North Korea and China, military alliance?

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North Korea and China, military alliance?The current aggravation of the situation on the Korean Peninsula has caused heated debates on whether China will provide military support to North Korea in the event of the outbreak of hostilities? In the light of the fiftieth anniversary of the signing of a peace treaty between the states, the topic of China’s automatic entry into the opposition on the side of North Korea, which was recently considered a definitive thing of the past, has once again become topical. This regrettable and disturbing circumstance is a vivid example of how problematic the current political situation on and around the Korean Peninsula has become.

This is not only the problem of North and South Korea. On Saturday, July 9, Japan, Australia and the United States began conducting joint military exercises in the waters north-west of Borneo near which the Spratly Islands (Nansha) are located, causing a dispute between China and the neighboring states of Southeast Asia. In addition, the United States has planned to hold joint exercises in the East China and South China Seas with Taiwan, the Philippines and Vietnam. In June, during the Summit of the Ministers of Defense and Foreign Affairs of Japan and the USA (in 2011 + 2 format), the parties approved that they should strengthen the current tripartite alliances involving India, Australia and South Korea, in which they both . This decision has a clear focus against China. Naturally, the Chinese government was dissatisfied with it, and the regional arms race is beginning to gain momentum with a new force.

Today, China points to the existence of a Treaty on Mutual Assistance and Cooperation concluded between him and North Korea in 1961, and in particular to its second article, which states: “In the event that one of the parties to the Treaty is subjected to armed aggression by any state or therefore, the other party to the Treaty will immediately provide it with the necessary military and other assistance with all the means at its disposal. ”

With the end of the Cold War, the political situation on the Korean Peninsula changed, and Seoul established close diplomatic relations with Beijing, many have forgotten the above provision of the treaty, considering it no more than a dead letter. However, given the new rise in tensions between North and South Korea, circumstances have changed dramatically. In 2010, the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China even specially emphasized that it is not planned to cancel or change this article.

If you look at what is happening in the region from a broad perspective, inter-Korean friction will turn out to be nothing more than a by-product of the changes occurring in Asia, and especially in one of their driving forces. The current political situation is rigorously moving toward a military confrontation between the northern bloc, headed by China, and the southern bloc led by the United States. If South Korea takes active steps to participate in the activities of the southern bloc, this will undoubtedly lead to closer rapprochement between Pyongyang and Beijing. In this light, the main significance of the renewed heated debate about China’s automatic and undoubted military intervention in support of North Korea should be considered.

At the same time, many experts argue that the current escalation of the confrontation on the Korean Peninsula is not a war between two Koreas, but a war of the interests of the United States and China. China’s current development has reached unprecedented proportions, and this applies to all sectors of the economy, both civilian and military, and this can not but scare the United States who are used to dominating everything and everywhere.
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    1. 0
      19 July 2011 12: 47
      East is a delicate matter.!!!
    2. Ivan35
      +1
      19 July 2011 14: 54
      Let them deal with each other and leave us alone
    3. Superduck
      +1
      19 July 2011 14: 58
      Recently, by the way, I read that Vietnam provided India with 2 good ports for basing air defense / missile destroyers. The Chinese come out of bile, Vietnam again ordered the Su-30 for 50 pieces, this is a huge force. In short, the region is heating up.
    4. Ivan35
      +1
      19 July 2011 15: 15
      I am sympathetic to Vietnam - a former ally. But I hope that they with the Indians, Taiwan and Pindos will occupy and entertain the Chinese for the next 10-20 years. I, as living with them on the border, want this our border to remain the border of friendship.
    5. 0
      19 July 2011 16: 32
      Superduck, --- divide and conquer, do I understand correctly?
      1. Superduck
        +2
        19 July 2011 16: 51
        Quote: datur
        SuperDuck, --- divide and conquer, do I understand correctly?

        Well, the ideal situation for Russia is just that. But if there isn’t enough tricks, then it’s better not to stick out at all, I think it will.
    6. Ivan35
      +2
      19 July 2011 17: 45
      I agree with SuperDuck - we cannot yet compete with them and resist - and it is better to sit on the sidelines and make money selling weapons. In the meantime, we will grow by Belarusians and Kazakhs. Let's rise with them. But this is not the principle of "divide and rule" - we are still far from "rule" - but we will save the border and the territory. And if we talk about the interests of Russia in the Far East - then they are in this.
      1. Superduck
        +2
        19 July 2011 17: 58
        Quote: Ivan35
        And if we talk about the interests of Russia in the Far East, then they are in this.

