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Radio interception data: For 19 of August, the Ukrainian security forces lost about 500 people

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According to the chairman of the parliament of Novorossia, Oleg Tsarev, the militia managed to intercept the Ukrainian security forces' radio communications, which confirm the huge losses of the government forces. In particular, 483 servicemen died near Donetsk only for 19 August.



“It is a rare case when the reports submitted by the militia units turned out to be less than the loss figures of the Ukrainian troops, which we received through radio interception of negotiations between the Ukrainian military. Only today, as a result of heavy fighting near Donetsk, 483 of the Ukrainian military and more than seven hundred wounded have died. Sooner or later, the Ukrainian authorities will answer for the dead from all sides, ”quoted Tsarev "Russian Spring".

In the ranks of Ukrainian soldiers growing discontent with the actions of the command, said "RT in Russian". So in the city of Novograd-Volynsky in the Zhytomyr region gathered the surviving soldiers of the 30-th separate mechanized brigade, defeated by the DPR militia, who demanded from the commanders to answer the question of why the fighters were sent to certain death, and then accused of desertion.

“Comrade Colonel Nesterenko, there is one. He threw us, completely. We are from reconnaissance, here the boys are standing. These are those who survived, ”said one of the soldiers. - We had Captain Verpeta. I also give him a very big hello. I will kill him if I see him. ”

But all this does not seem to bother the president of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, who continues to set impracticable tasks for the military, declaring another change of tactics and regrouping of troops. However, according to experts, Poroshenko’s plans are nothing new, in fact, not. Ukrainian security forces have already tried to break the militia into separate groups, narrowing the ring around each, but after failures in contact battles, they switched to massive shelling.

“The only thing that remains for the Ukrainian military is to destroy the city of the southeast at the root. The material base of the troops is in poor condition, the soldiers lack experience. Scorched earth tactics - this is what is going on, ”give the words of Leonid Ivashov, vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems. "Vesti".
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  1. gandalf
    gandalf 20 August 2014 07: 34
    +55
    Quote: K. Simonov
    I'm sorry soldier. But since you arrived
    Alien order to impose -
    You have become an enemy. And whoever -
    You have no right to wait for mercy.


    I have nothing more to say about this ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 August 2014 07: 35
      +9
      It was necessary to record and put on the network.
      1. Hippopotamus
        Hippopotamus 20 August 2014 08: 02
        +4
        Igor Panarin (https://vk.com/id163797967):

