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ATO: tight ring constriction

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Apparently, no one knows what is really happening in Lugansk and Donetsk: neither the speakers of the ATO in the form of speaking helmets from the National Security Council, nor the commanders of the voluntary-punitive battalions, nor the commander-in-chief himself. Each of them has its own version of events. Often, these versions are mutually exclusive. Then there are defeated columns of Russian armored vehicles, or refugees, shot by militia, or humanitarian convoys with medium-range ballistic missiles. The situation in the information field is actually taken to its own course, no one is coordinating activities in this area, and everyone is lying as much as they can.

Let's take the Interfax-Ukraine informational tape as a point of reference. If they give fakes, it is only on the basis of direct statements of some officials, or on the direct instructions of the "high-ranking". In the case of posting information for the money "news"Goes under the heading" press release. " A couple of months ago, Alexander Martynenko tried to give news from the opposite side, but he was categorically forbidden to engage in "supporting separatism and terrorism." Therefore, a different point of view is absent as such. As a result, after reading the informant, a complete understanding of the overall picture emerges: kondova schizophrenia, aggravated by a mild form of severe dementia.

So let's go. Lid: "The President declares the need to regroup the ATO forces to continue offensive actions." After the meeting, held with the security forces in the building of the AP, the military doctrine changed. For the fourth time in the fourth month of the "anti-terrorist operation." The last time, I remember, it was necessary to block the border and cut off militants from supplies weapons. Now everything is much more cunning. It is necessary "to divide the territories controlled by terrorists into zones, tightly narrow the ring and not allow for the supply of weapons and ammunition." Any sane person on the basis of this information can draw the following conclusions. First, a victorious offensive in the form of a blitzkrieg is not foreseen, since regrouping and changing priorities presupposes certain movements of troops in order to narrow the zones in the form of a ring that are in someone's points. Honestly, I am not an expert and I cannot say straight away how the ring differs from a zone. Perhaps, for the analysis it is necessary to involve Lyashko, he is well versed in these matters. Secondly, no one even thinks of restoring control over the Ukrainian-Russian border, since this is fraught with a new boiler. Thirdly, even a victory in the next two or three days is not even a question, since, as already noted, it is necessary to find a point, make a ring and divide everything into zones.

Yes, I almost forgot: “Millions of people who are returning to peaceful life are freed from terrorists.” This is a direct quote. Everything is destroyed, thousands of corpses, there is no water, there is no light, there are no products, but people, sir, are returning to peaceful life right under the shelling.

A man in a long time not washing his vest, who thinks that he is the speaker of the National Security and Defense Council, confirmed the presence of a pause in the "victorious march of the Ukrainian liberators." This can be judged by circumstantial evidence. “The Council of National Security and Defense of Ukraine notes that the military parade on Independence Day will be primarily a celebration of the military, and not a“ victory parade, ”said a man with a horse's name. Whether Kobelkov, or Lysenko. Everything is being done so that "Kiev residents and guests of the capital see 49 samples of military equipment." Let me remind you that in July there was an order of the Cabinet of Ministers, which explicitly states that on August 24 a solemn victory parade, fireworks and other magnificent events should take place in the center of Kiev. The question arises: where did the “victory” actually go and what is the point of showing samples of military equipment to 49 guests of the capital?

To the best of their rather modest intellectual abilities, the Ukrainian analogue of the legendary Psaki tried to explain the deep meaning of the new strategy of the supreme commander. Here is a vivid quote from Interfax: “The bottom line is to divide the sectors that the terrorists occupy into separate sectors, and for each sector to consolidate the militant group, which will be responsible for its localization and destruction.” Strangely enough, the gentleman with a horse's surname rather accurately reproduced the famous aporia of Zeno "Achilles and the Tortoise" on the theme of "bad infinity." Can Achilles (such an ancient Greek people) catch the tortoise? At first glance, shit question. But if you use the philosophical logic of the speaker of the ATO, he will never catch up with her. While Achilles will run through one section of the distance, the tortoise crawls a certain segment. And you can split up these segments to infinity. Therefore, the sense of division of sectors into separate sectors is that this process can never be completed, because while one sector is divided, the terrorists have time to move to another sector, which has to be divided again, narrowing the aforementioned ring in the form of points. According to Lysenko, in the near future, everyone will see the results of such a strategy. But! Not so simple with time. Einstein wrote that in different coordinate systems time goes at different speeds. For the speaker of the ATO can take two to three days, and for all others - months and even years.

Again, a quote from Interfax: “Ukrainian servicemen in the ATO zone are ready for a possible cooling and deterioration of weather conditions, warm clothes are already prepared, and some of them are sent to military units.” We look at the weather forecast: in the next two weeks, the average temperature plus twenty degrees. Conclusion - we are dealing with the Einstein time paradox performed by the National Security and Defense Council.

