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General Ruban on the militants in the east of Ukraine: There are people with whom we stood on the Maidan

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General Ruban on the militants in the east of Ukraine: There are people with whom we stood on the Maidan

Colonel-General Volodymyr Ruban has been engaged in the release of people captured in eastern Ukraine for more than three months. He recently founded a special center where all those close to you could be taken hostage.

For many, Ruban has already become a legend. He is the only professional negotiator in Ukraine who, they say, is admired by Bes himself - Gorlovsky militant commander of the DPR Igor Bezler. It was Ruban who was able to agree on the improvement of conditions of detention, and then pull people out of 17 captivity - the military from the 72 and 25 brigades and several civilians, including Vasily Budik, whom Bezler “shot” in May.

General Ruban rarely smiles. He looks like a man who has nerves of steel and impeccable exposure. It can not be split. It seems that he has a plan built many steps ahead in his head, and his every answer is only the tip of the iceberg.

The correspondent of "Ukrainska Pravda" talked with the general about what is happening with the detainees in captivity, the humanity of the ransom, and about who is fighting in the east of Ukraine.

- How many people have you already freed?

- More than a hundred. We stopped counting after the hundredth.

- And how many calls do you get per day from people who are looking for missing?

- About three hundred.

- Do you answer them yourself?

- No, we have a department where specialists answer them. Previously, the officer corps was engaged in the release of hostages - ten people who were accumulating information - but there was no consistency.

- What is your role in this structure now? I know that you are the only professional negotiator, and everything rests on you. With you, in fact, it all started. How will it work now?

- It will work the same way. I head this center.

- But everything keeps on your authority? ..

- There is no other way there, behind the front line. Everything really rests on human authority. If a person keeps his word, they work with him. If it does not, they show mistrust.

- Those people who work with you in the center - do they trust them there? Do they work autonomously?

- Not. Every negotiations I spend personally. There is a keyword-password, after which it is believed that we shook hands - and now the work begins. This is the word officer. If I give the word officer, then we have already agreed. That side knows that I and the officers will do everything possible to keep their word. We do so regardless of the circumstances. We cannot break the word.

- This is a huge amount of work. And lately, there have been more prisoners ...

- Yes, much more. But now the presidential administration and the president personally understand the need for this work, both the Security Service and the Ministry of Defense. They saw that it was possible to work this way. They saw the benefits of this work.

- And before they did not see this benefit?

- Not aware until the end. It was necessary for some time. This is still the most new people. New Minister of Defense, new AP, new president.

- Nevertheless, the problem appeared in March in the Crimea. Then all this work had to be done by volunteers and journalists. We drove, tried to rescue people. It was not easy, because we have no training, and we probably did something wrong. At that time there really wasn’t one person who could play this role.

- We had a department in the Academy of the SBU, which prepared negotiators. I do not know where they are. Nobody knows. The police have ... (corrects himself - author) should be - a special department for working with hostages and negotiations in difficult situations. Probably it was not necessary, and there are no these specialists.

- That is, such people were prepared, but so far there is no such structure?

“It may be, but it hides well.”

- And the results of the work, we also do not see.

- Yes, because we cannot find them. But now the good result is that both sides understood that they should be released. Along the way, this solves many problems: such as being held captive.

When people exchange, I look at them. I bring people from this side, and we critically look at how prisoners are held. We have agreed to the fact that the prisoners will be treated satisfactorily.

It began with the fact that their barefoot will not transmit that they will give some kind of shoes. Then we looked at the conditions of detention, who was fed, who was not. Agreed: they must be fed. And then - treatment. For prisoners who need medical treatment, both parties are given the necessary assistance.

In Lugansk, it was this: in order to save an officer’s arm, doctors recommended that he be hospitalized immediately at the hospital. He started gangrene, he needed a complicated medical intervention. I did not have time to come from Kiev to urgently deliver it, and he was transported to Russia. Saved the life of man, the captive.

- And then he was returned?

- He has not been returned yet. There is a complex medical intervention, long. I do not know what his fate will be, whether they will be returned or not, but the main thing is that the prisoners are not shot - they are being prepared for exchange.

- There are different types of prisoners. There are civilian prisoners, there are military. There are various reasons for taking hostage. With many just knock out money. How do you work with gangs that take people for profit, who do not need an exchange?

- You need to look for money and buy these people.

“But according to international principles, this is not entirely humane, because with this money they buy weaponwho continue to kill people ...

- Here we must take advantage of the experience of Israel. Israel does not negotiate with terrorists, and in such situations people are not redeemed for money. They boasted about it for quite a long time. Now they understood the fallacy of this tactic and set up a center for negotiators where they consider different situations for the release of prisoners, including a ransom for money. This option should be safety.

If, on the part of those who hold, these are positional tenders — they declare that they will give people only for money — then it is necessary to contact them and work with money.

But if they obey at least somehow the general leadership of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics, then in such cases I find these prisoners, enter into tenders, inform the leadership - and they give up these prisoners themselves, changing them, destroying the scheme of selling people.

We initially agreed that we do not redeem people for money and do not trade. We have such an opportunity.