        The total losses of punishers in the Donbass from May 2 to August 19, 2014 (Refined data, taking into account the radio interception data about the dead and wounded near Donetsk, voiced by Tsarev) - 30 thousand 889 people, of which 18800 people (killed, wounded), 279 - prisoners of war and 11810 deserters and missing persons. Today it became known about the monstrous losses of 30 mechanized brigades (Novograd Volynsky Zhytomyr region). Of the 4700 people, 83 people returned from the boiler. Big losses were suffered near Lugansk and the 80th airmobile regiment from Lviv (300 killed), which for the first time led to large-scale blocking of streets in Lvov by relatives of military personnel.
        1. Hippopotamus
          Hippopotamus 20 August 2014 08: 04
          +6
          So, the punitive’s losses are 18800 people (killed, wounded), 279 prisoners: among them
          - 4848 extremists of the "Right Sector", mainly included in the National Guard, as well as losses among the servicemen of the National Guard of Ukraine. On May 29, the head of the Combat Training Directorate of the National Guard, Major General Sergei Kulchitsky, was killed near Slavyansk; on July 21, Colonel Radievsky, the commander of the Chernigov National Guard battalion, was killed in Lysychansk;
          - 4188 mercenaries of Kolomoisky (battalions of punitive mercenaries "Dnepr", "Donbass", "Chernigov", "Aydar" and "Azov", etc.). On August 14, Kolomoisky's advisor, Y. Piznyak, was killed, and on August 15, the commander of the Kievan Rus battalion, Alexander Gumenyuk. On August 18, Major Nikolai Shvalya, the commander of the Kiev punitive battalion "Golden Gate", was seriously wounded. On August 19, in Ilovaisk, the commander of the "Donbass" punitive battalion S. Semenchenko (real name - Grishin) was seriously wounded
          - 115 employees of the Security Service of Ukraine (Sumy Alpha completely destroyed, Kiev, Poltava, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv, Rivne, Lutsk, Volyn, Vinnitsa, Zhytomyr Alpha suffered great losses, etc.)
          - 380 foreign mercenaries: the Polish PMC ASBS Othago lost 164 people, the American PMC Greystone - 60 people, the American PMC Asademi (known until 2009 as Blackwater) - 130 people. Baltic women snipers lost 26 people.
          1. Hippopotamus
            Hippopotamus 20 August 2014 08: 04
            +6
            - 700 military 95 airborne Zhytomyr brigade
            - 1090 military 25 airborne Dnipropetrovsk brigade
            - 560 military 79 airborne brigade (Nikolaev)
            - 950 military 24 mechanized brigade (city Yavoriv, ​​Lviv region)
            -520 military personnel of the 80th airmobile regiment (Lviv)
            - 290 military 3 Special Forces Regiment (Kirovograd)
            - 70 military 8 Special Forces Regiment (Khmelnitsky)
            -20 military 10 separate detachment of special purpose GUR (Kiev);
            - 320 military 93 mechanized brigade (v. Cherkassky, Novomoskovsk district of Dnipropetrovsk region)
            - 550 military 72 mechanized brigade (Belaya Tserkov, Kyiv region)
            - 700 military 51 separate guards mechanized brigade (Vladimir Volynsky)
            -410 military personnel of 28 separate guards mechanized brigade (Gvardeyskoye settlement, Odessa region)
            -110 military personnel of 128 mountain infantry brigade (Mukachevo, Transcarpathian region)
            -2470 troops of the 30th mechanized brigade (Novograd Volynsky, Zhytomyr region)
            - 250 Territorial Defense Battalion Service Men
            - 90 military personnel of the 1st tank brigade (urban settlement Goncharnoe, Chernihiv region)
            - 60 military personnel of the Lugansk border detachment
            - 185 servicemen of the Donetsk border guard unit
            - 4o servicemen of the 73rd Maritime Special Purpose Center (Ochakov, Mykolaiv Oblast).
            - 60 military 55 artillery brigade (Zaporozhye)
            - 35 military personnel of the 51 Brigade of Army Aviation of the National Guard (Alexandria, Kirovograd Region)
            - 35 military personnel of the 16 Army Aviation Brigade (Brody, Lviv region)
            - 45 military personnel of the 831 brigade of tactical aviation (Mirgorod, Poltava region)
            - 5 military personnel 114 tactical aviation brigade (Ivano-Frankivsk)
            -35 serviceman of the 299th tactical aviation brigade (Nikolaev)
            - 9 man from the 25-th transport aviation mill (Melitopol) - crew of the 1-th IL-76
            - 5 servicemen from a reconnaissance aircraft AN-30, shot down by 6 June (tentatively of the city of Chuguev, Kharkiv region)
            - 25 CIA and FBI officers (13 killed, 12 injured)
            - 70 MIA employees (including 5 employees of the former Kiev "Berkut")
            1. Hippopotamus
              Hippopotamus 20 August 2014 08: 04
              +2
              Destroyed equipment:
              -2 MIG-29 aircraft
              -1 unidentified brand aircraft - July 30
              - 2 aircraft AN-26
              -1 reconnaissance aircraft AN-30
              - 2 Aircraft - IL 76
              - 16 of Su-25 airplanes (+ 1 SU-25 captured on July 7)
              - 7 Su-24 aircraft
              - 6 drone
              - 20 attack helicopters ("Mi-24", "Mi-17" and "Mi-8")
              - 306 T-64 tanks
              - 7 T-72 tanks
              -19 tanks T-84-U "Oplot"
              - 2 tank "Bulat"
              - Hummers 5 (1 captured on August 8 with an American)
              - Jeep
              - 25 Gas-66
              - Gazelle
              - headquarters machine
              - truck crane
              - 1 ZIL 131
              -2 KRAZA
              - 58 Uralov
              - 69 KAMAZ
              - 4 UAZ 469
              - 5 SAU-Nona
              - 5 SAC 2C3 Acacia (1 captured on August 18)
              - 3 anti-aircraft guns 23-2
              - 20 installations MLRS GRAD
              - 11 installations MLRS Uragan (4 captured on August 15)
              - 45 D-30 howitzers
              - 28 122 mm mortars
              - 158 BMP
              - 125 BMD.
              - 303 BTR.
              1. Hippopotamus
                Hippopotamus 20 August 2014 08: 05
                +2
                Once again, source - Igor Panarin

                https://vk.com/id163797967
                1. n0isy
                  n0isy 20 August 2014 09: 27
                  +1
                  I think the loss of l / s can be halved, and technology 4 times. At the same time, the figure still remains at the level of 500% of Afghanistan (10 thousand people lost there over 15 years).
                  How can you hate the meat you control so much?
              2. drop
                drop 20 August 2014 08: 44
                +2
                Losses in equipment and irrecoverable losses are enormous. Is it really difficult for the whole world to voice them in the UN for a certain fee in foreign media. The peoples of the world must see what US policy brings them. It is impossible to remain silent about this. At the end of August, the peoples of the world will learn that Boyning's plane over Ukraine "fell itself through the fault of the pilots." I have the honor.
                1. pahom54
                  pahom54 20 August 2014 09: 31
                  +2
                  for drop

                  If, as you suggest, these data are voiced at the UN, then they will be turned into the following type: "These are the atrocities the separatists are doing !!!"
                  So it’s better not to need it, let it be as it is for now ...
                2. pensioner
                  pensioner 20 August 2014 11: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: Drop
                  At the end of August, the peoples of the world will learn that Boyning's plane over Ukraine "fell itself through the fault of the pilots."

                  Yeah. A firecracker in a Chinese cabin exploded. Indulged.
                3. ermolai
                  ermolai 20 August 2014 12: 13
                  +1
                  Well, here I am in doubt, the dog will give out something, such as the remnants of a fragment of a Chebarkul meteorite or something else, I don’t have enough imagination.
              3. kay4yk
                kay4yk 20 August 2014 09: 17
                0
                do not believe such a source. simple comparison: in 10 years of the Afghan war, the casualties were 15000 killed.
                for 3,5 months of fratricide - killed 19000 people.
                Well, another 5000 people agree. Well, it was 19, the revolution in Ukropia would have already begun
                1. pahom54
                  pahom54 20 August 2014 09: 34
                  +1
                  for kay4yk