        Absolutely.
    7. 0
      19 July 2011 19: 42
      The United States is simply reinsured for itself, however, really, there are no words about Russia, I think that if a local military conflict suddenly occurs on the Russian border with China, no one will help us ... although the United States understands that if they lose Russia, China will become stronger ..
      1. Superduck
        0
        20 July 2011 11: 06
        I am inclined to believe (and not only me) that China has so far taken a different head (Taiwan, North Korea, Vietnam, Tibet). If the capture of Primorye and the Altai Territory represented strategic advantages for him, I would have thought it over, but these territories are of little value to China in reality, except as a springboard further, but then where? To Tyumen on a sleigh? The only strategic advantage of the seizure of the coastal area is to drive Russia out of the Pacific, and it is more profitable than the Japanese and the USA to China, and what is beneficial to them is hardly beneficial to China. In Primorye and southern Siberia there are no serious strategic natural resources and vast fertile lands, no serious industry (except for an aircraft factory in Komsomolsk). As soon as China frees up forces to confront Russia, it will be Central Asia, and it is not for nothing that the Kazakhs decided to sharply be friends with Russia to their full height, simple and true calculation, these are Eastern people. Tajiks and Kyrgyz think doomed. Therefore, I believe that Russia has 15-20 years before the redistribution of peace in this region, but only on condition that it does not show weakness, one small Gorbachev can finish Russia off. I always said that the main enemy of Russia is itself.
        1. Ivan35
          +2
          20 July 2011 11: 38
          I quote - "And it was not for nothing that the Kazakhs decided to sharply make friends with Russia in full growth"

          On the one hand, I agree - the threat of China pushes them towards Russia, but on the other hand, they did not "decide abruptly" - they voluntarily joined 300 years ago, helped advance Russia further south (well, they have different Chokans Valikhanovs, etc.) And they did not leave the USSR - they just all left and they were left alone. Most of whom I also know by spirit are Soviet people brought up in Russian culture - perhaps the kinship of culture and language for them is even more important than the threat of China. I just live here and know them. And then almost half of them are Russians - and they are for unification anyway - and without the Chinese threat.

          And yet - I completely subscribe to my last thought - I’m afraid not to shake the Pindos and the Chinese - but the new Gorbachev - the second such Russia can not stand. What then will happen to all of us! And worst of all will be Russian! I look at Medvedev with great suspicion - isn't he?
          1. Superduck
            +3
            20 July 2011 12: 42
            I am not inclined to idealize the Kazakhs and Eastern people in general, but since you live there, your opinion is definitely authoritative for me.
          2. Gur
            -3
            20 July 2011 13: 15
            Where does your optimism about Kazakhstan come from ?? Yes, Kazakhstan, in particular, Nazarbayev, did not participate in the collapse of the USSR in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, he simply was not even invited there .. in his recollections, he was generally against the collapse. About the fact that Kazakhs voluntarily joined Russia are remembered only by Russians .. in other matters, with a short memory, the problem is not only among Kazakhs (take the history textbook "ATAMURA" and read how it was in their mind) About those brought up on Russian culture and kinship .. maybe there are such individuals but very few of them. For the most part, Kazakhs are proud of their independence. In contrast to Russia, in Kazakhstan, the upbringing of national pride is in full swing, among other things, like Islamization, so that the Kazakhs will, no worse than the Ukrainians, rest against their independence. Moreover, Kazakhstan has already formed a layer of its princelings and it is not very profitable for them to give up their positions. You also lied about half of the Russians. If we talk about Almaty, the ratio is 1: 3 (if not more) about the surroundings, so generally keep quiet .. maybe you and Ust Kamana ..? so before there were practically no Kazakhs at all, now after the events in which Zhirinovsky participated .. to disconnect the mountainous Altai and Ustkaman in favor of Russia, this territory is dominated by the Kazakhs almost forcibly .. (mostly by the Uralmans) Kazakhstan's entry into the Customs Union has already reverberated. So far, only a peaceful march does not agree. Since the prices for food and fuel have risen 2 times since spring .. with a salary lower than in Russia (and in Russia, unlike Kazakhstan, the state still covers part of the housing and communal services costs) So this union is more needed by Russia than Kazakhstan. Kazakhs for the most part live according to the principle after us, even a flood. (although I can say the same about the Russians) Everything that can be ruined is spread out, ruined ..
            1. Superduck
              -2
              20 July 2011 13: 56
              The people who served in Kazakhstan told me that it’s not so bad, let’s say, I concluded that Kazakhs from the Eastern Slavs are very different in terms of mentality, it’s not so bad, they just are different. Nazarbayev is an old fox in general, an old school, except for him there was no one left from that guard, he certainly isn’t such a misunderstanding as Yushchenko or Turkmenbashi, but the lad on his mind doesn’t let anyone blow himself up for free.
            2. Ivan35
              +2
              20 July 2011 18: 20
              About half of the Russian population I agree - I was mistaken (but did not lie - there was no such plan) - less than half. I won’t argue about the rest, there are problems — but what did you want — they left the republic and think it is being mothballed as it was in the USSR?
              Anyway, here the situation is incomparably better than in Central Asia or the Caucasus or the Baltic states.
              But the main thing is that so far the whole leadership of this republic and the people are striving for integration - Russia should only support this.
              You do not think that we do not need Kazakhstan?
            3. Marat
              +2
              20 July 2011 21: 35
              I do not argue GUR, just give my opinion on top
              After perestroika, many textbooks gave a "roll" (often under Yusaid grants) (and not only here but also in Russia) - and so I remember about the annexation and all my relatives and friends, and I am sure the majority of Kazakhs
              Every Kazakh knows and remembers our enlightener Abai - and the fact that Abai bequeathed to join the Russian culture - so that this is a mass phenomenon - without exception.