And then a person appears whose first and last name make up a meaningless set of letters: Shkiryak Zoryan, Zoryan Shkiryak and so on. He works as an advisor to Avakov. Lid: "In Lugansk, anti-terrorist operation forces continue to conduct street battles against militants, cleaning quarter after quarter." It turns out that no regrouping is necessary. To divide into sectors of terrorists with the subsequent ringing too. "The maneuverable groups of the special forces of the Armed Forces, the National Guard, are moving towards the center of the city, they are opposed by gangs of militants and demolition men from the Russian Federation." Of course, the first question is: what exactly Mr. Shkiryak smokes and is he familiar with the latest directives of the commander in chief? And how did he manage to find out about the presence of Russian demolitions during street battles?

Lead again: “Ukrainian servicemen are completing a sweep from the militants in the village of Yasinovataya (Donetsk region). " This is the nameless press center of the ATO. The joke lies in the fact that, in accordance with the NSDC, this settlement was completely freed from terrorists yesterday and hung out the Ukrainian flag. But something went wrong and had to "complete" the completed sweep. The local population is at a loss. Again, an operation was carried out to free Ilovaysk, which turned into a “blocking and isolation” of this settlement. Apparently, the troops received the latest directive on securing a separate unit for each terrorist with the purpose of the aforementioned “ring narrowing”.

Meanwhile, the head of the Donbass battalion, Semyon Semenchenko, reports that his fighters are completing the cleansing of Ilovaisk. He just did not read the latest reports of the ATO press service. According to him, two-thirds of the city under the control of Ukrainian troops. These two news are published with a difference of less than an hour. Moreover, Semyon reports shocking details of the storming of Ilovaisk, which, he said, stormed "from ten different directions." Imagined ten different directions. A new word in geography, geodesy and military science. Suddenly, Semen Semenchenko disappears from Twitter and his place is taken by Arsen Avakov. He, too, does not know that Ilovaisk was released, because “in the course of his release Semyon Semenchenko received fragmental wounds”. However, the liberation is developing successfully and "Ukrainian security forces sent reinforcements from the reserves to Ilovaysk." If the city is liberated, a Ukrainian flag is set over the building of the City Council, then why “send reserves”? There is some internal inconsistency in this news. It seems that victory is close, but, bitch, constantly moving away. The offensive is developing successfully, but it is necessary to change tactics. Everything is so good that “a program of general military service of military service is being developed in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, within the framework of which it is planned to solve the problem of training personnel for partisan and sabotage and reconnaissance networks”. Stop! It turns out that soon the whole territory will be occupied? Otherwise, what's the point of preparing personnel for partisan detachments? Or will they be thrown at night on planes to the rear of the militia to destroy communications? But what about the division of points on the ring by sector?
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  1. Pro100Igor
    Pro100Igor 20 August 2014 08: 04
    +29
    Apparently, no one already knows what is really happening in Lugansk and Donetsk: neither the speakers of the ATO in the form of speaking helmets from the National Security and Defense Council, nor the commanders of the voluntary punitive battalions, nor the supreme commander in chief.
    Nobody knows, but the whole world sees this mess!
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 20 August 2014 08: 16
      +11
      Honestly, I’m not a specialist and I can’t say right away how the ring differs from the zone. Perhaps for analysis it is necessary to attract LyashkoHe is well versed in these matters.


      Rather, they would have caught this passive, but put him on a stake, where he belongs.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 20 August 2014 08: 29
        +5
        Quote: subbtin.725
        yes put on a stake, where is the place for him ..

        not... No. a little wrong, this is the "place" he has just for a stake. Colleague, hi !
        1. WKS
          WKS 20 August 2014 10: 36
          +1
          Quote: Tersky
          Quote: subbtin.725
          yes put on a stake, where is the place for him ..

          not... No. a little wrong, this is the "place" he has just for a stake. Colleague, hi !

          I hope that the recommended procedure will finally bring him complete satisfaction.
    2. smolnuy
      smolnuy 20 August 2014 08: 26
      +10
      one question, who do you call men? the Nazis? so there are some homosexuals and other dope. Asking them for something is ridiculous.
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 20 August 2014 08: 35
        +4
        Here at them the "ring" is compressed. laughing Exactly according to Freud. The tribunal will sit in the first dock.
        1. WKS
          WKS 20 August 2014 10: 40
          +2
          And the lady with the scythe in the bottom row is also homosexual? And about the snipers she had, like an alibi, she was still in prison.
        2. DMB-88
          DMB-88 20 August 2014 13: 29
          +1
          Quote: siberalt
          Here at them the "ring" is compressed. laughing Exactly according to Freud. The tribunal will sit in the first dock.


