1979 year, the events in Afghanistan, the capture of the capital of the country, Kabul. We then lost three people, the wounded were still about twelve. A total of 60 people participated from the special forces. There were also those who passed under the legend, like the protection of government buildings, etc. And the airborne battalion was also introduced. With these forces we managed to capture the whole city.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 23 August 2014 07: 36
    +19
    The White House also stressed that "they will not be able to disclose the details of this operation," but clarified: "The government was confident that it possesses enough intelligence information."
    Forgot to add that - "which we have been collecting from the Internet for a long time ..." I now understand why Americans like Medvedev so much ...
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 23 August 2014 09: 31
      +4
      In America, good specialists in special forces ended.
      1. Finches
        Finches 23 August 2014 09: 50
        +22
        Not really about the special forces, but all the less. Briefly tell you. Like a joint exercise, the generator died, and the second did not start, ours was a zone of responsibility, but not on purpose, of course! Pin .., the Americans in the headquarters butterfly all of their vaunted automated control systems, simply the headquarters computers are a little hung up, I won’t say why their backup power sources did not work, but the fact remains. They are sitting scratching their turnips, and the situation is changing, it needs to be put on the slabs, the reports are going on ... Our operators took officer rulers from field bags, and curvimeters and let's continue to map the situation! On the contrary, they fell into their element. Americans were taught the same thing at West Point, they also had electronic curvimeters with wheels, but they taught it, but they never did it in practice, the computer did everything, and ours did so many computers, only and then they saw these teachings! At that time, there was one computer on the floor at the headquarters, and no one really knew how to work for them, there were fights for a soldier computer technician or lieutenant nerd! laughing
        In short, the Americans had to help draw a map until light was given .. laughing
        1. rodevaan
          rodevaan 23 August 2014 17: 42
          +6
          The bottom line is that the enmity within the political elites in the United States led to the death of Bin Laden. It was beneficial for one side to capture him, and they tried to do it at any cost, the other side in no way could capture him, because otherwise negative information about themselves would have been revealed.

          - By the way, from that special forces detachment that failed Laden, no one survived.
      2. Момент
        Момент 23 August 2014 11: 10
        +6
        The mere fact that they executed the American journalist and kept him prisoner for two years speaks of special training.
      3. Lelek
        Lelek 23 August 2014 12: 44
        +9
        In the USA, good specialists were and are only in Hollywood fantasies. Whatever significant operation they always performed - srach (Vietnam, Iran, Al Qaeda, Libya ...). So there’s nothing to end with. soldier
        1. gdv
          gdv 23 August 2014 17: 46
          +5
          they just always have a plan! and we have a situation)))
          1. rodevaan
            rodevaan 24 August 2014 07: 33
            +1
            Quote: gdv
            they just always have a plan! and we have a situation)))


            - Duck was talking about this Bismarck. True, his descendants did not listen to him. But in vain.
      4. Venier
        Venier 23 August 2014 18: 34
        +2
        Good specialists in special forces ran out in America
        America may soon end completely.
      5. fairmen
        fairmen 23 August 2014 18: 42
        0
        It never happened
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 23 August 2014 19: 47
      +2
      It is time to evacuate their Americans from Kuev. They won’t have time again. laughing
    3. Cadet787
      Cadet787 23 August 2014 20: 55
      +7
      In Mariupol, a US instructor-mercenary was shot dead
      23.08.2014 - 18: 08
      In Mariupol, a veteran of the 3rd Rangers battalion was shot from an anti-tank rifle designed by Simonov (PTRS).

      As "Ridus" writes with reference to the "Novorossiya" agency, a mercenary from the United States arrived at a training center for recruits from the armed formations of Ukrainian nationalists near Mariupol as a senior instructor.

      It’s not for you to drive the monkeys on the palm trees, you’ll lie down in the Donetsk land .....
    4. avia1991
      avia1991 23 August 2014 22: 43
      0
      Quote: svp67
      I now understand why Americans like Medvedev so much ...

