“To insult a great power must respond adequately”

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“To insult a great power must respond adequately”


Often, the non-use of force leads to fatal consequences.

In Berlin, negotiations took place between the heads of the foreign ministries of Russia, Germany, France and Ukraine. Judging by the vague and rather meager media reports, there was no political breakthrough in the Ukrainian crisis.

A member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, Vyacheslav Tetekin, especially for KM.RU, assessed the effectiveness of diplomatic consultations regarding the situation in Novorossia.

Diplomacy will work only at the final stage.

- To count on the fact that a meeting of diplomats will help resolve the conflict between Kiev and Novorossia would be naive. The matter has gone too far, the victims are so huge that it is impossible to quickly solve the problem. Kiev insists that Donetsk and Lugansk are its territory, rebels and separatists are there, and prefers to destroy them by force. weapons. New Russia resolutely insists on the right of self-determination, which is supported by the results of the referendum, and besides, sacrifices have already been made for the sake of independence.

Thus, the positions of the parties are too far to be settled by diplomatic means. Experience has shown that in the case of major armed conflicts, diplomats enter into action only when it is clear who is winning. Military and economic factors will be crucial, and diplomacy will work only at the final stage. Now there is a stubborn struggle, the military "swing" swinging one way or the other, and who is winning is unknown.

Against this background, the economic factor also arises, because winter is approaching, gas reserves in Ukraine’s storage facilities are being depleted, and coal is not flowing. When it turns out that Kiev, in spite of its statements, is in fact in a very difficult situation, then negotiations with the help of intermediaries will be productive. There is no hope that something crucial will happen in the coming weeks.

Russia has the moral right to intervene

I recall that NATO waged a war in the Balkans under the pretext of humanitarian intervention. The Americans themselves invented humanitarian disasters and after that with clear eyes found themselves on the territory of the Balkan states. But now a humanitarian catastrophe created by the actions of the Kiev junta, we are talking about the death of thousands and the suffering of hundreds of thousands of people. Russia has the full moral right to intervene in the situation.

We hear talk from all sides that Moscow should not allow itself to be drawn into conflict. But I will express my point of view: force has always been one of the decisive factors. Often, the non-use of force leads to fatal consequences. That is exactly what happened now, and we still received sanctions. Nothing close to the orgy, slaughter and destruction, which already exists in the New Russia, would not be, we use the power. But Moscow still has a chance to assist with military equipment and volunteers.

In addition, the recognition of the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics is necessary. In any case, the mockery that Ukraine has arranged around a humanitarian convoy is completely unacceptable. Russia as a great power has no right to allow it to be treated like this. And they relate to our humanitarian aid in a brazen and cynical way. This is an insult, and a great power must respond adequately to an insult.
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  1. +69
    21 August 2014 21: 56
    "The Ukrainian language was brought from Venus. Ukrainian scientists tell about the history of their state:" The Aryans came from Ukraine, and Genghis Khan was a Ukrainian ... "
    Source - http://serfilatov.livejournal.com/1886129.html
    Something with this schizophrenia should be done in the very near future. It is even difficult to imagine that such nonsense can be carried at all.
    Russia is adequate and acting.
    1. +18
      21 August 2014 21: 59
      Quote: Moment
      and Genghis Khan was Ukrainian ..

      And Fomenko's pharaohs were Russian princes. Well now, sprinkle ashes on your head, or point your finger in the mirror with the words, "Into freaks!"
      1. +19
        21 August 2014 22: 37
        Quote: tomket
        Quote: Moment
        and Genghis Khan was Ukrainian ..

        And Fomenko's pharaohs were Russian princes. Well now, sprinkle ashes on your head, or point your finger in the mirror with the words, "Into freaks!"


        Fomenko is an opportunist. Do not read his nonsense.
        1. +1
          21 August 2014 22: 53
          Quote: DV69

          Fomenko is an opportunist. Do not read his nonsense.


          And who is minus here, and for what? Clarify please.
          1. rodevaan
            0
            22 August 2014 10: 42
            - When some pluses are not interesting! No one pisses with boiling water, no one is indignant. And so - like some kind of variety!
          2. +7
            22 August 2014 10: 47
            Probably Fomenko and minus wink Here, some people put a minus for the sake of a minus, and the rest begin to minus for the company. So do not be discouraged, I also had this - brought a link with negative information, so they minded me, as if it was my fault hi
            1. rodevaan
              0
              23 August 2014 06: 20
              - Don’t you care? :)) Minus or plus? I’m personally personally on the drum ...
          3. +2
            22 August 2014 13: 35
            Minus the one who read Fomenko himself, and not just the comments about his books by others such who have never read him.
        2. vell.65mail.ru
          +15
          22 August 2014 06: 03
          Now it is realistic to bring peace to Novorossii_recognize the republics and introduce peacekeeping forces. In any case, to improve the situation, Russia's actions will be considered illegal by the views of the United States, and sorry for such a compliment towards "friends", prostitutes of the States, they cannot be called otherwise.
          1. zzz
            zzz
            +8
            22 August 2014 08: 07
            Quote: vell.65mail.ru
            Now it is realistic to bring peace to Novorossii_recognize the republics and introduce peacekeeping forces. In any case, to improve the situation, Russia's actions will be considered illegal by the views of the United States, and sorry for such a compliment towards "friends", prostitutes of the States, they cannot be called otherwise.

            It is impossible! First you need to squeeze at least Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Odessa ... The ports must be ours, and the Dnieper must supply water to the Crimea.
            1. +13
              22 August 2014 10: 55
              It's easy to say. As soon as the DPR and LPR militias achieve more or less serious successes and drive the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Nazis away from their land, Kiev will raise such a howl to the backing vocals of the entire "civilized" community about the need for a truce and negotiations that at least shut your ears. The Americans will not sit and watch, occasionally imposing sanctions and swearing from different tribunes as such a fat piece floats away from them to their geopolitical enemy. Now, ideally, to expel, securing the status quo by some international relations that de facto recognize the existence of Novorossia, from the territory of the former Donetsk and Lugansk regions of the punitive forces and begin, on the eve of winter, equip a peaceful life there - the rest of the Hohland will not survive winter - it will fall apart into atoms, which in the measure of their preferences will begin to be nailed to larger territorial entities. Left-bank Ukraine, one way or another, I am sure will return under the wing of Russia - with the rest of the question, but you should not include in the composition of Novorossia (or Russia - how it will come out) territorial entities in which the overwhelming majority of the population will not be healed from the fever of Russophobia - where blood will not help and heavy losses, there must be finalized physical deprivation in the form of hunger, cold and poverty, although the latter must be backed up by properly delivered propaganda, which will bring the TRUTH about the real culprits of the population's suffering to empty heads through empty stomachs.
              1. +1
                23 August 2014 10: 53
                Quote: Vladimir K.
                Now, it would be ideal to drive out the status quo by certain international relations recognizing the de facto existence of Novorossia from the territory of the former Donetsk and Lugansk regions of punishers and begin to build peaceful life there before the winter - the rest of the winter hohland will not survive
                - I agree completely. In my opinion, this is what the GDP is achieving.
                Quote: Vladimir K.
                It is not necessary to include in the composition of New Russia (or Russia - how it will turn out) territorial formations in which the overwhelming majority of the population will not be healed from Russophobia fever - where blood and heavy losses do not help, physical deprivations in the form of hunger, cold and poverty should be finalized there, though the latter need to be supported by properly delivered propaganda

                I agree, especially with "correctly delivered propaganda." And to do this, connect word of mouth, make our "soldiers' mothers", who were destroying their own army, to redeem their guilt, working closely with the Ukrainian women. It is not for nothing that folk wisdom says that "the night cuckoo ...". All the same, the Nazis are only useful in the form of organic fertilizers, and the rest of the men will not do anything against their wives - as a married man has repeatedly stated.
            2. +1
              22 August 2014 13: 48
              Quote: zzz
              Quote: vell.65mail.ru
              Now it is realistic to bring peace to Novorossii_recognize the republics and introduce peacekeeping forces. In any case, to improve the situation, Russia's actions will be considered illegal by the views of the United States, and sorry for such a compliment towards "friends", prostitutes of the States, they cannot be called otherwise.

              It is impossible! First you need to squeeze at least Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Odessa ... The ports must be ours, and the Dnieper must supply water to the Crimea.


              It is time to introduce forces from the month of May, but apparently we are waiting for the first cistern of blood of the residents of Donbass, and even when, after a rain on Thursday, the eyes of the world community will open.
              1. Valentine77 64
                +1
                22 August 2014 21: 25
                It is worth arguing historically. Autumn and winter are faithful companions.
            3. +2
              22 August 2014 15: 57
              Well, there is logic in this. Only in war everything is not always logical. Ordinary people and children are dying. My wife is watching the news and crying. HER mother "zapadenka" broke up with her relatives in her youth and did not communicate afterwards, because her husband was Russian and even then it was problematic to come with "kats.apom".
          2. +2
            22 August 2014 15: 54
            In any case, we will receive sanctions. But if you receive, then you know for what. Meriki needs a war. Or "kirdyk" is not far off. As long as RUSSIANS living on RUSSIAN LAND, by "misunderstanding" have become the state-m of UKRAINE, for us, you need to make every effort to gain independence.
            1. 0
              23 August 2014 11: 01
              Quote: prio124
              While RUSSIANS living on RUSSIAN LAND, by "misunderstanding" have become the state-m UKRAINE, for us,

              Where do you get the information about the Russians who are for us YET? When they remember that they are RUSSIAN and will be FOR US, there will be no need to make efforts to get them independence. And while they "walled up cars in garages" and dream that someone would win and peace would come, "maximum efforts" from our side are perceived, including from their submission, as aggression and violation ...
        3. +21
          22 August 2014 06: 13
          Quote: DV69
          Fomenko is an opportunist. Do not read his nonsense.

          No Fomenko is an opportunist. He is an academician, applied mathematician. About 30 years ago, the task arose - to establish, according to the boundary conditions in mythology (the Bible), a possible date for the historical event of the birth-death of Jesus. He did not succeed 2000 years, but about 1000 ago. They smacked. Further, according to the position of planet stars in the drawings of Egyptian burials, they tried to calculate the date of death of a number of pharaohs. Again we got dates that are several millennia closer to today. Then we explored other artifacts like engravings, drawings. Again, it didn’t work out with dating.
          On the basis of this, we checked how the dating of events took place in the current written history. It turned out that ALL modern historiography is based on the works of Scaliger-Pettavius ​​- 16-17 centuries. Scaliger, being an astrologer and numerologist, used these sciences, and not history and archeology, to date - exactly - the birth of Christ. Having set the date, further historical events filled the centuries quite freely. As a result, the concept of "dark ages" emerged in Europe, when historical events, chronicles, etc. was not enough for 800 years - but they tried to stretch them out - and something worked out.
          At first, many were outraged by this, Newton, for example, but the church supported it - and everyone is used to it, they perceive it as a given.
          Fomenko, and especially Nosovsky, has a lot of quirks when, not being experts, they "refute" the historically established facts. But their merit is that they showed the flawedness of modern historical dating, which is actually based on data from pseudosciences.
          1. 0
            23 August 2014 22: 39
            Quote: andj61
            Quote: DV69
            Fomenko is an opportunist. Do not read his nonsense.

            No Fomenko is an opportunist. He is an academician, applied mathematician. About 30 years ago, the task arose - to establish, according to the boundary conditions in mythology (the Bible), a possible date for the historical event of the birth-death of Jesus. He did not succeed 2000 years, but about 1000 ago.



            I don’t understand and for THIS text 25 people like it ?? Does the site really see so many freaks?
        4. 0
          22 August 2014 17: 10
          Quote: DV69
          Fomenko is an opportunist. Do not read his nonsense

          "What is your evidence?" His work is more useful than your instructions.
      2. mad
        +7
        22 August 2014 01: 06
        Quote: tomket
        And at Fomenko the pharaohs were Russian princes.

        But Fomenko's nonsense did not enter history books and he is not hammered into the younger generation.
        1. +1
          22 August 2014 01: 10
          Quote: mad
          Quote: tomket
          And at Fomenko the pharaohs were Russian princes.

          But Fomenko's nonsense did not enter history books and he is not hammered into the younger generation.


          And that is great.
          1. -4
            22 August 2014 03: 12
            Quote: DV69
            Quote: mad
            Quote: tomket
            And at Fomenko the pharaohs were Russian princes.

            But Fomenko's nonsense did not enter history books and he is not hammered into the younger generation.


            And that is great.

            And do not forget that Fomenko is a KOMIK, and not a "historian", therefore, the "pharaohs-princes" are SURE that this is "in opposition" to Chingiz Khan - dill tongue
            1. +7
              22 August 2014 05: 26
              Fomenko academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
        2. +4
          22 August 2014 05: 31
          But in Ukrainian textbooks on his history, this nonsense is full! And this is taught to the younger generation ... And the fact that the ancient Ukrainians dug the Black Sea is also a "historical fact".
      3. Leonidych
        0
        22 August 2014 05: 13
        and who is fomenko?
        1. +7
          22 August 2014 05: 26
          and who is fomenko?

          Nikolay Fomenko. Group Secret. The guys sing great. Have a sense of humor. There is still some A. V. Fomenko, but who knows?
    2. +5
      21 August 2014 22: 02
      Foreign Ministry of Ukraine? laughing This is something new for me. laughing
      1. +18
        21 August 2014 22: 47
        do not care where the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine came from, where the Genghisan arrived with Fomenko. QUESTION ONE: recognize New Russia and the point.
        1. +4
          21 August 2014 23: 21
          Quote: zloybond
          do not care where the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine came from, where the Genghisan arrived with Fomenko. QUESTION ONE: recognize New Russia and the point.

          everything would be fine, but: July 6, 2014, 20:09
          More than a thousand civilians took to the main square of Donetsk,
          but the comment there: alexander donetsk
          06.07.2014 09:16
          In Donetsk there are only a million inhabitants, and at the rally also from other cities. Even one in a thousand did not attend the rally.
          1. +3
            22 August 2014 02: 44
            Quote: severniy
            went to the main square

            Rallies were before the media era. Now the Referendum is counted, not the party.
        2. +4
          21 August 2014 23: 28
          QUESTION ONE: recognize New Russia and the point.

