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In Italy, find out the reasons for the collision in the air of two military aircraft "Tornado"

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In Italy, the investigation into the causes of the collision of two Tornado fighters over the Marche region continues. The collision occurred at an altitude of about 500 meters during the execution of a training flight by pilots. Reports about it RIA News.



After the collision, both aircraft fell near the city of Ascoli Piceno. The tragic incident itself occurred on Tuesday. The badly burned bodies of two pilots were found the day before, but have not yet been identified. The bodies of two more Italian Air Force soldiers were not found.

In each fighter, there were 2 people (navigator and pilot), among them 31-year-old Mariangela Valentini, who had extensive experience in military operations (Afghanistan, Libya). It is reported that all the pilots had solid experience in performing flights, all had officer ranks (the rank of captain).

Prosecutors say that the fatal mistake of one of the pilots was a possible cause of the tragedy. This version is confirmed by an eyewitness. He says that one of the planes touched the other during the flight, after which both began to plummet to the ground.

Fighter "Tornado" operated by the Air Force of Italy, Germany, Britain and Saudi Arabia.
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 21 August 2014 18: 15
    +12
    what to find out then? gouging it and in Italy gouging
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 21 August 2014 18: 19
      +3
      I'm sorry for the pilots .. But their "combat" experience says a lot .. so it's not surprising ..
      In each fighter there were 2 people (navigator and pilot), among them the 31-year-old Marianjela Valentini, who had extensive experience in military operations (Afghanistan, Libya)
      1. net abortion
        net abortion 21 August 2014 18: 38
        +7
        Quote: MIKHAN
        amazing ..


        At the Moscow Zoo Ukro-saboteurs
        repainted parrots
        in the colors of the flag of Ukraine
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 21 August 2014 20: 01
      -3
      Apparently, the pilots transferred their earth showdowns to the heavenly plane, as a result of which they went to heaven.
  2. Karasik
    Karasik 21 August 2014 18: 17
    +19
    We will not stoop to gloating. Although they are not friends with us at all, this is an accident (at first glance). Land in peace for pilots!
  3. pryaniku
    pryaniku 21 August 2014 18: 17
    -8
    minus 2 let them continue in the same spirit am е
  4. Evilcat
    Evilcat 21 August 2014 18: 22
    +3
    Help in equipping the aircraft was provided by American experts. Now they are going to Ukraine.
  5. fly fishing
    fly fishing 21 August 2014 18: 22
    +8
    Bright memory to pilots. Italy is not our enemy, do not be like maydaunov.
    The Italians in 2010 helped to extinguish fires in Russia.
    1. Vasek
      Vasek 21 August 2014 18: 38
      +8
      Quote: fly fishing
      The Italians in 2010 helped to extinguish fires in Russia.

      They also sank the battleship Novorossiysk in 1955, destroying 614 Soviet sailors.
      In peacetime!
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 21 August 2014 18: 57
        +10
        Quote: Vasek
        And also sank the battleship "Novorossiysk" in 1955

        The leader "Tashkent" was built for us, if "Novorossiysk" can not be remembered by everyone, then every inhabitant of the Black Sea region knows "Tashkent". Let's count how many Italians are in our land. Yes, we did not call them, but for the most part they did not ask to go to the front, let us also remember that of all the occupiers, it was the Italians who were distinguished by the greatest humanity towards the population of the USSR, and fiercely hated the Germans, for stealing supplies from Italy, appropriating food for the Italian army, that is why they called Italians "cat dogs". After the Germans, cats were the most common pets for meat in villages after the Germans. You can also recall that they treated the Russians in the same way in 1812, where the Poles and Austrians stood out for their atrocities. My condolences to the victims and their families.
        1. Vasek
          Vasek 21 August 2014 19: 25
          +2
          Quote: shasherin.pavel
          I am sorry for the dead and their families.

          And I do not say that Italians should be hated.
          Simply, any person who decides to connect his life with the armed forces should be ready for self-sacrifice. Regardless of nationality.
          That is the reality. Cruel, but objective.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 August 2014 20: 09
        +3
        Quote: Vasek
        And also sunk the battleship "Novorossiysk"

        Vasek! This is a version only.
        1. Vasek
          Vasek 21 August 2014 20: 34
          -4
          Quote: Bayonet
          Vasek! This is a version only.

