Upcoming shocks

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Upcoming shocks


While the attention of the Russian public is focused on the hostilities in Novorossia, in the adjacent territory of Ukraine, controlled by the Kiev regime, no less destructive processes are unfolding (though not so rapid). This, of course, is about the deteriorating economic situation in the country and the growth of social tensions.

We will talk about the main milestones of this process in this article, in parallel, trying to understand the possible consequences of what is happening.
It's no secret that the standard of living of the population of Ukraine is constantly falling. Recently, the media now and then dazzled with headlines about the next price increase for those or other goods and services. After analyzing these materials, we can get fairly reliable data on how impoverished every inhabitant of “Square” is in the near future.

So, let's start with the most extensive problems entailing a whole train of smaller troubles. The most serious threat looming over Ukraine is the lack of funds in its budget. There is no money for anything, including the functioning of state institutions and public sector wages. From the very beginning of their stay in power, the Kiev government had no other options for solving the problem of the budget deficit, apart from receiving loans from the IMF. Work in this direction, it took up. As a result, an agreement was reached on granting Ukraine a stabilization loan in the amount of 17 billion dollars. Funds had to be received in separate tranches every two months for two years. The first tranche, the amount of 3 billion dollars was allocated to Ukraine in May. Of course, his receipt was accompanied by triumphant reports in the media supporting the Kiev regime. But the glee was not long. The allocated money did not have time to end, when, unexpectedly (for the authorities, of course), the problems that the experts have been talking about for a long time have manifested themselves. The International Monetary Fund warned Ukraine that if it fails to regain control of the rebellious Donbas, the amounts of the subsequent tranches will be revised downward. From the point of view of common sense, it looks quite logical: fewer regions within the state - less costs; less cost - less loan amount. It was during this period that the Kiev regime, led by the “newly elected” president, Petro Poroshenko, began to give hysterical orders to its armed formations for an immediate and rapid attack on the Donbass, with the goal of the complete elimination of the republics. As we know, so far nothing has come of it.

But back to the topic of loans.

No matter how hard the government of Yatsenyuk tried, together with the whole Verkhovna Rada and Petro Poroshenko himself to fulfill the conditions of the IMF, the second tranche of the loan was not received in time. It was supposed to arrive in July, but instead, the fund sent its monitoring mission to Ukraine in order to explore the possibility of further lending to this state. Simply put, the provision of subsequent tranches of the loan was called into question.

In an effort to get the desired funds at any cost, the government began, in accordance with the requirements of the foundation, to significantly increase the prices of utilities. We will tell about it in more detail below. But even such measures could not convince the auditors from the IMF. At the end of the mission in Ukraine, its employees refused to voice a clear answer regarding the future fate of the promised loan. And only after meetings with their American leadership, they still recommended to allocate funds (albeit in a much smaller volume and at a later date). Now the estimated amount of the second tranche of the loan is 1,4 billion, instead of 3 billion, and the issue of its allocation will be considered at the fund’s meeting only at the end of August. This means that the money will go to Ukraine no earlier than September. Recall that earlier it was planned that in September the fund would provide the third tranche, and its amount should have been twice as much. In fact, this suggests that the IMF simply refused to Ukraine to receive the second tranche of the loan and significantly reduced the amount of the third.

As we can see, Ukraine’s relations with the IMF, on which the budget of this state now depends, are far from flawless and, in view of the current situation, the prospect of improving them seems unlikely.

The consequences of the lack of budget funds are already clearly felt by ordinary citizens. For them, this is expressed primarily in the increase in utility tariffs. For many years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, many of us have become accustomed to the fact that when we are told about tariff increases from TV screens or newspaper pages, we are talking about a few kopecks. But the current situation in Ukraine is not like that at all. Since July 1, the tariff for water supply has increased by 84%, and the tariff for wastewater - by 105%. In addition, gas prices for the population increased by 50%, and electricity rose by 10 - 40% (depending on the region). Taken together, these increases in utility bills have led to the fact that, for example, owners of a three-room apartment, who previously spent about paying 950 hryvnia per month, will now pay about 1500 hryvnia.