          And let fascism continue to bloom in full bloom on the remaining territory, which will continue to be called "Ukraine" and the dill will create more and more theories of their greatness and reinforce them with the blood of the Slavs.
          1. +6
            21 August 2014 23: 45
            Lizonka, you are a provocateur ... am
            1. 0
              22 August 2014 08: 32
              We will not strictly judge the lady - they are delicate and sensitive creatures
          2. 0
            22 August 2014 08: 31
            A large piece should be swallowed in smaller portions - then less likely to choke
        3. 0
          22 August 2014 08: 29
          This is our way! "Brevity is the soul of wit"
    3. +23
      21 August 2014 22: 16
      And let's not discuss where the Ukrainian language came from? It is with all my нdisrespect to Ukrainian scientists. And anyway, let's not mutually insult each other’s language, right? I position myself as a Ukrainian. I am fluent in Ukrainian and Russian. Perhaps even better, claiming to be true Ukrainians or Russians. Do not be offended by either one or the other.
      By the way about history. Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses. Respect yourself.
      1. +23
        21 August 2014 22: 41
        Quote: EvilCat
        Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses

        Ie, do not study history at all? For all historians write opuses ...? Or maybe it is necessary to separate the wheat from the chaff, among historians, writers, publicists, linguists ... And not just indiscriminately: "I know perfectly," but the rest are "fuckers". And how, then, does your "perfection" differ from theirs? It turns out YOUR statement, nameless, more significant, at least "loshary" already known, at least something, historians and linguists? By the way, Russian is a language, and it has been proven by scholars "suckers" that it is the most ancient, and even Sanskrit is a relative, not a fundamental principle, but Ukrainian Mova is just a dialect, and very young.
        And about not be fooled, so do not be fooled, and respect yourself wink
        1. -12
          21 August 2014 23: 25
          Quote: EvilCat
          And let's not discuss where the Ukrainian language came from? It is with all my нdisrespect to Ukrainian scientists. And anyway, let's not mutually insult each other’s language, right? I position myself as a Ukrainian. I am fluent in Ukrainian and Russian. Perhaps even better, claiming to be true Ukrainians or Russians. Do not be offended by either one or the other.
          By the way about history. Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses. Respect yourself.

          a person on business and from the heart writes ...

          Quote: Oleg Sobol
          Quote: EvilCat
          Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses

          Ie, do not study history at all? For all historians write opuses ...? Or maybe it is necessary to separate the wheat from the chaff, among historians, writers, publicists, linguists ... And not just indiscriminately: "I know perfectly," but the rest are "fuckers". And how, then, does your "perfection" differ from theirs? It turns out YOUR statement, nameless, more significant, at least "loshary" already known, at least something, historians and linguists? By the way, Russian is a language, and it has been proven by scholars "suckers" that it is the most ancient, and even Sanskrit is a relative, not a fundamental principle, but Ukrainian Mova is just a dialect, and very young.
          And about not be fooled, so do not be fooled, and respect yourself wink

          and you have some verbiage ...
          1. -14
            21 August 2014 23: 42
            firstly I am a Russian, secondly I was born in Odessa, thirdly I am married to a "zapadenka", also by the way a Russian woman; and fourthly: regarding "Russian is the most ancient", so with all due respect to Zadornov, stop listening to his nonsense for the origin of all languages ​​from Russian ..., better watch the lectures of real linguists, Professor Zaliznyak for example ..
            1. polkownik1
              +9
              21 August 2014 23: 57
              I prefer REAL academician Likhachev.
            2. +1
              22 August 2014 08: 35
              Zadornov is in many ways right - indeed, Hindi and Russian are close languages. I definitely say - I was in Bombay (damn Mumbai) - I understood almost everything from street speech.
              1. +2
                22 August 2014 14: 00
                Quote: OldWiser
                Zadornov is in many ways right - indeed, Hindi and Russian are close languages. I definitely say - I was in Bombay (damn Mumbai) - I understood almost everything from street speech.

                If you do not know the Indian language, understand their street speech, then apparently you are a linguistic genius. Yes
              2. 0
                22 August 2014 18: 44
                Zadornov in linguistics is a complete ignoramus in the full sense of the word ... from his research:
                star-tar-tyr-holes, that is, according to Zadornov, our super old ones are big holes, it’s stupid not to think of anything ... words have been changing for centuries, and have been doing this in groups, and everyone should change in one group, he scolds Fursenko as a layman, and he does the same thing ...
                take a look, figures ...: http://www.mathnet.ru/php/seminars.phtml?option_lang=rus&presentid=5112
            3. -2
              22 August 2014 08: 54
              Quote: severniy
              firstly I am Russian
              - Well, at least not UKRONIANIN!
              Quote: severniy
              stop listening to his rubbish for the origin of all languages ​​from Russian ..., look better at the lectures of real linguists
              - i.e. Does the "crust" give them an advantage? And if Mikhail Nikolaevich is just a well-read, self-taught linguist? hi
              1. -1
                22 August 2014 18: 35
                this is science, and a self-taught person, pushing some idea, creates a pseudoscience and thus hinders progress (since now its absolutely "left" version can be referred to) in this area there are no achievements without knowledge, therefore there is no place for self-taught people .., but take a look at lectures. ., minus players, ya hahahh ..
                PS as an example: ours, your Slavic writing is somewhere around 1150 years old, and coins of the Bosporus kingdom with letters date from about 3-5 centuries BC !!!, respectively, the language of the campaign is what, they didn’t have any ..., and the ancients Russ appeared around the 5th century of our era, and had no written language for another three hundred years, four hundred, and your wiki to help you, Alyoshka .., PS.
                and about Dmitry Likhachev, well, a worthy person, and you plus ... only if you know what the thread is about him except his last name ... although if you don’t know that Zaliznyak is also an academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, but unlike L.D.S., who is more an art critic than a philologist, Andrei Anatolich specializes specifically in the section of literature and language .... so no, perhaps minus you .. something like that ...
              2. 0
                22 August 2014 20: 16
                yes, urofobia is a mirror disease of Yarosh .. and I am proud that my wife is Ukrainian !!!
                1. 0
                  25 August 2014 11: 42
                  Quote: severniy
                  and I am proud that my wife is Ukrainian !!!
                  - But what is it that she is Ukrainian? What is the advantage over Russian? It’s just that my wife’s surname is Ukrainian, but she considers herself Russian and doesn’t want to have anything to do with those who are jumping there and running around second-hand naked ...
      2. +11
        21 August 2014 22: 45
        ... "I speak Ukrainian and Russian perfectly. Perhaps even better, declaring themselves truly Ukrainians or Russians" ... This is where it all begins.
        1. +1
          22 August 2014 08: 36
          You can’t sit on two chairs, especially when they creep in different directions
        2. +2
          22 August 2014 14: 37
          No dear. It begins with everything about the moment when the society begins to find out whose origin is ancient, from which language the others originated. Well, in general, someone is thicker. Then historians appear, claiming the exclusiveness of the race. Well, then comes first nationalism and ha him and fascism. By the way about the thicker, there is an old saying that "in the wrong hands (it) is always thicker." So, let's not stoop to language insults. It has nothing to do with it. By the way, I'm Kazakh by nationality. This is so as to exclude, as it were, my bias on this issue. here in the former Ukraine this is exactly what happened. Under Yushchenko, pseudo-historians appeared who gave birth to the "Trypillian culture". So it turned out that all people, at least according to Darwin, descended from monkeys and monkeys from pro Ukrainians.
      3. Alf
        +11
        21 August 2014 22: 50
        Quote: EvilCat
        Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses. Respect yourself.

        We are not being led. Unfortunately, it was in Ukraine that many people fell for these "historical discoveries", with the corresponding consequences.
        1. +2
          21 August 2014 23: 09
          Quote: Alf
          We are not being fooled.

          Even as we are, although not on such a scale of course.
      4. +3
        21 August 2014 22: 53
        I support - the story is very ideologically dependent and therefore it is always interpreted as it is beneficial for those in power
        1. +4
          21 August 2014 23: 04
          Quote: OldWiser
          I support - the story is very ideologically dependent and therefore it is always interpreted as it is beneficial for those in power


          History is not interpreted. It is written in the interests of the authorities. Because this science is ideological and there is no getting away from it.
          1. +1
            22 August 2014 00: 49
            ... to preserve history, it is necessary to shake up the state, as the Jews did, so that the sovereigns do not interfere in it ...
            1. +2
              22 August 2014 00: 56
              Quote: olegst
              ... to preserve history, it is necessary to shake up the state, as the Jews did, so that the sovereigns do not interfere in it ...


              I did not understand what the post was about. clarify please.
              1. +1
                22 August 2014 08: 40
                The author wants to say that the Jews once had their own state (presumably before the Roman Empire) - and they also lost it
          2. 0
            22 August 2014 08: 38
            History is a collection of facts and their interpretation. Writing history is like "producing facts." The facts have already happened. But you can always evaluate everything in different ways.
      5. +8
        22 August 2014 00: 36
        Quote: EvilCat
        And anyway, let's not mutually insult each other's language, right? I position myself as a Ukrainian.
        You can position yourself, anyone, but those who abandon their roots, their history and blood relationship, become degenerates. The trouble is that many Ukrainians have ceased to position themselves as Russians. Having ceased to be a historical part of the Russian world for themselves, such "Ukrainians" invent a story for themselves, sucked from the finger, with new national "heroes" - Mazepa, Petliura, Makhno and Bandera. To respect yourself is to remember that Kiev is the mother of Russian cities, and Kievan Rus is the historical heart of Russia.
        1. +1
          22 August 2014 05: 01
          MAKNO DO NOT TOUCH. He fought for freedom.
          1. +1
            22 August 2014 08: 41
            "You can't live in society and consider yourself free from society" Karl Marx
      6. +6
        22 August 2014 02: 32
        I position myself as a Ukrainian.
        This is the trouble. You need to remember your roots, and not position yourself as a representative of a mythical nation.
        1. +2
          22 August 2014 08: 43
          That's right - the Ukrainian is the one who lives on the outskirts of Russia. A crest is no longer a nationality, but a thieves state of the soul.
      7. +1
        22 August 2014 03: 14
        Quote: EvilCat
        And let's not discuss where the Ukrainian language came from? It is with all my нdisrespect to Ukrainian scientists. And anyway, let's not mutually insult each other’s language, right? I position myself as a Ukrainian. I am fluent in Ukrainian and Russian. Perhaps even better, claiming to be true Ukrainians or Russians. Do not be offended by either one or the other.
        By the way about history. Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses. Respect yourself.

        I am identical. And to you - respect and respect for what is written. drinks
      8. Alexander I
        +3
        22 August 2014 06: 04
        That you own Russian and Ukrainian. Those who studied in Ukraine before, they taught Ukrainian and Russian at the same level at school, and the question is not about the origin of the language. The issue of recognition of Donbass and its rights to. Help is Russia. This help, which stands at the borders, does not seem like PR for the president and his government. They can’t fix anything, they can only destroy and promote.
        1. +1
          22 August 2014 14: 42
          No, this is not a PR move. Today I went spitting on all the "sticks in the wheels" from ukrohunta
      9. 0
        22 August 2014 06: 06
        This is the most sober look. Even in Novorossia, I think there are many people who consider the Ukrainian language to be their own, you should not offend them, in the first place. Laughing at all Ukrainian, we thus, as it was customary to say earlier, "pour water into the mill ......" Giving an extra trump card, so called "Svidomo".
    4. 4952915
      +5
      21 August 2014 22: 35
      Unfortunately, we have no less, if not more. The most harmless is the arrival of Russ civilizators from Orion .. Just the other day, one character on the site of Starikov N.V. rushed at me with insults for the fact that I do not share the idea of ​​the visit of our ancestors from Orion))) So in this regard, the two versions of folk history stand each other)))).
      1. +13
        21 August 2014 22: 38
        If you want, check
        1. +18
          21 August 2014 22: 42
          "Russian people need Truth, and they are looking for it, first of all in life" - François de La Rochefoucauld, French moralist writer
      2. -4
        21 August 2014 23: 00
        Quote: 4952915
        The most harmless is the arrival of Russ civilizators from Orion.

        Do you see yourself, according to Darwin, the crown of creation from a local monkey? And she came from Adam and Eve, according to the Religious serving, during their joint prayers? Or is she, the crooked essence of his crooked rib? Strange, however, Evolution laughing Then consider me a civilizer from Orion laughing
        1. +15
          21 August 2014 23: 08
          Quote: Oleg Sobol

          And do you see yourself, according to Darwin, the crown of creation from a local monkey that occurred through the evolution of amoebas in the ocean? Did she come from Adam and Eve? laughing


          I had a 1 year teacher, so he once said at a seminar literally: "If you think that you descended from a monkey, that's your right. But personally I descended from aliens." By the way, the person was then a candidate of historical sciences.
          Darwin's theory has not yet been confirmed, no matter what the materialists say.
          1. 0
            21 August 2014 23: 17
            Quote: DV69
            Darwin's theory has not yet been confirmed, no matter what the materialists say

            In Darwin's theory, at least something explains, and a certain scientific base has been brought up with her. What is the scientific basis of the followers of the theory of Orion?
            1. +7
              21 August 2014 23: 22
              [quote = tomket] [/ quote]
              In Darwin's theory, at least something explains, and a certain scientific base has been brought up for her. What is the scientific basis of the adherents of the theory of Orion? [/ Quote]

              Darwin's theory is far-fetched. For example, where is the "missing link" from which modern man appeared? They have been looking for him since the publication of Darwin's Theory, but they cannot find him.
              And what makes you worse about Orion?
              1. +1
                21 August 2014 23: 29
                Quote: DV69
                "missing link"

                Do you see a gopher? Missing links and "inconsistencies" are found and overcome from time to time. As, for example, with the formation of an electric apparatus in eels in the evolutionary period.
                1. +2
                  21 August 2014 23: 33
                  Quote: tomket
                  Quote: DV69
                  "missing link"

                  Do you see a gopher? Missing links and "inconsistencies" are found and overcome from time to time. As, for example, with the formation of an electric apparatus in eels in the evolutionary period.