          Revelations of a member of that sabotage group have already been published.
          But neither Italy nor the USSR could recognize the official, because an attack on a warship is tantamount to declaring war on the country to which the ship belongs.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 21 August 2014 20: 58
            0
            Quote: Vasek
            Revelations of a member of that sabotage group have already been published.

            There are so many false "revelations" now - just to be promoted!
          2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 August 2014 21: 32
            +1
            Quote: Vasek
            Revelations of a member of that sabotage group have already been published

            Where? :))) This was not.
            1. Vasek
              Vasek 21 August 2014 21: 55
              -1
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Quote: Vasek
              Revelations of a member of that sabotage group have already been published
              Where? :))) This was not.


              http://lenta.ru/news/2013/08/21/sink/

              http://secrethistory.su/245-gibel-linkora.html

              http://www.itogi.ru/archive/2005/43/62079.html

              http://www.4arts.it/2013/07/25/ugo-desposito-la-corazzata-novorossiysk-affondata
              -nel-55-da-ex-della-xa-mas /

              PS Your minuses didn't even upset me guys laughing I'm too old for this.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 August 2014 09: 23
                +1
                Quote: Vasek
                http://lenta.ru/news/2013/08/21/sink/

                Read your link carefully :) Hugo dEsposito did NOT take part in the attack, although he was a combat swimmer.
                Quote: Vasek
                http://secrethistory.su/245-gibel-linkora.html

                Mikhail Lander from Odessa writes here that he allegedly spoke with a saboteur who took part in the action and wished to remain anonymous :))) Complete about nothing. Especially given the general level of the article, which is extremely low.
                Quote: Vasek
                http://www.itogi.ru/archive/2005/43/62079.html

                General kindergarten
                The Soviets inherited several old dreadnoughts from the Russian Empire. But the USSR never had such a powerful and modern one as "Novorossiysk".

                Taking into account that the Black Sea "Sevastopol" was, as it were, not better ...
                Nonsense about atomic shells ... And the thing is crowned
                A former Soviet naval officer who emigrated to the United States recently spoke about how the Novorossiysk was blown up. There he met with the last of the surviving performers of this action, organized, according to him, by the Italians.

                Those. an unknown American talks about an unknown Italian ...
                But the most rzhach - the author, describing what kind of super-battleship Novorossiysk was, completely forgot about a small detail - a mine was installed at the site of the Soviet battleship Sevastopol, where Novorossiysk, in general, should not have become at all. Moreover, if the Sevastopol had stopped where it usually was, the explosion would have hit it exactly in the cellars of the main caliber.
                Quote: Vasek
                PS Your minuses didn’t even upset me, laughing guys I’m too old for this.

                If they didn’t upset, they wouldn’t write like that :))) In general, I put minuses not to upset someone, but to express my attitude to what I have written. In this case, you could not provide a single link that would confirm your words. The stories of the "unknown American officer" do not look like evidence. Any sailor will tell you much more interesting things - how he drank with sharks, and how he cracked the bowsprit, how he blew the deviation and removed the scale from the clot. The job is laughing
                1. Vasek
                  Vasek 22 August 2014 17: 21
                  0
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  The stories of the "unknown American officer" do not look like evidence.

                  If it comes to that, Andrey, then all your "counterarguments" are also nothing more than stories. Even after the recent crash of the famous Boeing, the wisest commission cannot provide any concrete evidence.
                  And if there are any "proofs" and conclusions, I am sure they will be politically motivated. In the situation with "Novorossiysk" - the versions will remain versions, and everyone will have to choose the most reliable one for themselves.
                  But to declare your point of view as the only correct one is at least not serious (ie "kindergarten").
                  The links cited by me are just sources on the basis of which I made my conclusions. If you have other sources, share. All is more useful than idly idiotic. drinks
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 August 2014 10: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasek
                    If it comes to that, Andrey, then all your "counterarguments" are also nothing more than stories

                    Sorry, but I generally did not give any counterarguments :))) I just pointed out the unreliability of your confirmation :)))
    2. jovanni
      jovanni 21 August 2014 21: 41
      0
      But not a friend. There is nothing to rejoice about, but it’s also not worth it to pour tears. These are their problems. Our pilots also helped a lot to put out fires.
  6. Deadmen
    Deadmen 21 August 2014 18: 23
    +2
    technology. Anything happens. The intensity of using complex technology also affects the number of incidents.
  7. ddmm09
    ddmm09 21 August 2014 18: 25
    +6
    It’s bad when people die. The Italians are not our enemies (but competitors), condolences to the families of the victims.
  8. rugor
    rugor 21 August 2014 18: 27
    0
    Personally, I was not upset, the military of a potential enemy died, if there was any kind of kneading it was unlikely that they would have to fight side by side, but it might be necessary to watch each other through the scope.
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 21 August 2014 19: 02
      +3
      Quote: rugor
      but to observe each other through the sight

