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Russian third-generation combat equipment will receive fundamentally new materials

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Dmitry Semizorov, head of the Central Scientific Research Institute of Precision Engineering (TsNIITOCHMASH), noted that the new Russian combat equipment of the third generation will be created from fundamentally new materials. Such a kit will have more than 50 different elements. Earlier there was information that the third generation combat equipment, which should replace the adopted “Warrior” kit, will be developed in 2017 year. To master its mass production in Russia is calculated in the next decade.


According to Semizorov, the number of elements in the new outfit will surpass the “Warrior” kit (around 50 elements), but their number will be determined by the final customer, that is, the RF Ministry of Defense. “The most important thing is not the number of elements, but the fact that everything else will be qualitatively new: new technologies, new approaches,” Dmitry Semizorov told reporters at the Oboronexpo-2014 exhibition, which was held in Zhukovsky near Moscow.

According to Sergey Sakharov, General Director of ZAO FORT Tekhnologia (Moscow), some elements of combat equipment were not included in the second generation kit, while they are considered promising. The experience gained from their creation is sure to come in handy when working on third-generation gear. At the same time, Sakharov noted a continuing dependence on imported components, although less. He stressed that the main content of one of the company's body armor is armor of the Russian assembly. Its weight is 3,5 kilogram on 1 square. meter. Such armor is able to provide reliable protection against a bullet fired from a Stechkin pistol when fired at close range with a pressure of 10 kg. But the inserts of ceramic plates in the vest are still foreign.


The company also developed armor of lesser weight - just 2,5 kg per 1 square. meter. Such armor is able to protect the chest, back and sides of a soldier in 6A protection class. At the same time it is made entirely of domestic materials. In general, such an armored set can provide a soldier with protection even from hitting grenade launchers or shrapnel from an RGD grenade. Russian designers are confidently moving forward, developing their own development.

The components of body armor already created at the moment can be used in the next generation combat gear. This is confirmed by Oleg Bochkarev, who holds the post of chairman of the military-industrial commission under the Russian government. To this end, the state-owned company Rostec and holding RT-Chemcomposite are now implementing a fairly large joint program to create the missing Russian components for combat equipment, which will then be sent for approval to the Ministry of Industry and Trade.

In the meantime, the Russian army is waiting for a set of combat equipment of the second generation "Warrior", it is often also called the "kit soldier of the future." In August of this year, we can say that the tests of the “Warrior” kit have been completed, the image of the equipment kit has been formed. In September 2014, the military operation of the “Warrior” will begin, during this operation, all the shortcomings will be eliminated. The first mass deliveries of the kit to the Russian army are planned for October; every year the Russian armed forces will receive thousands of Ratnik kits for 50. The fact that the procurement of the kit will begin in October, said Alexander Romanyuta, who holds the post of head of the military-scientific department of the ground forces.


According to Dmitry Semizorov, recently specialists have achieved significant success in improving the characteristics of the various components of the “Warrior”. For example, the accuracy of the weapons that make up the combat gear was increased by 1,5 times, penetrability - by 1,7 times. Also increased the detection range of the enemy - in 1,2 times. According to the head of TsNIITOCHMASH, the protective characteristics of the “Warrior” have improved in 2 times, while the protected area has also grown. On 30% it was possible to reduce the mass of the life support system, which is included in the “Warrior”. But along with this, a number of problems remain, in particular in the field of management and communications, for example, in Russia there is still no suitable radio station of the 6 generation.

"Warrior" is a modern complex of means of protection, weapons, communications and ammunition. Research and development work on this project was carried out by dozens of domestic defense companies, which include FSUE TsNIITOCHMASH, NPO Spetsmaterialov, NPO Spetstekhnika and Svyaz, and others. The general designer of Ratnik was Vladimir Nikolaevich Lepin. It should be noted that the Federal State Unitary Enterprise TsNIITOCHMASH (Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering) is a key enterprise for the Russian defense industry. With his direct participation, over the course of 70 years in our country, more than 120 of various types of artillery, anti-tank and small arms, various ammunition and military equipment have been created and introduced into production.

For the first time, “Warrior” was shown to viewers at the MAKS-2011 air show. The military trials of the kit began in December 2012 of the year and were conducted on the basis of the Alabino training ground near Moscow by the 27 fighters of the separate motorized rifle brigade. According to the results of the military tests carried out then, the elements of the “Warrior” outfit received positive feedback from the Russian military command.


Combat gear of the second generation "Warrior" combines an effective protection complex, modern small arms, communications, reconnaissance and target designation, just about 10 different subsystems. In addition to direct combat functionality, it is designed to provide effective protection for servicemen in battle against various damaging factors. The kit includes the order of the 50 various elements. The set of combat equipment "Warrior" is one of the components of the overall project, which aims to improve the qualities of an individual fighter on the battlefield through the use of the latest scientific achievements in the field of night vision systems, navigation, tracking the psycho-physiological state of the fighter, as well as the use of advanced materials in the production of armor plates and clothing fabrics.

The devil is known to be in the details. Very much in battle depends not only on the weapon, but also on what is worn on the soldier, whether the fighter feels comfortable in various climatic and meteorological conditions. In this regard, new equipment is a serious step forward. The new uniforms, which are part of the combat gear, evoke positive emotions from the experts. These are warming underwear, and new shoes with increased wear and frost resistance, as well as waterproof socks with new membrane manufacturing technology. A leg in such a sock can be dipped in water for 5 minutes and at the same time it will remain completely dry. At the same time, in such socks, the legs not only do not get wet, but also do not sweat, which is especially important when making marches or actions in mountain-desert terrain in conditions of heat.

The average lifetime of one set is defined in 5 years. In this case, a set of combat equipment will be transferred from one soldier to another, until he falls under write-off. Naturally, the various elements of equipment have different lifetimes. For example, a T-shirt with flaps is designed only for one soldier, the summer uniform will have the owner’s 2, winter uniform, body armor, helmets, small arms and knives designed for a much longer service life. The new “Warrior” kits should receive the Airborne Forces and Ground Forces units, as well as the Marine Corps of the Russian Navy. The first will receive them some parts of the Western Military District. It is assumed that during the 5 years, the Russian Armed Forces will completely switch to new equipment.

