The Russians won the tank biathlon championship, but the shooting was more accurate Chinese crews

International Driving Crew Competitions tanks and firing accuracy took place in Alabino near Moscow from August 4 to 16. The Russians won both in the team and in the individual championship, the website reports. Popular mechanics.

The championship was attended by crews from 12-ti countries: Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Serbia, India, Mongolia, Venezuela, Angola, China and Kuwait.

Russia won with the result of passing the 1 track for an hour. 15 min. 13 seconds In second place is Armenia (1: 20: 03) and in third place is China (1: 30: 56).

Meanwhile, as reported by the Military Parity, Russian observers noted that “the firepower and accuracy of shooting Chinese tanks Type 96A surpassed the similar parameters of the T-72 type tanks that participated in the competition”. At the same time, the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov said:

“The Chinese crews fired perfectly, Russian tank crews need to learn from them.”

Accuracy on the move (30 km / h) for Type 96А also turned out to be significantly higher than that of T-72. Although the Chinese tanks, according to previously conducted laboratory tests, are inferior in accuracy to the American МХNUMX Abrams.

The newspaper "Huantsyu Shibao", commenting on the results of the biathlon, said that the Chinese soldiers took the third place because of the "weak engines of their cars."

Another Zhongguo Zhibao newspaper quoted one of the participants of the Hou Peng competition: “The Russian team used the T-72B tanks, whose engine power is HP 1130 We brought our tank Type 96A, whose engine power is less than 300 l. with.".

“The driving characteristics of our tank engines must be improved, but the true combat capability of the vehicle can only be verified in real operations. Armament, firing systems, optics and electronics Type 96А no worse than foreign analogues ", - the colonel of the Chinese army Yu Kuilun expressed his opinion to the publication.

Tank Type 96A is described by experts as the "second generation chassis, third generation tower." According to experts, "the tank has insufficient speed, slow acceleration, not too frisky when overcoming the slopes." They say that the mobility of the machine is easy to increase, if you install on it the engine from Type 99. However, it is inexpedient to do this because of the high cost of the unit: one tank of Type 99 is equal in value to three Type 96A.

Comments

[Old Cynic]

“The Chinese crews fired perfectly, Russian tank crews need to learn from them.”

Well, Duc ... What does a person do when aiming? That's right - he squints a little. The Chinese do not need to squint, there is no unnecessary strain on the eyelids. Hence the success ...

[Giant thought]

The tank biathlon, what is its benefit, in peacetime in competitive conditions reveals the shortcomings of tanks, which will allow designers to work on eliminating them, which will save many tanker guys’ lives in military conditions.

[lelikas]

Quote: Thought Giant

The tank biathlon, what is its benefit, in peacetime in competitive conditions reveals the shortcomings of tanks, which will allow designers to work on eliminating them, which will save many tanker guys’ lives in military conditions.

Judging by last year, ours were planted in white light both from motionless tanks and guided projectiles.
Training needs to be improved.

[WKS]

Quote: lelikas

Judging by last year, ours were planted in white light both from motionless tanks and guided projectiles.
Training needs to be improved.

So, we won’t conflict with the Chinese yet, all our tanks will shoot for ef. One hope for speed can T-72B have time to escape while they aim.

[Natalia]

The Russians won the tank biathlon championship, but the shooting was more accurate Chinese crews

[s1н7т]

Indeed, a giant of thought! Well, how many countries will have to drive through Alabino ?!
And so the shortcomings of our machines are known without this show. And, by the way, the T-72 has enough "accuracy", it is necessary to train the crews better.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Old Cynic

Well, Duc ... What does a person do when aiming? That's right - he squints a little. The Chinese do not need to squint, there is no unnecessary strain on the eyelids. Hence the success ...

I absolutely agree with you :) But seriously, the question is in the "development" year. I took it in quotes, because it was not just that there was a link in the article on accuracy to Abrams. The replica is always worse than the original. And the filling of T 72 and Abrams is not equivalent in electronics.

[Cadet787]

With all my heart I congratulate our soldiers on their victory. GLORY TO THE RUSSIAN TANKISTS, heirs to the military GLORY OF THE SOVIET TANKISTS!

[Rus2012]

Quote: Old Cynic

Hence the success ...

IMHO it's all about BIUS, the combat information management system

[Old Cynic]

I’ve joked, damn it ...

[jaguar]

The accuracy of shooting on the go (30 km / h) in the Type 96A was also significantly higher than that of the T-72. Although Chinese tanks according to previously conducted laboratory tests are inferior in accuracy to the American M1 Abrams. But this should be alarming designers especially specialists in optoelectronic equipment

[Rider]

But who knows these Abrams, how do they actually shoot them. I think that it is not much better than 72. in any case, not an order of magnitude. Otherwise, they would have been removed from the army long ago.

[Moksha]

there is no reason to flirt with the Chinese, there is a reason to turn the caps with a visor back, roll up your sleeves and work ... ALL. From design bureaus to tankers. Thanks to biathlon.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Moksha

back, roll up your sleeves and work ... EVERYONE. From design bureaus to tankers. Thanks to biathlon.

Here is the result of the benefits of competition on the face! And the wolves are full and the sheep are whole.

[shuhartred]

Quote: Oleg147741

Here is the result of the benefits of competition on the face! And the wolves are full and the sheep are whole.

and the shepherd's blessed memory

[Edvagan]

Well, with us (among Russians) those who won are also Tatars

[RUSOIVAN]

Well, well: Western VO: specifically, Kamenka.

