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Veterans of US intelligence services require Obama to unveil intelligence on the tragedy with the Malaysian Boeing in Ukraine

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The second time the representatives of the American organization "Professional intelligence officers, veterans for sanity" appeal to Obama. The veterans ’goal is to receive a response from the president about the progress of the investigation into the real causes of the death of almost 300 people following the flight Amsterdam-Kuala Lumpur in the skies over the Donbas. Representative of the American veteran organization Raymond McGovern quotes "First channel":

When this terrible tragedy happened, when 290 people died (according to official data, 298 people died - approx. "IN"), John Kerry very quickly after her made a statement that the pro-Russian separatists did. The United States immediately blamed Russia and pro-Russian people in eastern Ukraine, but there is no evidence of this. Mr. President and Secretary of State, if you make such accusations, as we wrote in your memorandum, you need to back them up with evidence, but neither then nor now do they exist, as there was not. They should have been provided by intelligence, and if there is nothing, then intelligence did not work there. If you accuse someone of a terrible and disgusting act, it is your responsibility to present evidence.


Veterans of US intelligence services require Obama to unveil intelligence on the tragedy with the Malaysian Boeing in Ukraine


The organization "Professional intelligence veterans for sanity" includes many reputable experts in the United States, including former CIA employees. If the Obama administration continues to ignore the appeals of representatives of this organization, then in the USA this can provoke a huge scandal, since many members of the organization have a great influence on representatives of Congress. So far, the White House does not give any intelligible comments on both the appeal and the intelligence from the scene of the tragedy. If any of the representatives of the government speaks out on this issue, then, perhaps, gosdepovskie speaking dolls, whose briefings in the Russian Foreign Ministry were called “folk folklore”.
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  1. nachprod
    nachprod 20 August 2014 13: 30
    +39
    No one will tell the truth. There is no democracy in America, so it will not exist.
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 20 August 2014 13: 32
      +19
      Quote: nachprod
      that no one will tell the truth. There is no democracy in America, so it will not exist.

      Sometimes the truth pops up. America is not without Snowden and intrigue.
      1. Alexan
        Alexan 20 August 2014 14: 15
        +12
        And what is the result of the emergence of the truth? Did the sky open up, did people take to the streets? Write now: yes, it was by order of the CIA Congress to blow up high-rises ... And nothing will happen. Now, if a Negro is soaked on the street, then you can beat the shop windows. But the authorities will not "tolerate" in this case. Blood volume is not an issue when the answer is "US safety". If God is and justice is inherent in him, then the punishment of the devilish country must follow!
        1. WKS
          WKS 20 August 2014 14: 47
          +3
          Mr. President and Secretary of State ... If you accuse someone of a terrible and disgusting act, you have the responsibility of presenting evidence.
          The current president and US secretary of state do not bother with such trifles. Well, Obama is a Negro, but is Kerry a kind of descendant of the knights? Neither honor nor conscience, neither one nor the other. And intelligence veterans, until that moment, did not know that their superiors were lying several times a day?
          1. asar
            asar 20 August 2014 15: 26
            +2
            . And intelligence veterans, until that moment, did not know that their superiors were lying several times a day?

            Well, something like this:
            "Michelle: - Barack! Have you brushed your teeth today ?! Otherwise, you smell bad!"
            - Of course, dear!
            - Why did you cross your fingers ?! Even though in the family do not lie, dear! " laughing
          2. tol100v
            tol100v 20 August 2014 15: 30
            0
            Quote: wks
            And intelligence veterans didn’t know until this moment,

            Not only did they not know, they did not even know how MONKEYS could lie! Darwin is resting. He did not even imagine such a leap in development!
          3. tol100v
            tol100v 20 August 2014 15: 51
            0
            Quote: wks
            . And intelligence veterans didn’t know until that moment that their superiors were lying

            They knew, and helped to lie! And when the lie became incredible, they, as experts, said: We do not play these games!
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 20 August 2014 13: 34
      +18
      Well, now for Obama to tell how they organized the destruction of this Boeing, he is not a suicide.
    3. lexxxus
      lexxxus 20 August 2014 13: 35
      +13
      America has right not to incriminate oneself.
      The law however ...
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 20 August 2014 13: 40
        +7
        If the Obama administration continues to ignore the appeals of representatives of this organization, then in the USA this could provoke a great scandal, since many members of the organization have a great influence on representatives of Congress.