          Hitler, too, was distributing invitations to the parade on Red Square .., and ended up in a ditch !!!
        3. G-iv
          G-iv 20 August 2014 16: 46
          0
          Brotherhood of the compressed ring ...))
      2. Captainden
        Captainden 20 August 2014 09: 22
        +5
        I doubt that Tymoshenko is in this row. No wonder it is now not visible and not heard. Of course, it is rare with ... ka, but with her brains, apparently, everything is in order, and her roof apparently protects it for another purpose. The question is, for what?
        1. yur58
          yur58 20 August 2014 13: 10
          +4
          When the next Maidan begins and once again they begin to take off power, then here it will jump out, like the devil out of the snuff box - white and fluffy. After all, she does not seem to be participating in the current events of the collapse and plunder of the country, she is not smeared with blood. And the fact that her accomplices (members of her party) are sitting in the parliament and the government, as always, no one will think about it.
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 20 August 2014 16: 32
          0
          Quote: CaptainDen
          She is certainly rare with ... ka, but with her brains, apparently, everything is in order

          Are we talking about the same thing ... ke? If you're talking about a pigtail, then I don’t agree about brains. Read her pearls and understand for yourself.
          1. Captainden
            Captainden 20 August 2014 17: 04
            0
            The fact that she became one of the leaders of Ukraine at one time, one of the richest people in the country, created a party with a huge, by the standards of this country, electorate, and at the moment she is sitting quietly, doesn’t she say that she’s not a fool, but it’s and confirms that she is with .... ka. And pearls ... What can not be said in revolutionary frenzy?
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      4. Edvagan
        Edvagan 20 August 2014 10: 39
        0
        More moron Parubia add
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 20 August 2014 09: 12
      0
      UkroSMI, as always, lies at a loss, giving out wishful thinking, at least in this way to amuse your vanity.
    4. Captainden
      Captainden 20 August 2014 09: 19
      0
      In the photo, it’s generally August-September 1942 and this is Stalingrad. But if we discard this, then the analogy is traced.
    5. Mahmut
      Mahmut 20 August 2014 10: 27
      0
      And then their ring is not iron.
    6. silver_roman
      silver_roman 20 August 2014 12: 01
      +9
      Quote: Pro100
      Nobody knows, but the whole world sees this mess!

      everyone sees chaos, but under what sauce is it served ???
      Now I live in Kiev.
      I will say without flattery: I'm the only one here))).
      I say to the employee sitting with me in the office: look, in syshya in the city of Fergesun mass unrest of citizens due to the murder of an African American. With M4, specialists run around the city, people are tanned and planted.
      The answer is extremely predictable: all the rules, this is syshya. The eternal problem of racism, etc.
      Me: why does no one really indicate to the authorities that they are not acting democratically? and who gives the right to intervene in the internal affairs of sovereign states?
      Collaborator: they restore order by shifting all sorts of objectionable despotic regimes.
      me: but these "despots" were chosen by the people!
      she: they rule there for 50 years. those who chose them have long been dead.
      me: the British monarchy rules for hundreds of years. the queen is an example. but it is, the Arabs rule no less, not disdaining such things as public executions.
      she and one more joined: the Arabs are cool, in 20 years they built a whole country in the desert.
      me: do you know how much life would be in Libya under Muammar Gaddafi?
      he and she are my employees-zombies: he is a despot like Putin, Russia constantly interferes in the affairs of other states: it is at war with Ukraine, Afghanistan, the "Rashka" is full of problems with fascism (I'm not kidding, they say that). If Putin dies, everything in Ukraine will be fine.
      me: where are the conclusions about fascism in the Russian Federation ???
      they: skins ...
      I: due to more racism than fascism. but what about the SS veterans parades in LITHUANIA ????
      they: democracy, kill the elderly or what?

      and so on. At every opportunity, they wish Putin a speedy demise, the Russian Federation - evil, etc.
      Type:
      Sasha, hello, how did this beautiful day begin?
      Putin bastard, let him die, the Russian Federation-hombies, slaves, Tajiks, fascists ...

      In short, we concluded that the Russian Federation is constantly introducing hundreds of types of equipment, bombing columns of civilians of Donbass (traveling to grandmothers in Rostov). all, the next quarrel. I'm sitting, I'm silent .... I want to kill people)))

      So the "world" is a stupid herd that sees only the picture that is shown to them on TV.
      1. Simple
        Simple 20 August 2014 17: 54
        +1
        Quote: silver_roman
        everyone sees chaos, but under what sauce is it served ???



