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Ready to work for defense? How will the sanctions on the defense of Russia


From the absence of some blue cheese or fish with an exotic name, we will not die. But what will happen if the sanctions begin to beat hard on our defense industry? How Russia is able to produce weapon independently and who can be our ally in this? Will it be possible in a short time, so as not to lose the defense capability, to make the same import substitution?

The sanction war declared by Russia, judging by the scale of hostilities on the trade front, has entered an active phase. We have not yet felt serious consequences from it. Now they are only predicted, calculated and commented by experts and analysts. Kiev also announced a ban on the supply of its defense products to Russia, thereby effectively destroying its own defense industry. Will this be a serious blow to the Russian defense industry? How will it affect the state of our defense industry, which has powerful integration ties with the Ukrainian one?

On this topic, "MK" talked with the director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Ruslan Pukhov:

“We must clearly distinguish between the two types of restrictions that our country will face: Western sanctions and the Ukrainian embargo on the supply of military-technical products, which was formally introduced by the decisions of President Poroshenko.

The Kiev embargo will have medium-term consequences that will ultimately prove positive for the Russian engineering industry and extremely destructive for the Ukrainian economy.

- But we will not feel this positive effect soon. What to do now? You can’t go far away and fly away only on talks about import substitution. It is required now to restructure production.

- Yes, for three to five years, Russia will face serious difficulties in implementing the State Defense Order. After all, now we are receiving from Ukraine about 3000 items of goods as part of the state defense order. For production only tanks T-90S uses almost two dozen components of Ukrainian production. But Russian industry can replace any products that are now produced in Ukraine. It is a matter of money, time and organization.

At the same time, the available cash reserves of repair kits, for example, on helicopter engines will minimize the negative consequences of the Ukrainian embargo. And the Ukrainian enterprises themselves will do everything possible to circumvent the ban.

Another thing is that within the framework of the existing state-monopoly model of the economy in Russia, this process of import substitution itself will be extremely costly and possibly longer than it seems now.

A lot of people and enterprises will now rush to the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Industry and Trade with shouts: "Give me a million, give a million for import substitution." The price tag on the creation of new industries will most likely be very inhuman, because the war will write off everything - the circumstances of force majeure. The cost of new products, at least at first, will be several times higher than similar Ukrainian ones. Such examples already existed when the price for one of the types of products after the organization of their production in Rybinsk was five times higher than the analogues produced at the Zaporozhye enterprise Motor Sich.

- In our defense industry, under the slogan of import substitution of components from Ukraine, the state budget has been “sawing” for years. Recently, they shouted: “Ukraine is going to NATO! Give money, and we will do everything we bought in Ukraine ourselves. ” Gave money. But when they ran out, it suddenly turned out that in Ukraine it was better and cheaper to buy components. And about NATO immediately forgotten. Even they themselves began to buy weapons there.

- We have been talking about import substitution of Ukrainian products for a long time. The presence of colossal political risks in relations with Ukraine became clear as early as 2004, when Viktor Yushchenko came to power in this country as a result of the Orange Revolution. Even then, the need to implement import substitution programs became obvious, if not for the entire product range, then at least for the most key positions, primarily for helicopter and ship engines.

In the "fat" years - from 2004-th to 2008-th - it was quite possible. But neither the state, which at that time spent so much effort and money on the expropriation of private assets in the defense industry, nor the industry itself could not or did not want to. And this speaks of the quality of government in the country in general and the quality of industrial policy in particular.

- Our industrial policy can repel any supplier. Even Ukrainian, which is completely dependent on the Russian market. But he is forced to look for markets on the side.

“No one should have any illusions here - Ukrainian engineering products are needed mainly by Russia and a little more by China and India.” The loss of the Russian market will have fatal consequences for this sector of the Ukrainian national economy. And, as it seems to me, this time, unlike 2004 of the year, the Rubicon was crossed, and the process of import substitution of Ukrainian products in Russia is given an irreversible dynamics.

Even if the crisis in the east of Ukraine is resolved, and Russian-Ukrainian relations are normalized, the officials responsible for fulfilling the state defense order have now experienced such a psychological shock that the decisions taken to replace Ukrainian products will be implemented regardless of the political situation.

In this sense, the only long-term survival strategy for generals of the majority of Ukrainian defense industry enterprises is strong support for the Novorossiysk political project. Only within the framework of a single economic and defense-industrial space with Russia, which can take place only with Novorossia, is it possible not only survival, but also development of the industry of the southeast.

As part of the chimerical education, which is a post-Soviet Ukraine, the elimination of industry, the simplification and primitivization of the political and social landscape of the south-eastern regions are inevitable. Without Russia, Ukraine’s specialization in the world economy is the supply of prostitutes and plumbers to the world market.

- But we ourselves do not balance on the edge of world technical progress. And if, with the help of sanctions, we are also excommunicated from advanced Western technologies, our future may turn out to be unenviable ...

- The consequences of Western sanctions will be much deeper and more lasting than some people think. I would say that if the Ukrainian crisis is not settled in one way or another in the next three to four months, tectonic shifts in political, economic and everyday life are waiting for us.

The entire post-Soviet economic policy was built on the basis of the fact that Russia is an open economy, the level of integration of which into the world economy is gradually increasing. Modernization of the country and the economy was conceived as a consistent increase in access to Western technologies (acquired through oil and gas rents) and Western markets.

All this is in the past. We are no longer alone, we are isolated.

- Isn't it too early about isolation? It sounds scary ...

- Since this is already a given, you should not be afraid of this word. Russia's answer can be twofold.