Information sources:
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140813/1019873702.html
http://vpk-news.ru/articles/20016
http://itar-tass.com/politika/1360942
http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/perspektivnye_razrabotki/rossiyskuyu_boevuyu_ekipirovku_tretego_pokoleniya_sozdadut_iz_printsipialno_novykh_materialov
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  1. Serbor
    Serbor 21 August 2014 09: 33
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    In today's highly mobile, network-centric military conflicts, several factors are of particular importance.
    1. effective protection of a fighter as an independent combat unit
    2. integration of each fighter into a common battle system with the ability to remotely control
    3. the possibility of advancing enemy detection (and therefore destruction)
    4. Well, comfort has not been canceled even in combat conditions (physical comfort in itself improves mood and increases morale.
    It's nice that they start thinking not only about hardware, but also about people, we don't have a lot of them anyway
    1. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 21 August 2014 12: 11
      +7
      Yes, I’d hurry it up already, and sell it to Kazakhstan, such armor plates will not hurt us either. =)
      1. Ayujak
        Ayujak 21 August 2014 12: 28
        +2
        It would be nice. But why does the NAS buy American technology? The Russian price / quality is better. By the way, there is a good proposal for the Su-30 - 18 Dryers for 180 million. That they would definitely not hurt Kazakhstan.
        1. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder 21 August 2014 15: 21
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          Quote: AYUJAK
          AYUJAK Today, 12:28 ↑ ↓ It would be nice. But why does the NAS buy American technology?


          To test the latest Russian weapons on it. smile

          how did these villains with our technology after the collapse of the Union.

          PySy. General Ivashov told how, after 1991, at the Russian-American exercises, these bastards asked the Russians to show how to shoot down their own missiles. All their partnership comes down to testing their technique on an "ally" that will be shot tomorrow.
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 21 August 2014 21: 46
          +1
          Marat (AYUJAK), and what kind of equipment from the USA are we buying? What kind of Su-30 are we talking about? If the Indian, which in Belarus, then after the Indians there is a resource of 0. Although of course you can upgrade. Ours on b / y greedy, all that is, then all b / y took (except transporters). hi
          In 2006/2007, the NAS declared that everything we couldn’t take (in armaments) in the CIS countries; we will take in the West. Therefore, transport workers took to the EU. Eurocopters are unlikely to ever be able to replace the Mi-8, especially the Mi-24. But the Peacekeepers really had to be equipped according to the NATO standard (1 brigade + 1 battalion) -Hammers, etc. .. And so almost everything is Soviet, modernized. And there is practically no nova. hi
          1. Ayujak
            Ayujak 22 August 2014 12: 33
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            Kasym, then everything is clear. The nuances were not clear. The very fact of the presence of NATO technology in the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan led me into a stupor. It seems like RK is the most faithful ally of the Russian Federation among the CIS countries.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 22 August 2014 20: 23
              +1
              Hummers (repairs and spare parts - don't worry, mom), 3 helicopters (in my opinion) Huey - it's all donated. Something else "gave", some boats (but I don't remember exactly). And that's all. There is almost nothing percussion.
    2. Juborg
      Juborg 23 August 2014 16: 42
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      And what is it that, it turns out, from October only purchases will start, at 50 sets a year, it turns out that we will put the army in a new one only in ten years and only half (considering that our army is about 800). So this is to take into account that this form is designed for operation for 000 years, so calculate how much more is needed. So let's count!
  2. Smol79
    Smol79 21 August 2014 09: 35
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    Who knows what kind of machine gun is included in the warrior, how has accuracy been improved 1,5 times?
    1. Dinko
      Dinko 21 August 2014 10: 28
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      AEK-971 Kovrov’s development of the mid-80s. Weapons with balanced automation. There, a counterbalance balances the various forces acting on the weapon during the shooting, something like this.
      1. yehat
        yehat 21 August 2014 11: 09
        +1
        But is AEK 971 in service ???
        if so then this is good news
        1. bullet
          bullet 21 August 2014 15: 21
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          What do you think, if a balanced scheme would give a significant improvement in accuracy while maintaining the reliability and reliability of the automation, then why was it not accepted into service back in the 80s, when money was almost always found for arming?
          1. psiho117
            psiho117 21 August 2014 15: 39
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            Quote: bullet
            What do you think, if a balanced scheme would give a significant improvement in accuracy while maintaining the reliability and reliability of the automation, then why was it not accepted into service back in the 80s, when money was almost always found for arming?


            And there was the irresponsible demand of the Ministry of Defense - give us the accuracy of the first shot 2 times higher - well, the machine gunner riveted to them by Nikon - a smart engineering solution, but with the initially delusional requirements - that’s why they forgot about the AH slowly. Although as a design solution, the machine is brilliant. But he still could not find a place.
            1. bullet
              bullet 21 August 2014 16: 28
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              The trouble is that the adoption of the AN-94 assault rifle came in 1997, when, to put it mildly, the ass was in the country ... And since at that time the Defense Ministry didn’t spend heavily on arms purchases, they forgot about it in good faith .. But he won the competition, where there was more than one model. As a confident user of the AN-94, I can say that there is no competitor in our country in terms of accuracy of fire from unstable positions.
            2. PSih2097
              PSih2097 21 August 2014 21: 37
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              Quote: psiho117
              Although as a design solution, the machine is brilliant.

              Have you tried to clean it ???
              1. bullet
                bullet 21 August 2014 23: 25
                +2
                He cleaned and more than once ... shot 30 thousand shots. Nothing complicated ... a Kalashnikov assault rifle after a three-line also probably seemed complicated
                nym.
                1. k_ply
                  k_ply 24 August 2014 18: 53
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                  30 !? Guaranteed barrel life of 000 shots.
                  1. bullet
                    bullet 26 August 2014 15: 24
                    +1
                    Yes, the warranty life of the barrel, like on the AK, is 10000 shots, but this does not mean that after this shot the machine is disposed of. The criterion for the exhaustibility of the trunk resource is a drop in the initial velocity of more than 5%; an increase in the initial characteristics of accuracy by more than 2 times, as well as the appearance of oval holes (more than 50%).
                    The barrel of the AN-94, like the AK-74, calmly withstands 15000 rounds ....
                    And I did not say that 30000 was processed on one trunk.
                    1. k_ply
                      k_ply 27 August 2014 13: 43
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                      Quote: bullet
                      The barrel of the AN-94, like the AK-74, calmly withstands 15000 rounds ....