                  Did you know that all the "missing links" found later turn out to be a hoax? And it's not even about aliens from space, it's just that Darwin's theory does not explain the origin of man.
                  1. +1
                    21 August 2014 23: 40
                    How can it be a hoax, an analogue of the electric eel apparatus found in catfish, in its infancy ???
                    1. 0
                      21 August 2014 23: 46
                      Quote: tomket
                      How can it be a hoax, an analogue of the electric eel apparatus found in catfish, in its infancy ???


                      I talked about the "missing link" in human origins. I am not strong in eels and catfish, I will not argue.
                2. 0
                  21 August 2014 23: 40
                  Quote: tomket


                  By the way, I’m not minus you.
                  1. 0
                    21 August 2014 23: 58
                    Quote: DV69
                    Quote: tomket


                    By the way, I’m not minus you.


                    Well, here for what?
                    Or is it such new fun? Put a minus, and in the quiet, without explanation, left.
                    1. +2
                      22 August 2014 06: 49
                      Quote: DV69
                      Put a minus, and in the quiet, without explanation, left.

                      I bet + to spite the "quiet people"! I adhere to another "theory" - a monkey is a lazy, degraded person from an early civilization!
            2. +1
              22 August 2014 06: 30
              Quote: tomket
              In Darwin's theory, at least something explains, and a certain scientific base has been brought up for her.

              What can she explain? An example is the appearance of antlers in deer. The question is, how? and for what?. Horns are not constant, deer periodically drops them, protection against them is not very, and not all year round. Horns cling to trees, they interfere in the forest. Yes, and how to make them grow - from the skull, if the ancestors of the deer - it is proved - there were no horns.
              And so it is in many ways. No wonder there is a figurative comparison - Darwin's theory is a tree with roots and leaves, but without branches.
              In general, our evolution, the evolution of the animal world of the Earth, is similar to a kind of experiment in a biolaboratory. Here very often instantly - by historical standards - new species appear that do not have direct ancestors in living living creatures.
              1. 0
                22 August 2014 08: 48
                genetic engineering from Orion comrades - and no problem!
              2. +2
                22 August 2014 14: 51
                The explanation is very simple - the antlers of a deer are needed for a show during the mating season, or more simply rutting. Well, the second explanation is for a visual description of some men. There are also explanations why they can reset them. After all, you can get a divorce in the end.
            3. +1
              22 August 2014 08: 46
              a growing set of facts for which there is no way to give a rational scientific explanation
          2. +4
            22 August 2014 00: 34
            Quote: DV69
            Quote: Oleg Sobol

            And do you see yourself, according to Darwin, the crown of creation from a local monkey that occurred through the evolution of amoebas in the ocean? Did she come from Adam and Eve? laughing


            I had a 1 year teacher, so he once said at a seminar literally: "If you think that you descended from a monkey, that's your right. But personally I descended from aliens." By the way, the person was then a candidate of historical sciences.
            Darwin's theory has not yet been confirmed, no matter what the materialists say.


            Perhaps you are both right. We are a product of genetic engineering of highly developed civilizations (Gods) from other stellar systems, the basis of which was taken the most intellectually developed animal on earth - the monkey. Hence the resemblance to the apes (the shape of the arms, legs, hair (coat) in the perineum, in the axillary zone and on the head). Once upon a time, an Albino gorilla lived at the Zoo in Barcelona. The color of her face (muzzle) and palms was no different from ours, but it was an animal without reason. In general, this topic is very extensive and worthy of a separate discussion.
            1. 0
              22 August 2014 01: 02
              Quote: MAXIMUS

              Perhaps you are both right. We are a product of genetic engineering of highly developed civilizations (Gods) from other stellar systems, the basis of which was taken the most intellectually developed animal on earth - the monkey. Hence the resemblance to the apes (the shape of the arms, legs, hair (coat) in the perineum, in the axillary zone and on the head). Once upon a time, an Albino gorilla lived at the Zoo in Barcelona. The color of her face (muzzle) and palms was no different from ours, but it was an animal without reason. In general, this topic is very extensive and worthy of a separate discussion.


              So a fan of Zachary Sichin appeared. Good day.
              Although I personally closer interpretation of the origin of man described in the Slavic Vedas.
              1. 0
                22 August 2014 09: 53
                Hah) And then supporters of the theory of paleocontact showed up
                Class good And what about the Slavic Vedas, do not enlighten in a nutshell, if not difficult? I will be grateful
                1. 0
                  22 August 2014 21: 53
                  Quote: ArtyByrd
                  Hah) And then supporters of the theory of paleocontact showed up
                  Class good And what about the Slavic Vedas, do not enlighten in a nutshell, if not difficult? I will be grateful


                  What specifically interests?
        2. 0
          22 August 2014 06: 58
          Quote: Oleg Sobol
          Then consider me a civilizer from Orion

          So, Orion is no longer poured. laughing
          1. 0
            22 August 2014 08: 49
            and to Jupiter and Saturn - too
        3. 4952915
          0
          22 August 2014 10: 39
          Don't say (and don't write) nonsense. My humble personal opinion is that man was created by God. In general, a matter of taste and personal inclinations - someone believes in God, someone in a monkey, someone in aliens. So I do not consider you a civilizer from Orion, but a personality, with an abundance of "patriotism" (in the style of zadornov-levashovs), but a little offended by the mind.
    5. +11
      21 August 2014 22: 40


      They are not friends with the head
      1. +1
        21 August 2014 22: 55
        In addition to not being friends, they seem to smoke.
        Well, what kind of historians are they? ё p r s t
        1. 0
          22 August 2014 08: 49
          and grass mixed with LSD
      2. +5
        21 August 2014 23: 14
        Shiz specifically mows these ukrohistorikov.
      3. 0
        21 August 2014 23: 20
        Burn you hell bastards!
      4. 0
        21 August 2014 23: 32
        Well, bliiiin .. Now you have to wash your ears with holy water .. They’re sick .. how it is on TV let go HOW !?
      5. +2
        22 August 2014 00: 41
        Psaka is resting, laughing right up to tears laughing laughing laughing
      6. +1
        22 August 2014 02: 23
        correctly Zhirinovsky said to ukrii not observers and experts, but psychiatrists from all over the world let them study a unique case
      7. 0
        22 August 2014 03: 05
        Guys !! Does anyone know a recipe for a potion that makes them so kumirty, pins, stomps and sausages? It would be good for them to flush our fifth column. Well, purely to raise a patriotic spirit.
        1. +1
          22 August 2014 08: 50
          fly agaric alcohol
      8. 0
        22 August 2014 15: 04
        I agree. But, unfortunately, there is a problem. For every Bebik in the former Ukraine, there is at least one Fomenko in Russia. And this is a reason to think. Here it is the beginning of the degradation of the nation. By the way, he is one of the authors of the theory of "Trypillian culture". If you want, you can google it. I warn people with a weakened psyche, suffering from cardiovascular diseases, it is better not to do this.
      9. 0
        22 August 2014 22: 28
        Guys, I advise you to look, smiled heartily. And the mood will lift!
      10. 0
        23 August 2014 12: 44
        How to show? It's a shame to deal with such a semi-idiot! wassat
      11. Mwg
        0
        24 August 2014 08: 27
        Yeah, that's true, they flew from Venus. Current recently, in the spring of 2014. The whole composition of the current government. And Tymoshenko gave them a lighthouse for landing. Now in Ukraine there will be Venusian orders. And from Mercury, they are waiting for help from the intergalactic council. And Alpha Centauri hurries to get shale gas from them with proton rigs.
      12. 0
        24 August 2014 13: 05
        Such people are called opportunists. They have always been. Remember Lysenko - Academician of the Academy of Agricultural Sciences. Served certain ideological installations during the time of Stalin. The Germans wrote Russian history under Catherine II. What the ruling elite orders is what they write. History is not science at all, but art. Therefore, love what meets your ideological principles.
        And for centuries, I advise you not to climb at all. Very ugly these ancient and middle ages.
      13. KUKLA
        0
        24 August 2014 19: 54
        good mushrooms! In what forest did he collect?
    6. +4
      21 August 2014 23: 03
      only Russians and Belarusians do not pretend to Genghis Khan;)
      1. -1
        21 August 2014 23: 19
        Quote: Russian Uzbek
        to Genghis Khan

        Fomenko to Genghis Khan mine and claims to Batu so for sure.
    7. +1
      22 August 2014 03: 11
      Quote: Moment
      Something with this schizophrenia should be done in the very near future. It is even difficult to imagine that such nonsense can be carried at all.


      This is not schizophrenia and not nonsense. These are good pupils of the Nazi Goebbels mouthpiece.

      "An effective way to convince the masses is to create and repeat lies ... In addition to making them more believable, big lies are backed up with small but often irrelevant facts."
      http://ru.scribd.com/doc/59347932

      The propaganda machine of Ukraine once again proves where the legs grow from dill today. Pupils worthy of their teachers. And fate awaits them ahead.
    8. Leonidych
      +1
      22 August 2014 05: 12
      let them cook themselves in their cauldron, for the amusement of the whole world and for edification of others, especially for Russia and the post-Soviet republics
    9. 0
      22 August 2014 17: 40
      Need a straitjacket for Kiev authorities. Perhaps winter can become one.
    10. 0
      23 August 2014 12: 39
      from Venus, I understand that they brought it with a siphon and a trepak
    11. 0
      23 August 2014 22: 32
      We hear talk from all sides that Moscow should not allow itself to be drawn into conflict. But I will express my point of view: force has always been one of the decisive factors. Often, the non-use of force leads to fatal consequences. That is exactly what happened now, and we still received sanctions. Nothing close to the orgy, slaughter and destruction, which already exists in the New Russia, would not be, we use the power. But Moscow still has a chance to assist with military equipment and volunteers.


      The time for helping technicians and volunteers was irretrievably lost, now we should do what was necessary from the very beginning: to introduce an army to Ukraine and overthrow the junta. Putin, send troops!
    12. -3
      24 August 2014 18: 09
      "The Ukrainian language was brought from Venus". The venereal disease has spread throughout Ukraine, now they still have a venereal language ...
  2. Stalker
    +53
    21 August 2014 21: 57
    Concerning the "Heavenly Hundred" .... am
    1. +8
      21 August 2014 22: 00
      Quote: Stalker
      Concerning the "Heavenly Hundred" .... am

      +100500 ... for nefig am
      1. +2
        21 August 2014 22: 09
        Can it not be easier for Him to give them eternal life?
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    3. 0
      21 August 2014 22: 54
      That's right.
    4. +1
      22 August 2014 02: 40
      There are no longer hundreds of "heavenly" but thousands, if not tens of thousands of accounts .. This is only ukropaganda during the third "mogilization" (!) About 3 with a small 500 reports.
    5. Svarog75
      0
      23 August 2014 05: 31
      Well, these will not let
  3. RUSLAT
    +25
    21 August 2014 21: 58
    About such calls were before the First World War. How it all ended is known. Now there is no point in bringing troops into Novorossia, victory is near, but help is mandatory, skillfully.
    1. +7
      21 August 2014 22: 06
      Help: at night to distill equipment and people. A lot, otherwise we’ll lose New Russia
      1. +3
        22 August 2014 04: 09
        1) If you don’t see the help doesn’t mean that it is not there - Ukrainians have a hard time repairing equipment. enterprises rebuild, while militias in the field. Moreover, parasitism of 1 car at the expense of another will not work here - in the best case, it will turn out a tractor. 2) Who trains the militia and where? 3) Are you sure that the militia command does not use real-time information support from the General Staff? And intelligence. summaries?

        Well, screams about the need to send troops, articles about the fact that the NATO bloc can’t right now - it's just stupid provocations - are pushing us into a trap.
    2. +3
      21 August 2014 22: 14
      Carefully, as the GDP says.
    3. DMB-88
      +9
      21 August 2014 22: 15
      Quote: RUSLAT
      victory is near, but help is mandatory, skillfully.


      Victory is still far ....
      Here's what our president can do: stop all commercial activities ukro.oligarchs on the territory of the Russian Federation. Ask the parashenka to politely withdraw the troops from Donbass and under no circumstances "offend" the Russians on the outskirts. RF.
    4. +1
      21 August 2014 22: 30
      Quote: RUSLAT
      How it all ended is known.