        This is a serious application, serious people. Monkey, for gilyaka.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 August 2014 13: 39
      +30
      Quote: nachprod
      . There is no democracy in America, so it will not exist.

      Will be soon laughing
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    6. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 20 August 2014 13: 53
      +2
      And democracy is not the power of the people, but the power of the democrats .... So there is it in the USA .... The reference democracy!
      1. Koloradovatnik
        Koloradovatnik 20 August 2014 13: 57
        +6
        The very naivety ... Hitler would have been required to report on the work of Auschwitz and Buchenwalde and the SS Sonderkommando.
    7. armageddon
      armageddon 20 August 2014 14: 00
      +3
      Hmm ... It does not leave an impression that not for long ... Obama has left ... Unrest ... There is also intelligence !!!
    8. xenod55
      xenod55 20 August 2014 14: 15
      +3
      That is why the obamka is silent because it knows who knocked it down and knocked it down. It didn't work out against Russia and the militias. Now they are "quietly" silent. At the end of August they will publish - the investigation GIVEN NOTHING, THE REASON IS UNKNOWN.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 20 August 2014 14: 48
        +5
        Quote: xenod55
        That's why Obama is silent because he knows who shot down

        "And the king is NAKED!" (C)
        This reminds me of a gangster showdown: "having presented it" - you need to answer, otherwise "you can't pull the oil!"
        But here's the trouble: they don't keep fools in intelligence. Fools quickly "burn out" in such a job. And those who survived to become a "intelligence veteran" (GRU, CIA, MI6, etc.) are seasoned wolves. You can't fool them on chaff. They are heavyweights! You can't get off with an unsubscription. The answer must be specific, with the presentation of material evidence.
        In short, Obama hit! Public opinion is at stake! The authority's authority is the price of the issue. And he was helped by his "colleagues" in the shop!bully
      2. mamont5
        mamont5 20 August 2014 15: 27
        0
        Quote: xenod55
        That is why the obamka is silent because it knows who knocked it down and knocked it down. It didn't work out against Russia and the militias. Now they are "quietly" silent. At the end of August they will publish - the investigation GIVEN NOTHING, THE REASON IS UNKNOWN.


        They can also drain dill so as not to expose themselves to attack.
      3. tol100v
        tol100v 20 August 2014 16: 05
        0
        The reason is known. Customers are known. The performers are famous. Only the prosecutor hesitates something. And if he hesitates, then, he thinks, what time frames for ALL, and ALL!, To organize!
    9. Krapovy32
      Krapovy32 20 August 2014 14: 25
      +22
      I read about the Khokhlyat army, I agree 200%:
      Galya Pilipchak
      21:49
      UKRAINIAN ARMY
      Human civilization in the foreseeable past, did not see more scum than the armed forces of Ukraine! Ukrainian army. Vigilant in front of cameras and collective farm women, joking over the dead, defiantly torturing prisoners, bravely shooting civilians from afar. She darts from enemy militia soldiers, panicky shoots everything she sees, looks angrily like a pug at Russian soldiers in Crimea from behind fences with olfactory pants. Cowardly fleeing from militias to a foreign country that they hated, throwing not only tanks, but even personal weapons, flaunting later that it was a ruse. Whining around the first-aid posts and gobbling up those who fled from them the day before ..
      But the most disgusting is a mixture of shit, 
      snot and tears of captured Ukrainian militia soldiers, 
      ready to eat each other's dung at the mercy of the winner, crawling on
      my knees in dust and my own feces, moaning about "moms-babies-want-to-live-and-work."
      But it is worth letting go - they again turn into that evil scum, tormenting the unarmed, killing women and children.
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 20 August 2014 16: 10
        +3
        Quote: Speckled32
        I read about the Khokhlyat army, I agree 200%:

        I add 200, and 100 will catch up!
    10. 23 region
      23 region 20 August 2014 14: 50
      +4
      Quote: nachprod
      No one will tell the truth. There is no democracy in America, so it will not exist.

      Conspirator pancake.
    11. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 20 August 2014 14: 56
      +1
      As they say "you have to answer for the market", otherwise you will ride for a balabola.
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  3. Lenar
    Lenar 20 August 2014 13: 32
    +6
    And not only in it. About 30 years later, they will probably start making documentaries about this secret, but the truth will be known only to a limited circle of organizers.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 20 August 2014 14: 56
      +4
      Quote: Lenar
      but the truth will be known only to a limited circle of organizers.

