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Intangible losses of a terrible war

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Intangible losses of a terrible war I just wanted to share my own thoughts about what is happening with the east of Ukraine and with the Ukrainians as a whole. Do not consider me a fanatic of all sorts of prophecies. Searching a little about Wang, I came across the phrase “people will listen but not hear” that struck me in my memory. After some time, life taught, showed, one might say, poked with its nose into its meaning.

It affects the attitude of many Ukrainians, with whom they have to communicate. A native of the Luhansk region, I studied at the time in Kharkov, where I still have a huge number of friends. Many, like me, not Kharkov, we lived in a hostel, and we absolutely did not care who came from. We were just friends. I still go along the adjacent path with many of them and in general I can summarize that we have been friends for more than 10 years.

But that has changed. At first, Crimea fell off Ukraine. On the one hand, of course, unprecedented action in international affairs: part of one state unilaterally transferred to another state. On this occasion, my German chief said that if it were part of Russia, Putin would quickly have sent all those who need to where. I think he is right. However, there is another side - I look at my small homeland and I understand that the same would have happened with the Crimea, if not for the green little men. With the Crimea, which had fallen off from Ukraine, several of my friends “died”. Do not think - they are alive, we just can no longer talk to each other. At one time they talked ...

Now ukroarmiya fighting in my land. It was already very hot when the battery of guns of Ukrainians stood at a dominant height near my city and beat them all the way. Kicked out, it became quieter. Then mobile sabotage groups started, which shelled hospitals in my and nearby cities. Caught, it became quieter. Now Ukrainian planes iron local mines, factories. Mother said that they also burned ready for harvesting wheat and even smashed one of the combines in the field. Bastards. These events took several more of my friends in the same way as the Crimea.

Can you imagine the dialogue of the blind with the deaf-and-dumb? This is the first thing that comes to mind when talking.

I: Ukrainian aviation burning bread in the region.
A: That terrorists.
Me: Well, where did the terrorists get the planes?
A: Let me have a plane.

Link.

But this is not enough: in addition to ammunition, fuel and a pilot, there is also a need for dispatching service, in addition, there are still Ukrainian air defense systems that cover the Lugansk region, and an alien plane would easily have been shot down. And then the plane that flies 4 times a day. And this is not to mention the sincere belief in the possibility of transferring MANPADS from an airplane to an air conditioner.

And this is a person with a Ph.D. ... He does not believe me, although I know him more than 10 for years, but he trusts the channels of Poroshenko and Kolomoisky as parents. "Listening, but not hearing." And I am afraid that we now have a huge number of them. It is already very difficult to perceive such people as friends, first of all, probably because I no longer trust them. However, treating them as enemies is also hard. This, in fact, is the main intrigue: how to live on next to such people, how to talk to those who consider you incomprehensible by someone, after watching TV, who consider the killing of civilians as the norm and says that the main thing is that my parents have a chance to leave the country, who tells you: “So why don't you go to Russia?” How can you talk to them, with friends like that wounded in the brain?
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  1. Drunya
    Drunya 18 August 2014 08: 30
    +13
    In Transcarpathia, the number of opponents of the Kiev junta is growing.
    1. PRN
      PRN 18 August 2014 08: 32
      +20
      The setting for August 17. FOUR BOILERS !!!
      1. Duke
        Duke 18 August 2014 08: 49
        +2
        ZAZ stops production and reduces all employees 15.08.2014 10: 55
        Zaporizhzhya Automobile Plant stops production and reduces staff. Workers of the plant have already been familiarized with the dismissal order. They told the editors of All Power about this.
        In total, ZAZ reduces 21 thousand workers. According to the order, in October the last employee will leave the enterprise.
        At the moment, some workshops of the plant are for sale.
        Prior to this, the plant switched to the "three-day", some employees also went on vacation at their own expense.
        Now ZAZ is "surviving" its last months.
        Recall Zaporizhzhya Automobile Plant reduced the volume of car production by 98,9%.
        According to statistics, last month the plant produced only eight cars. At the same time, over the past two months ZAZ has not produced a single bus.
        All Power requested comments from the administration of the plant, but, unfortunately, we did not hear a clear answer. We refused to give comments on the phone, noting that you can send an official request and wait for an answer for 28 days.
      2. vrach
        vrach 18 August 2014 11: 32
        +3
        And 3 begs for it - Debaltseve, Amvrosievka, Upper Krynka.
      3. tomcat117
        tomcat117 18 August 2014 19: 15
        0
        Digest the boilers of the ukrofashists, belching loudly into their frightened faces!
      4. faterdom
        faterdom 18 August 2014 21: 28
        +1
        Sands and Krynka - two more almost ready!
    2. Момент
      Момент 18 August 2014 08: 37
      +21
      It is useless until it is too late to reach the giraffe. Ukraine is one big sect that must be cured with time.
      American-style democracy brings only chaos, blood and devastation. Thank God at least there is New Russia.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 18 August 2014 12: 02
        +4
        Quote: Moment
        .Ukraine is one big sect, which must be treated with time.

