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“To insult a great power must respond adequately”

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“To insult a great power must respond adequately”


Often, the non-use of force leads to fatal consequences.

In Berlin, negotiations took place between the heads of the foreign ministries of Russia, Germany, France and Ukraine. Judging by the vague and rather meager media reports, there was no political breakthrough in the Ukrainian crisis.

A member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, Vyacheslav Tetekin, especially for KM.RU, assessed the effectiveness of diplomatic consultations regarding the situation in Novorossia.

Diplomacy will work only at the final stage.

- To count on the fact that a meeting of diplomats will help resolve the conflict between Kiev and Novorossia would be naive. The matter has gone too far, the victims are so huge that it is impossible to quickly solve the problem. Kiev insists that Donetsk and Lugansk are its territory, rebels and separatists are there, and prefers to destroy them by force. weapons. New Russia resolutely insists on the right of self-determination, which is supported by the results of the referendum, and besides, sacrifices have already been made for the sake of independence.

Thus, the positions of the parties are too far to be settled by diplomatic means. Experience has shown that in the case of major armed conflicts, diplomats enter into action only when it is clear who is winning. Military and economic factors will be crucial, and diplomacy will work only at the final stage. Now there is a stubborn struggle, the military "swing" swinging one way or the other, and who is winning is unknown.

Against this background, the economic factor also arises, because winter is approaching, gas reserves in Ukraine’s storage facilities are being depleted, and coal is not flowing. When it turns out that Kiev, in spite of its statements, is in fact in a very difficult situation, then negotiations with the help of intermediaries will be productive. There is no hope that something crucial will happen in the coming weeks.

Russia has the moral right to intervene

I recall that NATO waged a war in the Balkans under the pretext of humanitarian intervention. The Americans themselves invented humanitarian disasters and after that with clear eyes found themselves on the territory of the Balkan states. But now a humanitarian catastrophe created by the actions of the Kiev junta, we are talking about the death of thousands and the suffering of hundreds of thousands of people. Russia has the full moral right to intervene in the situation.

We hear talk from all sides that Moscow should not allow itself to be drawn into conflict. But I will express my point of view: force has always been one of the decisive factors. Often, the non-use of force leads to fatal consequences. That is exactly what happened now, and we still received sanctions. Nothing close to the orgy, slaughter and destruction, which already exists in the New Russia, would not be, we use the power. But Moscow still has a chance to assist with military equipment and volunteers.

In addition, the recognition of the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics is necessary. In any case, the mockery that Ukraine has arranged around a humanitarian convoy is completely unacceptable. Russia as a great power has no right to allow it to be treated like this. And they relate to our humanitarian aid in a brazen and cynical way. This is an insult, and a great power must respond adequately to an insult.
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  1. Момент
    Момент 21 August 2014 21: 56
    +69
    "The Ukrainian language was brought from Venus. Ukrainian scientists tell about the history of their state:" The Aryans came from Ukraine, and Genghis Khan was a Ukrainian ... "
    Source - http://serfilatov.livejournal.com/1886129.html
    Something with this schizophrenia should be done in the very near future. It is even difficult to imagine that such nonsense can be carried at all.
    Russia is adequate and acting.
    1. tomket
      tomket 21 August 2014 21: 59
      +18
      Quote: Moment
      and Genghis Khan was Ukrainian ..

      And Fomenko's pharaohs were Russian princes. Well now, sprinkle ashes on your head, or point your finger in the mirror with the words, "Into freaks!"
      1. DV69
        DV69 21 August 2014 22: 37
        +19
        Quote: tomket
        Quote: Moment
        and Genghis Khan was Ukrainian ..

        And Fomenko's pharaohs were Russian princes. Well now, sprinkle ashes on your head, or point your finger in the mirror with the words, "Into freaks!"


        Fomenko is an opportunist. Do not read his nonsense.
        1. DV69
          DV69 21 August 2014 22: 53
          +1
          Quote: DV69

          Fomenko is an opportunist. Do not read his nonsense.


          And who is minus here, and for what? Clarify please.
          1. rodevaan
            rodevaan 22 August 2014 10: 42
            0
            - When some pluses are not interesting! No one pisses with boiling water, no one is indignant. And so - like some kind of variety!
          2. pvv113
            pvv113 22 August 2014 10: 47
            +7
            Probably Fomenko and minus wink Here, some people put a minus for the sake of a minus, and the rest begin to minus for the company. So do not be discouraged, I also had this - brought a link with negative information, so they minded me, as if it was my fault hi
            1. rodevaan
              rodevaan 23 August 2014 06: 20
              0
              - Don’t you care? :)) Minus or plus? I’m personally personally on the drum ...
          3. grandfather_Kostya
            grandfather_Kostya 22 August 2014 13: 35
            +2
            Minus the one who read Fomenko himself, and not just the comments about his books by others such who have never read him.
        2. vell.65mail.ru
          vell.65mail.ru 22 August 2014 06: 03
          +15
          Now it is realistic to bring peace to Novorossii_recognize the republics and introduce peacekeeping forces. In any case, to improve the situation, Russia's actions will be considered illegal by the views of the United States, and sorry for such a compliment towards "friends", prostitutes of the States, they cannot be called otherwise.
          1. zzz
            zzz 22 August 2014 08: 07
            +8
            Quote: vell.65mail.ru
            Now it is realistic to bring peace to Novorossii_recognize the republics and introduce peacekeeping forces. In any case, to improve the situation, Russia's actions will be considered illegal by the views of the United States, and sorry for such a compliment towards "friends", prostitutes of the States, they cannot be called otherwise.

            It is impossible! First you need to squeeze at least Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Odessa ... The ports must be ours, and the Dnieper must supply water to the Crimea.
            1. Vladimir K.
              Vladimir K. 22 August 2014 10: 55
              +13
              It's easy to say. As soon as the DPR and LPR militias achieve more or less serious successes and drive the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Nazis away from their land, Kiev will raise such a howl to the backing vocals of the entire "civilized" community about the need for a truce and negotiations that at least shut your ears. The Americans will not sit and watch, occasionally imposing sanctions and swearing from different tribunes as such a fat piece floats away from them to their geopolitical enemy. Now, ideally, to expel, securing the status quo by some international relations that de facto recognize the existence of Novorossia, from the territory of the former Donetsk and Lugansk regions of the punitive forces and begin, on the eve of winter, equip a peaceful life there - the rest of the Hohland will not survive winter - it will fall apart into atoms, which in the measure of their preferences will begin to be nailed to larger territorial entities. Left-bank Ukraine, one way or another, I am sure will return under the wing of Russia - with the rest of the question, but you should not include in the composition of Novorossia (or Russia - how it will come out) territorial entities in which the overwhelming majority of the population will not be healed from the fever of Russophobia - where blood will not help and heavy losses, there must be finalized physical deprivation in the form of hunger, cold and poverty, although the latter must be backed up by properly delivered propaganda, which will bring the TRUTH about the real culprits of the population's suffering to empty heads through empty stomachs.
              1. 97110
                97110 23 August 2014 10: 53
                +1
                Quote: Vladimir K.
                Now, it would be ideal to drive out the status quo by certain international relations recognizing the de facto existence of Novorossia from the territory of the former Donetsk and Lugansk regions of punishers and begin to build peaceful life there before the winter - the rest of the winter hohland will not survive
                - I agree completely. In my opinion, this is what the GDP is achieving.
                Quote: Vladimir K.
                It is not necessary to include in the composition of New Russia (or Russia - how it will turn out) territorial formations in which the overwhelming majority of the population will not be healed from Russophobia fever - where blood and heavy losses do not help, physical deprivations in the form of hunger, cold and poverty should be finalized there, though the latter need to be supported by properly delivered propaganda

                I agree, especially with "correctly delivered propaganda." And to do this, connect word of mouth, make our "soldiers' mothers", who were destroying their own army, to redeem their guilt, working closely with the Ukrainian women. It is not for nothing that folk wisdom says that "the night cuckoo ...". All the same, the Nazis are only useful in the form of organic fertilizers, and the rest of the men will not do anything against their wives - as a married man has repeatedly stated.
            2. Albus
              Albus 22 August 2014 13: 48
              +1
              Quote: zzz
              Quote: vell.65mail.ru
              Now it is realistic to bring peace to Novorossii_recognize the republics and introduce peacekeeping forces. In any case, to improve the situation, Russia's actions will be considered illegal by the views of the United States, and sorry for such a compliment towards "friends", prostitutes of the States, they cannot be called otherwise.

              It is impossible! First you need to squeeze at least Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Odessa ... The ports must be ours, and the Dnieper must supply water to the Crimea.


              It is time to introduce forces from the month of May, but apparently we are waiting for the first cistern of blood of the residents of Donbass, and even when, after a rain on Thursday, the eyes of the world community will open.
              1. Valentine77 64
                Valentine77 64 22 August 2014 21: 25
                +1
                It is worth arguing historically. Autumn and winter are faithful companions.
            3. prio124
              prio124 22 August 2014 15: 57
              +2
              Well, there is logic in this. Only in war everything is not always logical. Ordinary people and children are dying. My wife is watching the news and crying. HER mother "zapadenka" broke up with her relatives in her youth and did not communicate afterwards, because her husband was Russian and even then it was problematic to come with "kats.apom".
          2. prio124
            prio124 22 August 2014 15: 54
            +2
            In any case, we will receive sanctions. But if you receive, then you know for what. Meriki needs a war. Or "kirdyk" is not far off. As long as RUSSIANS living on RUSSIAN LAND, by "misunderstanding" have become the state-m of UKRAINE, for us, you need to make every effort to gain independence.
            1. 97110
              97110 23 August 2014 11: 01
              0
              Quote: prio124
              While RUSSIANS living on RUSSIAN LAND, by "misunderstanding" have become the state-m UKRAINE, for us,

              Where do you get the information about the Russians who are for us YET? When they remember that they are RUSSIAN and will be FOR US, there will be no need to make efforts to get them independence. And while they "walled up cars in garages" and dream that someone would win and peace would come, "maximum efforts" from our side are perceived, including from their submission, as aggression and violation ...
        3. andj61
          andj61 22 August 2014 06: 13
          +21
          Quote: DV69
          Fomenko is an opportunist. Do not read his nonsense.