      There is a good saying about this:
      There is nothing secret that would not become apparent.
      An example is the case of the Boeing 1.09.1983 of the year.
      Sooner or later, the truth will come out anyway. But such crimes do not have a statute of limitations ...
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 20 August 2014 16: 12
        +1
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Sooner or later, the truth will come out anyway.

        Will not meet bullshit, so catch up!
  4. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 20 August 2014 13: 33
    +15
    These are the new realities of the policy of your country, gentlemen, reconnaissance veterans. Obama's intelligence is no longer needed - enough social networks. And evidence is not needed - just another benefit of the inimitable Psaki.
  5. DMB-88
    DMB-88 20 August 2014 13: 34
    +5
    how can the obama publish its obb.sё.r.?!
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 20 August 2014 13: 52
      +3
      It is still not visible on it ...
  6. Krsk
    Krsk 20 August 2014 13: 35
    +3
    But how will he give them if they are not? as children the right word ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 20 August 2014 15: 04
      +3
      Quote: KrSk
      But how will he give them if they are not?

      In fact of the matter. Former CIA officers know this, as they communicate with each other and with their current pupils. But that’s the trick, that on the command (?) From somewhere with their hands it was decided to dump the nigga. THOSE. there will be a course adjustment. Apparently the puppeteers cannot forgive the failures in the external arena.
      Time will tell what will happen next.
  7. Balamyt
    Balamyt 20 August 2014 13: 36
    +9
    And why only Veterans of the US intelligence services? And we want! Probably the whole world community is not averse to find out what and how happened with the plane! It is necessary to raise a question at the UN, and demand explanations!
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 20 August 2014 14: 02
      +3
      Churkin and "sets and demands", but in response, silence. The last message about this was the other day. The preliminary conclusion is going to be announced at the end of August, so we'll take a look.
  8. roman72-452
    roman72-452 20 August 2014 13: 38
    +1
    So he confessed to them that he himself shot down the plane, the performers were only silly.
  9. comm
    comm 20 August 2014 13: 39
    +12
    Think about the name of the organization - "Professional intelligence veterans for sanity."

    Perhaps they have bad sanity there in general, if the scouts are united in such organizations.
  10. neogeorge
    neogeorge 20 August 2014 13: 39
    +1
    Yes, who are they talking to? To a person who is stoned constantly? I watched TV yesterday. How he got off the plane. Reeling ... Narik is stoned. I’m not even talking about his gayness.
  11. Common sense
    Common sense 20 August 2014 13: 40
    +3
    For a month they should have portrayed something as Russia muddied all this up, probably they couldn’t hire competent programmers quickly for such work
    1. iConst
      iConst 20 August 2014 13: 57
      +3
      Quote: Common Sense
      For a month they should have portrayed something as Russia muddied all this up, probably they couldn’t hire competent programmers quickly for such work
      The problem is that not all Dutch and Malaysian bastards. And the task of the pendocs - if they want to manipulate something - is to remove all those who are objectionable, and those who accidentally learn the truth can somehow be neutralized.

      Most likely end in a stalemate.
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 20 August 2014 16: 15
        0
        Quote: iConst
        Most likely end in a stalemate.

        Matt! they just give them a little thought!
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 20 August 2014 15: 12
      +1
      Quote: Common sense
      For a month they should already have something to depict how Russia muddied all this ...

      This could have been done if the recorders had burned out. And they are intact! But what is written on the speech ... It is not for nothing that the dill was seized and praised the same day the records of the control center. And they pretend that "it was so truncated"!
  12. Wolka
    Wolka 20 August 2014 13: 40
    +3
    they won’t wait, everything will be classified, because this is another failure of the CIA ... hi
  13. Stiletto
    Stiletto 20 August 2014 13: 41
    +4
    And so everything is clear, otherwise this topic would not have been "blown away" so quickly in the Western media.
  14. Federal
    Federal 20 August 2014 13: 41
    +11
    Not for that, they knocked him down to make it public, apparently we may not know the truth.
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 20 August 2014 16: 24
      0
      THIS IS A PEACEKEEPER! From the word!
  15. DPZ
    DPZ 20 August 2014 13: 42
    +4
    The organization Professional Intelligence Veterans for Sanity includes many reputable experts in the United States, including former CIA officers. If the Obama administration continues to ignore the appeals of representatives of this organization, then in the USA this could provoke a great scandal, since many members of the organization have a great influence on representatives of Congress.
    recent events on the planet have rocked my faith in the sanity of the Americans. even if the scouts achieved something if they have brains and influence. I want to again hope that not everything is so deplorable on that continent.
  16. MilesAth
    MilesAth 20 August 2014 13: 43
    +1
    So far, the White House has not given any intelligible comments on both the appeal and intelligence from the scene of the tragedy.