        This is exactly what many do not notice. I ask you to pay attention to the fact that in Ukraine there are a lot of various sects that the population visits, carrying tithes there, gathering for tea drinking, and other events, in the late 90s I myself watched how hundreds of such parishes from "Light to the World" gathered at the stadium the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine does not. As they say, there is no need to fight, it is enough to seize faith and a person's soul, and he will give up the country himself, without war. That is what we observe in Ukraine. By the way, Turchinov is one of those. We draw conclusions.
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 18 August 2014 11: 19
      +5
      Ukrainian media continue to brainwash the population of their country. And the Ukrainians do not want to get out of this state, so, apparently, they are more comfortable, but the more difficult it will be to get out of this state.
      1. Suhow
        Suhow 19 August 2014 00: 29
        0
        The article is correct, I myself often find myself in similar situations. And not everyone believes the media, as well as support the line of the new government.
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  4. mig31
    mig31 18 August 2014 08: 43
    +3
    Not just a brainless but also a headless generation of young people has been raised, for which it is useless to rule anything, due to the lack of touch, smell, hearing and everything else ...
    1. djtyysq
      djtyysq 18 August 2014 10: 12
      +2
      Quote: mig31
      Not just a brainless but also a headless generation of young people has been raised, for which it is useless to rule anything, due to the lack of touch, smell, hearing and everything else ...


      MIG31, and rake at
      it is given to us! Alas ,,,,,
  5. Karasik
    Karasik 18 August 2014 08: 45
    +7
    It is useless to talk. The brains of many are simply clogged with feces. Over time, the feces will be washed away, but the smell will remain. Oh, Ukraine will not be cured soon!
    1. Russian Uzbek
      Russian Uzbek 18 August 2014 09: 04
      +3
      there is a wonderful, wonderful remedy for healing! Kalashnikov assault rifle ...
    2. DMB-88
      DMB-88 18 August 2014 12: 25
      +1
      Quote: Karasik
      It is useless to talk. The brains of many are simply clogged with feces. Over time, the feces will be washed away, but the smell will remain. Oh, Ukraine will not be cured soon!


      As soon as the People's Army comes to Kuev and the trial of the junta begins and the whole truth is revealed, the duped people will immediately disown the bloody dovecote !!!
      Only how will they look into the eyes of the inhabitants of Slavyansk, Donetsk, Lugansk and many villages and townships razed by the junta from the face of the earth. But this is done with the silent, and sometimes ardent "approval" of the population of dill !!!
      1. forester
        forester 18 August 2014 19: 00
        +1
        Quote: DMB-88
        Quote: Karasik
        It is useless to talk. The brains of many are simply clogged with feces. Over time, the feces will be washed away, but the smell will remain. Oh, Ukraine will not be cured soon!