        I will supplement the video:




    7. Cadet787
      Cadet787 20 August 2014 13: 00
      +2
      20.08.2014 - 7: 00
      Military riot in Zhytomyr: the 30th brigade rebelled against the lies of officers, the governor and officials. | Russian spring
      For several days in a row in Zhitomir, rallies of servicemen of the 30th brigade and their relatives took place. On August 19, they emotionally called for answering staff officers, regional administration officials, a military commissioner, and even the governor.
      They had a lot of questions: why they do not stamp military tickets on participation in hostilities, why they sent them to work directly from work without any medical board, why they were in the Donbas for six months instead of 45 days, why they were abandoned by commanders, why they hide the true scale of losses and, most importantly, why they are not officially allowed to go home, holding criminal cases for desertion under threat. Nobody in the end could really answer anything.
  2. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 20 August 2014 08: 07
    +11
    As I understand it, the main expert on the tight narrowing of the ring in Ukraine is Lyashko?
    1. Момент
      Момент 20 August 2014 08: 11
      +3
      Then the slogan comes to mind; Ukraine is the greatest and most terrible. But we still win, you will surprise only when you don’t know.
      Partisans, partisans everywhere, just like the Second World War
      Information madhouse, but as you call it.
    2. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 20 August 2014 08: 20
      +1
      Meanwhile, the head of the Donbass battalion Semyon Semenchenko reports that his fighters are completing the mopping up of Ilovaisk.


      Again the fan of masks "won" all. Well, straight HEROY.
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 20 August 2014 08: 32
      +4
      Quote: Scandinavian
      As I understand it, the main expert on the tight narrowing of the ring in Ukraine is Lyashko?

      Well, what about yes , who does not like him to know how much and how his "ring" is narrowing every day, wink
    4. 41 REGION
      41 REGION 20 August 2014 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Scandinavian
      As I understand it, the main expert on the tight narrowing of the ring in Ukraine is Lyashko?


      More likely to expand negative
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  3. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 20 August 2014 08: 08
    +2
    It doesn’t have a lie and does not lend itself to logical interpretation ... especially if people unconnected with one another fantasize about one topic ... the flows of lies from the Nazis make it even more meaningless (although much more) everything that happens with the approval of Kiev ... interesting ... and those who consume this lie ... they are not at all capable of elementary analysis ... or they just do not need it ??? ... people in the West of Ukraine generally hawt everything without thinking about the contents ...
  4. Balamyt
    Balamyt 20 August 2014 08: 09
    +1
    Seems a turning point is coming ....
    It is not clear which way.
    And in such moments of truth it is not possible to find out!
  5. pensioner
    pensioner 20 August 2014 08: 11
    +7
    Everything is being done so that "Kievites and guests of the capital saw 49 samples of military equipment."

    Che, and this one will be?
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 20 August 2014 08: 24
      +1
      Quote: retired
      Che, and this one will be?

      and what is this?
      py.s. hi
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 20 August 2014 08: 42
        +7
        This is a combat UAZ (5th generation ess-no) from Nikolaev. It has unique armor (according to the developers) —from welded bags with a small clearance of building reinforcement. When firing this armored product, bullets get stuck between the bars of the armature. Besides. A charming shooter booth is mounted in the back. True, it is more suitable for trading tickets for Makarevich’s concerts, but for the last attack it will do. Mirrors, however, are not armored, full-time. So you will see this miracle in a fight, hit the mirrors, deprive the review ... Hello colleague! hi
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 20 August 2014 08: 48
          +6
          Quote: retired
          Eto combat UAZ

          Well, if the UAZ is combat, then it must be used by combat ... pid ..as
          1. Rusi dolaze
            Rusi dolaze 20 August 2014 09: 22
            +4
            Just don’t need UAZ to interfere with and connect with pid .. themselves, whether it’s military or not!
            UAZ separately, pid..sy separately, I asked for a ba!
          2. Edvagan
            Edvagan 20 August 2014 10: 40
            0
            on the face it says that fagot)))))
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 20 August 2014 12: 23
          +2
          Quote: retired
          bullets get stuck between
          driver's eye)))
  6. Wolka
    Wolka 20 August 2014 08: 13
    0
    conclusion: well, a very great desire to wishful thinking ...
  7. Tumbler
    Tumbler 20 August 2014 08: 16
    +2
    Yeah, it will be a victory parade ....
    1. Egoza
      20 August 2014 08: 26
      +4
      Quote: Tumbler
      Yeah, it will be a victory parade ....