              Nat pride has always been. But it does not contradict the revival of the empire.
              Islamization is exaggerated - Kazakhs are not "Eastern" people - they are steppe people - nomads by origin. There is a gap in mentality between us and Central Asia (not always in favor of the Kazakhs - for example, Kazakhs are more open, simple-minded, but also lazier than their hardworking southern neighbors)
              According to population statistics I agree - less than half of Russians
              It’s impossible to forcibly settle - maybe they give some money to start for oralmans

              Yes. there is a negative that car taxes have also increased other goods, which protect Russian and Belarusian manufacturers to the detriment of our consumers. But most are sure that there will be more benefits - and the TS is only the first step - next year the start of the CES - and this is actually as one country for all of us - certainly not the USSR, but something

              I quote - "Kazakhs for the most part live according to the principle after us even a flood" I completely agree - we are stupid like the Russians wink - and ruined and plundered everything as in Russia

              Friends! Even if they prove to me here on the forum that it is necessary to secede again (to fall apart, etc.), that in fact we all do not "love" each other, Kazakh pseudo-patriots will remind about the suffering of Kazakhs in collectivization, Russian pseudo-patriots will declare that a union is unnecessary and that Russia we have to close ourselves in the "borders" of some regions - but the train has already left - and we have already stepped into the carriage. And I'm glad about it
          3. svvaulsh
            +2
            20 July 2011 15: 08
            In the early 90's, I served in Sary-Shagan. So some Kazakhs were aggressive, shouting that they would live fine without us, and in general they would soon be cutting all the Russians. Although the bulk are friendly, especially in big cities. There is only one conclusion: the more cultured and educated a person, the less xenophobic sentiments.
        2. 0
          20 July 2011 15: 25
          Superduck,
          I have always said that the main enemy of Russia - she herself .--- Actually, this applies to any state and person, and not only to RUSSIA.
          1. Superduck
            0
            20 July 2011 15: 47
            Maybe you are right..
    8. +2
      19 July 2011 20: 38
      Clashes in this region are inevitable. China is developing very quickly, someone will have to squeeze.
      China looks like an elephant in a china shop, it will break plates unambiguously, but whose plates will be the first?
    9. mitrich
      -2
      20 July 2011 14: 24
      Gur
      I would like to correct you a little. Russia still did not agree to transfer the rights to the extraction, processing and transportation of hydrocarbons and other natural resources to foreigners (read, the West), did not allow the West to "ride the pipe." That is why foreigners will "enter" about the energy security of Europe and the rest of the world. There were two exceptions: TNK-BP and Sakhalin-2, but, as I understand the situation, Russia very competently "divorced" Westerners there, allowing them to make large investments in these projects, and then kicked them in the ass. In addition, there are a number of industries in Russia where access for foreigners is either completely prohibited or very severely restricted. An example is the military-industrial complex and the banking sector.
      From the moment of gaining independence, Kazakhstan took a different path, having actually put its economy in colonial dependence on foreign capital, including Russian. I won’t be surprised if in the republic there are no longer unitary state funds. enterprises (in our opinion, FSUEs).
      Further, the level of corruption of the Kazakh national "elite" is such that China does not need to march on Astana, especially since Russia will not allow them (have you heard about the CSTO?). They have chosen a simpler way - they are buying up shares of the Kazakhstani industrial sector in blocks, trying to tie the economy over to themselves. And not without success. The level of the Chinese presence in Kazakhstan is very high, I think you will not deny that the Kazakh Russians and Kazakhs oriented towards Russia cannot like it.
      About Nazarbayev. A typical oriental autocrat, equally harmoniously seen both in the role of the 1st secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan, and in the role of its president. He will betray and will not blink an eye, under unfavorable circumstances the accounts in Switzerland and the house in London, I think, are already waiting for him. He was not in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, because he did not like the invitation form (the three gathered, and only then they remembered about Nursultan).
      It positions itself both as a friend of Russia and as a friend of China. He says about Russian-Kazakh relations that they should be like the United States and Canada, however, he probably says the same thing in Beijing.
      So for now, Russia has only its army and navy in the allies. Everything else is interests, including both China and the Kazakh neighbor.
    10. Ivan35
      +1
      20 July 2011 18: 27
      Well, I don’t know what Nazarbayev had in mind for sure - he probably should be diplomatic with the Chinese - but he doesn’t consist of China in the CSTO and he doesn’t have a common air defense system with them, and he doesn’t enter the TS and CES