      A short truce and the capture of Berlin in the 45th.
    5. +9
      21 August 2014 23: 59
      + Finally, the first sensible comment, otherwise Genghis Khan was dragged here, the West and Sashiki and Kiev just wait not to wait for the official invasion; they need a real reason, and not delirium fictitious by the Kiev junta, so as not just sanctions, but to unleash a whole war against Russia, therefore, the GDP is far from simple, he understands what this threatens and what ultimately spills out for our country, and you cannot correctly send troops, at least the first, will consider it an invasion, but if someone brings in troops, let’s say, then we have the right to subscribe on the reverse side, but they won’t do anything, they provoke us, no matter how komenty sounds, we will erase everyone and everything, ask yourself if you want war so that Russia fights against half the world? War is a profit only for the United States because it is not in their territory, but if there are mbrs with warheads, they can now be touched, because they don’t put it on hard, they bite it. And we help the militia, some with money, and some with volunteers (and equipment, etc.), otherwise the militia would grow several times in such a short time, it’s a miracle somehow, so there’s no room for panic articles, men are fighting and they need support, both moral and material, and what do you think they don’t get it, but of course they get it, but just to have more often and that’s all, they themselves are not bad at squeezing the equipment, and secretly, for sure, we also have ammunition for something exotic and so on send necessary. I just want to sincerely wish good luck and a speedy victory !!! A lot of ordinary civilians perishing every day would rather have overthrown this Kiev b ... uncle.
  4. +14
    21 August 2014 22: 01
    "the mockery that Ukraine arranged around the humanitarian convoy ..." this is a war of nerves, and while we are winning ... they are raging, we are patiently waiting, and the whole world is watching ... and drawing conclusions (hopefully correct, not quite they are stupid)
    1. +4
      21 August 2014 22: 32
      Quote: sborka
      and the whole world observes ... and draws conclusions (I hope they are correct, they are not exactly stupid)

      Not really. And we grow dumber when we expect understanding from the "whole world".
  5. +12
    21 August 2014 22: 02
    "Moscow must not allow itself to be dragged into the conflict."

    The dead cannot be resurrected; the crippled cannot return health.
    Ukrainians, whose profession is to defend their homeland, must realize who the enemy of Ukraine is.
    From merikashek and bandits in power comes a threat to Ukraine.
    What kind of independence can we talk about when the head of the SBU is an American spy, each minister has an American deputy?
    And the tsruls occupy an entire floor in the SBU building, and even with a separate entrance from the street.
  6. +6
    21 August 2014 22: 03
    In general, in geopolitical terms, there is only one way out for Russia and Putin, the victory of the militia over the whole of Ukraine. Since in the event of the separation of Ukraine or the victory of Kiev, we get a state on the border, compared with which the Baltic states, well, these are simply the most cordial allies. But Putin’s campaign, a cycle for federalization, which is physically no longer possible, given the level of hatred between the parties.
    1. +4
      21 August 2014 22: 18
      Quote: tomket
      But Putin’s campaign, cycling on federalization

      Finally, someone knows what he wants, in the end, Putin)).
    2. +6
      21 August 2014 22: 33
      Initially, yes. But recently, federalization has not been discussed at all. How will the inhabitants of Donbass live under one roof with those who tried to wipe them off the face of the earth ?!
      "Novorossia" is not only Donetsk and Lugansk, it is the entire South-East. And people live there too, Russian in spirit. But what about Kiev - the mother of Russian cities? What about the Transcarpathian Rusyns and Hutsuls? And what about Transnistria and Gagauzia? All these territories do not have to be part of Russia. After all, borders do not interfere with Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
      Of course, a completely different question is how long it will take to implement and in what form it will be possible to implement the plans ... But it will be necessary !!!
      1. +1
        21 August 2014 23: 07
        Quote: MilesAth
        But recently, federalization has not been discussed at all.

        Well, it’s understandable, at the initial stage for Putin, the federalization of Ukraine was more profitable, because the uprising took place only in two areas, instead of at least eight. Therefore, I wanted a whole but neutral Ukraine, than a pro-Russian piece, and an embittered larger piece of Ukraine as an appendage. And in fact for a short period we were at a standstill. And the continuation will probably be so. Taking into account the increasingly frequent reports of Kharkov partisans and movements in Odessa, the fighting will be conducted either until they spread (hence the reason for leaving Strelkov’s media field) to most of the regions, or until they agree with Obama, seeing the stalemate with both sides.
      2. +1
        21 August 2014 23: 27
        How will the inhabitants of Donbass live under one roof with those who tried to wipe them off the face of the earth ?! The question is good, of course. But there is one more. Imagine that the militias will defeat dill and a truce will be announced with the recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR. After the war, everything will be in ruins, a circle of devastation. How will people live and who will restore all for what means? Certainly not Ukraine. Russia? God forbid Russia to pull out the Crimea, but it certainly will not pull the Donbass.
        1. +2
          21 August 2014 23: 37
          Quote: Andrew K.
          How will the inhabitants of Donbass live under one roof with those who tried to wipe them off the face of the earth ?! The question is good, of course. But there is one more. Imagine that the militias will defeat dill and a truce will be announced with the recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR. After the war, everything will be in ruins, a circle of devastation. How will people live and who will restore all for what means? Certainly not Ukraine. Russia? God forbid Russia to pull out the Crimea, but it certainly will not pull the Donbass.


          And where do you get such confidence that it will not pull? And where does Crimea need to be pulled from? Clarify please.
    3. +6
      21 August 2014 22: 54
      tomket (1) RU Today, 22:03 PM New
      In general, in geopolitical terms, there is only one way out for Russia and Putin, the victory of the militia over all of Ukraine. "
      ..in RIANEWS in the section actual commentary Ishchenko article on the topic of the meeting of Putin VV on August 26 in Minsk ..
      "No man is an island"
      "In such conditions, the meaning of Vladimir Putin's participation in the event fits into the framework of calming down the CU allies, who are worried about the too drastic change in Russian foreign and economic policy (in principle, nothing can cause more concern for Kazakhstan than the prospect of a close Russian-Chinese military -political and economic union).
      However, the Russian president is alone against a cohesive Euro-Ukrainian front, based on the benevolent neutrality of Kazakhstan and playing along with Belarus. Under these conditions, the negotiating position of Russia will inevitably be subjected to consolidated pressure, and the information picture from the summit may prove far from winning for the President of the Russian Federation.
      The situation can be corrected only by a sharp change in the situation on the fronts of New Russia. Now the militia has practically stopped the advance of the Kiev punishers and is making successful counterattacks of local importance. In this mode, it is quite capable of crushing Kiev by winter, but the success of the militia is still too small to fundamentally affect the course of the Minsk meeting.
      But if the militia managed to break through the punitive front and launch a serious offensive with decisive goals (at least endangering Kharkov), the anti-Russian game in Minsk would be broken, and the players had to quickly delve into the new agenda. ""
      http://ria.ru/analytics/20140821/1020881688.html#14086453921344&message=resize&r
      elto = login & action = removeClass & value = registration # ixzz3B3QkJNRv
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  7. +8
    21 August 2014 22: 03
    I support. If the army entered the territory of the southeast, not committing war crimes, but destroying war criminals, bringing peace and tranquility with them, saving the lives of the population — its advance would be supported.
    And if I brought borsch in the field kitchens for the locals - so it was possible to reach Poland ...
    Bandera are strong only against the civilian population "to fight", against real force - if only on Facebook ...
    1. +2
      21 August 2014 23: 02
      So Ruin only dreams - so that as soon as the war begins he immediately takes and surrenders and then sends himself to himself - well, how could Nenko make friends against a big and evil Russia - and again to our grub for free
    2. +10
      21 August 2014 23: 24
      Quote: Michael_59
      Enter the army in the southeast,

      Good, correct, in honor and conscience koment!
      But you can’t act like that! Geopolitics, strategic interests of the state are above emotions! POLICY is called. I will explain, as far as I can, my thought.
      1. Only we would go to Dill, on the other hand the Americans and K * from NATO entered it. Deja vu! Meeting on the Dnieper! (Previously was on the Elbe).
      2. We are the aggressors in the eyes of the whole world. New cold war. The end of our dynamic development. all means would be eaten by the defense industry and the militarization of the whole life of society.
      Quote: Michael_59
      bringing peace and tranquility

      Yes, but only for Novorossia, part of Ukraine, having forever lost the whole country.
      3. But the guerrilla war we would rake in the full scheme. Afghan on Slavic land - the dream of the Anglo-Saxons! This is just what is needed to rock the situation in Russia on the eve of the election.
      4. 18 green lards would be useful for our fifth column. I do not agree - to barricades, to rallies, to actions of civil disobedience ...
      At the same time, you do not at all take into account the degree of propaganda fooling the population of Ukropia, especially young people.
      Quote: Michael_59
      Bandera are strong only against the civilian population "to fight"
      It's true. The Bandera underground (note that in the rank of traitors, accomplices of the fascists, and not national "heroes" fighting Putin for the "independent" Kraina!) Our NKVD and regular military forces were eradicated before 56! Therefore, they and the green forest brothers of the Balts cling to each other.
      5. Well, as for other unfinished wickedness, Americans from all over the world would have collected and shoved Pu to Ukraine into the "fighters against the bloody usurper".
      6. Yes, even a terrorist war would begin on the territory of the Russian Federation.
      7. Against this background, NATO would rally, under the influence of REAL, and not fictional fear.
      8. Ideological and propaganda slop on the head of the authorities would howl (left, right, liberals, democrats, states and K * - all who are not lazy!) So much that in the years of the twentieth century was not! I personally am not sure that in the absence of a coherent state ideology, our society would not split into warring clans fighting each other.
      9. They would launch a project of Z. Brzezinski on the division of the Russian Federation into specific principalities, tearing the country along national lines.
      10. Production would have collapsed by outbidding our fellow travelers ...
      In short, NOT ICE!
      Therefore, VV Putin has only one road: to support the DPR and LPR in their struggle for ALL (!) Ukraine, cleansed by the patriots themselves from Bandera dishonor! The blockade of unlawful decisions of the UN Security Council on the internationalization of the conflict, the threat of the use of force when trying to intervene by force in the dismantling of the civil war of our "partners". And all this should be accompanied by a powerful propaganda campaign against the Western inhabitant! In the spirit of RT.ru. relying on sympathetic, sane, such as Marie Le Pen, for example.
      IMHO.
      1. +3
        22 August 2014 00: 47
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        1. Only we would go to Dill, on the other hand the Americans and K * from NATO entered it. Deja vu! Meeting on the Dnieper! (Previously was on the Elbe).
        2. We are the aggressors in the eyes of the whole world. New cold war. The end of our dynamic development. all means would be eaten by the defense industry and the militarization of the whole life of society.
        3. But the guerrilla war we would rake in the full scheme. Afghan on Slavic land - the dream of the Anglo-Saxons! This is just what is needed to rock the situation in Russia on the eve of the election.
        4. 18 green lards would be useful for our fifth column. I do not agree - to barricades, to rallies, to actions of civil disobedience ...
        At the same time, you do not at all take into account the degree of propaganda fooling the population of Ukropia, especially young people.

        5. Well, as for other unfinished wickedness, Americans from all over the world would have collected and shoved Pu to Ukraine into the "fighters against the bloody usurper".
        6. Yes, even a terrorist war would begin on the territory of the Russian Federation.
        7. Against this background, NATO would rally, under the influence of REAL, and not fictional fear.
        8. Ideological and propaganda slop on the head of the authorities would howl (left, right, liberals, democrats, states and K * - all who are not lazy!) So much that in the years of the twentieth century was not! I personally am not sure that in the absence of a coherent state ideology, our society would not split into warring clans fighting each other.
        9. They would launch a project of Z. Brzezinski on the division of the Russian Federation into specific principalities, tearing the country along national lines.
        10. Production would have collapsed by outbidding our fellow travelers ...

        Therefore, VV Putin has only one road: to support the DPR and LPR in their struggle for ALL (!) Ukraine, cleansed by the patriots themselves from Bandera dishonor! The blockade of unlawful decisions of the UN Security Council on the internationalization of the conflict, the threat of the use of force when trying to intervene by force in the dismantling of the civil war of our "partners". And all this should be accompanied by a powerful propaganda campaign against the Western inhabitant! In the spirit of RT.ru. relying on sympathetic, sane, such as Marie Le Pen, for example.

        POLICY is called. I will refute as far as I can your thought.
        1.We have already gone to dill (Crimea for the West, just like Novorossia-Ukropovsky) and where is the meeting at Perekop? We almost reached Tbilisi in 2008, so what?
        2. We are already aggressors in "the eyes of the whole world" even without the introduction of troops. Rosstat speaks eloquently about dynamic development, God forbid by the end of the year to pull out growth at least 1 percent.
        3. The partisan war in New Russia?
        4. Our Caspar-German Indians will not give so much. But the patriots themselves will not take.
        5. Now do not pop?
        6. Why is it not after Crimea? Why is she not in response to volunteers in New Russia?
        7. And what is the fear for NATO?
        8. Ideological "slops" are useful for any power from bronze. It is unlikely that their number from the introduction of troops will be different from no introduction.
        9. Well, crap. After 2008 it was necessary to launch. And what would probably also be the "Dulles plan" and "protocols of the Elders of Zion"
        10. There will be no physical production in the South East soon.
        Regarding the powerful propaganda campaign in the West with the help of RT, this is strong. RT everyone is watching wink in the West. And Marie Le Pen is the president of France, someday, in the future. And Novorossia needs help now, and not thieves', at night, but open and comprehensive. That's when we'll talk about the prospects "in their struggle for ALL (!) Ukraine."
        1. +1
          22 August 2014 06: 56
          Very weak against the Boa KAA.
        2. +1
          23 August 2014 18: 23
          Quote: Karabin
          I will deny how much I can your thought.