                      Who argues that !?
                      Quote: bullet
                      And I did not say that 30000 was processed on one trunk.

                      So say it right away, do not mislead the people.
            3. Droid
              Droid 25 August 2014 20: 01
              +1
              And there was the irresponsible demand of the Moscow Region - give us the accuracy of the first shot 2 times higher

              There was no such thing. And there was a demand to increase the effectiveness of shooting by 1,5-2 times. And Nikonov fulfilled this requirement, as did Stechkin.
              1. bullet
                bullet 26 August 2014 15: 31
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                But Stechkin had problems with the uptime of automation.
          2. k_ply
            k_ply 24 August 2014 19: 02
            +2
            Quote: bullet
            What do you think, if a balanced scheme would give a significant improvement in accuracy while maintaining the reliability and reliability of the automation, then why was it not accepted into service back in the 80s, when money was almost always found for arming?

            Do you know about the mass army of the 80s and monopoly? And from what suddenly then appeared AK-107 / -108 / -109?
            1. Droid
              Droid 25 August 2014 20: 07
              +1
              Do you know about the mass army of the 80s and monopoly? And from what suddenly then appeared AK-107 / -108 / -109?

              Do you know about the battery? Kalashnikov assault rifle with balanced automation, participated in the Abakan competition. And flew past the finale. So much for monopoly and balanced automation.
              Izhevsk. Kalashnikov assault rifle. With balanced automation. Lost the contest.
              Now you can talk about monopoly.
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              2. k_ply
                k_ply 27 August 2014 01: 07
                +1
                Quote: Droid
                Kalashnikov assault rifle with balanced automation, participated in the Abakan competition.

                Rich fantasy?
                1. Droid
                  Droid 27 August 2014 06: 27
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                  Rich fantasy?

                  Your poor knowledge. And not only knowledge. They even wrote the name of the machine to you, and you all wonder about someone else’s imagination instead of sending a request to Google.
                  1. k_ply
                    k_ply 27 August 2014 15: 01
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                    Quote: Droid
                    ... instead of sending a request to google

                    Already aware of where you get your knowledge.
                    1. Droid
                      Droid 27 August 2014 18: 20
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                      Already aware of where you get your knowledge.

                      Well, let's go through your knowledge.
                      Your statements about the battery and
                      “And improved accuracy by 15-20% - nothing?” about balanced automation show your complete ignorance of materials on the Abakan competition. In general, confuse accuracy and efficiency, and also do not know anything about a Kalashnikov assault rifle with balanced automation - a battery, this is a visiting card of AEK lovers. When they shout about the monopoly of Izhmash, which supposedly cut off excellent balanced automation, I ask them a question - what do they know about the battery and why the automatic machine with such excellent automation made in Izhevsk by a designer with the name Kalashnikov did not even reach the finals? And these people fall into a stupor, they don’t know at all that Izhmash submitted several automatic machines to the competition, including and with balanced automation. Why Kalashnikov did not reach the final with the battery, but Stechkin with his carriage scheme came out.
                      Well, about the battery and accuracy ...
                      We open the book A.A. Malimona "Domestic assault rifles (notes of the tester-gunsmith)" and read:


                      According to the scheme with balanced automation, the following samples were made:
                      - AEK-971 (hard bore KMZ, designer B. A. Garev),
                      - AEK-978 (hard currency KMZ, designer P. A. Pikinsky),
                      - Battery (Izhmash Production Association, designer V.M. Kalashnikov).
                      .
                      All samples with a classic shock scheme did not provide the specified requirements for firing efficiency. The advantage in terms of accuracy of firing achieved through the implementation of a high pace and the use of sophisticated muzzle devices was 2 times less than the standard AK-74 assault rifle, which was insufficient to meet the requirements of the technical specifications.
                      The best results on the accuracy of fire were obtained on machines with balanced automation, however, their advantage in accuracy (approximately 2–3,3 times) over the standard AK-74 assault rifle was also insufficient to achieve the required firing efficiency.
                      Etc.
                      A feature of the balanced design machine of Kalashnikov V.M. was the roll out of the barrel.
                      Much better results on the accuracy of fire were shown by all the samples made according to the scheme with a shifted recoil momentum, while only on the automatic machine of the design of Nikonov G.N. TTZ requirements for this characteristic were fully implemented.
                      .
                      In 1991, state military tests of the AFM were carried out in the Taman Guards Division.
                      The accuracy of the AFM assault rifle for shooters of various qualifications was better than the accuracy of AK-74 assault rifles (according to the area of ​​scattering cores) when firing automatic fire from 4,2 to 13,5 times. This ensured an increase in the effectiveness of firing from various positions compared to the AK-74 assault rifle by an average of 1,6 times.
                      1. k_ply
                        k_ply 27 August 2014 19: 34
                        +1
                        In my opinion, you are "on your wave."
                        Quote: Droid
                        “And improved accuracy by 15-20% - nothing?” about balanced automation show your complete ignorance of materials on the Abakan competition.

                        How so?
                        Quote: Droid
                        In general, confuse accuracy and efficiency, and also do not know anything about a Kalashnikov assault rifle with balanced automation - a battery, this is a visiting card of AEK lovers.

                        And then the battery and AEK, and who are you now addressing to fans of AEK, or balanced automation?
                        Quote: Droid
                        ... they don’t know at all that Izhmash submitted several machines to the contest ...

                        Here you answered your question. And the output was still got the AK-74 М. Kalashnikov.

                        By the way, I'm not ashamed that I am not a "bookworm", copy-paste is not mine, comments are only from memory.
                        In general, your self-confidence is striking, at one time people who conducted tests on the "Abakan" topic did not come to a consensus, realizing the possibility of improving the samples by designers in the future, therefore, they are only interested in the samples that have survived to this day and apply for supply.
                      2. Droid
                        Droid 27 August 2014 19: 46
                        +1
                        How so?

                        You didn’t even seem to bother to read what I “copied”? And if they didn’t refer to the memory, but went through the sources or at least read the answers of the interlocutors, they would know that the superiority of balanced automation in accuracy over AK74 is 2-3 times, and not 15-20%.
                        And then the battery and AEK, and who are you now addressing to fans of AEK, or balanced automation?