      Now you can with those who speak Russian and Ukrainian. Remember that in Italy there was the largest number of partisan detachments, consisting exclusively of Russians, to whom the Italian participants in the resistance organized shoots from concentration camps. It was Poletaev who was awarded the highest award of Italy, and note the seventh in a row awarded this award.
    2. k174oun7
      k174oun7 21 August 2014 19: 16
      0
      "... among them is the 31-year-old Maryangela Valentini, who had extensive experience in military operations (Afghanistan, Libya)."
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 August 2014 20: 18
        +2
        Quote: k174un7
        "... among them is the 31-year-old Maryangela Valentini, who had extensive experience in military operations (Afghanistan, Libya)."

        Listen, IC! She was a soldier and fulfilled her duty, ours also fought in Afghanistan.
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 August 2014 20: 14
      +1
      Quote: rugor
      Personally, I was not upset; the military died

      The gloating is already a demonic affair. Only demons can rejoice in the fall and death of man. (Luke 15: 10).
  9. MSA
    MSA 21 August 2014 18: 28
    +2
    We must be careful.
  10. mig31
    mig31 21 August 2014 18: 29
    +4
    Unfortunately, not without flight accidents, as in any country with its own Air Force, the work is so dangerous ....
  11. cucun
    cucun 21 August 2014 18: 32
    +2
    We must ask the DNR militia not to go that far ...
  12. gunter_laux
    gunter_laux 21 August 2014 18: 32
    +3
    Sorry for the pilots, but fate is evident. And to consider all the "potential" through the scopes markers - I think it's not very correct.
  13. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 21 August 2014 18: 33
    +5
    I was in Italy, I liked people, big children, the complete absence of aggression even in everyday misunderstandings. The temperature is yes, but there is no anger even. It is a pity the pilots, but this is their job. crying
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 21 August 2014 18: 42
      0
      You probably know nothing about the death of the battleship "Novorossiysk"
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 August 2014 20: 19
      0
      Quote: Major Yurik
      I was in Italy, I really liked the people

      And my wife and I are going in a week!
  14. Waroc
    Waroc 21 August 2014 18: 39
    -2
    It is not clear ... The Italians are not our enemies ???

    Italy is a member (well, I don’t know if it is a member ...) NATO - NATO is imprisoned against anyone ???
    Against whom do these pilots fight if something happens ... Or does someone think that they will rise in defense of Russia ... They will protect us from the army ... USA ... NATO ... ??? Or will they be in the composition of the forces of these same NATO to kill us ... ???

    Let them die in peacetime, and more - then in case of war we will have less work. There will be less work for us, but this is not the main thing - there will be fewer victims in our ranks, including among the civilian population - these near and dear ones will not be killed !!!

    It is necessary to feel sorry for our own people, and enemies (after all the recent actions of Western countries - say that they are not our enemies) - we must hate and destroy.

    And we will regret them later - as Germans after 9 on May 1945 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    PS: Come on, pitiful ones, let's open the history books and see on whose side these peaceful and "not our enemies" entered the war in 1941 ...

    PPS: Listen - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq5PnehN7CA
    1. AlexAl
      AlexAl 21 August 2014 18: 57
      0
      I put a plus and here's why: "experienced in military operations (Afghanistan, Libya)". When they struck these states, they had no pity, why pity them now? Everyone will get what they deserve.
      1. fedorovith
        fedorovith 22 August 2014 00: 46
        0
        The fact is that it was people who obeyed the order, that’s it, but the rest is condolences, a pilot lifestyle ... and they too
        1. AlexAl
          AlexAl 22 August 2014 08: 32
          0
          Then the pilots of Ukraine (I believe that there is no longer such a state state after the revolution there), who attacked the peaceful cities of the southeast, also obeyed the junta’s order, which they hunt for, to hang eggs or a peaceful resident of the southeast, which is different from civilian of Libya, Syria, Iraq. So they are there or not, but they got what they deserved NATO.
    2. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 21 August 2014 19: 12
      +1
      Quote: Waroc
      Italy is a member (well, I don’t know if ...) NATO