          Dear, let me disagree with you.
          1. Crimea is a native Russian territory. And in the West they know this very well. Moreover, when it became part of the Russian Federation, all the details of the protocol and the law were respected. And they know that too. So, from the formal and essential points of view, nothing shines here for the staff. But! They were counting on bases in the Crimea! And secondly, it is necessary to pit two Slavic peoples to their greatest pleasure ... Russia to tie its hands so that it is not up to Syria and SEA, where new adventures of the Amers will soon unfold.
          2. Regarding the "aggressors". For some reason, it seemed to me, unlike you, that there are more and more people in the world who woke up from the propaganda anesthesia of the Yusers and looked at what was happening with a sober look.
          If they got involved in a military adventure, then even 1% would not exist. And sanctions are good as long as we do not introduce retaliatory ones. Now the mongrels whined about the "incompetence of the Kremlin's response." Many started talking about their imminent cancellation, which is essentially a blow to the EU's trade relations with us, to the Common Market as one of the centers of power. Well, we have to screw up, not without it, of course!
          3. Partisan warfare throughout Ukraine. For if we get involved, so for the liberation of the whole country, maybe we need a friendly democratic ally, and not an angry migrant shortened to the southeast with NATO bases on our territory.
          4. So I didn’t invent it! That Congress of the United States decided. Do you think they will invest them in our defense industry !?
          5. Now, too, but with an eye to obv. opinion. But when our troops entered Ukraine, they themselves would be recruited and delivered to the place. The scale is different!
          6. Commands "not given", and the office works well. But in a different situation, Odessa could have turned, or Volgodonsk.
          7. The Baltic states are already whining that Moscow is preparing their occupation. NATO is expanding its military presence in the Baltic states on an ongoing basis. And what would happen if ours took ALL of the dill!
          8. I’m not sure that a new propaganda war against us would not bring sad results. They would play at national discord, income level of various population groups, etc. The main thing is to raise doubts about the leadership, its goals, the rightness of the matter, and then just come on! 90's experience is available!
          9. Z. Brzezinski replied to Obama: "It was necessary to end with Russia in 91, and now it's too late" - so you are not far from the truth. They will take away Pu, shake the situation, bring down the economy and divide. And perhaps the plan of the Moscow State University will be introduced, for complete clarity. And these are not empty words: the line for the division of the Siberian pantry was set for 2020, according to the estimates of the competent authorities. S. Glazyev - 2016-2018 So, there is no smoke without fire.
          10. I was talking about our, in fact, production, and not about SE.
          Quote: Karabin
          POLICY is called.

          The unforgettable Otto von Bismarck once said: "Politics is the art of the possible," and not your correct "wishes", without taking into account the political realities and the consequences of the decisions made for Russia. Putin, in my humble opinion, is doing everything right, not giving a reason to drag the country into an open confrontation with the West. And what you are proposing, dear, is a direct path to a new Cold War with unpredictable consequences for us. Or do you doubt this in your URYA-patriotic fervor? Well, well ... As one tiger said to another, looking at the new trainer: "We'll chew - we'll see!" hi
        3. +1
          23 August 2014 18: 41
          Quote: Karabin
          And New Russia needs help now, and not thieves, at night, but open and comprehensive.

          Right from the emotional and moral point of view. But read at your leisure http://www.stoletie.ru/politika/nikolaj_leonov_politika__jest_iskusstvo_vozmozhn
          ogo_a_ne_zhelajemogo_930.htm
          and answer me, what am I wrong from the state, not the philistine point of view !?
      2. +2
        22 August 2014 06: 53
        I applaud your thoughts! Everything is absolutely correct. And there is no need to squeal that "everything is lost".
      3. +1
        22 August 2014 10: 07
        I fully support! I thought the other day and it became scary - it would be if all this bloody propaganda machine of the West, all its power, as planned, fell upon Russia ... it’s very scary - a goofy people with blurred reason against the aggressor Putin and all of Russia
  8. +4
    21 August 2014 22: 05
    This confectioner will bring quite a few troubles with his curators.
  9. Stalker
    +13
    21 August 2014 22: 05
    HELLO, RIDNA UKRAINE, HELLO MASSIVE PSYCHOSIS !!! A-USA, A-EUROPA, why did you quiet down with a downed Boeing ... Why so suddenly ?. What have you become modest ... Do not be ashamed, share !!! Or only Maidans learned to do?
    1. +6
      21 August 2014 22: 11
      Stalker, did not finish, and shoot at peaceful unarmed people.
    2. +2
      22 August 2014 00: 49
      Asked to pass ..... wassat
  10. sergeybulkin
    +4
    21 August 2014 22: 08
    What kind of volunteers for ..... massive carpet bombing is needed and not volunteers, BUT not only cities and sewing factories as it was in the Balkans, but the Nazi troops and their military equipment. The only way.
    1. AVIATOR36662
      +5
      21 August 2014 22: 30
      Almost everyone who worked 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. still in service, they know how to quickly bring an aggressor to peace. In fact. If the Duma has a gut for recognition of the DPR and LPR, then hold a quick referendum in Russia for the recognition of New Russia, as advised by competent people. It’s good that the Duma is literate there are, and not just former artists, former boxers, former gymnasts, former skaters, old singers, aged chess players, etc.
      1. +3
        21 August 2014 23: 33
        Quote: AVIATOR36662
        hold a quick referendum in Russia on the recognition of New Russia,

        It will not work with a referendum. Who will collect signatures and when, and they are required a lot? No one needs him, neither the authorities (with the recognition of the DPR and LPR, it would have done without a referendum, and the Duma would not have gone anywhere), nor the old Leontyev Fedorovs and other Izborsk-imperials who can only patriotically flood, but as far as business goes, "Putin is better knows. " Even if there are signatures, it is not a fact that the referendum will reach. An example is the referendum against the WTO.
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  12. +3
    21 August 2014 22: 14
    Negotiations are necessary in any case, even in order to confirm the clinical diagnosis, which was stupid from frenzied anger, lies and greed of the self-proclaimed, bloody regime. The psychiatrist speaks with his patients ...
  13. Stalker
    +18
    21 August 2014 22: 16
    August 21 - Officer's Day! soldier drinks
    Congratulations to all the officers !!! I HONOR !!!!! soldier
    1. +3
      21 August 2014 22: 22
      wink The main thing is not from Yudashkin.
    2. vedross
      +14
      21 August 2014 22: 22
      It has been my dream since childhood! And I achieved it back in 1989. Oryol Higher Military Command School of Communications named after M.I. Kalinin. Happy holiday, men!
      1. +12
        21 August 2014 22: 39
        Aleksandr is lucky for you. And I was born without a dream practically in a tank, all my childhood on training grounds and toys - "flies" shot. And I don't regret it!
  14. +11
    21 August 2014 22: 20
    Regarding the recognition of New Russia, I agree with the author. And I believe that it will be. Only now this question is a subject of great political bargaining and one does not need, as they say, to climb across the dad into hell.
    But the next calls for the introduction of troops cannot be called otherwise than as a provocation. Only a person very distant from the real situation can say this, not familiar with either politics, military affairs, or real information. And not familiar with the current attitude of the population of Ukraine towards Russia.
    I understand that everyone’s emotions go wild, it’s hard to calmly look at what is happening in Ukraine. But even to drive a car, you first need to get rights, but what about driving a state? And his politics? Maybe enough incompetent opinions? Let us respect the policies and decisions of the Supreme Command.
    1. +3
      21 August 2014 22: 28
      "Maybe incompetent opinions are enough?"

      And where is the criterion of competent opinion? Personally, I got tired of everything, I sit Kalash stroking, soon in business, at the moment I see the truth in him.
      1. +2
        22 August 2014 00: 50
        Quote: Barracuda
        "Maybe incompetent opinions are enough?"

        And where is the criterion of competent opinion? Personally, I got tired of everything, I sit Kalash stroking, soon in business, at the moment I see the truth in him.

        And I have only smooth trunks!
      2. 0
        22 August 2014 14: 28
        Quote: Barracuda
        Personally, I got tired of everything, I sit Kalash stroking, soon in business, at the moment I see the truth in him.

        Thank you men Russia is alive including you.
    2. +5
      21 August 2014 22: 43
      Quote: Reserve officer

      Reserve officer


      Today, 22: 20

      ↓ New


      Regarding the recognition of New Russia, I agree with the author. And I believe that it will be. Only now this question is a subject of great political bargaining and it is not necessary, as they say, to climb across the dad into hell. But regular calls for the introduction of troops cannot be called otherwise than as a provocation. Only a person very distant from the real situation can say this, not familiar with either politics, military affairs, or real information.

      And here is what the author of the article wrote in 2012:
      Mr. Putin is trying on his mantle of defender of the Fatherland
      Presidential candidate Mr Putin recently erupted in another program article about how he is going to benefit the country. The article is devoted to an extremely painful topic - the state of the Armed Forces and the military-industrial complex of Russia. Mr. Putin, as always, shows sincere surprise at how bad everything is. Judging by the text, the plight of the army and the military-industrial complex (as, incidentally, of the other spheres of life in Russia) came as a complete surprise to him. As if he was not the Supreme Commander-in-Chief from 2000 to 2008. and is not now the prime minister.
      After all, it is well known that the deindustrialization of Russia, which began during the reign of Mr. Yeltsin, accelerated under Mr. Putin. The electronic industry and instrumentation, the ammunition industry (without which any weapon systems are meaningless) are almost finished off.
      Mr. Putin’s crucial article has a key phrase. He writes enthusiastically: "The Armed Forces - as an employer - are becoming increasingly competitive." That's the whole way of thinking of the candidate for Supreme Commander-in-Chief: the army - as a business project. And if this business goes bankrupt, then that's okay. After all, the current government of the Russian Federation, headed by the prime minister, is an LLC. No, not three zeros. Although this is close to the truth. This is a "limited liability company." Rather, with a complete, in my opinion, lack of responsibility for the country's security.

      V.N. Tetyokin
      member of the State Duma Defense Committee
    3. +1
      21 August 2014 23: 11
      Our Western, so to speak, "partners" in dialogue understand only one argument - the power one. This is what it is necessary to present - to demand an unconditional ceasefire and the withdrawal of all ukrovoyaks from the DPR and LPR. In case of refusal to firmly declare the recognition of the DPR, LPR, Novorossia and Transnistria with all the consequences ...
      1. +3
        21 August 2014 23: 14
        Quote: OldWiser
        Our Western, so to speak, "partners" in dialogue understand only one argument - the power one. This is what it is necessary to present - to demand an unconditional ceasefire and the withdrawal of all ukrovoyaks from the DPR and LPR. In case of refusal to firmly declare the recognition of the DPR, LPR, Novorossia and Transnistria with all the consequences ...


        What argument do you mean? Troops to enter? This is not an option. The people living in the territory that used to be called Ukraine must deal with the scum who came to power.
    4. +1
      21 August 2014 23: 13
      In recognition, friends could help: Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Argentina and there would be nothing to cover.
      1. +3
        21 August 2014 23: 17
        Quote: Owl27
        In recognition, friends could help: Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Argentina and there would be nothing to cover.


        Now, when they recognize, I mean Nicaragua, Venezuela, Argentina, and then we can talk about it.
        And it will turn out like in 2008. It seems all the allies, but no one supported, even Belarus and Kazakhstan.
      2. +1
        21 August 2014 23: 38
        Quote: Owl27
        In recognition, friends could help: Abkhazia, South Ossetia

        A long time ago))
        http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1815555.html
        1. +1
          21 August 2014 23: 43
          Quote: ctepx
          Quote: Owl27
          In recognition, friends could help: Abkhazia, South Ossetia

          A long time ago))
          http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1815555.html


          There is a small problem, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia are not recognized by anyone other than us (dwarf states do not count).
          1. +1
            21 August 2014 23: 49
            Quote: DV69
            There is a small problem, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia are not recognized by anyone other than us

            What does not prevent these "unrecognized republics" from officially participating in organizing assistance to the militia, incl. military)).
            Therefore, by the way, the lack of official recognition of New Russia by Russia at the moment is uncritical.
            1. +1
              21 August 2014 23: 55
              Quote: ctepx

              What does not prevent these "unrecognized republics" from officially participating in organizing assistance to the militia, incl. military)).
              Therefore, by the way, the lack of official recognition of New Russia by Russia at the moment is uncritical.


              Nothing bothers. And as far as I know, these republics provide such assistance.
  15. Mih
    +1
    21 August 2014 22: 20
    Against this background, an economic factor arises, because winter is approaching, gas reserves in the storage facilities of Ukraine are depleted, and coal is not supplied.

    Negotiations are needed in any case, even to confirm the clinical diagnosis. fellow
    HELLO, RIDNA UKRAINE, HELLO MASSIVE PSYCHOSIS !!! A-USA, A-EUROPA, why did you quiet down with a downed Boeing ... Why so suddenly? request
    I agree with you. love
  16. Ivan 63
    +2
    21 August 2014 22: 23
    It becomes obvious that the use of force against punishers is inevitable, it is just a matter of time, which is now working in Russia itself to drop the rating of the President and simply drops the weight of Russia as a state in the eyes of those sympathetic - the obvious mockery of Kiev in the issue of humanitarian assistance exceeds all possible limits. I hope that, nevertheless, the Kiev junta will be tried and this is important, not in Moscow - they are not worthy of this, but in Rostov and no later than December, New Russia should meet free 2015.
  17. +10
    21 August 2014 22: 27
    It is high time to react to insults from the USA, for example, to free them from the Fuhrer Obama.
  18. Sergeqr
    +3
    21 August 2014 22: 29
    React.
    They help.
    Victory will be with us.
    With Russia and New Russia.
  19. +4
    21 August 2014 22: 30
    Quote: Stalker
    August 21 - Officer's Day! soldier drinks
    Congratulations to all the officers !!! I HONOR !!!!! soldier

    Bye by the Russian soldier
    There is gunpowder, matches, moonshine,
    May hell ... ut NATO soldiers,
    And the Pentagon will rise in cancer! soldier
    1. 0
      22 August 2014 09: 03
      I would write the third line like this:
      "let NATO soldiers piss in their pants" otherwise it can be mistaken for propaganda of homosexuality
  20. Stalker
    +6
    21 August 2014 22: 31
    Quote: Kenji
    It is high time to react to insults from the USA, for example, to free them from the Fuhrer Obama.