          No Fomenko is an opportunist. He is an academician, applied mathematician. About 30 years ago, the task arose - to establish, according to the boundary conditions in mythology (the Bible), a possible date for the historical event of the birth-death of Jesus. He did not succeed 2000 years, but about 1000 ago. They smacked. Further, according to the position of planet stars in the drawings of Egyptian burials, they tried to calculate the date of death of a number of pharaohs. Again we got dates that are several millennia closer to today. Then we explored other artifacts like engravings, drawings. Again, it didn’t work out with dating.
          On the basis of this, we checked how the dating of events took place in the current written history. It turned out that ALL modern historiography is based on the works of Scaliger-Pettavius ​​- 16-17 centuries. Scaliger, being an astrologer and numerologist, used these sciences, and not history and archeology, to date - exactly - the birth of Christ. Having set the date, further historical events filled the centuries quite freely. As a result, the concept of "dark ages" emerged in Europe, when historical events, chronicles, etc. was not enough for 800 years - but they tried to stretch them out - and something worked out.
          At first, many were outraged by this, Newton, for example, but the church supported it - and everyone is used to it, they perceive it as a given.
          Fomenko, and especially Nosovsky, has a lot of quirks when, not being experts, they "refute" the historically established facts. But their merit is that they showed the flawedness of modern historical dating, which is actually based on data from pseudosciences.
          1. Su24
            Su24 23 August 2014 22: 39
            0
            Quote: andj61
            Quote: DV69
            Fomenko is an opportunist. Do not read his nonsense.

            No Fomenko is an opportunist. He is an academician, applied mathematician. About 30 years ago, the task arose - to establish, according to the boundary conditions in mythology (the Bible), a possible date for the historical event of the birth-death of Jesus. He did not succeed 2000 years, but about 1000 ago.



            I don’t understand and for THIS text 25 people like it ?? Does the site really see so many freaks?
        4. atos_kin
          atos_kin 22 August 2014 17: 10
          0
          Quote: DV69
          Fomenko is an opportunist. Do not read his nonsense

          "What is your evidence?" His work is more useful than your instructions.
      2. mad
        mad 22 August 2014 01: 06
        +7
        Quote: tomket
        And at Fomenko the pharaohs were Russian princes.

        But Fomenko's nonsense did not enter history books and he is not hammered into the younger generation.
        1. DV69
          DV69 22 August 2014 01: 10
          +1
          Quote: mad
          Quote: tomket
          And at Fomenko the pharaohs were Russian princes.

          But Fomenko's nonsense did not enter history books and he is not hammered into the younger generation.


          And that is great.
          1. papik09
            papik09 22 August 2014 03: 12
            -4
            Quote: DV69
            Quote: mad
            Quote: tomket
            And at Fomenko the pharaohs were Russian princes.

            But Fomenko's nonsense did not enter history books and he is not hammered into the younger generation.


            And that is great.

            And do not forget that Fomenko is a KOMIK, and not a "historian", therefore, the "pharaohs-princes" are SURE that this is "in opposition" to Chingiz Khan - dill tongue
            1. pan_nor
              pan_nor 22 August 2014 05: 26
              +7
              Fomenko academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
        2. Igor F.
          Igor F. 22 August 2014 05: 31
          +4
          But in Ukrainian textbooks on his history, this nonsense is full! And this is taught to the younger generation ... And the fact that the ancient Ukrainians dug the Black Sea is also a "historical fact".
      3. Leonidych
        Leonidych 22 August 2014 05: 13
        0
        and who is fomenko?
        1. aleks700
          aleks700 22 August 2014 05: 26
          +7
          and who is fomenko?

          Nikolay Fomenko. Group Secret. The guys sing great. Have a sense of humor. There is still some A. V. Fomenko, but who knows?
    2. Sterlya
      Sterlya 21 August 2014 22: 02
      +5
      Foreign Ministry of Ukraine? laughing This is something new for me. laughing
      1. zloybond
        zloybond 21 August 2014 22: 47
        +18
        do not care where the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine came from, where the Genghisan arrived with Fomenko. QUESTION ONE: recognize New Russia and the point.
        1. severniy
          severniy 21 August 2014 23: 21
          +4
          Quote: zloybond
          do not care where the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine came from, where the Genghisan arrived with Fomenko. QUESTION ONE: recognize New Russia and the point.

          everything would be fine, but: July 6, 2014, 20:09
          More than a thousand civilians took to the main square of Donetsk,
          but the comment there: alexander donetsk
          06.07.2014 09:16
          In Donetsk there are only a million inhabitants, and at the rally also from other cities. Even one in a thousand did not attend the rally.
          1. Andriuha077
            Andriuha077 22 August 2014 02: 44
            +3
            Quote: severniy
            went to the main square

            Rallies were before the media era. Now the Referendum is counted, not the party.
        2. Elizabeth
          Elizabeth 21 August 2014 23: 28
          +4
          QUESTION ONE: recognize New Russia and the point.

          And let fascism continue to bloom in full bloom on the remaining territory, which will continue to be called "Ukraine" and the dill will create more and more theories of their greatness and reinforce them with the blood of the Slavs.
          1. severniy
            severniy 21 August 2014 23: 45
            +6
            Lizonka, you are a provocateur ... am
            1. Oldwiser
              Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 32
              0
              We will not strictly judge the lady - they are delicate and sensitive creatures
          2. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 31
            0
            A large piece should be swallowed in smaller portions - then less likely to choke
        3. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 29
          0
          This is our way! "Brevity is the soul of wit"
    3. Evilcat
      Evilcat 21 August 2014 22: 16
      +23
      And let's not discuss where the Ukrainian language came from? It is with all my нdisrespect to Ukrainian scientists. And anyway, let's not mutually insult each other’s language, right? I position myself as a Ukrainian. I am fluent in Ukrainian and Russian. Perhaps even better, claiming to be true Ukrainians or Russians. Do not be offended by either one or the other.
      By the way about history. Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses. Respect yourself.
      1. Oleg Sobol
        Oleg Sobol 21 August 2014 22: 41
        +23
        Quote: EvilCat
        Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses

        Ie, do not study history at all? For all historians write opuses ...? Or maybe it is necessary to separate the wheat from the chaff, among historians, writers, publicists, linguists ... And not just indiscriminately: "I know perfectly," but the rest are "fuckers". And how, then, does your "perfection" differ from theirs? It turns out YOUR statement, nameless, more significant, at least "loshary" already known, at least something, historians and linguists? By the way, Russian is a language, and it has been proven by scholars "suckers" that it is the most ancient, and even Sanskrit is a relative, not a fundamental principle, but Ukrainian Mova is just a dialect, and very young.
        And about not be fooled, so do not be fooled, and respect yourself wink
        1. severniy
          severniy 21 August 2014 23: 25
          -12
          Quote: EvilCat
          And let's not discuss where the Ukrainian language came from? It is with all my нdisrespect to Ukrainian scientists. And anyway, let's not mutually insult each other’s language, right? I position myself as a Ukrainian. I am fluent in Ukrainian and Russian. Perhaps even better, claiming to be true Ukrainians or Russians. Do not be offended by either one or the other.
          By the way about history. Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses. Respect yourself.

          a person on business and from the heart writes ...

          Quote: Oleg Sobol
          Quote: EvilCat
          Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses

          Ie, do not study history at all? For all historians write opuses ...? Or maybe it is necessary to separate the wheat from the chaff, among historians, writers, publicists, linguists ... And not just indiscriminately: "I know perfectly," but the rest are "fuckers". And how, then, does your "perfection" differ from theirs? It turns out YOUR statement, nameless, more significant, at least "loshary" already known, at least something, historians and linguists? By the way, Russian is a language, and it has been proven by scholars "suckers" that it is the most ancient, and even Sanskrit is a relative, not a fundamental principle, but Ukrainian Mova is just a dialect, and very young.
          And about not be fooled, so do not be fooled, and respect yourself wink

          and you have some verbiage ...
          1. severniy
            severniy 21 August 2014 23: 42
            -14
            firstly I am a Russian, secondly I was born in Odessa, thirdly I am married to a "zapadenka", also by the way a Russian woman; and fourthly: regarding "Russian is the most ancient", so with all due respect to Zadornov, stop listening to his nonsense for the origin of all languages ​​from Russian ..., better watch the lectures of real linguists, Professor Zaliznyak for example ..
            1. polkownik1
              polkownik1 21 August 2014 23: 57
              +9
              I prefer REAL academician Likhachev.
            2. Oldwiser
              Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 35
              +1
              Zadornov is in many ways right - indeed, Hindi and Russian are close languages. I definitely say - I was in Bombay (damn Mumbai) - I understood almost everything from street speech.
              1. Albus
                Albus 22 August 2014 14: 00
                +2
                Quote: OldWiser
                Zadornov is in many ways right - indeed, Hindi and Russian are close languages. I definitely say - I was in Bombay (damn Mumbai) - I understood almost everything from street speech.

                If you do not know the Indian language, understand their street speech, then apparently you are a linguistic genius. yes
              2. severniy
                severniy 22 August 2014 18: 44
                0
                Zadornov in linguistics is a complete ignoramus in the full sense of the word ... from his research:
                star-tar-tyr-holes, that is, according to Zadornov, our super old ones are big holes, it’s stupid not to think of anything ... words have been changing for centuries, and have been doing this in groups, and everyone should change in one group, he scolds Fursenko as a layman, and he does the same thing ...
                take a look, figures ...: http://www.mathnet.ru/php/seminars.phtml?option_lang=rus&presentid=5112
            3. Dazdranagon
              Dazdranagon 22 August 2014 08: 54
              -2
              Quote: severniy
              firstly I am Russian
              - Well, at least not UKRONIANIN!
              Quote: severniy
              stop listening to his rubbish for the origin of all languages ​​from Russian ..., look better at the lectures of real linguists
              - i.e. Does the "crust" give them an advantage? And if Mikhail Nikolaevich is just a well-read, self-taught linguist? hi
              1. severniy
                severniy 22 August 2014 18: 35
                -1
                this is science, and a self-taught person, pushing some idea, creates a pseudoscience and thus hinders progress (since now its absolutely "left" version can be referred to) in this area there are no achievements without knowledge, therefore there is no place for self-taught people .., but take a look at lectures. ., minus players, ya hahahh ..
                PS as an example: ours, your Slavic writing is somewhere around 1150 years old, and coins of the Bosporus kingdom with letters date from about 3-5 centuries BC !!!, respectively, the language of the campaign is what, they didn’t have any ..., and the ancients Russ appeared around the 5th century of our era, and had no written language for another three hundred years, four hundred, and your wiki to help you, Alyoshka .., PS.
                and about Dmitry Likhachev, well, a worthy person, and you plus ... only if you know what the thread is about him except his last name ... although if you don’t know that Zaliznyak is also an academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, but unlike L.D.S., who is more an art critic than a philologist, Andrei Anatolich specializes specifically in the section of literature and language .... so no, perhaps minus you .. something like that ...
              2. severniy
                severniy 22 August 2014 20: 16
                0
                yes, urofobia is a mirror disease of Yarosh .. and I am proud that my wife is Ukrainian !!!
                1. Dazdranagon
                  Dazdranagon 25 August 2014 11: 42
                  0
                  Quote: severniy
                  and I am proud that my wife is Ukrainian !!!
                  - But what is it that she is Ukrainian? What is the advantage over Russian? It’s just that my wife’s surname is Ukrainian, but she considers herself Russian and doesn’t want to have anything to do with those who are jumping there and running around second-hand naked ...
      2. va3610
        va3610 21 August 2014 22: 45
        +11
        ... "I speak Ukrainian and Russian perfectly. Perhaps even better, declaring themselves truly Ukrainians or Russians" ... This is where it all begins.
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 36
          +1
          You can’t sit on two chairs, especially when they creep in different directions
        2. Next
          Next 22 August 2014 14: 37
          +2
          No dear. It begins with everything about the moment when the society begins to find out whose origin is ancient, from which language the others originated. Well, in general, someone is thicker. Then historians appear, claiming the exclusiveness of the race. Well, then comes first nationalism and ha him and fascism. By the way about the thicker, there is an old saying that "in the wrong hands (it) is always thicker." So, let's not stoop to language insults. It has nothing to do with it. By the way, I'm Kazakh by nationality. This is so as to exclude, as it were, my bias on this issue. here in the former Ukraine this is exactly what happened. Under Yushchenko, pseudo-historians appeared who gave birth to the "Trypillian culture". So it turned out that all people, at least according to Darwin, descended from monkeys and monkeys from pro Ukrainians.
      3. Alf
        Alf 21 August 2014 22: 50
        +11
        Quote: EvilCat
        Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses. Respect yourself.