                        Despite the fact that they are both with balanced automation about which you spoke.
                        Here you answered your question. And the output was still received AK-74 M. Kalashnikov.

                        The output was AN-94 Nikonov.
                        By the way, I'm not ashamed that I am not a "bookworm", copy-paste is not mine, comments are only from memory.

                        It is seen. And it should be embarrassing to refer to memory because of laziness to delve into the literature.
                        at one time, people who conducted tests on the "Abakan" topic did not come to a consensus,

                        Confident separation of Nikonov and Stechkin suggests otherwise. Only automatic machines of the carriage scheme were able to perform TTZ, the rest did not pull corny. And these are not opinions, but test results.
                      3. k_ply
                        k_ply 27 August 2014 20: 51
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                        Quote: Droid
                        ... superiority of balanced automation in accuracy over AK74 is 2-3 times, and not 15-20%.

                        I repeat. How? or what method? I was already waiting for indicators.
                        Quote: Droid
                        Despite the fact that they are both with balanced automation about which you spoke.

                        Truth!? I hear it for the first time. Have you already discovered America?
                        I mention AEK because of the earlier SA-006 (1968) by A. Konstantinov and S. Koksharov, but I am not a fan of AEK.
                        Quote: Droid
                        The output was AN-94 Nikonov.

                        It's nice that you believe in it, then he had to replace the AK-74 in production and in the troops, which did not happen.
                        Quote: Droid
                        And these are not opinions, but test results

                        Naturally, some kind of official conclusion was to follow. Or is it otherwise?
                      4. Droid
                        Droid 27 August 2014 20: 55
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                        We read the quotes from Malimon above, everything is written there. Or read Malimon himself.
                        However, the fact that you are not a reader, even of what is before your eyes, I already understood.
                      5. k_ply
                        k_ply 27 August 2014 22: 27
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                        Tov.Droid unable to explain what was read, it’s not copy-paste!
                        "It is also written on the fence", go to the wiki (AEK-971 / AK-107).
                      6. Droid
                        Droid 28 August 2014 06: 25
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                        The fact that you are not a reader, I already understood, but that you are misreading what I read, now I will know the same.
                        go to the wiki (AEK-971 / AK-107).

                        And here is the wiki ...
                        Accuracy of firing bursts from unstable positions improves markedly, surpassing that of AK-74M 1,5-2 times.

                        You also confuse times with interest. Nekhilo so you have 1,5-2 times turned into 15-20%.
                        And finally, read the experts. The same Malimon, for example, he, unlike the anonymous editors of the wiki, spent most of his life testing small arms.
                      7. k_ply
                        k_ply 28 August 2014 19: 23
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                        About such a half-man like you, they say "looks at the book sees a fig", you are not able to explain what you read, referring to the author's reputation, even the unwillingness to understand the essence of what has been written, in the method of assessing the accuracy (of which there are many), is striking, you, my friend, sickly such a thoughtless "dummy", even the discrepancies in the wiki did not make you think.
                        I have the honor!
    2. k_ply
      k_ply 27 August 2014 18: 17
      0
      It's primitive. In terms of detailing, is there much in common between the joint stock bank (initially, in general, a movable barrel as a balancer) and the AK-107, except for the name "automatic machines with balanced automatics."
      1. Droid
        Droid 27 August 2014 18: 22
        +1
        You better read Malimon ...
  • bullet
    bullet 26 August 2014 15: 27
    0
    And they have been tested and adopted ???
    1. k_ply
      k_ply 26 August 2014 23: 05
      +1
      And something does not correspond to what I said above?
      So we have Izhevsk AK-74 - this is about monopoly and was optimal for the mass army of the 80s. And with what Izhevsk people offer AK-107 / -108 / -109, when there is and was AEK?
      Learning to listen and understand.
      1. bullet
        bullet 26 August 2014 23: 29
        +1
        Dear, a drop!
        Without going personal, in my opinion you don’t hear the arguments of your opponents. Based on a large number of tests, experimental data were obtained that the scheme of balanced automation does not give a significant improvement in accuracy of fire, and also does not provide reliable operation of automation. And neither the AK-107 nor the AEK-971 were adopted for this only. And an attempt to push new (old) models into service is another cut of state money.
        At the same time, the AN-94 you do not like, while maintaining the reliability of the automation at the AK level, improves the accuracy characteristics when firing a fixed burst of two shots from unstable positions (lying on your hands, standing) by 1,5 - 2 times. And this is a fact confirmed by practice!
        1. k_ply
          k_ply 27 August 2014 01: 38
          +2
          The arguments are what and why, what are we contesting?
          It turns out that the Kovrovites and Izhevsk workers (the latter had and still have orders) "suffer from nonsense" with balanced automation, and the improved accuracy by 15-20% is nothing? A fool understands that reliability cannot be at the level of "classic" AKs.
          Which of the currently existing domestic barrels shoot "twos" (rate of 2000 rds / min) to compare accuracy (and not with the automatic fire of the AK)? Maybe it's easier for single ones, but the cartridge is more powerful? Maybe that's why the AN-94 does not quite justify its existence, and even in special forces it is not in service everywhere? In my opinion, a normal weapon is quite single and automatic. modes, 2/3 each - if the high tempo is automatic. fire.
          So I didn’t mention the AN-94? Beloved-unloved! - what is it about? Although, in automatic mode, it has no advantages.
          1. Droid
            Droid 27 August 2014 06: 33
            +2
            Kovrovites with Izhevsk people (the latter had and still have orders) it turns out that they "suffer from nonsense" with balanced automation,

            They want orders. And if the military gets carried away with silicon muskets, they will make muskets.
            It may be easier to single, but more powerful cartridge?

            Worse. At the same time, ask yourself the question why the whole world switched to automatic machines under the cartridge of reduced power.
            1. k_ply
              k_ply 27 August 2014 13: 44
              +1
              Quote: Droid
              They want orders. And if the military gets carried away with silicon muskets, they will make muskets.

              Stupidity and an attempt to humiliate the collectives of enterprises, "unpromising" balanced automatics would have been hacked down much earlier and forgotten, and a massive bolt and frame, for example, would have bluntly lightened. Although it would be nice to increase the length of the sighting line of the mechanical sight for close and medium distances (which was done on the AN-94 and later on the AK-12).

