Donetsk boiler, or La commedia è finita

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An analysis of the military situation in Novorossia over the past two weeks and its comparison with similar situations taking shape on the fronts of various wars in the past leads to an interesting picture of the development of the situation in the near future.

From a military point of view, Poroshenko made a mistake by dismissing the military from the command of the ATO and putting at the head of the ruthless militia careerist general, who clearly underestimates the enemy. According to Geletey, he is not at war with a military-competent opponent, but with bandits. Well, and bandits during riot police raids can run, hide, shoot back. But the bandits cannot surround and destroy the militiamen, because this is against the rules, and here Geletey has a block in his brain.

Justifying his appointment, Geletei began to carry out the largest "police raid" in his career. Look at the map of the region of the ATO on 20.08.14. This is not a competent military operation in Kiev, but a plan of "round-up hunting." APU, Nat. the guard, the SBU, the punitive battalions mixed up, trying to cut the forces of Novorossia into parts, cut off the DPR from the LPR, and the LPR from the Russian border and finish off the defenders of Novorossiya together with the civilian population in separate "boilers."

The first fatal mistake of Kiev was the creation of a “puff pie” instead of a single front line, which led to an exorbitant “extension of communications”.

Donetsk boiler, or La commedia è finita


Because “Victory over Novorossia” is simply necessary for 24.08.14’s “Independence Day”, then “great military specialists” Geletei, Avakov, Nalyvaychenko, etc. forced to throw in the area of ​​the ATO all that is. In many military enlistment offices do not even have time to spend honey. certification, and recruits through 3-4 of the day on civil buses go to the ATO zone. Many units in the ATO zone are fighting for more than 3 months. without rotation, long exhausted mentally and lost up to 50% of personnel and equipment.

The second fatal mistake of Kiev is the exhaustion of combat units and the complete absence of highly mobile strong strategic reserves.

Unfortunately or fortunately, the generals never learn from the mistakes of others. Classic examples from the past:

1) 03.07.1919. Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the South of Russia, General Denikin, issued the directive No. 08878 "The attack on Moscow". Already on October 6, Denikin’s troops occupied Voronezh, on October Eagle 13 and threatened Tula. It seemed that the southern front of the Bolsheviks was crumbling. But, exhausted by whites in defensive battles, the Reds struck flank attacks with mounted armies. And it was precisely Denikin’s lack of strategic reserves and the exorbitant stretch of communications led to the collapse of the March 1920 in Novorossiysk.

2) Battle of Stalingrad 1942-1943 A classic example of how, having exhausted Paulus 6's army in defensive battles, the Red Army inflicted flank attacks. Again, it was the Germans’s lack of strong strategic reserves (for the Manstein counterstrike, divisions were deployed from France and engaged in battle ”) and the exorbitant communications stretch led to the collapse of the entire German southeastern front, which ended in March 1943 with the liberation of Kharkov .

Other examples: 1920, the rout of Tukhachevsky on the Vistula, 2008 - the defeat of the Georgian army in South Ossetia, etc.

Those. Ukrainian punitive already themselves climbed into the future "Donetsk boiler". Striking even small highly mobile units of Novorussia (500 — 800 fighters and 40 — 60 armored vehicles, tightly covered with MANPADS) in strategic areas:

a) Slavyansk - Izyum - Chuguev - Kharkov (distance less than 300 km);
b) Krasnoarmeysk - Pavlodar - Dnepropetrovsk (distance less than 250 km);
c) Volnovakha - Mariupol (distance less than 100 km)

will lead not only to the seizure (destruction) of the main supply bases of the ATO, but, more importantly, to the moral collapse of the entire grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. They will simply not be able to stop these raids due to the complete absence of highly mobile strong strategic reserves. Even hasty attempts to stop Novorussia’s connections with strikes of the remaining Su-25 and Mi-24 will not have an effect due to the fear of the pilots entering the MANPADS area. The effect of raising the flags of New Russia (even for several days) over the region. councils of Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and Mariupol will lead to panic in the ranks of the already unstable and frazzled parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the ATO zone.

Naturally, the warriors of Novorossia do not have enough forces and means to create a classic "boiler" with external and internal fronts. But this is not required, the effect of these raids will lead to mass panic in parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and panic in war is a contagious thing and always has an avalanche effect.

Someone may call me a "traitor", issuing plans for New Russia to the enemy.

Firstly, all my analysis is done solely on open data, and any competent military man will see this situation without my hints. Secondly, the APU can not change anything, because for this, they should at least immediately begin the withdrawal of all parts from Novorossia to create a united front along the Mashlykino-Severodonetsk-Slavyansk-Kramatorsk-Krasnoarmeysk-Kurakhovo-Volnovakha-Mikhailovka line. And this is impossible even simply because of the lack of troops on such a front. Not to mention that this is a recognition of the defeat in the ATO, and this is when Kiev considers the days to complete victory. Therefore, the Kiev junta will continue to throw all forces on the assault of Donetsk and Lugansk, like Denikin in 1919 on Moscow, and Hitler in 1942 on Stalingrad.

I think that all of us will soon witness the collapse of the ATO.
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  1. +41
    22 August 2014 08: 57
    Hitler also planned a parade in Moscow soldier
    1. +89
      22 August 2014 09: 02
      Quote: nimboris
      Hitler also planned a parade in Moscow

      The parade in Donetsk, with columns of Ukrainian prisoners, led by Avakov and Goethele, was not a bad thing either.
      1. +97
        22 August 2014 09: 14
        Quote: volot-voin
        Quote: nimboris
        Hitler also planned a parade in Moscow

        The parade in Donetsk, with columns of Ukrainian prisoners, led by Avakov and Goethele, was not a bad thing either.

        Isn’t it too early to rejoice?! Kiev has more forces, the same equipment. Replenish, replenish, and the old stuff, but the current one will drive. Some of the forces will be withdrawn and concentrated somewhere in one place. The militia is not all smooth. Coordination is not, common Leadership is the same. And you are all cheers, three steps to victory (no matter what step a year). Think, and not fool.
        1. +35
          22 August 2014 09: 59
          Predator
          I absolutely agree with you. There is still no reason for rejoicing, as well as real, effective assistance to Russia, without which it is impossible to stop the bloodshed. LPR and DPR remain unrecognized, illegitimate Republics, with irregular militias. Right or wrong, Russia acts in this situation, maybe rightly, not having the former power of the Russian Empire and the USSR after the reforms. It is good that the militias manage to restrain the horde.
          It is believed that certain circles are interested in maximizing the slaughter.
          Dying, do not twist, mostly Slavs.
          1. +165
            22 August 2014 10: 18
            82-year-old grandfather shot from the shotgun of the centurion Maidan
            According to the Ukrainian media, "20 sickles at the battle for vizvolennya Luhansk zaginu the centurion of the 8th" Afghan "hundreds of Self-Defense Maidan Kian Oleg Mikhnyuk."
            For his Afghan and Komsomol past, "Mikhnyuk brawled on the Maidan with great authority." The media also reports that the funeral is expected to take place in Kiev on August 22 at Baykovsky or the military Lukyanovsky cemetery. Farewell will take place on the Maidan, where Oleg Mikhnyuk stayed from the first day of the revolution this Heroy.
            However, the Ukrainian media, naturally, do not disclose the circumstances of his shameful death. And the matter was like this: together with two of his subordinates from the 8th "Afghan" hundred, now part of the Aydar battalion, Mikhnyuk, having drunk on the Korilka, decided to use the local girls in the best traditions of the invaders. Chasing a minor resident of a local village for a long time, they drove her into a barn and tried to rape her. At that moment, her 82-year-old great-grandfather jumped out of the hut with a double-barreled gun and covered two rapists on the spot. While the grandfather was reloading the gun, the third bandit managed to escape.

            Calling on helpers from Aydar, he returned to the place of death of his commander to avenge the girl’s family, but she and her relatives managed to escape. Furious, the punishers burned the hut and outbuildings. So Ukrainian nationalists "allow Lugansk."
            1. +58
              22 August 2014 12: 22
              Correctly done, correct grandfather!
              1. +6
                24 August 2014 10: 53
                how do we glue on cars? ...: "THANKS TO GREAT FOR VICTORY !!!" this is about HIM hike wink
            2. +19
              22 August 2014 12: 32
              Quote: Scandinavian
              Mikhniuk, after cloaking Vorilka, decided to use the local divines in the best traditions of the invaders.

              ---------------------
              And the soldiers of the dill battalions are heroes only shoot sperm at girls ...
            3. +41
              22 August 2014 12: 55
              I did everything right! Grandfather respect! Death to the fascist invaders! soldier
            4. mkpu 73-77
              +14
              22 August 2014 18: 09
              I heard that the "piglet" is going to mobilize the retired (completely fool ).So let him call such grandfathers - they will quickly deal with the Maidanut! angry
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            6. +11
              22 August 2014 22: 10
              So to them these hades !!! What kind of Afghan is he - a pig !!! Pig and the death of a pig in a barn !!!
            7. +7
              23 August 2014 00: 42
              It’s a pity that Grandfather had a double-barreled shotgun, and not a machine gun, a good weeding would have turned out. There is life in the old dog yet! Grandfathers of all countries unite!
            8. Rusty shark
              -21
              23 August 2014 04: 29
              and then they caught the children and crucified everyone.
              1. +3
                23 August 2014 23: 59
                Quote: RUSTY SHARK
                and then they caught the children and crucified everyone.

                Minus, no comment.
              2. +1
                24 August 2014 14: 20
                Quote: RUSTY SHARK
                and then they caught the children and crucified everyone.

                Why are you stunned?
            9. +3
              23 August 2014 20: 34
              grandfather DP during the war-half-battalion would be mowed down!
            10. +3
              24 August 2014 14: 17
              Thank you great-grandfather for the victory!
            11. snz
              snz
              +2
              24 August 2014 17: 29
              such grandfathers want to kiss their feet. Mighty grandfather, great man. It was not for nothing that the Lord measured out his grandfather for such a long century - and in venerable years he saved his family from the attacks of the Nazis. Truly we bow before the real Christian feat of the grandfather!
          2. +8
            22 August 2014 10: 20
            Ukrov horde, and US RAT !!!
            New Russia to be. I said!
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              1. +8
                22 August 2014 13: 52
                Oh, they still have to allocate a company of protection. Of silent and polite people ...
                1. +13
                  22 August 2014 14: 04
                  Silent, polite, angry, hungry, local.
                2. +2
                  22 August 2014 14: 48
                  Quote: VKill
                  Oh, they still have to allocate a company of protection. Of silent and polite people ...

                  They can cover from the air.
          3. +21
            22 August 2014 11: 05
            You didn't quite see the picture. On August 26, the first round of negotiations to end the War starts in Minsk. Just a few days before the militia began a counter offensive. APU. now already so strongly suppressed and bloodless, they are no longer able to conduct defensive battles. Pravoseki shitty warriors. In addition to the frenzied "Glory to Ukraine", you also need the ability to fight. Considering that the armored group of militias is clearly almost equal to the APU. Again, the Armed Forces need to protect the front, and the militias concentrate their forces in a narrow area.
            The essence of this principle of empty counterattack:
            1) Drive away dill from Donetsk and Lugansk.
            2) Finish the fighting spirit of the military personnel.
            3) Insert the awl into Poraschenko’s chair at the talks in Minsk. Understanding that the militias look that they will go to Kiev, he will be more accommodating. And sa pray for peace and recognition of both republics.
            1. +6
              22 August 2014 20: 11
              It is unlikely that the militias have the strength and means to attack Kiev. The most is to plant groups near Lugansk and Donetsk in the ass.
            2. +9
              22 August 2014 21: 36
              May they not go to Kiev. For such a campaign, it is necessary to gather exactly the people's and let me be showered, "all-Ukrainian" front. If we are talking about the LPR and the DPR, it will be enough to establish control within their borders. Now we need to think about restoring the destroyed, soon winter. And then we'll figure it out with the junta as a thread, if it doesn't die.
              1. +4
                22 August 2014 21: 57
                EvgenSuslov
                Do not go? Why would such confidence?
                The resistance that acts in an arc from Kharkov to Nikolaev will look at what the Natsiks are doing, and Novorossia, as part of the DPR and LPR, will wash their hands?
                Russia, the fragments of the Ruins, in which the bloody porridge of nationalist sentiments, generously fueled by US help, will ripen, is needed?
                Thinking about restoring the destroyed ... of course, it’s only a question, will RUIN led by criminals give such an opportunity?
                And consequently, RUINA in the state that remains while in Kiev in power war criminals of either Novorossiya, and even less so RUSSIA, is not needed.
              2. +3
                24 August 2014 10: 50
                New Russia needs a regular army and the main government agencies ... self-determined - build a state! Yes, at least under the carbon copy of the Country of Soviets - the Army and Statehood with all the attributes ... and this yesterday had to be done ..!
          4. WKS
            +9
            22 August 2014 12: 18
            Someone may call me a "traitor", issuing plans for New Russia to the enemy.

            Firstly, all my analysis is done exclusively on open data, and any competent military officer will see this situation without my hints.

