Ukraine will introduce mandatory military training

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By the end of the year Ukraine plans to introduce general military training for all military servicemen, reports Независимая газета.

Ukraine will introduce mandatory military training


As stated in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, “the course of the young fighter will be held by all military-obliged citizens of the country. In the near future, the first experimental groups will be organized in large cities. The main principle of their training will be territorial defense in case of war. ”

The ministry also said that "the program is planned to solve the problem of training personnel for partisan and sabotage and intelligence networks, which will be involved in the occupation of certain territories in the event of open aggression against Ukraine."

Regarding the ATO in Kiev, gloomy predictions are being made, since negotiations with the Russian Federation did not even lead to a common understanding of the problem. Ukrainian authorities refuse to stop ATO in the east of the country and demand from Russia “to establish full control (with the participation of the OSCE) over the Ukrainian-Russian border in order to block the ways of entering the Donbass weapons, military equipment and the so-called volunteers. " In addition, Kiev is demanding the release of all prisoners, including the pilot, Savchenko.

However, according to the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Pavel Klimkin, “Russia did not recognize its participation in the conflict in the east and did not accept Ukrainian conditions.”

Given the current situation, Petro Poroshenko on Monday gathered his security officials for a meeting and said that it was necessary "to consider the new content of the military operation in new circumstances." He ordered the military to "re-group forces to ensure the protection of the territory in the face of increasing supplies of reinforcements to supporters of the self-proclaimed LC and the DPR." He also pointed to the need to "cut off the path of such supplies." It was about special training for military service.

According to military expert Igor Koziya, the authorities apparently plan to renew the system of military training in the Soviet Union so that citizens do not lose their military skills.

“In recent years, the army has been systematically destroyed. The armed forces were financed on a residual basis, and professionals were forced out of the leadership. We see what it led to. Now the government has paid close attention to the issues of defense and national security. Although, in my opinion, the army even now receives about a third of the necessary resources. ”- the expert expressed his opinion to the correspondent of "NG".

So far, no attempts by Kiev, including mobilization campaigns and the formation of volunteer battalions, have brought a radical change in the confrontation in the Donbas. Hopes for an early victorious completion of the ATO did not materialize.

The Ukrainian authorities are still hoping for help from the West, but from there they began to receive disappointing news. For example, Finnish Prime Minister Alexander Stubb replied: "This is impossible neither from the side of NATO, because the alliance provides military assistance only to its members, nor from the EU, which lacks the capacity to provide such support."

Of course, Kiev places its main hopes on the United States, where there are constantly calls to arm the Ukrainian army. But there is not so simple. The newspaper writes that “the question of direct military assistance can only be considered if Congress and the Senate approve the granting of ally status to Ukraine without membership in NATO. And if a declared war will be fought against Ukraine. ”

Ukraine in various ways is trying to push the West to a more active position. One of the options was voiced by the Speaker of the Rada Alexander Turchinov during his visit to Lithuania. He said: "Ukraine today protects not only itself, but also the security system in Europe." According to him, in the east of Ukraine there is no civil war, there the army reflects the aggression of Russia. “Ukraine is ready to resist aggression, but we really do not have enough weapons,” said Turchinov.

In an interview with NG, expert Vitaly Bala noted that “the Ukrainian military participating in the antiterrorist operation lacks not only weapons and modern means of protection, but also competent leadership. Under these conditions, the initiative of the Ministry of Defense about the mandatory training of all persons liable for military service is questionable. ” According to the expert, for this "there is no organizational capacity."

“And if it is a question of holding charges, as in Soviet times, then there is no sense in it. This will turn into a formality - for show. Ukraine would have to take as a basis the experience of some Western countries in which the army is organized according to the principle of territorial defense: civilians not only know how to hold weapons in their hands, but have the right to keep them at home, maintain close ties with each other. Two hours - and the whole population is ready for battle "Said Bala.