      Oh! After this parade, as if it were not necessary to put new paving stones on Khreshchatyk! In vain Klitschko repaired in advance! Cobblestones will come in handy!
  8. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 20 August 2014 08: 16
    +2
    Hitler in the bunker also constantly reported on the successes of his troops. Like a little more and Moscow will be taken ... But he chose a different path ...
    Let yourself be amused with the illusions of success. Maybe hanging out in a loop, it’s finally possible to face the truth, and not to invent your own pink world ...
    1. smolnuy
      smolnuy 20 August 2014 08: 29
      +18
      do not offend Hitler
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 20 August 2014 09: 40
        +3
        Quote: smolnuy
        do not offend Hitler

        Is it against their background that even Hitler has become positive? Survived ...
  9. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 20 August 2014 08: 18
    +3
    Yes, the division of the point (Ukraine) into rings is strong, now the victory is not far off and Lyazhko on a white horse ahead of more delirium and it is difficult to imagine.
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 20 August 2014 08: 18
    +8
    "Millions of people who are returning to peaceful life have been freed from terrorists." As refugees in Russia
  11. shishakova
    shishakova 20 August 2014 08: 19
    +3
    Thanks to the author! Great article on lies!
    Lies are always without logic, and therefore easy to recognize.
  12. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 20 August 2014 08: 20
    +1
    It's time for them to start jumping around the clock, otherwise the process doesn’t move, pi..ec around!
    1. smolnuy
      smolnuy 20 August 2014 08: 27
      +9
      so they did not stop jumping
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    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 August 2014 08: 23
      +2
      Quote: retired
      . Which we are observing.

      Hi Yura! But this iron crap from the fence, which was piled on the door like armor laughing
      1. Wellych
        Wellych 20 August 2014 08: 30
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: retired
        . Which we are observing.

        Hi Yura! But this iron crap from the fence, which was piled on the door like armor laughing

        that would not be visible who is naughty at you
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 20 August 2014 08: 54
        0
        Hi Sasha! hi Type of armor. 5th generation.
  15. andrei332809
    andrei332809 20 August 2014 08: 23
    +1
    yes it’s time for them not to squeeze their ring (sphincter), but to relax and grease with fat. well, so it’s not very painful repeat
  16. pensioner
    pensioner 20 August 2014 08: 23
    0
    Bravo A. Zubchenko! hi
    For Achilles and the tortoise and Einstein - special thanks hi .
    That is the difference between the truth about any event from a lie? And by the fact that his witnesses tell the truth in the same way, and each lie in his own way. Even if they conspire, they will never give synchronous evidence. Which we are observing.
    Certainly, the photo of the armored car is attached and not deleted ...
  17. the polar
    the polar 20 August 2014 08: 26
    +3
    Of course, satire is also a sharp information weapon and no one objects to its massive use.
    But, again, according to the information of Russian TV channels, dill in Lugansk recently arrested the chairman of the City Council, mocked him for a long time, then released him and he returned to his workplace. Hence, the deployment of the militias and in whose hands is Lugansk still unclear, is not clear, not to mention other settlements. Most likely, due to the lack of a solid front line and a centralized command on both sides, and command and control of military units, both sides are forced to fight with guerrilla methods, moving around the area depending on who is more heavily imposed on anyone. With this tactic, it is quite possible that one of the dashing commanders' militia, having got hold of transport, can raid Dnepropetrovsk and capture it for several hours, and then depart in the same manner. And all this is quite real for a guerrilla war. So we will be surprised more than once by military reports from Dill
    1. dmb
      dmb 20 August 2014 11: 11
      0
      You are absolutely right. That the Ukrainian media, that ours, are nonsense in full. Everything that happens in the South-East is more, if not for the death of people, strongly resembles "Wedding in Malinovka". "Popandopulo" is available on both sides. Until recently, our media periodically reported on the presence in the center of Donetsk of units loyal to Kiev, and attempts by the militia to occupy them. Then this topic somehow disappeared, or they took it, or they spat, and these parts continue to remain loyal to Kiev, but they do not interfere with anything. And most importantly, the program of the militia is not clear. Appointing all kinds of ministers does not mean creating a state. In Chechnya, Dudayev also appointed them and changed them, and Chechnya was nothing else but a territory seized by bandits. Who will own the main means of production in Donbass after the victory of the militia? If the same Akhmetov, someone from the Russian bourgeoisie, or the top of the militia, then I don't see much difference between them and the bastard Kolomoisky, and I don't understand why the children are dying. If nationalization, then why is it modestly silent about it?
      1. reg_edit
        reg_edit 20 August 2014 13: 06
        0
        Quote: dmb
        If the same Akhmetov, one of the Russian bourgeois, or the top of the militia, I don’t see much difference between them and the bastard Kolomoisky,