- And what is the benefit of the leadership of the DNI and the LC?

- They thus show care for their people who were captured or kept in prisons - just as it is beneficial to the president. He shows care about his citizens. It is right. Voters entrusted it to him, they are in captivity, and he must pull them out.

The Luhansk and Donetsk sides do the same with their colleagues. They generally have the idea of ​​all their release. This is normal, this is human.

- Is it possible?

- Yes it is possible.

- That is the ultimate goal - to exchange all?

- This is a maximum idea. My job is to free people from all sides.

"Combineers went from work, they were mistaken for intelligence officers, they were shot at each knee"

- Explain to me what the difference and difficulty in the release of prisoners of war and civilians. As I understand it, with civilians more difficult?

- There is not much difference. Just at one time there were more civilian activists among the prisoners. It is easier with the military, because there are no questions to the military, you go and you release.

If a civil prisoner, I need to double-check whether it is worth freeing this person, or changing him, or need to persuade the side, so that he is simply released.

Recently, the spouse of one of the prisoners called, said that three combiners were leaving work in the evening through a checkpoint, they were mistaken for intelligence officers and began to be questioned. Shoot each knee. And in captivity with a shot through the knee, many agree to be scouts. Even the locals.

- Yes, even without shot knees ...

- Yes, even without a shot. In general, it turned out that they were just combiners after all, and were released. Such cases occur on both sides. This not normal. It must stop.

- As for the ideological people who are detained in the DNI and the LC? Is it harder to work with them? Civic activist who stands for a united Ukraine, harder to pull out than a combiner?

- More difficult. It is subject to exchange. If he is just a volunteer who brought food, it is easier. If I brought body armor, literature, I traveled with a weapon myself, then it is more difficult.

- There is one such subtle point: when a person disappears, how should the media and bloggers behave so as not to harm? Many have already advised that if you betray history strong publicity, it complicates the work.

- Differently. Yes, it happens that this complicates the work of both the negotiator and the prisoner himself. Information should be given dosed, without any inaccuracies.

For example, they write that they took away the activist of the Right Sector - and the guy does not know what the Right Sector is, well, he had a black and red flag, but that does not mean that he is an activist. For that side, it will be an argument to keep him longer, torture harder.

Well, the prisoner must behave carefully. I had a case when the person who came to change, was told that he was released, and asked to tell him what he had done. And he talked a lot too much. As a result, I have not been able to take him for three weeks.

“Was that their trick?”

- They did not prepare for this. Accidentally asked, and he accidentally spoke to himself. A lot of prisoners slander, create a value for themselves to survive. It seems to them that now they will be shot, and it is necessary to show some importance. They say they are spotters, for example. I know about a dozen "spotters" who are kept in Donetsk. They are not spotters, they do not know what it is.

- And how should they lead themselves?

- It's hard for me to say. In every situation in captivity let everyone behave as he sees and can.

- But you need to behave honestly?

- It is better to be honest, if you are not a military and not a professional intelligence officer.

- Two days ago, I was approached by people who reported that a blogger who allegedly was a spotter was detained in Makeyevka. His mothers said he would be shot. How to behave in such a situation?

- First, we must inform our center. We immediately contact the person who holds him, or his superiors, and discuss this problem.

No one will shoot "on Tuesday at 12 of the day." No one can set a condition to release someone from prison by Saturday evening. This is what negotiators are needed to explain the procedures for release and talk.

This is a way to strengthen your position, but you have to understand that when a commander simply changes people, this position is adopted. When he says that he will shoot a man before Tuesday, he automatically goes to the rank of a terrorist, because he threatens the life of a prisoner. It is not right.

“Do you know how many people were shot in captivity during all this time?”

- I know the approximate figure, but I will not tell it.

“Can you tell where is the most dangerous now?” Where is the most brutal torture?

- There is no such thing as "the most brutal" or "the most dangerous." We work for three months, and the conditions of detention are more or less the same everywhere.

There are rare renegades, they are always in all wars. Someone gives nerves, someone initially crazy. Someone wants to shoot the prisoners, goes with a gun. Someone wants to throw a grenade into a cell with prisoners, to get revenge, so to speak. This, as a rule, people of a low moral level, uneducated, just play up words. Or brought as a result of a mental or alcoholic state to such a desire.

"Remove the word pilot and understand that I am a fighter"

- What kind of people are you talking to? What is their character? What are they doing this for? You probably have time to fold their portrait.

- And for what the Ukrainian army captures prisoners? What kind of people in the Ukrainian army and battalions?

- That is, for you it is the same concepts?

- And for you are not the same? For you, six million Luhansk and Donetsk residents suddenly became enemies?

- No, civilians are not enemies.

- And those who walk with guns - their 15 thousands - are they enemies?

- Well, actually, yes. These are people who threaten the lives and health of peaceful people.

- The army threatens the lives and health of peaceful people. It is for this purpose created. Are the officers who graduated from military schools professional killers, or did you not know about it? Did not know? This is not a person who walks with a flag in a parade, this is a person who kills another person in a trench.