But the Ukrainian authorities are afraid to hand out weapons to the civilian population. The Verkhovna Rada refused to consider this issue. The deputies understand that illegal weapons held by people can bring considerable problems, but they don’t know how to solve this issue.
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  1. +6
    20 August 2014 15: 11
    They will introduce, but only it will already be New Russia ...
    1. 0
      20 August 2014 15: 14
      IGCP: During the conflict in Ukraine, at least 2678 people have died, over the past week 249

      The Information Group on Crimes Against the Person (IGCP) continues to regularly monitor the minimum number of victims of civil strife in Ukraine since February 22, 2014 According to the IGCP, the minimum confirmed estimate of the total number of victims of civil strife in Ukraine from February 22 to August 18, 2014 is at least 2678 people. The minimum total number of losses of combatants and civilians during the so-called. ATO for the period from 13 to 18 August 2014 is 249 people, including 74 Ukrainian security officials, 10 militias and 165 civilians. These data, however, are by no means exhaustive. According to the information summarized by IGCP experts for the period from 13 to 18 August 2014, at least 165 civilians were killed in the ATO zone and at least 105 were injured. However, the real losses of the civilian population during the reporting period may be several times higher. “Since the end of July 2014, the Lugansk City Council and the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine in the Luhansk region have stopped publishing information on the number of civilians killed. This testifies to the fact that in the conditions of intensification of hostilities, the previously existing systems for collecting and generalizing information were destroyed. As a result, we have extremely fragmentary data on civilian casualties, ”notes IGCP coordinator Alexander Dyukov. In the period under review, representatives of the militia almost completely stopped providing data on personnel losses. IGCP experts have collected information on 10 killed and 26 wounded militias. 
      http://rusvesna.su/news/1408532541
      1. +6
        20 August 2014 15: 16
        What kind of compulsory military training in Dill? Shoot ballistic missiles, cluster bombs and chemical weapons in residential areas and crucify babies?
        1. +12
          20 August 2014 15: 26
          Ukraine will introduce mandatory military training

          We are looking for this country on the map:

          map

          There she is "orange" outskirts, let them introduce whatever they want there! lol
          1. +5
            20 August 2014 15: 30
            In East Pakistan, the capital is Ulaanbaatar. It is washed by the Belorussian Sea and covered by the Rostov Mountains. I will clarify the information in my office. It seems to me that this is the official version of the State Department.
            1. +4
              20 August 2014 15: 37
              Quote: Colorado
              In East Pakistan, the capital is Ulaanbaatar. It is washed by the Belorussian Sea and covered by the Rostov Mountains. I will clarify the information in my office. It seems to me that this is the official version of the State Department.
          2. +3
            20 August 2014 15: 33
            And what the Americans were looking for, they said that it was in Pakistan. lol
          3. +1
            20 August 2014 16: 24
            The map is slightly wrong. Crimea is a Russian territory.
        2. 0
          20 August 2014 15: 54
          Yes, no matter how it’s a temptation, the mobilization didn’t go, they’re hoping like a call to fees, and then people to heatpots and to Donbass ...
        3. 0
          20 August 2014 17: 00
          Quote: Colorado
          What kind of compulsory military training in Dill?


          In order not to freeze, they will gallop out shouting cries, Yes plus mandatory firewood hi
      2. +6
        20 August 2014 15: 49
        Quote: Colorado
        IGCP experts have collected information on 10 killed and 26 wounded militias. 

        Unfortunately, our same perish ....
        Shakhtersk.
    2. +8
      20 August 2014 15: 16
      Afraid of the junta giving out weapons to the people, there is a high probability that this weapon will be turned against the junta itself.
    3. +1
      20 August 2014 15: 35
      who will survive and participate
    4. +1
      20 August 2014 15: 47
      Quote: mig31
      They will introduce, but only it will already be New Russia ...

      It would be better to introduce survival rates in winter without gas, and in summer without money .....
      1. +2
        20 August 2014 15: 56
        Quote: lelikas
        It would be better to introduce survival rates in winter without gas, and in summer without money .....

        “I have two deputies, four of whom have been in the cabinet for a month now,” Klitschko said.

        Only those who survive (lick?) In the cabinet will survive ...
  2. +4
    20 August 2014 15: 12
    The cannon fodder is getting younger .... Ukrohuntoyugend will probably be called that.
    1. +2
      20 August 2014 15: 37
      As stated in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, “the course of the young fighter will pass all military citizens of the country.


      What's going on there now? At this rate, almost all those liable for military service will pass through this "course of a young soldier", and some will go straight to the next world. I feel sorry for the Ukrainians: gentlemen-comrades are on the wrong course!
      1. 0
        20 August 2014 15: 50
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Now what is going on there?