[armageddon]

Hmm ... Now there is a reason to work on the bugs !!! To the landfill !!!

[Finches]

I now remember my term, where they sculpted a T-72 tank operator-gunner out of me, so if we put aside the guards and outfits, the rest of the time I was shooting from the tank, simulators, constantly! I want to say that I have grown to the rank of lieutenant colonel, but I am now scribbling a seditious thing, but in the canteen now there is "Slavyanka", in the park, all kinds of military equipment, and it seems the intensity of the shooting has increased, but ...
The thing is that time puts its emphasis in teaching military affairs! It's called just-experience! You can be a sniper in the first year, but only in the second year, you are a sniper with experience! It’s hard for me to put it in words, but in short, a year of service makes an automatic machine out of a person, he can not have time to think, but two, he already makes a person out of a man! Even two years for modern high-tech equipment is the minimum!
Although they were contractual at the competition, but what encourages the contract to be a social war, and an conscript, that encourages youthful excitement! So, when in the Soviet Army youthful excitement diluted the experience of over-conscripts and ensigns, under the guidance of competent officers, we were invincible! For youth, the best school of patriotism is the army, for the country it is also a renewed mob. reserve ... There are disadvantages and advantages, but we are strategically, politically, geographically, ethnically not a country that should transfer to a contract army! We are not Luxembourg! China takes this into account well, that's the result!

[Rus2012]

Quote: Finches

At least two years for modern high-tech equipment - this is the very minimum!

I could be mistaken, I didn’t especially follow, but contract soldiers participated in the TB (tank biathlon). And what's more, the winners of competitions of a lower rank are not already?

In my opinion, everything is of course good and great, but the participating T-72b3 tanks nevertheless, albeit super-modernized, represent a kind of "paravoz" that was stuffed with electronics, and not in an optimal way. From this point of view, the Type-96a looks more organic, albeit weak in motor power.

Here is more about T-72б3 - http://topwar.ru/35631-t-72b3chto-eto-za-zver-chast-1.html

[Finches]

Yes, I wrote that the contractor participated in biathlon, but he wrote on the iPad, he corrected me, the infection, and some kind of stupid words appeared
I wrote a little lower, with all the shortcomings of the T-72, today, this is a masterpiece of the embodiment of combat power without frills, but also taking into account the professionalism of the crew! A kind of symbiosis! Wow, avatar!

[ispaniard]

I agree that the sight installed on the T72BZ-Belarusian "Pine", which needs to be opened MANUALLY before opening fire, is especially touching ...

[Artist]

Jokes are jokes, and the bell is unpleasant ...

[Basarev]

Next time it will be more serious: we will roll out Armata to the landfill.

[Iline]

You can roll out Armata, only no one knows about the electronics of this tank yet. If everything remains the same, then there is nothing to catch. No matter how ideal a piece of iron would be in a modern war, everything is decided by the accuracy and speed of reaction. You can, of course, precisely aim with the existing electronics, but during this time two shells can drop into you.
As the Chinese proved. There is something to think about.

[Finches]

Modern iron is undoubtedly a huge plus, but the basis of victory is still a person - his head, fortitude, professionalism!
And I mean "professionalism", this is not necessarily a contract soldier, it is any serviceman trained to perfectly manage entrusted weapons and know the intricacies of his profession!
For two years, it turned out to be done from conscripts, for a year, there is enough time to carry out psychological breakdown of a person, to rebuild him from civilian to military rails and set a minimum level of military knowledge, but no more. I say how a man who commanded a platoon, company, battalion and saw this very difference. Plus, the young man's maturity in harsh army conditions gives a positive result for two years, but not for a year! And it is precisely in this that the Chinese replay us. If we broke our school of NVP, starting from school, then the Chinese, on the contrary, instill it. True, the service in the PLA is voluntary and it is very different from ours, thanks to the human resource, nevertheless, they have two years of service.

[Lenar]

Well done guys! Good luck in the future.

[DMB-88]

what can I say, only CONGRATULATIONS !!!
and accuracy must be tightened in the light of recent events !!!

[tomket]

Especially if you consider that bad people on the Abrams are laying a projectile on the move at a target up to 5 km. In any case, you need to introduce new models into the troops, or engage in real modernization. And then the story of the "long arm" of the Kursk battle will repeat itself. Not all battles can be won at the expense of the crews' courage, you need to keep your equipment at the same level.

[Rus2012]

Quote: tomket

immediately put the projectile in the target up to 5 km.

no need to eat!
Effective Abrams fire maximum 2,8km!

[tomket]

Jews in the "War for Water" fired from 11 km. and they were far from Abrams.

[Rus2012]

Quote: tomket

Jews in the "War for Water" fired from 11 km.

Give the facts: What, Where and Why?

PS: the cannon of the landing Octopus is also capable of 9m119 ATGMs killing tanks at a distance of 4000 meters through the barrel, and helicopters up to 5tys

[Rider]

You can lose at least 100 km. The question is the effectiveness of such shooting. You need to get from such a distance and break through the armor.

[NOMADE]

There were centurions with a rifled barrel and hit from a height on a lower enemy.

[vorobey]

Quote: Rus2012

no need to eat!

removed from the language ... plus .. And show me on the European theater of at least one direction where you can shoot for 5 km, well, except maybe in the sky.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: vorobey

Well, maybe in the sky.