He studied for this, just as I was a fighter pilot. Beautiful word, familiar in everyday life. Remove the word pilot and understand that I am a fighter. What should i do? - exterminate.

I do not treat those people as you treat enemies. It is easy for you from this position. And I have known these people for a long time. There are officers there, there are Afghans with whom we protested against Yanukovych. There are people with whom we stood on the Maidan. On Euromaidan. But we did not call him that.

- Where is there?

- There - on the other side. Behind the ribbon. In the Lugansk and Donetsk Republics.

- That is, these people stood with you on the Maidan?

- Yes, they are now fighting with the Ukrainian army. They are from two sides.

- Why do they do it? ..

- Why did the Right Sector do it on Maidan? Or why people stood on the Maidan?

- If they were on the same Maidan, why are they now opposing the people with whom they stood hand in hand?

- Because the people who were on the Maidan were satisfied with the removal of Yanukovych - that's all. No more requirements are met. And these decided to go to the end. They are not only removed Yanukovych, they need real change. And most of the items they require are the same as those proclaimed on the Maidan.

- But it looks completely different.

- For this we need to thank the journalists and all the others who called them terrorists. And those who came up with the word "ATO" instead of the word "war."

- But Russia does not recognize this as a war ...

- Russia has to do with it?

- Do you think Russia is not involved in this conflict?

“Have you seen Russian troops there?”

- I saw the military from Russia.

- Have you seen the participation of Russian troops?

- Official - no.

- You will not see them unofficially, because they are not there. If you have seen some Russian or military person, this does not mean the participation of Russia.

- What should I call it?

- As you wish. Do you know that mercenaries are fighting on both sides?

- Yes.

- With both. And with the Ukrainian, and Luhansk and Donetsk. Well, how to call it, that Poland is at war with us, and Sweden?

There is a bad joke: "Russia is at war with America to the last Ukrainians." This is more like the truth. But this is geopolitics, and the analysis is completely different. National security experts can talk about this.

We work directly in the field and, using this knowledge and our experience, we call things by their names. If there is a supply of Russian weapons there, this is one thing. And what kind of person supplies it? Putin can ban, is another question. If there are Russian officers there, that is also another question. This is not Russia's participation.

- What should I call it?

- You were there?

- I have only been doing this for the last six months.

- And what, all Russian officers? Chechens all?

- No, not all, but the backbone. People who lead the process.

- Yes, the Lord is with you. With Ukrainian passports?

- With quite a Russian passport.

- This is called "advisors".

- Instructor.

- Back in the Soviet Union, we left for other countries as "miners to share experiences" - we were military advisers. Similarly, advised and experts from different countries, the instructor. Not because the country sends there, but because the people are asking. We are going to make a small gang with you, but we need a specialist, and we invite him. A gangster of some kind. In order for him to advise how and what to do.

- But the people who tell how and what to do are all from Russia. How can we say that this process is internal if it is controlled from the outside?

- You so want, and say so.

- No, I'm trying to figure it out.

- Understand. I told you my opinion. All issues are resolved within Ukraine. The war could have been won one and the other side eight times.

- If not ...?

- If there was a desire to win, not stretch. Fire stop and negotiate - it was possible for three months. In any situation, you can stop the fire and agree.

- Why do you think this is not happening?

- Someone is not interested in ending the war. I can agree.

- And you will do it?

- I will.

Now does not apply the law of war. In Kiev, fear of martial law and do not know what it is. Civilians who are in power are afraid of the military, because when there is martial law - civilians may not be in power, they will be led by the military. As a result, the entire infrastructure suffers, people suffer.

- Do you think that you need to impose martial law?

- If there is a war, then it is necessary to impose martial law. Journalists should not be allowed to write about war, because they do not understand what it is. Allow only professionals. There must be strict censorship about this, so as not to harm. I am against censorship, but I say that because I know.

Taxes should be collected correctly, and not in the way Yatsenyuk asks the parliament to add some tax under each law.

In war everything is very simple. There is a war, there are questions, there is a victory. There is a goal. And here it is not clear what.

- Kiev simply seeks to continue to live a peaceful life ...

- Kievans strive. Is the government really keen?

- Nobody benefits from martial law. There is no war in Western Ukraine.

- Does the apartment suffer if martial law is only in the kitchen? Is everything OK in the bedroom? This is your apartment, you have to manage your apartment, so martial law is everywhere: in the bedroom and in the kitchen.

Western Ukraine, wants, does not want - but participates in the war, sends its soldiers. I see them because I take them out of captivity, they cannot pronounce words in Russian. They are still involved.

So this is not an antiterrorist operation. This is a war.

- What war?

- New. Incomprehensible. Hybrid Almost civil.

- "Almost" - because there are "consultants"?

- There are always consultants. Almost civil, because ideologically it is almost impossible to distinguish between them. Warring parties want to live well. They want smooth roads, well-fed family. For them there is no big difference, to join Russia or the European Union, or to remain themselves.

They want to live better. All brought to poverty, that and the other side.

- But the war brings even stronger.

- War is always progress: in souls and in tomorrow. Ukraine is a rich country, it will never be poor. I think the war will end and people will become richer.