            But you yourself wrote at the beginning that the leadership of the ATO is militarily illiterate. Why would they give a lecture by the General Staff Academy here?
          5. -11
            22 August 2014 13: 55
            Yes, that all went wrong that there is no help from Russia. People and there GRUshniki are at war from the very beginning, and TsSNschiki, what do you think the miners shoot down planes !? And we are preparing volunteers at our training grounds, I know exactly about two training grounds, I even know people who cook. Do you need a statement at a UN meeting about this?
            1. +3
              23 August 2014 14: 29
              Do not tryndi! am Lots of text.
              1. -2
                23 August 2014 15: 23
                I haven’t discovered any particular secret, and they already know about it
                1. +8
                  24 August 2014 02: 17
                  keep quiet!
              2. 0
                25 August 2014 06: 22
                And innocent lambs do not need to be built out of themselves either.
            2. +2
              24 August 2014 11: 01
              and with what intent do you declare your awareness ..? because of congenital immodesty or want to earn ..? - as versions ...
              1. +1
                24 August 2014 11: 27
                Whining tired, about the lack of help. Tired!
            3. snz
              snz
              +1
              24 August 2014 17: 31
              They told you clearly that the Russian military is not there.
          6. +9
            22 August 2014 15: 37
            There is still no reason for rejoicing, as well as real, effective assistance to Russia, without which it is impossible to stop the bloodshed.


            How much can you pull Russia into this ass. Wise guys bl ... b!
            They themselves created their shit, even let them disentangle themselves!
            Russia will not be on the sidelines! But only for the security of their sovereignty and their people.
            1. +2
              22 August 2014 19: 16
              That's right, friend. Moreover, people who visited there say that there is a lot of betrayal from the locals. Money, apparently, all share.
          7. +11
            22 August 2014 16: 19
            Quote: nils
            Dying, do not twist, mostly Slavs.

            Some Slavs, in particular banderlogs, maydauns, various centurions, cattlemen, much worse than a basurman, etc., are unwanted no good of Russia.
            Quote: nils
            no, like real, effective help from Russia

            Indicate what specific help would you like?
            Declare war on Ukraine or just bombed ukrosoldatikov in the Donbass? And also Kiev with Lviv?
            Soak Brussels and Warsaw with Vilnius with nuclear weapons, so as not to quack?
            Or how to?
            Does the Russian Federation have a gigantic economy of at least 6-7 percent of the world economy and numerous professional armed forces?
            Is it really not clear that without help from the Russian Federation it is not possible to hold out to any militia against, albeit shitty, but the army and special services of a large, though rotten, state. Yes
          8. vostok2014
            +8
            22 August 2014 20: 55
            Quote: nils
            Dying, do not twist, mostly Slavs.

            And people of Caucasian nationality, defending Slavic values.
          9. +2
            23 August 2014 01: 05
            health
            Dying, do not twist, mostly Slavs.

            you know ... how would I say that? .... NO SLAVAN! not in the sense of the Slavs themselves, someone else can be called that. there is no Slavic unity! this reason was also one of the reasons why this war was needed in Ukraine. there is no single Muslim eeee religion-nationality. but it was. there is no single peasantry, there is no single Europe, there is no single nation, there is no single SLOVENIA. probably not necessary. here it is not strange that the Jews keep in some kind of unity.
            so what i wanted to say? you can let the Slavs die, let them die if they themselves decided to be Europeans and not Slovenes .... this is my silly thought ...
          10. +4
            23 August 2014 01: 55
            Quote: nils
            There is still no reason for rejoicing, as well as real, effective assistance to Russia, without which it is impossible to stop the bloodshed.


            If Russia had not been hanging over all this, the West would have long ago caught up with its military and crushed Novorossia back in June. And so they grumble, but until Donetsk NATO planes do not bomb. So we are not so useless ...
          11. +2
            23 August 2014 02: 05
            fratricidal war ...
        2. +11
          22 August 2014 10: 03
          There are more vehicles, mobile reserves too, but not the same fighting spirit, plus there is no rotation and the possibility of reinforcements, there is no possibility of redeployment ... Even in the case of a suspension of fire during the passage of the humanitarian convoy, Ukrainian generals will not be able to strengthen existing groups. About the coordination of the militia’s actions, I completely disagree, but the main thing is that people defend their land and they have a Russian spirit, while the enemy, in the anti-terrorist operation zone, wonders why we came and who we are fighting with? In general, of course it's too early to rejoice, but the reports and actions are encouraging .... Yes
        3. +42
          22 August 2014 10: 09
          First of all, thanks for the article with the map from "Parallel Ukroviverse";)))
          Secondly, I’ll supplement the article a bit-
          Quote: Predator
          Those. Ukrainian punitive already themselves climbed into the future "Donetsk boiler". Striking even small highly mobile units of Novorussia (500 — 800 fighters and 40 — 60 armored vehicles, tightly covered with MANPADS) in strategic areas:

          As the ISIS offensive in Iraq shows, this tactic is absolutely correct and brings tangible results, in particular, the panic in the enemy camp reaches colossal proportions! Strelkov spoke about the same tactics in his article "The time has come for large battalions."
          Thirdly, the author absolutely (in my opinion) correctly calculates the possibility of march-throws:
          Quote: Predator
          a) Slavyansk - Izyum - Chuguev - Kharkov (distance less than 300 km); b) Krasnoarmeysk - Pavlodar - Dnepropetrovsk (distance less than 250 km); c) Volnovakha - Mariupol (distance less than 100 km)

          In the first case, the "Umbilical cord for the supply of armored vehicles" is cut to the junta and the militia is quite solidly replenished with Kharkov volunteers.
          In the second case, there is an opportunity to pay off with the main sponsor of the "Leaky Battalions" and the executioner of Odessa - Kallo-Moisky, which will significantly undermine the material component of the Nazis ...
          In the third case, Novorossia gets access to the sea and gradually the Ukrainian Navy in the Sea of ​​Azov simply ceases to exist ... + The humanitarian aid by sea can be delivered. + The threat of the environment of the junta group on the Crimean isthmus hangs ...
          This is just my point of view, as the author said.
          Quote: Predator
          My analysis is made exclusively on open data, and any competent military will see this situation without my prompts.

          therefore, I ask you not to consider me a traitor (I just tried to supplement this good article) wink
          P.S. I would like the Novorossiya militias to install systems similar to the one in the photo on their "Battle carts" (I found it on the Internet, the picture is clickable). About "Dzhigits" and ATGMs, which should be in large battalions (in offensive breakthroughs) in large numbers, I generally keep quiet.
          Strength and good luck to you soldiers of New Russia!

          With faith in your business and respect for you all personally.
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          2. +8
            22 August 2014 12: 21
            Thirdly, the author absolutely (in my opinion) correctly calculates the possibility of march-throws:


            Opportunities march miscalculated. But the possibilities of cleaning such boilers are not calculated at all. As indicated in the comment above, you do not need to bite off large pieces, you can choke.

            As the ISIS offensive in Iraq shows, such tactics are absolutely correct and bear tangible results, in particular, panic in the enemy camp reaches colossal proportions!


            As the experience of the "Izvarinsky" boiler shows, dill does not panic. They just sit quietly, like mice under a broom, and wait to be shot. And then they leave for Russia, from where they are again transported for a new "Drang to Osten".
          3. +5
            22 August 2014 13: 06
            ... I would like the Novorossiya militias to install systems similar to the one in the photo on their "Combat cars"

            Unfortunately, it all depends not only on desire, but also on available opportunities.
            And the harvester from UTYOS and AGS-17 is interesting, especially in a set with a light high-speed all-terrain vehicle, like the UAZ-469 or with a "cutlet" from a "shishiga"
          4. +11
            23 August 2014 09: 31
            Quote: ispaniard
            (in my opinion) the possibilities of march-throws are correctly calculated:

            A march is a military term for accelerated movement troops with weapons and usually on foot (see NFP 10-km march)
            A march to Kharkov, this is the same absurdity used by illiterate journalists as an advancing convoy. For the column is not at all a battle, but a marching order of troops.
            The article does not indicate the calculation of the march, but only the distance to these cities.
            On the way to them, defensive lines can be created, counterattacks undertaken, i.e. it’s necessary not to make march-throws, but to conduct an offensive with all the consequences ...
            And how many volunteers will there be? The inhabitants of these regions have not yet sipped the hardships and hardships from the Warchief Vladyka "povnoy".
            Therefore, it is not necessary to arrange a remake of the attack on Warsaw in 1920, but rather limit itself to the maximum possible destruction (captivity) of the ugrogroup and access to the borders of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
            The fall of the Banderstad should be carried out by Generals Frost, Default, Disappointment, and Field Marshal Eat Nothing. Yes
            With the assistance of interested parties, of course. wink
        4. +28
          22 August 2014 10: 15
          I agree to all 100%. in my opinion, for the time being, victorious reports are inappropriate. forces are too unequal. By l / s, the militia is 3 times inferior, in artillery 6-7 times, the same in armored vehicles. Add to this the supply of shells, cartridges, etc. Although Dill is now an under-state, they have much more opportunities in this regard. Plus aviation. Let the Militia and knock them down, but in the open field to succumb to any for them is deadly.
          So God grant strength, courage and luck to the Militias, but the victorious relay is not yet in place
        5. +15
          22 August 2014 10: 31
          Indeed, behind the junta there is a bad, but state machine, while behind the militia there is so far only enthusiasm and some kind of sprouts of statehood! Without the formation of an administrative apparatus, backed by economic support and without assistance from outside, it is extremely difficult to count on full-blooded success!
          As for support, especially from Russia!
          I often turn to history, like the author of this article, and I want to draw attention to one historical indecision of politicians who saved perhaps tens of thousands of human lives at that moment, but which subsequently led to World War II and tens of millions of deaths!
          1936, Hitler’s absolute adventure, with only an army getting up off its knees, according to the remilitarization of the Rhine region! The Nazis entered the Rhine region, spit on the Versailles Accords, but if France, and I wouldn’t even say anything about England, would answer with my Armed Forces, then the French would not even notice these German battalions, but would like to be in Berlin in a week! And there would be no Nazism, no Hitler. History, unfortunately, does not know subjunctive moods!
          If you wish, you can draw parallels between the introduction of junta troops into the territory of New Russia and Russia's indecision with the distant events of 1936! Is our indecision justified? The answer to this question will be given only by history, but I would not be so categorical in opinion that we do not need to send troops!
        6. +17
          22 August 2014 11: 43
          I think it's not early. Dill will still be crushed and you can rejoice at this. But I would not share the author's optimism that it will be "soon". There are two main reasons for this.
          1. The author underestimates the scale of the "boilers". I must confess that after Strelkov's breakthrough from Sloviansk, I thought that the militia's blow would be delivered by entering the right shoulder across Volnovakha to Mariupol. But, thank God that this did not happen and that the militias limited themselves to Marinovka. And so they pressed this cauldron for too long. And if they hit Mariupol, then the size of the cauldron dill could well supply their troops with aviation. And in principle it would not have been possible to finish off the boiler. Therefore, even now it makes no sense to talk about such vast cauldrons, since in this case the militias will stretch their forces around the encircled groups and the dill will be able to strike at them, having superiority in forces. Which can lead to the destruction of the blocking parts.
          2. As I already indicated in one of the comments, what the dill are doing now and what the author thinks of a "cop roundup" is a strategy of dragging out the war. Dill are exchanging their combat-ready units for a delay in time. They prevent the militia from forming shock groups by striking in different places and forcing them to tear apart their shock groups in different directions. As a result, the troops of the junta fall into many local cauldrons, which. given that the militia now have a sufficient amount of artillery, they are quickly destroyed. But the militia is wasting time destroying these cauldrons. How dill is used this time is not yet clear. But this situation is not at all due to inability to fight. The operation there is not planned by Avaks or Galateas. The planning of the operation is carried out by American advisers in the SBU. And onir, they eat their bread for a reason.
          1. +6
            22 August 2014 12: 17
            Quote: alicante11
            Amer advisers in the SBU are planning the operation. But they onir eat their bread for good reason
            . Not a specialist in the matter, so do not judge strictly. Since the Spanish War, they planned operations and not without reason ate their bread. But the budget withstood, as a result, the US has always been the victor. Gradually, even the allies drew attention to the fact that multiple superiority was attracted for any operation, especially battleships with 18-inch guns (I don’t remember exactly, but not 12 or even 16 in my opinion), airplanes (well, much more than the B-52), and personnel without toilet paper do not attack. With Japan, it turned out in 1945 - well, they are the same, only one Yamato is worth it. But with Korea it’s not so much. In Vietnam, it did not work out. Already the budget and the electorate could not stand it. All other feats in the field of overthrowing legitimate governments and defeating countries that do not have well-established statehood, ripened for destruction. This is the yuga and the Libyans. But with Syria, Egypt does not work. I can’t say anything clever about Iraq, I’d better listen. Ukraine, on the other hand, is so different from all of the above that the planning of US advisers can only maximize losses among the civilian population and bring closer the collapse of their proteges. IMHO, of course.
            1. +10
              22 August 2014 12: 35
              I agree that the Americans are fighting in numbers. Here you are absolutely right. But you forget the little detail. They are not fighting their own people here. And they do not care how many Ukrainians die. So with regard to planning, they are freer here than at home.
              1. +1
                22 August 2014 12: 45
                Quote: alicante11
                I agree that Americans fight by number
                I did not say that. The number of battleships - when 2 battleships hit the island with the main caliber for several days, preparing for the landing of the Marine Corps - these are the Yankees. And the figures of their losses are also known to everyone - World War II - half of the Piskarevsky cemetery. I talked about attracted resources, especially those that the enemy does not have - toilet paper, for example.
                1. 0
                  22 August 2014 17: 50
                  I did not say that.