    Counter option .... good laughing
    1. +1
      21 August 2014 22: 42
      Well Ivanovich pleased before going to bed! Class!
    2. waisson
      +9
      21 August 2014 23: 00
      -------------- soldier
      1. KUKLA
        0
        24 August 2014 20: 02
        This statue is Motherland Calling !!!
  21. VICTOR-61
    +3
    21 August 2014 22: 32
    Yes they are ukrobandera themselves soon they will shoot each other panic is felt there is no gas there is no heat the hryvnia collapsed the economy is on the verge investors are fleeing the Minister of Economy resigned - I realized there is nothing to save coal for 40 days the troops will soon go to Kiev because we have to do Russia there there’s nothing, but it’s even more necessary to help politely politely
  22. +1
    21 August 2014 22: 34
    In my opinion, this is another provocation.
  23. +1
    21 August 2014 22: 35


    Counter option .... good laughing

    Yes, also a great picture laughing
  24. +5
    21 August 2014 22: 35
    vsemu svoe vremja, sometimes slovom dobjosja bolse tsem stykom
  25. 3vs
    +5
    21 August 2014 22: 36
    It seems that if the boar on August 26 doesn’t take any steps to stop
    war in the territory of New Russia, the process of recognizing New Russia with all will be launched
    flowing ...
    1. +3
      21 August 2014 23: 18
      And the rearrangements at the top of SE are also not without reason, the impression is that the legitimate elections of the government of New Russia are being prepared. Prepare candidates
  26. +1
    21 August 2014 22: 40
    If now Ukraine is mocking this with humanitarian aid, what will happen in the winter when it will be necessary to supply gas to Novorossia? And help with energy supplies will be needed.
    This would give an additional argument to the supporters of friendship with Russia.
  27. +10
    21 August 2014 22: 43
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/359/kkrh14.jpg
  28. +2
    21 August 2014 23: 00
    Often, the non-use of force leads to fatal consequences. This is exactly what happened now, but we still got sanctions. There would be nothing close to that bacchanalia, massacre and destruction, which are already in Novorossia, if we use force.

    I agree completely. Moreover, they could use force without introducing large-scale ground forces (which they fear, to wet pants on both sides of the so-called border). Aviation, missiles, saboteurs, specialists. Everything worked out for us
    In addition, recognition of the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics is necessary.

    It was necessary to put the first point. The non-recognition of the republics dealt a severe blow to the pro-Russian forces in the rest of New Russia. For the Russian authorities, Novorossia is now like a suitcase without a handle. Carrying (recognizing) is not convenient, and you cannot quit (you can interrogate). This half-position has largely contributed to the situation in which the DPR and LPR are now. It seems that they are not defeated, but there is not enough forces for the offensive. Moreover, thousands of dead and wounded, hundreds of thousands of refugees, destroyed housing and infrastructure.
    The photo in the title of the article is correct. Since the authorities do not want to recognize New Russia, one must ask the people. But it will not come to this, it is not accepted in the Russian Federation.
  29. +3
    21 August 2014 23: 02
    A small insider ...
    “In three weeks, the Ukrainian army lost half of the artillery, and the Air Force is no more,” a source in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. "Change of tactics", declared Poroshenko during a meeting with security officials on August 18,
    1. +3
      21 August 2014 23: 21
      Quote: Russ69
      For three weeks, the Ukrainian army lost half of the artillery, and the Air Force is no more

      Pyrrhus at least achieved victory by losing his troops.
  30. Crimea-nyash
    +7
    21 August 2014 23: 05
    yes, to be honest, this country has already gotten sick of morons. where mothers were for the war against Russia, but so that their children could sit at home, where hatred of Russia was already set on a scientifically sound platform, nothing could be achieved by the world. state forming. it’s time to send troops, but there is a reason and there will be more .. otherwise we’ll wait that there will simply be nobody to help on the South East.
  31. Mih
    +1
    21 August 2014 23: 14
    Quote: Moment
    Something with this schizophrenia should be done in the very near future. It is even difficult to imagine that such nonsense can be carried at all.

    All West Pssaki. Psaki can carry not such nonsense. What can I say - mu ... ki, and that is too softly said. Acute schizophrenia, like sluggish, is incurable. laughing
  32. +6
    21 August 2014 23: 21
    I went to see the news of Ukraine - there is no censor --- looked: Lord, of such a quantity and so on. l b. about. e.b. I’ve never met in my life. It's like a cockroach trap.
  33. +6
    21 August 2014 23: 23
    Well, here’s an adequate answer. For those who don’t understand who they are rocking at.
    Mind does not understand Russia,
    No yardstick to measure:
    She has a special feature -
    You can only believe in Russia.
    I.F. Tyutchev
  34. +2
    21 August 2014 23: 24
    No, I had previously heard about dill, but then I decided to see with my own eyes --- there is not a drop of history and common sense.
  35. +4
    21 August 2014 23: 24
    Quote: Stock Officer
    Regarding the recognition of New Russia, I agree with the author. And I believe that it will be. Only now this question is a subject of great political bargaining and one does not need, as they say, to climb across the dad into hell.
    But the next calls for the introduction of troops cannot be called otherwise than as a provocation. Only a person very distant from the real situation can say this, not familiar with either politics, military affairs, or real information. And not familiar with the current attitude of the population of Ukraine towards Russia.
    I understand that everyone’s emotions go wild, it’s hard to calmly look at what is happening in Ukraine. But even to drive a car, you first need to get rights, but what about driving a state? And his politics? Maybe enough incompetent opinions? Let us respect the policies and decisions of the Supreme Command.

    Dear, have you read the article carefully? There is not a word about the need to bring in troops. As for the convoy with humanitarian aid, in recent days it has begun to turn into FARs major - almost 300 vehicles stupidly buried themselves at the state border, and not there, and not here. I would not be surprised if the dill demanded to check our drivers' underwear (if it is army, camouflage) and ours would agree. And in the meantime, when the convoy was just about to move out of the Moscow region, the head of Chechnya (you can treat him differently) unloaded more than a dozen trucks at the same border, handed over the cargo to the militia for the same residents of Novorossia - and without any PR - " nix "! Just a short TV story. That's it, colleague!
    1. +2
      21 August 2014 23: 30
      Quote: Radikal
      And in the meantime, when the convoy was just about to move out of the Moscow region, the head of Chechnya (you can treat him differently) unloaded more than a dozen trucks there at the border, the cargo was handed over to the militias for the same residents of Novorossia - and without any PR - " nix "! Just a short TV story. That's it, colleague!


      Well, and held a cover event. A clone of humanitarian aid is a plus to everything and a PR campaign.
    2. -2
      22 August 2014 00: 01
      Quote: Radikal
      As for the convoy with humanitarian aid, in the last days it began to turn into a Fars major

      More precisely, in the PR campaign of the Kremlin. Which, more and more shows his weakness ...
      the head of Chechnya (you can treat him differently) unloaded more than a dozen trucks in the same place at the border, handed over the cargo to the militia for the same residents of Novorossia - and without any PR - "shukher"

      A man said a man did ...
      1. 0
        22 August 2014 00: 58
        Quote: Russ69
        A man said a man did ...

        Try on yourself!
  36. +1
    21 August 2014 23: 28
    to admit - not to admit, sheer fortuneteller! if they recognized right away, would there be such resistance to ukra as it is now, or would they hope for Russia and wait for its troops? But there is no statehood and what to do with this recognition? Now there are rudiments of government. organs, the army - one might think in a creative direction.
    Now Novorossia needs to withstand, unite realistically, and not declaratively, and throw the invaders from its territory, bring claims to Ukraine for the damage done to international bodies (even if they are ignored at the moment), i.e. declare yourself as a held state-ve !!! And then Russia’s hands will be untied and there’s no need to ask Kuev’s favor for gum. Help from New Russia and Europe will not say anything - gum. help cannot be prohibited.
  37. 0
    21 August 2014 23: 32
    You must not allow your emotions to be higher than Geopolitics. If We immediately brought in troops, we would get very big trouble.
    1. +1
      21 August 2014 23: 36
      Quote: vladds
      If We immediately brought in troops, we would get very big trouble.

      What?
  38. +3
    21 August 2014 23: 35
    In the DPR refused humanitarian aid in Kiev


    That's right and done, they have already fed the Maidan humanitarian aid with psychotropic substances. laughing
  39. 0
    21 August 2014 23: 46
    the author of the article is disingenuous, like anyone who has assets in the US and Europe. He perfectly understands what threatens his so-called adequate response - this will be the beginning of the world war, into which the Americans are trying to force us to drag us into it.
    To hell with such advisers.
  40. Sandah
    +1
    21 August 2014 23: 56
    Quote: Michael_59
    Bandera are strong only against the civilian population "to fight", against real force - if only on Facebook ...

    And then kuevo crying
  41. +2
    21 August 2014 23: 58
    Ukrainians for the war, but not with their own hands. They hoped that after they began to push the opposition forces, NATO would intervene, which would then give them victory — they were Europe, but something had gone wrong according to their plans
  42. MSA
    MSA
    +1
    22 August 2014 00: 00
    Ukrainians were always muddy, then they also showed candy wrappers
  43. +3
    22 August 2014 00: 02
    Let's assume that our leaders understand no less than ours, and they have everything under control.
    Let's say they intervened now, so what? All dogs will be hanged on Russia: "and there would be no such destruction, and we would have won ..." And we would have become enemies for tens of years, if not forever. And now grapes of anger are already ripening in Ukrainian society. If you interfere, then it should have been done at the very beginning, and better - 20 years ago.
    "... and a great power must respond appropriately to an insult." So far we are adequate, and any fist, even one shown from afar, is already inadequate. In the meantime, we show a big fig, in all directions, and the main thing now is not to put it away in doubts.
  44. +2
    22 August 2014 00: 04
    21.08.14. 23: 10 Message from the militia.

    "The army of Novorossia struck south of Happiness in the area of ​​Stukalova Beam. Information about who controls Stukalov Beam will appear in the near future. The destruction of the Ukrainian forces surrounded in Zhdanovka continues. The campaign of the punishers on Ilovaisk ended in an inglorious defeat."
    1. +2
      22 August 2014 00: 10
      Quote: Russ69
      21.08.14. 23: 10 Message from the militia.

      "The army of Novorossia struck south of Happiness in the area of ​​Stukalova Beam. Information about who controls Stukalov Beam will appear in the near future. The destruction of the Ukrainian forces surrounded in Zhdanovka continues. The campaign of the punishers on Ilovaisk ended in an inglorious defeat."


      Good news.
  45. 0
    22 August 2014 00: 22
    The deployment of troops is the last thing that can be done. Having introduced troops, Russia will put itself at the most disadvantageous position, because there is no clear border in Donetsk and Lugansk on ours and not ours. The first shot in the direction of the population will bury the entire existing image of Russia as a fighter for truth and justice. And how will we differ then from the Americans? Now the dill army is fighting against its people and with its people. Results are visible. Is this not enough for someone? Everything is already moving in the right direction. Will squeeze the militia ukrov to the borders of the DNI and LC, will stand there. They recognize their autonomy, then you can safely enter, and there will probably be no need. In such a war, their very efficient army is drawn. The goal is not to introduce an army. And achieve independence.
    1. 0
      22 August 2014 06: 51
      we definitely can't enter! we are immediately blamed for all the troubles that are happening now! they will say "we said that the Russians attacked us .." !!!!! hi
    2. 0
      22 August 2014 15: 17
      It's easy to reason while sitting on the couch. And there are already thousands of dead. And how many orphans, cripples, people who have lost their families and homes. They are now no better off from all this speculation about the "wisdom" of Russian diplomacy. And you can't resurrect the dead at all. Where to write to really hold a referendum in Russia on the recognition of the DPR and LPR. Already tired of hearing tales about what a "wise" government we have in the Russian Federation that does not recognize the republic in the South-East of Ukraine, does not introduce troops (even volunteers) and other nonsense.
  46. +2
    22 August 2014 00: 24
    strength has always been one of the decisive factors. Often, the non-use of force leads to fatal consequences. This is exactly what happened now, but we still got sanctions. There would be nothing close to that bacchanalia, slaughter and destruction that already exist in Novorossia, if we use force

    Article plus
  47. +2
    22 August 2014 00: 37
    Correctly said, I agree one hundred percent, to recognize the republic and answer harshly for insulting, only diplomatically no longer need.
  48. old man 72
    +2
    22 August 2014 00: 46
    I agree with the author of the article! The article is a huge plus. A strong state should adequately respond to insults and threats, otherwise significantly weak states will start to push it.
    1. 0
      22 August 2014 17: 44
      The reaction of Russia will follow unequivocally. Recently, Russia has not ignored a single bunch in its direction, and is doing the right thing. The bad thing is that not everyone still understood. Poroshenko from among the dull. However, in Minsk they will cleanse his brains, explaining that the United States has already leaked it, and the EU is holding a gun at his temple, announcing with the voice of Holland that the preliminary results of the investigation into the Boeing 777 disaster are ready. The deadline for their publication is therefore not indicated that the gun should not shoot now. Just Poroshenko should know that the gun is cocked. This is a guarantee of the transportation of Russian gas by Ukraine to the EU. This is what they will explain to its president in Minsk. A humanitarian convoy will reach anyone. Russia will squeeze. This will be her answer, because the convoy is humanitarian, and the consequences of his arrival in Ukraine will, yes already have !, political and military consequences. And not in favor of ukrokhunta.
  49. 0
    22 August 2014 02: 01
    Quote: EvilCat
    And let's not discuss where the Ukrainian language came from? It is with all my нdisrespect to Ukrainian scientists. And anyway, let's not mutually insult each other’s language, right? I position myself as a Ukrainian. I am fluent in Ukrainian and Russian. Perhaps even better, claiming to be true Ukrainians or Russians. Do not be offended by either one or the other.
    By the way about history. Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses. Respect yourself.