- Together with the Donbas?

- Together.

- That is, Transnistria-2 will not work there?

- Not. The infrastructure is destroyed, so it will not work.

Ukrainians are hard-working people and know how to work competently. The engineer is the coolest, and in Donetsk there is still one of the elite universities of Ukraine - the Polytechnic Institute.

- The shell has recently arrived there ...

- This is a serious question - whose projectile. There is some third party - we now call it that - which throws these shells and dumps it on one side or the other.

- What is this "third party"?

- I do not know yet, I do not own such information. We call it a third party. Bezler calls a third party, and in Donetsk they say that. They are looking for. See what kind of saboteurs.

"Mother should not have thoughtlessly vote, the next time she will vote with her heart"

- You say that people are the same on both sides. But the situation: my mother was told that they want to shoot her son. An executioner and a priest were brought to him — she was told so — and she was ready to crawl on her knees to beg the militia to send at least digging trenches to her son. It is right?

- Yes, it's right. When relatives care about loved ones who are in captivity, that's fine. So it turns out the family.

And the mother should not have thoughtlessly vote, and the next time she will vote with her heart, taking into account her experience. And the son will choose the right government.

- So this is such a way of purification, in your opinion?

- Yes. We stopped going to parents and remembering them often.

- And then the militia will be able to "choose the heart"? Will they learn to think in this way?

- Militias are exactly the same Ukrainians. They are not from another test, they have the same blood type, it is the same red. They studied in the same schools, sat at the same desk.

- But they have a slightly different position. They are in the minority.

- In which minority? How many people should be killed in order for Donbass to be considered Ukrainian? One hundred thousand? Two hundred?

- No one would ...

- That is, you need to talk. Agree. We must learn to listen. A good negotiator says little and listens a lot.

- What do you think: the Donetsk residents, who are used to passively reacting to politics and life, will learn something?

- Of course. They have already learned. We have all learned. After Maidan, Ukraine will not be the same, and even more so after this war. We are all different now.

Interviewed by Ekaterina SERGATSKOVA, especially for UE

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  1. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 21 August 2014 06: 56
    +3
    A liar Russian military Chechens are not there and the prisoners are exchanged for the half-dead, they are given away, they know that the cunning people will not survive the dill
    1. Baikal
      Baikal 21 August 2014 07: 01
      +17
      ... need to talk. Agree. We must learn to listen. A good negotiator speaks little and listens a lot.

      Keywords, I reckon.
      The problem is that the Ukroprovodstvo dolls do not need conversations. The owner needs meat and blood ...
    2. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 21 August 2014 07: 16
      -4
      Any psychologist will say that this general, as it were, suffers from delusions of grandeur and his own superiority and omnipotence ...... A fabulous hero for dill
      1. nvv
        nvv 21 August 2014 07: 35
        +13
        If this conversation really was, this officer is worthy of respect. soldier
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 21 August 2014 16: 21
          +1
          Quote: nvv
          the officer is worthy of respect.

          But the journalist, judging by the poorly concealed background of the issues, no.
          PS Do not hear anything from Akim? If only he were alive. A normal man, albeit with his cockroaches.
      2. Stanislas
        Stanislas 21 August 2014 08: 18
        +3
        Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
        Any psychologist will say that this general, as it were, suffers from megalomania and his own superiority and omnipotence.
        "Any psychologists" can say any nonsense, even make a psychiatric diagnosis of megalomania, to which they have neither medical education nor the right, they can even do it in absentia, which even psychiatrists have no right to do. Hiding behind deranged psychologists, you are trying to simply throw mud at the sane officer. To paraphrase V. Belov, we can say: "Psychologists have gone across Russia, psychologists."
        1. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN 21 August 2014 08: 58
          -3
          So I explain .... my wife with a higher education is a medical psychologist, graduated from St. Petersburg University, did not buy a diploma ...... She works in the AIDS center and the cancer center ......... she can judge .. ..... and you yourself are a good gentleman defending "honor" of an army officer who is leading the genocide of the people, and throwing mud at psychologists? ... How is double standards accepted?
          1. Stanislas
            Stanislas 21 August 2014 09: 25
            +3
            Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
            she can judge
            About what? About megalomania? I repeat, this is a psychiatric diagnosis, and any psychiatric diagnosis is made only based on the results of diagnostic procedures (personal conversation, etc.) carried out by a psychiatrist, not in absentia and not by a medical psychologist. Ask your wife if this is not clear to you.
          2. DrVintorez
            DrVintorez 22 August 2014 14: 57
            0
            Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
            So I explain .... my wife with a higher education is a medical psychologist, graduated from St. Petersburg University, did not buy a diploma ...... She works in the AIDS center and the cancer center ......... she can judge .. ..... and you yourself are a good gentleman defending "honor" of an army officer who is leading the genocide of the people, and throwing mud at psychologists? ... How is double standards accepted?