        And what other options do you see? (the question is not rhetorical, actually interesting)
        1. dmb
          dmb 20 August 2014 14: 39
          0
          I wrote-nationalization. But, it seems to me, this is exactly the turn of events that our government is afraid of, it is precisely with this that the "sluggish" aid to the Donetsk people is connected. The result of the actions of the authorities (both ours and Kiev's); There will be nothing to nationalize, for the raw material economy, of which it is so proud, factories in such numbers are not needed. Again, the elimination of competitors. Who needs prosperous Akhmetov or Kolomoisky, but not Deripaska and Usmanov.
          1. reg_edit
            reg_edit 20 August 2014 16: 53
            0
            Hmm. Nationalization and what? who will manage something? coal state corporation DNR? or the state plan of the DPR? Or Donbassugol JSC and Donbassmetinvest with shareholders in the form of all residents (something similar is proposed by Kolomoisky, only for "ATO heroes" and their families - who is more a hero, he has more shares)? Or "people's commissars" (and how does this differ from the "top of the militia", which does not suit you as an owner?
            Okay, I'll tell you what will happen next after the most honest and naive nationalization. The products will have to be sold. It's not a potato. Where? yes to the same place where they sold. And there your brave honest people's commissars will be bred like puppies. It's like "how a schoolboy to fight with a selected punks."
            Yes, I do not mind, I wonder "how." I don't see any other options besides those that you discarded. Well, maybe (as a very abrupt and independent step) some kind of nationalization (to be legally exact - expropriation) with subsequent privatization - i.e. make someone pay for these assets and put the money into the budget of the new state. But this is a very exotic option. Here's a look at how nationalization is going in Crimea and you will understand everything
            1. dmb
              dmb 20 August 2014 19: 05
              +1
              I agree with you that the options that I rejected are most likely, although they are fighting in the East just for nationalization. Well, not for Akhmetov, and not for Putin. Even the most boisterous of his supporters among our gopotos will not go for Putin (well, of course, if he does not promise them a lot of money). But both the one and the other fear that the fight for nationalization there, if successful, will continue here, and not the fact that they will cope with it. And all of Russia is not the Donbass. The most notorious of our enemies will reckon with gritting their teeth, as they reckoned after October.
  18. zao74
    zao74 20 August 2014 08: 28
    +1
    They smoke different herbs, that's the result ...
  19. Performance
    Performance 20 August 2014 08: 30
    +1
    There is little objective information. You go to Ukrainian forums, comments - it seems like life is raging, but getting any answer is unrealistic - or a complete ignore if the question involves a more or less specific answer or srach. Friends are increasingly answering questions - "... well, you know ... the situation ..." and silence!
  20. kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 20 August 2014 08: 31
    +10
    Quote: retired
    Everything is being done so that "Kievites and guests of the capital saw 49 samples of military equipment."

    Che, and this one will be?

    and not only, but also this))) as without it then)))
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 20 August 2014 08: 41
      +1
      Quote: kostyan77708
      and not only, but also this))) as without it then)))

      "Iron Kaput"? ))) lol
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 20 August 2014 16: 09
        0
        Quote: sazhka4
        Iron Capote

        Yeah. Through the letter "P" ...
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    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 20 August 2014 08: 50
      +7
      "Iron Kaput" is a terrible force! Will open the parade!
    4. waisson
      waisson 20 August 2014 11: 04
      +1
      ------------ hi
    5. Federal
      Federal 20 August 2014 13: 04
      +1
      Preparations for the parade are in full swing!
    6. Federal
      Federal 20 August 2014 13: 05
      0
      It will be too laughing
  21. RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 20 August 2014 08: 38
    +1
    we were surrounded by kind, lovely people, slowly squeezing the ring!
  22. samuil60
    samuil60 20 August 2014 08: 38
    +1
    Indeed, little is understood. Every day, brave reports on dozens of dead punishers, seized equipment, etc. And Donetsk and Lugansk hollow more and more. Clear and detailed reports from the front disappeared, instead of them some kind of mess. With the head of the Lugansk City Council - generally incomprehensible. Is there every group of soldiers walking where they want? And the article put a minus: a lot of chatter, but few thoughts, and even flavored with abuse. If you cannot express your thoughts without swearing, do not write anything.
  23. sazhka4
    sazhka4 20 August 2014 08: 39
    0
    Usually, with constipation, the anus ring begins to shrink intensely .. And it shrinks at dill and not around Donetsk.
  24. Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 August 2014 08: 50
    0
    http://youtu.be/IM12FidJGhw
    When will he fulfill his word?
    1. kompotnenado
      kompotnenado 20 August 2014 12: 09
      0
      You are stupid man. Or not in the subject. Thread sucked 100500 times.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 20 August 2014 14: 12
        0
        What topic are we talking about if people die?
  25. Underwood
    Underwood 20 August 2014 08: 56
    0
    ATO at a tactical dead end and cockroach races in the brains of its bosses? Inconsistent and Mutually Exclusive Relationships? Considering the dense mess in the Ukrainian army, aggravated by the incompetence of the leadership and the general low professionalism, there is nothing surprising. And what kind of "blitzkrieg" are we talking about? This doctrine does not work by default.
  26. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 20 August 2014 09: 01
    0
    Another junta delirium, as Goebbels once reported about victories on the Eastern Front, and called the retreat "leveling the front line" in order to achieve superiority over the Russian troops! Apparently soon these scum will be "divided" into sectors in the camp barracks! Indeed, according to radio intercepts, only yesterday the national bastards lost about 500 people. killed and at the same time screaming about mythical successes!
    1. Underwood
      Underwood 20 August 2014 15: 04
      0
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      yesterday national bastards lost about 500 people. killed and at the same time screaming about mythical successes!