Firstly, this is a reorientation to the historically more familiar for us mobilization methods of modernization, the most striking historical examples of which were the Petrine and Bolshevik modernization.

Secondly, it is the transfer of economic activity from the European to the Asian part of the country and a sharp increase in political and economic ties with China and other growing non-Western centers of power.

Crouching under its overlord, the United States, denying Russia its natural right to eliminate the geopolitical consequences of the national catastrophe of the 1991 of the year, senile Europe will only accelerate its transformation into a museum of history.

- In order, as you say, to carry out modernization by “mobilization methods”, bright personalities are required: production organizers, engineers, designers. We have the same “effective managers”.

- Activation of mobilization tools will require profound changes in domestic policy, and above all - a sharp increase in the level of responsibility of the political and economic elite. At one time, in an interview with your own newspaper, I allowed myself to throw the phrase: "The invigorating frosty freshness of 1937 of the year is what the country needs today." What caused the predictable excitement of liberal publicists. But few of them realized that it was not about resuming mass repressions, but about a sharp increase in the level of responsibility of the current relaxed and indifferent elite and a radical increase in the efficiency of the state apparatus. But then, one and a half or two years ago, it was just a tough phrase thrown into polemic, but today it is a severe imperative.

- In anticipation of a "radical increase in the efficiency of the state apparatus," we will still have to live in isolation for some time. We have already lost the habit of it. It turns out that you need to get used to the "hardship and deprivation"?

- I observed two countries and two societies living under conditions of perennial Western sanctions: Iraq of the 2002 model of the year and Iran of the 2009 model.

Iraq is a completely ravaged country, a demoralized, culturally and mentally degraded population. It seems that the country froze in the middle of 70's. Saddam came to power, the war began with Iran - and as if the hands of the clock froze: economic and social development stopped.

Completely different picture in Iran. It is evident that people live is not rich, but there are no beggars and even no poor ones. High level of literacy, excellent awareness of events in the world and the country, openness in discussing Iranian and world problems, decent infrastructure. The most prestigious professions are not PR and political consultants, but you will not believe, a doctor and an engineer at the Isfahan aircraft factory.

That is, sanctions and isolation can cripple the country, and, on the contrary, can be a stimulus for its development. Everything depends on the size of the economy, the competence of the political leadership, the strength of cultural and civilizational traditions, the determination of the people themselves to preserve their historical subjectness. Russia has all the prerequisites for sanctions to become just an incentive for a new breakthrough, not a collapse.

- It sounds optimistic ... Only, if I recall the Isfahan aircraft factory, I have a small clarification: now there are Ukrainian An-140 airplanes being mass-produced there. I emphasize: Ukrainian, and not Russian at all! We, meanwhile, are flying exclusively on Boeing and Airbus. States want us to not fly at all, and we will not. And they want, as it is now, to sell, to “Dobrolet” another 16 “Boeing 737-800”, and we will again find ourselves on their hook.

- I hope that the incident with Dobrolet will also have strategic long-term consequences. The West has shown that it can simultaneously land the entire Russian commercial Aviation.

Finally, we all saw with our own eyes the entire squalor of the policies of airlines targeting the purchase of foreign aircraft, and all the government's short-sightedness that allowed the Russian domestic passenger aircraft market to be given to foreigners.

By the way, here is a great example of economic collaboration. It is the top management of state-owned and privately owned airline owners (most of which are registered offshore) that is an excellent illustration of how national interests were brought in favor of short-term profit. It is Russian airlines, and not Pogosyan - the head of the UAC, as the press often likes to write, including your newspaper, killed the projects Tu-334 and Tu-204.

- Everybody tried: both airlines and UAC ...

- ... Now the danger of technological dependence in the field of commercial aircraft is obvious to all. It is better to have a little less sophisticated, but own planes, than to suddenly face the need of the whole country to change trains. Although Railways will probably not mind.

- Well, where is the way out? What is the alternative?

- China. We are used to seeing China as a factory of cheap, low-quality products, but this has not been the case for a long time. The volume of industrial production in China exceeds industrial production in the United States, although the US economy still surpasses the Chinese in size. But this is not for long.

The PRC ranks third in the number of scientific articles published in peer-reviewed scientific journals after the EU and the USA - the PRC accounted for 11% of their total number in the world, and in 2013, China’s share increased to 15%. It is already possible to name a number of sectors of the PRC industry, cooperation with which will protect the Russian defense industry and civilian high-tech industries from the already introduced and expected in the future large-scale sanctions from the United States and its satellites.

- For example?

- This is microelectronics, in particular, the production of element base, surveillance and reconnaissance systems, unmanned aerial vehicles. Through China, you can get high-tech machining centers, components for thermal imaging sights. To this should be added the presence of the PRC of the giant-scale scientific and technical intelligence services in the composition of the Ministry of State Security, the Ministry of Industry and Information, the General Staff of the People’s Liberation Army of China.

The successful abduction in 2009 – 2010 of a terabyte of information from the information networks of firms participating in a consortium to create a fifth-generation fighter F-35 shows that China is able to extract sensitive information from Western sources.

- Do you think our scientific and technical intelligence will also help circumvent sanctions?

- Only those who have watched Stirlitz films too much and played spies as a child in their childhood believe in the omnipotence of intelligence services. Exploration can produce technical solutions, but they are useless if there is no appropriate technological base to reproduce them.

Russia is lagging behind the West, not because we have no talented engineers and designers, but because it takes hundreds of billions of euros to close the technological gap and two or three decades is at best.