                  I talked about attracted resources,


                  Well, I had that in mind :). You can talk about battleships against an unprotected coast, you can talk about F-16s with EW aircraft against the old air defense, defenseless against EW, you can number the armies of southerners and northerners put up.
          2. +4
            22 August 2014 12: 34
            alicante11 (4) SU Today, 11:43 ↑
            "The operation there is not planned by Avaks or Galateas. The planning of the operation is carried out by American advisers in the SBU. And onir is not eating their bread in vain."
            ... as you see ... the error of these strategists with their goal-the seizure of territories, regardless of whether there are militias or they are not there, followed by a clean-up .. The drill sticks forward without encountering sometimes resistance .. and they end up in a ring .. ...
            1. +2
              22 August 2014 12: 46
              Quote: 222222
              A rod in forward without meeting sometimes resistance .. and find themselves in a ring .. gut ...

              Grant's tried and true Anaconda strategy?
            2. +2
              22 August 2014 17: 54
              ... as you see ... the error of these strategists with their goal-the seizure of territories, regardless of whether there are militias or they are not there, followed by a clean-up .. The drill sticks forward without encountering sometimes resistance .. and they end up in a ring .. ...


              No, they change strategies. First it was a sweep of cities, which Strelkov answered in Slavyansk, then coverage of the territory of Novorossia along the border, to which the militia responded with an Izvarinsky boiler, then there is a stupid destruction of settlements along with civilians and trolling of the militias with breakouts of armored groups. But, as you can see, each elephant has its own mouse. I hope that this will continue.
            3. +2
              22 August 2014 22: 14
              Quote: 222222
              as you see .. the error of these strategists their goal is the seizure of territories


              Their goal, to draw Russia into the war, and thereby finally begin to write off debts, failed.

              There are also "smaller" goals, such as joining (sooner or later) the NATO bloc.

              There is one thing for the State Department "but"- their stake was placed on all anti-Russian forces - including the Banderaism. By definition, it is impossible to build a democratic state with the latter (Banderaism) - at best, a temporary dictatorship.
              Here lies the weak link of all this geopolitical "something" in Ukraine.

              Time works against the junta, the State Department knows this, and therefore makes mistakes (or rather, the State Department is forced (according to the situation with Ukraine) to act with an eye on time, and not on sense.
              Indirectly, this can be seen in the German media (Germany has its own game). Materials are expressed more neutrally, as if Germany reserves the opportunity to exit through the back door.
          3. 0
            23 August 2014 07: 51
            I agree with you, alicante11. But the ability to use the reserve "time" comes with experience and conditions of reality. And the dill did not have time to use its advantages. Given the intensification of partisans in the Kharkov and Odessa regions, they will not have the opportunity to maneuver large units. A cold autumn will arrange a hot life in Kiev. And the Americans and the SBU officers also miscalculate - they do not take into account the growth of patriotism not only in the southeast, but almost everywhere in Ukraine. Making forecasts is a thankless task.
        7. +2
          22 August 2014 17: 02
          I agree. There is no single command, the forces are scattered, it is difficult to coordinate actions. Management of the militia is "manual", orders are not given, and the commanders agree. You can't do that in the army. Therefore, the next "bowlers" of course, will be, but global tasks without the unification of all forces under a single command cannot be solved. Most likely, Russia is expecting the same. I do not believe that the situation is not reported there every day by the GDP, and not like us. There is more information and deeper analysis.
        8. +2
          23 August 2014 02: 03
          correct koment. Chickens in the fall believe. Today is 22.08/XNUMX. your convoy with humanitarian aid went to Lugansk, we have howling. Poroshenok offered consultations between the General Staffs, the Russian Federation refused, I think in vain, you could drink, and the Russian Federation + and maybe something resolved .. . Then he listened to Nemtsov on the radio — my opinion was a rare Gov ... but.
      2. +4
        22 August 2014 09: 16
        Quote: volot-voin
        The parade in Donetsk, with columns of Ukrainian prisoners, led by Avakov and Goethele, was not a bad thing either.

        In no case! Geletey wanted a parade in Sevastopol, and send it there, and then to Rostov, where there is just a military court of the South-Eastern Military District.
        1. +10
          22 August 2014 10: 10
          I think that all of us will soon witness the collapse of the ATO.

        2. +3
          22 August 2014 10: 23
          Quote: inkass_98
          Quote: volot-voin
          The parade in Donetsk, with columns of Ukrainian prisoners, led by Avakov and Goethele, was not a bad thing either.

          In no case! Geletey wanted a parade in Sevastopol, and send it there, and then to Rostov, where there is just a military court of the South-Eastern Military District.

          What tells me that he will not get anywhere from the hero city of Sevastopol ...
        3. +1
          22 August 2014 12: 02
          Quote: inkass_98
          then to Rostov
          by stage (on foot), if you climb onto the shore - push back.
      3. +11
        22 August 2014 10: 02
        The author has so famously planned counterattacks-raids for 200-300 km, that you wonder. Does the Southeast Army have reserves and logistical support for such deep raids? The depth of operations of 300 km was a non-trivial task even for regular troops of the Red Army in the Great Patriotic War.

        The fact that the war is not won by defense is understandable. But to plan operations for 300 km in the real world is no longer serious.
        1. +5
          22 August 2014 10: 27
          Quote: Bakht
          The fact that the war is not won by defense is understandable. But to plan operations for 300 km in the real world is no longer serious.

          NOT yet serious.
        2. +4
          22 August 2014 10: 52
          Bakht. I agree. Repeating mistakes, especially those that lead to defeat, is the height of frivolity. You can recall the dialogue between Zhukov and Pavlov in the film, when Zhukov defeated Pavlov’s army at the headquarters exercises before the war, and then the latter made the same mistake in 41. Paying the lives of fighters for raising the flag for several days in the hope that when they see the enemy in a panic will drop their weapons and run, there is frivolity in the square. Only systematically, meter by meter, squeeze out ukrov to the borders of Donetsk and Lugansk regions and at these borders create something similar to the Mannerheim line. Moving further, where there is no support from the local population, is to consciously substitute the back for a blow.
          1. xan
            0
            22 August 2014 17: 32
            Quote: African
            You can recall the dialogue between Zhukov and Pavlov in the film

            I remember the cinematic words of Zhukov: "You have no right to be afraid, comrade general!" It is not respectable for a general who sends thousands of soldiers to die to be afraid of something.
        3. +3
          22 August 2014 12: 40
          Quote: Bakht
          But to plan operations for 300 km in the real world is not serious

          Was it 300 km to Budennovsk, Beslan? Without touching the moral side - have they completed their task? Why compare operations on the Soviet-German front in World War II with what is happening in Ukraine. Remember Maria’s war with the Germans - as a result, I killed 100 thousand Germans at the Aquas of the Sextievs (I write as a keepsake, there is a high probability of error). In life (and even more so in war), it happens on it, and it happens on me - it happens. It is quite possible to take, IMHO.
        4. +4
          22 August 2014 13: 42
          Kutuzov won the war by defense. But it is not correct to compare ... Although if, as an example, we recall the landings on Vidlitsa in 1919 and 1944, everything happened there as a blueprint, even the time and dates almost coincided, the history of the "bourgeois" did not teach anything. Tactics need to be learned and experience properly applied.
      4. Cadet787
        +4
        22 August 2014 10: 15
        A strange article, without a signature, in the table above, the author calls the militia militants separatists, his advice is doubtful, examples are torn from a specific situation and falsified, the beginning of the article is correct, and then, ukrofashists give advice to militia soldiers on their further actions, more what is strange.
      5. Cadet787
        +9
        22 August 2014 12: 21
        Revival of the Tsarist army
        27.07.2014 - 10: 46
        The militia commander Igor Strelkov signed an order to introduce military ranks and insignia in the Armed Forces of the Donetsk Republic.
        According to the resource "Russian News", these ranks will be identical with the ranks and ranks of the army of the Russian Empire. So from day to day, lieutenants and second lieutenants will appear among the militias.
        By the centenary of the outbreak of the First World War, the Russian army is reviving in Novorossiya, Pavel Gubarev said in an interview. The traditions of the pre-revolutionary army will also be restored. Already all the connections go into battle under the banners consecrated in the Church and with the words: "With God"!
        1. mkpu 73-77
          +4
          22 August 2014 19: 03
          If the ranks and ranks are definitely entered, then it will be real army.And that the ranks will be modeled after the imperial army is a landmark decision. You can only welcome! hi good soldier
      6. Cadet787
        +4
        22 August 2014 12: 40
        22.08.2014 - 12: 11
        Battalion "Kalmius" at Saur-Grave: liberated villages, captured prisoners and equipment. Russian spring

        While the ATO press center cheerfully reports on the destruction of 5 Gradov and 11 BMP militias near Snezhnoye, the militia itself is showing trophies and prisoners captured in this battle. One of them, turning to Poroshenko, says to the camera: “God willing, we will survive, we will come to you, wait.”
        Recall, on August 21, the Kalmius DNR army battalion occupied the villages of Petrovskoye and Manuilovka in the Snezhnoye area,
        The goal is the operational environment of the height of Saur-Mogila and the subsequent cleansing of the area from the invaders.
      7. 0
        22 August 2014 17: 35
        they wanted to hold a victory parade in Crimea .. they’ll pass, but as prisoners of war ... and from the parade straight to construction sites - to restore the city!
      8. 0
        23 August 2014 19: 52
        Quote: volot-voin
        Quote: nimboris
        Hitler also planned a parade in Moscow

        The parade in Donetsk, with columns of Ukrainian prisoners, led by Avakov and Goethele, was not a bad thing either.

        If we provide assistance to New Russia, then this is quite possible. Now the main thing is not to merge like Pristina in due time.
      9. 0
        24 August 2014 10: 55
        Quote: volot-voin
        Quote: nimboris
        Hitler also planned a parade in Moscow

        The parade in Donetsk, with columns of Ukrainian prisoners, led by Avakov and Goethele, was not a bad thing either.


        these rats will not fit New Russia and a cannon shot ...
    2. +4
      22 August 2014 09: 05
      It is necessary to arrange for the Ukrainian fascists a large Stalingrad.
      1. +1
        22 August 2014 12: 49
        Quote: Giant thought
        It is necessary to arrange for the Ukrainian fascists a large Stalingrad.

        This is a gigantic thought !!!!
    3. MSA
      MSA
      +5
      22 August 2014 09: 10
      I would like to witness the bending of the junta from Kiev.
    4. +17
      22 August 2014 09: 22
      The author of the article conducted a competent assessment of events.

      One misfortune: the militia of New Russia also does not have reserves for counterattack. In my opinion, and to my deepest regret.

      For every militia, probably 5-10 ukrov piled on ...

      What to do is to continue to grind the army of fascists-Bandera further.

      To not give up!
      1. +9
        22 August 2014 09: 42
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        One misfortune: the militia of New Russia also does not have reserves for counterattack. In my opinion, and to my deepest regret.

        For every militia, probably 5-10 ukrov piled on ...

        I agree with the first statement: the militia does not have reserves. But really, 9–13 thousand militias account for 45–50 thousand military units of the Ukrainian army. The balance of power is much better than two months ago. Therefore, the allocation of a battalion of fighters 400-500, mobile, with adequate weapons, for a throw to Slavyansk or Mariupol is possible. The consequences of this are simply unpredictable.
        1. +8
          22 August 2014 10: 02
          Tongue grind - do not carry bags. The militia has a reserve - the whole of Novorossiya. And with the right mobilization they will rise. There is a sense of the Motherland. What "is, will be" New Russia? Again the same oligarchs, bribes, lawlessness, embezzlement, poverty of the people? Or a real HOMELAND? For which New Russia to fight? This is the main thing. It is undefined.
          1. +4
            22 August 2014 10: 20
            Azovec.
            What New Russia to fight for? This is the main thing. It is not defined.

            This is the main deterrent to the final and sharp victory of the militia. Was this why Strelkov "disappeared" what . To develop or re-read our development is not enough for a month. The program of New Russia is a core and support for years. hi
          2. +3
            22 August 2014 12: 05
            More than half of the reserve is sitting in Russia and waiting for no one knows why ....
            They think without them everything will resolve ...
            to rake the heat with other hands? nobody wants
        2. +3
          22 August 2014 10: 32
          I can’t wait to see and listen to the inhabitants of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk when the militias come back. I know that they’re in the mood for it, they’re the majority there, they even have excuses - we’re tired of the war, we don’t need militias in the city.
          it’s easy to verify these moods by talking to some residents on the internet. Previously, they were for the militias (the majority), now they are, as it were, against the militias.
          1. 0
            22 August 2014 12: 16
            And they can be understood. With the arrival of the militias, the bombing will begin again. Civilians do not need this. The militia needs to consider how to position itself so as not to endanger the civilian population.
          2. berkut-91
            +1
            22 August 2014 19: 14
            Well, you magnified the KNI (Kirsan Nikolayevich Ilyumzhinov) of this modern Ostap Bender. In 17 years he destroyed the republic, developed the highest degree of corruption, destroyed industry, agriculture, health care. The same system that later manifested itself in Ukraine. He tried to declare the sovereignty of Kalmykia at the same time on 80% of the republic receives subsidies from the state. Our Russians live worse even in Ukraine. It is difficult to find a job. And now there are more and more refugees every day. In addition, "Moon's teachings" were necessarily studied in the schools of the republic - and this is the path to terrorism.
      2. +4
        22 August 2014 22: 22
        I am not a specialist in strategy and tactics (engineer). But I want to express some thoughts. No wonder, apparently, the god of war was called artillery. It doesn’t matter, towed, self-propelled, MLRS, even large-caliber mortars. Indeed, almost all the successes of the siloviki are explained by the huge superiority in artillery, or rather, by the almost complete absence of the latter among the militia.
        Considering the enemy a complete idiot is the shortest path to defeat. Hoping that at a critical moment the siloviki would not have a smart enough commander who could take advantage of their own would be the height of stupidity and idiocy. Moreover, as we see, nevertheless ukrov artillerymen are gaining a little experience.
        The fight against artillery can be fought either by artillery (counter-battery fire), or by aviation, which is not and probably will not be. To seriously consider the work of sabotage groups against the enemy’s batteries, there’s just not enough saboteurs (saboteur-piece goods) .And it turns out to get artillery systems from the enemy, and it turns out well It remains that you need to strengthen your own forces by all means and weaken the enemy’s artillery by all means.
        They say: "God is on the side of the big battalions," I must add, large and well-armed.
        Considerations far from a professional, but could not remain silent.
    5. +8
      22 August 2014 09: 24
      Geleta "promised" a victory parade in Sevastopol, and here and in Kiev there will probably be nothing to show. Or will cops march?
      1. +1
        22 August 2014 12: 56
        Quote: xenod55
        Or will the cops march?