    What kind of intelligible comments can the White House give in the complete absence thereof? Of course no
    The current administration of the YUS is a parody of the state apparatus in the "dumb and dumber" style.
    If in comparison, then even Bush (the younger one) no longer seems so and ...
  17. prio124
    prio124 20 August 2014 13: 43
    +15
    And why is there to prove that, if Russia was involved, they have already gone out of their mind. And since they’ve classified it, it’s clear who has the snout in the gun ...
  18. Black
    Black 20 August 2014 13: 46
    +2
    I'm not sure of the authority of this organization .... Pensioners, squeezed lemons, will click their dentures, and business. The authorities need them with their "approvals", but "we demand" is on a booming drum.
    Moreover .... there is an investigation, the ICAO boxes are "twisting" .. there are ours ??? If they went to kill 300 people, who can guarantee that the proof that fascinatington needs has not been cooked up for a month?
    1. a52333
      a52333 20 August 2014 13: 52
      +3
      GlavNegra has opponents in Congress. They can take a puncture.
  19. Rossiyanka
    Rossiyanka 20 August 2014 13: 46
    +3
    US needs freedom of speech and uncensored
    1. taburetka
      taburetka 20 August 2014 13: 55
      +1
      While the senators and the puppet president rule there, this will not happen. Although if the people of America open their mouths, the government will be very hot!
      1. 23 region
        23 region 20 August 2014 14: 58
        +2
        Quote: taburetka
        While the senators and the puppet president rule there, this will not happen. Although if the people of America open their mouths, the government will be very hot!

        McCain alone is worth something. "Downed pilot" damn it, lights it up.
  20. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 20 August 2014 13: 49
    +3
    Che stuck to the frame! In his tribe intelligence brought a group of painted, in feathers and branches in the asses of the natives. They are waiting for their arrival, however! laughing
  21. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 20 August 2014 13: 49
    +1
    The White House needs to answer for "its own bazaar" ...

    pisi: In general, the organization is somehow "muddy". What questions do they ask, are the children gathered there? Or maybe they want to compare with operations in which they themselves ...
  22. sever.56
    sever.56 20 August 2014 13: 55
    +2
    If Obama had evidence of the guilt of the militia or Russia, at that hour they would have yelled about it on every corner. But screwed up. The perpetrators of the terrorist attack were very stupid. Trump card evidence of guilt of the junta and the United States in the hands of Russia and it will be posted at the right time.
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 20 August 2014 16: 30
      +1
      quote = sever.56] If Obama had evidence of the guilt of the militia or Russia, at the same hour they would have yelled about it on every corner. But screwed up. The perpetrators of the terrorist attack were very stupid. Trump card evidence of guilt of the junta and the United States in the hands of Russia and it will be posted at the right time. [/ Quote]
      I will not put pluses. Trump cards are about to enter the game!
  23. wladimir
    wladimir 20 August 2014 13: 55
    +2
    Sensible spies, as the former know, do not exist among them. So they understand something, they know how such statements from dirty huts can end
  24. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 20 August 2014 13: 55
    +1
    Quote: KrSk
    But how will he give them if they are not? as children the right word ...

    somehow it looks like an anecdote about "slow gas" .. it came to the end .. in the second term of the obamka’s rule .. it means they want to drain it already .. someone starts stirring up the amerskoe political swamp and different cocoa starts to emerge .. laughing to arrange various provocative actions and speeches even against the incumbent head of states this seems like someone’s order .. although only our analysts understand their domestic politics laughing
  25. 3vs
    3vs 20 August 2014 13: 57
    +1
    What, fuck, democracy, it has never been anywhere (maybe only in Veliky Novgorod at the time, and then in question) and never will be.
    No one will get any truth from the Americans, if only another
    Snowden will not release such documents.
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 20 August 2014 16: 34
      0
      Quote: 3vs
      if only another
      Snowden will not release such documents.