                  I completely agree with you. With such losses, the military themselves would have demolished the existing "power" of the outskirts, which drives them to slaughter ...
                  Such data should be treated with caution ...
                2. ermolai
                  ermolai 20 August 2014 12: 15
                  +2
                  from where 19 I counted about 000.
              4. ermolai
                ermolai 20 August 2014 11: 57
                0
                And what are the Ukrainians left with? he will add captured to this heap.
                Quote: Hippo
                5 Hammers (1 captured on August 8 with an American)
                and this is really beauty, though now the dog will send the 6th fleet to the shores of Belarus, and will level the Rostov mountains.
            2. shurik
              shurik 20 August 2014 09: 11
              +1
              - 90 servicemen of 1 tank brigade (urban settlement Goncharnoe, Chernihiv region)

              I live in Goncharovsk. And we only have FIVE killed, the last ensign, yesterday went and collected money for the funeral (it is customary in our town). No need to come up with anything and distribute nonsense, it is enough in the war.
              1. kay4yk
                kay4yk 20 August 2014 09: 30
                +7
                brother from the Chernihiv region, you live on the border with Russia. Tell me how your countrymen go to kill the same Slavs on their land. With what faces they do it. Or to the sound of pipes to the slaughter?
              2. n0isy
                n0isy 20 August 2014 09: 33
                +1
                OK. 5.5% of the personnel. We extrapolate to the entire group of 30 thousand and get 1650 people. 16.5 heavenly hundreds. No pity? Maybe her, this unitarity, let them live as they wanted 2 areas.
              3. starshina wmf
                starshina wmf 20 August 2014 10: 05
                +4
                Well, not everyone brought you some and wallow in the sun or burned in tanks. Yes, and there are those buried in mass graves. And not all tankers from your village.
              4. aleks 62
                aleks 62 20 August 2014 10: 05
                +3
                ..... Shura !!! What about those who are "missing" ????? Or do you think that with such kneading there are only a few killed per day ???? The figures are really approximate (well, it is impossible to count accurately !!!), but in general there are methods of counting for such cases and they give plus or minus a small error ... Google to help you ... hi
              5. avt
                avt 20 August 2014 10: 18
                +2
                Quote: Shurik
                No need to invent anything and spread nonsense, it is enough for the war.

                Do not rush to live, they consider chickens in the fall. So when and who will return, if he returns, then we'll talk.
              6. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 20 August 2014 12: 28
                +2
                Quote: Shurik
                - 90 servicemen of 1 tank brigade (urban settlement Goncharnoe, Chernihiv region)

                I live in Goncharovsk. And we only have FIVE killed, the last ensign, yesterday went and collected money for the funeral (it is customary in our town). No need to come up with anything and distribute nonsense, it is enough in the war.

                This part is there, it is partially recruited from local, partly from other cities of the region or generally from other regions. If the town is small, how many mothers / wives have not talked to their son / husband? That probably there is no charge or probably the phone sowed - this does not pass unfortunately.
              7. Gagauz
                Gagauz 20 August 2014 14: 10
                +2
                They bury and collect money only for those who are buried in the village itself, the rest are sent to parents, families and places where they grew up. We have the same way. There can be 1,5 soldiers and officers hailing from this village
            3. ermolai
              ermolai 20 August 2014 11: 53
              +2
              almost 10 almost the initial composition with which the ATO began
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 20 August 2014 07: 45
      +2
      Hi Paul! Thank you very much for the link about the fate of the punitive. Maybe there is still something interesting?
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 20 August 2014 08: 06
        +5
        Well, ukrov was piled up, just for a day .., no one called here. They came to take other people's lives, and lost their own. The militias did warn them ..
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 20 August 2014 09: 54
      +1
      We must also help the militia battalions to give fire to the Nazis.
  2. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 20 August 2014 07: 34
    +6
    Nothing new. America is fighting until the last Ukrainian! And kakly obediently go to the slaughter. Shale gas production territories are being liberated from people and cities!
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 20 August 2014 07: 47
      +5
      Grave cannon lard.
      1. insafufa
        insafufa 20 August 2014 08: 08
        +3
        Yes, you’re right, Ukraine’s mopping-up of the male population is apparently not enough of prostitutes in Europe. southeast of the entire population, in principle, Biden the younger there is slate revolution
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 August 2014 07: 34
    +3
    But all this does not seem to bother the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, who continues to pose impossible tasks for the military, announcing the next change of tactics and regrouping of troops.

    For piglets, this is cannon fodder. He needs results of any value until 24.08. In the future, he hopes that A.Mera will cover him and give shelter. The last settlement.
    1. Flinky
      Flinky 20 August 2014 07: 36
      +9
      The fact of the matter is that they will not cover and will not give ... They will throw, as they have already thrown many, many. But Waltzman either does not have any brains at all, or he is held tight by the balls, and he has no choice but to shoot himself or do what they say.
      1. FC SKIF
        FC SKIF 20 August 2014 07: 53
        +5
        He kind of has a family in Canada. Maybe he was taken hostage, or maybe he was taken in advance, otherwise you never mind ... Eh, Petya, Petya, it would be better to make his sweets further.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 August 2014 07: 36
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      . He needs results of any value until 24.08

      Well, there are already results, 500 killed and today only 20. The glory of Ukraine will yell at the parade is not clear in honor of what is being held.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 20 August 2014 07: 58
      +10
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But all this doesn’t seem to bother the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, who continues to pose impossible tasks to the military,

      Sorry, but I disagree here! Who sets the tasks? Poroshenko? I am begging you! The tasks are set by state generals who have come "for consultations." And they only play into their hands if more people die!
      1. Russian jacket
        Russian jacket 20 August 2014 08: 06
        +2
        Well then, Poroshenko should shoot himself ... as Avakov promised am
        1. asar
          asar 20 August 2014 08: 18
          +1
          Gotroshenko has blank cartridges, just "crackers"!
      2. Cthulhu
        Cthulhu 20 August 2014 08: 17
        +5
        We are waiting for August 24. It will be interesting to see what will happen after the "Peremogi" parade in Kiev with the participation of military personnel from the DB zone. It seems to me that the junta is on the eve of a grandiose nix.