      And I understand why their sympathies are mutual ..
    5. Sultan Babai
      Sultan Babai 24 August 2014 13: 59
      0
      their backwardness in education was supposed to show up somewhere, including in intelligence.
    6. sgazeev
      sgazeev 25 August 2014 16: 20
      0
      Quote: svp67
      The White House also stressed that "they will not be able to disclose the details of this operation," but clarified: "The government was confident that it possesses enough intelligence information."
      Forgot to add that - "which we have been collecting from the Internet for a long time ..." I now understand why Americans like Medvedev so much ...

      Ifon Otpadovich makes me laugh because of his clowning, especially during the first time of his presidency. It is a big mistake of VVP that he has such a "friend".
  2. Rigla
    Rigla 23 August 2014 07: 38
    +2
    Conducting special operations is always an extremely difficult task for any unit, and failure should not be surprised.
    1. Hariva
      Hariva 23 August 2014 08: 12
      +5
      At least you need to learn from failures. Based on the contents of the article, Americans are pathologically incapable of this.
  3. Imperialkolorad
    Imperialkolorad 23 August 2014 07: 40
    +12
    Recently, it has been good for the Americans to only bribe the leaders of the attacked countries and bring the same countries into the Stone Age. Otherwise, success is noticeably more modest.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 23 August 2014 09: 22
      +7
      Quote: ImperialKolorad
      Recently, it has been good for the Americans to only bribe the leaders of the attacked countries and bring the same countries into the Stone Age. Otherwise, success is noticeably more modest.

      The Americans managed so well and so long to fool their own population that now they just have no place to recruit the necessary quality personnel, not to rent from Israel, the boomerang has returned.
      Let them try to turn to Russia for help, though for this they will have to become our allies, join the CU and CSTO, or, in general, join the Russian Federation as autonomy. bully
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 24 August 2014 07: 57
        0
        Quote: PENZYAC
        true for this they will have to become our allies, join the CU and the CSTO
        No.Let them give a written commitment to grow wiser, then you can provide them with associated membership in the TS with a 10-year probationary period
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 23 August 2014 10: 37
      0
      Quote: ImperialKolorad
      Recently, it has been good for the Americans to only bribe the leaders of the attacked countries and bring the same countries into the Stone Age. Otherwise, success is noticeably more modest.

      Well, do not tell me, bin Laden was nevertheless urinated. This year, out of 2 operations to capture theter in Africa, 1 ended successfully (in Libya - they took whom they wanted), the other failed (in Somalia - there was no client on the spot), but both without losses, and they crumbled a lot in both Allah Akbar. And this operation, too, was not bad, the Islamists were crushed, but there were no hostages in place. 2 out of 4 successful ones - I think it’s not bad, taking into account the nature of operations and the difficulty of obtaining reliable intelligence.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 23 August 2014 11: 00
        +16
        Quote: Nagan
        Bin Laden still wet

        The death of Bin Laden is a dark story.
        Firstly, about the inconsistencies and strangenesses of September 11, I did not hear only the deaf.
        Secondly, all the special forces participating in the operation died very quickly.
        In general, there is a strong suspicion that he was an agent of the United States itself.
        Quote: Nagan
        and in both allah-akbar crumbled a lot

        The purpose of the special operation is to perform a specific task, and not to destroy a large amount of enemy manpower. For the latter, special forces are not needed; it is better to entrust the army with heavy weapons. If the hostage is not in place, then the operation was completely failed, and the rest does not matter.
        1. Buran
          Buran 23 August 2014 11: 47
          +10
          You will be very surprised, but from the very beginning, he was an agent of the CIA. Al-Qaeda is a CIA project fostered for the dirty tricks of the USSR in Afghanistan. And this is a well-known fact.
          1. faterdom
            faterdom 23 August 2014 12: 40
            +4
            "Black Storks" - Laden's gang during the OKSV era.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 23 August 2014 13: 04
            +2
            I know about al-Qaeda. Another thing is that in the world of special services such a tangle of lies and intrigue is woven that a person from the outside can only guess who the specific agent is working for and what he thinks about it.
      2. Rostislav
        Rostislav 23 August 2014 14: 25
        +3
        there was a plan to take bin Laden alive. To just “bang” him, it was not necessary to organize all this

