Italian press questioned Ukrainian statehood

Italian newspaper The print I came out with material that expressed great doubts about the fact that today there is an independent state on the world map called Ukraine. The publication says: Europe continues to call the territory in Eastern Europe an independent Ukraine, but is it fair?

At the same time, the publication notes that for many years in Europe they did not perceive Ukraine as a separate state at all. For most Europeans, Ukraine remained an integral part of Russian territory, which could be explained not so much by geographical cretinism, but by mental features. For obvious reasons, such assessments of the “independence” of representatives of certain circles in Ukraine were brought to white heat, but this did not change the essence of the matter. Today, not all Europeans understand what independent Ukraine is all about.

From the article in La Stampa:

Europe suddenly remembered the state of Ukraine when the post-Soviet bear raised its paw.

That is, when Europeans tried to more actively explain that Ukraine is not Russia ... At the same time, the same publication writes that the leaders of major European powers still do not conduct productive official negotiations with representatives of the Ukrainian authorities, but try to consult the Kremlin on Ukraine’s issues, which confirms the failure of Ukraine as a state.

Comments

[Irokez]

They are children and how you can do business with them. Always refer to parents or elders.
And for children, they only give sweets and lyuli if they are naughty.

[Koloradovatnik]

To question the existence of Ukrainian statehood is the same as to question the existence of the planet Pandora.

[Giant thought]

But was it, Ukrainian statehood?

[Koloradovatnik]

Yes. Like the planet Pandora.

[Nikolav]

If you travel from Rome to Moscow, then you can stop at Dikanka only to fulfill your natural needs.

[wow]

But here now Ukroment cars with a combination of zhovtoblakit and European Union flags on the roof are driving around "cities and villages". And on the European Union ensigns, in the middle (exactly surrounded by asterisks), flaunts "tizub" !!! ??? Something similar (a combination of flags) was observed in Georgia under Saakashvil. It ended as it should have ended.

[armageddon]

Hmm ... The West understands that the whole situation with Ukraine is a US order ... Understanding this and seeing the consequences of American influence ... Make a conclusion !!!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Everything is like a poem .. "The whole summer sang (galloped) did not have time to look back ..!

[kodxnumx]

Still, there are not stupid people in Europe, Russia went from Kiev, that is, Kievan Rus, some kind of mud went, U.K.R. pukry, but at least Cheburashka, but Russian!

[Mooh]

It quickly came. Is the press definitely not Estonian?

[APASUS]

Quote: MooH

It quickly came. Is the press definitely not Estonian?

Although honestly the statement is also strange

The Italian newspaper La Stampa came out with material expressing great doubts about the fact that today on the world map there is an independent state called Ukraine. The publication says: Europe continues to call the territory in eastern Europe an independent Ukraine, but is it fair?

You might think that Europe is an independent independent state association.
Obama said, so no one even dared to think, and now something begins to move the brain

[sinandju]

Well, right ... For thousands of years there has been no Ukraine, and even Ukrainians, and here it’s on you ... where it came from ...

[MarKon]

The Italians are sad that the ancient Ukrainians founded their empire, so they reset them

[rhd]

YES: I AM A CITIZEN OF ROME !!! - It has been proud for ... forgot (excuse me!) How many years !!! But it’s more difficult with ukraine, only 7 months about lard in Ukraine ... Swim finely .. But ambitions! Even the descendants of the gladiators from their family tree were worried!

[Scoun]

Quote: sinandju

For thousands of years there was no Ukraine

Today I talked with a friend ... I kept thinking that he was sucking and scumming Russia .... and asked him a question ...
- what is your nationality? he is responsible Ukrainian.
- I was born to him and studied where are you? he speaks in Ukraine (in Crimea)
- I told him and where you studied at the budget where you were (I just know that he is MIPT) he .. oh let's not talk about that.
- I told him how old is the word Ukraine and Ukrainian? it to me .. probably 10 centuries or maybe 40-k.