At the same time, in pursuit of regular credit funds, the government has already initiated consideration of a bill that would allow evicting debtors from apartments without returning the cost of selected housing (previously, they would reimburse the cost, minus the amount of debt). The adoption of this bill is one of the requirements of the International Monetary Fund.

At the same time, in addition to the rise in prices for utilities, the general inflation in the country is also hitting the pockets of Ukrainian citizens. For the first half of 2014 of the year, its figure exceeded 12%. Although the summer period is far from the worst in this respect, because in summer the vegetables included in the typical “grocery basket” become much cheaper. With the onset of cold weather, the situation is much worse.

In addition to food prices, gasoline prices continue to rise. If in April the cost of various types of fuel ranged from 12 to 14 UAH, now prices vary in the range of 15 - 17 UAH and their upward trend does not stop.

All of the above takes place against the background of a constant fall in the price of the national currency, and hence a decrease in the purchasing power of citizens. Nobody talks about salary indexation in Ukraine. On the day of this writing, the dollar against the hryvnia reached its historical maximum, passing the mark in 13 UAH. And although in the near future the authorities will certainly try to keep it by methods of administrative regulation, this is unlikely to change the general trend.

For greater clarity, we give a simple example. The average salary in Ukraine is 3500 hryvnia. Before the start of the “revolution” in November 2013 of the year, at the rate of 8 UAH for 1dollar, this was 437 dollars. Today, at the rate of 13 UAH for 1 dollar, the amount has decreased to 269 dollars. At the same time, the price of almost all consumer goods in Ukraine is formed taking into account the cost of gasoline and other resources purchased abroad for these same dollars. That is why, everything is becoming more expensive.

In her speech to the deputies of the Verkhovna Rada 12 of August, the head of the National Bank of Ukraine Valery Gontareva called one of the main reasons for the rapid decline of the hryvnia exchange rate of the ongoing war in the east of the country. In response to a question from one of the deputies about when the national currency would stop diminishing, she asked him when the fighting in the Donbas would stop. This formulation of the question looks absolutely reasonable. And not only because money loves silence. The war bears Ukraine a huge loss, so the issue of its impact on the economy of the state, we consider in more detail.

Of course, the main damage inflicted on the Ukrainian economy by the war in the Donbass lies in the fact that very significant funds are spent on its maintenance. The biggest problem is that you will not return this money. They, in fact, burn. But due to the postponement of the second tranche of the loan from the IMF (and in fact - the refusal to provide it), the budget for the war can soon be completely out of place. One day of fighting costs the Ukrainian treasury 3 million dollars. At the same time, Minister of Economy of Ukraine Alexander Shlapak, speaking in the parliament of July 21, stated that only 42 million dollars remained in the reserve fund of the budget (from which the military operation in the east of the country is financed). In the future, the conduct of hostilities requires disproportionately large funds. But there is nothing to save. The Ukrainian army is perhaps the only one in the world in which servicemen taking part in hostilities do not receive either “combat” (a special type of payment to the military in hot spots) or surcharges. Benefits for the loss of the breadwinner to the families of the dead servicemen are also not paid. It comes to the fact that not even all the wounded are treated at public expense. To some of them, combat wounds are recorded in medical records as consequences of an accident, or mismanagement. weapons. Such a formulation deprives them of the right to be treated at public expense.

And even with such inspiring measures of economy, there is still not enough money for combat operations. Under these conditions, the Kiev regime decided to resort to its usual tactics and place the burden of responsibility for its own political mistakes on the shoulders of the country's population. At an extraordinary meeting of the Parliament, held on July 31, a law was passed introducing a military tax in the amount of 1,5% of income for Ukrainian citizens. This law came into force on August 3. For Ukrainian citizens, it means that now with every thousand hryvnia earned, they will have to give 15 hryvnia for military needs.