In addition, there was still a problem in the USSR when the economy was simply not able to use the information and knowledge obtained by intelligence. There simply were no recipients or a connection was broken, the channel for transmitting the necessary information to industry or agriculture. Now with this even harder. So espionage will not help us. We have to work ourselves.
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  1. Yellow white
    Yellow white 19 August 2014 14: 55
    +2
    Russia, its people, can do anything if they see a real threat to statehood and life!
    Yes, we are lagging behind, and much is lacking in the defense industry complex, let us recall 1941, how during the first months of the war, military factories were transported to the Urals and Siberia!
    How open-air machines began to work and products went to the front!
    .... happen to this again ... everything will happen again .... hi
    1. Koloradovatnik
      Koloradovatnik 19 August 2014 15: 03
      +12
      Time is not right. People are not the same. The leadership is not that. And besides, most of the Russian defense industry enterprises are already located in Siberia and the Far East, well, still in the Urals and in the Volga region.
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 20 August 2014 01: 19
        +2
        Quote: Colorado
        Time is not right. People are not the same. The leadership is not that. And besides, most of the Russian defense industry enterprises are already located in Siberia and the Far East, well, still in the Urals and in the Volga region.

        I will say more, TECHNOLOGIES are not the same, microcircuits with nanotransistors on a machine under the open sky can not be planed.
    2. Underwood
      Underwood 19 August 2014 15: 26
      +5
      Quote: Black and White
      .... happen to this again ... everything will happen again ...

      yeah, especially memes technology in the open.
    3. Volozhanin
      Volozhanin 19 August 2014 16: 22
      +1
      It will not happen again, and you know why.
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 19 August 2014 17: 28
      +3
      Quote: Black and White
      remember 1941, during the first months of the war, military factories were transported to the Urals and Siberia!

      there is nothing to transport ... foundations from the defense industry throughout ...
      Quote: Black and White
      .to happen again ... everything will happen again ..

      read above ... three enterprises in Tagil, Kovrov and Yekaterinburg do not count, these miraculously survived Soviet enterprises.
    5. 23 region
      23 region 19 August 2014 22: 21
      +1
      Quote: Black and White
      How open-air machines began to work and products went to the front!

      Back in the late 30s, they laid the foundation for all these plants, brought energy, railways, etc. So you need to prepare in advance, and not wait for a roasted rooster
  2. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 19 August 2014 14: 56
    +12
    Perhaps sanctions will be the engine that will accelerate the development of their own technologies and industries. We simply must be independent of Our pseudo friends from the West.
    1. armageddon
      armageddon 19 August 2014 15: 15
      +1
      Need to believe in yourself !!! Without faith, the full paragraph comes !!! I think the West will once again be amazed at the success of Russia !!!
      1. ya.seliwerstov2013
        ya.seliwerstov2013 19 August 2014 16: 38
        +1
        The West will be amazed and defeated. It cannot be otherwise! hi
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 19 August 2014 17: 36
          +5
          Quote: ya.seliwerstov2013
          The West will be amazed and defeated. It cannot be otherwise! hi

          otherwise, yes, it can’t be, but again the price will be what? They stole and divided for 20 years, and suddenly it turned out that other people's uncles could take it too! and now frantically trying to figure out how to get out of this situation ... hi
  3. Giant thought
    Giant thought 19 August 2014 14: 59
    +3
    So we need to recreate the technological base that we had in the old days, but with modern filling. Everything was destroyed by our liberals when they paid with mattresses, but no one has yet been punished for their deeds. And now all tryndim about self-sufficiency, for the state is simply insulting.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 19 August 2014 15: 13
      +8
      Quote: Thought Giant
      but with a modern filling.
      To do this, you need to start with the landing of Chubais, together with the board of directors of Rossnano.
      1. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 19 August 2014 15: 22
        +4
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        To do this, you need to start with the landing of Chubais, together with the board of directors of Rossnano.

        Not just "landing", but with complete confiscation.
      2. Underwood
        Underwood 19 August 2014 15: 29
        +7
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        To do this, you need to start with the landing of Chubais, together with the board of directors of Rossnano

        well, plant and what? besides short-term satisfaction of the masses with the fact of planting, will something be added? Will technology come about? Confiscated from Chubais's desk?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 19 August 2014 15: 42
          +1
          Quote: Underwood
          well, plant and what? besides short-term satisfaction of the masses with the fact of planting, will something be added?
          Decided to troll again? laughing
          A pretender will appear, a belief will appear that the words of our government do not diverge from deeds.
          Quote: Underwood
          Will technology come about?
          You doubt the presence of bright goals in Russia? With such effective managers as Chubais, not a single bright head will find a realization. But if s / n Chubais is allowed to finance research departments, the chance to get a result will increase unequivocally.
          1. Underwood
            Underwood 19 August 2014 15: 55
            +6
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Decided to troll again?

            explain, please, what is trolling in?
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            A pretender will appear, a belief will appear that the words of our government do not diverge from deeds.

            and between the metaphysical substance "belief in what .." and directly a technological breakthrough will there be something? Or is faith enough?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 19 August 2014 16: 04
              +2
              Quote: Underwood
              What is trolling?