Well, I smashed a little over him .. and he told me .. and where did the word Ho.kh.l come from?
I give him a reference like this)))

Ho.h.l. - insulting name of a Ukrainian. Appeared in the 17th century through a hairstyle worn by Zaporozhye Cossacks. The word ho.kho.l in Mongolian and Turkic languages ​​means chub, ho.kho.l. in Mongolian [hєkhєl, kökul], Azerbaijani [kəkil], Uzbek [kokil], etc.

He thought and was offended)))

[Dazdranagon]

A couple of Germans are sitting in a tavern, and a couple of Ukrainians are nearby. The Germans looked at them with interest, then decided to roll up.
- Guys, are you from Russia?
“No,” they say, “we are from Ukraine.”
- And what's that?
- The country is like that. We have our own coat of arms, anthem, flag ...
“This is understandable,” the Germans say. - And where is such a country?
- Do you know Sevastopol? - Ukrainians ask.
“I know,” one says. - my grandfather fought there. But this is Russia.
- No, this is Ukraine. We have our own coat of arms, anthem, flag. Okay, how else can you explain ... Donbass know?
- We know. But this is Russia!
- No, this is Ukraine. We have our own anthem, coat of arms, flag ...
The Germans see that nothing happens. Thought: - Well then. What is your language? Russian?
- No, ours, Ukrainian.
“And what do you think?”
- Arm.
- And the leg?
- Leg.
- Hmm ... Well ***?
- Fuck.
“And it was you, because of one fight, who came up with your coat of arms, anthem, flag ??”

[enot73]

An acquaintance of mine in 2013. rested in Turkey. There were also Kharkiv citizens in the group of tourists. The verification of the group members for passports began. Rush? The guide asked when he saw Russian passports. The guide's reaction to the Ukrainians was: "what kind of country?" New Russia - Kharkiv citizens answered unanimously.

[Irokez]

Quote: enot73

New Russia - Kharkovites answered in unison.

Well done Slavs, they know what is going on. And what the Kievans would take away is the question. Probably Old Russia.

[APASUS]

Quote: enot73

An acquaintance of mine in 2013. rested in Turkey. There were also Kharkiv citizens in the group of tourists. The verification of the group members for passports began. Rush? The guide asked when he saw Russian passports. The guide's reaction to the Ukrainians was: "what kind of country?" New Russia - Kharkiv citizens answered unanimously.

Rally Paris-Dakar, just our first performance.
The border guards of Spain looked at the name of the car for a long time and could not read KAMAZ, then just a record appeared in the customs journal;
Two cars of Russian origin proceeded across the border.

[Basarev]

There is a very similar virtual state named Sealand. They also have their own emblem, anthem, flag, and even stamps are printed. But nobody is in a hurry to recognize them as a state ...

[flSergius]

I am from Belarus. A colleague went on vacation to the United States of America, lived with a friend for a month. I only heard "you Russians ...", "you Russians ..", "your way, in Russian". Well, his friend knows what Belarus is, and to others, even educated ones, tell them - the eyes are round so that the skull is broken from the inside Those who live in big cities and see the compact communities of Russians and Ukrainians perceive the differences between them as differences between the metropolitan homosexual hipsters and the Texas guoppy rednecks or kajuns (descendants of French colonists) and ordinary Anglo-Saxons. They know better from the side.

[kartalovkolya]

And there’s nothing to put, if they weren’t the state and didn’t become one, and given the robbery in the Southeast, we can directly say that Ukraine is now Gulyaypole in modern conditions, only the Old Man had more order!

[Ignatius]

Ah yes well done, Italians! It is immediately obvious that they also have problems with the desire for independence of some rich (Venice) or populated mainly by Germans (Alpine Bolzano) regions. So articles in reputable newspapers do not want to wake up famously.

[novobranets]

Wish.