              Quote: Droid
              Worse. At the same time, ask yourself the question why the whole world switched to automatic machines under the cartridge of reduced power.

              Intermediate cartridges (7,92x33 / 7,62x39), as well as the low-impulse cartridges that appeared later (5,56x45 / 5,45x39), appeared precisely for the possibility of conducting acceptable aimed automatic fire from light individual weapons, i.e. to increase the density of fire and the likelihood of hitting. Hence the question, why should a weapon with three firing modes be "super boring", but only in a "twos" mode, the weapon was created only for the sake of increasing efficiency in one firing mode. It may be easier to single, but more powerful cartridge? - in other words, a sniper for close (up to 600m.) or medium (up to 1000m.) distances (SVD).
            2. bullet
              bullet 27 August 2014 14: 32
              +1
              "Stupidity and an attempt to humiliate the collectives of enterprises," unpromising "balanced automatics would have been hacked down much earlier and forgotten, and a massive bolt and frame, for example, would have bluntly lightened."
              She was hacked a long time ago.
              In the GRAU system, which was involved in the support of military products (including small arms) from the creation of the TTZ to the release of serial products, there were test sites that were engaged (in terms of prototypes) to evaluate them for compliance with the TTZ requirements and issue recommendations for possible acceptance into service. And it was after the tests that this scheme was found unpromising. Although there were precedents when weapons that did not meet the TTZ were adopted on the basis of the desires of "administrative resources" (for example, a pistol PYa).
              Unfortunately, this system is currently destroyed. And it is no secret that TTZ is written with the active participation of industrial enterprises for their specific developments and opportunities. It’s easier to take ready-made operating time than to create something from scratch. Such a truth of life (shitty truth)!
        2. bullet
          bullet 27 August 2014 13: 57
          +1
          We continue the conversation ....
          1. For your information, at the present time, just JSC "ZID" has orders for small arms from the Ministry of Defense, while JSC "Concern" Kalashnikov "" had the main profit from the sale of weapons to the civilian market (primarily supplies abroad ).
          2. The fool does not understand how, as a result of the competition, the AN-94 was able to provide the necessary accuracy (superior to AK) and reliability (no lower than AK), but competitors did not. In addition, balanced automation showed an improvement in accuracy just on fixed lines.
          3. Currently, there are many domestic samples that allow firing in fixed bursts of 2-3 shots (examples: submachine gun AEK-918G (cutoff for 3 shots with a rate of fire of about 1200 rounds / min.); AK were produced " hundredth series "with a cut-off for 3 shots (moreover, not only AK-107, but also AK-101, AK-103), a family of machine guns based on the AEK; AK-12, etc.). But the trouble is that the improvement in accuracy is achieved either by reducing the rate of fire, or by increasing it. And the same AEK system works at a standard pace.
          4. All of the above models of machine guns, when firing a single fire, have approximately the same accuracy indicators.
          Improvements in accuracy of fire with a single fire can be achieved due to:
          - quality manufacturing trunks;
          - manufacturing quality of existing ammunition;
          - the creation of new ammunition;
          - etc.
          5. As I already wrote, the AN-94 was not widely used due to the banal lack of money in troubled times.
          6. For your information, in the automatic firing mode, the AN-94 produces the first two shots with a firing rate of 1800 rds / min. (and not 2000) and only then goes to a pace of 600 rds / min.
          Personally, I, at a distance of 100 meters from the stop, laid a continuous line of 30 shots in the chest target No. 4.
          1. k_ply
            k_ply 27 August 2014 15: 02
            +1
            Please ...
            1. That ZID has orders, for example, for machine guns (7,62 / 12,7 mm) and sniper rifles - I know.
            2. The fool does not understand that I know that balanced automation showed an improvement in accuracy just on fixed lines. It is difficult to shoot at the BO in short bursts of 3 without cutoff at a rate of fire of 900 rounds / min.
            3. An absolutely superfluous option with fixed bursts of 3 for AK-101 / -103 at a rate of 600 rpm.
            4. Are you a discoverer?
            5. The excuse, the benefit of the AK-74M entered the army.
            6. I'm ashamed, rounded up the pace, which is VERY unacceptable for "twos".
            Figure out what you want to prove to me? That the AN-94 should become a standard weapon of rifle divisions and special forces, or still a marksman's weapon (in fire groups / squads) at best, it really depends on what will be given preference during tests.
          2. bullet
            bullet 27 August 2014 15: 45
            0
            1. Do they order machines from Izhevsk?
            2. There are samples with a high rate without cut-off (SR-2 - 1000 v / m).
            3. You asked a question, I answered.
            4. And I'm not rude to you.
            5. Do you know how much it costs to establish a mass production? AN-94 was not mass produced; one experimental workshop worked.
            6. The AN-94 has already won the competition and has been put into service. And I know in practice that there is currently no competitor in our country. But my opinion does not matter, including for you. So we remain in our opinion.
            Good luck!
          3. k_ply
            k_ply 27 August 2014 18: 18
            0
            Quote: k_ply
            Figure out what you want to prove to me? That the AN-94 should become a standard weapon of rifle divisions and special forces, or still a marksman's weapon (in fire groups / squads) at best, it really depends on what will be given preference during tests.