This is strongly said about heaven! :)

[s1н7т]

Quote: vorobey

And show me on the European theater of at least one direction where you can shoot for 5 km

Absolutely right! Max. - 2,5 km.

[Rider]

And then 72 ku most likely will not break from such a distance.

[Gambit]

Quote: tomket

Especially when you consider that bad people on Abrams immediately put a projectile at a target of up to 5 km.

Well, American tanks do not shoot on the move, they have a loader there ...

[290980]

Quote: Gambit

Well, American tanks do not shoot on the move, they have a loader there ...

Datysh, what’s this? (see video) and the Germans are charging and shooting straight away, only about the automatic loader inappropriately singing that they say they are so stupid that they can’t do the machines? In ship artillery mountings they can, but in tanks something they lack in mind, or maybe they simply do not consider it necessary?

[Sailor]

But this is not Abrams but Leopard 2 which, by knowledgeable people (neither the Discovery Channel), is considered the best tank in the Western world, and we can compete with it except the T-90A, AM.

[290980]

Quote: Sailor

But this is not Abrams but Leopard 2 which, by knowledgeable people (neither the Discovery Channel), is considered the best tank in the Western world, and we can compete with it except the T-90A, AM.

you disappointed the sailor, this is an abrams.))) But about Leo, I don’t need Internet links, each of this box has my fingerprints.

[Sailor]

Sorry, but from the "back" it looks like Leo, but my idea was not which tank is shooting in the video, but what we can oppose to "them" only the latest samples (T-80UM, 90A, AM.)

[user1212]

Quote: 290980

you disappointed the sailor, this is an abrams.))) But about Leo, I don’t need Internet links, each of this box has my fingerprints.

So tell us how to charge the gun when driving in very rough terrain at a speed of 30 km per hour, and even if the tank is constantly maneuvering.

[Kasym]

290980. I agree. But Abrams is charged for safety only when parking, on the go absolutely impossible. So he fired, which was charged when parked. And the next one - have to stop ?!

[Kars]

Quote: Kasym

But Abrams is charged for safety only when parking, on the go absolutely impossible.

Where did you read that? Don’t throw the link to the instruction, circular?

[Rider]

Misses campaign cut.

[SSeT]

The distance, frankly, is not 5 km, but the training is really impressive. And the exercises are well-chosen - first on a motionless particularly dangerous target - then on a moving 2nd. Study and experience, experience and study!

[s1н7т]

Quote: Gambit

Well, American tanks do not shoot on the move, they have a loader there ...

Nothing that there was no AZ / MZ on the T-62, but was it fired right away?

[RUSOIVAN]

do not confuse Abrams and the tank from the funny movie "Sergeant Bilko"))

[Oleg14774]

Quote: DMB-88

and accuracy must be tightened in the light of recent events !!!

Not precision, but electronics!

[waisson]

the jacket still offers to hold an army olympiad - without serving in the army, they have gotten to it now they will not play enough either

[Belopolyak]

Quote: waisson

the jacket still offers to hold an army olympiad - without serving in the army, they have gotten to it now they will not play enough either

This is done to advertise and enhance the prestige of the army. Re-equipment, modernization, training is in full swing, what else is needed?

[waisson]

Yes, at T-72, about prestige, it’s good, but where is the rearmament? while I see only the modernization of old models of the times of the USSR
THE ARMY IS DRAWING FROM REAL EVENTS IN THE WORLD AND BRAINING BRAINS TO PEACE CITIZENS
one stole, the other plays soldier than he reminds me of Peter the Great but he is far from Peter

[vorobey]

Quote: waisson

Yes, at T-72, about prestige, it’s good, but where is the rearmament? while I see only the modernization of old models of the times of the USSR

Do you want all the new items with secrets to see for yourself? We recently discovered Pinocchio and he was running around in Afghanistan ... BMP 3 was seen recently and she was running around at the training ground at 93 again .. don’t run ahead of the engine.

THE ARMY IS BEING DISTURBING FROM REAL EVENTS IN THE WORLD AND BRAINING THE BRAINS TO PEACEFUL CITIZENS - yeah ... all for political information in Lenin’s room ...

[waisson]

why not especially to you
and as for Pinocchio, someone found out about her now, and someone 90 more in the trenches in the field should be carried out then you will know more - and not work in public

[vorobey]

Quote: waisson

why not especially to you
and as for Pinocchio, someone found out about her now, and someone 90 more in the trenches in the field should be carried out then you will know more - and not work in public

Have a respected ears ... not a draft in your head ...

I do not remind about the trenches ... better words do not scatter ... you will look smarter.

[waisson]

here I am, so I think, dear, apparently we don’t understand each other to see the trenches we had were different

[waisson]

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[vorobey]

Quote: waisson

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So I think that with a goat butt but .. Probably the truth was different trenches ..

zamusuytes and console yourself ... but as a woman you do not need to talk with hints ..