        We are not being led. Unfortunately, it was in Ukraine that many people fell for these "historical discoveries", with the corresponding consequences.
        1. tomket
          tomket 21 August 2014 23: 09
          +2
          Quote: Alf
          We are not being fooled.

          Even as we are, although not on such a scale of course.
      4. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 21 August 2014 22: 53
        +3
        I support - the story is very ideologically dependent and therefore it is always interpreted as it is beneficial for those in power
        1. DV69
          DV69 21 August 2014 23: 04
          +4
          Quote: OldWiser
          I support - the story is very ideologically dependent and therefore it is always interpreted as it is beneficial for those in power


          History is not interpreted. It is written in the interests of the authorities. Because this science is ideological and there is no getting away from it.
          1. olegst
            olegst 22 August 2014 00: 49
            +1
            ... to preserve history, it is necessary to shake up the state, as the Jews did, so that the sovereigns do not interfere in it ...
            1. DV69
              DV69 22 August 2014 00: 56
              +2
              Quote: olegst
              ... to preserve history, it is necessary to shake up the state, as the Jews did, so that the sovereigns do not interfere in it ...


              I did not understand what the post was about. clarify please.
              1. Oldwiser
                Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 40
                +1
                The author wants to say that the Jews once had their own state (presumably before the Roman Empire) - and they also lost it
          2. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 38
            0
            History is a collection of facts and their interpretation. Writing history is like "producing facts." The facts have already happened. But you can always evaluate everything in different ways.
      5. Per se.
        Per se. 22 August 2014 00: 36
        +8
        Quote: EvilCat
        And anyway, let's not mutually insult each other's language, right? I position myself as a Ukrainian.
        You can position yourself, anyone, but those who abandon their roots, their history and blood relationship, become degenerates. The trouble is that many Ukrainians have ceased to position themselves as Russians. Having ceased to be a historical part of the Russian world for themselves, such "Ukrainians" invent a story for themselves, sucked from the finger, with new national "heroes" - Mazepa, Petliura, Makhno and Bandera. To respect yourself is to remember that Kiev is the mother of Russian cities, and Kievan Rus is the historical heart of Russia.
        1. VOLOD
          VOLOD 22 August 2014 05: 01
          +1
          MAKNO DO NOT TOUCH. He fought for freedom.
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 41
            +1
            "You can't live in society and consider yourself free from society" Karl Marx
      6. Venier
        Venier 22 August 2014 02: 32
        +6
        I position myself as a Ukrainian.
        This is the trouble. You need to remember your roots, and not position yourself as a representative of a mythical nation.
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 43
          +2
          That's right - the Ukrainian is the one who lives on the outskirts of Russia. A crest is no longer a nationality, but a thieves state of the soul.
      7. papik09
        papik09 22 August 2014 03: 14
        +1
        Quote: EvilCat
        And let's not discuss where the Ukrainian language came from? It is with all my нdisrespect to Ukrainian scientists. And anyway, let's not mutually insult each other’s language, right? I position myself as a Ukrainian. I am fluent in Ukrainian and Russian. Perhaps even better, claiming to be true Ukrainians or Russians. Do not be offended by either one or the other.
        By the way about history. Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses. Respect yourself.

        I am identical. And to you - respect and respect for what is written. drinks
      8. Alexander I
        Alexander I 22 August 2014 06: 04
        +3
        That you own Russian and Ukrainian. Those who studied in Ukraine before, they taught Ukrainian and Russian at the same level at school, and the question is not about the origin of the language. The issue of recognition of Donbass and its rights to. Help is Russia. This help, which stands at the borders, does not seem like PR for the president and his government. They can’t fix anything, they can only destroy and promote.
        1. Next
          Next 22 August 2014 14: 42
          +1
          No, this is not a PR move. Today I went spitting on all the "sticks in the wheels" from ukrohunta
      9. Alan
        Alan 22 August 2014 06: 06
        0
        This is the most sober look. Even in Novorossia, I think there are many people who consider the Ukrainian language to be their own, you should not offend them, in the first place. Laughing at all Ukrainian, we thus, as it was customary to say earlier, "pour water into the mill ......" Giving an extra trump card, so called "Svidomo".
    4. 4952915
      4952915 21 August 2014 22: 35
      +5
      Unfortunately, we have no less, if not more. The most harmless is the arrival of Russ civilizators from Orion .. Just the other day, one character on the site of Starikov N.V. rushed at me with insults for the fact that I do not share the idea of ​​the visit of our ancestors from Orion))) So in this regard, the two versions of folk history stand each other)))).
      1. herruvim
        herruvim 21 August 2014 22: 38
        +13
        If you want, check
        1. herruvim
          herruvim 21 August 2014 22: 42
          +18
          "Russian people need Truth, and they are looking for it, first of all in life" - François de La Rochefoucauld, French moralist writer
      2. Oleg Sobol
        Oleg Sobol 21 August 2014 23: 00
        -4
        Quote: 4952915
        The most harmless is the arrival of Russ civilizators from Orion.

        Do you see yourself, according to Darwin, the crown of creation from a local monkey? And she came from Adam and Eve, according to the Religious serving, during their joint prayers? Or is she, the crooked essence of his crooked rib? Strange, however, Evolution laughing Then consider me a civilizer from Orion laughing
        1. DV69
          DV69 21 August 2014 23: 08
          +15
          Quote: Oleg Sobol

          And do you see yourself, according to Darwin, the crown of creation from a local monkey that occurred through the evolution of amoebas in the ocean? Did she come from Adam and Eve? laughing


          I had a 1 year teacher, so he once said at a seminar literally: "If you think that you descended from a monkey, that's your right. But personally I descended from aliens." By the way, the person was then a candidate of historical sciences.
          Darwin's theory has not yet been confirmed, no matter what the materialists say.
          1. tomket
            tomket 21 August 2014 23: 17
            0
            Quote: DV69
            Darwin's theory has not yet been confirmed, no matter what the materialists say

            In Darwin's theory, at least something explains, and a certain scientific base has been brought up with her. What is the scientific basis of the followers of the theory of Orion?
            1. DV69
              DV69 21 August 2014 23: 22
              +7
              [quote = tomket] [/ quote]
              In Darwin's theory, at least something explains, and a certain scientific base has been brought up for her. What is the scientific basis of the adherents of the theory of Orion? [/ Quote]

              Darwin's theory is far-fetched. For example, where is the "missing link" from which modern man appeared? They have been looking for him since the publication of Darwin's Theory, but they cannot find him.
              And what makes you worse about Orion?
              1. tomket
                tomket 21 August 2014 23: 29
                +1
                Quote: DV69
                "missing link"

                Do you see a gopher? Missing links and "inconsistencies" are found and overcome from time to time. As, for example, with the formation of an electric apparatus in eels in the evolutionary period.
                1. DV69
                  DV69 21 August 2014 23: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: tomket
                  Quote: DV69
                  "missing link"

                  Do you see a gopher? Missing links and "inconsistencies" are found and overcome from time to time. As, for example, with the formation of an electric apparatus in eels in the evolutionary period.


                  Did you know that all the "missing links" found later turn out to be a hoax? And it's not even about aliens from space, it's just that Darwin's theory does not explain the origin of man.
                  1. tomket
                    tomket 21 August 2014 23: 40
                    +1
                    How can it be a hoax, an analogue of the electric eel apparatus found in catfish, in its infancy ???
                    1. DV69
                      DV69 21 August 2014 23: 46
                      0
                      Quote: tomket
                      How can it be a hoax, an analogue of the electric eel apparatus found in catfish, in its infancy ???


                      I talked about the "missing link" in human origins. I am not strong in eels and catfish, I will not argue.
                2. DV69
                  DV69 21 August 2014 23: 40
                  0
                  Quote: tomket


                  By the way, I’m not minus you.
                  1. DV69
                    DV69 21 August 2014 23: 58
                    0
                    Quote: DV69
                    Quote: tomket


                    By the way, I’m not minus you.


                    Well, here for what?
                    Or is it such new fun? Put a minus, and in the quiet, without explanation, left.
                    1. Bayonet
                      Bayonet 22 August 2014 06: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: DV69
                      Put a minus, and in the quiet, without explanation, left.

                      I bet + to spite the "quiet people"! I adhere to another "theory" - a monkey is a lazy, degraded person from an early civilization!
            2. andj61
              andj61 22 August 2014 06: 30
              +1
              Quote: tomket
              In Darwin's theory, at least something explains, and a certain scientific base has been brought up for her.

              What can she explain? An example is the appearance of antlers in deer. The question is, how? and for what?. Horns are not constant, deer periodically drops them, protection against them is not very, and not all year round. Horns cling to trees, they interfere in the forest. Yes, and how to make them grow - from the skull, if the ancestors of the deer - it is proved - there were no horns.
              And so it is in many ways. No wonder there is a figurative comparison - Darwin's theory is a tree with roots and leaves, but without branches.
              In general, our evolution, the evolution of the animal world of the Earth, is similar to a kind of experiment in a biolaboratory. Here very often instantly - by historical standards - new species appear that do not have direct ancestors in living living creatures.
              1. Oldwiser
                Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 48
                0
                genetic engineering from Orion comrades - and no problem!
              2. Next
                Next 22 August 2014 14: 51
                +2
                The explanation is very simple - the antlers of a deer are needed for a show during the mating season, or more simply rutting. Well, the second explanation is for a visual description of some men. There are also explanations why they can reset them. After all, you can get a divorce in the end.
            3. Oldwiser
              Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 46
              +1
              a growing set of facts for which there is no way to give a rational scientific explanation
          2. MAXIMUS
            MAXIMUS 22 August 2014 00: 34
            +4
            Quote: DV69
            Quote: Oleg Sobol

            And do you see yourself, according to Darwin, the crown of creation from a local monkey that occurred through the evolution of amoebas in the ocean? Did she come from Adam and Eve? laughing


            I had a 1 year teacher, so he once said at a seminar literally: "If you think that you descended from a monkey, that's your right. But personally I descended from aliens." By the way, the person was then a candidate of historical sciences.
            Darwin's theory has not yet been confirmed, no matter what the materialists say.