      but not so mythical, I think. Of course, the luminaries of staff games, Call of Duty veterans and other perfectionists and kitchen-staff housewives laugh at the efforts of the army, or rather, its commanders and political workers, but still - this is the army, whatever one may say. The military operations themselves, as is usual in our time, are just a miserable background for media insights, casual journalism and fueling the notorious vox populi.
  27. simbeer
    simbeer 20 August 2014 09: 03
    +1
    There is some internal inconsistency in this news. It seems that the victory is near, but, is constantly moving away.


    It reminds a joke about the horizon line, like nearby, but, as you approach it, it constantly moves away
  28. svp67
    svp67 20 August 2014 09: 11
    +4
    In the topic of the article, without comment:
  29. rassel0889
    rassel0889 20 August 2014 09: 19
    +4
    No need to relax! Before taking Slavyansk there was also a bunch of fakes that they had already taken, although in reality it was not so. As you can see the losses do not bother them, they stubbornly continue to advance. All these parades and false information are aimed exclusively at the population, and they achieve their goal.
  30. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 20 August 2014 09: 52
    +2
    "Ukrainian soldiers in the ATO zone are ready for a possible cooling and worsening weather conditions, warm clothes are already prepared, and some of them are sent to military units."

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/754/lpbl78.jpg
  31. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 20 August 2014 10: 27
    0
    Quote: kartalovkolya
    Indeed, according to radio interceptions, only yesterday the national bastards lost about 500 people. killed and at the same time screaming about mythical successes!


    Success-success, only 500 people lost, and could lose 600 ...
  32. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 20 August 2014 10: 34
    0
    damn it, regular patrons and ministries at least now put it to the wall ... you don’t even need a court, just leave it on the street without protection ... people will do everything
  33. HU YOUR
    HU YOUR 20 August 2014 11: 15
    0
    Find a point, make a ring and divide everything into zones,
    moving around the terrain enter the ring and knock on the point.
  34. patriot-rf
    patriot-rf 20 August 2014 11: 30
    +1
    I LIKED AN ARTICLE, AUTHOR RESPECT. For more articles in this genre, the mood is lifted
  35. Andrey82
    Andrey82 20 August 2014 11: 40
    0
    Yes, in this nonsense Tymchuks, Shkirians and others, even the most stubborn svidomye already cease to believe. Judging by the protests in Galicia, only many, many hundreds of coffins with corals came there. Nobody believes in the notorious "No losses" or - "Fifty wounded and one driven in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine".
  36. vvsz031249
    vvsz031249 20 August 2014 11: 52
    0
    Comrade Alexander Zubchenko, a person inaccessible to my understanding - how did he manage to understand the strategy and tactics of a Ukrainian national bastard ... Sector by sector, bagel on a hole in ten directions ... Ukrainians are winning, but they are preparing for partisan actions ... I read it with pleasure, and some places several times. The confectionery marshal will soon narulit, and the servile servants will explain the genius of roofing felts, roofing felts not ... and who is she such an atom? At the headquarters of the junta madhouse, they are ready for the holiday, but the crests of Ukrainians in Novorossia will celebrate in blood and mud, in hospitals and under the cover of damp earth ... As the unshaven pastor said, they are glad that a Ukrainian soldier should die worthy, but not be saved in Russia. Those. no one needs soldiers alive ... And indeed, fewer people in Ukraine - it’s easier to drive those who remain on the reservation and brainwash ...
  37. kompotnenado
    kompotnenado 20 August 2014 12: 12
    0
    Historical tragedies are always repeated in the form of farce. German Nazism is a tragedy. Now Kaklyaksky Nazism.
  38. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 20 August 2014 12: 39
    +1
    I’m trying to imagine a Kuev parade on the day of their drug addiction. The military past requires the imagination of powerful equipment, airplanes, troop boxes in the front line, and everything seen and heard on the Internet, TV and reports, draws a column of municipal equipment reinforced with welded fences to love glasses, a battalion Lyashka in tunic and thong, nickname in boxer shorts on a white mare, and ahead of the whole manifestation of Julia in a stroller, with a model of an atomic bomb. laughing
  39. Solovyov
    Solovyov 20 August 2014 12: 39
    0
    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1741614.html#cutid1
    Of the essentials for night and morning.