[waisson]

1977-1978 - master of the trust "Promkhimstroy", Krasnoyarsk
1978-1979 - foreman, head of the section of the trust "Tuvinstroy", Kyzyl
1979-1984 - Senior foreman, chief engineer, head of the construction department SU-36 of the trust "Achinskalyuminstroy", Achinsk
1984 — 1985 - Deputy manager of the trust "Sayanalyuminstroy", Sayanogorsk
1985 — 1986 - Manager of the trust "Sayantyazhstroy", Abakan
1986 — 1988 - Manager of the trust "Abakanvagonstroy", Abakan
1988 — 1989 - Second Secretary of the Abakan CC of the CPSU, Abakan
1989 — 1990 - Inspector of the Krasnoyarsk Regional Committee of the CPSU, Krasnoyarsk
1990 — 1991 - Deputy Chairman of the State Committee of the RSFSR for Architecture and Construction, Moscow
he is from the army

[vorobey]

Quote: waisson

he is from the army

soldiers are not born ... have you heard? although you are probably the exception ...

I had a divisional commander of the 126th Gorlovka division ... he could pour a head start on any warrior ... I had a chance to serve and communicate ... he had a few more flyings on the carpet ... he was sensible and versed in the situation and had like a cat made sense ...

[s1н7т]

Quote: vorobey

soldiers are not born ...

Right. You need to study to become a professional soldier (officer). Good and a lot. And then not everyone becomes, alas. So I can, of course, call Shoigu a "soldier of the family", but not a military man.

[vorobey]

Quote: c1n7

be called "family soldier"

yes call at least stools ... I just see the difference since the ulcer when I just put on my shoulder straps ....

[s1н7т]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: c1n7

be called "family soldier"

yes call at least stools ... I just see the difference since the ulcer when I just put on my shoulder straps ....

I put on epaulettes under Marshal Sokolov, but the difference is different. Both under Sokolov and under Yazov I saw army / district exercises every year. I saw 500 km. Army marches - forget the hell! Even the photo is when the lights - from horizon to horizon I remember the bombing of a river in the city by IBA planes when the ice drift threatened, I remember dozens of flights to the tundra to study to rescue pilots, flights of LenVO aviation with landing on the ice - every year! oud "was like" excellent "- from the GSVG to DalVO, the competition of the first" squadrons "in C mode - who is cooler than the" vigorous "crap, from 3 to 5 days a week flights in 2-3 shifts (for tankers - from 6 am until 6 a.m.) - does it look like a jacket and its owners ?!
And specifically under Yazov - number D I don't remember, where is at least 30% of the classes at night? Damn, we had so much fun, mom, don't cry! Shooting - day-night - 2 times a week. Believe it or not, we barely had time to return to the PPD by the beginning of the political prison! For they went to the fields on Friday, and came on Monday morning - the polygons are empty at this time, otherwise you can get under the turntables or under the Grad, for example. Eh, there was a time! ... I could easily agree with the infantry commander - your "way out" is my TSP. Or even a lump. air regiment - let's check your internal and guard service - come on! Is everything real in Russia? Rave. And everything was - from armored vehicles (though they were heavy) to any cartridges in any quantity. With MDZ for 14,5 was a little strained, but the box was written off a week. If you did not go to the VDK for lunch with a pistol, you are lazy and hopeless. And every day, while you are a platoon / company commander, you are on the parade ground at 6 am. You run with everyone (though one day you saw a company commander on a bicycle next to a running company))), and on Mondays, on charging, the beginning. army headquarters and - scout trail, to which 6 km. run away.
I remembered about tanks: winter, morning, exercise. As a sample, 32 coup lifts in felt boots L / s is aching. And what to do, guys, "you have to work" This is the ARMY! But in the Russian Federation for now - a miserable shadow.
Sparrow, of course, is a proud bird, but it does not fly so high as to see everything.
Yours faithfully,
P.S. I apologize for the many words - I could not resist.
P.P.S. During his service in the GSVG, he was somehow divorcing the linemen in the parade crew. I saw how, after all who were in line, German grandmothers carried their flowers to the graves of our soldiers. This is an estimate !!! Once the "Russian" army will receive the same? I generally have Yeltsin's "Russians", "Russian" across the soul. We are Russians. And the army is Russian. The drunk came up with a new "community of people", and everyone is happy.

[Finches]

Valentine! Absolute plus, hundreds of pluses!
The Russian Armed Forces should strive for this! And strive oh, how much more after the devastation!

[Finches]

You are right in many ways! It disturbs me as a career officer, I will be honest, but the fact that he is a Tuvan attracts me! The small peoples of Russia, especially the Siberian and northern regions, nevertheless thought more about the country than about their own benefit! Their mentality is so centuries-old - because in the harsh conditions in which these nationalities lived, the community system was always valued, that is, you cannot live alone, but only with people and for the sake of people. They have it in their blood.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Finches

this is what attracts me! The small peoples of Russia, especially the Siberian and northern regions, nevertheless thought more about the country than about their own benefit!

Have fun, comrade gene. army!

[Finches]

Then a plus from the bottom of my heart!

[vorobey]

Quote: Finches

Their mentality is so centuries-old - because in the harsh conditions in which these nationalities lived, the community system was always valued, that is, you cannot live alone, but only with people and for the sake of people. They have it in their blood.

and I’m still impressed by the fact that his hands, like a man’s, grow from the right place ... with a tree, like me he likes to get confused ... I respect men who have a passionate hobby.

You and I get the same black oil. where he served at 72

[Finches]

For fun. Near Chita, the village of Peschanka, military unit 52410.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Finches

For fun. Near Chita, the village of Peschanka, military unit 52410.

Sorry, for some reason I was sure that there were 80s. In 85-86 years.