      Participation in NATO does not mean compulsory participation in hostilities. It was not the desire of European countries to fight in Syria was the first step to retreat, in the subsequent participation in the Syrian issue of Russia made a change in the plans of the United States. NATO members are simply obliged to arm themselves with the same types of weapons as in NATO and deploy troops of NATO countries on their territory, but no one can force them to participate in hostilities.
      1. Waroc
        Waroc 21 August 2014 19: 22
        0
        Participation in NATO means the obligation to enter a war with any country that has entered a war with a NATO member state !!! It seems to me that Russia is not going to attack Italy, just like Syria ... But what can you say about the United States, the provocateur of Poland, the prostituted Baltic republics - if they don't even attack under a far-fetched pretext (not enough strength), but simply provoke any armed conflict with Russia, and here comes the "obligation" - on whose side will "not hostile to us" Italy and its Air Force ???????

        The gloating is bad, but - So be it!
  15. Karasik
    Karasik 21 August 2014 18: 40
    +5
    Quote: fly fishing
    Bright memory to pilots. Italy is not our enemy, do not be like maydaunov.

    To sink to the level of "maydauns", jumping for joy when potential opponents perished by unfortunate coincidence of circumstances, means to stop respecting oneself. We are not animals. We are merciful, although if you put pressure on us, then out of the feeling of that very mercy we will sweep away everything in our path! This is our strength, so they are afraid of us.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 21 August 2014 18: 51
      +6
      In Mariupol, a veteran of the 3rd ranger battalion was shot from PTRS.

      According to the intelligence of the militias, a training center for recruits from the armed groups of Ukrainian nationalists was organized near Mariupol
      The instructors in it are the repeatedly fired militants, who were lucky enough to heroically carry off their legs from various boilers. However, NATO veterans who passed Iraq and Afghanistan act as senior instructors, and some even remember the famous October rout of the Rangers in Mogadishu. One of those rangers who survived the events of October 3-4, 1993 in Mogadishu, still caught his bullet. The bullet turned out to be one that does not leave a chance of survival - a 64-gram 14,5-mm bullet fired from the PTRS, adapted by the militia for sniper shooting.
      But this is why I will not grieve.
  16. Karasik
    Karasik 21 August 2014 18: 50
    +4
    Quote: Waroc
    It is not clear ... The Italians are not our enemies ???

    Italy is a member (well, I don’t know if it is a member ...) NATO - NATO is imprisoned against anyone ???
    Against whom do these pilots fight if something happens ... Or does someone think that they will rise in defense of Russia ... They will protect us from the army ... USA ... NATO ... ??? Or will they be in the composition of the forces of these same NATO to kill us ... ???

    Let them die in peacetime, and more - then in case of war we will have less work. There will be less work for us, but this is not the main thing - there will be fewer victims in our ranks, including among the civilian population - these near and dear ones will not be killed !!!

    It is necessary to feel sorry for our own people, and enemies (after all the recent actions of Western countries - say that they are not our enemies) - we must hate and destroy.

    And we will regret them later - as Germans after 9 on May 1945 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Dear Andrey Viktorovich! Your thoughts are logical and understandable. However, do not compare the joy of defeating the enemy in battle and the gloating over the death of the enemy due to an unfortunate set of circumstances. The first one we had, is and will be, and the second is simply not about us!
    1. Waroc
      Waroc 21 August 2014 19: 02
      0
      Your point of view is understandable and acceptable to me as well, but, excuse me - they are enemies and pity, and in any situation, I don’t intend to, I subscribe to my comment 100 times and will not change a single word. And for my part there is no gloating, although ... there is no lying - there is, although it does not overcome. satisfaction prevails from the fact that by 4 enemies we have less !!!

      Or do you think they straightened us all there when it was hard for us, when we had grief: Chechnya, Kursk, what is happening in Ukraine now ... Something is not visible to Italian humanitarian aid to residents of southeast Ukraine (still Ukraine) ), you can’t see, even, just words of support to these same residents of New Russia ... And you can see and hear only their jackals barking towards Russia .............

      I hope I answered your comment !!!