              In history. I’m not vindictive, just a good memory (low prior and shooting at Tverskaya). laughing
              Quote: Underwood
              and between the metaphysical substance "belief in what .." and directly a technological breakthrough will there be something? Or is faith enough?
              The people accomplished the most heroic deeds and jerks precisely because of faith in the king and the fatherland. The role of the king at the time was performed by Stalin, the fatherland did not change with us. Enthusiasm for grandmas is difficult to buy, faith and understanding of the goals must play the first role, and grandmas will be secondary. But for this we need examples, and now the image of the tsar and the image of the fatherland are perceived separately, and the landing of Chubais will bring these two concepts closer in people's hearts.
              1. Zuborez
                Zuborez 19 August 2014 16: 33
                +3
                , and Chubais’s landing will bring these two concepts closer together in people's souls.
                +100500
                And let my voucher be found, a female dog.
              2. skeptic2999
                skeptic2999 19 August 2014 21: 55
                +1
                And the technology gap will be quickly eliminated, yes. I believe in Enthusiasm with a Kyle and a wheelbarrow, a trowel and a shovel. In the enthusiasm with microelectronics, nanotechnology and new communication systems (including for the battlefield) - sorry, I do not believe.
              3. Zuborez
                Zuborez 20 August 2014 00: 02
                0
                About Chubais offset)), the second time I read, am
        2. Dean
          Dean 19 August 2014 15: 44
          +1
          No, technology will not appear. But there will be people who believe that finally something is really changing in the country. And not only Dima says about innovation
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 19 August 2014 15: 55
            +2
            Quote: Dean
            No, technology will not appear.

            Immediately, of course, they won’t appear, technology is a gain. But if they are behind, it’s not a sin to take advantage of strangers; no one has canceled economic and technical espionage. The Chinese are not shy, but are we red? Chubais is red, let him be shy, but only in the cell. When in the 90s the whole world stole our technologies, it was normal, now it's time to turn the rink in the other direction. hi
          2. saag
            saag 19 August 2014 18: 28
            +1
            Quote: Dean
            But there will be people who believe that finally something is really changing in the country

            They just think that this is another redistribution of influence, property, etc.
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 19 August 2014 17: 37
        +4
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Thought Giant
        but with a modern filling.
        To do this, you need to start with the landing of Chubais, together with the board of directors of Rossnano.

        then you will have to rehabilitate Colonel Kvachkov ... and this is not "comme il faut" for the authorities.
    2. skeptic2999
      skeptic2999 19 August 2014 21: 50
      +2
      The factories were destroyed by the liberals, they bought up pieces of state. property, they live on the handouts of the West, they are ... How long have the real liberals like Gaidar been in power. And what is the role of the red directors, bankrupt their enterprises and quickly seized them. And the Komsomol elite of the perestroika era, which became micro- and macro-oligarchs in the era of collateral auctions. Is Chubais a liberal? he can call himself what he wants, he can fantasize with liberal ideas. But unlike the Gaidar team, he remained in power (and with money) under all presidents and prime ministers. The liberals are to blame. This mantra no longer works.
    3. Zuborez
      Zuborez 19 August 2014 23: 54
      0
      . And now it's all tryndim about self-sufficiency,

      Who is tryndit?
  4. Koloradovatnik
    Koloradovatnik 19 August 2014 14: 59
    +4
    And people are also needed. PROFESSIONALS OF THEIR BUSINESS. Until we have a normal education system focused not on the production of "effective managers" and "qualified consumers", but on the production of SPECIALISTS and PATRIOTS, we can not even dream of ANY technological breakthrough.
    1. saag
      saag 19 August 2014 18: 30
      +3
      Quote: Colorado
      Until we have a normal education system focused not on the production of "effective managers" and "qualified consumers", but on the production of SPECIALISTS and PATRIOTS


      Will there be a new specialization in universities - "Patriot" 00001?
      1. 23 region
        23 region 19 August 2014 22: 28
        +1
        Quote: saag
        Will there be a new specialization in universities - "Patriot" 00001?

        Has already. Rather it was "Walking Together", now they have already reached ... to "United Russia"
  5. Dezinto
    Dezinto 19 August 2014 15: 05
    +4
    "Iraq is a completely devastated country, a demoralized, culturally and mentally degraded population. It seems that the country froze in the mid-70s. Saddam came to power, a war with Iran began - and it was as if the hands of a clock froze: economic and social development stopped."

    Well, now you can say the same thing or prophesy to Ukraine. The country will just freeze in time and become mired in cruelty. No wonder - the Americans have worked.
  6. asar
    asar 19 August 2014 15: 06
    +4
    No time to chew snot! This "incident" should have been thought of much earlier! Everything has been known for a long time:
    Experts in 2008 warned the US administration of the possibility of a surge in violence and a split in Ukraine due to US policy. Such information is contained in a closed report by US Under Secretary of State William Burns.
    The document was posted on May 13 on the WikiLeaks website and dated February 1, 2008. The report deals with the risks associated with expanding the zone of influence of NATO in the eastern direction and the possible admission to the ranks of the alliance of Ukraine and Georgia.

    Burns pointed out that the Russian side is concerned about the ambiguity of opinions in Ukraine regarding the prospects of the country's accession to NATO. Most of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine opposes the country's joining the alliance, the report states, which can lead not only to its split, but also to a civil war.


    6 (!!!) years have passed! Our leadership was aware of (reports of the SVR, GRU, Foreign Ministry)! Why only now, when the "roast cock has pecked" ?!
    We can stand it, we can stand it! But at what cost ?!
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 19 August 2014 16: 22
      -1
      Quote: asar
      6 (!!!) years have passed! Our leadership was aware of (reports of the SVR, GRU, Foreign Ministry)! Why only now, when the "roast cock has pecked" ?!