            If, of course, such tests take place, these tasks have long been performed and are being performed by SVD / SVD-S (for example, in motorized rifle squads), unfortunately, the AN-94 with its "deuces", unfortunately, probably has no future, but thanks to the main standard in the departments , 5,45x39-mm cartridge, it would be worthwhile to use the existing AN-94 to a limited extent, it is good for this purpose with 4x optics. Complete replacement of SVD in this level ("group-department") will be very controversial, as you said earlier - it will work Another cut of state money.
            For what are you "fighting", for what niche in the troops for the AN-94, except for "your favorite individual weapon"? - unclear.
            Good luck!
      2. k_ply
        k_ply 27 August 2014 15: 00
        +1
        Adored by me AKM, do not blame me.
    2. Dinko
      Dinko 15 September 2014 12: 23
      -1
      What other tests? If balanced automation did not give any advantages, then no one would have tested it at all! Well, as for the AN-94, I would sincerely wish you to fight this miracle with weapons. It is because of its complexity beyond the special forces of the GRU AN-94 did not go. Yes, and its quantity there is not large.
  • StrategBV
    StrategBV 21 August 2014 09: 48
    -9
    The warrior already at the prototype stage, turned out to be an unsuccessful development. It does not provide the necessary armor protection, has an unreasonably high mass, and in terms of functionality (reasonableness) it loses significantly to its American-European counterparts. The same German kit of a universal soldier has a significantly lower mass (ceramic body armor of the fifth class of protection weighing only 5,5 kg). Even Belarusians not only develop ceramic armor, but also deploy it in the troops (many units of the Belarusian special forces have such body armor in service). The near future is for ceramics, and ours, they are all thinking about metal plates. angry
    And the AK-12, to be honest, before the release, was weaker than the competition. Not a removable barrel and lack of multi-caliber, create a gap in advance in the attractiveness of this model, you need to create the best weapon, and not a weapon trying to catch up with competitors, while trying, it is very sluggish. fellow
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 21 August 2014 10: 32
      +9
      Quote: StrategBV
      ceramic body armor of the fifth protection class weighing only 5,5 kg

      Dear what are you reading?
      The company also developed a smaller armor - only 2,5 kg per 1 sq. meter. Such armor is able to protect the chest, back and sides of a soldier in protection class 6A
      For your information, ceramics withstands one or two hits, after which it simply collapses and for this it is not necessary that they hit the platinum at close range. there are enough ordinary fragments. Take, for example, the "dragon skin" that the Americans advertised, so the soldiers who acquire these armor write letters from the other world.
      Quote: StrategBV
      Not a removable barrel and lack of multi-caliber, create a gap in advance in the attractiveness of this sample,

      Tell me please, why a replaceable barrel and especially multi-caliber? You can predict in advance the combat conditions where you can use these features? Or will the whole army consist of special forces? For your information, the emphasis is on the reliability of weapons in combat conditions and the degree of development of these weapons by personnel.
      1. yehat
        yehat 21 August 2014 11: 13
        +2
        Quote: Timeout
        For your information, the emphasis is on the reliability of weapons in combat conditions and the degree of development of these weapons by personnel.

        it would be great if the leadership of the army included in the term reliability not only the ability to "shoot", but also a high opportunity to hit.
        And for this we need not a warrior and not only a rifle, but also a banal strengthening of the quality control of manufactured cartridges, as well as a radically different level of informing soldiers.
        1. Altona
          Altona 31 August 2014 14: 33
          0
          Quote: yehat
          it would be great if the leadership of the army included in the term reliability not only the ability to "shoot", but also a high opportunity to hit.

          ------------------
          In combat conditions, it is not always possible to use aimed fire from a shelter, usually there is a need simply for barrage fire - when changing position, say, for cover ... Special trained people usually engage in aim fire - snipers, machine gunners and others with longer guns equipped with advanced sights and equipped positions ...
      2. Kir
        Kir 22 August 2014 22: 47
        0
        Ceramics for your information withstands one or two hits, after that it simply collapses and for this it is not necessary that they hit the platinum point blank.

        I fully support it, and the vaunted Austrian sapper armors are only good for clearing mines with shellless and unloaded explosive devices, the 5 kopecks of theirs are only good for demining shell-less and unloaded explosive devices, only the "fabric" holds the fragments, by the way, you can also remind the dispute about where is the best booking on Ka, or Mi cars, you should read which is better metal or ceramic armor.

        In order not to write a few posts, I would like to remind you that there should already be armor based on cryo-processed plastic, as Academician Platae once said in a cuirass made of such plastic, you can swim like in a saved vest.
    2. Dinko
      Dinko 21 August 2014 10: 43
      +4
      My dear Ratnik includes ceramic body armor 6B45, which belongs to the 6th class of protection and surpasses American and German counterparts in terms of plate survivability. supply of ammunition and spare parts.
      1. Koresh
        Koresh 26 August 2014 16: 02
        +2
        Here is the outfit of the special forces of the future)
    3. insafufa
      insafufa 21 August 2014 11: 17
      +1
      If you talk about special forces, then AK 12 is not for him, but for the mass fighter who until then had only a toy machine in his hands
      Ceramics has its drawbacks and advantages as well as the metal future for composites
      I agree that the warrior is not very thought out and not suitable for specialists, but for an ordinary infantryman, it will still be better to have a pouch from the Second World War
  • intsurfer
    intsurfer 21 August 2014 09: 53
    +1
    Why are all the soldiers without gloves on all the pictures ?!

    Threat in the last photo of a soldier trying to catch a satellite signal in the room? :)
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 21 August 2014 18: 23
      +2
      Quote: intsurfer
      Threat in the last photo of a soldier trying to catch a satellite signal in the room? :)

      Comments are written on. smile
    2. Taga
      Taga 22 August 2014 11: 52
      0
      The menu is exploring ...
  • intsurfer
    intsurfer 21 August 2014 09: 59
    0
    here still found:

    At the same time, a set of combat equipment will be transferred from one soldier to another, until it is subject to cancellation.


    did they even collapse from oak ?!
    1. Praetorian
      Praetorian 21 August 2014 11: 20
      0
      Do not say that you are so naive and thought that they would be issued by new ones from the warehouse to each new warrior, given its cost. Old cheap lumps passed from hand to hand, and you're talking about a combat kit. I do not think that this is some kind of discovery, taking into account the specifics of our armed forces.
      1. intsurfer
        intsurfer 21 August 2014 11: 26
        +1
        Yes, I naively believed that in the 21st century uniforms should be individual. Any foot fungi, etc. sores will spread with the speed of the epidemic. It is unlikely that the berets will be boiled ...
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 21 August 2014 17: 16
          +4
          Everything must be dry cleaned before proceeding.
          from soldier to soldier. And unloading and armor and helmets.
          It stinks of chemistry after that, but there are no germs and fungi.
          1. Ayujak
            Ayujak 22 August 2014 12: 29
            +2
            And allergies may appear. With the current ecology of allergy sufferers, there are many.
          2. Altona
            Altona 31 August 2014 14: 43
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Everything must be dry cleaned before proceeding.
            from soldier to soldier. And unloading and armor and helmets.
            It stinks of chemistry after that, but there are no germs and fungi.