        Dialogue between Lyashko and Avakov. The evening of August 24th. drinks
        1. Salad
          Salad 20 August 2014 09: 51
          +2
          something I have a bad feeling that they need the parade for bad purposes ... so that later they blame everything on "terrorists" and demand help from outside
    4. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 20 August 2014 08: 04
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      For piglets, this is cannon fodder. He needs results of any value until 24.08. In the future, he hopes that A.Mera will cover him and give shelter. The last settlement.

      Yes nah ... is he to the Americans? Borka Berezovsky was hiding in England, but what's the point? They won't be able to make money there, but how they will eat the accumulated, they will strangle it! ", or death. And not just an abstract one, but a real one, either the militia after the trial against the wall, or the Yusovites will organize an accident!
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 20 August 2014 07: 35
    +3
    «
    The only thing that remains the Ukrainian military is to destroy the city of the southeast at the root.


    Yes, this is so the shelling of the bombings of ukrov civilians took on the character of insanity and paranoia of Hitler.
    EUROPE, UN, OSCE prefers not to notice this ... in such circumstances, the war becomes fierce and the Natsiks of UKRAINE will be destroyed by militias without any rules and regret, and I think this is right.

    We must fight as an enemy without any mercy.
  5. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 20 August 2014 07: 35
    +5
    When it comes to one’s own lives, enlightenment comes much faster ... I really hope ... that the surviving Nazi warriors will start to ask questions not about ammunition and poor feeding ... but the main question - WHY ??? What were life given for ???
    1. asar
      asar 20 August 2014 08: 21
      +3
      And behind the “asking questions” are the “Sonderkommands of the“ Kahlo Moisky ”!
  6. ImPerts
    ImPerts 20 August 2014 07: 38
    +20
    No comment ...
  7. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 20 August 2014 07: 38
    +8
    After the reports of the militia, I can only say: "not enough". For what they do with the civilian population and the captured militias, there should be no mercy for them, especially for the mercenaries, the dogs of war.
  8. andrei332809
    andrei332809 20 August 2014 07: 40
    +1
    all the same, the speaking helmet will say that the dill have only a couple of lightly wounded, and the "terrorists" have suffered significant losses.
    but it’s interesting, are they telling the truth to their president, or is he content with the “truth” from Tymchuk and Lysenko?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 20 August 2014 08: 01
      +8
      Quote: andrei332809
      all the same, the speaking helmet will say that the dill have only a couple of lightly wounded, and the "terrorists" suffered significant losses

      Moreover!

      Press Secretary of the President of Ukraine Svyatoslav Tsegolko on Twitter announced that the commander of the volunteer battalion "Donbass" Semyon Semenchenko, who was wounded in the battle near Ilovaisk, Donetsk region, will be awarded the Order of Bogdan Khmelnitsky. belay

      "The President called Semenchenko at the hospital and wished him a speedy recovery. He will be awarded the Order of Bogdan Khmelnitsky," Tsegolko wrote. belay
      http://obozrevatel.com/politics/87943-semenchenko-nagradyat-ordenom-bogdana-hmel
      nitskogo.htm

      Full perdomonocle! Bogdan will once again roll over in his grave! request
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 20 August 2014 08: 43
        +2
        Hello, Elena love
        Quote: Egoza
        Bogdan will once again roll over in his grave!

        yes there are many now dead heroes spinning. they could not expect such meanness from their descendants
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 20 August 2014 09: 01
      +1
      Quote: andrei332809
      all the same, the speaking helmet will say that the dill have only a couple of lightly wounded, and the "terrorists" have suffered significant losses.
      but it’s interesting, are they telling the truth to their president, or is he content with the “truth” from Tymchuk and Lysenko?


      It is interesting, but what will they say when their aircraft completely disintegrate?

      Quote: Egoza
      Seeds Semenchenko, who was wounded in a battle near Ilovaisk, Donetsk region, will be awarded the Order of Bogdan Khmelnitsky. belay


      And why have they still not instituted the Order of Mazema the Sworn?
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 20 August 2014 10: 44
        +1
        as far as I remember: Peter1 issued a Judah medal, he wanted to “award,” Mazepa. I hung a lot, but, “left,” I glued the fins-awards. And where now I can get so much cast iron so that I can award all the heroes.
  9. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 20 August 2014 07: 42
    +21
    I repeat - Ukrainians all over the country got into the express "Maidan - War - Ass", rushing at full speed and insulting those who can help stop the enraged train !!!!
  10. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 20 August 2014 07: 43
    +3
    Another 500 mothers made Potroshenko happy, when will his turn come?
  11. pensioner
    pensioner 20 August 2014 07: 44
    +4
    It is necessary for the mothers of Ukrainian soldiers to throw a thought: to carry out a march to Kiev with a demand to return the children. And guess right in time for August 24th.
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 20 August 2014 07: 56
      +2
      Better by the 23rd, just grandmother Mursel arrives on a visit, looks at her eyes, goes to Ukraine, Petrushka, come on, he talks like a homeless flea bug in phone conversations.
  12. Owl27
    Owl27 20 August 2014 07: 44
    +2
    I read these reports from the war and understand that in the revelations of Ukrainian soldiers there is no understanding of the meanness of this massacre, it seems that they do not see beyond their own noses. And the motivation for them is different with the militias, the militias are fighting for their own, and these for what ???
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 20 August 2014 07: 54
      +6
      Some of them are grandmas, some just like that. Personally, I will leave the neighbors alone, just for RUSSIAN LANGUAGE! and contraceptives such as Turchinov and Avakov seen in a coffin.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 20 August 2014 08: 04
      +3
      Quote: Owl27
      and these for what ???