        In the last century, fortunate enough to visit Elista during the feast of all Kalmyks - the arrival of Ilyumzhinov. There was a quorum. (He noted the straight and very beautiful legs of young Kalmyks). There was an opposition statement. The protesting oppositionist was quickly democratically stuffed and dragged. And then there was a parade. The troops were commanded by someone with a special rank no higher than a colonel. And they marched - well, not the PKK, of course, but for the end of the 20th century - very well.
    6. +5
      22 August 2014 10: 21
      The mention of Denikin is not entirely correct. Denikin was dependent on the Entente "allies" because he did not have his own material base (weapons and ammunition). Initially, he planned to strike towards the Urals towards Kolchak. This would allow him to seize the weapons depots located there. But the defeat of the Bolsheviks was not part of the plans of the British, so the direction of the obviously failed strike was dictated to Denikin by the sponsors.
      1. +1
        22 August 2014 14: 39
        Mahmut
        The mention of Denikin is not entirely correct.

        The article correctly gives an example of Denikin. He practically tried to do the same thing in the same way. And the junta's allies are the same (though their great-grandchildren, but this does not change the essence), the US and the EU completely control and arm (the stream of former Soviet military equipment) the junta, while making a "peacekeeping mine with a bad game." And the tactics of the ukrovoyak (mainly the civilian population) show the style of the Americans with the naked eye. There are few militias, but they hold back and counterattack successfully despite the overwhelming advantage of dill in numbers and in technology, and I completely agree with the author and Mahmut with unpredictable (or rather predictable) consequences (very unpleasant) for the junta.
        Mahmut
        Therefore, the allocation of a battalion of fighters 400-500, mobile, with adequate weapons, for a throw to Slavyansk or Mariupol is possible. The consequences of this are simply unpredictable.

        Quite possibly, they can, at the prompting of advisers from the USA, arrange some kind of dirty trick (perhaps worse than a downed Boeing) the United States does not like to lose!
      2. +7
        22 August 2014 15: 00
        Great phrase
        Denikin was dependent on the "allies" of the Entente, since he did not have his own material base (weapons and ammunition)

        Everything is in it. Why Denikin (Russian general), with the Russian army on Russian soil did not have a base? Not only is it material as well as human? The army of the South of Russia has always been lower in numbers than the Red Army. It seems that Kara-Murza wrote that the Bogo Bolsheviks defeated the Entente army because Russia weaved five million bast shoes for soldiers.

        Going to Kharkov (according to sociologists, more than 50% are against Russia) is not the same as taking Crimea. Why is nobody listening to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of Russia Putin? He clearly said that the situation in Novorosiya is fundamentally different from the Crimea. In Crimea, we were 100% confident in the support of the population. In Donetsk and Lugansk, there is no such confidence. Even more so in Kharkov. The further to the West, the less support from the population. According to the well-known anecdote "the further into the forest, the thicker the partisans."

        So the raid on Slavyansk (and under the command of the same Strelkov) is an excellent PR move. The destruction of ammunition depots, raid operations, the destruction of artillery positions - these are all tactical tasks that are completely within the capabilities of the Southeast Army. A deep operation in Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Kiev is the task of tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.
        1. 0
          24 August 2014 19: 03
          Quote: Bakht
          In Crimea, we were 100% sure of the support of the population. In Donetsk and Lugansk there is no such confidence. In Kharkov, even more so. The farther to the west


          Yes, they’ll be buried at these amorphous hatskrayniks, the army will come - they will adapt, they won’t have to fight.
    7. 0
      22 August 2014 18: 33
      God forbid !!!
    8. +1
      22 August 2014 23: 03
      Those. Ukrainian punitive already themselves climbed into the future "Donetsk boiler". Striking even small highly mobile units of Novorussia (500 — 800 fighters and 40 — 60 armored vehicles, tightly covered with MANPADS) in strategic areas:

      a) Slavyansk - Izyum - Chuguev - Kharkov (distance less than 300 km);
      b) Krasnoarmeysk - Pavlodar - Dnepropetrovsk (distance less than 250 km);
      c) Volnovakha - Mariupol (distance less than 100 km)

      will lead not only to the capture (destruction) of the main supply bases of the ATO, but, most importantly, to the moral collapse of the entire APU group. They will simply not be able to stop these raids due to the complete absence of highly mobile strong strategic reserves.

      Someone may call me a "traitor", issuing plans for New Russia to the enemy.


      No, someone will call the author a dreamer and a hat-taker.
      Damn, what a raid in FIG. What can a battalion tactical group do after a 300-km march in a big city? In the best case, take a picture with the flag on the background of the RSA. Or just stand on the outskirts and leave. And in the worst it will be forced to break through with fights, because, in any case, Kiev still has soldiers and equipment.
  2. +10
    22 August 2014 08: 57
    We will witness the collapse of the ATO. We will witness how the maydaunas will run right up to Paris and Fashington. And also witnesses of the Victory parade when the captured Nazis will be held in the city of Donetsk and Lugansk.
    1. +1
      22 August 2014 10: 27
      At the winter session of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, the issue of accepting a new object of the Federation of the Little Russian FD into Russia will be considered.
  3. +10
    22 August 2014 08: 58
    It was smooth on paper, but ravines prevented it. There are enough fools and traitors in command everywhere.
    1. +22
      22 August 2014 09: 09
      Quote: zao74
      There are enough fools and traitors in command everywhere.

      Fools - I agree, but about the traitors .... how to say ... If people, while at work in the Moscow Region, and for some reason who are not able to personally join the militia, but help him from Kiev, then they do not traitors in my opinion. Moreover, let them sit there and continue to inform, plan and so on. They will bring more benefits, and perhaps someday we will find out their names ... From Strelkov’s memoirs laughing
      1. The Art of War
        0
        22 August 2014 12: 18
        http://nampuom-pycu.livejournal.com/69479.html
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          1. The Art of War
            +4
            22 August 2014 12: 23
            laughing Klitschko Winter House 2015
            1. Serjant_VS_SSSR
              +3
              22 August 2014 17: 48
              No, this is not winter. I just sniffed unsuccessfully!
            2. wanderer
              +1
              24 August 2014 11: 29
              this bloke will leave for Germany to warm up then ((((((((((((((
        2. The Art of War
          0
          22 August 2014 13: 16
          http://nampuom-pycu.livejournal.com/70849.html
          1. The Art of War
            0
            22 August 2014 13: 17
            http://nampuom-pycu.livejournal.com/68728.html
  4. +5
    22 August 2014 09: 03
    All this is not bad, but the militia lacks organization. If Strelkov gathers a single army subordinate to one center, then the fascists will be chased.
  5. +5
    22 August 2014 09: 04
    I liked the raising of flags. At the moment, this "weapon" is even more effective. than shells.
  6. +6
    22 August 2014 09: 06
    I am ashamed to ask: is there a General Staff in Ukraine?
    Well, the Minister of Defense is a policeman, but the minister does not carry out planning.
    1. xan
      +3
      22 August 2014 17: 28
      Quote: smart75
      but planning isn’t carried out by the minister.

      they plan there either Svidomo illiterate, or literate, but Soviet, with a clear attitude to Banderas, or Americans with the task of shed as much Ukrainian blood as possible.
      As I understood from the ATO, Ukrainians cannot fight against Russians, they can only fight for Russians.
  7. +3
    22 August 2014 09: 07
    Before such raids, you first need to cover the rear, and for this to gain control over the border throughout the New Russia with the destruction of the remaining units.
    1. +2
      22 August 2014 12: 59
      Quote: AlexGS
      Before such raids, you first need to cover the rear, and for this to gain control over the border throughout the New Russia with the destruction of the remaining units.
      Remember Kovpak? Did he also have control over the border all along?
      1. mkpu 73-77
        +1
        22 August 2014 19: 34
        the former Kovpak security officer had a strong relationship with Moscow! hi soldier
  8. +3
    22 August 2014 09: 07
    Hurry to see this collapse of the ATO.
  9. +7
    22 August 2014 09: 08
    I completely agree, one clarification on
    b) Krasnoarmeysk - Pavlodar - Dnepropetrovsk (distance less than 250 km);

    Pavlodar is in Kazakhstan, But maybe Pavlograd still?
  10. +2
    22 August 2014 09: 10
    Climbing into the boilers over and over, throwing the equipment and bodies of the dead, massively crossing the border ... All this suggests that a hundred normal military men remained in the ATO leadership, only right-wingers.
  11. +1
    22 August 2014 09: 11
    Mdaaa, of course the Silenok would be a militia
  12. +1
    22 August 2014 09: 11
    Quote: Alez
    We will witness the collapse of the ATO. We will witness how the maydaunas will run right up to Paris and Fashington. And also witnesses of the Victory parade when the captured Nazis will be held in the city of Donetsk and Lugansk.

    but who needs these mayduans, they will spend their short century in dugouts until they catch and hang them!
  13. +1
    22 August 2014 09: 11
    When you make your mistakes from the first day of Maidan, then there is no time (and not enough reason) to learn from strangers.
  14. +8
    22 August 2014 09: 11
    the offensive for the militias is death (an offensive is always inevitable loss of personnel and equipment), and the militias do not have as many of them as required, so you do not need to do this now, the militias need to hold their positions under any conditions, hold, while taking active measures to destroy the remaining means of long-range artillery, tanks, mortars of the enemy, and the final termination of all communications of dill, including in every possible way to prevent the remnants of broken military formations from entering Russia across the border, after which they themselves will die in "cauldrons", albeit cruelly, but otherwise war, half measures do not exist here ... hi do not take Natsik and geese prisoners, unnecessary trouble and burden of maintenance
    1. +2
      22 August 2014 12: 30
      an offensive for militias is death (an offensive is always the inevitable loss of personnel and equipment)


      There are always losses in war. And with a SUCCESSFUL offensive, the loss of the offensive is much less than that of the defender. But defensive measures of war will not win. Anyway, they will find where to punch or leak. The most characteristic in this regard is the Anglo-Boer war.
  15. -1
    22 August 2014 09: 11
    Another sofa napoleonchik?
  16. +4
    22 August 2014 09: 12
    From a military point of view, Poroshenko made a mistake by displacing the military from the ATO command and placing him at the head of a ruthless police general-careerist who clearly underestimates the enemy.

    Well, it was not in vain that Geleta signed the oath with a closed cap. Then he will declare at a meeting of the tribunal: like, how I could fight the anti-human regime.
  17. +1
    22 August 2014 09: 12
    Well, I "burned" all the plans of counterstrikes ...
  18. +3
    22 August 2014 09: 13
    Poroshenko made a mistake- point, I would like to insert a word "fatal"agreeing to start a war in the Southeast.
    1. mkpu 73-77
      +1
      22 August 2014 19: 56
      Vladimir Putin warned the "piglet" not to get blood on his hands!
      "... I put a bracelet on the line, and he, - a fool, - take it and win! Gee-gee-gee ..." - like in "Meeting place ..."? fool
      So now the "fool piglet" will answer in full! am angry
  19. +2
    22 August 2014 09: 16
    Rather, it would all end, how many people can die.
  20. +1
    22 August 2014 09: 16
    Yeah - a holiday that Poroshenkovsky looks like it is covered with something, and by the 24th it will not flow around, only it will smell more! good Sounds like a good day today!
  21. 0
    22 August 2014 09: 16
    Dill does not have full-fledged strike groups, there are no full-fledged stripping groups, and there are no control and retention groups. But I'm not offended by them. smile
  22. +1
    22 August 2014 09: 17
    "... trying to cut the forces of Novorossia into pieces, cut off the DPR from the LPR, and the LPR from the Russian border, and finish off the defenders of Novorossiya together with the civilian population in separate" cauldrons "..."
    Uncle Sam’s ears are immediately visible. This is the standard tactic of the US Army.
  23. +4
    22 August 2014 09: 17
    do not forget about the fact that the militias also suffer losses and the army of NEW RUSSIA is not rubber so as to hold on for a long time, you see how many healthy lads have recorded themselves as refugees, some worse women shoot and bomb bomb God forbid fighters who fight
  24. +1
    22 August 2014 09: 18
    Do you need tips and advice to the enemy? Which side is the author on? You just have to silently rejoice at the incompetent command of ukrov, and not give valuable advice!
  25. yur58
    0
    22 August 2014 09: 21
    All the events of recent years in Ukraine lead to a logical result: the collapse of the country, sooner or later, with a high degree of probability, it should have happened. Take a look at the video and understand everything.
    http://www.odnoklassniki.ru/video/62851056208725-0 - история Украины за 2 минуты.
  26. S.S. Gorbunkov
    0
    22 August 2014 09: 26
    Rave. Geletey to the so-called ATO has nothing to do. Leads the so-called ATO of the chief of the General Staff, he is also a command of the Ukrainian Air Force, a certain Muzhenko. For that matter.
  27. +6
    22 August 2014 09: 27
    Article plus. But the author repeats the mistake of General Eremenko, who promised Stalin in August-September 1941 several cavalry divisions and two regiments of IL-2 to cut the communications of the 1st tank group of Guderian, delivering the famous strike to the south. Error in the mismatch of strength and capabilities. God grant that soon we will see full compliance.
  28. S.S. Gorbunkov
    +1
    22 August 2014 09: 28
    Quote: vrach
    I completely agree, one clarification on
    b) Krasnoarmeysk - Pavlodar - Dnepropetrovsk (distance less than 250 km);

    Pavlodar is in Kazakhstan, But maybe Pavlograd still?