Venice followed the example of the Scots and the Catalans and began to demand its independence from the Italian government. In early October, thousands of Venetians poured into the streets in a single march in support of the formation of the sovereign republic of Veneta. Http://www.italiano.ru/post/veneto

[Name]

We woke up ... Has Ukraine ever been an independent state for 23 years "nEzalEzhnosti".

[cap54]

Yes, they are for 23 years "nezalezhnosty" even their borders were not legally honored ... so what they nafig an independent state ???

[Southern Urals]

Well, at least somewhere in the EU media saw the light and began to reason adequately!

[Wolka]

Well, the Italians did not open "America" ​​here, Ukraine really lost the most important thing in its internal strife - sovereignty, and in fact it never had it in the full sense of the word, it was always under someone, at first the Rzeczpospolita robbed it and exterminated, then the protectorate and the final annexation to the Russian Empire, therefore it is not surprising that in 23 years Ukraine inflamed with hatred of Russia, forgetting its own history, completely lost its statehood, dropping to the level of African countries ...

[terra-1973]

Unfortunately, maybe fortunately already below the countries of Africa!

[Basarev]

African countries at least remember their history.

[Alexandr 2]

You can’t hide the historical truth.

[Victor-M]

Few Europe Nazi, Baltic parasites, so now also over, Ukrainian scumbags wanted. They themselves do gilyaka.

[pvv113]

on the world map there is an independent state called Ukraine

And her capital is Ulan Bator

[kostik1301]

That's cool.....................................

[Basarev]

They located Slavyansk on the Crimean coast!

[tnship2]

In place of 1000 words.

[Basarev]

This is a masterpiece!

[asar]

but they try to consult with the Kremlin on Ukraine’s issues, which confirms the failure of Ukraine as a state.

Because it is not a state, it is a territory! As, for example, there are no roads - there is a direction! Yes, dill! You cannot solve your problems without the Kremlin - just like children in a sandbox, by golly!

[Veteran of the Red Army]

The Italian newspaper La Stampa came out with material expressing great doubts about the fact that today on the world map there is an independent state called Ukraine.

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[Lady]

If there was Ukraine, only in the USSR

[comprochikos]

So it appeared as a republic only thanks to Russia, and then to Soviet power. And the state became thanks to the collapse of the USSR and our leaders, so that they were empty.

[Basarev]

Ukraine had a chance to become a real country. First of all, it should be recognized that the history of Ukraine as a state begins with the ninety-first year. But the rulers were afraid to admit it, with which the historical lie began. But they could honestly declare themselves as a young and ambitious state, after which they begin to build statehood, and not destroy it. After all, Russia was once young ...

[Veteran of the Red Army]

which confirms the failure of Ukraine as a state.

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[atos_kin]

You can also use mediocrity from our Russian word: MEDIUM, as the name for the former.

[Good cat]

I will join the Italian press.

[Vend]

Naturally. After all, Ukraine for the 23 year has not filed an application for the designation of the state border. According to international rules, the border of Russia passes near Poland, Germany and so on. So there is no such country as Ukraine. There is a strange, aggressive and awkward education.

[vigor1288]

Finally, the thought process has begun, to see the heat subsides

[Pridnestrovec]

I think that in the near future the most relevant card will be this one!

[enot73]

Again, distributing Russian lands! Just like Lube - Rasey from the Volga to the Yenisei (and where is the rest?)! Why is Crimea not Russian?

[alexandr-budarin1]

HEY!! And what kind of Crimea .. not in Russia ????

[Horst78]

He gave a lot to Ukraine, there is Little Russia

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: Pridnestrovec

I think that in the near future the most relevant card will be this one!

I am against the distribution of our lands to Hungary, Poland and others. This is all ours! And something else in Hungary, Poland ... Europeans should not make this porridge in vain! Oh, regret it!

[klavyr]

with a firm gait to Europe with its "values"

[kostik1301]

spotted and drawn exactly at 100% ........

[Eustace]

Without Russia, Ukraine’s specialization in the global economy is the supply of prostitutes and plumbers to the world market.