      Assange also wants freedom! And he has no less than Snowden! (Information).
  26. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 20 August 2014 14: 01
    +2
    "... if you make such accusations as we wrote in our memorandum, you need to back them up with evidence ..." Oh yeess!
  27. INF
    INF 20 August 2014 14: 01
    +3
    Quote: nachprod
    No one will tell the truth. There is no democracy in America, so it will not exist.



    Any statement that reaches the media asking for the data to be released undermines the credibility of the United States. For the data will not be provided. For us, it’s good and good that the citizens of this country are asking.
  28. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 20 August 2014 14: 15
    +2
    Obama, you crap. Don't make yourself decent. , he is born in Africa and he is in Africa
  29. Dmitry Abramov
    Dmitry Abramov 20 August 2014 14: 19
    +2
    It is not profitable for the states to publish real data, because under the pretext of a downed plane of Russia, another batch of sanctions was soldered. We are not a 3rd world country and can still stand up for ourselves. They thought that spitting on us, we will flow around and absorb? But no, it’s not our way ... As much as you can endure, in our country in general everyone is constantly suffering. It is necessary to show the true face of Uncle Sam to the whole world, and this is not an easy task, I would even say it is hyper complicated.
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 20 August 2014 14: 58
      0
      Bear with the little boy ... They are already working on it ...
      Your words - "This is not an easy task, I would even say - hyper difficult."
  30. P-38
    P-38 20 August 2014 14: 22
    +2
    One gets a strange impression. Veterans of the US secret services, demanding the truth about the Boeing crash, unwittingly play along with Putin and unwittingly oppose US policy. The President of the United States and the State Department, opposing Putin, rape the truth and actually lead the case to the collapse of the United States. It turns out that Putin and the veterans of the US intelligence, seeking the truth, unwittingly help save the United States? Strange, but logical.
  31. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 20 August 2014 14: 34
    0
    If you blame someone for a terrible and disgusting act, it is your responsibility to provide evidence

    Veterans from their office were very detached if they wanted the CIA to plead guilty to what had happened.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 20 August 2014 15: 39
      +2
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Veterans from their office were very detached if they wanted the CIA to plead guilty to what had happened.

      "The entrance is a ruble, the exit is two!" - the golden rule of intelligence around the world.
      The CIA will be left out, but Husseinich will have to answer. He stopped meeting the demands of the puppeteers,
      therefore it will be replaced. It would be nice to be a pragmatist, not a hawk ...
  32. Ayujak
    Ayujak 20 August 2014 14: 41
    +2
    Still let them say where the first Boeing Delhi ?! Everyone has already forgotten about him. Human life is not worth a penny in this world where 300 people can be killed so easily at a time.
  33. DPZ
    DPZ 20 August 2014 14: 50
    +2
    just 300 people can be killed at a time.
    at a time it’s impossible, but gradually it’s possible? get out of New Russia: today 7 tomorrow 3 the day after tomorrow 9 ...
    Yes, they finally can nas.r.at in life, at least on whose. relatives will not regret!
  34. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 20 August 2014 15: 10
    0
    The whole real American administration is a failure. When these people leave, it will be hard for them to sweat, they will be persecuted for the rest of their lives.
  35. MSA
    MSA 20 August 2014 15: 22
    0
    Times have changed and now, according to a senior monkey, evidence is not required.
  36. ohotnik101
    ohotnik101 20 August 2014 15: 29
    -1
    American veterans will quickly twist fins. So as not to blather.
  37. RusDV
    RusDV 20 August 2014 15: 33
    +2
    US intelligence veterans demand from Obama ....

    Obama! Learn from Porosenko! He immediately exposed his "claimants". GRU agents, one and all! Lost vigilance, obstruction .........
  38. Vitalka
    Vitalka 20 August 2014 15: 40
    0
    And why only Veterans of the US intelligence services? And we want!

    And also the Malaysians. The Chinese are very interested, but so far they keep quiet. But what about the demands of the parashka to declare terrorist organizations for the destruction of the DPR and LPR Boeing? In fact, it turns out it is necessary to make the Ruin work and declare it a terrorist state! Only the black man in the white house cannot do this. Strangle white a pillow.
  39. demotivator
    demotivator 20 August 2014 15: 45
    0
    "Professional intelligence veterans for sanity"

    Good name for the organization. It inspires some hope.
  40. RUS33
    RUS33 20 August 2014 15: 59
    0
    Quote: lexxxus
    America has right not to incriminate oneself.
    The law however ...