    Naturally.
  29. 0
    22 August 2014 09: 29
    A competent analysis, there are certainly blots (like a person uninitiated in specific plans of command), but in general, everything is true. I won’t be surprised if it turns out that Shooter is just preparing one of these quick response groups for sudden raids on the rear. And given the panic and discontent in the Armed Forces, PS, Natsik - this will be disastrous for the latter. Well, they will start firing at their own with fear. Another even a small bowler hat will give inspiration to the militias and panic in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, from there they are already running in packs.
    1. +1
      22 August 2014 11: 00
      Quote: vigor1288
      I won’t be surprised if it turns out that Shooter is just preparing one of these quick response groups for sudden raids on the rear.


      What can be a tank raid on the rear in the complete absence of air defense systems (MANPADS not counted) and the domination of the enemy in the air?
  30. +1
    22 August 2014 09: 30
    Quote: Giant thought
    It is necessary to arrange for the Ukrainian fascists a large Stalingrad.

    That's just Stalingrad was not enough there! Do you even know how many people died there? Ukrofashistov and militias are not enough. And then from Stalingrad then only ruins remained. Demoralized, crippled and hungry ukrofashists simply can not restore it.
  31. +1
    22 August 2014 09: 31
    It would be good if the LPR and DPR armies would end this collapse of the ATO.
  32. S.S. Gorbunkov
    -9
    22 August 2014 09: 32
    By the way, where did Girkin go? Has anyone seen him in the last 2 weeks? What happened?
    1. +3
      22 August 2014 09: 49
      Quote: S.S. Gorbunkov
      By the way, where did Girkin go? Has anyone seen him in the last 2 weeks? What happened?

      Do not panic, please. Everything is fine. Strelkov I.I. alive and well, which is what he wants for you .... His vacation will end, most likely, before the scheduled month ..... Will arrive in New Russia. Reserves are slowly accumulating .... There will be counterattacks and not only in Donetsk ......
    2. +1
      22 August 2014 12: 12
      Semen Semenych !!! Where did he go from the submarine. As Kiev liberates, it will go to deserved peace.
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    5. 0
      22 August 2014 21: 56
      Igor Ivanovich is resting, preparing for the parade on August 24.
      S.S.G. censor cries for you. No or UkroPravda.
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  33. +1
    22 August 2014 09: 38
    Again hatred ... The current map does not cause delight, the territory of the militia has narrowed to depressing proportions. And who said that the militia has reserves for a counterattack? Where are the shooters who could resolve the situation? Was he wounded, killed, or was he simply leaked as objectionable?
    1. S.S. Gorbunkov
      +1
      22 August 2014 09: 42
      So I'm talking about the same thing. One will write an article "Hurray! Hurray! Tomorrow we will storm Kiev!", Others believe in it and are jubilant. The police give reports that the right-wing man has not set foot in Ilovaisk, the junta gives reports that all attacks on Ilovaisk have been repulsed and reinforcements have arrived. Whom to believe? Or, too, shout "Hurray !!!"
      1. +2
        22 August 2014 10: 39
        Quote: S.S. Gorbunkov
        that the leg of the right-hander did not set foot in Ilovaisk

        They did not write this in the reports from the militia, on the contrary they wrote that the battles were fought in the city itself, but the enemy was pushed to the outskirts.
    2. xan
      +1
      22 August 2014 17: 40
      Quote: Sergius1977
      The current map does not cause delight, the territory of the militia has narrowed to depressing sizes

      Also say that on this basis, the affairs of Novorossia are worse than during the defense of Slavyansk. I heard a similar analysis from Radzikhovsky on the Echo of Moscow, well, there it is clear - the enemy.
      I don’t understand, is it an inability to analyze or just emotions defeated the mind?
  34. -1
    22 August 2014 09: 43
    The main thing there is to hold out, and then the campaign to Kiev without much resistance. The collapse of KOs we will see during the invasion of New Russia on Ukraine.
  35. S.S. Gorbunkov
    -7
    22 August 2014 09: 44
    By the way, the latest junta reports:

    The army destroyed 11 BM-21 Grad installations, three tanks and five terrorist infantry fighting vehicles in the Snezhny district.

    This was reported by the press center of the anti-terrorist operation.

    "The anti-terrorist operation forces continue their offensive. The enemy has suffered considerable losses. In particular, the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed eleven BM-21 Grad installations, three tanks and five terrorist infantry fighting vehicles in the Snizhne area. According to preliminary estimates, the losses of Russian mercenaries are more than XNUMX people. According to radio interceptions, the marginalized, having suffered losses, are in panic, "it was reported.
    1. +5
      22 August 2014 10: 10
      Quote: S.S. Gorbunkov
      “The anti-terrorist operation forces continue their offensive. The enemy suffered considerable losses. In particular, the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed eleven BM-21 Grad installations, three tanks and five terrorist infantry fighting vehicles in the Snizhne area with well-aimed fire.

      After the reports of the ATO, the question always arises. If the militias immediately try to provide evidence of destroyed equipment. That is why, it does not do ATO, that the militia suffers losses in technology, this is understandable. But in addition to the burnt BRDM in Mariupol, BMP and tank, when breaking through from Slavyansk, in principle, there is nothing.
      I forgot the site (I’ll try to find it), they collect evidence for all destroyed equipment and APU and militias. A few days ago and 120 photos of evidence, only about 10 belonged to the militias ...
      1. +1
        24 August 2014 02: 54
        militias immediately trying to provide evidence of destroyed equipment. Then why, it does not do ATO


        They also bombed the convoy of troops of the Russian Federation request
        without a trace ... request
    2. +4
      22 August 2014 10: 43
      Quote: S.S. Gorbunkov
      The army destroyed 11 BM-21 Grad installations, three tanks and five terrorist infantry fighting vehicles in the Snezhny district.


      And they didn’t shoot down Russian planes there? laughing
    3. +4
      22 August 2014 13: 43
      Quote: S.S. Gorbunkov
      By the way, the latest junta reports:
      - yeah, everyone believed so! Psaki their teacher! Video photo where? Militias by the way provide shooting! hi
  36. 0
    22 August 2014 09: 45
    But how much time to hold on is unknown.
  37. Sergeqr
    0
    22 August 2014 09: 46
    Competent article.
    Inspires "hopeless", that is, complete, hope in the complete victory of Novorossiya.
    Hurry up.
  38. -3
    22 August 2014 09: 49
    This entire article is based on information from the Russian media, and not the fact that it is true. Alas sad
    1. +4
      22 August 2014 10: 06
      Quote: Target
      This entire article is based on information from the Russian media, and not the fact that it is true. Alas

      For "the most truthful information", please contact ukroSMI, it seems that you, the sites are confused.
      1. +2
        22 August 2014 11: 06
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Quote: Target
        This entire article is based on information from the Russian media, and not the fact that it is true. Alas

        For "the most truthful information", please contact ukroSMI, it seems that you, the sites are confused.

        No, Tatyana, they didn’t mix up smile If before the svidomye of this forum avoided grazing on the censor, then in the last week there are a lot of them, as you see ...... Yes, in general - and let .... smile It speaks of discord in their heads ... They are afraid. And they’re doing it right. Even fun, as they are wary, they catch any information about Igor Ivanovich ..... DO NOT WAIT .... laughing
  39. S.S. Gorbunkov
    -11
    22 August 2014 09: 55
    Censor anneals !:


    For a month from Ukraine to Chechnya delivered more than 120 coffins with the bodies of Kadyrov’s mercenaries, - the media
    In the last month alone, from 120 to 150 bodies of militants who went to support the so-called “Russian spring” were delivered to the Republic of Chechnya from eastern Ukraine, where the anti-terrorist operation takes place.
    According to the information of the Kavkaz Center opposition news agency, no honor is given to those killed in the battle with the Ukrainian military Kadyrov’s mercenaries, reports Tsenzor.NET.

    “A hasty funeral is being organized, and the bodies are quickly buried. The apostates were forbidden to conduct long funeral procedures and to give any information about the Kadyrovites killed in Ukraine, ”the resource said, citing information from local residents.
    1. +4
      22 August 2014 10: 09
      even more, the trolls are annealed, this garbage dump called tsn ... smile
    2. +3
      22 August 2014 10: 36
      Quote: S.S. Gorbunkov
      “A hasty funeral is being organized

      And according to Chechen customs, there is no "unhurried" funeral. The deceased is usually buried the next morning after death. hi
      1. +4
        22 August 2014 11: 04
        This is not according to Chechen, but according to Islamic traditions.
        1. 0
          25 August 2014 13: 59
          I am aware that Islamic! hi
    3. mkpu 73-77
      0
      22 August 2014 20: 22
      Publishing any crap ?! Do you think to find "snake-eaters" here ?!
      However, it’s fine for general information ... No. what
  40. +9
    22 August 2014 09: 57
    Yes, looking at the map is scary. Of course, I am not a strategist, but with such a twisted - rugged front (and in general, does the front as such exist?) There can be no talk of any real offensive. What is the offensive when in the rear of the advancing army there are enemy formations here and there? In general, all these cries about the imminent offensive are more like PR, to cover up a really worthless state of affairs. And we are doing this in large numbers and shouting: - Hooray!
  41. S.S. Gorbunkov
    -3
    22 August 2014 09: 58
    From Twitter:


    Getman's Ledokoin @ YevhenS · 3 min

    A powerful northern sledgehammer of the Armed Forces hangs over the Red Beam and Anthracite.
    SO SO HU.YA. THERE'S ON TERROVS'S ANVIL
    Oh how long have i been waiting for this ring

    Delirious, oil))))
    1. +1
      22 August 2014 16: 28
      Quote: S.S. Gorbunkov
      From Twitter:


      Getman's Ledokoin @ YevhenS · 3 min

      A powerful northern sledgehammer of the Armed Forces hangs over the Red Beam and Anthracite.
      SO SO HU.YA. THERE'S ON TERROVS'S ANVIL
      Oh how long have i been waiting for this ring

      Delirious, oil))))


      Well, you don’t be so optimistic, because Hitler was also planning to make a military parade in Moscow in the fall of 41 laughing .

      Well, if you think the fighters with the dogs of the Kiev junta in the Donbass are TERRORISTS, then I ask for links to evidence of their alleged terrorism! No empty words! negative
  42. 0
    22 August 2014 09: 58
    The picture of possible future military events in southeastern Ukraine and the characteristics of "prominent" Ukrainian personalities are described by the author more or less competently, you cannot say anything, but soon it will get colder and winter will come, and this is an important factor for the conduct of hostilities on both sides. One way or another, gritting his teeth, President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko agreed to participate in a meeting in Minsk on August 26, which will be held in the format Ukraine-EU-CU (Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia), where Russian President Vladimir Putin will also be present. Let's hope that there he will be shown his place and "a bad peace than a good war" will reign in the country. Moreover, in my opinion, there is not much time before his dismissal from the post of President.
    1. +3
      22 August 2014 10: 41
      Quote: Vilior
      The picture of possible future military events in southeastern Ukraine and the characteristics of "prominent" Ukrainian personalities are described by the author more or less competently, you cannot say anything, but soon it will get colder and winter will come, and this is an important factor for the conduct of hostilities on both sides. One way or another, gritting his teeth, President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko agreed to participate in a meeting in Minsk on August 26, which will be held in the format Ukraine-EU-CU (Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia), where Russian President Vladimir Putin will also be present. Let's hope that there he will be shown his place and "a bad peace than a good war" will reign in the country. Moreover, in my opinion, there is not much time before his dismissal from the post of President.
  43. S.S. Gorbunkov
    -1
    22 August 2014 10: 04
    Quote: Vilior
    Let's hope that there he will be shown his place and "a bad peace than a good war" will reign in the country. Moreover, in my opinion, there is not much time before his dismissal from the post of President.