But the destructive effect for Ukraine of the war it started is not limited to the waste of the budget deficit that is already scarce. The fighting takes place in the most industrially developed region of the country, as a result of which almost the only industry that brings profit is destroyed - heavy metallurgy. This causes enormous damage to the economy of the unfortunate state. According to experts, the fall in Ukraine's GDP in the second quarter of 2014 was 4,7%. But this is not the limit. In the speech already mentioned by us before the deputies of the Verkhovna Rada, the Minister of Economy Alexander Shlapak predicted a fall in GDP of 6% by the end of the current year. And it is worth noting that this is one of the most optimistic forecasts, because Kiev managers tend to hide the negative results of their activities. By the way, they themselves planned to compensate for the fall in GDP by developing small and medium-sized businesses (at least in words). After one of the meetings with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavel Klimkin, US Secretary of State John Kerry even declared that America was ready to allocate funds for this purpose. The truth is neither about the timing of the loan, nor about the specific amount of the speech was not, and then the topic was completely forgotten as unnecessary and incomplete.

Against the background of all these plausible conversations, Ukrainian small and medium-sized entrepreneurs are closing their firms en masse due to increased taxes. Foreign investors, however, do not want a cannon-shot at all to approach a country with such an unstable economic and political situation, besides leading a war.

But, as they say: “to whom the war is, and to whom - the mother is native”. Unlike small and medium-sized businessmen, some representatives of big business (they are also oligarchs) manage to get financial benefits from the ongoing hostilities. For example, the Dnepropetrovsk oligarch - Governor Igor Kolomoisky won the right to supply diesel for 30 hryvnas per liter for the non-alternative tender, which is twice the market value. In addition, he also delivers body armor to the troops, costing 20000 hryvnia for 1 units, three times higher than their retail price. True, not all oligarchs live so well. Rinat Akhmetov, who was considered the richest man of Ukraine not so long ago, now suffers enormous losses, due to the fact that his enterprises are concentrated mainly in the territory where military operations are conducted. However, given that in addition to factories in Ukraine, he also has huge assets in other countries, this war is unlikely to ruin it completely. However, the oligarchs are not accustomed to forgive anyone for similar financial losses. This is further confirmed by the fact that last Saturday, controlled by Rinat Akhmetov, the newspaper Segodnya published an article by the writer Oles Buzin, famous for his pro-Russian views. The publication was brightly anti-war. The fact that in the Akhmetov newspaper they began to print again such a dissident as Buzin can testify only to one thing: the contradictions in the Ukrainian oligarchic elite are growing.

With this thesis, we smoothly proceed to the description of how the catastrophic situation in the Ukrainian economy and the civil war, which has been going on for the fourth month, affects society.

The first thing that comes to mind is the intensified protests provoked by the start of the third wave of partial mobilization. It is mainly opposed by rural residents of the western regions of the country. The thing is that it is from there that the majority of recruits for the armed forces are recruited, taking into account the high level of loyalty of the residents of these regions in relation to the current government, as well as their lack of literacy (which means the inability to get rid of conscription through various legal tricks). It is worth noting that the authorities do not even hide the goals of mobilization. Officials of the Kiev regime explicitly declare that it is being carried out to replace casualties in armed groups fighting in the East. Just looking at the official data on losses, it is impossible to understand the need for such a replacement. To date, the Kiev authorities have acknowledged the fact that only a little more than 500 people died and injuries around 2000. But reality is at variance with official statistics. According to data, from the intercepted by the hackers and periodically published by them in the network of staff documents of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine, real losses already amount to more than 3000 killed, more than 5000 injured and about 4000 deserters. In modern conditions it is difficult to hide the truth from the population. It still seeps into even the most remote villages, along with the stories of wounded soldiers returning from the front, or simply with rumors. At the same time, knowing the true losses of the Ukrainian security forces, it is not difficult to guess why the residents of even the most "militant" regions are protesting. No one wants to lose their loved ones in the war. In some areas, anti-war rallies were accompanied by the burning of subpoenas and mobilization regulations, which testifies to the seriousness of intentions.