      Yes, because right now he pecked, and not when he should have.
      Events in Ukraine were not planned at the beginning of 2014, but we were not penalized here either - we squeezed Crimea.
      Even the great predictors predict 80% -90% correctly, or even less, and you suggest reacting to a document posted on May 13 on the WikiLeaks website and dated February 1, 2008 (what if it is a provocation or a disinformation).
      Respond to the situation with an eye to the past and a look into the future.
    2. andj61
      andj61 19 August 2014 16: 26
      0
      Yes, our management was up to date and did little.
      So again, two eternal Russian questions arise:
      1. Who is to blame?
      2. What to do?
      Or maybe the search for the guilty parties should be left to the relevant competent authorities, and yet they themselves will begin to work on solving urgent and important problems for the country?
  7. Berrick
    Berrick 19 August 2014 15: 07
    +4
    I think it is necessary to introduce tight control over all stages: from the development of drawings to the manufacture of parts at the factory. For each item, attach a curator with a full report to the responsible services. Enter a six-day period and switch to emergency mode at the enterprises responsible for the production of import-substituting parts. As it was under Andropov. And already start shooting for corruption and sabotage.
    1. Underwood
      Underwood 19 August 2014 15: 36
      +2
      Quote: Berrik
      I think it is necessary to introduce tight control over all stages: from the development of drawings to the manufacture of parts at the factory. For each item, attach a curator with a full report to the responsible services. Enter a six-day period and switch to emergency mode at the enterprises responsible for the production of import-substituting parts. As it was under Andropov. And already start shooting for corruption and sabotage.

      You, comrade, think in terms of the "sharashkas" of the 30s. Maybe, let's learn from S. Korea's experience?
      1. Zuborez
        Zuborez 19 August 2014 16: 52
        0
        On their 75th anniversary there was an excellent article by a former scientific editor in "technology-youth".
        Like "How I spent my time in the sharashka".
        The technical intelligentsia is also prone to laziness, etc. The moral of his article is simple: "I did the job, to freedom with a clear conscience."
        And "sharashka" is the know-how of the Americans.
        There was such an aircraft engine - "Liberty" (domestic M5 license). Designed and manufactured in a month, and immediately put into series at different factories.
    2. Zuborez
      Zuborez 19 August 2014 16: 29
      +2
      Everything is simpler: "Violation of the State Standard of the SSR is prosecuted by law." And control (it's more difficult)).
      Immediately, and drawings will become drawings, and metal to metal,
      and details by details. Products can begin to assemble without undue physical and mental effort.
      This, of course, will not solve all the problems, but the efficiency will increase.

      We’ve gotten to the point that I’m telling a freshly trained diploma design engineer, a graduate of the Bauman Institute (Special Engineering) about tolerances and landings.
      He says he attended classes regularly, but forgot.

      But the emergency mode will no longer work. Kozhugetovich turned into an army soldier, and Bruce Willis is far away)).
    3. saag
      saag 19 August 2014 18: 32
      +1
      people will send this six-day forest and go to work in a less nervous structure
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 August 2014 18: 42
        -1
        Poor you know our people. At least seven days, the main thing. to pay money.
  8. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 19 August 2014 15: 10
    0
    VOMZ in Vologda is now stuffing into Sosna-U, for the T-72B3, a French 2nd generation Catherine-FC camera from Tomcon-CSF.
    How is it possible to replace this frog matrix?
    Just wondering, can someone keep track of new developments ...

    Photo: Sosna-U thermal imager control unit.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 August 2014 15: 26
      +4
      "Sosna-U" is a product of the Belarusian "Peleng". They are not subject to sanctions.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 19 August 2014 15: 33
        +4
        Quote: Spade
        "Sosna-U" is a product of the Belarusian "Peleng". They are not subject to sanctions.

        Ага.
        Well, then through the Old Man, as before.
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 19 August 2014 17: 30
          +1
          Ага.
          Well, then through the Old Man, as before.

          This is how lucky. There is such a thing - "End User Declaration"
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 19 August 2014 18: 27
            0
            Lucky. For the capitalist, gain is more important.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 19 August 2014 19: 05
              0
              Quote: Spade
              For the capitalist, gain is more important.

              Your phrase against the background of the imposition of sanctions against Russia is not relevant.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 19 August 2014 20: 06
                +1
                Against the background of the Mistrals, my phrase is absolutely relevant.
  9. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 19 August 2014 15: 12
    +1
    And to ask the performers more strictly for the used funds, I received money for production, use it for the benefit of production, cut it, answer according to the law of wartime, the situation in the world makes us do this and the liberal government has enough to indulge the plunders of the people's money, it's time to take them for an udder and ask in full.
  10. Andof odessa
    Andof odessa 19 August 2014 15: 18
    +1
    It is necessary to introduce 5 summer plans for strategic enterprises and 5 summer hard labor for their managers for not fulfilling plans and stealing state property with confiscation. And now to demonstrate that the state has no untouchables. sending to the Kolyma resort of Chubais and Serdyukov, etc.
  11. cumastra1
    cumastra1 19 August 2014 15: 28
    +2
    There is a Chinese version of the development of high technology - to steal and copy. And all sorts of patents on the drum.
    1. Underwood
      Underwood 19 August 2014 15: 38
      +2
      Quote: cumastra1
      There is a Chinese version of the development of high technology - to steal and copy. And all sorts of patents on the drum.

      actually, this is our experience, creatively developed by the Chinese comrades.
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 19 August 2014 16: 27
        +1
        Quote: Underwood
        actually, this is our experience, creatively developed by the Chinese comrades.