            Is your spouse a psychologist or psychiatrist?
      3. mamont5
        mamont5 21 August 2014 08: 26
        +5
        Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
        Any psychologist will say that this general, as it were, suffers from delusions of grandeur and his own superiority and omnipotence ...... A fabulous hero for dill


        Well, at least he is more sane than the entire "government" of Ukraine. One could agree with him.
    3. victorsh
      victorsh 21 August 2014 07: 25
      +22
      You shouldn’t talk about him in vain. Sane negotiator. In his interview there is no sweeping accusation of militias. The first general of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (albeit the enemy) deserves respect.
      1. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 21 August 2014 09: 00
        -1
        Do not throw words ... ensign you, as I understand it, but I am a senior officer (not here) .... This is our enemy! ...................His words-And those who walk with weapons - there are 15 thousand of them - are they enemies?

        - Well, actually, yes. These are people who threaten the lives and health of peaceful people.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 21 August 2014 10: 30
          +3
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          His words-And those who walk with weapons - there are 15 thousand of them - are they enemies? “Well, actually, yes.” These are people who threaten the life and health of civilians.
          These are not his words. He had a question: "-And those who walk with weapons - there are 15 thousand of them - are they enemies?" I believe that the question was asked with a view to the adequacy of the correspondent, which should be against the civil war and not record 15 thousand militias who live on their land and defend it with weapons in their hands as enemies. The correspondent turned out to be inadequate, she wrote them down as enemies: "- Well, actually, yes. These are people who ...". Civil war is too delicate matter to talk about in terms of enemy-friend. Who is the enemy for you - Kolchak or Bonch-Bruevich? For me, these are not enemies, Russian officers, as well as hundreds of others who were burnt in the fire of the Civil War. We would have had more such negotiators in the 10s - 20s of the last century, maybe there would have been fewer victims. Those who on the site declare all the ukrovoi (or even all Ukrainians) enemies, they do not want peace in Ukraine, like the United States and NATO.
        2. nvv
          nvv 21 August 2014 10: 56
          +2
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          Do not throw words ... Ensign you, as I understand it, and I am a senior officer
          Our business is bad if the senior officer thinks so. In my time, this was not the case.
    4. inkass_98
      inkass_98 21 August 2014 07: 41
      +8
      Quote: VICTOR-61
      Liar

      On which side is he a liar? He just says that there are neither Russian troops nor Chechen fighters:
      You will not see them unofficially, because they are not there. If you saw any Russian or military man, this does not mean the participation of Russia.
    5. sergey05
      sergey05 21 August 2014 08: 26
      +5
      Quote: VICTOR-61
      prisoners are exchanged for the half-dead, they are given away, they know that they will not survive


      no need to escalate like an old grandmother.
      Not all Ukrainians are scum, and not all of the right sector.
    6. 12423 student
      12423 student 21 August 2014 09: 13
      +2
      Very interesting is the "third party" that scatters these shells and dumps on one side or the other. The question arises "the third party" is armed with artillery, but does not obey Kiev. How are they supplied? Where did the shells come from? "Russia is at war with America to the last Ukrainian" hint that the "third party" is Russia or America?
      1. pahom54
        pahom54 21 August 2014 10: 32
        +2
        Lord, is it really not clear ??? It’s not even clear which bastard, on the instructions of another bastard, took Boeing off course and then did the devil know what ???
        This cattle, which is now hiding on the shores of Lake Geneva from everyone and everything, the war is profitable !!! And his troops are armed - be healthy !!!
        This "third" side must be wiped out by both the militia and the ukrovoyaks - together!
    7. Bliznec
      Bliznec 21 August 2014 15: 04
      0
      corresponded today with her teacher from Shakhtyorsk, she only returned there yesterday .. today three KAMAZs appeared near the military enlistment office, she said with the Chechens. she personally spoke with them ...
  2. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 21 August 2014 07: 00
    +17
    Of course. They have already learned. We have all learned. After Maidan, Ukraine will not be the same, and even more so after this war. We are all different now.

    To broaden my horizons, I periodically watch Schuster’s programs.
    Ruban took part in one of the programs.
    Of all those present in the studio, this was the only adequate person
    1. Predator
      Predator 21 August 2014 07: 13
      0
      Quote: Veteran of the Red Army
      Of course. They have already learned. We have all learned. After Maidan, Ukraine will not be the same, and even more so after this war. We are all different now.

      To broaden my horizons, I periodically watch Schuster’s programs.
      Ruban took part in one of the programs.
      Of all those present in the studio, this was the only adequate person

      It would be adequate, so with foam at the mouth he proved to his fascist authorities about an immediate end to the war.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 21 August 2014 07: 44
        +2
        Quote: Predator
        so with foam at his mouth he proved to his fascist authorities that the war would end immediately.

        As far as I read the text correctly, Ruban says that we must stop the war and negotiate:
        need to talk. Agree. We must learn to listen.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 21 August 2014 08: 46
          +1
          Quote: inkass_98
          As far as I read the text correctly, Ruban says that we must stop the war and negotiate
          That's right, "says", but according to the Predator, all "adequate" "prove with foam at the mouth." laughing
      2. madjik
        madjik 21 August 2014 07: 49
        -1
        do not dry up against the wind ...))))))))))))
      3. haron
        haron 21 August 2014 07: 50
        +1
        Quote: Predator
        It would be adequate, so with foam at the mouth he proved to his fascist authorities about an immediate end to the war.