    The trouble is that for Putin, and for Poroshenko, retreat is like death. Crash. So, nothing will happen.
    1. +5
      22 August 2014 10: 38
      Quote: S.S. Gorbunkov
      The trouble is that for Putin, for Poroshenko, a retreat

      And Putin was stepping somewhere? (Crimea does not count). laughing
  44. -7
    22 August 2014 10: 06
    And why did you all run into Poroshenko that there are no other personalities for dousing? Avakov, Kolomoisky, Yatsenyuk, Geletey, Tyagnibok, Klitschko, Tymoshenko, and so on. In addition, you (in my opinion) forget that the war began under Turchinov, and not under Poroshenko.
    1. +4
      22 August 2014 10: 43
      Quote: Target
      And why did you all run into Poroshenko that there are no other personalities for dousing? Avakov, Kolomoisky, Yatsenyuk, Geletey, Tyagnibok, Klitschko, Tymoshenko, and so on. In addition, you (in my opinion) forget that the war began under Turchinov, and not under Poroshenko.
      1. +4
        22 August 2014 11: 20
        "...
        What will I, as President, come to you in the very near future? With the world. With the project of decentralization of power. With a guarantee of free use of the Russian language in your region. With a firm intention not to divide Ukrainians into right and wrong. With respect to the specifics of the regions. To the right of local communities to their own nuances in matters of historical memory, the pantheon of heroes, and religious traditions. With a joint project worked out even before the elections with our partners from the European Union to create jobs in the East of Ukraine. With the prospect of investment, with a draft program for the economic reconstruction of Donbass ... "Petro Poroshenko, an appeal to the Ukrainian people after the inauguration in the Verkhovna Rada.
        1. +3
          22 August 2014 12: 04
          It’s interesting - as soon as the Junta is given over the ears, negotiations begin immediately ... They pour from empty to empty and meanwhile regroup forces for new strikes ... And when the Junta sets in - no negotiations !!!
          There is no particular reason for joy ... The main thing is that time is working for the West - the war is dragging on - fierceness is growing on both sides - victims are already numbering in thousands ... Everything is going according to the US plan - they are doing what they promised - there is a bloody massacre in eastern Ukraine !!!
          Naturally, it is not the United States and the West that suffers from this, but the Russian world that Putin so loves to talk about and die !!!
          1. 0
            24 August 2014 03: 03
            but the Russian world is suffering and dying

            The Russian world does not perish! He is focusing. And grows stronger.
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    3. +1
      22 August 2014 12: 10
      Quote: Target
      And why did you all run into Poroshenko that there are no other personalities for dousing?

      HAIL I!
      (otherwise I’m white and fluffy)
    4. +1
      22 August 2014 14: 12
      Quote: Target
      And why did you all run into Poroshenko that there are no other personalities for dousing? Avakov, Kolomoisky, Yatsenyuk, Geletey, Tyagnibok, Klitschko, Tymoshenko, and so on. In addition, you (in my opinion) forget that the war began under Turchinov, and not under Poroshenko.

      Let's not chase Parashenko, but chase Vaysman. Let the parashka rest.
      1. 0
        23 August 2014 21: 49
        let me clarify, on Waltzman.
    5. +1
      23 August 2014 03: 31
      Indeed, here I’m sitting trading, two people come, one m at a duck, and the other is his friend and asked: "Are there stickers Putin's ... lo?" I say no, there are only "poroshenko NOT x ... lo!" You should have seen their faces ...
    6. 0
      24 August 2014 03: 00
      And why did you all run into Poroshenko that there are no other personalities for dousing? Avakov, Kolomoisky, Yatsenyuk, Geletey, Tyagnibok, Klitschko, Tymoshenko, and so on. In addition, you (in my opinion) forget that the war began under Turchinov, and not under Poroshenko.

      He took responsibility for the country. So let him answer. He could stop the war. I didn’t want to.
  45. +3
    22 August 2014 10: 09
    ... Denikin’s troops occupied Voronezh


    From Mayakovsky of those times:
    - Denikin took Voronezh.
    Uncle, drop it, otherwise you’ll drop it!
  46. +5
    22 August 2014 10: 12
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/320/aerm217.jpg
  47. +5
    22 August 2014 10: 13
    That's what theirs Semyon Semyonchenko writes on Facebook, 1 hour ago. This is part of the written, the rest is here https://www.facebook.com/dostali.hvatit?fref=ts


    The city continues to fight. I keep in touch with commanders and fighters. The guys really are now together with a consolidated company of motorized riflemen like 300 Spartans. Only there are not 300 of them yet :(. Constantly shelling from hail, mortars, ags. Terrorists have already shot down the nodal points. There are also a large number of wounded. In the left part of the city, on the right side we have almost twice as many cotton snouts. Judging by the prisoners, more than half are cadre officers and soldiers from the Russian Federation, some are stupidly in uniform, they are not just scattered individually, but are already working as separate platoons, that is, this is already a real military invasion.

    Where do they all find the Russian army? what
    1. +2
      22 August 2014 10: 47
      That's what theirs Semyon Semyonchenko writes on Facebook, 1 hour ago. This is part of the written, the rest is here https://www.facebook.com/dostali.hvatit?fref=ts


      The city continues to fight. I keep in touch with commanders and fighters. The guys really are now together with a consolidated company of motorized riflemen like 300 Spartans. Only there are not 300 of them yet :(. Constantly shelling from hail, mortars, ags. Terrorists have already shot down the nodal points. From there are a large number of wounded. On the left side of the city, on the right side we have almost twice as many cotton snouts. Judging by the prisoners, more than half are cadre officers and soldiers from the Russian Federation. Some are dumb in shape. They are not just scattered into units individually, but are already working as separate platoons, that is, this is already a real military invasion.


      - Medicine, what is this disease called?
      - Contusion. wassat laughing
      1. 0
        22 August 2014 11: 28
        Quote: Victor-M

        - Medicine, what is this disease called?
        - Contusion.

        Weighed down by diarrhea.
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    3. +1
      22 August 2014 11: 56
      Quote: Sledgehammer
      Where do they all find the Russian army? what
      Smoke fences, see.
      But actually it’s even funny: the "unarmed" valiant army is overpowering the regular Russian troops. laughing
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    5. +1
      22 August 2014 12: 18
      Quote: Sledgehammer
      more than half are personnel officers and soldiers from the Russian Federation. Some are dumb in shape. They are not just scattered into units individually, but are already working as separate platoons, that is, this is already a real military invasion.

      Well what to say. FEAR HAS BIG EYES.
    6. +1
      22 August 2014 12: 48
      Quote: Sledgehammer
      Here is what theirs Semyon Semyonchenko writes on Facebook, 1 hour ago

      Well, yes, lying with a shot ass in Dnepropetrovsk. Fantasy, not bad played out ...
    7. mkpu 73-77
      +4
      22 August 2014 20: 55
      And I will gladly sew my cadet red epaulettes on my father’s gymnast again! Let the geeks know that the Kremlin’s red junkers are for New Russia! soldier
      I don’t feel sorry for myself - I already lived (2 sons and 3 daughters) .And I’m not going to feel sorry for these creatures! am am
    8. 0
      24 August 2014 03: 11
      Some are dumb in shape.


      Stirlitz walked through Berlin ... Nothing betrayed a scout in him, except for a budenovka and a parachute ... soldier
  48. sergant6776
    +3
    22 August 2014 10: 13
    Competent article. That would be God’s ears ... and GO. BUT beautifully on paper, but forgot about the ravines.
  49. +3
    22 August 2014 10: 15
    Quote: B.T.W.
    Quote: Target
    This entire article is based on information from the Russian media, and not the fact that it is true. Alas

    For "the most truthful information", please contact ukroSMI, it seems that you, the sites are confused.

    Where did I say that there is the most truthful? Nowhere! But you are so sure that ukroSMI is so bad that you don’t notice that RussoMI is probably no better. There is no certainty! The best way to find out the truth is to go there yourself and see for yourself!
    1. +1
      22 August 2014 10: 35
      Quote: Target
      There is no certainty! The best way to find out the truth is to go there yourself and see for yourself!

      So why did it become, is something holding you back ???
    2. +2
      22 August 2014 16: 27
      Eagle! Follow your advice: "The best way to find out the truth is to go there yourself and see with your own eyes!" and correctly report what is happening!
    3. 0
      24 August 2014 03: 14
      that ukroSMI is so bad that you don’t notice that RussoMI is possible

      Refugees compared. They said that "ukroSMI is so bad." negative
  50. lankrus
    +9
    22 August 2014 10: 21
    The strike of even small highly mobile formations of New Russia (500-800 fighters and 40-60 units of armored vehicles, tightly covered by MANPADS) in strategic directions:

    a) Slavyansk - Izyum - Chuguev - Kharkov (distance less than 300 km);
    b) Krasnoarmeysk - Pavlodar - Dnepropetrovsk (distance less than 250 km);
    c) Volnovakha - Mariupol (distance less than 100 km)

    will lead not only to the capture (destruction) of the main supply bases of the ATO, but, most importantly, to the moral collapse of the entire APU group.


    I think the author is getting excited. Even if these forces were available, these attacks would be just like a bunch in a puddle, with the loss of equipment and fighters. Because in this case, this group would easily be cut off from the supply lines and then destroyed.
    The most powerful move is the creation of partisan detachments and RDGs so that they saddle the enemy’s communications. The weakest place in dill is the supply of ammunition and food. You don’t even need to capture settlements, it is enough to mine roads with HE mines and knock out trucks with snipers. Dill is already suffocating from a lack of freight transport. It is enough to stop the delivery for two or three days and the dill will wither.
    1. 0
      22 August 2014 16: 55
      and this has long been asked for implementation, but something does not seem to add up, or the militia immediately and without disputes passes into the category of terrorists, and this is not acceptable.
    2. 0
      23 August 2014 21: 54
      Pupils I.G. Starinov for instruction and guidance with appropriate supplies
  51. Signature
    0
    22 August 2014 10: 22
    Отчасти похоже на консультативную помощь деятелям АТО.
    Может, не стоит так детально описывать ошибки врага: как бы он не стал на этих подробных описаниях "мудреть" и "крепчать", ведь на любом сайте пасутся разные личности.
    1. +2
      22 August 2014 12: 27
      Quote: Signatur
      Отчасти похоже на консультативную помощь деятелям АТО.
      Может, не стоит так детально описывать ошибки врага: как бы он не стал на этих подробных описаниях "мудреть" и "крепчать", ведь на любом сайте пасутся разные личности.

      Таких планов в каждой пивной дюжина на столик. Какая тайна? Что за шпиономания? Любой грамотный сержант скажет тоже самое.
      По Вашей логике учебник НВП по прочтении сжечь.
      1. Signature
        +1
        22 August 2014 13: 31
        Учебники сегодня единицы читают (нет надобности жечь), а информативность детализированных реляций в соцсетях ценят даже в Госдепе. Но за попытку успокоить - спасибо.
  52. 0
    22 August 2014 10: 26
    Quote: lankrus
    Мне кажется автор горячится. Даже если бы эти силы были в наличии, эти атаки были бы просто как пук в лужу, с потерей техники и бойцов. Потому как в данном случае эта группировка легко бы отсекалась ль линий снабжения а затем уничтожалась.

    Смотря когда проводить атаки, если зимой то такой силы хватит. От укроармии тогда уже мало что останется, да ещё и холод, Киеву капут.
  53. +3
    22 August 2014 10: 35
    Статья написана конечно грамотно, но всё это возможно осуществить только при реальной и многосторонней помощи России.А что бы всё это осуществить необходимо признание ДНР и ЛНР, и если это признание будет, всё остальное это уже чисто технические вопросы. А если признания не будет, то всё описанное в статье это лишь мечты и пустое сотрясание воздуха.
  54. Fox
    +1
    22 August 2014 10: 48
    а я другого мнения.они(главные укропы),не ид.и.оты .они выполняют установку на ГЕНОЦИД.как можно большего количества народа.славянского народа.в угоду евреям.
  55. 0
    22 August 2014 10: 49
    Трудно ополченцам, но молодцы держатся! Дай Бог вам удачи!
  56. +3
    22 August 2014 10: 53
    Мне одному в глаза бросилась неправильность карты или это кажется???
  57. +1
    22 August 2014 10: 54
    Quote: Fox
    в угоду евреям.

    Почему именно евреям? Пин...Американцы что, прошлый век?
  58. +3
    22 August 2014 11: 00
    Ой не зря Стрелков исчез из поля зрения. Как бы он снова не всплыл где то в Харьковской или Николаевской области со своим отрядом, как когда то в Славянске и не замутил бы перманентную революцию на всей территории Руины. Вот тогда и удары мобильных групп ополчения упадут на подготовленную почву и будут встречены на ура.
  59. +1
    22 August 2014 11: 03
    Дай-то Бог всему напророченному в статье сбыться!
  60. Andrey82
    +1
    22 August 2014 11: 09
    Мечтать не вредно, но было бы неплохо если ополчение отгонит карателей на 50-60 км и прекратятся артобстрелы. На большее пока видимо нет сил и техники.
  61. +4
    22 August 2014 11: 22
    Репортаж нашего ТВ(для тех кто не видел):
  62. +3
    22 August 2014 11: 29
    Бойцы бригады "Призрак" благодарят всех помогавшим им Россиян:
    1. +6
      22 August 2014 13: 47
      Quote: quilted jacket
      Бойцы бригады "Призрак" благодарят всех помогавшим им Россиян:
      - Это Вам СПАСИБО! Ведете неравный бой за честь России! Удачи! Берегите себя! drinks
  63. 0
    22 August 2014 11: 31
    хохлошалавы могут только отпор давать на информационном фронте... как собаки гавкаются и истерят,помощи европы требуют... не нут то было,там ещё одна молдова не нужна,своих спиногрызов хватает...
  64. +2
    22 August 2014 11: 33
    Главная проблема ополчения : недостаток в живой силе и отсутствие мобилизационного ресурса.
    Давно уже пора понять , что на революционных настроениях и патриотизме далеко не уедешь и надо формировать регулярные части из жителей востока Украины.
    Именно мобилизация!
    Срочно необходимо свое СМИ - регулярное с ретронсляторами. ( я вот не понимаю наши то чего опять сидят, пока пятух не клюнет)
    И объяснять населению, что чем быстрее отбросят всу от городов, тем быстрее прекратятся обстрелы , гибель людей и неспокойная обстановка.
    Выравнивание в численности военных группировок приведет к перелому в линии фронта и долгожданному паритету .
    Вот тогда и появится сильная позиция у ДНР И ЛНР для ведения переговоров и тд.
    Не хватит сейчас сил у ополчения , не хватит . Нужно вводить кардинальные перемены в политику формирования сил обороны.
    Иначе это война продлится и 6 и 12 месяцев . Только надо понимать , что в таком случае ополчение погибнет. Нужен мобилизационный ресурс и государственная политика, а не революционная.
  65. +4
    22 August 2014 11: 37
    Боец Новороссии на фоне трофейной Д-20 из котла:
  66. +1
    22 August 2014 11: 38
    Quote: volot-voin
    Кто-то, может, назовёт меня "предателем", выдающим планы Новороссии врагу.Во-первых весь мой анализ сделан исключительно на открытых данных, и любой грамотный военный увидит эту ситуацию и без моих подсказок. Во-вторых, ВСУ ничего не могут изменить, т.к. для этого им надо как минимум немедленно начать вывод всех частей из Новороссии для создания единого фронта по линии Машлыкино — Северодонецк — Славянск — Краматорск — Красноармейск — Курахово — Волноваха — Михайловка. А это невозможно даже просто по причине нехватки войск на такой фронт. Уж не говоря о том, что это признание поражения в АТО, и это тогда, когда Киев считает дни до полной победы. Поэтому киевская хунта и дальше будет бросать все силы на штурм Донецка и Луганска, как Деникин в 1919 г. на Москву, а Гитлер в 1942 г. на Сталинград.Думаю, что мы все в ближайшее время станем свидетелями краха АТО.