        Like-how-they went to the square, galloped-whoever didn’t fall-ready for service, those who fell-after sobering up ....
  3. +7
    20 August 2014 15: 13
    demand from Russia “to establish full control (with the participation of the OSCE) over the Ukrainian-Russian border


    I thought we already had full control there;)
    1. nvv
      nvv
      +3
      20 August 2014 15: 29
      By the end of the year, it is planned to introduce general military training for all military servicemen in Ukraine, reports Nezavisimaya Gazeta.

      Smiled. By the end of the year, Ukraine, as a state, will exist?
      1. 0
        20 August 2014 16: 36
        And I will remind by the end of the year.
  4. +12
    20 August 2014 15: 14
    If only Ukraine will remain by the end of the year, maybe something will come out with military training.
    1. 0
      20 August 2014 16: 09
      What funds are they planning to carry out this very preparation for?
      Unless, as in the Middle Ages, everyone with their weapons will be required to appear.
      And right away with the coffin.
  5. Arh
    +4
    20 August 2014 15: 14
    People all absolutely do not want to fight !!!
  6. +3
    20 August 2014 15: 15
    Something it reminds - Volkssturm in Ukrainian.
  7. +2
    20 August 2014 15: 16
    And before that, were they unprepared who fought? Cook, do not cook - the result will be one. Inglourious death in New Russia.
  8. +5
    20 August 2014 15: 16
    Somewhere in Ukraine ...
  9. +3
    20 August 2014 15: 17
    The ministry’s report also said that “within the framework of the program, it is planned to solve the problem of training personnel for partisan and sabotage reconnaissance networks, which will be involved in the occupation of certain territories in the event of open aggression against Ukraine. ”


    This is the main goal!
    1. +3
      20 August 2014 15: 27
      Quote: Veteran of the Red Army
      This is the main goal!

      I think the main goal is to collect ALL liable ruins under any pretext. after the failure of the third wave of rep ... mobilization, they will soon have no one to fight.
  10. +5
    20 August 2014 15: 17
    The main principle of their training will be territorial defense in case of war. ”

    Well, apparently things are very bad. Once the Nazis are preparing for the defense of cities. Hitler also tried to do this, there was little sense. And then who will defend? Even if the mobilization fails.
  11. +2
    20 August 2014 15: 17
    The patrons of dill are trying to apply the model of the formation of Nazi Germany, but they did not take into account that the times are not the same, and the people are not the same, and Russia is far from what it was after the revolutions and civil warriors!
  12. +5
    20 August 2014 15: 18
    now the dill will lead, come to the collection points, and them to the buses and to the war. wassat
    1. +2
      20 August 2014 15: 29
      Well, it was not in vain that the Zaporizhzhya Plant was closed. And there were about 21 thousand people working there. They will say that they will go to the training camp and, as you say, will be in SE.
      1. +1
        20 August 2014 15: 32
        Quote: Belarus
        .And there worked about 21 000 thousands of people.

        only as if these thousands after such a deception would not strangle the law-abductors with the National Guard, and at home ... with guns
  13. DPZ
    +3
    20 August 2014 15: 19
    nobody will be left there soon! will the boys of 10 year olds train ?!
  14. Everest2014
    +2
    20 August 2014 15: 20
    Proshenkougent with grenade launchers fly. Now I read the article on the censor, they say the young 15-year-old inventor from Ukraine refused to go to Germany to study, he needs his army. Is this how BE hints at the 4th wave of mobilization?
    1. +2
      20 August 2014 15: 36
      Quote: everest2014
      Proshenkougent with grenade launchers fly. Now I read the article on the censor, they say the young 15-year-old inventor from Ukraine refused to go to Germany to study, he needs his army. Is this how BE hints at the 4th wave of mobilization?

      Here's another:
      "After the millionaire Konstantinovsky volunteered for the front, several more Kiev businessmen followed his example."
      They no longer know how to lure another portion of meat to the draft board.
  15. +3
    20 August 2014 15: 20
    However, according to the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Pavel Klimkin, “Russia did not recognize its participation in the conflict in the east and did not accept Ukrainian conditions.”