        Actually, it’s a world experience to watch how they are doing in the world and to do their own, but improved or at least repeat. Believe me, all competitors monitor and spy on each other, and they all know this because they file all kinds of patents in order to at least protect and protect their developments, but if necessary, especially China spits on these patents.
        1. Underwood
          Underwood 19 August 2014 16: 52
          +1
          Quote: Irokez
          Actually, it’s a world experience to watch how they are doing in the world and to do their own, but improved or at least repeat.

          Actually, the world experience (if we talk about civilized norms) is the acquisition of licenses, etc., and industrial espionage and pirated reproduction is, to put it mildly, censured. But as they say, all means are good. There, Superfortress copied without bothering with the ethical side of the issue.
          1. Irokez
            Irokez 19 August 2014 17: 57
            0
            And you remember the Soviet Union when you came on a business trip and asked how you are doing here and how we are doing it without any secrets, and right now there is competition and secrets.
            Therefore, my conclusion is that all these patents and licenses from the evil one in order to do something and then do nothing (bourgeois approach), but only to sell and live licenses on the patent.
            The global law on inventions and patents must be changed to greater openness and a minimum period for holding a patent.
  12. Metlik
    Metlik 19 August 2014 15: 28
    +2
    "Iraq is a completely devastated country, a demoralized, culturally and mentally degraded population. It seems that the country froze in the mid-70s. Saddam came to power, a war with Iran began - and it was as if the hands of a clock froze: economic and social development stopped.

    The picture is completely different in Iran. It can be seen that people do not live well, but there are no beggars or even simply poor people. High literacy level, excellent awareness of events in the world and the country, openness in discussing Iranian and world problems, decent infrastructure. The most prestigious professions are not a PR man and a political strategist, but, you will not believe, a doctor and an engineer at the Isfahan aircraft plant. "

    Now we are actively throwing the idea of ​​the king. The West needs us to follow the path of Iraq, a dictatorship that will lead the country to stagnation and defeat.

    At the same time, Iran’s example shows that a truly democratic state is invulnerable to pressure and sanctions.
  13. shitovmg
    shitovmg 19 August 2014 15: 33
    +1
    A completely different picture in Iran. It can be seen that people do not live well, but there are no beggars or even just poor people.
    Lucky Iranians! And here we have very poor and only a little poor. The Russian outback is dying. Regional and district centers like earth and sky, like black and white .., shine and poverty!
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 19 August 2014 18: 52
      0
      I don’t know if the Iranians are lucky.
      One of the poorest countries in the world (71-80 place in the world in terms of living standards).
      80% of exports are oil and oil products. Inflation 30%. All leading
      scientists have emigrated. Islamic revolution completely threw the country
      from technological progress. Lost almost a million people in the war
      with neighboring Iraq.
  14. Ayujak
    Ayujak 19 August 2014 15: 38
    0
    Yes, the person in the article said everything correctly. It is unfortunate that the aircraft industry was so leaked. Such aircraft were built. After all, everything was: both the short-range Yak-40, An-24, and the middle-range Tu-134, Tu-154, and the long-range Il-62, Il-86. If instead of a Superjet to develop a truly Russian aircraft, or rather a series of several models like the Airbus-318/319/320/321, then this is already half the battle. Or increase your purchase of Embraer. Great planes. With Embraer, Dobrolet would fly today.
    1. Zuborez
      Zuborez 19 August 2014 16: 41
      +1
      Ask Deripaska where the Saratov aircraft factory has gone.
      Together with airplanes.
      "Dobrolet would fly with Embraer today."
      Don Pedro will be happy. Ilyushintsy is not very. Il114 google.
  15. shower
    shower 19 August 2014 15: 40
    0
    Like it or not, how difficult it would not be, turn inside out and the defense should be diversified.
  16. Zuborez
    Zuborez 19 August 2014 16: 02
    +4
    And why did they break a rare vidyuha. I have not seen such 15 years.
    But according to the article, this is not so critical. The NATO specialists did not sell us much technology, and buying abroad finished products does not help much to develop their own production.
    On helicopter engines for export orders, it seems, we agreed.
    They cheat Klimov near St. Petersburg, they scare TV3-117VM (VK) for a second year in millennial circulation. Well, not in Leningrad, they’ll launch him in Tushino (they’ve been trying for ten years).
    In microelectronics, Zelenograd already does a lot of things that they did not do before, just do not tell.
    A familiar technologist from the Dux plant (Kommunar) was dismissed because of Ukraine. Old products are produced, but the new ones were part of the units with unmerged (tm). Plus, the plant rents its territory from Mr Prokhorov (nothing personal, the center of Moscow ).
    That's what will happen to the Superjet, there is a great secret.
    In general, IMHO, nothing new. We create difficulties and heroically overcome them. The main "hardships and deprivations" are distributed evenly.
    As for the "high-performance machining centers" made in China, the author is mistaken. They are and are produced, but in Taiwan.
    But the bourgeoisie will sell it anyway. They sold it during the Union, and now even more so.
    Especially since so many paths bypassed trampled since 1918. Soon we will celebrate a century of sanctions)).
    PS: Rosatom is past the sanctions. They are afraid)). "Our Soviet peaceful atom is cursing the whole of Europe."
  17. Ev58
    Ev58 19 August 2014 16: 09
    +1
    Undoubtedly, a politician should be engaged in politics, not circuitry or sewing shoes. He does not need to know all the intricacies of a particular profession, but he should not only be "in the know," but also know, understand the needs of the industries that support the country's economy and defense capability. In Soviet times, there were many, I don’t argue, there were too many branch ministries, however, these ministries were people who knew the industry firsthand. I do not call for a return with outdated management schemes and structures, but I ask, if possible, to understand that in order to make a competent decision that has strategically important, global for the economy and long-term consequences, you need not just consultants, but people who know the subtleties of one or another industry. Who hindered the development of domestic industry, create and build non-point "exemplary" enterprises, not to follow someone else's trail, repeating or reproducing existing technologies, but to rely on the development, research and creation of new technologies, the construction of new production lines, based on the application of the latest achievements of science and technology. A circuit engineer, for example, must develop a circuit that provides the required characteristics specified in the TOR. Anyone who has come across the design, development and testing of equipment is familiar with the "framework" of the MOS list. What should the circuitry do if the construction of equipment within the limits of the MOS is impossible for the simple reason that there are no domestic analogues? And the reproduced analogs, as a rule, have characteristics worse than the prototype. You need to start with the foundation - then the whole building will be durable, reliable and strong. Science + technology + modern production facilities = success for anyone, not just the aircraft industry.
    1. Zuborez
      Zuborez 19 August 2014 17: 20
      +2
      So the ministries are all in place, with the ministers. And there are chapters.
      "You have no money? -No, there is money, we have no mind." (C)
      This is how FTPs are embodied in life.