[Finches]

62,64 matches there were 72 matches, but older tanks, all kinds of amphibious tanks, I didn’t see the 80s, maybe they were, but not in our regiment!

[Belopolyak]

Quote: waisson

Yes, at T-72, about prestige, it’s good, but where is the rearmament? while I see only the modernization of old models of the times of the USSR
THE ARMY IS DRAWING FROM REAL EVENTS IN THE WORLD AND BRAINING BRAINS TO PEACE CITIZENS
one stole, the other plays soldier than he reminds me of Peter the Great but he is far from Peter

I do not argue about fundamentally new types of weapons, but rearmament means not only new types of weapons, but also the replacement of old ones. Although often it is also a weapon, but it is MODERNIZED and NEW.

[Finches]

Yes T-72 is a masterpiece !!!
Look, "Mona - Lisa" by Da Vinci, so far no one has repeated, but how old is she! So it is in weapons! Kalashnikov's thought is at least another hundred years of perfection, if not more and the T-72 tank is a unique thing !!

[waisson]

USSR masterpiece of tank building
and where are the modern masterpieces?

[Finches]

The thing is that Russia is a young country, it, like Ukraine, is 23 years old, what tanks ??? If the Soviet Union in the first years of its existence thought how to protect its independence and preserve the inherited inheritance from the empire, imprisoning it under its political and economic formation, but in the interests of the country, then people who came to power in modern Russia thought how to quickly plunder the inherited inheritance in the interests of your pocket! They had no time for tanks ... Only now, the self-consciousness of the Russian Federation is beginning to raise its head and recall not the private, but the state interests of the whole people!

[Finches]

Minus, put Khodorkovsky?

[Finches]

And this minus was put, probably by Leonardo de Vinci himself!

[tomket]

Did you miss the kitchen outfits? true army amusement of the times of the Soviet Army.

[waisson]

why the outfits-training grounds-and not a window dressing nationwide

[Finches]

If you are to me, I was pulled out from under my mother’s skirt and in the same outfit in the kitchen, I learned how to peel potatoes, but I learned a lot there, work shoulder to shoulder with my comrades, where you were ashamed to fool around, since you would bring everyone , where you’re not fucked up .. on the forum with clever phrases, and with your behavior and actions you earned respect in the team ... I’ve been husband!

[lelikas]

Quote: tomket

Did you miss the kitchen outfits? true army amusement of the times of the Soviet Army

And I loved them .....

[s1н7т]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: tomket

Did you miss the kitchen outfits? true army amusement of the times of the Soviet Army

And I loved them .....

Nah! The second guard - that was a real pleasure!

[vorobey]

Quote: waisson

the jacket still offers to hold an army olympiad - without serving in the army, they have gotten to it now they will not play enough either

The man you served in the Soviet army, either directly from the school bench for a computer ...

All this was already showing itself and not badly, and the sport of companies and army competitions and more ... Biathlon and Darts are new, but nevertheless there is something to think about and prepare a sled in the summer and not during the war ...

[waisson]

sport companies showed themselves in competitions of various sizes but not at the training ground

[Black Colonel]

The result must certainly be taken into account.

[Belopolyak]

Well, ours also did not use an advanced tank) Maybe they did it with a purpose so as not to greatly embarrass the "competitors"? We won anyway

[tommytros]

in a military conflict in Sudan, Type-96 of Chinese production, armed with the Sudanese army, destroyed several South Sudanese T-72s. And this tank is being built for less than 10 years. It would be strange if it were all worse than the T-72 whose production began in 1973.

[Serg 122]

in a military conflict in Sudan, Type-96 of Chinese production, armed with the Sudanese army, destroyed several South Sudanese T-72s. And this tank is being built for less than 10 years. It would be strange if it were all worse than the T-72 whose production began in 1973.

And you by any chance do not know - where do the Chinese have this "magnificent tank"? And why is it just like the T-72? (I don't mean camouflage ...)

[shuhartred]

Quote: tommytros

in a military conflict in Sudan, Type-96 of Chinese production, armed with the Sudanese army, destroyed several South Sudanese T-72s.

And in 1943, one T-70 destroyed two Panthers, so what?

[nils]

Tank Type 96A main battle tank of the Chinese Army. After the Chinese managed to get a sample of the T-72, the Type-96 was the first Chinese tank to be equipped with an 125-mm smoothbore gun and an automatic loader. The gun is a copy of the Russian 2A46M.
The accuracy of shooting on the go (30 km / h) for the Type 96A also turned out to be significantly higher than for the T-72 it is not clear.

Invent, copy, do anything, and the Russians ultimately win.

[Uncle]

Quote: nils

copy, do anything

A caterpillar burst in the Chinese tank, it turned out that the marriage. The fact that they have a weak engine is simply strange to read, before the start of the competition they announced the most powerful engine among other engines.

[Serg 122]

The fact that they have a weak engine is simply strange to read, before the start of the competition they announced the most powerful engine among other engines.

At the beginning of the competition they said that the most powerful. After the competition - what is the weakest. Everything is normal, as usual ...

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Serg 122

At the beginning of the competition they said that the most powerful. After the competition - what is the weakest. Everything is normal, as usual ...

Well, we understand that this is the east! :)

[KG_patriot_last]

Maybe the LMS and the stabilizers / sights were better, maybe the tactics were more correct (slower to shake less) - in general, you just won’t say why

[Rider]

Human factor.

[huut]

Quote: Horseman

Human factor.