      How for what? For a united Ukraine! Understand, there are also deceived people who sincerely believe that they are fighting against Russia, which treacherously chopped off the Crimea, and now encroaches on "our" shale gas !!!
      But those who are in the National Guard and other "separate battalions" and against the Russians, and are trying for the loot!
      1. Owl27
        Owl27 20 August 2014 08: 53
        +1
        Let them get this babdo across the throat!
      2. aleks 62
        aleks 62 20 August 2014 10: 10
        +2
        .... Well, this "duped" and brainwashed by the militias ....
  13. VadimL
    VadimL 20 August 2014 07: 47
    +8
    The situation has reached a point of balance. The losses of the junta are huge, but there is no progress. This cannot go on for long. A few days of such a confrontation and the offensive potential of ukroordi end. The only thing that really worries is the most difficult ugmanitarian situation in Novorossia. Now the people of Donbas need humanitarian aid more than ever.
    1. Black
      Black 20 August 2014 07: 58
      +8
      Quote: VadimL
      The situation has reached a point of balance.

      What the hell is balance !!! Even with stalled mobilization, the human capabilities of dill and SE are incomparable, not to mention the means of warfare ... I am glad that the "militia" cleared the air ...
      And the tactics began to change, most likely they will now rely on the action of small DRGs .... in Donetsk, in Lugansk they have already coded ... there is a lot of blood ahead ...
      Humanitarian aid is generally a complete seam .... and this is a factor ..

      In general, something very alarming, rippled, very ...
      1. asar
        asar 20 August 2014 08: 28
        +2
        In general, something very alarming, rippled, very ...