    And I’m running a hundred-meter race as quickly as any Kenyan, and I can do samba better than any Brazilian ... Since you are so smart and talented, why is your country located where it is now?
  50. +1
    22 August 2014 02: 13
    A stable supply of weapons and food is all that is required, there are enough people in pay and so on. You can give them money, for example, looking for helicopter pilots, then a dozen and a half 24-ok, and let them finally solve the problem with the incessant artillery shelling of cities.
  51. EsTaF
    +1
    22 August 2014 03: 08
    I've been watching this news for days now. About humanitarian aid. And I just don’t understand one simple detail. Why was it necessary to lead it through areas where Ukrainian troops are stationed?
    There is the east of the LPR. South-East of the LPR, where the militias border on the Russian Federation.
    1. +1
      22 August 2014 03: 23
      Then it would definitely be announced that Russia would supply weapons to eastern Ukraine, under the guise of a humanitarian convoy. It would be presented to the whole world as a Russian military invasion of dill. And what the hell do we have to prove? The stench would rise more than after a downed Boeing. The West would begin supplying modern weapons to dill in full.
      Everything here is done correctly so that the mosquito does not undermine your nose. Well, at the same time, the fact is obvious who is striving for what. Politician though.
  52. 0
    22 August 2014 05: 50
    Quote: zloybond
    do not care where the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine came from, where the Genghisan arrived with Fomenko. QUESTION ONE: recognize New Russia and the point.

    So we kind of admitted...
  53. +2
    22 August 2014 06: 49
    Quote: severniy
    firstly I am a Russian, secondly I was born in Odessa, thirdly I am married to a "zapadenka", also by the way a Russian woman; and fourthly: regarding "Russian is the most ancient", so with all due respect to Zadornov, stop listening to his nonsense for the origin of all languages ​​from Russian ..., better watch the lectures of real linguists, Professor Zaliznyak for example ..


    Here again! belay your “real linguists” like Professor Zaliznyak... it’s terrible, of course... you should read them yourself! You have every second “professor-historian” in Ukraine.. wassat you read the Soviet encyclopedia of the year so 50-60 .. that will be the case, or if you want to find out where and when whose language appeared, there is a lot of evidence not only from Russian scientists, but also from foreign ones! The main thing is that it was not written by Ukrainian “scientists”... bully hi and don’t think that all Russian scientists are just lying about our history.. No. There is too much documentary evidence and declassified facts.. hi
  54. 0
    22 August 2014 07: 10
    Russia has FULL right to intervene! For those who don’t like it, we stupidly remind you: Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya. And Russia MUST intervene if Novorossiya cannot survive on its own. The Nazis gave a lot of reasons. It’s elementary to pump up the theme - “either withdraw your troops or start bombing.”
    BUT - I can’t believe my eyes, nevertheless the Militia is holding on. And I already admit the idea that it will survive! But THIS WILL BE A COMPLETE PARAGRAPH for the Washington junto-litters and their masters!
    Lord, if only it were so!!!
  55. 0
    22 August 2014 07: 16
    In addition, the recognition of the independence of the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics is necessary. In any case, the mockery that Ukraine has arranged around a humanitarian convoy is completely unacceptable. Russia as a great power has no right to allow it to be treated like this. And they relate to our humanitarian aid in a brazen and cynical way. This is an insult, and a great power must respond adequately to an insult.


    This is the point !!!!
  56. Master AB
    0
    22 August 2014 07: 30
    The courage and patience of our guys behind the wheel is amazing. After all, they are going to hell. An insult or not... Well, let's all go out into the street and spit in the direction of Kyiv. Let's express our concern.
  57. +3
    22 August 2014 07: 39
    Here it is appropriate to remember the following - the dog barks, but the caravan moves on.
    Putin’s line of behavior is currently the most effective, and I note without any bloodshed on our part, this is critical!
    Any provocations and arguments of the “civilized West” are defeated by the most important fact - there are no armed forces of the Russian Federation in Ukraine. Time is definitely on our side. The West has already used everything it can, except open armed intervention, and lost on all counts.
    The policy of official non-interference must be continued unless something openly threatens the population of our country and our state.
    I am sincerely glad that people who make real decisions understand this.
    I am ready to listen to any accusations of inhumanism, betrayal of the fraternal people, that my hut is on the edge - but... the dog barks, the caravan moves on, and the way it goes personally suits me for now.
    And my house is not on the edge, my house is my country and its interests.
    1. 0
      22 August 2014 11: 32
      +100
      Intelligible for those who do not understand and who are pushing.
  58. 0
    22 August 2014 08: 08
    But really, why doesn’t the Russian Federation recognize the DPR and LPR?
  59. 0
    22 August 2014 08: 30
    I don’t understand why Putin is going to Minsk to negotiate peace with Poroshenko. We are not a party to the conflict.
    Just think - Poroshenko is going to ask for peace with a cry: “You and I will definitely win!” Well then, win! Why are you begging for peace? Almost all your combat aircraft and helicopters have been shot down, you have no tanks or armored personnel carriers left, and they are sending you junk from all the dumps of the former Warsaw Pact. Your losses are like those of von Paulus at Stalingrad. Your soldiers are finishing off the wounded because they don’t even have anything to bandage them with! And you still claim that “we are capable.” Well, show your ability and don’t bother with drunken kisses! Moreover, Russia is not officially a party to the conflict; there is a civil war waged by Kiev against the eastern half of the country. Wasn’t Poroshenko the sponsor of Maidan? Well, their eyes were wide-eyed, they were bathing. But Putin doesn’t need to go. However, one format of negotiations is quite possible - with high representatives of the EU, but without Poroshenko. And in an adult way. And let Poroshenko talk with his equal - with the same Zakharchenko, because this is actually a conflict between them. So let them make peace...
    1. 0
      22 August 2014 11: 41
      Until August 26, a lot of water will still flow away, and it is not a fact that the meeting will take place. Moreover, the first bell has appeared, unless of course this is true and not just another media canard:
      "Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko began selling his assets through the Rothschild investment company. This was stated by the company's executive director and co-chairman Giovanni Salvetti."
      http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1911260&cid=9

      It looks like preparations for the escape are in full swing.
  60. 0
    22 August 2014 08: 56
    Stop looking at this shitty Washington regional committee, and fagot Europe, what they did with Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, these examples are not enough for us, help the DPR and LPR in every possible way, with military equipment, advisers, intelligence, humanitarian aid, if this doesn’t happen, we’ll get problems all over the border, these galloping-maidanut dills don’t have their own brains, like zombies, that “Sam will say there and lie down” the galloping dill.
  61. 0
    22 August 2014 09: 36
    Quote: andj61
    Fomenko is not an opportunist. He is an academician and applied mathematician. About 30 years ago, the task arose - using the boundary conditions found in mythology (the Bible), to establish a possible date for the historical event of the birth and death of Jesus. He didn't succeed 2000 years ago, but about 1000 ago. They stopped talking. Next, based on the position of the star-planets in the drawings of Egyptian burials, they tried to calculate the date of death of a number of pharaohs. Again, dates were obtained that were several thousand years closer to today. Then, other artifacts were examined in the same way - engravings, drawings. Again, the dating did not work out. Based on this, they checked how the dating of events took place in the current written history. It turned out that ALL modern historiography is based on the works of Scaliger-Pettavius ​​- 16-17 centuries. Scaliger, being an astrologer and numerologist, used these sciences, and not history and archeology, to accurately date the birth of Christ. Having established the date, then historical events filled the centuries quite freely. As a result, the concept of “dark ages” arose in Europe, when historical events, chronicles, etc. was not enough for 800 years - but they tried to stretch them out - and something happened. At first, many were indignant at this, Newton, for example, but the church supported it - and everyone got used to it, they take it for granted. Fomenko, and especially Nosovsky, are very there are a lot of twists when they, not being specialists, “refute” historically established facts. But their merit is that they showed the flawed nature of modern historical dating, which is actually based on data from pseudoscience.

    Agree. The ancient Slavs seemed to emerge out of nowhere in the 7th and 8th centuries. It’s as if they never existed and suddenly, panic! Slavs! According to the latest research, the historical period of about 700-800 years has “dried out” somewhere. There is an opinion that this is a “historical conspiracy” of the Catholic Church (that is, history was “aligned” to fit church ideas and needs). Something like this. am
    1. +1
      23 August 2014 15: 25
      Yes, for the last hundred thousand years all we have done is Slavic throughout the entire continent of Eurasia!
  62. +1
    22 August 2014 09: 57
    Quote: zzz
    Quote: vell.65mail.ru
    Now it is realistic to bring peace to Novorossii_recognize the republics and introduce peacekeeping forces. In any case, to improve the situation, Russia's actions will be considered illegal by the views of the United States, and sorry for such a compliment towards "friends", prostitutes of the States, they cannot be called otherwise.

    It is impossible! First you need to squeeze at least Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Odessa ... The ports must be ours, and the Dnieper must supply water to the Crimea.

    We need to supply weapons... the people of Donbass will see that RUSSIA really supports it, at least it will reach Kyiv, even Poland... the question is how to do this in real life... I think more than one smart person is struggling with this.. what
  63. DPZ
    0
    22 August 2014 10: 29
    Russia, as a great power, has no right to allow itself to be treated like this. And they treat our humanitarian aid in an arrogant and cynical manner. This is an insult, and a great power must react adequately to an insult.

    and what should Russia do?
  64. +1
    22 August 2014 10: 50
    Let me remind you that NATO waged war in the Balkans under the pretext of humanitarian intervention. The Americans themselves invented humanitarian disasters and after that, with clear eyes, found themselves on the territory of the Balkan states.

    Are you suggesting that we become like the Americans? Well, I do not. Russia will not stoop to such a level. If you want to intervene in the war, take up arms and go to Novorossiya.
  65. -2
    22 August 2014 12: 01
    I believe that Russia’s current position regarding Novorossiya is due to the Russian oligarchs’ fear of losing foreign assets. So no one will allow us to hold a referendum on recognition of Novorossiya.
  66. 0
    22 August 2014 12: 47
    The current position is due to a balanced awareness of the state of the opposing forces. All the shouting here about let’s quickly admit it, let’s introduce it - these are just emotions. And the most important thing is that, as usual, he shouts the most - he does the least. Law of life. Well, we recognize Novorossiya, but what next? Novorossiya did not submit as a fact to a referendum the secession from Ukraine and entry into Russia as an autonomy. So what are we talking about? The introduction of troops will be regarded as an invasion of the territory of Ukraine, don’t go further to the fortune teller - NATO will be there, a big massacre cannot be avoided, and this is what the United States is trying to achieve in order to support its declining pants.
    The adequate answer is that I agree with the postulate. But right now there is an absolutely adequate answer. Competent, cold, balanced, and most importantly adequate, so much so that now Americans run all over the world looking for support for their actions. Let them run to the penguins so they can impose sanctions laughing
  67. 0
    22 August 2014 13: 31
    The author knows very well that at the moment the crests have no motivation to fight, which is the only reason why they scatter at the first opportunity, except for ideological Nazis. What would happen if Russia invaded the territory of Hochland? This would be an aggressive invasion and the war would be waged against the invaders, even the oldest grandmother in our village knows this.
  68. 0
    22 August 2014 13: 33
    Do you think that our government leaders did not know what would happen to the humanitarian convoy? However, they sent it. Interesting. I wonder what they are hoping for? what
    1. 0
      22 August 2014 13: 34
      Quote: Old Warrior
      I wonder what they are hoping for?

      All excuses for delaying the delivery of aid to people in the area of ​​humanitarian disaster have been exhausted. The Russian side decided to act. Our convoy with humanitarian cargo begins to move in the direction of Lugansk. Of course, we are ready for her to be accompanied by ICRC staff and for their participation in the distribution of assistance. We warn against any attempts to disrupt a purely humanitarian mission, which has been prepared for a long time, in an atmosphere of complete transparency and in cooperation with the Ukrainian side and the ICRC.

      http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/9BACEA6220212D7544257D3C0029BDF9
      http://warfiles.ru/show-66673-zayavlenie-mid-rossii-v-svyazi-s-nachalom-dostavki
      -rossiyskoy-humanitarnoy-pomoschi-v-yugo-vostochnye-rayony-ukrainy.html
  69. 0
    22 August 2014 14: 41
    Quote: EvilCat
    Well, do not get fooled by the "ystorykov" opuses. Respect yourself.

    Well, we don’t fall for it. One “BUT” - tomorrow this garbage will be taught in Ukrainian schools. What will parents tell their children? "Don't be fooled!" ? I'm afraid they won't have a choice anymore.
  70. 0
    22 August 2014 15: 12
    Where should I write to actually hold a referendum in Russia on the recognition of the DPR and LPR? I’m already tired of hearing fairy tales about how “wise” our government in the Russian Federation is, that it doesn’t recognize the republic in the South-East of Ukraine, doesn’t send in troops (even volunteers) and other nonsense.
  71. 0
    22 August 2014 16: 03
    Quote: DV69
    Fomenko is an opportunist. Do not read his nonsense.

    You need to read everything. Listen to a bunch of fools, but draw the right conclusions
  72. +1
    22 August 2014 16: 35
    Judging by the article, the author does not communicate at all with ordinary (duped) Ukrainians. Wants to get Chechnya in “Ukraine”, answer adequately. people cannot be defeated. When the front line passes through the family, you can only
    peacefully try to resolve problems. Show the path you are following and call for you (Maybe voluntarily and forcefully, like with sanctions or gas). And so, no one has yet canceled Newton’s third law, not even the Basmanny Court.
  73. strelok93rus
    0
    22 August 2014 18: 11
    1 - This whole massacre in the Donbass was started with a single goal - to drain as many advanced maydowns as possible, preferably from the PS and all sorts of ideological volunteers who could swing the swing for themselves. The task is to preserve the power of Petya and the moron Vitali, who has joined him. While the task is being completed and exceeded.

    2 is the most important! America is withdrawing from the Ukraine project. Reason: the goal has been achieved - Russia is already under sectoral sanctions, not everything is calm in America itself - unrest has begun in black neighborhoods, the chair under Obama is already rocking, and most importantly - shale gas has not been discovered in Ukraine on an industrial scale, there is no point in continuing to finance this carousel.