        I completely agree. And in order to make a bunch
        allah akbar
        crumble whether it is necessary to send special forces? Such an operation result is a failure. Well, if they say the truth in such operations, even if they say so, after 20 years, not earlier.
      3. 23 region
        23 region 23 August 2014 15: 18
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        Well, don’t tell, bin Laden was

        it was Operation Despair.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 24 August 2014 08: 03
          +1
          Quote: Region 23
          it was Operation Despair.
          Anecdote of that time. Bin Laden comes home after work, asks his wife: "No one was looking for me?"
      4. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 23 August 2014 20: 09
        +5
        Quote: Nagan
        and in both Allah Akbar they crumbled a lot.

        Who cares about borscht when such things are in the kitchen? The killed "allah-akbar" is a marriage, shitty work of shitty workers. When I call a plumber, I expect him to clean the toilet, not harass my wife. If a special police goes to free the hostages, and instead brings down outsiders - this is not a special police, this is a dubie.
        The United States has a gigantic intelligence community. You can’t even call it special services, it’s already a state in a state. So what? They know how to trade foolishness, but as for the extraction of information ... as before nothing worked, and now, zero point ten shish. Shame ...
      5. avia1991
        avia1991 23 August 2014 22: 48
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        This year out of 2 operations to capture ter in Africa, 1 ended successfully

        Where did the details come from?
    3. rodevaan
      rodevaan 23 August 2014 17: 55
      +4
      Quote: ImperialKolorad
      Recently, it has been good for the Americans to only bribe the leaders of the attacked countries and bring the same countries into the Stone Age. Otherwise, success is noticeably more modest.


      “Better yet, they manage to give everyone promises and assurances.” This is what they’re best at, because there are a lot of suckers and idiots who still believe in these fables (by the way, we were also an honorary member of this community for about 20 years) ...
      And the embossing in the Stone Age ends as quickly as these countries can counter these modern embossments with adequate Russian-made air defense. You don’t have to go far for examples - The war in Korea is the most vivid proof of this and the worldwide pig-squeal about the hypothetical deliveries of our air defense to Iran.
    4. Stanislas
      Stanislas 24 August 2014 07: 48
      0
      Quote: ImperialKolorad
      Recently, it has been good for the Americans to only bribe the leaders of the attacked countries and bring the same countries into the Stone Age.
      We are also being attacked, but they did not manage to bribe our leader, they feed one husk in the embassy, ​​and they are afraid to even think about "blowing in".
  4. Loner_53
    Loner_53 23 August 2014 07: 42
    +7
    ВLOOK: If there were Russians in the place of the Americans, what could our special services do? How prepared are they for the possible release of hostages in the Middle East and other hot spots?

    S. Sh.: I can say so: the operations of this kind that we carried out and, I hope, will continue to carry out, almost always ended successfully.

    THIS IS ALL SCAN soldier drinks
  5. andrei332809
    andrei332809 23 August 2014 07: 45
    +9
    Hurry and ambition among the Yankees for 200 years ahead of time. but often they get snot. for some reason I immediately recall psheks. boastful woodpeckers
  6. fisherman
    fisherman 23 August 2014 08: 04
    +5
    Only Hollywood works well for America ... there he was on Mars and the hostages are easily released ... damn they live in a world of illusions and others believe them
  7. Penzuck
    Penzuck 23 August 2014 08: 11
    +2
    On the example of the Roman army: Roman cattle breeders (compulsory military service) - + auxiliary troops of Italians, professional army (recruitment in Rome and Italy, volunteers), Romans + Italics + Gauls + Germans, degradation of heavy infantry, then the Romans and Italians completely disappeared (garrison service), and the federals began to fight (the most combat-ready border legions), the barbarian legions are more devoted to the Generals than to Rome. So the Latin-Negro army of the United States does not fight for the United States itself (mainly for money), and the white troops are degrading. Then the army service will become unpopular for the Anglo-Saxons (hippans).