    What did you expect?
  16. +1
    20 August 2014 15: 24
    apparently there isn’t enough cannon fodder .... now now under such an excuse they will quickly train and send to the anti-terrorist operation zone if the militias do not interrupt

    or are preparing to repel the offensive of the Army of New Russia
  17. 0
    20 August 2014 15: 25
    20.08.14.
    During the fighting in Ilovaisk, five Ukrainian security officials from the Donbass battalion and four people from the Shakhtersk battalion were killed. This was announced by the adviser to the Minister of the Interior, Anton Gerashchenko, informs the UNN agency.
    Also, Ukrainian security officials announced the capture of the city of Ilovaysk in the Donetsk region.

    Again desa or still took Ilovaisk?
    1. +1
      20 August 2014 15: 32
      Militiamen of the Donetsk People’s Republic said that the National Guard of Ukraine managed to take control of only one quarter of the city of Ilovaisk

      reference: http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3865-voyna-na-yugo-vostoke-onlayn-20082014
      -hronika-sobytiy-post-obnovlyaetsya.html


      there is a live text broadcast of events.
    2. +1
      20 August 2014 16: 15
      Summary from the information press center "Vostok" for August 19: "Everywhere, where our troops stand, everything is fine"
      "... Ilovaisk and Gorlovka are not our parishes, we are more likely to help subcontractors there. Street fighting began in the suburb of Gorlovka, but I believe that the city will hold out." Ukrainians "write that something was captured in Ilovaisk. But this is not true . Ukrainian troops did not enter Ilovaisk .... "
      something like this. hi
      source: https://vk.com/strelkov_info
  18. +3
    20 August 2014 15: 26
    in the east of Ukraine there is no civil war, there the army reflects the aggression of Russia. “Ukraine is ready to withstand aggression, but we really lack weapons,” Turchinov said.


    And why do you need a weapon? The Russian army did not come to war and you have no martial law. laughing
  19. +1
    20 August 2014 15: 28
    Who would doubt that the former Ukraine would be different.
    But if you look like this, then they have already learned how to shoot down civilian aircraft.
    Unfortunately, they already have their own people to exterminate the practice. Yes, in fact, they laid their own country in the grave, although if you look like this, it’s not quite in the grave but brought to a state of coma.
    What to expect further from zombies who believe that everything is normal and that the RF is to blame for everything, in fact, I don’t know. Can there be a brain transplant? No, and it won’t help! Why? It's just that the "maydanutyh" heads are so small that there is NO place for the brain.
  20. +4
    20 August 2014 15: 28
    Ukraine will introduce mandatory military training

    After VP lessons - extra-curricular training in boilers near Donetsk ......, plus physical education lessons - running from Donetsk to the Dnieper with obstacles in the form of burning dill tanks ...
    1. +2
      20 August 2014 15: 43
      Quote: RusDV
      After VP lessons -

      By VP lessons, do you mean V. Putin’s lessons? smile
      1. +1
        20 August 2014 16: 51
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Quote: RusDV
        After VP lessons -