        With foam at the mouth, it is necessary to prove to both sides, which he says. Unilateral termination always ends with disaster and the continuation of logging with even greater frenzy.
      4. Egoza
        Egoza 21 August 2014 07: 51
        +5
        Quote: Predator
        It would be adequate, so with foam at the mouth he proved to his fascist authorities about an immediate end to the war.

        He understands perfectly well that he cannot come to an agreement with THIS power. Well, he will "prove with foam at the mouth" - they will jail him as a "separatist", and who will negotiate then? After all, there are those who were taken prisoner and forcibly taken into the army. Such negotiations and actions with "terrorists" show very well that "terrorists" are just sane and can be negotiated with them. This plays into the hands of the militias.
      5. sergey05
        sergey05 21 August 2014 08: 34
        0
        You can’t prove anything, the words here are powerless ...
      6. Captain45
        Captain45 21 August 2014 21: 58
        +1
        Quote: Predator
        It would be adequate, so with foam at the mouth he proved to his fascist authorities about an immediate end to the war.

        As for the foam at the mouth, this is to Kurginyan, he immediately lets out foam both verbally and in kind. And the general is really adequate, judging by the answers to the questions. A sober pragmatist, has a clear goal and goes towards her without wagging.
    2. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 21 August 2014 07: 35
      0
      Quote: Veteran of the Red Army
      Of all those present in the studio, this was the only adequate person

      Pay attention to the banner behind him, analyze the situation at the moment in the South-East of Ukraine and I think it will be clear why he, and not only so much wants to agree on something and asks others to listen carefully! Live a hotz and not just live, but to be beautiful however!
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  4. mad
    mad 21 August 2014 07: 01
    +12
    Maybe this Ruban and a man standing, but dill from him carries a mile away! Should he be reminded of Bezler’s order not to take alive 24 officers of the airmobile brigade, who had given up militiamen who had been tried to death and who had been consciously beaten before the exchange to a state of imminent death or disability for life?
  5. Federal
    Federal 21 August 2014 07: 03
    0
    Veiled banderlog ordinary.
  6. andj61
    andj61 21 August 2014 07: 03
    +10
    The man said that everyone in the war has their own truth, and the Russian military is not there, which simply threw the journalist into shock. All the same, it is surprising that the truth - even in such a truncated form (or is it editing?) - reaches the Ukrainians.
    Plus an article and interview, although I do not like much here. But the main message is true - you can always agree if there is a desire.
  7. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 21 August 2014 07: 05
    +3
    Is the girl still alive ??? After the referendum in Crimea, where she made a provocative story in one of the polling stations in Simferopol, on her page in the face book, she was advised not to return to Russia. True, shortly after this, the page was deleted. And now, again and again, not a conversation, but a continuous provocation.
    1. sergey05
      sergey05 21 August 2014 08: 41
      0
      Do not advertise it wassat
      If it’s honest, I don’t know her, and I don’t want to waste my time on her. Let's forget this dust, as almost forgotten Novodvorskaya wassat wassat wassat wassat wassat
      1. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 21 August 2014 10: 47
        0
        Rather, it is a warning, not an advertisement, especially since it was born, raised and educated in Volgograd.
  8. BMVIK
    BMVIK 21 August 2014 07: 09
    +5
    Quote: B.T.W.
    Is the girl still alive ??

    This is not a girl, but a bastard, like most Ukrainian journalists.
  9. yana532912
    yana532912 21 August 2014 07: 13
    +1
    Yeah! Donbass will be Ukrainian. All is said. What you save - well done. But the position both yours and ours did not bring anyone to good.
    1. haron
      haron 21 August 2014 07: 54
      +1
      Quote: yana532912
      But the position both yours and ours did not bring anyone to good.

      For this position was often not brought to its logical conclusion.
      In general, we don’t even know how many military units were prevented thanks to negotiations. The Caribbean crisis alone is worth the whole world.
    2. huut
      huut 21 August 2014 10: 21
      +1
      Quote: yana532912
      But the position both yours and ours did not bring anyone to good.


      He has no such position:

      Militias are exactly the same Ukrainians. They are not from another test, they have the same blood type, it is the same red. They studied at the same schools, sat at the same desk.


      Therefore, he believes that he is doing well for everyone, albeit on the one hand. Both sides are one. And he is better than some ideological screamer.
      By the way, that Donbass be Ukrainian and Putin does not mind. Well, he said so, at least)
  10. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 21 August 2014 07: 30
    +6
    Quote: Predator
    It would be adequate, so with foam at the mouth he proved to his fascist authorities about an immediate end to the war.