    Bottom line: the US civil war, the collapse under the blows of Canada and Mexico, well, maybe the Chinese landing in California and the British in Florida. Waiting for.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 23 August 2014 09: 36
      +3
      Quote: Penzuck
      ...
      Bottom line: the US civil war, the collapse under the blows of Canada and Mexico, well, maybe the Chinese landing in California and the British in Florida. Waiting for.

      Alaska, Northern California, including San Francisco (Fort Ross) and Brighton Beach in New York - historically Russian territories, what the hell are the Chinese ?! request fool soldier bully
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 23 August 2014 11: 22
        +5
        Dear, are you not much drunk early on Saturday morning?
        1. rodevaan
          rodevaan 24 August 2014 07: 35
          0
          Quote: KBR109
          Dear, are you not much drunk early on Saturday morning?


          - What doesn’t happen in the world? Even the most impossible is possible. And the possibility of the return of Alaska - although it seems very improbable - but it exists.
  8. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 23 August 2014 08: 11
    +6
    Believing in their "over exclusiveness", possessing overwhelming conceit, the Americans completely lost their instinct for self-preservation, speaking in Russian: they lost their scent.
  9. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 23 August 2014 08: 12
    +2
    the Americans squeezed money of 100 million and forgot how to free, but on a cheeseburger it’s far poor and not that America has already begun, but the militants are not so fools the world is changing everywhere Americans began to get kick in the ass
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 23 August 2014 09: 40
      +1
      Quote: VICTOR-61
      the Americans squeezed money of 100 million and forgot how to free, but on a cheeseburger it’s far poor and not that America has already begun, but the militants are not so fools the world is changing everywhere Americans began to get kick in the ass

      So, they are stupid! fool
  10. andj61
    andj61 23 August 2014 08: 28
    +5
    But you try to name the successful operation of the American special forces. A successful operation of at least some significance ...

    This is for sure - in Iran, and in Somalia, and in Lebanon ... How familiar it is - people are dying, the operation does not achieve its goals, and then Hollywood reports with another blockbuster about the next successes of Delta!
  11. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 23 August 2014 08: 29
    +2
    All their special forces only in Hollywood are shown as superheroes, and in real life, any of our paratroopers will give them a hundred points of odds, they are used to considering themselves superhuman, they think if they appear, everyone should kneel in front of them and not look up at the supermen.
  12. vlad-58
    vlad-58 23 August 2014 08: 59
    +3
    in Yugoslavia, with joint patrols according to the schedule of "areas where there is a danger of outbreaks of terrorism"; ours and the Americans (special forces, a familiar officer told me). (Americans are huge, pumped-up blacks, bodywork, unloading, all things ...; ours - well, they've all seen, sometimes they look like drunks).
    here on patrol: - stop every hour (according to the regulations, drink coffee!); - it happens, and quite often, the repair of cars (ball joints in the mountains only fly, lateral forces, and on our "goats" - springs ...); - when approaching a settlement (clearly visible and te teh), they act according to the instructions - dispersal, taking control points, observation and all that ... (they are told - the guys came back from there an hour ago, they were chasing plum brandy - plum brandy is a secret strategic resource - ...) so not a fig, they stupidly perform ...
    for a raid that takes 2 hours - it leaves all day, stupidly, inefficiently, everything can be done easier and faster - pay a lot to a local peasant, he will hit ...
    but basketball ... wow, here they are - special forces! desert eagles ...
    he cursed - a friend-officer - after the first glass on amers, they took out, grit, with his instructions, regulations and charters ...
    1. 23 region
      23 region 23 August 2014 15: 27
      +4
      Quote: vlad-58
      got, grit, with their instructions, regulations and charters ...