            Perhaps you are both right. We are a product of genetic engineering of highly developed civilizations (Gods) from other stellar systems, the basis of which was taken the most intellectually developed animal on earth - the monkey. Hence the resemblance to the apes (the shape of the arms, legs, hair (coat) in the perineum, in the axillary zone and on the head). Once upon a time, an Albino gorilla lived at the Zoo in Barcelona. The color of her face (muzzle) and palms was no different from ours, but it was an animal without reason. In general, this topic is very extensive and worthy of a separate discussion.
            1. DV69
              DV69 22 August 2014 01: 02
              0
              Quote: MAXIMUS

              Perhaps you are both right. We are a product of genetic engineering of highly developed civilizations (Gods) from other stellar systems, the basis of which was taken the most intellectually developed animal on earth - the monkey. Hence the resemblance to the apes (the shape of the arms, legs, hair (coat) in the perineum, in the axillary zone and on the head). Once upon a time, an Albino gorilla lived at the Zoo in Barcelona. The color of her face (muzzle) and palms was no different from ours, but it was an animal without reason. In general, this topic is very extensive and worthy of a separate discussion.


              So a fan of Zachary Sichin appeared. Good day.
              Although I personally closer interpretation of the origin of man described in the Slavic Vedas.
              1. Artybyrd
                Artybyrd 22 August 2014 09: 53
                0
                Hah) And then supporters of the theory of paleocontact showed up
                Class good And what about the Slavic Vedas, do not enlighten in a nutshell, if not difficult? I will be grateful
                1. DV69
                  DV69 22 August 2014 21: 53
                  0
                  Quote: ArtyByrd
                  Hah) And then supporters of the theory of paleocontact showed up
                  Class good And what about the Slavic Vedas, do not enlighten in a nutshell, if not difficult? I will be grateful


                  What specifically interests?
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 22 August 2014 06: 58
          0
          Quote: Oleg Sobol
          Then consider me a civilizer from Orion

          So, Orion is no longer poured. laughing
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 49
            0
            and to Jupiter and Saturn - too
        3. 4952915
          4952915 22 August 2014 10: 39
          0
          Don't say (and don't write) nonsense. My humble personal opinion is that man was created by God. In general, a matter of taste and personal inclinations - someone believes in God, someone in a monkey, someone in aliens. So I do not consider you a civilizer from Orion, but a personality, with an abundance of "patriotism" (in the style of zadornov-levashovs), but a little offended by the mind.
    5. Dezinto
      Dezinto 21 August 2014 22: 40
      +11


      They are not friends with the head
      1. Consul-t
        Consul-t 21 August 2014 22: 55
        +1
        In addition to not being friends, they seem to smoke.
        Well, what kind of historians are they? ё p r s t
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 49
          0
          and grass mixed with LSD
      2. cat hippopotamus
        cat hippopotamus 21 August 2014 23: 14
        +5
        Shiz specifically mows these ukrohistorikov.
      3. cat hippopotamus
        cat hippopotamus 21 August 2014 23: 20
        0
        Burn you hell bastards!
      4. RusSoldat
        RusSoldat 21 August 2014 23: 32
        0
        Well, bliiiin .. Now you have to wash your ears with holy water .. They’re sick .. how it is on TV let go HOW !?
      5. the villain
        the villain 22 August 2014 00: 41
        +2
        Psaka is resting, laughing right up to tears laughing laughing laughing
      6. antipendos
        antipendos 22 August 2014 02: 23
        +1
        correctly Zhirinovsky said to ukrii not observers and experts, but psychiatrists from all over the world let them study a unique case
      7. Weniamin
        Weniamin 22 August 2014 03: 05
        0
        Guys !! Does anyone know a recipe for a potion that makes them so kumirty, pins, stomps and sausages? It would be good for them to flush our fifth column. Well, purely to raise a patriotic spirit.
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 22 August 2014 08: 50
          +1
          fly agaric alcohol
      8. Next
        Next 22 August 2014 15: 04
        0
        I agree. But, unfortunately, there is a problem. For every Bebik in the former Ukraine, there is at least one Fomenko in Russia. And this is a reason to think. Here it is the beginning of the degradation of the nation. By the way, he is one of the authors of the theory of "Trypillian culture". If you want, you can google it. I warn people with a weakened psyche, suffering from cardiovascular diseases, it is better not to do this.
      9. Alex20042004
        Alex20042004 22 August 2014 22: 28
        0
        Guys, I advise you to look, smiled heartily. And the mood will lift!
      10. kotev19
        kotev19 23 August 2014 12: 44
        0
        How to show? It's a shame to deal with such a semi-idiot! wassat
      11. Mwg
        Mwg 24 August 2014 08: 27
        0
        Yeah, that's true, they flew from Venus. Current recently, in the spring of 2014. The whole composition of the current government. And Tymoshenko gave them a lighthouse for landing. Now in Ukraine there will be Venusian orders. And from Mercury, they are waiting for help from the intergalactic council. And Alpha Centauri hurries to get shale gas from them with proton rigs.
      12. zvědavost
        zvědavost 24 August 2014 13: 05
        0
        Such people are called opportunists. They have always been. Remember Lysenko - Academician of the Academy of Agricultural Sciences. Served certain ideological installations during the time of Stalin. The Germans wrote Russian history under Catherine II. What the ruling elite orders is what they write. History is not science at all, but art. Therefore, love what meets your ideological principles.
        And for centuries, I advise you not to climb at all. Very ugly these ancient and middle ages.
      13. KUKLA
        KUKLA 24 August 2014 19: 54
        0
        good mushrooms! In what forest did he collect?
    6. Russian Uzbek
      Russian Uzbek 21 August 2014 23: 03
      +4
      only Russians and Belarusians do not pretend to Genghis Khan;)
      1. tomket
        tomket 21 August 2014 23: 19
        -1
        Quote: Russian Uzbek
        to Genghis Khan

        Fomenko to Genghis Khan mine and claims to Batu so for sure.
    7. ussr1960
      ussr1960 22 August 2014 03: 11
      +1
      Quote: Moment
      Something with this schizophrenia should be done in the very near future. It is even difficult to imagine that such nonsense can be carried at all.


      This is not schizophrenia and not nonsense. These are good pupils of the Nazi Goebbels mouthpiece.

      "An effective way to convince the masses is to create and repeat lies ... In addition to making them more believable, big lies are backed up with small but often irrelevant facts."
      http://ru.scribd.com/doc/59347932

      The propaganda machine of Ukraine once again proves where the legs grow from dill today. Pupils worthy of their teachers. And fate awaits them ahead.
    8. Leonidych
      Leonidych 22 August 2014 05: 12
      +1
      let them cook themselves in their cauldron, for the amusement of the whole world and for edification of others, especially for Russia and the post-Soviet republics
    9. Vlad Peel
      Vlad Peel 22 August 2014 17: 40
      0
      Need a straitjacket for Kiev authorities. Perhaps winter can become one.
    10. Baemaley99
      Baemaley99 23 August 2014 12: 39
      0
      from Venus, I understand that they brought it with a siphon and a trepak
    11. Su24
      Su24 23 August 2014 22: 32
      0
      We hear talk from all sides that Moscow should not allow itself to be drawn into conflict. But I will express my point of view: force has always been one of the decisive factors. Often, the non-use of force leads to fatal consequences. That is exactly what happened now, and we still received sanctions. Nothing close to the orgy, slaughter and destruction, which already exists in the New Russia, would not be, we use the power. But Moscow still has a chance to assist with military equipment and volunteers.


      The time for helping technicians and volunteers was irretrievably lost, now we should do what was necessary from the very beginning: to introduce an army to Ukraine and overthrow the junta. Putin, send troops!
    12. I am human
      I am human 24 August 2014 18: 09
      -3
      "The Ukrainian language was brought from Venus". The venereal disease has spread throughout Ukraine, now they still have a venereal language ...
  2. Stalker
    Stalker 21 August 2014 21: 57
    +53
    Concerning the "Heavenly Hundred" .... am
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 21 August 2014 22: 00
      +8
      Quote: Stalker
      Concerning the "Heavenly Hundred" .... am

      +100500 ... for nefig am
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 21 August 2014 22: 09
        +2
        Can it not be easier for Him to give them eternal life?
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    3. SeAl2014
      SeAl2014 21 August 2014 22: 54
      0
      That's right.
    4. abdrah
      abdrah 22 August 2014 02: 40
      +1
      There are no longer hundreds of "heavenly" but thousands, if not tens of thousands of accounts .. This is only ukropaganda during the third "mogilization" (!) About 3 with a small 500 reports.
    5. Svarog75
      Svarog75 23 August 2014 05: 31
      0
      Well, these will not let
  3. RUSLAT
    RUSLAT 21 August 2014 21: 58
    +25
    About such calls were before the First World War. How it all ended is known. Now there is no point in bringing troops into Novorossia, victory is near, but help is mandatory, skillfully.
    1. Korvin1000
      Korvin1000 21 August 2014 22: 06
      +7
      Help: at night to distill equipment and people. A lot, otherwise we’ll lose New Russia
      1. kayman4
        kayman4 22 August 2014 04: 09
        +3
        1) If you don’t see the help doesn’t mean that it is not there - Ukrainians have a hard time repairing equipment. enterprises rebuild, while militias in the field. Moreover, parasitism of 1 car at the expense of another will not work here - in the best case, it will turn out a tractor. 2) Who trains the militia and where? 3) Are you sure that the militia command does not use real-time information support from the General Staff? And intelligence. summaries?

        Well, screams about the need to send troops, articles about the fact that the NATO bloc can’t right now - it's just stupid provocations - are pushing us into a trap.
    2. gre4any
      gre4any 21 August 2014 22: 14
      +3
      Carefully, as the GDP says.
    3. DMB-88
      DMB-88 21 August 2014 22: 15
      +9
      Quote: RUSLAT
      victory is near, but help is mandatory, skillfully.


      Victory is still far ....
      Here's what our president can do: stop all commercial activities ukro.oligarchs on the territory of the Russian Federation. Ask the parashenka to politely withdraw the troops from Donbass and under no circumstances "offend" the Russians on the outskirts. RF.
    4. Karabin
      Karabin 21 August 2014 22: 30
      +1
      Quote: RUSLAT
      How it all ended is known.