      But I will definitely say about ordinary Kazakhs - they are afraid of China and do not like it. And the Muslim south does not attract them. Their historical choice with Russia is both 300 years ago and now. I think every Russian patriot should only support such a choice
      Maybe someone from the Kazakhs speaks out - who is on the forum?
      1. Superduck
        +2
        20 July 2011 18: 43
        Discrimination of ethnic Kazakhs in access to the Internet is felt, it is necessary to drop a letter to the State Department wink ETOGES and the face-to-face (added: Freud described Facebook of course) revolution you won’t be able to
        1. Marat
          +3
          20 July 2011 21: 03
          Greetings, SuperDuck! Do not write to the State Department - I have access smile

          Of course I will not say for all the Kazakhs, but I will say for my relatives and friends with whom I communicate: Ivan is right35 - we are all afraid of China and do not love him. And we look carefully at the southern peoples. And about the voluntary accession to Russia, everyone remembers and knows. We consider Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians (in general they are all Russian to us) brothers.
          Integration is attractive for us now not for security reasons (right now China or Wahhabis will not attack) but more for economic and cultural reasons (at the same time, along with Russian culture in Russia there are cultures of peoples very close to Kazakhs - Tatars and Bashkirs, our ancestors Tuvans, many Dagestan peoples speak a language strikingly similar to ours) I am sure that most Kazakhs think as well and support the course towards an alliance with Russia (and our Russians, as I see too). Well, the government (with all its drawbacks) is precisely holding onto this course.
          In general, perestroika, in my opinion, did 2 bad things - this is the collapse of the union and the seizure of the public domain by the oligarchs. So far, it has not been possible to cope with the oligarchs and kickbacks either in Russia or in Kazakhstan - but I am glad that we are restoring at least most of the union.
          1. Superduck
            +3
            21 July 2011 10: 32
            The Turkic-speaking peoples include the half of Eurasia: Yakuts, Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, Tuvans, Turks, Azerbaijanis, Turkmens, Gagauz, Chuvash, Tatars, and a huge bunch of smaller and bigger nations. In Russian and Ukrainian especially Türkic words tuyeva khucha. By the way, if you touch Turkey, then there are the Turkmens, the Kyrgyz, who do almost all the low-paying work, because they also understand the Turks normally and know Russian well. There are very few ethnic Turks in tourism. Damn super ethnos!
            1. Ivan35
              +2
              21 July 2011 10: 58
              Yes, you are right - all these peoples are Türkic-speaking - there is even a Turksoi organization which includes Kazakhstan Turkey Azerbaijan, etc.

              But how much I spoke with the Kazakhs - they don’t have a special feeling of kinship with the Azerbaijanis or Turks, and it’s cool to the Uzbeks - they are closer with the Tatars, Altaians, Bashkirs — even they relate to the Mongols with their own - that is, linguistic kinship is not the main thing (they with Turks, it seems to me like Russians with Poles - it seems that the language is close and there is no kinship) - the general image of life and history are more important. I apologize if I'm wrong - maybe Marat will correct
    11. +3
      21 July 2011 11: 18
      Ivan35 Today, 10:58
      like reaches for like ... fellow

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