        As soon as the People's Army comes to Kuev and the trial of the junta begins and the whole truth is revealed, the duped people will immediately disown the bloody dovecote !!!
        Only how will they look into the eyes of the inhabitants of Slavyansk, Donetsk, Lugansk and many villages and townships razed by the junta from the face of the earth. But this is done with the silent, and sometimes ardent "approval" of the population of dill !!!

        I am summing up at the expense of the eyes, and now many understand everything, they just fell under the power - another force will come under it - the mentality is
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 August 2014 09: 06
    0
    However, treating them as enemies is also difficult.

    Today he is simply duped by dill propaganda, and tomorrow he is killing civilians with weapons in his hands. Is he an enemy or not?
    1. sufix
      18 August 2014 09: 19
      0
      That’s why the dilemma
    2. djtyysq
      djtyysq 18 August 2014 10: 16
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60


      Quote: rotmistr60
      However, treating them as enemies is also difficult.

      Today he is simply duped by dill propaganda, and tomorrow he is killing civilians with weapons in his hands. Is he an enemy or not?



      And you go to the censor. No and you will understand who it is and what! They are ready to kill, kill ,,,,,,,
      1. sufix
        18 August 2014 14: 12
        +2
        Quote: djtyysq
        And you go to the censor. No and you will understand who it is and what! They are ready to kill, kill ,,,,,,,

        Kill, kill, and become like them? It is clear that you need to defend yourself, but does it remind you of going to kill people on an ideological basis? Lenin, red and white, revolution? And no one thought that "our Western partners" are seeking their own? This is the old policy of the British - to rake in the heat with someone else's hands. While here we will hate and kill each other, they will only need to slightly support this fire. Even after a fire, it is much easier to buy back the ruins than to enslave a strong country. So hate is hate, but you also need to think. I just haven't seen anywhere else how to cure zombified people.
  7. Wolka
    Wolka 18 August 2014 09: 17
    +5
    once again, the statehood of Ukraine is done away with, once again history has shown that this nation cannot exist without a strong patron (formerly the Commonwealth, then Russia), it is by definition a slave, and will hardly ever become the leading ... hi
  8. ded100
    ded100 18 August 2014 09: 17
    +2
    When the water is turned off, the light is warm, when there is no work and prices will skyrocket, then an epiphany will come and people will understand who was lying to them and whom they supported. God forbid that it was not too late!
  9. Penka
    Penka 18 August 2014 09: 45
    +4
    And how many tragedies happened in Ukrainian families ...
    For example, when parents are Soviet people in the best sense of the word, but their children have become maydaunas.
    1. 23 region
      23 region 18 August 2014 13: 14
      0
      Quote: Penka
      For example, when parents are Soviet people in the best sense of the word, but their children became Maydauns

      DO NOT WALK FAR. FROM MY CORRESPONDENCE WITH KHARKOV:
      "-My maman fucking ... got into the motivation of rosshovinism. I just ignore her. My mother-in-law also fucking ... went the same way. I maman do not refuse anything and do not forbid anything. Feel the difference - I do not forbid her, but she stupidly hates everything Ukrainian without any motivation and explanation. And I don't like that. And for the use of the language, this is generally an overused topic. My wife (wife), if you told her that or hinted that we are prohibited from using any language in Kiev, Lviv, etc., I'm sure I would hit you with something heavy, humanly, like a former compatriot :) "
      RATE FORMER COMPATRIOT (herself from N. Novgorod)
  10. eaa59
    eaa59 18 August 2014 09: 55
    +8
    First, Crimea fell off Ukraine. On the one hand, of course, an unprecedented action in international affairs: a part of one state unilaterally transferred to another state.