            ----------------------
            For example, I believe that clothes should be new - a tunic, a jacket and trousers ... As for armored vehicles and helmets, they themselves must undergo chemical treatment and receive new fabric covers for a new user, old rags for disposal ... For a helmet, you can also to provide a hygienic liner with Velcro type "petal" in the image of a Jewish kippah ... Well, this is my speculation, maybe these ideas have already been tried and discarded, I don't know ...
  • erased
    erased 21 August 2014 10: 04
    0
    Well, if you already started thinking about the equipment of a new type - well. However, the Warrior has not yet been completed, and what is more unpleasant - only 50 thousand pieces per year. The army seems to be a million, well, albeit smaller and not everyone needs such equipment. However, it’s still long. However ... presses - they will begin to rivet and more.
    1. yehat
      yehat 21 August 2014 11: 16
      +1
      the army is about 300 thousand. there will be no pilots, tankers, anti-aircraft gunners, etc. drag it, so 50 thousand warriors, in principle, is quite an impressive number, but there is one thing - will the warrior be in stock or in use? it all comes down to a fucking super-economy.
      Even if the toad presses on the production of normal cartridges.
  • Kimblee
    Kimblee 21 August 2014 10: 07
    +3
    Ever since the days of the Evil Empire, we focused not on the infantry, but on the missile forces. It's nice to see that we're trying to fix something, to catch up somewhere, but I must admit
    from Western ,, colleague ,, we are behind.
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 21 August 2014 10: 18
    +4
    Such armor is able to protect the chest, back and sides of a soldier in 6A protection class. In general, such an armored set can provide a soldier with protection even from getting from under-barrel grenade launchers or fragments of RGD grenades

    Either I am like this, or skis don’t go ... Does the 6 class armor already have to protect against SVD bullets with a heat-strengthened core, and what are the fragments of the RGD that should stop with 1-2 bulletproof vest of protection class?
    A jumble of some kind of article, a lot is mixed, but there are a lot of mistakes.
    1. corn
      corn 21 August 2014 10: 58
      +1
      I drew attention to one more phrase "... from being hit from under-barrel grenade launchers ...", and still the authors (not only of this article) do not cease to get confused in concepts (quote from the article "the summer uniform will have 2 owners) a set of protective summer clothing is not a form of clothing, like a bulletproof vest and a pouch for something.
    2. yehat
      yehat 21 August 2014 11: 18
      0
      Quote: inkass_98
      what have the fragments of the RGD, which should stop with bulletproof vest 1-2 protection class?

      perhaps this meant an increase in the area covered by the armor, for example, the sides.
  • Wiruz
    Wiruz 21 August 2014 10: 46
    0
    Gentlemen, you already decide, someone Warrior called the fifth generation equipment
  • Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 21 August 2014 10: 46
    0
    In the photo: SVD-S is on the safety catch, why then keep your finger "on the descent"? ..
    1. intsurfer
      intsurfer 21 August 2014 11: 19
      0
      posing;) and the squeezed left eye - does not bother? :)
    2. bullet
      bullet 21 August 2014 11: 26
      0
      The photo is not SIDS, pay attention to the stock with individual adjustments in length and height, Picatinny rail on the receiver cover, standard bipod mount ...
      1. intsurfer
        intsurfer 21 August 2014 11: 29
        0
        the more I look at that photo, the more jambs on that photo - compare the length of the pouches with the length of the store. :)

        And Velcro pouches - who came up with such nonsense for the military ?! They creak when opened.
        1. Altona
          Altona 31 August 2014 14: 38
          0
          Quote: intsurfer
          And Velcro pouches - who came up with such nonsense for the military ?! They creak when opened.

          -------------------
          This is not the worst thing, "Velcro" tend to clog with dirt and "loose", stopping their adhesion ... Therefore, Velcro is more appropriate to use on clothes that do not go into battle, or for attaching insignia, which are often not removed. ..
      2. k_ply
        k_ply 24 August 2014 18: 51
        +1
        SVD-S, the rest (butt, bipod, "picatinny") - fittings.
  • Dinko
    Dinko 21 August 2014 11: 05
    +1
    In my opinion, the main drawback in Ratnik is that his face and neck are too open. This idea is much better and more efficiently worked out in the FSB shnoy Legionnaire! Also, the cartridge for the SVD and Pecheneg because of its edge has long been outdated. On the SVD put Picatinny rail on the cover of the receiver and the forend as it was old and wretched, it remained as if the sniper did not need pre objective nozzles and various LCs and lights that were installed on the forearm.
    1. intsurfer
      intsurfer 21 August 2014 11: 21
      +4
      But why does a sniper need a laser and a flashlight? ;)
    2. MaxSanbl4
      MaxSanbl4 21 August 2014 11: 29
      +3
      Hmm ... maybe about the flashlight on the forend for the sniper you got excited?
      1. Victor-cort
        Victor-cort 21 August 2014 14: 25
        +1
        Quote: MaxSanbl4
        Hmm ... maybe about the flashlight on the forend for the sniper you got excited?

        SVD sniper is only by our standards, by foreign it is "Marksman" that is, a weapon of the squad - platoon level. In the USSR, they understood this, and therefore it even has a bayonet knife. So the lantern is right there too.
  • scout
    scout 21 August 2014 11: 12
    0
    Quote: erased
    However ... presses - they will begin to rivet and more.

    oh, I don’t want to squeeze. Better, slowly, little by little ...
  • SIROP73
    SIROP73 21 August 2014 11: 42
    -2
    It is assumed that within 5 years the Russian Armed Forces will completely switch to new equipment. The first mass deliveries of the kit to the Russian army are planned for October, each year the Russian armed forces will receive 50 “Warrior” kits.
    5 * 50000 = 250000 sets
    The military forces of the Russian Federation
    Draft age from 18 to 27 years
    Conscription 12 months
    Taken in the army 766 (fifth in the world)
    Stock: 700
    True, if we exclude the rear units and headquarters, then maybe that's enough, but our mentality is such that, first of all, the "Ratnik" will be acquired by the staff officers to hunt, and what remains will end up in the troops.
  • Hius
    Hius 21 August 2014 12: 22
    0
    I would like to hear opinions on the change No. 3 to GOST R 50744-95

    http://protect.gost.ru/v.aspx?control=8&baseC=6&page=6&month=2&year=2013&search=
    &RegNum=1&DocOnPageCount=15&id=173583&pageK=5BD30C6F-59EE-4CE9-91A5-2308833775FD


    It turns out that what was the 6th class of defense becomes 5m (from July 1, 2014), and the 6th class armor should protect the fighter from a 12,7x108 bullet from 50 meters. Is it generally possible at the moment or in the near future - to protect from a bullet fired from OSV-96 from fifty meters?
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 21 August 2014 15: 21
      0
      theoretically (I repeat, only theoretically) - to absorb 16-17 thousand. some reinforced plate is capable of joules. But the barring effect on the soldier, the weight and dimensions of the plate itself ... I do not think that at the moment it is real (without a significant reduction in the mobility and combat effectiveness of the soldier).