      A short truce and the capture of Berlin in the 45th.
    5. fiodor
      fiodor 21 August 2014 23: 59
      +9
      + Finally, the first sensible comment, otherwise Genghis Khan was dragged here, the West and Sashiki and Kiev just wait not to wait for the official invasion; they need a real reason, and not delirium fictitious by the Kiev junta, so as not just sanctions, but to unleash a whole war against Russia, therefore, the GDP is far from simple, he understands what this threatens and what ultimately spills out for our country, and you cannot correctly send troops, at least the first, will consider it an invasion, but if someone brings in troops, let’s say, then we have the right to subscribe on the reverse side, but they won’t do anything, they provoke us, no matter how komenty sounds, we will erase everyone and everything, ask yourself if you want war so that Russia fights against half the world? War is a profit only for the United States because it is not in their territory, but if there are mbrs with warheads, they can now be touched, because they don’t put it on hard, they bite it. And we help the militia, some with money, and some with volunteers (and equipment, etc.), otherwise the militia would grow several times in such a short time, it’s a miracle somehow, so there’s no room for panic articles, men are fighting and they need support, both moral and material, and what do you think they don’t get it, but of course they get it, but just to have more often and that’s all, they themselves are not bad at squeezing the equipment, and secretly, for sure, we also have ammunition for something exotic and so on send necessary. I just want to sincerely wish good luck and a speedy victory !!! A lot of ordinary civilians perishing every day would rather have overthrown this Kiev b ... uncle.
  4. assembly
    assembly 21 August 2014 22: 01
    +14
    "the mockery that Ukraine arranged around the humanitarian convoy ..." this is a war of nerves, and while we are winning ... they are raging, we are patiently waiting, and the whole world is watching ... and drawing conclusions (hopefully correct, not quite they are stupid)
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 21 August 2014 22: 32
      +4
      Quote: sborka
      and the whole world observes ... and draws conclusions (I hope they are correct, they are not exactly stupid)

      Not really. And we grow dumber when we expect understanding from the "whole world".
  5. Baloo
    Baloo 21 August 2014 22: 02
    +12
    "Moscow must not allow itself to be dragged into the conflict."

    The dead cannot be resurrected; the crippled cannot return health.
    Ukrainians, whose profession is to defend their homeland, must realize who the enemy of Ukraine is.
    From merikashek and bandits in power comes a threat to Ukraine.
    What kind of independence can we talk about when the head of the SBU is an American spy, each minister has an American deputy?
    And the tsruls occupy an entire floor in the SBU building, and even with a separate entrance from the street.
  6. tomket
    tomket 21 August 2014 22: 03
    +6
    In general, in geopolitical terms, there is only one way out for Russia and Putin, the victory of the militia over the whole of Ukraine. Since in the event of the separation of Ukraine or the victory of Kiev, we get a state on the border, compared with which the Baltic states, well, these are simply the most cordial allies. But Putin’s campaign, a cycle for federalization, which is physically no longer possible, given the level of hatred between the parties.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 21 August 2014 22: 18
      +4
      Quote: tomket
      But Putin’s campaign, cycling on federalization

      Finally, someone knows what he wants, in the end, Putin)).
    2. MilesAth
      MilesAth 21 August 2014 22: 33
      +6
      Initially, yes. But recently, federalization has not been discussed at all. How will the inhabitants of Donbass live under one roof with those who tried to wipe them off the face of the earth ?!
      "Novorossia" is not only Donetsk and Lugansk, it is the entire South-East. And people live there too, Russian in spirit. But what about Kiev - the mother of Russian cities? What about the Transcarpathian Rusyns and Hutsuls? And what about Transnistria and Gagauzia? All these territories do not have to be part of Russia. After all, borders do not interfere with Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
      Of course, a completely different question is how long it will take to implement and in what form it will be possible to implement the plans ... But it will be necessary !!!
      1. tomket
        tomket 21 August 2014 23: 07
        +1
        Quote: MilesAth
        But recently, federalization has not been discussed at all.

        Well, it’s understandable, at the initial stage for Putin, the federalization of Ukraine was more profitable, because the uprising took place only in two areas, instead of at least eight. Therefore, I wanted a whole but neutral Ukraine, than a pro-Russian piece, and an embittered larger piece of Ukraine as an appendage. And in fact for a short period we were at a standstill. And the continuation will probably be so. Taking into account the increasingly frequent reports of Kharkov partisans and movements in Odessa, the fighting will be conducted either until they spread (hence the reason for leaving Strelkov’s media field) to most of the regions, or until they agree with Obama, seeing the stalemate with both sides.
      2. Andrei K.
        Andrei K. 21 August 2014 23: 27
        +1
        How will the inhabitants of Donbass live under one roof with those who tried to wipe them off the face of the earth ?! The question is good, of course. But there is one more. Imagine that the militias will defeat dill and a truce will be announced with the recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR. After the war, everything will be in ruins, a circle of devastation. How will people live and who will restore all for what means? Certainly not Ukraine. Russia? God forbid Russia to pull out the Crimea, but it certainly will not pull the Donbass.
        1. DV69
          DV69 21 August 2014 23: 37
          +2
          Quote: Andrew K.
          How will the inhabitants of Donbass live under one roof with those who tried to wipe them off the face of the earth ?! The question is good, of course. But there is one more. Imagine that the militias will defeat dill and a truce will be announced with the recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR. After the war, everything will be in ruins, a circle of devastation. How will people live and who will restore all for what means? Certainly not Ukraine. Russia? God forbid Russia to pull out the Crimea, but it certainly will not pull the Donbass.


          And where do you get such confidence that it will not pull? And where does Crimea need to be pulled from? Clarify please.
    3. 222222
      222222 21 August 2014 22: 54
      +6
      tomket (1) RU Today, 22:03 PM New
      In general, in geopolitical terms, there is only one way out for Russia and Putin, the victory of the militia over all of Ukraine. "
      ..in RIANEWS in the section actual commentary Ishchenko article on the topic of the meeting of Putin VV on August 26 in Minsk ..
      "No man is an island"
      "In such conditions, the meaning of Vladimir Putin's participation in the event fits into the framework of calming down the CU allies, who are worried about the too drastic change in Russian foreign and economic policy (in principle, nothing can cause more concern for Kazakhstan than the prospect of a close Russian-Chinese military -political and economic union).
      However, the Russian president is alone against a cohesive Euro-Ukrainian front, based on the benevolent neutrality of Kazakhstan and playing along with Belarus. Under these conditions, the negotiating position of Russia will inevitably be subjected to consolidated pressure, and the information picture from the summit may prove far from winning for the President of the Russian Federation.
      The situation can be corrected only by a sharp change in the situation on the fronts of New Russia. Now the militia has practically stopped the advance of the Kiev punishers and is making successful counterattacks of local importance. In this mode, it is quite capable of crushing Kiev by winter, but the success of the militia is still too small to fundamentally affect the course of the Minsk meeting.
      But if the militia managed to break through the punitive front and launch a serious offensive with decisive goals (at least endangering Kharkov), the anti-Russian game in Minsk would be broken, and the players had to quickly delve into the new agenda. ""
      http://ria.ru/analytics/20140821/1020881688.html#14086453921344&message=resize&r
      elto = login & action = removeClass & value = registration # ixzz3B3QkJNRv
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  7. Michael_59
    Michael_59 21 August 2014 22: 03
    +8
    I support. If the army entered the territory of the southeast, not committing war crimes, but destroying war criminals, bringing peace and tranquility with them, saving the lives of the population — its advance would be supported.
    And if I brought borsch in the field kitchens for the locals - so it was possible to reach Poland ...
    Bandera are strong only against the civilian population "to fight", against real force - if only on Facebook ...
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 21 August 2014 23: 02
      +2
      So Ruin only dreams - so that as soon as the war begins he immediately takes and surrenders and then sends himself to himself - well, how could Nenko make friends against a big and evil Russia - and again to our grub for free
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 21 August 2014 23: 24
      +10
      Quote: Michael_59
      Enter the army in the southeast,

      Good, correct, in honor and conscience koment!
      But you can’t act like that! Geopolitics, strategic interests of the state are above emotions! POLICY is called. I will explain, as far as I can, my thought.
      1. Only we would go to Dill, on the other hand the Americans and K * from NATO entered it. Deja vu! Meeting on the Dnieper! (Previously was on the Elbe).
      2. We are the aggressors in the eyes of the whole world. New cold war. The end of our dynamic development. all means would be eaten by the defense industry and the militarization of the whole life of society.
      Quote: Michael_59
      bringing peace and tranquility

      Yes, but only for Novorossia, part of Ukraine, having forever lost the whole country.
      3. But the guerrilla war we would rake in the full scheme. Afghan on Slavic land - the dream of the Anglo-Saxons! This is just what is needed to rock the situation in Russia on the eve of the election.
      4. 18 green lards would be useful for our fifth column. I do not agree - to barricades, to rallies, to actions of civil disobedience ...
      At the same time, you do not at all take into account the degree of propaganda fooling the population of Ukropia, especially young people.
      Quote: Michael_59
      Bandera are strong only against the civilian population "to fight"
      It's true. The Bandera underground (note that in the rank of traitors, accomplices of the fascists, and not national "heroes" fighting Putin for the "independent" Kraina!) Our NKVD and regular military forces were eradicated before 56! Therefore, they and the green forest brothers of the Balts cling to each other.
      5. Well, as for other unfinished wickedness, Americans from all over the world would have collected and shoved Pu to Ukraine into the "fighters against the bloody usurper".
      6. Yes, even a terrorist war would begin on the territory of the Russian Federation.
      7. Against this background, NATO would rally, under the influence of REAL, and not fictional fear.
      8. Ideological and propaganda slop on the head of the authorities would howl (left, right, liberals, democrats, states and K * - all who are not lazy!) So much that in the years of the twentieth century was not! I personally am not sure that in the absence of a coherent state ideology, our society would not split into warring clans fighting each other.
      9. They would launch a project of Z. Brzezinski on the division of the Russian Federation into specific principalities, tearing the country along national lines.
      10. Production would have collapsed by outbidding our fellow travelers ...
      In short, NOT ICE!
      Therefore, VV Putin has only one road: to support the DPR and LPR in their struggle for ALL (!) Ukraine, cleansed by the patriots themselves from Bandera dishonor! The blockade of unlawful decisions of the UN Security Council on the internationalization of the conflict, the threat of the use of force when trying to intervene by force in the dismantling of the civil war of our "partners". And all this should be accompanied by a powerful propaganda campaign against the Western inhabitant! In the spirit of RT.ru. relying on sympathetic, sane, such as Marie Le Pen, for example.
      IMHO.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 22 August 2014 00: 47
        +3
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        1. Only we would go to Dill, on the other hand the Americans and K * from NATO entered it. Deja vu! Meeting on the Dnieper! (Previously was on the Elbe).
        2. We are the aggressors in the eyes of the whole world. New cold war. The end of our dynamic development. all means would be eaten by the defense industry and the militarization of the whole life of society.
        3. But the guerrilla war we would rake in the full scheme. Afghan on Slavic land - the dream of the Anglo-Saxons! This is just what is needed to rock the situation in Russia on the eve of the election.
        4. 18 green lards would be useful for our fifth column. I do not agree - to barricades, to rallies, to actions of civil disobedience ...
        At the same time, you do not at all take into account the degree of propaganda fooling the population of Ukropia, especially young people.