    Well, why is it unheard of? And the collapse of the USSR in 1991? What about Yugoslavia? And the referendum in Catalonia on separation from Spain in November of this year (Note, almost in the center of Europe). And the referendum in Scotland on separation from England? What about Northern Ireland? This is one of the largest and most notable over the past 2-3 decades. And how many were small? So the action is not so unheard of. It strikes another. Catalonia and Scotland can hold a referendum on independence, but the Republic of Crimea is impossible? Can the British rebellion for the independence of the Irish be suppressed by military operations, but can not Russia in the Chechen Republic?
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 18 August 2014 10: 02
      +1
      And for normal boys, who jumps - unheard of!
    2. miv110
      miv110 18 August 2014 11: 15
      +2
      And I mean too. Of course, it's a shame when your country is falling apart, well, take it with dignity, and do not be nonsense. Ukraine itself is a product of such a split! Forgot? And she herself was synthesized from areas that never belonged to her. And to the above examples, I will add India and Pakistan (they were once a single country). So, you need to know the history better. A considerable amount of Russian blood has been shed for Crimea!
    3. pahom54
      pahom54 18 August 2014 11: 47
      +2
      for eaa59
      I would also like to add that Crimea became part of Ukraine as a result of Nikita Khrushchev's voluntarist decision, and Sevastopol still remained a city of central subordination (i.e., Moscow).
      I agree that in due time Russia conquered Crimea. BUT!!! Russia conquered, not Ukraine, and Russia, and then the USSR, invested human, material and financial resources in Crimea.
      So as a result of the free expression of the will of the people of Crimea (referendum), he simply returned home.
    4. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 18 August 2014 12: 36
      +1
      Of course you listed correctly, but in my opinion the author said when a part of one state MOVED to another, and not just declared sovereignty.

      It is necessary to try to read correctly, to distort it is not beautiful. For example, Zakharchenko said one thing, and the media presented it differently, why should they be like them?
  11. djtyysq
    djtyysq 18 August 2014 10: 01
    +1
    Listens and hears, whoever wants! And who really does not like the uterus, closed their ears and eyes! Article ++++
  12. Magadan
    Magadan 18 August 2014 10: 28
    +10
    Excellent article.
    And why should the author leave his land for Russia? If you like the maydauns of gay ropa, then let them bring them down there. And Donbass is a primordially RUSSIAN land. The very same Kievan Rus. Which, however, did not dig the Black Sea and which Spartak (that one) was not a native of.
    If my ex-brother has gone mad and drives me, who honor the memory of my ancestors from the house that my ancestors left for me, should I leave ?!
    As for the fact that it is sad to see zombified relatives who listen but do not hear .... I know that my mother and I have the same relatives in Ukraine. One of them even went to the Kalomoyshi troops.
    By the way, it is not necessary to ascribe the words of Christ to all Wangs.
  13. Vitalka
    Vitalka 18 August 2014 11: 22
    +1
    with friends like that wounded in the brain?

    Such wounds are healed by hunger, cold and time. Everything will come.
    1. forester
      forester 18 August 2014 18: 46
      +1
      Quote: Vitalka
      with friends like that wounded in the brain?

      Such wounds are healed by hunger, cold and time. Everything will come.

      It is also treated with a big club with health-improving and educational work at the uranium mines of Norilsk after the return of the Russian lands now belonging to dill and the cities founded and built by the Russian Tsars
  14. Rigla
    Rigla 18 August 2014 11: 32
    +1
    The former ukraine is to be divided into 3 parts -
    1). New Russia (8th region + Chernihiv region) + Crimea should become a part of Russia (Crimea has already become).
    2). banderstadt (western Ukrainian) is a separate country (we need to separate from this zapadenskoy plague).
    3). The rest of Ukraine is a pro-Russian state with powerful pro-Russian agitation of the population, subsequently, if it becomes clear that they have recovered from their independence, as well as accepting New Russia into Russia.
  15. Victor-M
    Victor-M 18 August 2014 12: 24
    +1
    And this is a man with a PhD ... He does not believe me, although I have known him for more than 10 years, but he trusts Poroshenko and Kolomoisky's channels as parents. "He listens, but does not hear." And I am afraid that we have a huge number of them now.