Finally, at least someone remembered the people inside. Attacked TTX to discuss, just like children on their favorite toys)

It is necessary to strengthen the penalty for misses, so that there is an incentive to shoot more accurately, and improve devices. Accuracy is more important. And then they decided to leave at the expense of speed - and left, in the literal sense.
Or take out the shooting in a separate competition, so as not to mask its poor performance with a good ride.

[Wolka]

Yes, still need to shoot more and the result will not be long in coming ...

[BMVIK]

Quote: nils

The accuracy of shooting on the go (30 km / h) for the Type 96A also turned out to be significantly higher than for the T-72 it is not clear.

Well, probably it’s all about learning - that’s all.

[igorspb]

Ours, as usual, won not "thanks", but "in spite of". Well done, no doubt. But surely our pride in the Armed Forces and our guys would have been greater - if they had performed on modern technology and won by an even greater margin.
Although it is understandable why they performed at the 72x - Africa and Asia have no others - it would be too unequal ....

[el.krokodil]

Quote: Old Cynic

“The Chinese crews fired perfectly, Russian tank crews need to learn from them.”

Well, Duc ... What does a person do when aiming? That's right - he squints a little. The Chinese do not need to squint, there is no unnecessary strain on the eyelids. Hence the success ...

squint not squint but the one who won won ... and if instead of t-72 there was t-90? .. play along with everyone .. so as not to be offended

[Korablev]

Competitions of international crews on the skills of driving tanks and shooting accuracy were held in Alabino near Moscow from August 4 to 16. Russians won both in the team and in the individual championship

Well .., .. anyone would doubt it!

cons will be from those who doubted ...

[vorobey]

Quote: Korablev

cons will be from those who doubted ...

I doubted but I won’t put a minus ... And the interest was precisely in the Chinese car, since they also did not bring a fundamentally new model here ... 72 proved its reliability even in a collision (literally with the Chinese). The Chinese and the engineers threw food for the brains ... The tankers know that it’s harder to shoot from 72 .. since compared to 64 or 80 it’s stably stiffer and the errors are higher ... hence the accuracy is lower ... so your doubts or irony quite out of place ... I initially wanted the abrams and leopard to take part, but for some reason they were blown away although both have an advantage over 72 both in dviglom and in the LMS ... by the way, 72 took the second place for some reason ...

firing at a speed of 30 km / h - damage to accuracy. 30 km is almost the marching speed of what is happening in the tank, it’s difficult to convey to you especially when the stabilizer is on. the Chinese initially apparently put speed at the expense of accuracy. need to watch .. I have not seen a single video.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: vorobey

It’s more difficult for tankers to shoot from 72 .. since compared to 64 or 80 it’s stably stiffer and the drift errors are higher ... hence the accuracy is lower ...

Yeah, Sanya.
I look, you spend political information alone - a hammer.

T-72B offense to give in no way nizya.

That would be at the 2A46M-5 biathlon, as was announced at the T-72Б3 ... there they would definitely leave everyone at the fifth point in terms of firing accuracy even with standard stabilizers ...
On the new down, the main feature is not even in the metering device for bending the bore, but the presence of backlash devices that give ZERO backlash in pins.
Oh, I wish I could show off with such fluff ...


And so at a speed of 30 km / h, shooting is very "fun" with the standard T-72B equipment ... but for a competent crew it is not a problem.

Our in biathlon are YOUNG PEOPLE.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Aleks tv

ZERO play in the pins.

Plin, forgot to attach a picture ...
Whit.

[Finches]

And we will send you a plus!

[Baron Wrangell]

And please photo and team data! who has, otherwise the winners are somehow faceless! Let the country know its champions!

[irokez-8]

Less ur-patriotism friends. The fact that the Chinese fired more accurately. should make you think.
I don’t think that ours shot less during the preparation for the championship, which means that not everything is fine with us. In addition, ours appeared in their own glade, which they knew far and wide like the back of their fingers, and won no worthy debate (Respect to the peasants) But I don’t think that in a real tank battle, speed will play a particularly important role, accuracy is the second times you will not be allowed to take aim even from the accuracy of the shooting and it will depend on who will stay alive and win. And as for the Abrams, I generally keep silence in their tanks not only more accurately than ours, but also in range exceed two kilometers, and now think about whether they will let our tanks at the distance destruction available to our vehicles or predict. We must seriously understand that only modernization can make our army even harder, now they won’t win with one cry of Ur.

[tommytros]

Along and across this clearing no one knew, because it was completely redone for biathlon, and the work was completed just a week before the start of the competition. But the factor of native walls is certainly great!

[Sasha 19871987]

I was little doubtful, yesterday I read an article on this topic, there the Indians complained that the Chinese have a tank with an engine capacity of 1200 horses ... in turmoil, but ---- most importantly, perhaps we are discussing with such trifles and growing interest and prestige of the army, all success

[Arh]

I think so the next time ours could perform on the t-90, and we will see its beauty !!!

[waisson]

the Chinese will already plow our tankodromes on the T-100

[chelovektapok]

The Chinese should not be underestimated. They learn quickly and while "are silent in a rag." But with such a mobilization resource, the potential of the economy .... According to the theory of probability, per 1000 people born with something with one talent, so much with another. With such a population, talented people in certain areas can be recruited without bothering with "screenings in the selection." Even 30 years ago, they made fun of, like "The satellite was launched. The Chinese massively strained themselves when pulling on a giant slingshot" (c) Now it is a space and nuclear power. And for a long time already "Mosinskaya karabaya" is not the best weapon for them.