        5. Well, as for other unfinished wickedness, Americans from all over the world would have collected and shoved Pu to Ukraine into the "fighters against the bloody usurper".
        6. Yes, even a terrorist war would begin on the territory of the Russian Federation.
        7. Against this background, NATO would rally, under the influence of REAL, and not fictional fear.
        8. Ideological and propaganda slop on the head of the authorities would howl (left, right, liberals, democrats, states and K * - all who are not lazy!) So much that in the years of the twentieth century was not! I personally am not sure that in the absence of a coherent state ideology, our society would not split into warring clans fighting each other.
        9. They would launch a project of Z. Brzezinski on the division of the Russian Federation into specific principalities, tearing the country along national lines.
        10. Production would have collapsed by outbidding our fellow travelers ...

        Therefore, VV Putin has only one road: to support the DPR and LPR in their struggle for ALL (!) Ukraine, cleansed by the patriots themselves from Bandera dishonor! The blockade of unlawful decisions of the UN Security Council on the internationalization of the conflict, the threat of the use of force when trying to intervene by force in the dismantling of the civil war of our "partners". And all this should be accompanied by a powerful propaganda campaign against the Western inhabitant! In the spirit of RT.ru. relying on sympathetic, sane, such as Marie Le Pen, for example.

        POLICY is called. I will refute as far as I can your thought.
        1.We have already gone to dill (Crimea for the West, just like Novorossia-Ukropovsky) and where is the meeting at Perekop? We almost reached Tbilisi in 2008, so what?
        2. We are already aggressors in "the eyes of the whole world" even without the introduction of troops. Rosstat speaks eloquently about dynamic development, God forbid by the end of the year to pull out growth at least 1 percent.
        3. The partisan war in New Russia?
        4. Our Caspar-German Indians will not give so much. But the patriots themselves will not take.
        5. Now do not pop?
        6. Why is it not after Crimea? Why is she not in response to volunteers in New Russia?
        7. And what is the fear for NATO?
        8. Ideological "slops" are useful for any power from bronze. It is unlikely that their number from the introduction of troops will be different from no introduction.
        9. Well, crap. After 2008 it was necessary to launch. And what would probably also be the "Dulles plan" and "protocols of the Elders of Zion"
        10. There will be no physical production in the South East soon.
        Regarding the powerful propaganda campaign in the West with the help of RT, this is strong. RT everyone is watching wink in the West. And Marie Le Pen is the president of France, someday, in the future. And Novorossia needs help now, and not thieves', at night, but open and comprehensive. That's when we'll talk about the prospects "in their struggle for ALL (!) Ukraine."
        1. ochakow703
          ochakow703 22 August 2014 06: 56
          +1
          Very weak against the Boa KAA.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 23 August 2014 18: 23
          +1
          Quote: Karabin
          I will deny how much I can your thought.

          Dear, let me disagree with you.
          1. Crimea is a native Russian territory. And in the West they know this very well. Moreover, when it became part of the Russian Federation, all the details of the protocol and the law were respected. And they know that too. So, from the formal and essential points of view, nothing shines here for the staff. But! They were counting on bases in the Crimea! And secondly, it is necessary to pit two Slavic peoples to their greatest pleasure ... Russia to tie its hands so that it is not up to Syria and SEA, where new adventures of the Amers will soon unfold.
          2. Regarding the "aggressors". For some reason, it seemed to me, unlike you, that there are more and more people in the world who woke up from the propaganda anesthesia of the Yusers and looked at what was happening with a sober look.
          If they got involved in a military adventure, then even 1% would not exist. And sanctions are good as long as we do not introduce retaliatory ones. Now the mongrels whined about the "incompetence of the Kremlin's response." Many started talking about their imminent cancellation, which is essentially a blow to the EU's trade relations with us, to the Common Market as one of the centers of power. Well, we have to screw up, not without it, of course!
          3. Partisan warfare throughout Ukraine. For if we get involved, so for the liberation of the whole country, maybe we need a friendly democratic ally, and not an angry migrant shortened to the southeast with NATO bases on our territory.
          4. So I didn’t invent it! That Congress of the United States decided. Do you think they will invest them in our defense industry !?
          5. Now, too, but with an eye to obv. opinion. But when our troops entered Ukraine, they themselves would be recruited and delivered to the place. The scale is different!
          6. Commands "not given", and the office works well. But in a different situation, Odessa could have turned, or Volgodonsk.
          7. The Baltic states are already whining that Moscow is preparing their occupation. NATO is expanding its military presence in the Baltic states on an ongoing basis. And what would happen if ours took ALL of the dill!
          8. I’m not sure that a new propaganda war against us would not bring sad results. They would play at national discord, income level of various population groups, etc. The main thing is to raise doubts about the leadership, its goals, the rightness of the matter, and then just come on! 90's experience is available!
          9. Z. Brzezinski replied to Obama: "It was necessary to end with Russia in 91, and now it's too late" - so you are not far from the truth. They will take away Pu, shake the situation, bring down the economy and divide. And perhaps the plan of the Moscow State University will be introduced, for complete clarity. And these are not empty words: the line for the division of the Siberian pantry was set for 2020, according to the estimates of the competent authorities. S. Glazyev - 2016-2018 So, there is no smoke without fire.
          10. I was talking about our, in fact, production, and not about SE.
          Quote: Karabin
          POLICY is called.

          The unforgettable Otto von Bismarck once said: "Politics is the art of the possible," and not your correct "wishes", without taking into account the political realities and the consequences of the decisions made for Russia. Putin, in my humble opinion, is doing everything right, not giving a reason to drag the country into an open confrontation with the West. And what you are proposing, dear, is a direct path to a new Cold War with unpredictable consequences for us. Or do you doubt this in your URYA-patriotic fervor? Well, well ... As one tiger said to another, looking at the new trainer: "We'll chew - we'll see!" hi
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 23 August 2014 18: 41
          +1
          Quote: Karabin
          And New Russia needs help now, and not thieves, at night, but open and comprehensive.

          Right from the emotional and moral point of view. But read at your leisure http://www.stoletie.ru/politika/nikolaj_leonov_politika__jest_iskusstvo_vozmozhn
          ogo_a_ne_zhelajemogo_930.htm
          and answer me, what am I wrong from the state, not the philistine point of view !?
      2. ochakow703
        ochakow703 22 August 2014 06: 53
        +2
        I applaud your thoughts! Everything is absolutely correct. And there is no need to squeal that "everything is lost".
      3. Artybyrd
        Artybyrd 22 August 2014 10: 07
        +1
        I fully support! I thought the other day and it became scary - it would be if all this bloody propaganda machine of the West, all its power, as planned, fell upon Russia ... it’s very scary - a goofy people with blurred reason against the aggressor Putin and all of Russia
  8. Federal
    Federal 21 August 2014 22: 05
    +4
    This confectioner will bring quite a few troubles with his curators.
  9. Stalker
    Stalker 21 August 2014 22: 05
    +13
    HELLO, RIDNA UKRAINE, HELLO MASSIVE PSYCHOSIS !!! A-USA, A-EUROPA, why did you quiet down with a downed Boeing ... Why so suddenly ?. What have you become modest ... Do not be ashamed, share !!! Or only Maidans learned to do?
    1. Delink
      Delink 21 August 2014 22: 11
      +6
      Stalker, did not finish, and shoot at peaceful unarmed people.
    2. Nikaviz
      Nikaviz 22 August 2014 00: 49
      +2
      Asked to pass ..... wassat
  10. sergeybulkin
    sergeybulkin 21 August 2014 22: 08
    +4
    What kind of volunteers for ..... massive carpet bombing is needed and not volunteers, BUT not only cities and sewing factories as it was in the Balkans, but the Nazi troops and their military equipment. The only way.
    1. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 21 August 2014 22: 30
      +5
      Almost everyone who worked 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. still in service, they know how to quickly bring an aggressor to peace. In fact. If the Duma has a gut for recognition of the DPR and LPR, then hold a quick referendum in Russia for the recognition of New Russia, as advised by competent people. It’s good that the Duma is literate there are, and not just former artists, former boxers, former gymnasts, former skaters, old singers, aged chess players, etc.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 21 August 2014 23: 33
        +3
        Quote: AVIATOR36662
        hold a quick referendum in Russia on the recognition of New Russia,

        It will not work with a referendum. Who will collect signatures and when, and they are required a lot? No one needs him, neither the authorities (with the recognition of the DPR and LPR, it would have done without a referendum, and the Duma would not have gone anywhere), nor the old Leontyev Fedorovs and other Izborsk-imperials who can only patriotically flood, but as far as business goes, "Putin is better knows. " Even if there are signatures, it is not a fact that the referendum will reach. An example is the referendum against the WTO.
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  12. Serge Mikhas
    Serge Mikhas 21 August 2014 22: 14
    +3
    Negotiations are necessary in any case, even in order to confirm the clinical diagnosis, which was stupid from frenzied anger, lies and greed of the self-proclaimed, bloody regime. The psychiatrist speaks with his patients ...
  13. Stalker
    Stalker 21 August 2014 22: 16
    +18
    August 21 - Officer's Day! soldier drinks
    Congratulations to all the officers !!! I HONOR !!!!! soldier
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 21 August 2014 22: 22
      +3
      wink The main thing is not from Yudashkin.
    2. vedross
      vedross 21 August 2014 22: 22
      +14
      It has been my dream since childhood! And I achieved it back in 1989. Oryol Higher Military Command School of Communications named after M.I. Kalinin. Happy holiday, men!
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 21 August 2014 22: 39
        +12
        Aleksandr is lucky for you. And I was born without a dream practically in a tank, all my childhood on training grounds and toys - "flies" shot. And I don't regret it!
  14. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 21 August 2014 22: 20
    +11
    Regarding the recognition of New Russia, I agree with the author. And I believe that it will be. Only now this question is a subject of great political bargaining and one does not need, as they say, to climb across the dad into hell.
    But the next calls for the introduction of troops cannot be called otherwise than as a provocation. Only a person very distant from the real situation can say this, not familiar with either politics, military affairs, or real information. And not familiar with the current attitude of the population of Ukraine towards Russia.
    I understand that everyone’s emotions go wild, it’s hard to calmly look at what is happening in Ukraine. But even to drive a car, you first need to get rights, but what about driving a state? And his politics? Maybe enough incompetent opinions? Let us respect the policies and decisions of the Supreme Command.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 21 August 2014 22: 28
      +3
      "Maybe incompetent opinions are enough?"

      And where is the criterion of competent opinion? Personally, I got tired of everything, I sit Kalash stroking, soon in business, at the moment I see the truth in him.
      1. not main
        not main 22 August 2014 00: 50
        +2
        Quote: Barracuda
        "Maybe incompetent opinions are enough?"

        And where is the criterion of competent opinion? Personally, I got tired of everything, I sit Kalash stroking, soon in business, at the moment I see the truth in him.