      Although PZ (military representatives) after the stool returned.
      But if they can now "bend", I don't know. 10 years ago, a retiree stopped the plant for a week, according to the governing documents.
      Cognac healed a veteran's mental trauma, let a tear)). "Technological discipline is the basis of production."
      And quality control with metrologists is somehow loose recently.
      Oh, it’s painful)).

      And in general, despite 30 years of efforts: "But they fly."
      To spite the enemies))).
    2. military
      military 20 August 2014 09: 50
      0
      Quote: ev58
      What to do circuitry if the construction of equipment within the limits of the MOS is impossible for the simple reason of the lack of domestic analogues? And reproduced analogues, as a rule, have characteristics worse than the prototype.

      in light of this, I would like to heartily spit in the physiognomy of that very bureaucrat ((he is! ... he, like a gopher, cannot but exist! ...), who smartly cheerfully reported on the President’s report on the absence of serious problems in the field of import substitution ERI IP and industry readiness, as soon as possible with minimal financial investment, to ensure the production of arms and military equipment on the domestic component base ...
      this hoopoe for the state will be worse than any saboteur! ...
  18. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 19 August 2014 16: 12
    0
    Are there really people who believe that in our ICBMs are processors based on iPhones?
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 19 August 2014 16: 36
      +4
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      Are there really people who believe that in our ICBMs are processors based on iPhones?

      Only our majors and iPhones think this. Our electronics in the military is no worse than the western one in terms of software for sure, but the fact that a little more mikruhi with a slightly higher current consumption is real nonsense. Even the old 286 percent will work and will confidently lead a pig to its homeland.
      "The devil is not so terrible as he is painted." "The eyes are afraid, but the hands are doing." We always gave diarrhea to everyone, and it was just the moment to give someone on the nose.
      I assure you that for energy and nature resources there will be many offers all sorts of lipsticks to supply us.
  19. pahom54
    pahom54 19 August 2014 16: 14
    0
    Although there is no Gosplan, a decision is needed at the level of the country's Security Council, in which to determine:
    - what and in what volumes is necessary for the military-industrial complex in the first place;
    - What technical capabilities are there and which need to be created;
    - how to solve this problem organizationally;
    - in the penultimate turn - what funds are needed for this;
    - and last but not least - WHERE to take these funds. With a political desire, there will be mechanisms for finding these funds.
    A body like the State Planning Commission is needed, clearly defined tasks are needed and priorities are identified, and monitoring of the implementation of plans for import substitution of necessary products is necessary.
    All this should be accompanied by strict state policy and control.
    Otherwise, everything will result in idle talk, and the result may be equal to a state disaster.
    That's something like ...
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 19 August 2014 16: 27
      0
      With all due respect, but now all of your reasoning is just ridiculous to read to me. Perhaps you think that the country was left without a leadership, an army without control? Which organ do we need? No organs, just a direct connection between the manufacturer and the army. You hope that they are aware that most component suppliers are no longer state owned. enterprises ... Why produce useless organizations? Unless, of course, the taxpayers' money is pitiful, even an analogue of a planned economy can be created, but it will not work.
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 19 August 2014 16: 41
        0
        I hope that Rogozin will resolve everything and taxi out.
      2. Zuborez
        Zuborez 19 August 2014 17: 32
        0
        this is no longer state. enterprises ...
        There you will understand horseradish, not state.
        It was FSUE, went bankrupt.
        But "Homeland is in danger" (a unique piece of iron) is already OJSC)).