      At the slightest violation of instructions or form, insurance cannot be seen if something happens. So they "do stupidly".
      1. mark2
        mark2 23 August 2014 16: 24
        +1
        I wanted to say the same thing. About regulations and instructions. This is good and bad. It is good that they take care of their personnel, since no insurance company wants to pay insurance so simply, but on the other hand, the effectiveness of such combat operations is worthless.
  13. Kakaktus
    Kakaktus 23 August 2014 09: 24
    0
    They just didn’t look at the social network on time.
  14. mig31
    mig31 23 August 2014 09: 28
    +3
    Our special forces have no equal in the whole world, and you know why !? - we are not killers, and not destroyers - we are creators .....
  15. jovanni
    jovanni 23 August 2014 09: 46
    +3
    The habit of eating fast foods and drinking beer with cola led Americans to total obesity. Brains with fat also swam. Watch out, Russians! Do not repeat everything behind them like parrots! This will help our homeland!
  16. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 23 August 2014 10: 21
    0
    Akela missed! Akela missed!
    We are waiting for the Council of the Pack to recognize that he is a "dead wolf"
  17. Alfizik
    Alfizik 23 August 2014 10: 27
    0
    But what kind of "Rambs" they have! And how they crumble aliens! They even have Obama from the White Barracks pulling dumbbells.
    1. gdv
      gdv 23 August 2014 17: 51
      0
      DUMBBELLS!!!!?????!!!!! come on!) it’s kind of like a tovo! not by concepts to drag gontels to him !!)))))
      1. Alfizik
        Alfizik 24 August 2014 14: 51
        0
        They showed it on TV. Women's, kilogram ...
  18. Nina Czerny
    Nina Czerny 23 August 2014 10: 28
    +4
    "S. Sh.: Well, a classic example is 1979, the events in Afghanistan, the capture of the country's capital, Kabul. We then lost three people, there were about twelve more wounded. A total of 60 people from special forces participated. who passed under the legend, as the protection of government buildings, etc. And a battalion of the Airborne Forces was also introduced. With these forces we managed to capture the whole city. "- but that was under the USSR. And under the current system, the throats of four of our employees of the embassy in Iraq were cut in 2006 and no one could do anything. Just talk a lot.
    But in 1985, when 6 employees of our embassy were taken hostage in Lebanon, the USSR was able to release them, although they shot one hostage. And now only cheeks are inflating: when there is no political will, no matter how strong the special services are, they are powerless.
  19. Everest2014
    Everest2014 23 August 2014 10: 36
    +1
    If anyone wants to read about American special forces not knowing victories:
    http://topwar.ru
    /31321-specnaz-ne-znayuschiy-pobed-amerikanskie-delta-fors.html
  20. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 23 August 2014 12: 56
    +1
    It is only in American fighters that Chuck Noris, together with his Delta, "wets" Arab terrorists to the right and to the left, but in reality their special forces are a pathetic bunch of fools with even more stupid bosses! Remember how they fucked up in Somalia, but you can give many examples from open sources (yes, you yourself know all this)! All their deltas and seals are suitable only for unarmed people to muck! I also want to remind you of the competition between our special forces and the United States with NATO, so they have never won.
  21. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 August 2014 12: 59
    -4
    Actually, it’s a violation of professional ethics for a special forces veteran to criticize
    colleagues in such a rude manner.
    Americans though you are technically capable of landing special forces anywhere in the world.
    And they do it, they take risks. And then it happens - it happens, it turns out, it happens - no.
    1. Buran
      Buran 23 August 2014 13: 18
      +3
      That is the one on the discovery, solid veteran specialists talk about brick + head = Russian special forces. As for "landing troops," you don't need a lot of mind when half the world is tilted, but here's how to put two militants in Turkey and leave dry. This is the job.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 23 August 2014 21: 55
        -2
        It is known that only one who does nothing is not mistaken.
        You must be able to land an assault in a distant country: this is not a training ground
        in my country. And the result is sometimes a bullet in Bin Laden's forehead, sometimes -
        their dead, sometimes - only lizards laugh ...
  22. demotivator
    demotivator 23 August 2014 13: 00
    +5
    you try to name the successful operation of the American special forces. A successful operation of at least some significance ...
    So oto! But on the other hand, he is also "extremely arrogant!" One example is the failure of Operation Eagle Claw to free the staff of the US Embassy in Iran. So they here, too, made a brave show out of a failed operation - a movie gondobili. Called "Operation Argo".
    Americans really need a movie about the winners. They lose their gloss, they lose the myth of their invincibility in their own eyes and in the eyes of the peoples of the whole world. The stupidity of the Americans is simply amazing - we all remember that! And the American failure with the Shah of Iran Reza Pahlavi.
    And the failure of the American special forces.
    In the photo - a crashed helicopter of the American special forces and the corpse of one of the pilots.
  23. shinobi
    shinobi 23 August 2014 13: 05
    +3
    I would ask the question differently. Tell me at least one war in which the USA won. About their super-duper services their allies laugh. Sold, were bought and sold again.
    1. 23 region
      23 region 23 August 2014 15: 35
      +2
      Quote: shinobi
      I would ask the question differently. Tell me at least one war in which the USA won. About their super-duper services their allies laugh. Sold, were bought and sold again.