    Автор - просто красавчег!!! Отличная аналитическая статья! Ополченцам терпения и удачи!
  67. +4
    22 August 2014 11: 42
    Не удивлюсь, если Игорь Иванович весь отпуск проведёт над картами в штабах. А потом ка-а-а-к "шандарахнет"!
    1. 0
      22 August 2014 22: 13
      Неа, о к параду готовится, к 24 августа !
  68. +4
    22 August 2014 11: 44
    Великие украинцы!!! Не ждите помощи от братьев ваших меньших(приматов) У них свой Фергюссон-майдан нарисовался! Вы, украинцы, заразны! crying
    1. 0
      24 August 2014 22: 59
      Свой майдан они раздавят... Это у других они майданы любят, но не у себя! Такая вот двуличность! Явная и неприкрытая!
  69. +1
    22 August 2014 11: 47
    От #Луганск - украинские военные отказались расчистить дороги для прохождения российского конвоя гуманитарной помощи. инфа от Грэмма Филиппса

    Из Новосветловки...
  70. +3
    22 August 2014 11: 53
    На Украине сошёл с рельс и загорелся состав с нефтепродуктами. 11 из 35 загорелись.
    Партизаны, однако рельсовая война.
  71. 0
    22 August 2014 11: 58
    Очевидно что происходит приглашение ВСУ увязнуть в боях за Донецк и Луганск.Не имея возможности создать группировку для решения оперативных задач, ополчение пытается изменить оперативную обстановку на отдельных участках, приглашая ВСУ к бесперспективному противостоянию в городской застройке.Один раз уже так получилось,именно во время наступления противника на Луганск и Донецк был создан Южный котел.Но без мобильной оперативной группировки способной решать возложенные на неё задачи перспектив у ополчения нет.
  72. +2
    22 August 2014 12: 03
    Those. Ukrainian punitive already themselves climbed into the future "Donetsk boiler". Striking even small highly mobile units of Novorussia (500 — 800 fighters and 40 — 60 armored vehicles, tightly covered with MANPADS) in strategic areas:

    a) Slavyansk - Izyum - Chuguev - Kharkov (distance less than 300 km);
    b) Krasnoarmeysk - Pavlodar - Dnepropetrovsk (distance less than 250 km);
    c) Volnovakha - Mariupol (distance less than 100 km)

    Статье в целом плюс. Моё мнение: стратегическое направление б) логичнее сместить несколько к югу по линии Волноваха - Куйбышево - Покровское - Вольнянск - Запорожье. Причина - восточные рубежи Днепропетровской области серьёзно укреплены укропами.
    Минус автору за географию - Павлоград перепутал с Павлодаром (который находится аж в Казахстане).
  73. 0
    22 August 2014 12: 08
    Котел не котел,а полный писец нацгадам предопределен всем ходом т.н. АТО!
  74. +2
    22 August 2014 12: 26
    Can i ask you?
    а почему не рассматриваются иные варианты взятия Мариуполя или Харькова?
    почему бы при поддержке проверенных местных не завести туда тайно частями в схроны оружие и не заехать небольшими группами в гражданском бойцам,на квартиры.
    чтобы в определенный момент взять город и инфраструктуру изнутри?
    и начав укрепление позиций уже ждать помощи из ДНР?
    разве не вариант для обсуждения?
  75. +3
    22 August 2014 12: 28
    Captured Ukrainian military:
  76. wladimir
    0
    22 August 2014 12: 59
    Автор преувеличивает ошибки руководство укров. Возможно это и напоминает милиецскую облаву, но артогонь уничтожающий города и поселки не похож на милицейские свистки. Гибнут люди, уничтожается мирное население и ополченцы без потерь со стороны укропов. Диверсионные удары по батареям, коммуникациям, вот что может сорвать наступление фашистов.
  77. +3
    22 August 2014 13: 04
    On August 21, the Nazi Guard of Ukraine press service reported that grenade launchers, anti-tank mounts and anti-aircraft systems were sent to fighters of the punitive battalion of Donbass, who were surrounded by fire on the outskirts of the city of Ilovaisk. Using this information, the militia decided to intercept this convoy.
    To accomplish this task, a reconnaissance and sabotage group was chosen, which repeatedly went on a mission to the deep rear of the enemy. Late in the evening, taking advantage of the lack of a solid front line, the scouts left behind enemy lines and arranged to send patrols to several highways, along any of which the convoy could advance. Soon, a false column was reported from one of the patrols, followed by a maneuverable armored group. Ukrovoyaki hoped that the militia would attack the empty column and, finding themselves, they themselves would be defeated. The enemy’s cunning was unraveled, and they passed the false column without touching it.
    Спустя полчаса, на той же дороге появилась и основная колонна, включавшая девять бортовых грузовиков КамАЗ. Она также имела бронесопровождение, но меткими выстрелами гранатомётчиков БТРы были сразу же уничтожены из РПГ-7. Шофера повыпрыгивали из машин с поднятыми руками и сами предложили довести машины до расположения ополченцев. К утру, двигаясь окольными путями, колонна прибыла к ополченцам. Как выяснилось, вооружение для карателей везли те самые КамАзы, которые недавно закупила Нацгвардия у российского производителя. Крупная пария вооружения, пригодная для вооружения целого батальона, была тут же распределена по подразделениям/
    http://rusvesna.su/news/1408696873
    1. 89236809148
      0
      23 August 2014 19: 41
      Отличная операция !!!
  78. +1
    22 August 2014 13: 08
    Гуманитарный конвой пошёл!
    ..Вновь заявляем: все необходимые гарантии безопасности прохождения гуманитарного конвоя даны. В МККК наличие таких гарантий было официально признано. Маршруты доставки известны и проверены миссией МККК. Документы оформлены. Грузы давно готовы для проверки украинскими пограничниками и таможенниками, уже неделю находящимися на КПП «Донецк» в Ростовской области. Об этом знают и в тех столицах, где неустанно демонстрируют «повышенную озабоченность» ситуацией на украинском юго-востоке. Выдвижение все новых искусственных требований и предлогов уже стало издевательским.

    It is impossible to endure such chaos, outright lies and incompatibility. All pretexts for delaying the delivery of aid to people in the area of ​​humanitarian disaster have been exhausted. The Russian side decided to act. Our convoy with humanitarian aid begins to move in the direction of Lugansk. Of course, we are ready to be accompanied by ICRC staff and their participation in the distribution of assistance. We hope that representatives of the Russian Red Cross Society will also be able to take part in this action.

    We caution against any attempts to disrupt a purely humanitarian mission that has been prepared for a long time, in an environment of complete transparency and in cooperation with the Ukrainian side and the ICRC. The responsibility for the possible consequences of provocations against the humanitarian convoy will fall entirely on those who are ready to continue to sacrifice human destinies to their ambitions and geopolitical designs, grossly violating the norms and principles of international humanitarian law.

    We again call on the Ukrainian leadership and the United States and the European Union influencing it to urgently transfer the situation in the South-East of Ukraine to the negotiation channel, to begin implementing the agreements set forth in the Geneva statement of Russia, Ukraine, the USA and the EU of April 17, 2014 on the cessation of the use of force, facilitation humanitarian situation and the immediate start of a national dialogue with the participation of all regions of Ukraine.

    From a statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry on August 22, 2014
    http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/9BACEA6220212D7544257D3C0029BDF9


    И пусть кто то попробует что то вякнуть или тем более устроить провокацию!
  79. +2
    22 August 2014 13: 24
    Ещё о колонне:
    Уже около 60 "КамАЗов" с гуманитарным грузом пересекли границу Украины.
    Пятая часть грузовиков из гуманитарного конвоя РФ — около 60 "КамАЗов" — пересекла границу с Украиной, передает корреспондент РИА Новости.
    На украинской территории местные жители приветствовали российскую помощь. В руках они держали плакаты "Россия — мать, в беде нас не оставит", "Нас не убьешь, не поставишь на колени", "Спасибо!", а также российскую символику — георгиевские ленточки и российский флаг.
    http://ria.ru/caricature/20140818/1020436226.html
  80. +1
    22 August 2014 13: 30
    И ещё, может имеет к конфликту на Украине отношения ,а может нет:
    В Воздушно-десантных войсках России завершено формирование миротворческих сил. Общая численность десантников-миротворцев — более 5 тысяч человек, сообщил корр.ИТАР-ТАСС заместитель командующего ВДВ по миротворческим операциям и Коллективным силам оперативного реагирования (КСОР) ОДКБ генерал-майор Александр Вязников.
    «На сегодняшний день в Воздушно-десантных войсках помимо 31-й ОДШБР сформировано еще пять миротворческих батальонов — по одному батальону в каждой дивизии (76-я и 7-я десантно-штурмовые, 98-я и 106-я воздушно-десантные) и в Камышинской 56-й ОДШБР, переподчиненной нам в прошлом году от Сухопутных войск», — уточнил замкомандующего.
    http://news.mail.ru/politics/19280735/
  81. 0
    22 August 2014 13: 51
    Да что тут гадать, "верхи" скажут АТО выиграли и все уничтожили, а на Москву идти не хочется пока... и пойдут в пляс народом. Сейчас тенденция такая что "схавают" любую ложь.
  82. +1
    22 August 2014 13: 51
    Все таки Украинская хунта достойные ученики Израильских карателей те тоже любят наносить удары по школам и вообще по мирному населению:
  83. tokin1959
    +1
    22 August 2014 14: 03
    article - minus.
    план нехороший.
    да, быстрый бросок может и приведет к захвату Мариуполя, Харькова и Славянска.
    но результатом захвата будет разном нескольких блокпостов по дороге и поднятие флага в указанных городах.
    потом эти группы будут окружены и разбиты.
    автор приводит примеры растяжки коммуникаций у Гитлера, Деникина - и советует тоже самое сделать ополчению.
    у киевской хунты в июле -августе были танковые забеги в стиле Гудериана.
    так называемый со слов Авакова "военный марш" вдоль границы, удар на Шахтерск, удар на Красный Луч.
    все эти группировки были отрезаны, окружены и почти истреблены.
    так же будет и с танковым рейдом ополчения.
    итог - ненужные смерти и ослабление сил.