      By the way, the issue of price is also important: I hope everyone understands - none "fundamentally new materials "there and does not smell, no one will give a soldier an armor made of carbon nanotubes, with inserts of ultra-light nano-polymer coated with platinum xenonide monocrystals.
      No, they will give something simpler, and from the declared list of 50 options they will put on service at least 20, and the soldiers will wear it in turn, because God forbid, they will buy it, and announcements on the Internet about "selling straight from the warehouse" will appear in the same day...
      Such is the bargain, and we can’t get anywhere from it.
  • wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 21 August 2014 12: 46
    +3
    In general, the very idea that in the first place it is necessary to equip the fighters themselves with the appropriate equipment and protection equipment is positive.
    But the terms of operation given in the article are puzzling. All these things, by any means, will be torn in the field and such a service life is simply unrealistic (at least for the summer field uniform, for sure).
    Socks, too, are they going to be "inherited"?
  • srelock
    srelock 21 August 2014 13: 02
    0
    The company also developed a smaller armor - only 2,5 kg per 1 sq. meter. Such armor is able to protect the chest, back and sides of a soldier in protection class 6A.


    The figures are kind of fantastic ... And where does the FORT Technology CJSC?
    Bullet-proof vest 6b43 is produced by TEKHINKOM (http://frontkit.spb.ru/)
  • DesToeR
    DesToeR 21 August 2014 13: 16
    +1
    Hmm, so much has been said about Ratnik, "but things are still there" ... How long can you test him. Give a massive batch to the troops, and not 50 thousand per year, but at least 500 thousand per year. Further refine as much as you like - "platform" is like an open configuration. Here they calculate how many servicemen are in Russia, but does anyone think about the mobilization reserve? In 5 years, 250000 sets will be released. And if tomorrow is war and mobilization, let's say 3-5 million. man, what will we equip? AK in hand and mabutu from the warehouse?
    Surprised by an improvement in accuracy by 1,5 times - is that an optical sight (or a collimator) that comes standard with equipment? By the way, what kind of machine is still included in the Warrior kit?
    I wanted to ask knowledgeable people: in Russia camouflage is not going to change? Already very dark is that on the Warrior.
  • Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 21 August 2014 13: 24
    0
    Quote: bullet
    The photo is not SIDS, pay attention to the stock with individual adjustments in length and height, Picatinny rail on the receiver cover, standard bipod mount ...

    1) Butt can be changed
    2) Most likely, this is an "adapter" from a "dovetail" to a bar
    such
    3) Mount for bipod can be found


    Well, the "closed left eye" is out of habit ... :)
    1. bullet
      bullet 21 August 2014 14: 57
      0
      But you must admit that this will not be full-time SIDS (6B3) ???
  • Aslan
    Aslan 21 August 2014 13: 28
    0
    and the helmet is the same campaign, shameful, to protect the crown of the head.
  • SmileSimple
    SmileSimple 21 August 2014 23: 17
    0
    although I don’t like the USA, they are good with technology and money. I read that American soldiers in order to ensure the operation of communications / sights / target designators / computers / ... during 8 hours of work, you have to take 3x multiple batteries - i.e. instead of armor plates they put batteries in the discharge!

    alas, in fact "our" electronics is eating more and most likely the WARRIOR has problems with power supply. Nowhere do they write how long the batteries will last to ensure the operation of all mounted electronics. About a year ago, there was a task for developers to increase the capacity of batteries by 4-6 times. Oh, I doubt the result ...

    I don’t want our soldiers to repeat the "American" experience and carry 3-5 kg ​​of batteries on them.
  • zakidon73
    zakidon73 24 August 2014 02: 56
    -2
    The truth is great when Yudashkin does not design the form !!!
    1. Kir
      Kir 24 August 2014 16: 44
      0
      Forgive me, of course, But Yudashkin was simply and brazenly made extreme, I advise you to find his interview where he clearly and reasonably talks about how the reality was. And by the way, where did people look when wearing uniform when they gave such an order to a Fashion Designer?
  • tchoni
    tchoni 24 August 2014 10: 28
    0
    Under such a set of field uniforms and a fighter must be sharpened .... I somehow hardly see an conscript in such a set (in any case, this will be using the capabilities of the set of percentages by 30-40)
  • Nikoha.2010
    Nikoha.2010 31 August 2014 14: 31
    +2
    I read all the comments. I won't talk about the trunks, but two words about the combat gear. Enough from Yudashkin and Kozhugetovich to take the form. Go to the troops, forgive the VVshniks, krapovikov, reconnaissance of the Airborne Forces, it does not matter how and in what they fight. I am silent about gloves and glasses ... Go to the "people", the developers are fucking!
  • special
    special 1 September 2014 23: 12
    0
    Quote: intsurfer
    here still found:

    At the same time, a set of combat equipment will be transferred from one soldier to another, until it is subject to cancellation.


    did they even collapse from oak ?!

    Well, why ... The equipment will go along the line of the engineering service, and they will transmit to each other, like camouflage in the early 90s ... Madhouse! fool
  • Dimetrodreamer
    Dimetrodreamer 6 September 2014 11: 23
    -1
    Ha ... no wonder she's a copy of American
  • alex shnajder
    alex shnajder 21 September 2014 19: 31
    0
    helmets are small, ears are naked ..... why?
  • Alex16051978
    Alex16051978 19 January 2015 09: 25
    0
    In general, nothing is even very nothing.