Speaking about the processes occurring in the Ukrainian society, it is impossible to ignore the situation with the “Maidan”. Last weekend, its activists left the main square of the country. This was preceded by their "Dembelsky chord", held on Thursday, when "maydanovtsy" burned tires, fighting off an imaginary assault from the battalions "Kiev - 1" and "Kiev - 2", formed from their own "colleagues". In our opinion, what happened was a confirmation of the assumption, expressed in one of our previous articles, that Poroshenko would try to dissolve the “Maidan” by bribing its formal and informal leaders. This version perfectly explains why at the weekend activists left the square without any pressure. Well, what happened on Thursday looks in this vein as an elementary attempt by the leaders of the “Maidan” to bargain.

However, in our opinion, it is not worth prematurely burying the “Maidan”. First of all, he did not go home, but just moved from the main square of Kiev to Trukhanov Island (there they are now camping). And secondly, all of the above creates an ideal ground in Ukraine for new social upheavals. And unlike the gathering of "revolutionaries" in the center of Kiev, crowds of enraged, hungry and disadvantaged people will not be able to pay off. By the way, even residents of the capital are likely to actively participate in the new social explosion. After all, an economic disaster in the state already affects them in the most direct way: in Kiev, the second month there is no hot water supply. According to the mayor of the capital, Vitali Klitschko, this is due to measures to save gas, and hot water will be served in the apartments not earlier than the heating season. However, experts note that no gas saved will not allow the city to be heated all winter. So, this year, the people of Kiev are waiting for cold batteries and broken pipes.

According to simple forecasts, evident from the pace of development of the situation, all the problems described, from the full expenditure of budgetary funds to riots against mobilization and frozen apartments, will reach their peak in late autumn - early winter. In Ukraine, there are enough forces willing to take advantage of social discontent and shift the current government, so a new coup is a matter of time.

Only the question of who will replace the current leadership remains open. However, in view of the specifics of the “post-revolutionary” Ukrainian society, with its abundance of destitute, but at the same time armed people, as well as universal radical and even belligerent sentiments, the case may end up with another Makhnovshchina with all its charms, in the form of total war, looting, looting and unreasonable cruelty.

But Ukraine is no stranger to the state of the Ruins. The anarchist core sits in the majority of its inhabitants much deeper than all kinds of alluvial nationalism and "European values". It is the essence of this nation. And as long as someone from the outside does not stop this bloody orgy, there will be no peace in the long-suffering land of Ukraine.
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  1. +34
    16 August 2014 14: 31
    Everything is decided in Fashington, as they say so the bucket and do it, they say he calls for every little thing and consults with his curators.
    1. +22
      16 August 2014 15: 14
      Peering at the root
      I note there is a problem!
      Flew into der
      Uncle Sam's boot!

      Reality i whit
      I will not embellish!
      Foot in boot
      All to the knee in p.ara.she!
      1. +16
        16 August 2014 15: 50
        the picture can be judged in two ways
        after all, it’s not washed off however
        drinks
        1. +11
          16 August 2014 16: 06
          Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
          the picture can be judged in two ways


          And our thoughts are the same!
          After all, Poroshenko’s place is at the bucket!
          The picture will wake us up!
          I hope Barack arrives there too?

          My respect is a colleague! hi drinks
          1. +11
            16 August 2014 16: 35
            Allow me to express my deepest respect to the workers of the pen and lyre from the entire unethical-mundane part of the collective! hi
            1. +5
              16 August 2014 16: 41
              Quote: retired
              Allow me to express my deepest respect to the workers of the pen and lyre.

              Thank you Buddy, and to all respected colleagues for enduring our hooliganism here! hi

              Quote: retired
              from the whole unethical-grounded part of the team!