    хорошие карты - оперативно обновляемые
    http://kot-ivanov.livejournal.com/
    1. +1
      22 August 2014 19: 34
      Совершенно с Вами согласен. Автор хочет, что бы ополчение встала на те же грабли, что и украинцы. Надо сей час зачищать котлы в первую очередь, обеспечивать свои тылы и на фоне уплотнения обороны готовить высокомобильные резервы, для парирования прорывов хунты и подготовки к зимнему наступлению.
      Надо дотянуть до осени, будет слякоть и война станет позиционной, по степи города не объедешь, к тому моменту всю регулярную армию ополчение выбьет, экономика рухнет. Зимой степь и украинские города замерзнут, у укров мозги от голода прочистятся, вот тогда и наступать.
  84. +1
    22 August 2014 14: 12
    Карта БД на самом деле выглядит удручающе.На первый взгляд.Намечяющисякотлы видны и только после их ликвидации можно както рассматривать возможные контр удары.
  85. +1
    22 August 2014 14: 38
    Кстате карта не правильная так как в Первомайске никаких нациков нет они стоят в г.Попасная также само как и нет ополченцев возле Светлодарска (это я знаю по тому что живу рядом с г.Первомайском а родственники рядом со Светлодарском)
  86. +1
    22 August 2014 16: 15
    По поводу военного командования украинских ВС.
    В интервью «Нейромиру», находясь в Донецке, Вы недоумевали по поводу командования украинской армии, в том смысле, что непонятны цели, которые преследует украинская армия при планировании и ведении боевых действий.
    Ответ такой. Во-первых, превалирование политических задач над военными, а во-вторых, человеческий фактор. Поясню свою мысль.
    Порох требует от военных в первую очередь не уничтожения ополчения, а захвата населенных пунктов, так как это создает нужную картинку непрерывных побед над проклятыми ватниками, когда каждый день «освобождаются» новые населенные пункты.
    Человеческий же фактор выражается в том, что военные, планирующие боевые действия не решаются отстаивать свою точку зрения перед Порохом.
    Как я уже говорил, кадровая политика Пороха такова, что ему не нужны инициативные сотрудники, ему нужны послушные исполнители. Отсюда и назначение министром обороны Гелетея – человека, не имевшего к армии никакого отношения, причем, мягко говоря, не блещущего умом.
    Из этой же серии назначение НГШ Муженко – командира, может быть, и хорошего по отзывам, но абсолютно не подходящего на должность, сейчас им занимаемую. Отмечают его абсолютную неспособность отстаивать точку зрения Генштаба перед Президентом. Как следствие – Генштаб вынужден планировать операции в соответствии с целями, определенными Порохом.
    Отсюда и соответствующие «успехи.
    http://el-murid.livejournal.com/1970724.html

    Почти как Гитлер со своей ставкой и генералами. А укрогенералы, уже наверняка садятся за написание мемуаров типа "Утерянных побед" Манштейна. Кстати, время для этого у них в скором будущем будет в избытке (на нарах).
  87. +1
    22 August 2014 16: 17
    Есть смысл создавать штурмовые отряды по образцу ВОв ( бои в Бреслау - пример).
  88. +1
    22 August 2014 16: 44
    Quote: nils
    ЛНР И ДНР остаются непризнанными, нелегитимными Республиками, с иррегулярными ополченцами.
    , но вед и признавать то нечего, референдум как мне помнится говорил о том эти республики В СОСТАВЕ Украины. речь шла о расширении полномочий,о праве говорит на русском. теперь видимо что то признавать станет возможно после окончании войны, когда определятся какие то границы.
  89. argon
    0
    22 August 2014 16: 48
    Quote: Scandinavian
    82-year-old grandfather shot from the shotgun of the centurion Maidan
    According to the Ukrainian media, "20 sickles at the battle for vizvolennya Luhansk zaginu the centurion of the 8th" Afghan "hundreds of Self-Defense Maidan Kian Oleg Mikhnyuk."
    For his Afghan and Komsomol past, "Mikhnyuk brawled on the Maidan with great authority." The media also reports that the funeral is expected to take place in Kiev on August 22 at Baykovsky or the military Lukyanovsky cemetery. Farewell will take place on the Maidan, where Oleg Mikhnyuk stayed from the first day of the revolution this Heroy.
    However, the Ukrainian media, naturally, do not disclose the circumstances of his shameful death. And the matter was like this: together with two of his subordinates from the 8th "Afghan" hundred, now part of the Aydar battalion, Mikhnyuk, having drunk on the Korilka, decided to use the local girls in the best traditions of the invaders. Chasing a minor resident of a local village for a long time, they drove her into a barn and tried to rape her. At that moment, her 82-year-old great-grandfather jumped out of the hut with a double-barreled gun and covered two rapists on the spot. While the grandfather was reloading the gun, the third bandit managed to escape.

    Calling on helpers from Aydar, he returned to the place of death of his commander to avenge the girl’s family, but she and her relatives managed to escape. Furious, the punishers burned the hut and outbuildings. So Ukrainian nationalists "allow Lugansk."

    А дед настоящий Ворошиловский Стрелок!!
  90. +3
    22 August 2014 17: 16
    Странная статья...Праздников по сводкам не наблюдается, каждый день фашисты входят в какие то населенные пункты,жесточайше обстреливают населенные пункты,во множестве убивают мирных жителей.Территория контролируемая армиями Новоросии за два с половиной месяца сократилась почти вдвое.Борьба идет на грани людских возможностей и ресурсов.А здесь
    I think that all of us will soon witness the collapse of the ATO.
    Легкомысленное шапкозакидательство. Даже после ликвидации Амвросивского выступа и юго-западной группировки около Луганска можно говорить ,лишь о некотором облегчении положения республик.Трудов и крови до победы истратится еще немало...
  91. Tanechka-clever
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    22 August 2014 17: 20
    "Порошенко совершил ошибку, сместив с командования АТО военных и поставив во главе безжалостного милицейского генерала-карьериста" - Порошенко уже начинает боятся военных. У военных руки уже по локоть в народной крови. Сегодня военные в украинской армии это Хлудов из пьесы "Бег» Михаила Булгакова, написанная им еще в 1926—1927 гг. Но видать Порошенко плохо учился в школе. Читать не любит, а любит считать деньги и лучше доллары. А сегодняшние военные Украины думали, что "мертвые" НЕ ПРИХОДЯТ..... А они приходят... Только сегодняшним военным чинушам киевской хунты придется отвечать по двойному тарифу. И за смерть тех солдат, которые не хотел идти и убивать, но страх поработил их и они пошли на убой, и теперь лежит убитые в земле Донбасса - да только НЕ ЖАЛКО ИХ, потому что они и не защитники, и не освободители, а УБИЙЦЫ и поэтому умирали в ПОЗОРЕ и этот позор не смыть, но наложили этот позор на своих детей. И за смерть тех невинно убиенных детишек и стариков, которых убивали эти убийцы хунты.. прежде чем умереть самим.
    Кается Порошенко конечно может в содеянном, но уже поздно - на его руках кровь. Но еще сегодня могут те, кого посылают в Донбасс - или сложить оружие, или встать в ряды армии Новороссии - что бы не стать преступником и убийцей.
    Ведь любой родительский грех накладывает на детей обязанность его ИСКУПЛЕНИЯ.
  92. 0
    22 August 2014 17: 46
    -Да , конечно же... -Уже не раз писала об этом...
    -Что так все радуются и ликуют...
    -Глобальных-то побед у ополченцев нет... -Да и территория Малоросии не освобождена... -Даже аэропорты в Донецке и Луганске ополченцы так и не смогли освободить... -Кто там вообще в этих аэропортах засел..? -Сверхчеловеки непобедимые, что ли..?
    -Почему это ополченцы так и не могут их победить..?
    -Да и вообще... -ведь как становится ясно... -ополченцы не смогут и не в состоянии воевать вне городов и посёлков -в поле ,в окопах -как воюет "настоящая армия" на "настоящей войне"... -Там ,в поле их укропы сразу "накроют" своей мощной , всесильной и непобедимой артиллерией...
    -Вот и получается , что ополченцы вроде как и стремятся освободить поселки и города .., а сами-то не могут из них выйти воевать в поле , в окопы... -нет у них ни сил , ни военной техники... -Вот такой вот получается "замкнутый круг"... -Да ещё ополченцы так и не нашли эффективный способ противостоять укроповской артиллерии... -Она как стреляла безпрестанно -так и продолжает безнаказанно стрелять ,убивать и разрушать...
    -А укропы после "парада" подвезут новую армию и технику и снова начнут наступление... -И снова ополченцы начнут отбиваться в осаждённых разрушенных городах... -А Москва будет просто продолжать наблюдать "тихой сапой"...
    1. 0
      24 August 2014 03: 35
      как воюет "настоящая армия" на "настоящей войне"...

      Это как в кино? lol
  93. 0
    22 August 2014 18: 34
    Сейчас самое время создавать партизанские отряды где нибудь под Куевом, пусть там жалят как пчела, и оттягивают на себя вооруженные части укроармии... А МДГ (мобильные диверсионные группы) - ч. морят коммуникации противника Тогда и Стрелковцам будет полегче!
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  95. +2
    22 August 2014 19: 25
    22.08.14/18/43 XNUMX:XNUMX Review of the combat situation from the militia Prokhorov

    "Convoy, but the war continues.
    The systematic destruction of the enemy in the Saur-Grave region continues, with a simultaneous attack on the enemy strongholds in the Amvrosiyivka region. So from Grad covered the stronghold of dill in with. Kuteynikovo. We are waiting for new pictures with burned equipment.
    The area of ​​the fennel environment of dill is expanding to the Telmanovsky district of the DPR - terrbat positions are set up at the district center. Those on interceptions - a real panic, there are cases of unauthorized care (in the area of ​​Novoazovsk and Mariupol).
    Fighting continues in the area of ​​Slavyanoserbsk, in particular in the village of Bold (east of the city) - Dill massively used artel against residential buildings
    The fighting continues near Ilovaisk, as well as near Donetsk - Marinka, Krasnogorovka. Fighting is also continuing in the Zhdanovka area, as well as near the village of Verkhnetoretsk (between occupied Avdiivka and Gorlovka). Also dealt a blow to the enemy’s rear in sec. Birch
    In the LPR, the destruction of the Ukro troops in Novosvetlovka and the battles in Stanitsa-Luganskaya continue, to which the enemy, as reinforcements, deployed a consolidated detachment of border guards. There are also shootings in Stukalovaya Beam.
    The offensive of the enemy from the occupied Lutugino to the south stopped in the area n. Kruglik, and from the side of Novosvetlovka - at Novoivanovka.
    By the way, the Ukrainians are pulling everything they have under Ilovaisk. Even the "Crimea" unit, which was supposed to organize terrorist activities in Crimea.
    For losses ukrov under Ilovaisk. Here they have really big losses - the score goes to dozens, and maybe hundreds. Exactly unknown - art works tightly. It is known that the hospital in Mariupol can not cope, and their wards sent to the Dnieper.
    Ukrainians write: "The first seven trucks from a convoy of 34 cars are immobilized, some of them are on fire. The convoy, which reached the Novosvetlovka area, turned around and scrambled to the border." Wet dreams. The convoy is guarded by Kozyr's detachment (those who drove the paratroopers in Shakhtersk). "
  96. 0
    22 August 2014 19: 36
    Чего-то карта малость не радует, по ней ВСУ отрезало все магистрали от Донецка и Луганска, а так же почти рассекла на 3 крупных котла армию Новороссии, теперь понятно почему поросёнок не собирается сдаваться...
    1. +1
      22 August 2014 20: 22
      Это карта вранье, сами посмотрите, населенные пункты заняты ополчением, а вокруг них территория не контролируется,и наоборот, что за бред, карта с укропского сайта. Смотрите наши карты!!! Изображение кликабельно, сравнивайте.
      1. 0
        22 August 2014 20: 52
        Вот эта карта мне больше нравиться, хорошо бы, чтобы она соответствовала действительности :)))
      2. +1
        23 August 2014 22: 13
        Сайт http://kot-ivanov.livejournal.com/
  97. 0
    22 August 2014 20: 52
    Очень бы хотелось поверить в правоту автора.
  98. 0
    22 August 2014 21: 02
    Quote: Magadan
    I agree to all 100%. in my opinion, for the time being, victorious reports are inappropriate. forces are too unequal. By l / s, the militia is 3 times inferior, in artillery 6-7 times, the same in armored vehicles. Add to this the supply of shells, cartridges, etc. Although Dill is now an under-state, they have much more opportunities in this regard. Plus aviation. Let the Militia and knock them down, but in the open field to succumb to any for them is deadly.
    So God grant strength, courage and luck to the Militias, but the victorious relay is not yet in place


    Так да не так. В сети есть видео-интервью - у мужика (ЛНР) убило осколком дочь, он достал свой охотничий карабин и превратился в крайне опасного врага у.к.р.о.в, он знает местность, отлично стреляет, охотник одним словом, и главное он высокомотивирован, его жизнь ему не нужна больше, цель остатка его жизни - УБИТЬ как можно больше у.к.р.о.в, а кто ему противостоит? - сопляки 20 летние у которых молоко на губах не обсохло, которые только и ищут ближайшие кусты что бы автомат выбросить. И кто победит?
  99. 0
    22 August 2014 22: 14
    Правильно говорили древние:если судьба хочет поражения врага-она лишает его разума.
  100. Alexey_CMYK
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    22 August 2014 23: 55
    Quote: Rigla
    Quote: Magadan
    I agree to all 100%. in my opinion, for the time being, victorious reports are inappropriate. forces are too unequal. By l / s, the militia is 3 times inferior, in artillery 6-7 times, the same in armored vehicles. Add to this the supply of shells, cartridges, etc. Although Dill is now an under-state, they have much more opportunities in this regard. Plus aviation. Let the Militia and knock them down, but in the open field to succumb to any for them is deadly.
    So God grant strength, courage and luck to the Militias, but the victorious relay is not yet in place


    Так да не так. В сети есть видео-интервью - у мужика (ЛНР) убило осколком дочь, он достал свой охотничий карабин и превратился в крайне опасного врага у.к.р.о.в, он знает местность, отлично стреляет, охотник одним словом, и главное он высокомотивирован, его жизнь ему не нужна больше, цель остатка его жизни - УБИТЬ как можно больше у.к.р.о.в, а кто ему противостоит? - сопляки 20 летние у которых молоко на губах не обсохло, которые только и ищут ближайшие кусты что бы автомат выбросить. И кто победит?

    Пацаны, у которых только сомнительная идеология,которую привили годы промывки. Которых просто призвали и бросили под огонь. И с другой стороны человек, у которого нет идеологии, но есть чувство мести.
    Это куда страшнее. Человек, движимый жаждой мести может зайти слишком далеко. ну не верю я, что все кто воюет за всу такие безмозглые, чтобы не видеть всей картины.Но слишком глубоко сидит страх за будущее, когда (возможно) придется отвечать за свои взгляды. Поэтому и идут на заклание, поэтому и бросают свое оружие и технику, когда уже все, край. может, у кого-то да просыпается понимание, а так ли верна эта идеология, которую так настойчиво прививали на протяжении 20 с лишним лет...Но грустнее всего то, что за всем этим бедламом наш настоящий враг остается за кулисами. Наш общий враг. и украинцев, и россиян. мы то отчетливо видим. но как достучаться до украинцев, что не мы враги им, а те, кто манипулирует их верхушкой, их правительством, и само правительство? сколько еще нужно окропить кровью земли, чтобы пришло понимание очевидного?

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