[Korablev]

Quote: irokez-8

and now think whether they will let our tanks at the distance destruction available to our vehicles or predict. Must be taken seriously

Of course, we must seriously understand that there will be no battles in a real war. наших tanks with abrams or other rabble, everything will be "nuclear" serious. So tanks are just like that, advertising, free for defense export, such as who has a cooler brass knuckle or a longer knife.

[Finches]

Tank, he is a tank in Africa!
You can drop a thousand nuclear bombs, but only the presence of a person on the enemy’s territory is a sign of victory! So driving on a tank is simply more convenient and safer, even to the infected territory!
Tanks are needed, if not cool!

[Alex Nick]

Electronics must shoot. A man must show in whom.

[290980]

The Brazilians tested their Leopards 1, the next year it was interesting to see these cars at the biathlon.

In late July, the 1st armored regiment of the Brazilian army, equipped with Leopard 1A5 tanks, completed the next training course, according to forte.jor.br on August 14.

Shooting from tanks at various distances took place at the range of Barao de San Borja (Rosario do Sul). Tank crews fired both on the move and from the stop. Excellent results were shown - 90% of the shells hit exactly on target.

"VP". According to media reports, the Brazilian Army has 228 Leopard 1A1BE and 220 Leopard 1A5BR tanks (the last delivered in 2012), as well as 28 M60A3 (63 in reserve).

[Finches]

Leopard is a car! I believe that the Germans, outstanding tank builders and only Russians were able to compete with them and even surpass them somewhere, please do not be offended by fans of Abrams, Leclerc and others. It’s just that the Germans are wars, but the French or Americans are storytellers and populists! Again, please do not be offended, this is my subjective point of view!

[Appius]

To correct the sights and everything will be fine, there is speed, there is a will to win - this is the main thing.

[Bayonet]

This is the direct benefit of such games involving different tanks! It is good that the Chinese arrived on their own, a comparison of the firing was not in our favor, and this should make designers wonder!

[Blacks]

I talked with the uncle .. From Ukraine (Khmelnitsky region) ... extreme topics .. immediately cut off.
asked how life is ... (fucking says), next. time .... make a record ... lay out

[Pacifist]

That's great. There is something to work on for both crews and designers. Here it’s not possible to throw oneself simply with pieces of paper with characteristics into each other, here is a real comparison of training and technology. In general, well done, and we, and the Armenians, and the Chinese.

[Blacks]

I don’t understand .. Why are we happy ?? !!
We kill each other and rejoice ??! Washington region committee waiting for you, bitch
I thought so and answered ... no options (for me)

[Pacifist]

What are you talking about? Why such aggression? Article about the competition. Or went through something wrong?

[Blacks]

I agree.
I drank a little
but such people are furious ....
understand the situation. in the Baltic states ..
everyone is waiting, but no Russians are suffering) and if now we’ll pass through,
Pizdez us here (I already talked about this)
The situation is not very simple ....
and the case ends with 20-40 thousand people (combat-ready
) Nobody wants to hear us (there are many of us, and they are afraid of us).

[Pacifist]

Clear.
But why did you decide that it pleases me that people in Ukraine are killing each other or what is happening in the Baltic states? You didn’t find the enemy there, I also have a brain flaps from this. Since I can’t help them physically, the conditions are not the same, I help as I can, do not believe my words, ask Banshee. And then I wrote about the competition. So cool and do not boil. As I understand it, you talked with relatives and on the nerve, sympathize.

[voyaka uh]

At what distances did they shoot at biathlon targets?

[PROXOR]

So consider the points:
1) In addition to shooting, there is also the skill of driving a tank and the ability to control it. Then we all did. Although, if at the training ground in Alabiono Leoperdy and Abramsa I would not be so sure that the niches would have won so calmly.
2) The T-72 was an advanced machine, but it is still a copy. A copy of the T-64A tank. In that case: And if tomorrow is a war. "Subpoena games led to the fact that the tank was slightly altered, this is especially evident from the engine and road wheels, but everything else is the same T-64A. (I forgot to mention another automatic loader).
3) We will be realistic. Technically, an electronics Chinese tank is better. They are not limited in production and rivet the best patterns. The Chinese Kalashnikov is no better than the quality of the original, but it surpasses the survivability of the M-16 and other models of assault rifles.
4) The Chinese do not spare shells, fuel too. Their teachings are akin to the Soviet second half of the 70s. The military district immediately participated in the exercises. And I will not remind the number of divisions per military district. Therefore, the Chinese ride, shoot more than ours.
The combination of these facts led to the fact that the Kitayezy surpassed ours in shooting, but ... this is at the range. A constant thought is not knocking in my temples, and suddenly a camal will fly into the tank. And therefore TB cannot show everything !!! But the designers have something to think about, the crews to roll out their weaknesses without forgetting about the strengths. The trouble is that most likely the T-90 will be no better than the upgraded T-72. We are all waiting for Armata, but "What if tomorrow is war?"

[Aleks tv]

Quote: PROXOR

The T-72 was an advanced vehicle, but it is still a copy. A copy of the T-64A tank. In that case: And if tomorrow is a war. "Subpoena games led to the fact that the tank was slightly altered, this is especially evident from the engine and road wheels, but everything else is the same T-64A. (I forgot to mention another automatic loader).