        Not only to you, Sergey! In recent days, it has been pressing, the severity is something, I don't know! Some kind of dirty trick is being prepared "from the side", "I smell it"! Something is being started! Hopefully it will be okay!
        1. lonovila
          lonovila 20 August 2014 11: 41
          +2
          -Yes, for sure in the coming days Kiev will arrange a large-scale brutal "anniversary dirty trick" ...
      2. lonovila
        lonovila 20 August 2014 11: 33
        0
        -Yes, you are absolutely right ...
        - I don’t understand ... - Why did everyone fall into "euphoria" again ..?
        -Yes, the losses of dill are quite large ... -But dill can "afford" such losses ... -Not even-shelling of cities does not stop and civilians are dying ...
        -And the militias also "allow" such losses ... -and it is absolutely incomprehensible ... -when dill will lose their countless artillery, "hails", "tornadoes", tanks, military aircraft ... and so on ..? - Nobody knows that ...
        -It's a pity that against the background of this general "euphoria" everyone suddenly lost their real assessment of events ...
        -And the reality is ...
        - dill has about 100 thousand reserves, many tanks and other weapons on its way (I’ve read it here, on the website, and read it) ..;
        -It is obvious that the militias also suffered great irreparable losses ..;
        - in the rear of the militia, numerous enemy groups are constantly and practically with impunity ... - spotters, saboteurs, some "motorists" who fire civilians from small mortars ... and so on ... (I also read this here , on the site);
        - the militias are not able (they do not know how or they do not have enough strength) to storm and occupy fortified positions of the enemy (airports in Donetsk and Lugansk have not yet been taken);
        - militias do not have the strength for any large-scale attacks on the enemy troops;
        - the militias do not have artillery as such and they cannot "suppress" the enemy's artillery ... - otherwise they would not allow them to shell peaceful cities and towns with such impunity for more than two months;
        - the militias do not have tank troops; - all the numerous "mythical tanks" that they "constantly capture" from the dill somewhere also "constantly dissolve" ..;
        -for the entire period of battles, militias constantly lose their fighting positions and territory, and then do not beat them back ..;
        - militias do not have an influx of reserves from the local population and civilians of Little Russia (those individual volunteers who join their ranks do not play a special role);
        -You can still "enumerate" a lot ... but only one thing is clear ...- the militias have reached the peak of their military success ...
        -And, unfortunately, the militia can no longer "offer" anything ... militarily ... except for local victories, repelling dill attacks and inflicting "little decisive" losses on them ... -The entire potential of the militia has already been exhausted. ..- they cannot attack ... -The militia did not manage to create their own reserve army ... -all the youth rushed to Russia for permanent residence ...
        -And for the dill, the opposite is true .. -Ukropovskaya industry began to unfold on "war rails" ... -And the "hurray patriotism" in Ukraine is still far from exhausted ... -so the Ukropovskaya army will be provided with human reserves ... -Even the treacherous Kharkov quite zealously began to support dill in the military-industrial respect ... - the scoundrel and traitor Kernes fully justified the "ideas and hopes" of the Americans and the West ...
        -So what's ahead of the militants of the DNI and LNR ... -very very difficult to solve (and maybe even unsolvable problems) ...
        -September ahead, and the militias could not defeat the dill, and are unlikely to be able to ... -Just they have no strength ...
        -Sorry ... -for such a "gloomy forecast", but I got used to rationally and objectively assess the situation ...
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 20 August 2014 12: 35
          +3
          Well, actually I don’t get euphoric, but the fact that the militia wins personally is obvious to me. All fighting forces at dill are known - 8 mechanized brigades, 2 tank, 4 airmobile, 3 artillery brigades, one missile, 2 special forces regiment and several separate artillery regiments - this is in the high school. The National Guard - the former centuries plus the maydaunas that were included there, are about 30 thousand people for the entire dill {centuries were 33 thousand, but the Crimean units went to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, and the Lugansk and Donetsk disarmed by the militia}, and they can’t send them all, because they must control their regions. Territorial battalions and various volunteer units, together with units of the right sector, do not have the normal number of equipment {they are allotted to them} and will not collect in total and 8 thousand 100 thousand will not be recruited explicitly, but those that are recruited must be equipped and equipped, which is enough expensive . In addition, a civilian drafted into the army will not be of any use without at least a couple of months of training, I'm not talking about training in the management of equipment. Everything is not going smoothly with the equipment either - according to the papers, at the beginning of the year, dill had horseradish equipment, but its lack of which the soldiers say is obvious that the bulk of the equipment in storage cannot be delivered on time without thorough repairs, but for This requires spare parts and tools, as well as a lot of time. An example is the Artyomov base, where a militia for money, under the guise of an assault, took away all maintainable equipment - out of 225 tanks, only 20-25 could repair, out of about 500 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, too, 10 percent. There is no reason to think that the rest of the equipment was stored in the best conditions. Now the militia has a fully combat-ready army, for its size it is quite normally equipped with equipment. As for the territory - at the beginning of June the militia controlled Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Lysychansk, Gorlovka, the Snow floor of Donetsk and most of Lugansk, outside of it the militia did not control anything, and now it controls a third of the republics. Losses of some of our points in the north are explained by one thing - 20 thousand soldiers are few to control the situation everywhere. Therefore, reserves are grouped in the right places, and in other places the militia is only defending. Already the second closed boiler in the south shows that where the militia concentrates reserves, dill does not shine. But the territory is not the main thing, although if you look at the maps, you can see that after the liquidation of the southern boiler, the territory was rounded, and most importantly, the destruction of the enemy’s fighting force. Since I think you rarely encountered the same armored vehicles, I can say that the old equipment breaks constantly - our armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles almost did not climb out of the park and repair. When in 2002 we were raised on a training alert, half of the equipment died out along the road, and it was not in storage. So the militia forces are growing, and the dill forces are falling and the mobilized civilians and equipment from storage will not save them. Now dill stupidly lose their most combat-ready units on standard equipment, and they will be replaced by a mobilized crowd in scrap metal.
          1. lonovila
            lonovila 20 August 2014 12: 57
            +2
            -Yes, what technique are you writing about ..? -And that "technique" that constantly fires at the villages and towns of Little Russia, something is firing and firing relentlessly and does not break ... -You also write about the "shortage" of shells from dill ... -It will be completely "plausible" .. ...
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 20 August 2014 13: 31
              0
              Well, they have enough shells, stocks from the times of the USSR have remained, although not everything is smooth here - most of these ammunition are supposed to be disposed of, by the way for tornadoes and peons, there are not so many of them according to the Ukrainian side. Equipment is not only artillery, but primarily armored vehicles and automotive vehicles, and that dill itself has repeatedly been said more than once by dill. Constant shelling occurs because the Ukrainians have a lot of artillery and a free base, and its losses below mk, it works from afar and does not come into contact with the enemy. So, artillery and rszo is the main force of dill and the only winning tactic is to demolish all the buildings where the militias can be, and instead they ruin their units in idiotic attempts to surround something. In general, I expressed my opinion, but I do not pretend to be yours. Only now, at the beginning of June, I argued with a man for money that the Ukrainians would not take Donetsk by August and, as you might guess, won. Now I’ll probably argue with some of the all-crawlers, but they should also be of use.
  14. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 20 August 2014 07: 50
    +5
    But how many dill there! He is mowed, mowed, but he is all rushing. Not tired of fertilizing the land, Svidomo?
    1. 41 REGION
      41 REGION 20 August 2014 10: 14
      +1
      Quote: FC SKIF
      But how many dill there! He is mowed, mowed, but he is all rushing. Not tired of fertilizing the land, Svidomo?


      Harvest must be removed yes
  15. siberalt
    siberalt 20 August 2014 07: 50
    +1
    Oh yoy! Well, how many forests will they coffin for? And these are still flowers.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 20 August 2014 07: 57
      0
      Quote: siberalt
      Well, how many forests will they coffin for?

      The monkeys will send humanitarian aid, plastic bags. Yes, but they don’t even need bags, they just throw their slain.
    2. RUSOIVAN
      RUSOIVAN 20 August 2014 07: 59
      0
      so bury: firewood is still useful: winter is just around the corner!
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 20 August 2014 08: 11
      +5
      Quote: siberalt
      Oh yoy! Well, how many forests will they coffin for? And these are still flowers.