[terra-1973]

You see, Europe is starting to grow wiser not by leaps and bounds, in front of an amazed audience! What comes from, direct insight!

[navara399]

Yes, there simply was no such country. Indulged in the game and what came out of it. But for some reason, I don’t want them all back, rather southeastern regions. The rest is luggage.

[A1L9E4K9S]

Quote: terra-1973

What comes from, direct insight!

Whether it still will be, let’s look at their insights in the winter, we’ll hear quite different speeches from European politicians, as if Ukraine were not blamed for all sins, it will come from them, although they themselves pushed it into the abyss.

[vitamin ky]

Well Duc this is already happening - even if it is not so obvious - but all the same, - American ears stick out from under every bush and pot in Ukraine, - that's to hide them - they bother us and play off - it will only get worse, the most offensive thing is that we ourselves got into it with guano -sami !!!!! and now we will get "freedom" and "prosperity" - in full, only the dividends will receive every single one and are accustomed and unaccountable

[Sashko]

... but they try to consult with the Kremlin on Ukraine’s issues, which confirms the failure of Ukraine as a state.

Yes, the question is in the insolvency of Ukraine as a state, and the question is in the insolvency of "students in practice", as the leaders of this state show themselves to be.

[GHOST29RUS]

Rode dill

[Cynic]

Quote: GHOST29RUS

Rode dill

Not a to bob still , CE Europe _

[mig31]

The West is naive as children, in order to understand that there is genocide in Ukraine, it is necessary that war and genocide come to the West, only then they will be able to talk about human rights and all that, sorry for the brevity ....

[smershspy]

Many do not even know where Belarus is! And here is Ukraine! Save! Help! The whole world has learned that Ukraine is not Russia! All have been defended * and go ahead to defend! FUNNY! We must take and slowly join Ukraine to Russia and that’s it! Which Ukraine? Here is Russia! Great and not divisible! Our Russia!

[miv110]

For me, as a Russian person born in the USSR, Ukraine was practically not perceived by a foreign state, as in the rest of the other former republics! And what can we say about foreigners for whom all who live in the territory of the former USSR remain to this day Russian. So, that is not outlined in the article. The game of independence comes to a logical end.

[lecturer]

... which confirms the failure of Ukraine as a state.

Look at how the brains of "old Europe" were lit up, and all that was necessary was to "slam the gate" louder!

[fairmen]

They would be fools to live and not bother and they all jumped, you got freedom, no debt, no problems, no money, you don’t need to do everything ready in the USSR, the best republic was gas in every village, do not live, they pissed, sold, plundered, and the Russians were to blame they probably don't need freedom they want to be slaves

[Kosanovskaya74]

Stalin did well before the war, pushed the western borders farther west, and after the Second World War he made a strategic mistake, he had to give the whole western Ukrainian to the Poles, let them take revenge on the Volyn massacre, give independence to the Baltic states. And the USSR or the Russian Empire were intact

[Gray 43]

The closer winter is, the more sober thoughts in the EU, and even the retaliatory sanctions completely clear the mattress fog

[PoJIaHg]

Quote: Eustace

Without Russia, Ukraine’s specialization in the global economy is the supply of prostitutes and plumbers to the world market.

I don’t know how on the world market, and in Germany, plumber is a very profitable profession, which must be studied for at least 2.5 years. And what you meant is a laborer, with payment even in black not more than 4 euros / hour.

[vodolaz]

Beckoned to their rolls, and they decided that they became full members of the EU. Turkey has already stopped waiting for its time, despite the fact that a NATO member and the association agreement have long been signed.

[Hope1960]

Quote: terra-1973

You see, Europe is starting to grow wiser not by leaps and bounds, in front of an amazed audience! What comes from, direct insight!

It works the Italian journalist Juliette Chiesa! He is struggling to explain to the Italian parliamentarians the situation in Ukraine. Thank you so much for that !!!