        By VP lessons, do you mean V. Putin’s lessons? smile

        smile no, only military training. By the lessons of V. Putin, I mean "boilers"
  21. +5
    20 August 2014 15: 31
    Here are some more news from the Donbass fields:
    Since my Lugansk residency has been evacuated, I get irregular pieces of information. I have nothing to write about battles, but there is something to write about the rear.
    The only untouched city in the Lugansk region is Sverdlovsk. There is the main transshipment of refugees. Chervonopartizansk fired in front of the boiler and during it very decently, Ukr DRGs are still running, the other day from Gukovo, from the neutral strip, the militias beat the fields around from the old positions (I’ll say separately that our and Western journalists are idlers and lay people , at least around Gukovo and along the path of the convoy). In the Red Ray, as I understand it, hell was happening, south - Hell. Locals really hate ukrov any affiliation, at least rabblers, at least natsgadov. The first were initially buried in cemeteries, as were the militias. Militias continue to be buried in cemeteries (despite all the propaganda, like they’re not local, huh), the military has ceased. Near Chervonopartizansk to the south, locals in the beginning of August drove through the fields to collect corpses, for it was absolutely terrible to drive, and the stench near the city began. They did not find any militias (their own are carried out in any condition), and the military in the form of a zsu more than 500 only along the fields along the roads, within sight. I asked again - yes, five hundred. How many more corpses for landings - they don’t even guesses, didn’t call in, because there are mines, including stretch marks on half-burned cars. But mostly corpses from the rifleman, clicked like hares.
    From the very beginning, no urban and rural cemeteries agreed to bury near them, even behind the fence, as a result, they buried them on beams. The documents, as I understand it, were not removed from the corpses, because it is impossible with our heat, and then, according to the collected documents, there is someone to take revenge on their families. There is a reason. In short, they decided to hide from sin. About the National Guard - they said they would not collect, in the spring they will plow. But there are few of them.
    The general tactics of ukrov is to drive their troops into the village, and then shoot back from the approaching groups (yeah, the militias are hiding behind the backs of a peaceful type). If they can’t drive them, they’ll beat the housing estate so that, attention - the words of prisoners, the local residents kicked out the terrorists. That is, you understand why you did not begin to collect documents. http://forums.balancer.ru/
    1. +2
      20 August 2014 15: 57
      There are no words! A.h.
  22. 0
    20 August 2014 15: 38
    Ukraine is getting ready seriously. It scares and scares, the fact that they can still fill up New Russia. And this is very bad
    1. 0
      20 August 2014 15: 57
      This is not and when it will not be, their mind is not enough to figure out how to defeat New Russia.
  23. +2
    20 August 2014 15: 40
    Quote: "... Oleksandr Turchynov during his visit to Lithuania. He said:" Ukraine today protects not only itself, but also the security system in Europe. "According to him, there is no civil war in the east of Ukraine, where the army repels Russia's aggression . "

    So, gentlemen! Losing the militia’s war is, to put it mildly, embarrassing. Well, losing the war of Russia is normal! Therefore, there is no civil war! There is Russian aggression!
  24. +3
    20 August 2014 15: 46
    We also would not be prevented from recruiting students to return to schools, and eliminating life safety - anyway, no one is teaching him.
  25. 0
    20 August 2014 15: 55
    Probably this is from a lack of fat, trouble in my head. Ukraine now resembles China with the great helmsman. We have our own vision of everything and our methods of struggle. The only thing missing is the cultural revolution. fool
  26. 0
    20 August 2014 15: 56
    I am extremely surprised at the fears that we are pleased to arm the civilian population, because it will be incomprehensible to anyone whose weapons, gentlemen, dill lawmakers look out of the window you have about the same situation with regard to the circulation of weapons (whether it is legal or not can be judged differently) is about the same as in Chechnya in 90- x fellow
  27. +1
    20 August 2014 16: 03
    Tank troops, military training is already underway.
  28. +3
    20 August 2014 16: 08
    What do you mean "Russia did not accept the Ukrainian conditions"? Is Russia the losing side in the war? Surrendered to Ukraine and must accept its terms ?! Wow, don't give a fuck about a Klimkind !!! Next beep pi-pi-pi-pi (10 minutes) !!! It was I who expressed my attitude towards bitch offal, a rabbit with eggs, a man with his head knocked off in the ring, a secret Ukrainian Armenian who loves Facebook (sorry, dear Armenians! Unfortunately, this is "unprintable".
  29. Andrey Ulyanovsky
    +2
    20 August 2014 16: 14
    Families and clans sucked Ukriya with bedbugs for 23 years, everyone had enough. It came, la, ZAO "Junta" and for half a year (!!!) in Ukria there is no: state *, finance *, power *, army *, law enforcement agencies *, media *, citizens * - NOTHING (!!!).
    * - there is a "territory", there are "handouts", there are "rabble meat forces", there are "Uncle Babama's dolls", there is "E @ ina Ukraine - a general territorial sewerage".
    In September, Kuev will declare a humanitarian catastrophe throughout the whole of Ukria (they will also stir up an environmental + man-made disaster to make more victims).

    Russia had enough reason and strength to fall in 1991 to climb in the 2010s; Ukrainians hammer their fragile canoe "by the force of millions".
  30. 0
    20 August 2014 16: 40
    Oga, in order to undergo retraining, you must first serve urgent, and so it turns out the game of war - so-so-so, I killed you ...
    - I don’t miss.
  31. 0
    20 August 2014 16: 41
    On the example of Switzerland, do they want to do something? So it doesn't happen fast! The Helvetica Confederation has more than 200 years of independence, neutrality and ... (drum roll) CONFEDERATIVE device!
  32. 0
    20 August 2014 17: 16
    Isn’t it too late? The article is not enough about the Hitler Youth, Faustpatrons and the magical prodigy!
  33. 0
    20 August 2014 17: 25
    As stated in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, “the course of the young fighter will pass all military citizens of the country.