        The main thing is the economic department.
        The production of T50 is economically inexpedient. It must be done. ((C) EO OKB "Sukhoi"). And in the first department, a hundred people languish, and without fantasies. So many awards and other gingerbread are wandering around the territory))).
    2. military
      military 20 August 2014 10: 11
      0
      Quote: pahom54
      Otherwise, everything will result in idle talk, and the result may be equal to a state disaster.

      catastrophe, of course, will not happen ... but in idle talk, in terms of import substitution for domestic counterparts, as usual, will pour out ... IMHO ...
      when the scale of the problem is analyzed, the financial needs are calculated and the timing of the development and serial development of domestic analogs of the imported electronic component base, the idea will be blown away ... while "remembering" about a friendly neighbor (PRC) and "replacement" will be reduced to a transition from ERI IP of American, Japanese and European production to the mass use of the component base "Foreign Supplier XX" ...
      then, at the same time, they will bury all the "schedules for accelerated import substitution", which today "in pursuance of the President's instructions" are sweating by the sweat of their brows trying to arrange industrial enterprises in the form of a giant table of 26 columns brought down from above ...
  20. Gomel
    Gomel 19 August 2014 17: 09
    +2
    Most liked the last phrase:
    We must work for ourselves.
  21. Alex_good
    Alex_good 19 August 2014 17: 55
    +1
    we have the most powerful scientific potential. genetically. but we are naive and deceive us and do not allow him to develop. if we give the younger generation everything necessary for development and press the sixth column and other pests to the nail, everything will be ok. they do not bring us down technically ... but putting us on the key posts of enemies, and preventing them from developing. So the first step towards technological development is personnel control at key posts ... corny, but without this, it makes no sense to discuss technology.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 19 August 2014 19: 18
      +1
      Quote: Aleks_good
      and press the sixth column and other pests to the nail,

      They forgot about the fifth.
  22. Barakuda
    Barakuda 19 August 2014 18: 03
    0
    When I was mine, the cutter holds the tool holder, although it walks half a centimeter. The output is excellent. Some kind of paradox. True Soviet machines ... maybe this chip?
    1. Zuborez
      Zuborez 19 August 2014 18: 17
      +1
      "You can't drink the skill" hi
    2. clidon
      clidon 19 August 2014 21: 02
      +1
      But I met with the absence of paradoxes, when Russian-Chinese cutters and German were left to choose for precision turning. The first turned out to be just some kind of terrible dream in terms of quality, the second roads. While the supply of the second is still there ... How long will it last?
      1. military
        military 20 August 2014 14: 15
        0
        Quote: clidon
        But I met with the absence of paradoxes, when Russian-Chinese cutters and German were left to choose for precision turning. The first turned out to be just some kind of terrible dream in terms of quality, the second roads. While the supply of the second is still there ... How long will it last?

        I remembered my youth ... the last page of the magazine "Around the World" ... an article about some monastery on the top of a cliff ... access for tourists is only by cable car ... a tourist's question "How often do the ropes change?" ... and the phlegmatic answer of the "carrier" monk ... "As soon as the old ones are torn! ..." wink laughing
  23. voliador
    voliador 19 August 2014 18: 23
    -2
    If there is an opportunity to rob all sorts of geyropeytsev and pindosnikov, personally I am only for!
  24. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 19 August 2014 18: 34
    +4
    Remember the taxi driver from the movie "Brother-2"? His monologue: "After all, there were people like people and suddenly everyone became - a paradox", this is exactly what happened to the country, including in the engineering and technical environment - now at almost any of the few remaining production facilities the level of this very engineering and technical personnel has dropped compared to Soviet times simply catastrophically, relatively speaking, the chief engineer hardly reaches the level of a very average Soviet technician, and even then with great pressure - the result of specialists leaving for the private sector and the lack of demand for engineering specialties in universities and technical schools - there is a dominance of "managers and lawyers". And what about the exam? This is the same official sabotage and sabotage, as well as teaching history according to new "textbooks" - practically everything has been done for the irrevocably unique way - into complete darkness. That is why the task of overhauling the lost positions in these areas as soon as possible must be given the utmost attention and not spared money, but only under the strict control of the state, private traders should not, in principle, receive not a penny, and a state diploma should be worth its weight in gold, as well as the quality of graduates and their remuneration, because now we have a "country of hucksters and guards", but there should be "engineers, workers, peasants and musicians."
  25. skeptic2999
    skeptic2999 19 August 2014 22: 04
    +1
    The article is good. The interviewer put everything on the shelves. There is a chance if not to eliminate, then significantly reduce the technological gap from the West. Only with the real responsibility of all elites for their activities. Russia has a chance, I believe, we will break through.
  26. Lock
    Lock 19 August 2014 22: 35
    0
    The situation with import substitution is, to put it mildly, very bad. There are no factories for the production of materials, for example, fabric-film, many PKI, ERI in our country! Years and lards are needed to raise production to replace foreigners of today's technological level. But those who say that import substitution will be carried out in a year are disingenuous however.
    1. military
      military 20 August 2014 14: 18
      0
      Quote: trava
      Years and lards are needed to raise production to replace foreigners of today's technological level.

      tens of years ... and hundreds of lards ... request
      Quote: trava
      But those who say that import substitution will be carried out in a year are disingenuous however.

      they’re lying, scum ... not for profit, but just out of habit ... bully
  27. Wolka
    Wolka 20 August 2014 06: 38
    0
    there would be a desire to really get rid of import dependence, there will be strength, today there are already too many different kinds of speculators, hat-takers and other patriotic adventurers on this subject ...
  28. delorian
    delorian 20 August 2014 11: 35
    +1
    there is Belarus, Kazakhstan, China .... the details can be copied stupid, the Chinese can buy equipment, people can be lured from Ukraine and a year can be maintained on spare parts
  29. Irokez
    Irokez 20 August 2014 13: 18
    0
    I repeat once again that sanctions are good for us and this is our development path; our new impetus is how industry began to develop rapidly in 41 and right now. There would be a will and desire, and we will succeed.
    Yes, engineers, especially designers, designers are few and they are not appreciated in the market economy, but the hour has passed they will still chase the designers and even the most inexperienced and young ones would lie so that they could design, and eventually the experience will come and foreign technologies will begin to be applied in design and technology.