        And I have only smooth trunks!
      2. Alan
        Alan 22 August 2014 14: 28
        0
        Quote: Barracuda
        Personally, I got tired of everything, I sit Kalash stroking, soon in business, at the moment I see the truth in him.

        Thank you men Russia is alive including you.
    2. 23 region
      23 region 21 August 2014 22: 43
      +5
      Quote: Reserve officer

      Reserve officer


      Today, 22: 20

      ↓ New


      Regarding the recognition of New Russia, I agree with the author. And I believe that it will be. Only now this question is a subject of great political bargaining and it is not necessary, as they say, to climb across the dad into hell. But regular calls for the introduction of troops cannot be called otherwise than as a provocation. Only a person very distant from the real situation can say this, not familiar with either politics, military affairs, or real information.

      And here is what the author of the article wrote in 2012:
      Mr. Putin is trying on his mantle of defender of the Fatherland
      Presidential candidate Mr Putin recently erupted in another program article about how he is going to benefit the country. The article is devoted to an extremely painful topic - the state of the Armed Forces and the military-industrial complex of Russia. Mr. Putin, as always, shows sincere surprise at how bad everything is. Judging by the text, the plight of the army and the military-industrial complex (as, incidentally, of the other spheres of life in Russia) came as a complete surprise to him. As if he was not the Supreme Commander-in-Chief from 2000 to 2008. and is not now the prime minister.
      After all, it is well known that the deindustrialization of Russia, which began during the reign of Mr. Yeltsin, accelerated under Mr. Putin. The electronic industry and instrumentation, the ammunition industry (without which any weapon systems are meaningless) are almost finished off.
      Mr. Putin’s crucial article has a key phrase. He writes enthusiastically: "The Armed Forces - as an employer - are becoming increasingly competitive." That's the whole way of thinking of the candidate for Supreme Commander-in-Chief: the army - as a business project. And if this business goes bankrupt, then that's okay. After all, the current government of the Russian Federation, headed by the prime minister, is an LLC. No, not three zeros. Although this is close to the truth. This is a "limited liability company." Rather, with a complete, in my opinion, lack of responsibility for the country's security.

      V.N. Tetyokin
      member of the State Duma Defense Committee
    3. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 21 August 2014 23: 11
      +1
      Our Western, so to speak, "partners" in dialogue understand only one argument - the power one. This is what it is necessary to present - to demand an unconditional ceasefire and the withdrawal of all ukrovoyaks from the DPR and LPR. In case of refusal to firmly declare the recognition of the DPR, LPR, Novorossia and Transnistria with all the consequences ...
      1. DV69
        DV69 21 August 2014 23: 14
        +3
        Quote: OldWiser
        Our Western, so to speak, "partners" in dialogue understand only one argument - the power one. This is what it is necessary to present - to demand an unconditional ceasefire and the withdrawal of all ukrovoyaks from the DPR and LPR. In case of refusal to firmly declare the recognition of the DPR, LPR, Novorossia and Transnistria with all the consequences ...


        What argument do you mean? Troops to enter? This is not an option. The people living in the territory that used to be called Ukraine must deal with the scum who came to power.
    4. Owl27
      Owl27 21 August 2014 23: 13
      +1
      In recognition, friends could help: Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Argentina and there would be nothing to cover.
      1. DV69
        DV69 21 August 2014 23: 17
        +3
        Quote: Owl27
        In recognition, friends could help: Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Argentina and there would be nothing to cover.


        Now, when they recognize, I mean Nicaragua, Venezuela, Argentina, and then we can talk about it.
        And it will turn out like in 2008. It seems all the allies, but no one supported, even Belarus and Kazakhstan.
      2. CTEPX
        CTEPX 21 August 2014 23: 38
        +1
        Quote: Owl27
        In recognition, friends could help: Abkhazia, South Ossetia

        A long time ago))
        http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1815555.html
        1. DV69
          DV69 21 August 2014 23: 43
          +1
          Quote: ctepx
          Quote: Owl27
          In recognition, friends could help: Abkhazia, South Ossetia

          A long time ago))
          http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1815555.html


          There is a small problem, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia are not recognized by anyone other than us (dwarf states do not count).
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 21 August 2014 23: 49
            +1
            Quote: DV69
            There is a small problem, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia are not recognized by anyone other than us

            What does not prevent these "unrecognized republics" from officially participating in organizing assistance to the militia, incl. military)).
            Therefore, by the way, the lack of official recognition of New Russia by Russia at the moment is uncritical.
            1. DV69
              DV69 21 August 2014 23: 55
              +1
              Quote: ctepx

              What does not prevent these "unrecognized republics" from officially participating in organizing assistance to the militia, incl. military)).
              Therefore, by the way, the lack of official recognition of New Russia by Russia at the moment is uncritical.


              Nothing bothers. And as far as I know, these republics provide such assistance.
  15. Mih
    Mih 21 August 2014 22: 20
    +1
    Against this background, an economic factor arises, because winter is approaching, gas reserves in the storage facilities of Ukraine are depleted, and coal is not supplied.

    Negotiations are needed in any case, even to confirm the clinical diagnosis. fellow
    HELLO, RIDNA UKRAINE, HELLO MASSIVE PSYCHOSIS !!! A-USA, A-EUROPA, why did you quiet down with a downed Boeing ... Why so suddenly? request
    I agree with you. love
  16. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 21 August 2014 22: 23
    +2
    It becomes obvious that the use of force against punishers is inevitable, it is just a matter of time, which is now working in Russia itself to drop the rating of the President and simply drops the weight of Russia as a state in the eyes of those sympathetic - the obvious mockery of Kiev in the issue of humanitarian assistance exceeds all possible limits. I hope that, nevertheless, the Kiev junta will be tried and this is important, not in Moscow - they are not worthy of this, but in Rostov and no later than December, New Russia should meet free 2015.
  17. Kenji
    Kenji 21 August 2014 22: 27
    +10
    It is high time to react to insults from the USA, for example, to free them from the Fuhrer Obama.
  18. Sergeqr
    Sergeqr 21 August 2014 22: 29
    +3
    React.
    They help.
    Victory will be with us.
    With Russia and New Russia.
  19. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 21 August 2014 22: 30
    +4
    Quote: Stalker
    August 21 - Officer's Day! soldier drinks
    Congratulations to all the officers !!! I HONOR !!!!! soldier

    Bye by the Russian soldier
    There is gunpowder, matches, moonshine,
    May hell ... ut NATO soldiers,
    And the Pentagon will rise in cancer! soldier
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 22 August 2014 09: 03
      0
      I would write the third line like this:
      "let NATO soldiers piss in their pants" otherwise it can be mistaken for propaganda of homosexuality
  20. Stalker
    Stalker 21 August 2014 22: 31
    +6
    Quote: Kenji
    It is high time to react to insults from the USA, for example, to free them from the Fuhrer Obama.


    Counter option .... good laughing
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 21 August 2014 22: 42
      +1
      Well Ivanovich pleased before going to bed! Class!
    2. waisson
      waisson 21 August 2014 23: 00
      +9
      -------------- soldier
      1. KUKLA
        KUKLA 24 August 2014 20: 02
        0
        This statue is Motherland Calling !!!
  21. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 21 August 2014 22: 32
    +3
    Yes they are ukrobandera themselves soon they will shoot each other panic is felt there is no gas there is no heat the hryvnia collapsed the economy is on the verge investors are fleeing the Minister of Economy resigned - I realized there is nothing to save coal for 40 days the troops will soon go to Kiev because we have to do Russia there there’s nothing, but it’s even more necessary to help politely politely
  22. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 21 August 2014 22: 34
    +1
    In my opinion, this is another provocation.
  23. Kenji
    Kenji 21 August 2014 22: 35
    +1


    Counter option .... good laughing

    Yes, also a great picture laughing
  24. soviet skytourist
    soviet skytourist 21 August 2014 22: 35
    +5
    vsemu svoe vremja, inogda slovom dobjosja bolse tsem stykom
  25. 3vs
    3vs 21 August 2014 22: 36
    +5
    It seems that if the boar on August 26 doesn’t take any steps to stop
    war in the territory of New Russia, the process of recognizing New Russia with all will be launched
    flowing ...
    1. Owl27
      Owl27 21 August 2014 23: 18
      +3
      And the rearrangements at the top of SE are also not without reason, the impression is that the legitimate elections of the government of New Russia are being prepared. Prepare candidates
  26. Leksandrych
    Leksandrych 21 August 2014 22: 40
    +1
    If now Ukraine is mocking this with humanitarian aid, what will happen in the winter when it will be necessary to supply gas to Novorossia? And help with energy supplies will be needed.
    This would give an additional argument to the supporters of friendship with Russia.
  27. sever.56
    sever.56 21 August 2014 22: 43
    +10
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/359/kkrh14.jpg
  28. Karabin
    Karabin 21 August 2014 23: 00
    +2
    Often, the non-use of force leads to fatal consequences. This is exactly what happened now, but we still got sanctions. There would be nothing close to that bacchanalia, massacre and destruction, which are already in Novorossia, if we use force.

    I agree completely. Moreover, they could use force without introducing large-scale ground forces (which they fear, to wet pants on both sides of the so-called border). Aviation, missiles, saboteurs, specialists. Everything worked out for us
    In addition, recognition of the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics is necessary.

    It was necessary to put the first point. The non-recognition of the republics dealt a severe blow to the pro-Russian forces in the rest of New Russia. For the Russian authorities, Novorossia is now like a suitcase without a handle. Carrying (recognizing) is not convenient, and you cannot quit (you can interrogate). This half-position has largely contributed to the situation in which the DPR and LPR are now. It seems that they are not defeated, but there is not enough forces for the offensive. Moreover, thousands of dead and wounded, hundreds of thousands of refugees, destroyed housing and infrastructure.
    The photo in the title of the article is correct. Since the authorities do not want to recognize New Russia, one must ask the people. But it will not come to this, it is not accepted in the Russian Federation.
  29. Russ69
    Russ69 21 August 2014 23: 02
    +3
    A small insider ...
    “In three weeks, the Ukrainian army lost half of the artillery, and the Air Force is no more,” a source in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. "Change of tactics", declared Poroshenko during a meeting with security officials on August 18,
    1. tomket
      tomket 21 August 2014 23: 21
      +3
      Quote: Russ69
      For three weeks, the Ukrainian army lost half of the artillery, and the Air Force is no more

      Pyrrhus at least achieved victory by losing his troops.
  30. Crimea-nyash
    Crimea-nyash 21 August 2014 23: 05
    +7
    yes, to be honest, this country has already gotten sick of morons. where mothers were for the war against Russia, but so that their children could sit at home, where hatred of Russia was already set on a scientifically sound platform, nothing could be achieved by the world. state forming. it’s time to send troops, but there is a reason and there will be more .. otherwise we’ll wait that there will simply be nobody to help on the South East.
  31. Mih
    Mih 21 August 2014 23: 14
    +1
    Quote: Moment
    Something with this schizophrenia should be done in the very near future. It is even difficult to imagine that such nonsense can be carried at all.