    Survival rates are now more relevant for Ukrainian citizens, especially taking into account the dynamics of the country's GDP.
    In the 2nd quarter, GDP fell by 4,7% (according to Ukrainian data) compared with APPG. This is despite the fact that before that, GDP was declining.
    At the end of 2014, GDP is expected to fall by 4,6% (this is not Kremlin propaganda, but the official forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine). Reality is probably worse. The same Eurobank gives a forecast of minus 7%, and independent experts forecast a minus of 10-12%.
    Inflation is expected (according to the Ukrainian government) at 12,8%. Last year it was 0,5%.
    Rusks must be dried, and they are engaged in some kind of military training.
  34. 0
    20 August 2014 17: 34
    We would return to Uch. establishments of NVP and TRP, and at enterprises of civil defense exercises. There will be no war let fortune tellers conjure. Better to overtake than not to overtake.
  35. +1
    20 August 2014 17: 36
    yeah, it turns out that there is no hope for NATO, even in the long run!
  36. 0
    20 August 2014 18: 04
    Ukraine, Recruiting office
  37. 0
    20 August 2014 18: 41
    Well, the Hitler Youth went into action, or rather, the Ukrugend.
  38. wanderer_032
    0
    20 August 2014 18: 42
    Compulsory military training will be introduced in Ukraine.

    The learning chip will be the training of the wisdom of how you can stealthily steal, material and technical support, and thereby significantly increase your personal budget. laughing
  39. 0
    20 August 2014 20: 04
    Well, some young individuals are already ready to "drive in klyatih m_scale":

    And others have been told since childhood how it is good to burn a scarecrow of the head of a neighboring state
    1. 0
      21 August 2014 05: 43
      how bitter then all these lost "souls" will regret what they are doing today ...
  40. Alex Ivanov
    0
    20 August 2014 21: 01
    In our native school, I always approached the "casemate" with trepidation - that was the name of the room for storing weapons on the fourth floor, next to the office of the CWP. It contained mock-ups of AK, gas masks, infantry shoulder blades and five real TOZ small-caliber rifles. The older grades fired from them. I waited for my turn to come, and so did I. But in the early 90s, the room was broken. Where did the rifles go, I have no idea. There are only 3 loose Izhevsk "ovens" left. I mean, it's time to ... it's time to restore the CWP in schools. And at least buy small pieces.
    1. 0
      21 August 2014 00: 03
      We even had our own shooting gallery at school. The military commander fired from small things. As I understand it, a lot depended on the teacher. Ours was very responsible, drove us decently.
      The idea with universal training is very sound, especially considering that in Ukraine now it is mainly a contract army. And it is a pity that they thought of this first.
  41. +2
    20 August 2014 22: 33
    It seems that the kaklohunta senses not the failure of the ATO, but the offensive of the animal and seeks to recruit more zombified children to wage guerrilla warfare, or rather, terrorism.
  42. 0
    21 August 2014 00: 03
    But the Ukrainian authorities are afraid to distribute weapons to the civilian population. The Verkhovna Rada refused to consider this issue. Deputies understand that illegal weapons in people's hands can bring considerable problems, but they still do not know how to solve this issue. Of course, the civilian population will then go to Kiev! The government does not have confidence in the people, and the people hate the government! JUNTA, you are doomed !!!!!
    1. 0
      21 August 2014 00: 06
      The people act simply: they buy AK (7.62) in the hunting version. Easy alteration and it accepts standard stores and automatic firing mode appears. All rifle clubs around Kiev are full, they train hard.
  43. 0
    21 August 2014 07: 17
    Volkssturm means ... Well, we went through it. There is only one but. And from whom will they defend the city? From the National Guard punishers who fled from the front? From marauder-robber-rapist? Or is the population just pumping up for more efficient self-cutting? By the way, it would be nice to conduct such training in Russia. Purely at the level of "what can not be done with a piece of iron."

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