    Looking at everything that is happening in recent days in Banderlogstan, the conclusion suggests itself that the majority of the zombified Banderlogists are beginning to understand who they brought to power and what awaits them in the future, but due to fear of reprisals, they repeat the Russophobic mantra with all their might to noticed, while in my heart, for what in vain, curse the junta. laughing
  16. PWG
    PWG 18 August 2014 12: 29
    +1
    “There is nothing more vile and disgusting than the so-called“ Ukrainians ”!
    This rabble, raised by the Poles from the most vile scum of the Russian people (murderers, careerists, creepy intelligentsia), is ready to kill their own father and mother for power and a profitable place! These geeks are ready to tear their fellow tribesmen apart, and not even for the sake of profit, but for the sake of satisfying their base instincts, for them there is nothing sacred, betrayal is the norm for them, they are wretched in mind, spiteful, envious, cunning with a special cunning. These non-humans have absorbed all the worst and vilest from the Russians, Poles, and Austrians, there is no room for good qualities in their souls. Most of all they hate their benefactors, those who have done them good and are ready to grovel in every possible way in front of the mighty of this world. They are not adapted to anything and can only perform primitive work, they could never create their own state! " Otto von Bismarck.
    This was written by the wisest ruler of the state where Ukrainians are striving so much now. As they say: comments are superfluous!
  17. Orik
    Orik 18 August 2014 13: 37
    +3
    Everything is very simple. For propaganda, ideas are not important, what is important is the mass character, the force of pressure, what has been done in Ukraine. A candidate's degree is not even always a confirmation that a person is an expert in his field, and certainly does not guarantee wisdom (not to be confused with intelligence).
    We need denazification with digging up corpses in plantings, dismantling debris, watching films about the crimes of the Nitsists, tough propaganda on the contrary. For the majority, that's enough, to isolate the scumbags to the next world and to prison.
  18. beefrost
    beefrost 18 August 2014 15: 23
    +1
    and I have one such friend .... I once said to him: "Read between the lines, read what is not written", he gazed out his eyes ... bym-bloody .... - "and yak tse?"
  19. Carlos
    Carlos 18 August 2014 16: 51
    0
    No wonder the TV is called a zombie box.
  20. reg_edit
    reg_edit 18 August 2014 19: 03
    +2
    In 1945, the Americans and Germans came up with the concept of denazification for occupied Germany. By the way, Erhard's group, which dealt (semi-officially) with the consequences of Germany's defeat in the war and the necessary reforms of power and economy in occupied Germany, was created in the Third Reich in 1943 (!). Well, there was a lot of things, a long story to tell, now is not about that.
    The main ideological feature of this program was the thesis “we did not know anything about the crimes of the regime, and if we knew, then we only carried out“ impregnable orders ”(for example,“ guarded the concentration camp, but did not participate in the executions ”). The problem was that in The NSDAP consisted of about 4 million people, and together with organizations (branches) - more than 10. This is not counting the SS and the army.So, within 3 years in the occupied territories (in our zone, by the way, too) the system was completely restored state and local government, police, educational and cultural institutions (where formally Nazis and sympathizers, no, no). Where did these hundreds of thousands of officials, police officers, teachers and others come from? From the blind and the deaf? "Ah, Hitler deceived us." 12 years As in that joke about the interrogation "he walked, stumbled, fell on the knife. and so 24 times. "
    Why am I? When all this is over (oh, not soon), there will be millions of such "deceived" in Ukraine. And what to do? "Execution cannot be pardoned." We will pretend that we believe, we will rebuild the country at our own expense. The most obscene thing is that we will again develop the Ukrainian national culture and education, giving them benefits and privileges. In order to get the same thing again in 70 years. Thank God I won't live until next time.
  21. shitovmg
    shitovmg 18 August 2014 20: 56
    0
    I respect the leadership of Crimea !!! Well done, we were able to get out of the vicious circle! On time and irrevocably !!!