    And those who could testify about this, most likely will not be found.
  41. delorian
    delorian 20 August 2014 16: 02
    +1
    if the Russian Federation or the Militias were to blame, then the United States would definitely not be persuaded !!!
  42. Curious
    Curious 20 August 2014 17: 09
    0
    US intelligence veterans at one time did not work so bluntly and rudely. And America was the center of the confrontation between the USSR and communism.
  43. GHOST29RUS
    GHOST29RUS 20 August 2014 17: 26
    0
    The White House does not know what the truth is.
  44. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 20 August 2014 18: 14
    +1
    If they were intelligence veterans, they would have long been able to scout who shot down, and not make statements. After all, the roots remained.
  45. faterdom
    faterdom 20 August 2014 18: 55
    +1
    For some reason, as veterans - so immediately for sanity. Even scouts, even politicians, even Carla del Ponta. Probably a contract is being signed (with the devil?): "For the entire period of my service to democratic values ​​I refuse sanity ... and I swear ..."
  46. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 20 August 2014 20: 24
    +2
    Then the other day I looked at Obama’s appeal - so his head went gray for a week as if he put a bag of flour under it. I’m completely lost. Then they demanded to return the Nobel Prize from him, then veterans asked tricky questions, then you started to seething in Fergussen, congressmen impeachment frighten, and indeed, the whole world is already looking at him like a fool. Breathing for him every day is harder. Probably soon some bunks with Poroshenko will be divided in the new Nuremberg ...
    1. iConst
      iConst 22 August 2014 12: 10
      0
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      ... Then they demanded that he return the Nobel Prize ...
      Where does the information come from? I think - stuffing. The fund does not dare to admit its getting along.
  47. smoker
    smoker 21 August 2014 02: 07
    +1
    In my opinion, all that the States had to do, promoting their policies, they (unfortunately) did.
    In general, the scheme is already "worked out".

    1. They made a fuss right after / in the process of a crime with a downed plane.
    2. Immediately declared Russia guilty of a crime. Trumpeted about it in all their own and other media.
    3. Announced the available "incontrovertible evidence". Again, to the whole world.
    4. They were silent on the response statements from Russia.
    5. Hush up the "investigation".
    As a result - the already established opinion about the "culprits" in the ranks of ordinary people both in the United States and in Europe. And it will be quite difficult to convince / force_change this opinion, but rather impossible.

    And then, even if (or rather, when) the debriefing proves Russia's innocence, of course, this will not be covered so extensively in the Western media. And point by point, as a result, we get the opinion of "Western voters". Next, everything is in quotation marks:

    “1. Russia is to blame, it shot down the plane! The sanctions were right!
    2. Isn't she? I have not heard about it ... Again the KGB is "stirring up" something. And in general Russia and the USSR, as usual, are Evil.
    3. They didn’t prove that Russia shot down? .. There is no evidence, they are hiding it - it’s understandable, secret services - it’s impossible to disclose everything.
    4. Definitely not Russia? Let's conduct a new, "independent investigation".
    5. Which plane? Malaysian? What are you talking about, we have fever problems here, not before ... "
    1. iConst
      iConst 22 August 2014 12: 12
      0
      Quote: smoker
      5. Which plane? Malaysian? What are you talking about, we have fever problems here, not before ... "
      By the way! An interesting idea - but by chance the attack on the quarantine camp and the run-up of those infected was not a Pandocan action, was it?
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  49. MIV999
    MIV999 21 August 2014 08: 34
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    Even 20 years ago, an intelligence officer was a "piece goods", a person with remarkable intelligence, ability to analyze ... And never did the same CIA work as clumsy as it does now ...
    It would seem that times have changed, technology has reached unprecedented heights in tracking situations around the world. Space is crammed with tracking satellites that allow you to photograph objects the size of a matchbox ... And when in such a situation, State Department officials cite fake videos from social networks as "evidence", then all this absurdity and absurdity of what is happening, naturally, humiliates the specialists from TOY, old intelligence ...
    PS In general, I get the feeling that the US is dragging out time for a reason ... and in a week or two the State Department will present the world with "super weighty proof" of the guilt of the militias and Putin personally ...
    Pss. It's just that before the employees of the DREAMCAST animaition did not have time - they still have the premiere of the Kung Fu Panda sequel on the nose ...