    With foam at the mouth, only tantrums that have no normal arguments prove.
    And this Ruban, an experienced and prudent specialist, and therefore a dangerous opponent.
  11. talnax7
    talnax7 21 August 2014 07: 32
    +3
    Crumpled conversation Something not a contract snippets of words Strange Everything is muddy there
  12. jPilot
    jPilot 21 August 2014 07: 39
    +2
    At first I tried to adhere to the dill line, but then it nevertheless broke through (though it is such a thing, it will still find a loophole). And the magazine-reader constantly asks provocative questions. Ruban gives her answers, and right away with her question it’s clear that you can’t agree with the dill itself, and knowing the Ukrainians’ stubbornness you won’t reach the head. And in order to negotiate with SE they themselves need to change, and this is unlikely, therefore, the orgy will continue until victory, I think and believe the militia.
    In addition, the US State Department must be destroyed
  13. DPZ
    DPZ 21 August 2014 07: 42
    +3
    There is some third party - we now call it that - which scatters these shells and dumps them on one or the other side.
    Well, finally the enemy is revealed! it remains only to find him. maybe it's aliens? or from a parallel world who comes unnoticed and leaves? and the junta and not at all at all ...
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 21 August 2014 09: 04
      +1
      Quote: DPZ
      Well, finally the enemy is revealed! it remains only to find him. maybe it's aliens?
      By "third party" Ruban may have meant Kolomoisky or the State Department, which cannot directly instruct the ukroarmiya to destroy as many civilians as possible, although he is not interested in an early victory of one of the parties, but in a long struggle "to the last Ukrainian." Such versions do not come to mind? Only about aliens?
  14. Mishanya 84
    Mishanya 84 21 August 2014 07: 42
    +3
    There are no Russian military. Cool!!!!! The first of Ukrainians who said so.
    1. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 21 August 2014 09: 08
      0
      He said that there are no officially troops, but that instructor officers have just said
      1. DrVintorez
        DrVintorez 21 August 2014 18: 06
        +1
        Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
        He said that there are no officially troops, but that instructor officers have just said


        point blank I can’t find where he said about the instructor officers.
        Tell me please
  15. Wolka
    Wolka 21 August 2014 07: 43
    +1
    Everyone must do their job... bully
  16. PEGASUS
    PEGASUS 21 August 2014 07: 44
    +5
    It seemed to me that this Ruban was more or less adequate
  17. Loner_53
    Loner_53 21 August 2014 08: 02
    +1
    Of course. They have already learned. We have all learned. After Maidan Ukraine will not be the sameWill there be Ukraine at all? No.
  18. Maxpotan
    Maxpotan 21 August 2014 08: 09
    0
    Half-truths are worse than lies. This "negotiator", having created an image of an adequate person for himself, cleverly pushes a verified lie between the facts in an interview. Dexterously he blamed all the crimes of the ukroarmii on some elusive "third party". We are not bombing. We are white and fluffy. Machiavelli is resting.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 21 August 2014 21: 04
      0
      Quote: MaxPotan
      having created for himself the image of an adequate person, he cleverly pushes through a verified lie in an interview between facts.
      A statement that, in the absence of evidence of a lie in a noble society, was to be followed by a duel. These are your speculations, sucked from the finger, at best. At worst, deliberate discrediting. He did not dump ALL crimes, but only informed about the presence of a third force (not Russia), which is working to incite war. You have created for yourself an image of the ukrovoyenny as a complete inadequacy, who is ordered to destroy the civilian population, but he continues to fight? Do you think that every battery commander, receiving target designation, knows that this is a residential building in which the separatists did not dig in when they were born? I do not know how many percent of such people will be in the ukroarmiya, but I believe that the majority does not want a civil war and is fueled by the myth of an external enemy that has settled here and there. And who is carrying this misinformation? Who to the children of Ukrainians and especially stubborn adults and elderly kaklam cripples the historical memory, making Russia their main enemy? This is the third force, the enemy. If the enemy has an "epiphany", he begins to see the common enemy, then he can and must become an ally.
  19. alicante11
    alicante11 21 August 2014 08: 13
    0
    And I'm sorry for this man. I have read about such books many times. Trying to stay honest, fighting for a wrong cause, which for some reason he can’t give up. It's very hard. If he is a really strong man, then after the war, I think he will know what to do, he probably has award weapons.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 21 August 2014 09: 08
      +1
      Quote: alicante11
      Trying to stay honest, fighting for a wrong cause, which for some reason he can’t give up.
      Barely, he is engaged in the exchange of prisoners, the militia fighters are also interested in his work, plus he publicly speaks the truth and calls for an end to the civil war, in which the civilians of Novorossia sitting in basements without water and electricity are interested, which means calling his work "a wrong deed" there is twitching. But distortion is really a wrong thing, cheating.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 21 August 2014 13: 06
        0
        He works for the Nazis, which means he is fighting on their side. The militias, of course, are interested in his work, but look at his statements. Therefore, "his deed is wrong."
  20. Sigismund
    Sigismund 21 August 2014 08: 13
    +2
    He says and does everything correctly. We must strive for peace, not endless war. And the journalist is definitely a provocateur.
  21. Lelik
    Lelik 21 August 2014 08: 21
    +1
    Militias are exactly the same Ukrainians. They are not from another test, they have the same blood type, it is the same red. They studied at the same schools, sat at the same desk.

    Good idea.
  22. sergey05
    sergey05 21 August 2014 08: 31
    0
    "After the Maidan, Ukraine will not be the same, and even more so after this war. We are all different now."