      Nitsche! Here we are at the 24 parade number assigned. 47 types of equipment will be held on Khreshchatyk! (Is it interesting only for one copy or something?) Pilots are training - a couple and four are turning out in the sky! (they will see several visits to be done for the masses) Well, 2000 cadets (from all over Ukraine), and even a whole group from the ATO will come to go along with them in an honorary formation. And then, they say (in Ukrainian TV) right from the parade - to the war in the ATO zone! (Yeah! That's what the ATO heroes were called for, so that they would guard this group of cadets, so that the lads would not scatter when they were right from the parade ....)
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 20 August 2014 09: 02
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Pilots are training - with a couple and four, U-turns are written out in the sky!
        It would be nice to knock them right at the parade. The effect of the parade would be just the opposite.
      2. Passer
        Passer 20 August 2014 09: 51
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        47 types of equipment will be held on Khreshchatyk! (interesting only for one copy or what?)

        47 types of equipment is a bit much, most likely units. Although, who knows, several types of diesel power plants, field kitchens, a water carrier, etc. can be dragged.
  16. Wolka
    Wolka 20 August 2014 07: 51
    +6
    for every artillery strike in cities and civilians, to wet dill in full, not to take prisoner, to drown them in your own blood and vomit, cruelly, but there is no other way ...
  17. Signaller
    Signaller 20 August 2014 07: 51
    +6
    Quote continued ---
    The only thing that remains the Ukrainian military is to destroy --- that's right. Destroy the power that sends them to destroy their own people.
  18. kay4yk
    kay4yk 20 August 2014 07: 52
    +2
    "So in the city of Novograd-Volynsky on the territory of the Zhytomyr region gathered the surviving soldiers of the 30th separate mechanized brigade, defeated by the DPR militia" - why these rams, this cannon fodder will not say: enough, the end of the war!
  19. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 20 August 2014 07: 53
    0
    Quickly finish the entire number of ukrovsk, maybe the powder itself will come to show the class? The main thing is that the body armor is not forgotten.
  20. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 20 August 2014 07: 53
    +5
    Well. And the mother of hohlopitheks say that already about 8 (eight) thousand have gone missing. And they are simply buried in pits by loaders, as an undesirable proof of the stupidity and moronism of the Maidan authorities. Now let's see what hohloofitsioz ​​say. Most likely, another city was taken, 203 security forces were killed and another five were injured.
    God see everything. All those who are already starting to flee from a sinking ship will answer, for the destroyed cities and villages, for the dead civilians and, in general, for an impudent, total FALSE! And it is advisable, when everything settles down, to do, as the Jews did with the Nazis - EVERYONE whose fault has been proven in the events in Ukraine, to get out of the ground. Wherever he is. What would these twa.ri do in their pants and scream hysterically when they are led to the gallows.
    This is my personal opinion. May not coincide with the opinion of others hi
  21. MIV999
    MIV999 20 August 2014 07: 55
    +12
    I understand why THIS "ATO" is needed by PoTroshenko and the company ... For them it is Power, Money, Status ...
    But I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why the fighters of the ukroarmiya have simple truths - that if you turned out to be a fool-Nazi, ... or so weak-willed, you are afraid to go to prison and decided to go shoot at the people of Donbass, then you MAY ALSO BE KILLED in response, they get it like this late ?! ... How were they going to live on even in the event of a "peremoga"?! ... How and to whom to tell about their "exploits" in THIS war?! ...
    Is it really better to be a coward and, having turned off your brains, to be exhausted in the blood of your fellow citizens in the southeast, than to go to prison?! ... Yes, if the people of Ukraine simply refused to mobilize, then there would not be enough prisons to accommodate them ... And no mercenaries from Poland or the USA to keep the army of New Russia ...
    Now they are shouting at the military commissars, complaining that they were SO FIRSTly framed, thrown, threatening to kill their commanders ... And suddenly I catch myself thinking. that I felt sorry for them ... That is, I began to feel sorry for these cowards and bastards, who, in order to save their skins from the jail, carry out deliberately criminal orders and shoot at cities ... Earning credit points for themselves on the Svidomo scale, having served themselves with those temporary workers, sown in Kiev ...
    Apparently, not one battalion of dill should be mowed down by militias, so that it dawns on the survivors that it’s bad to fight, it’s stupid to fight ... That you need to be proud of your nationality without KILLING those who are proud of your ... And that you have to come to PEACE in a strange house. ..
    Oh, sorry for the incoherent speech ... Solid emotions ... But still I hope for understanding
    1. ispaniard
      ispaniard 20 August 2014 10: 34
      +2
      Dear elder, but I do not mind.
      I feel sorry for the languishing in prisons / dispersed Nikolaevtsev, Zaporozhtsev, Kharkiv, Odessites whom they burned alive, I feel sorry for the Mariupolites shot at point blank range, I feel sorry for Donchan and Luganchan, sorry for the slaughtered, stabbed, burned people who DID NOT FEAR to go against these tv.aa .re.e. from UkroHunta and their bastards.
      And always, when you think about the "Semi-finished products" participating in the ATO with pity, remember this photo of "Horlivka Madonna" THEY DID IT-Poor-forced-deceived-intimidated-unhappy Cotton ...
  22. navara399
    navara399 20 August 2014 07: 56
    +4
    If this is true, then this is a disaster for the Ukrainian army. To have such unjustified losses in battles with your own population is the end of common sense, the degradation of the state. If things go well, NATO’s military assistance is possible, they will come up with or fine-tuned, but only seeing such losses will they want to direct theirs into such a meat grinder. Private armies are one thing, at least they pay for it. Yes, and the entry of foreign troops is swaying all over Europe, volunteers in the militia will increase many times and the first coffins to Europe will sober up hot heads well.
    It will turn out like in a joke, they will suffer huge losses, but ... Russia didn’t come to the war at all.
  23. Arkuda
    Arkuda 20 August 2014 08: 04
    +1
    Patrashenko himself cannot end this madness; his overseas patrols are pressing him.
    Although, there would be a desire.
  24. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 20 August 2014 08: 17
    0
    What can we talk about: NATO troops will enter, not bring in their troops, and they have long been there under the guise of any rabble like PMCs! It’s another matter why Russia does not render proper assistance so that the militia sweeps this horde from its land with one blow. There isn’t much to do, just provide the dill killing civilians with weapons and equipment to suppress (full) artillery and MLRS, and the question will be closed by itself!
  25. Grandfather_Hunter
    Grandfather_Hunter 20 August 2014 08: 18
    +1
    How long will the Ukrainian people endure this madness? When will the "string" of the people's anger and enlightenment break?
  26. Prussian
    Prussian 20 August 2014 08: 23
    +3
    About 15 years ago, back in the days of Kuchma, I heard one of our politicians, I remembered his phrase. I do not remember verbatim, but such an idea is approximate. - The world must understand that Russia will never allow our potential enemies to be made of the Russian population of Ukraine; it is a matter of life or death for Russia, if the West does not understand this, then bloodshed in Ukraine is inevitable.
  27. Sergey-72
    Sergey-72 20 August 2014 08: 25
    +2
    Thaw dill thoroughly, there will be instances who are now on earnings outside the country. People stupidly believe that there is a war with Russia and that they have a great / ukrov mission to save geyevropu from the invasion of barbarians. Brains are absent unambiguously and this is the diagnosis - it’s impossible to heal, it is necessary to amputate the head.
  28. Performance
    Performance 20 August 2014 08: 40
    +3
    16000 ... In a day, another 500 families lost their breadwinners - under the hysterical howls of the local media that they were being killed by the Russian army ... but what will be in the heads of their relatives and their children in a historical perspective?
  29. comm
    comm 20 August 2014 08: 54
    0
    This Oleg Tsarev is a big wise guy.