      And victories in battle are achieved, including by their victims - call me an evil scoundrel, but if there is even a fraction of the probability that these Italian "innocent and friendly to us" military pilots will not be able to rise into the sky in order to kill Russians ( and in the light of recent events ...) - then let me be a hundredfold a scoundrel, if only we had at least one funeral less !!!!!!!
  17. sub307
    sub307 21 August 2014 18: 58
    +2
    "Usual story" about pilots ....
  18. Waroc
    Waroc 21 August 2014 19: 14
    -1
    Karasik, I put you a minus (I won’t be offended by yours either), why - I explained, just like you.
  19. propolsky
    propolsky 21 August 2014 20: 05
    0
    It happens that everyone is alive and thank God!
  20. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 21 August 2014 20: 10
    +2
    Quote: andrei332809
    what to find out then? gouging it and in Italy gouging
    no luck to them .. maybe not gouging but saving on training and worn-out machines .. it is nightmare of lack of money all the time .. what
  21. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 21 August 2014 20: 15
    0
    Quote: novobranets
    In Mariupol, a veteran of the 3rd ranger battalion was shot from PTRS.

    According to the intelligence of the militias, a training center for recruits from the armed groups of Ukrainian nationalists was organized near Mariupol
    The instructors in it are the repeatedly fired militants, who were lucky enough to heroically carry off their legs from various boilers. However, NATO veterans who passed Iraq and Afghanistan act as senior instructors, and some even remember the famous October rout of the Rangers in Mogadishu. One of those rangers who survived the events of October 3-4, 1993 in Mogadishu, still caught his bullet. The bullet turned out to be one that does not leave a chance of survival - a 64-gram 14,5-mm bullet fired from the PTRS, adapted by the militia for sniper shooting.
    But this is why I will not grieve.

    minus one .. he was lucky - he died quickly .. laughing
  22. silver169
    silver169 21 August 2014 20: 30
    0
    It's just that Tornadoes are outdated long ago, and accordingly, their accident rate has increased.
  23. Pro100Igor
    Pro100Igor 21 August 2014 20: 42
    0
    In Italy, find out the reasons for the collision in the air of two military aircraft "Tornado"
    Two deer horns caught on
  24. Pro100Igor
    Pro100Igor 21 August 2014 20: 47
    +4
    Quote: sub307
    "Usual story" about pilots ....

    As a professional pilot, I can assure you that there are no "ordinary stories" in the sky. Either not professionalism, or the usual carelessness. With heaven it is necessary for YOU, regardless of position and rank. The sky does not forgive mistakes!
  25. INF
    INF 21 August 2014 20: 48
    0
    Hands need to be straightened ....
  26. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 21 August 2014 20: 54
    +1
    EVERYTHING HAPPENS! I express my condolences to my relatives and friends.
  27. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 21 August 2014 21: 42
    -2
    Ltd! Ascoli Piceno! Marche! Rosso Conero !!! Great wine ... I am a "big admirer" of Italian wines! It's just great! BELISSIMO !!! Why, planes are flying there, wondering how to strike at Russia !? Italians !!! Ay !!! I love you !!! What are you ... want to spread rot on us? Bloody "boys" in the eyes? Come to your senses !!! You are a cultured nation !!! Unlike all the Britons there ... Well, you disappointed ... You, stop it !!! ... I still love you ...
  28. doctor
    doctor 21 August 2014 21: 58
    0
    In SGA, this happens all the time. Only they shhhh. And so they are falling.
  29. samoletil18
    samoletil18 21 August 2014 23: 32
    0
    In each fighter there were 2 people (navigator and pilot), among them the 31-year-old Marianjela Valentini, who had extensive experience in military operations (Afghanistan, Libya
    God did not forgive.
  30. Barakuda
    Barakuda 21 August 2014 23: 35
    0
    See Zadornov rights - Dumb! I'm not a pilot, taught to shoot.
  31. devastator
    devastator 22 August 2014 00: 46
    +1
    Quote: Vasek
    And also the battleship "Novorossiysk" was sunk in 1955, killing 614 Soviet sailors.
    In peacetime!

    Aha
    Personally, Prince Valerio Borghese attached a mine to the bottom!
    And sailed to Novorossiysk in scuba gear from the Bosphorus itself.
    The version is unrealistic, although I would like to write off the tantrums of our own sailors for the machinations of an insidious and powerful enemy.
  32. ohotnik101
    ohotnik101 22 August 2014 03: 51
    0
    our fate on the scales - somewhere in the sky ...