    The idea of ​​supplying this shale gas to Europe is failing. True, there is still an option left to switch the EU to LNG (liquefied natural gas), for which it is necessary to build gas receiving terminals, which is, in principle, possible within 3 years and force Europe to abandon cheaper Russian gas, but this will be done very soon difficult - almost impossible (compare prices of 350...400 dollars/cubic meter of Russian gas versus 615 dollars/cubic meter of American LNG)

    . I don’t know what the Russian Federation should do to make this happen - just start World War 3, but they won’t get that from Vova! News No. 2 leads to news No. 3 - there will be no second tranche from the IMF. They will come up with a reason, but the main reason is that control over Donbass has not been established. The shadow of NAGA with its default loomed on the horizon...

    And this is no longer a joke! Now in terms of timing - all this will begin right now. The signal is the congress of the Batkivshchyna, scheduled for the end of August. Lady Yu rides onto the stage on a white horse with the idea of ​​a Maidan reboot. Motto - we were cheated! With an attempt to wrest power from Petit and UDAR on the eve of the parliamentary elections.

    Elements of pressure will be the failure to fulfill promises to the Maidan, the coming to power of the oligarchy - Janek, version 2.0 and the impending inevitable default with an inevitably cold winter. But America and the Russian Federation will have the main trump card - they will blackmail this bastard by publishing the facts about who really shot down the Boeing.

    Can you imagine what a scandal will be when it becomes clear that the Boeing was shot down by an Air-to-Air missile? The priest asked me just now what leverage America has over Petya? These are the ones! Here they hold him SO by the balls that he won’t run away anywhere!

    So the days of the regime are numbered - the countdown has begun. I'm betting on October! We will fully adhere to the historical framework - the bourgeois revolution in February and the popular revolution in October.
    Author RESPECT!
  74. 0
    22 August 2014 18: 29
    Before shouting “Let’s respond adequately, we’ll send in troops,” go to VKontakte in the “Typical Lugansk” and or similar groups. Read what ordinary Luhansk residents write. I’m shocked, to put it mildly, there is not much support for the LPR fighters. Everything I see there is unpleasantly surprising... although people can be humanly understood that their lives are falling apart. No need to minus... go and read for yourself what the mood is there
  75. 0
    23 August 2014 01: 31
    Why doesn't the Russian president follow the will of the people? And the people want the outskirts of Russia to be with Russia!
  76. 0
    23 August 2014 10: 33
    Diplomacy will only help if Poroshenko and company recognize the right of the DPR and LPR to broad autonomy and declare an amnesty for everyone involved in the conflict. But Poroshenko will not agree to this because he fears for his seat. By the way, where is Yu.V. Timoshenko? Somehow it seems to me that she is about to appear again on the political arena of Ukraine, and then it will be difficult for their current president. The latter did nothing of what he promised. So he will organize attacks on the DPR and LPR as long as the West supports Ukraine’s pants.
  77. Pesnyadv
    0
    23 August 2014 11: 11
    It seems to me that Strelkov is not on vacation, but on retraining.
    The guy is trained in a different tactic of warfare - a campaign against Kyiv.
    hi
  78. 0
    23 August 2014 12: 37
    In my opinion, Novorossiya needs to be recognized and helped with equipment, weapons, food and volunteers. Do not directly enter into conflict. But if attacks on our territory resume, then we must respond as harshly as possible. Any armed unit of Ukraine that allowed shelling of Russian territory must be COMPLETELY DESTROYED.
  79. 0
    23 August 2014 13: 09
    Quote: Moment
    "The Ukrainian language was brought from Venus. Ukrainian scientists tell about the history of their state:" The Aryans came from Ukraine, and Genghis Khan was a Ukrainian ... "
    Source - http://serfilatov.livejournal.com/1886129.html
    Something with this schizophrenia should be done in the very near future. It is even difficult to imagine that such nonsense can be carried at all.
    Russia is adequate and acting.


    Indeed - the nonsense of a madman!!!

    In my opinion, it needs to be recognized!
    After all, these are historically Russian lands (industrially developed regions), annexed by the Bolsheviks to agrarian Ukraine (for the development of the republic) in the 20s of the 20th century...
    But, within the framework of a large country (at that time), this was not so noticeable and significant - purely nominal!
    After all, look: ALL INDUSTRY of the so-called Ukraine (historically Little Russia) is located in the annexed Russian territories!

    How much insanity the Bolshevik leaders committed!!!
    And, in fact, HARM to the country!!!
    And now with such PROBLEMS and BLOOD it’s back to square one...

    Crimea was returned, what next...
  80. +1
    23 August 2014 13: 35
    A great power must be smart. As history shows, no one knows what V.V. Putin will do. However, as a rule, all his decisions are balanced and thoughtful. And most importantly, these decisions benefit Russia. Therefore, it seems to me that there is no need to rush things. Don't say hell until you see what you jumped into.
  81. 0
    23 August 2014 17: 35
    Yatsenyuk prohibits Russia from “even raising its voice” on the association of Ukraine and the EU
    23.08.2014 12:06
    “The Association Agreement between Ukraine and the EU will be ratified by the current composition of the parliament in September. The government has already done everything to not only ratify the agreement, but also to implement it,” said Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk on August 22 in an interview with Ukrainian television channels.

    Yatsenyuk said that several rounds of technical consultations have been held regarding the association agreement with the participation of the EU, Ukraine and the Russian Federation: “For every so-called Russian warning, we have two of our own, which completely neutralize the Russian position. There is no reason for Russia to even raise its voice that this agreement has negative consequences for it. Everything is ready for ratification of the agreement with the EU. This parliament will ratify the document in September,” he said.

    Yatsenyuk further assured that his Ukrainian government had done everything to not only ratify the agreement, but also implement it. “The Cabinet of Ministers decided to create a system for implementing the agreement with the European Union. A government office for European integration was created and deputy ministers for European integration were introduced and went through a public competition. Moreover, there were about 40 applicants for the position of deputy ministers in some ministries. These are young people, English-speaking, already experienced and know what to do. These young people have already created a certain backbone for the implementation of the agreement,” he informed.

    As for possible negotiations with Moscow, as Yatsenyuk said, he believes in only one format, the “Geneva” format, with the mandatory participation of the United States and the EU.

    Look
    Merkel promised Kyiv 500 million euros for the restoration of Donbass
    Medvedchuk: Ukrainians will face winter in unheated apartments
    The Ministry of Defense denied NATO accusations of participation in hostilities...
    As REGNUM reported, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has previously repeatedly stated the possibility of introducing protective measures when supplying products from Ukraine and Moldova to the Russian market after these countries signed association agreements with the European Union. And the head of the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation, Alexey Ulyukaev, said that Russia will unilaterally introduce protective measures against Ukrainian goods if Kiev ratifies the association agreement with the EU without consultations with the Russian side.



    Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1839597.html#ixzz3BDpHsEUS
    Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.
  82. 0
    23 August 2014 17: 38
    President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, who previously announced imminent multi-billion-dollar assistance to Ukraine from the European Union, today warmly thanked German Chancellor Angela Merkel for assistance of only 500 million euros for the restoration of Donbass. Moreover, again I did not receive money, but only promises to create a special fund sometime next month.
    I would like to thank Mrs. Merkel for the decisions that we discussed today. This is the creation of a special fund, which will be announced at a donor conference in September in the EU, where 500 million euros will be provided for the restoration of Donbass infrastructure,” Poroshenko said, as reported by Interfax.
    At the same time, the President of Ukraine recalled the “Marshall Plan”, implemented in Europe after World War II, after which the Europeans found themselves in great debt to the United States.
    “We all remember the Marshall Plan for post-war Europe. Today I can say that this is the beginning of Merkel’s plan to restore the infrastructure of Donbass,” the Ukrainian president joyfully said.
  83. 0
    23 August 2014 18: 17
    RIA Novosti | 19:41:40
    Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk accused Russia of stealing 300 kilograms of gold from a branch of a state bank in Crimea.
    "In our state Oschadbank in Crimea, according to the bank's records, there are 300 kilograms of gold. They took and stole 300 kilograms of gold, they simply stole. In our branch of the National Bank of Ukraine in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, there is our money, about 4 billion hryvnia (about 300 thousand dollars),” he said in an interview with Ukrainian TV channels on Friday.
    Yatsenyuk added that Kyiv intends to sue Russia for each fact of loss of property in Crimea.
  84. 0
    23 August 2014 18: 22
    An unexploded Ukrainian shell was discovered in the Matveevo-Kurgan district of the Rostov region, 500 meters from the border. The ammunition was found half a kilometer from the Shramko farm, the discovery site is fenced off, ITAR-TASS reports, citing Nikolai Sinitsyn, an official representative of the border department of the regional FSB.

    Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/46679#ixzz3BE16c8NN
  85. 0
    23 August 2014 19: 32
    A Russian citizen and a partner from Ukraine tried to smuggle illegal cargo through the fields.

    FSB border service officers and customs officers in the Millerovsky district of the Rostov region managed to detain the attackers.

    “An administrative protocol has now been drawn up against the offenders. The cargo and vehicle were handed over to Millerovo customs officers, the press service of the FSB border department for the Rostov region told Life News TV channel.

    Over the past few months, this is not the first attempt to smuggle Ukrainian lard into Russian territory. On July 31, in Belgorod, customs officers detained a KAMAZ truck with 11 tons of this product.
  86. 0
    24 August 2014 01: 24
    if you send troops, in the West they will say “yes, you lost your job because of Rashi’s sanctions, but you see that we had no other choice but to impose sanctions against the aggressor.” as long as the fighters for freedom from fascism fight and can fight, we can wait. Why send any official commentators right away?
  87. MauriceSn
    0
    24 August 2014 01: 34
    Today I will introduce you to a site that I myself constantly visit for one simple reason. There is very useful information here, for example: http://forexsupermoney.com - diversification of investment funds. Finally found something worthwhile.
  88. Kostya pedestrian
    -1
    24 August 2014 06: 34
    I finally have a statement “on topic”!

    Have any of the philologists or philologists analyzed the word, the Chinese phrase "sensei"?

    Let's tell our fortunes like the White Guards before defeat: "sensa" = sun, "L" missing! Al - for the Belarusian island "Slazenger"!

    Now, from the real Baltic people, for our Slavic brothers from Slovenia:

    The sun is our teacher! Not mao, not surya, not mitra, and...

    As Wiki says, on behalf of Germanic-Norse mythology:

    - In the beginning there was a black abyss Ginnungagap, on both edges of which lay the kingdoms: ice - Niflheim and fire - Muspellheim. In Niflheim there was a spring called Hvergelmir and twelve powerful streams (Elivagar) originated from it. The frost turned the water into ice, but the source continued to flow, and the ice blocks moved towards Muspellheim. When the ice came close to the kingdom of fire, it began to melt, and the sparks that flew out of Muspellheim mixed with the melted ice and produced the giant Ymir and the heifer Audumla. From the sweat of Ymir a couple was born - a man and a woman, and one leg with the other conceived a son. These were the first frost giants.

  89. 0
    24 August 2014 06: 39
    Recognize NOVOROSSIYA, with all those who stick out. And talk about World War 3 is nonsense.
  90. Kostya pedestrian
    -1
    24 August 2014 06: 40
    And, for the Indigenous residents of Magadan-Vladivostok, the words “k.,db”:

    Gallery, sha!
    Spanish: Alexander Novikov

    Ah, there was a time, this life was first,

    Manufactories were launched under red gum,

    And the violinists were already being harassed by the trumpeters.

    And Klych then had a revolver and a limp.

    And on top of that, Klych had a weakness:

    Go to a tavern and make speeches in the heat of the moment.

    He was harassing for attention

    And he carried out agitation among the people.

    -Gallery, sha! I'll tell the public

    Who is red in this life and who is white!

    Whom the Lord made for further life,

    And who has survived? I'll finish - I'll show you!

    A hundred eyes listened to the flight, looking at the barrel,

    What in this life is an “element” and what is a “class”.

    What in this life is “breeches” and what is “tailcoat”.

    What is a “palm”, what is a “five”, and what is a “fist”.

    - I ask you not to mistake me for a commissioner,

    That he could replace commune with anarchy.

    I won’t infect you with “Carlo-Marx”....



  91. Kostya pedestrian
    0
    24 August 2014 06: 41
    Figures of high culture, in the rays of the Sun and the arrows of "Per-U-na!


    Right now, from -to- Yuyuuyuyu!
  92. Kostya pedestrian
    -1
    24 August 2014 06: 44
    Well, who is driving us to Hell? Question for Mil-....?

    My close friend was "Bond", and in the late nineties became "PFW"? ... Personally, I am FOR - bang bang!

    PS: by the way, how much is a military loan for the Afghan war now?
  93. Oleg A
    0
    24 August 2014 10: 47
    A very correct position, well founded. This is especially true about the recognition of Novorossiya. This is a key issue and needs to be addressed.
    Despite all the need for humanitarian assistance, it will never be enough in a situation where an entire state is destroying regions. This fascist state must be opposed by the will and strength of Russia through the recognition of Novorossiya and the conclusion of a mutual assistance agreement with it
  94. 0
    24 August 2014 17: 12
    Ukrainians themselves must decide their own fate. Russia is not in a situation where it can send in troops and annex the southeast (resulting in a guerrilla war). This has already happened in Afghanistan, Chechnya... There is no need to step on the same rake again. If they succeed, then let them be an independent republic (like Abkhazia, Ossetia, Transnistria). But in no case is it part of Russia. Crimea also said that 1 billion green subsidies per year (which Kyiv allocated) were enough for them. And then it started one by one - raising salaries and pensions to Russian levels, building a bridge, roads, medicine, education, energy, water supply, compensation for the population's deposits in Ukrainian banks... And there is no end in sight. But Novorossia is only 5-6 times larger in population than Crimea and its industrial potential cannot be compared, and it is strictly connected with Ukraine. So poor Russia could collapse from such a gift.

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