    All West Pssaki. Psaki can carry not such nonsense. What can I say - mu ... ki, and that is too softly said. Acute schizophrenia, like sluggish, is incurable. laughing
  32. teascher
    teascher 21 August 2014 23: 21
    +6
    I went to see the news of Ukraine - there is no censor --- looked: Lord, of such a quantity and so on. l b. about. e.b. I’ve never met in my life. It's like a cockroach trap.
  33. Russian Alex
    Russian Alex 21 August 2014 23: 23
    +6
    Well, here’s an adequate answer. For those who don’t understand who they are rocking at.
    Mind does not understand Russia,
    No yardstick to measure:
    She has a special feature -
    You can only believe in Russia.
    I.F. Tyutchev
  34. teascher
    teascher 21 August 2014 23: 24
    +2
    No, I had previously heard about dill, but then I decided to see with my own eyes --- there is not a drop of history and common sense.
  35. Radikal
    Radikal 21 August 2014 23: 24
    +4
    Quote: Stock Officer
    Regarding the recognition of New Russia, I agree with the author. And I believe that it will be. Only now this question is a subject of great political bargaining and one does not need, as they say, to climb across the dad into hell.
    But the next calls for the introduction of troops cannot be called otherwise than as a provocation. Only a person very distant from the real situation can say this, not familiar with either politics, military affairs, or real information. And not familiar with the current attitude of the population of Ukraine towards Russia.
    I understand that everyone’s emotions go wild, it’s hard to calmly look at what is happening in Ukraine. But even to drive a car, you first need to get rights, but what about driving a state? And his politics? Maybe enough incompetent opinions? Let us respect the policies and decisions of the Supreme Command.

    Dear, have you read the article carefully? There is not a word about the need to bring in troops. As for the convoy with humanitarian aid, in recent days it has begun to turn into FARs major - almost 300 vehicles stupidly buried themselves at the state border, and not there, and not here. I would not be surprised if the dill demanded to check our drivers' underwear (if it is army, camouflage) and ours would agree. And in the meantime, when the convoy was just about to move out of the Moscow region, the head of Chechnya (you can treat him differently) unloaded more than a dozen trucks at the same border, handed over the cargo to the militia for the same residents of Novorossia - and without any PR - " nix "! Just a short TV story. That's it, colleague!
    1. DV69
      DV69 21 August 2014 23: 30
      +2
      Quote: Radikal
      And in the meantime, when the convoy was just about to move out of the Moscow region, the head of Chechnya (you can treat him differently) unloaded more than a dozen trucks there at the border, the cargo was handed over to the militias for the same residents of Novorossia - and without any PR - " nix "! Just a short TV story. That's it, colleague!


      Well, and held a cover event. A clone of humanitarian aid is a plus to everything and a PR campaign.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 22 August 2014 00: 01
      -2
      Quote: Radikal
      As for the convoy with humanitarian aid, in the last days it began to turn into a Fars major

      More precisely, in the PR campaign of the Kremlin. Which, more and more shows his weakness ...
      the head of Chechnya (you can treat him differently) unloaded more than a dozen trucks in the same place at the border, handed over the cargo to the militia for the same residents of Novorossia - and without any PR - "shukher"

      A man said a man did ...
      1. not main
        not main 22 August 2014 00: 58
        0
        Quote: Russ69
        A man said a man did ...

        Try on yourself!
  36. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 21 August 2014 23: 28
    +1
    to admit - not to admit, sheer fortuneteller! if they recognized right away, would there be such resistance to ukra as it is now, or would they hope for Russia and wait for its troops? But there is no statehood and what to do with this recognition? Now there are rudiments of government. organs, the army - one might think in a creative direction.
    Now Novorossia needs to withstand, unite realistically, and not declaratively, and throw the invaders from its territory, bring claims to Ukraine for the damage done to international bodies (even if they are ignored at the moment), i.e. declare yourself as a held state-ve !!! And then Russia’s hands will be untied and there’s no need to ask Kuev’s favor for gum. Help from New Russia and Europe will not say anything - gum. help cannot be prohibited.
  37. vladds
    vladds 21 August 2014 23: 32
    0
    You must not allow your emotions to be higher than Geopolitics. If We immediately brought in troops, we would get very big trouble.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 21 August 2014 23: 36
      +1
      Quote: vladds
      If We immediately brought in troops, we would get very big trouble.

      What?
  38. Victor-M
    Victor-M 21 August 2014 23: 35
    +3
    In the DPR refused humanitarian aid in Kiev


    That's right and done, they have already fed the Maidan humanitarian aid with psychotropic substances. laughing
  39. vigor1288
    vigor1288 21 August 2014 23: 46
    0
    the author of the article is disingenuous, like anyone who has assets in the US and Europe. He perfectly understands what threatens his so-called adequate response - this will be the beginning of the world war, into which the Americans are trying to force us to drag us into it.
    To hell with such advisers.
  40. Sandah
    Sandah 21 August 2014 23: 56
    +1
    Quote: Michael_59
    Bandera are strong only against the civilian population "to fight", against real force - if only on Facebook ...

    And then kuevo crying
  41. Gray 43
    Gray 43 21 August 2014 23: 58
    +2
    Ukrainians for the war, but not with their own hands. They hoped that after they began to push the opposition forces, NATO would intervene, which would then give them victory — they were Europe, but something had gone wrong according to their plans
  42. MSA
    MSA 22 August 2014 00: 00
    +1
    Ukrainians were always muddy, then they also showed candy wrappers
  43. Alfizik
    Alfizik 22 August 2014 00: 02
    +3
    Let's assume that our leaders understand no less than ours, and they have everything under control.
    Let's say they intervened now, so what? All dogs will be hanged on Russia: "and there would be no such destruction, and we would have won ..." And we would have become enemies for tens of years, if not forever. And now grapes of anger are already ripening in Ukrainian society. If you interfere, then it should have been done at the very beginning, and better - 20 years ago.
    "... and a great power must respond appropriately to an insult." So far we are adequate, and any fist, even one shown from afar, is already inadequate. In the meantime, we show a big fig, in all directions, and the main thing now is not to put it away in doubts.
  44. Russ69
    Russ69 22 August 2014 00: 04
    +2
    21.08.14. 23: 10 Message from the militia.

    "The army of Novorossia struck south of Happiness in the area of ​​Stukalova Beam. Information about who controls Stukalov Beam will appear in the near future. The destruction of the Ukrainian forces surrounded in Zhdanovka continues. The campaign of the punishers on Ilovaisk ended in an inglorious defeat."
    1. DV69
      DV69 22 August 2014 00: 10
      +2
      Quote: Russ69
      21.08.14. 23: 10 Message from the militia.

      "The army of Novorossia struck south of Happiness in the area of ​​Stukalova Beam. Information about who controls Stukalov Beam will appear in the near future. The destruction of the Ukrainian forces surrounded in Zhdanovka continues. The campaign of the punishers on Ilovaisk ended in an inglorious defeat."


      Good news.
  45. African
    African 22 August 2014 00: 22
    0
    The deployment of troops is the last thing that can be done. Having introduced troops, Russia will put itself at the most disadvantageous position, because there is no clear border in Donetsk and Lugansk on ours and not ours. The first shot in the direction of the population will bury the entire existing image of Russia as a fighter for truth and justice. And how will we differ then from the Americans? Now the dill army is fighting against its people and with its people. Results are visible. Is this not enough for someone? Everything is already moving in the right direction. Will squeeze the militia ukrov to the borders of the DNI and LC, will stand there. They recognize their autonomy, then you can safely enter, and there will probably be no need. In such a war, their very efficient army is drawn. The goal is not to introduce an army. And achieve independence.
    1. press officer
      press officer 22 August 2014 06: 51
      0
      we definitely can't enter! we are immediately blamed for all the troubles that are happening now! they will say "we said that the Russians attacked us .." !!!!! hi
    2. alexandrastafiev
      alexandrastafiev 22 August 2014 15: 17
      0
      It's easy to reason while sitting on the couch. And there are already thousands of dead. And how many orphans, cripples, people who have lost their families and homes. They are now no better off from all this speculation about the "wisdom" of Russian diplomacy. And you can't resurrect the dead at all. Where to write to really hold a referendum in Russia on the recognition of the DPR and LPR. Already tired of hearing tales about what a "wise" government we have in the Russian Federation that does not recognize the republic in the South-East of Ukraine, does not introduce troops (even volunteers) and other nonsense.
  46. Normal
    Normal 22 August 2014 00: 24
    +2
    strength has always been one of the decisive factors. Often, the non-use of force leads to fatal consequences. This is exactly what happened now, but we still got sanctions. There would be nothing close to that bacchanalia, slaughter and destruction that already exist in Novorossia, if we use force

    Article plus
  47. Neprostoy
    Neprostoy 22 August 2014 00: 37
    +2
    Correctly said, I agree one hundred percent, to recognize the republic and answer harshly for insulting, only diplomatically no longer need.
  48. old man 72
    old man 72 22 August 2014 00: 46
    +2
    I agree with the author of the article! The article is a huge plus. A strong state should adequately respond to insults and threats, otherwise significantly weak states will start to push it.
    1. wbigfire
      wbigfire 22 August 2014 17: 44
      0
      The reaction of Russia will follow unequivocally. Recently, Russia has not ignored a single bunch in its direction, and is doing the right thing. The bad thing is that not everyone still understood. Poroshenko from among the dull. However, in Minsk they will cleanse his brains, explaining that the United States has already leaked it, and the EU is holding a gun at his temple, announcing with the voice of Holland that the preliminary results of the investigation into the Boeing 777 disaster are ready. The deadline for their publication is therefore not indicated that the gun should not shoot now. Just Poroshenko should know that the gun is cocked. This is a guarantee of the transportation of Russian gas by Ukraine to the EU. This is what they will explain to its president in Minsk. A humanitarian convoy will reach anyone. Russia will squeeze. This will be her answer, because the convoy is humanitarian, and the consequences of his arrival in Ukraine will, yes already have !, political and military consequences. And not in favor of ukrokhunta.
  49. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 22 August 2014 02: 01
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    Quote: EvilCat
    And let's not discuss where the Ukrainian language came from? It is with all my нdisrespect to Ukrainian scientists. And anyway, let's not mutually insult each other’s language, right? I position myself as a Ukrainian. I am fluent in Ukrainian and Russian. Perhaps even better, claiming to be true Ukrainians or Russians. Do not be offended by either one or the other.
    By the way about history. Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses. Respect yourself.

    And I’m running a hundred-meter race as quickly as any Kenyan, and I can do samba better than any Brazilian ... Since you are so smart and talented, why is your country located where it is now?
  50. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 22 August 2014 02: 13
    +1
    A stable supply of weapons and food is all that is required, there are enough people in pay and so on. You can give them money, for example, looking for helicopter pilots, then a dozen and a half 24-ok, and let them finally solve the problem with the incessant artillery shelling of cities.