    1. At first, the junta, on the 6th or 7th, reported on the capture of Ilovaisk, but closer to noon, it decided to become more modest and stated that if not all of Ilovaisk, then it’s half that they are being held.
    In fact, only yesterday they were sitting in a building on the southern outskirts of Ilovaisk and fought with the militia, which continues to this day. Officially, 9 were killed by the junta, in practice, as usual, much more. Reinforcements from the "Oplot", including 5 tanks, approached Ilovaisk, so the battles here will continue further, and Ilovaisk will be captured in the 8th, 9th and 10th times. Against the backdrop of the victorious reports of the official speakers, it is as symptomatic hysterical shouts from the seats that Donbass-1, which officially seems to have taken Ilovaisk, was actually withdrawn from the fighting outside the city.

    2. The "assault" of Luhansk suddenly withered away after the junta was thrown away from Khryaschevaty. Apparently, the column that had stopped by to Luhansk helped to recapture the junta from Khryaschevaty, and then went about their business to the city, after which the junta had a hysteria, as they had been telling for 5 days how they were about to take Luhansk, and the one and a half-kilometer columns drove in there. At Novosvetlovka, the fighting continued, but the track is still under threat. Most of Stanytsia Luhanska under the militia, the junta entrenched in the outskirts. There were sluggish skirmishes at night.

    3. On the Assumption and checkpoint south of Amvrosievka. So far, the main militia DRGs are operating there, there is currently no serious detour from the south. The junta simply does not have enough strength to keep the front line, so here the militias actually walk around the rear of the southern group as at home. But we must understand that all this is by no means the claw with which you can form a new boiler near Amvrosievka.

    4. As specified, the militia did indeed reach the outskirts of Lutugino last night, the capture of which can significantly increase the connectivity of New Russia and accelerate the defeat of the junta troops south of Lugansk. But the storming of the city is not yet discussed, so this tactical success should not be overestimated too much.

    5. Apparently, yesterday, in terms of irretrievable losses, was one of the bloodiest for the junta’s troops. Hot fights near Ilovaisk, Novosvetlovka, Khryaschevaty, Gorlovka and Yasinovataya, turned into hundreds of dead and wounded. Tsarev even announced the figure of more than 800 dead. 800 is not 800, but according to all sources, the losses yesterday were very significant.
    The militia, however, also lost several dozen dead and wounded yesterday. Dozens of civilians died of their own accord, destruction continued in the cities of Donbass, the monstrous explosion of a chemical products factory near Donetsk, with a many-kilometer column of smoke and the brightest fire that was visible many kilometers from the explosion site, was especially remembered.

    In general, battles in key areas continue. There are 4 days left before the Independence Day of Ukraine. There is an opinion that Donetsk and Lugansk for the holiday to take well will not work.
    1. Black
      Black 20 August 2014 13: 06
      0
      Quote: Solovyov
      There is an opinion that Donetsk and Lugansk for the holiday to take well will not work.


      Oh .. but what, I am glad from the bottom of my heart if Dill sets tasks for his huntyats "on the date" !! so faster to numbers on a pebble of granite chips.
  40. wow
    wow 20 August 2014 19: 29
    +2
    At the "ukroblokpost" at the entrance to Nikolaev there were an old T-64 tank (dug in half a tower) and an old rusty ZSU "Shilka" 23-4. So they dug them out for ten days and "threw" them to "strengthen the group of atoms" !? Only the pits remained on the site of the "battle post".
  41. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 20 August 2014 20: 31
    +2
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  42. Tornavus
    Tornavus 21 August 2014 00: 14
    0
    Hmm ... the author mixed what was and what was not. Let's just say ... not all of the above is true. Leave it to his conscience. But to refer to the battalion commander of Donbass (Semknchenko) as a source of information is not worth it - he’s been in the hospital for a couple of days ... a mortar mine’s rupture, he caught several fragments.