      The American-Mexican War - a military conflict between the United States and Mexico in 1846-1848. The most important consequences of the war were Mexico’s extensive territorial concessions, as a result of which the U.S. was given to Upper California and New Mexico - the lands of the modern states of California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and Utah.
      UNDERSTIMATION OF THE PROBABLY OPPONENT MAY EXIT WITH SIDE.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 23 August 2014 16: 09
        +1
        Let's just say - Mexico was already Mexico then, that is, an extremely weak state.
  24. Lyton
    Lyton 23 August 2014 13: 29
    0
    Yeah, it’s only in halived that the filmmakers take off, there all the heroes are sure to win, such as in Somalia, the O.B.O.S.P.A.L.P.I. I don’t want to, but they tell the citizens that the Papuans won.
  25. andrewkor
    andrewkor 23 August 2014 15: 17
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    I read about Lebanon on the 86th in an "owl secret" interview with a participant in the events, ours soaked one of the kidnappers sent his head to the leader like that and reached a consensus. And our deceased tried to escape himself, but could not.
  26. KBR109
    KBR109 23 August 2014 17: 20
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    Forgive me, boring one, but there is not a word of truth in the last paragraph of the article. I do not know who stormed Kabul there in 1979, but during the assault on the presidential palace Taj-bek, 5 officers of the KGB special forces were killed, 6 people. from the "Muslim" battalion and 9 paratroopers. Plus our military doctor died from the "friendly" fire in the palace. All participants in the battle are wounded.
  27. KBR109
    KBR109 23 August 2014 17: 41
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    Nobody stormed Kabul. "Muslims" came up as their own, the rest went for "shuravi". Difficulties arose near the palace.
  28. Indifferent
    Indifferent 23 August 2014 17: 45
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    It is strange that such an informed person would tell tales about the "white bull". To begin with, bin Laden died himself, long before this operation, from tuberculosis. This is confirmed by many serious sources. In addition, the operation itself was inept. The helicopter landed in the wrong place. I didn't learn how to play it quietly. In general, the level of the first years of the infantry unit.
    Further irritating are the "memories" of the capture of Kabul and Amin's palace by 60 special forces. Be objective! They were covered by two regiments of Soviet Uzbeks and Tajiks dressed in Afghan uniforms. And do not be them, the whole operation ended in great casualties. I could also remember something really successful and successful in terms of the participation of one special unit without two regiments attached for fire support.
  29. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 23 August 2014 18: 31
    +2
    Quote: Giant thought
    In America, good specialists in special forces ended.