Yes, the T-72 (Object 172M) is a "mobilization" version of the T-64, but not a copy.
The alteration was made more significant than you, Sergey, think.
Were borrowed only structural elements of the armored hull, the shape of the tower and part of the "iron".
And fse.
These are two different cars.
http://topwar.ru/31638-istoriya-sozdaniya-legendy-40-let-tanku-t-72.html

[ViRUS-007]

I would be glad to see an article where one could read technical arguments / reasoning about our "loss" exactly when shooting on the move. Dry analytics and statement of facts are desirable, with an objective conclusion without "excessive hurray-patriotism." You need to soberly assess the possible threats.

The type of this kind of sports competition as "tank biathlon" has a lot of positive aspects for all participants, to demonstrate the possibilities of training, technique and BC, in complex interaction.
It's a pity that no one from NATO responded, although I am sure at the level of ordinary warriors and engineers, everyone was in favor. Could at least bring "old" copies of equipment, but not ....
As always a political decision, I don’t think that they are afraid of comparisons, they just don’t want to reveal their cards.

[Bayonet]

Quote: ViRUS-007

I would be glad to see an article where you could read technical arguments / reasoning about our "loss" in

So they asked a question and got a minus for the word "loss", even in quotes! How stupid copies of the "hurray of patriots" come across! They slapped me too. Is it possible to talk about anything with such ??? What are the arguments and reasoning? ??

[ViRUS-007]

Yes, however, you yourself gave the answer and get a minus ...
Therefore, I put it in quotation marks, as I don’t think so at the moment!
And that is why I would like to read technical arguments / reasoning on this topic!

And you can always talk and talk with anyone, on any topic ...

And for the future ...: "There are no stupid questions - there are stupid answers!"

[Bayonet]

Quote: ViRUS-007

And for the future ...: "There are no stupid questions - there are stupid answers!"

This is - "And for the future ..." moralizing, or what ???

[ilya_oz]

Our tanks had new panoramic sights. And it didn’t help? ((Talking about the quality of surveillance devices.

[smershxnumx]

Quote: tomket

After all, you need to keep the equipment at the level.

You cannot go far on bare enthusiasm. If in terms of its performance characteristics the weapon cannot give the necessary accuracy, then this must be corrected.

[HAM]

Explain to an ignorant person (me) whether the T-72B and Type96 are comparable, it is difficult for a non-specialist to understand the "weight categories" of machines. The T-72B machine is, it seems, old, but this "type" is new ... there are too many non-objective conversations on this topic.

[doxtop]

Quote: tomket

Jews in the "War for Water" fired from 11 km. and they were far from Abrams.

)) Duc! T-72A shrapnel dumbed for 9,5 km.

[borisov1]

Tank biathlon, in its current form, is utter stupidity, a waste of money and motor resources of tanks. We won due to high-speed characteristics. But the task of the tank is not to get to the finish line faster than any other technique, the main task is to destroy the tank goals, but just the crews of Russian tanks cope with this disgustingly, they smear both when shooting from the spot and on the move. Either the sighting systems are useless for anything, or the crews are completely unprepared. In general, the Ministry of Defense and the country's leadership this should be paid the most serious attention, maybe organizational conclusions should be made on the people responsible for training personnel. With such tankers, in real combat conditions, the country can be left without tanks in one hour.

[Second]

1) China has more than 10 thousand modern tanks. Question: in case of war, who will these tanks attack, the USA or Russia?
2) I personally heard back in the eighties of the last century from officers who fought on Damansky that the Chinese soldier was a terrible beast. It’s better not to be captured. They will torture brutally and for a long time, before killing.
3) Biathlon, tank ballets - and the construction of fortified areas on the Chinese border is no longer relevant. The Chinese, it turns out, are our allies. With such allies, we no longer need enemies.
4) For Soviet military analysts, everything that is happening now in the field of arms sales to China is just a nightmare. Their happiness is that they did not live to see this.
5) All these liberals a few years ago yelled "NATO is our ally and partner! The United States is our ally in the fight against terrorism! Give Russia to Europe! We have no need to fight them, our enemy is terrorism!" and other similar nonsense ... It's now that they stuck their tongues in the ass when the war began.
6) But now all these liberals began to shout something else "China is our military ally, friend, brother, relative!" etc.
7) That's right! According to the mentality and essence, the Liberasts do not understand that Russia has only two allies - the army and navy.
PS And the fact that the Chinese tankers fired better is no longer a bell. This is an alarming siren ...

[jt_elven]

I was at this biathlon ...

[s1н7т]

Quote: jt_elven

I was at this biathlon ...

A summary would be.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Finches

The Russian Armed Forces should strive for this! And strive oh, how much more after the devastation!

Hmm, colleague! You understand that striving needs a reason, a reason, a motivation. What is the motivation in the Russian Federation? No. The moral with the collapse of the Union disappeared, but for financial money "we ourselves do not have enough." The army of the Russian Federation under capital construction will be at the level of the Ural Military District / ZabVO in their calm years. But thank you for your understanding!

[Second]

Dear s1n7t, unfortunately we do not have cap.stroy. We have, as they call themselves, oligarchy. According to the constitution, the bowels of the country belong to the people, in fact to them. Liberators say: "We must have a compact army" only our territory is not yet compact, but rather vast, thank God. And a compact army cannot defend it by definition. So you are right.