    «Rare casewhen the reports submitted by the militia units turned out to be less than the figures of losses of the Ukrainian troops that we received by radio interception of the talks of the Ukrainian military ”

    A rare case with him ...

    Those. usually the opposite is true?
    1. Artybyrd
      Artybyrd 20 August 2014 09: 20
      +2
      Usually, on 10 proclaimed militias of the blind man’s militia, Kiev calls one, or even is completely silent,) and here even the militias were mistaken down
      Perhaps this was what Comrade meant. Tsarev
  30. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 20 August 2014 09: 26
    +4
    ... declaring the next change of tactics and regrouping of troops.

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/412/mwuh464.jpg
  31. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 20 August 2014 10: 08
    +3
    Poroshenko hangs on an aspen - definitely. It is impossible to explain such losses without the invasion of an external enemy to fellow citizens, and for an internal conflict, irretrievable losses over 3.5 months are simply disastrously huge.
  32. kelevra
    kelevra 20 August 2014 10: 21
    0
    And what they thought fell into a fairy tale!
  33. Grabberxnumx
    Grabberxnumx 20 August 2014 10: 46
    +2
    "Because he is a soldier of the enemy army, fights with weapons in hand, and his guilt does not require proof. Right?"
  34. Thompson
    Thompson 20 August 2014 10: 47
    +2
    Quote: gandalf
    Quote: K. Simonov
    I'm sorry soldier. But since you arrived
    Alien order to impose -
    You have become an enemy. And whoever -
    You have no right to wait for mercy.


    I have nothing more to say about this ...

    And after all, no one from the bottom asks, WHY SENT US TO AND WHAT DO WE FIGHT FOR AND WITH WHOM?
    It seems to be understandable, you will immediately become an enemy and a criminal of the current government and as a deserter and provocateur in a jail.
    they say one thing, but mean, apparently, another
  35. Mahmut
    Mahmut 20 August 2014 11: 33
    +2
    Quote: Shurik
    - 90 servicemen of 1 tank brigade (urban settlement Goncharnoe, Chernihiv region)

    I live in Goncharovsk. And we only have FIVE killed, the last ensign, yesterday went and collected money for the funeral (it is customary in our town). No need to come up with anything and distribute nonsense, it is enough in the war.

    Five were just brought. And those who are in 8 cars are lying, and those who are sprinkled in the ditches as a deserter.
  36. starlite
    starlite 20 August 2014 12: 03
    0
    I am interested in the situation prevailing in the junta's troops ... it seems that fans of computer toys like "counter strike" have gathered there ... after all, ours lost two times less killed in the almost 9 years of the war in Afghanistan, this is, note that in The overwhelming majority of the SA are conscripts, then there are crickets all over the Union, not like in the 40th Army, you can count on one hand ...
  37. starlite
    starlite 20 August 2014 12: 05
    +1
    And dill seems to be there already, at least, buried its entire contract army, according to the most surreal estimates even ..
  38. Grabberxnumx
    Grabberxnumx 20 August 2014 12: 11
    +1
    - I believe in perspective. In the prospect of imminent death. All of us,
    en masse ... It's not scary, believe me, when everything is en masse. And our death
    will be so crushing that her memory will hurt the hearts of many
    generations of miserable
    Ukrainians.
    A quote from the general of 17 instants of spring. Y. Semenov.