    Were they there at all? I only remember failures. Although, this is information from the media.
  30. NORILCHANIN
    NORILCHANIN 23 August 2014 20: 09
    +1
    Quote: B.T.W.
    Believing in their "over exclusiveness", possessing overwhelming conceit, the Americans completely lost their instinct for self-preservation, speaking in Russian: they lost their scent.

    Americans are impudent and stupid, if they are going to fight us, let them know that every bush in Russia will shoot. If they don’t believe the Germans, let them ask if there are still living people who remember.
  31. Camouflet
    Camouflet 23 August 2014 22: 52
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    What, the "SEALs" have fought again? Nice to hear. yes
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 23 August 2014 23: 43
      +1
      Quote: Camouflage
      What, the "SEALs" have fought again? Nice to hear. yes
      In childhood, before going to the taiga, the most respected of us for some reason instructed: if you went out to the bear, throw yourself poop at him, he would not tolerate this and leave. There were a bunch of questions, except for one: where to get poop yes .
      Apparently, they have such instructors.
      1. Buran
        Buran 24 August 2014 01: 52
        +1
        A bunch of questions arose, except for one: where to get poop?

        Well, a meeting with a bear already implies their appearance. lol
  32. Russian_German
    Russian_German 23 August 2014 23: 25
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    Quote: Lelek
    In the USA, good specialists were and are only in Hollywood fantasies.

    Well, yes, in the movies they are invincible. Bruce Willis alone is worth something! That saves the planet in the "Fifth Element" "Armageddon", then he "Die Hard" hell knows how many times. And yet this Rocky is invincible, a whole battalion of Russian special forces was jokingly soaked. Supermen are shitty, but as in reality, against Kostya Ju and Fedor Emelianenko, no one could resist while they were young and strong.
  33. izGOI
    izGOI 24 August 2014 03: 10
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    As they have been taught since childhood, We, they say, America, so at the slightest appearance, raise our hands. Otherwise, we will send an aircraft carrier to your shores. And since childhood, it is impossible to fix the pledged. Therefore, where the enemy is at least a little resisting, the special operation immediately goes not according to plan, or even fails.
  34. captain
    captain 24 August 2014 08: 26
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    If you look closely, all the operations, since the failure of the liberation of the US Embassy in Iran in 1979, have been little successful and not because the Americans are "stupid." All these operations failed due to the poor psychological training of the special forces. There was no motivation for dedication from the personnel, because they had to risk their lives not for their homeland, but for the mythical interests of the United States. Servicemen in the United States, when conducting operations abroad, have one motivation - money and these damned pieces of paper they need only alive.
  35. Swetly
    Swetly 24 August 2014 16: 14
    +1
    Well, if they take intelligence from YouTube and others ...! Batman Foreva!
  36. TOR2
    TOR2 24 August 2014 19: 56
    +1
    A source said that "the military acted very aggressively and very quickly," but that did not help them.

    So this is reality, not Hollywood.
  37. EvgenR36
    EvgenR36 24 August 2014 20: 11
    +2
    Quote: Nagan
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    Recently, it has been good for the Americans to only bribe the leaders of the attacked countries and bring the same countries into the Stone Age. Otherwise, success is noticeably more modest.

    Well, do not tell me, bin Laden was nevertheless urinated. This year, out of 2 operations to capture theter in Africa, 1 ended successfully (in Libya - they took whom they wanted), the other failed (in Somalia - there was no client on the spot), but both without losses, and they crumbled a lot in both Allah Akbar. And this operation, too, was not bad, the Islamists were crushed, but there were no hostages in place. 2 out of 4 successful ones - I think it’s not bad, taking into account the nature of operations and the difficulty of obtaining reliable intelligence.


    Special operations are assessed not by the number of "crumbled" enemies, but by the achieved goal of the operation.