    Ukraine will be different after the winter. The question is for the better or for the worse.
  23. O. Bender
    O. Bender 21 August 2014 09: 19
    0
    The first time I hear from the junta’s representatives about the need for negotiations. Obvious progress. I would also like to hear something from the so-called ... President Poroshenko. The war will someday end soon. Destroyed infrastructure of the southeast is a strong problem for the population and the leadership to solve it will be very and very difficult. Kiev paleachs understand this very well and until they ditch Donbass they will not rest. It’s a pity.
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  25. dmb
    dmb 21 August 2014 09: 40
    +3
    If there was such an interview, and most likely it was, then Ruban is a worthy officer, and all his critics on the site are simply furious with his statement that Ukraine should be united. Well, this does not coincide with their territorial claims. Before, you and your parents had to catch up. Do not shout on August 21, "Yeltsin, Yeltsin", do not sniff at the TV, drank vodka after Belovezhie. And now you are making a claim to a citizen of another country who fulfills the Oath given to her. Well then, let's praise the rare bastard, also Colonel-General Vorobyov, who is still struggling in our democratic circles. It was he who squealed about the freedom of the Chechen people in 1992-1994. All of the above refers only to Ruban, and not at all to the authorities existing in Kiev.
    1. ava09
      ava09 21 August 2014 18: 29
      0
      "A decent officer" is good, but not enough. Now it is no longer important who and what shouted on August 21 - it is important that those who shouted "Yeltsin" see their sight even now. You seem to assess the Kiev authorities correctly, why cannot Ruban assess them correctly? And the oath is given not to the country, not to the authorities, but to the people of this country.
  26. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 21 August 2014 10: 19
    0
    Yesterday I read on the interview this interview (someone from the forum users submitted a reference). In the comments, TA-A-A-AKOY was a scream, horror is simple !!! He seemed to me quite adequate, although he realizes, IMHO, that the so-called wrong business management so-called Ukraine.
  27. Shaitan_by
    Shaitan_by 21 August 2014 10: 32
    0
    Quote: VICTOR-61

    - But Russia does not recognize this as a war ...

    - Russia has to do with it?

    - Do you think Russia is not involved in this conflict?

    “Have you seen Russian troops there?”

    - I saw the military from Russia.


    Quote: mamont5
    Well, at least he is more sane than the entire "government" of Ukraine.


    It seems to me that he is more sane than those by whom these questions were drawn up.
  28. father nikon
    father nikon 21 August 2014 11: 32
    0
    A lot of prisoners slander, create a value for themselves in order to survive. It seems to them that now they will be shot, and they need to show some importance

    At least - it’s not logical!
  29. priest58
    priest58 21 August 2014 11: 34
    0
    About a month ago
  30. Stanislas
    Stanislas 21 August 2014 11: 34
    0
    In a civil war, it is very important to distinguish between the enemy and the enemy. We have to fight with the enemy, but the enemy must be destroyed. Anyone who wants to end the fratricidal war remembers this, nmv.
  31. Vend
    Vend 21 August 2014 12: 02
    0
    He cautiously says that they should not be taken by the collar, but there are sensible things. I do not believe in a third party, except that these are only US mercenaries. Engaged in intensifying the conflict.
  32. Plamenvarna
    Plamenvarna 21 August 2014 12: 09
    -1
    Around the middle of the interval, a split personality was clearly observed in this negotiator.
    Then went the disruption.
    He had too many roles. Too many flips.
    He is a third-rate liar. Not more.
  33. leond
    leond 21 August 2014 14: 01
    0
    The position of General Ruban indicates a change in the attitude of the leadership of Ukraine to the military conflict in this country. Apparently, the realization that Ukraine is financially and technically unable to succeed in a military confrontation with the DPR of the LPR is forcing the leadership to switch to a regime of negotiations with the rebel republics. It is naive to believe that if there are so many victims and destruction in these republics, their leadership will agree to rejoin Ukraine.
  34. Sailor
    Sailor 21 August 2014 14: 02
    +1
    A sensible man, and the war will be until the victory of one of the parties (I hope the militias).
  35. Sour
    Sour 21 August 2014 14: 28
    0
    I won’t be surprised if Ruban is soon killed.
    Ukraine does not like alternative points of view. Give them one mind.
  36. bogdan4ik
    bogdan4ik 21 August 2014 18: 27
    -1
    Why is another Ukrainian propaganda posted here?
  37. z817
    z817 8 March 2015 06: 22
    0
    I registered on (this site only to "tweet" (tweet) for this article.

    I am two-handed for similar articles!
    At least (looks-it seems) very reasonable and honest with knowledge of the matter. Much more reasonable than that of Makarevich.

    Yes, this Man is on the other, territorially, side of the barricades. But (my opinion) on one side of the barricades with us in terms of reason.

    There would be more such people on both sides in Ukraine (including Malorosia) and in Russia.

    Sorry, I am writing this post without reading (for now) all the comments.
    I will read it for sure!
    If there is something to add then "tweet".

    Sincerely (not indifferent to the fate of the motherland - my homeland of the USSR) z817.