              There are no mundane people (if only in the morgue), each person has his own wings, something of his own! drinks
              The main thing is not to fold the wings!
          2. +13
            16 August 2014 16: 41
            The plot of the drama is defined in the picture exactly
            Find a way to drain left urgently
            It is advisable to lower both at once
            To not spread the infection around the world
            1. +2
              17 August 2014 00: 31
              Quote: SPACE
              It is advisable to lower both at once

              concise and accurate!
    2. +5
      16 August 2014 16: 51
      The fascist junta in Ukraine for the right to rule the country simply sold the country to America, such steering, as a rule, do not rule for a long time and end either on the gallows or by ordinary execution.
    3. +5
      16 August 2014 18: 13
      The only question is how much the junta government will be able to hold on to? Winter is coming soon !!! The campaign needs to wait for the next revolution !!! Well, apparently Bandera rode up !!! Plus, the Southeast will continue the fighting !!! Yes, after US assistance, there is always a mess and death !!!
  2. comrad74
    +2
    16 August 2014 14: 31
    The problems are resolved for us NOW until w. Why? Http: //rusdozor.ru/2014/08/16/mesyac/
  3. +4
    16 August 2014 14: 31
    By “someone,” I mean Russia, as I understand it, because all the “new relatives” who participate in this “bloody show” have absolutely half and half what will happen to the Ruina.
    1. pahom54
      +7
      16 August 2014 16: 40
      And why minus ???
      Read the end of the article: "And until someone from the outside stops this bloody bacchanalia, there will be no peace in the long-suffering land of Ukraine."
      BTV, dear, someone did not read the article and did not understand the essence.
      Of course, by "someone" is meant none other than Russia ...
  4. +7
    16 August 2014 14: 31
    Well, Ukraine has a chance to get another tranche from the IMF, then I think the United States will "help", and then what? With the next, it may already be so and the United States will not be able to help. And the time when Russia will have to repay the gas debt will certainly be closer and closer, but where then the money can be taken for everything else ...
  5. +10
    16 August 2014 14: 33
    Nestanet such a country as Ukraine ... they will drag it away as in its time Yugoslavia. This will be the logical result of the Maidan.
  6. +10
    16 August 2014 14: 36
    It would be good to bring two more Russian regions to Zaporizhzhya and Kharkov to New Russia. It is also extremely important for Russia to ensure the land border with Crimea !!! Kherson region is sparsely populated and agricultural, if Zaporozhye is in Novorossia, then Kherson will be attracted - here we all have the land border with Crimea.
    1. +14
      16 August 2014 14: 45
      Quote: Sergg
      It would be good to bring two more Russian regions to Zaporizhzhya and Kharkov to New Russia. It is also extremely important for Russia to ensure the land border with Crimea !!! Kherson region is sparsely populated and agricultural, if Zaporozhye is in Novorossia, then Kherson will be attracted - here we all have the land border with Crimea.

      The campaign needs the whole southeast, including Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk.
      At the same time, cut off the remains of Dill, access to the sea, a trifle, but nice ... laughing
      1. -4
        16 August 2014 16: 42
        In Crimea, the funded part of the Russians’s pensions was chopped off, and much more will be needed to restore Novorossia if it joins. Are you personally prepared for the fact that, for example, the income tax will be raised to 17-18%?
        1. +5
          16 August 2014 16: 47
          Quote: muginov2015
          In Crimea, the funded part of the Russians’s pensions was chopped off, and much more will be needed to restore Novorossia if it joins. Are you personally prepared for the fact that, for example, the income tax will be raised to 17-18%?

          Where does infa on the funded part of the pension come from? who is the author of the idea of ​​increasing income tax?
          1. -6
            16 August 2014 20: 45
            Regarding the funded part, dear, you need to read the press regularly. And about the tax, because I am one of the possible options for the development of the situation, on my own, so to speak.
    2. pahom54
      +4
      16 August 2014 16: 43
      for sergg

      Forgot, dear, still Nikolaev and Odessa .... And then the Ruin will remain without access to the sea at all !!!
  7. +3
    16 August 2014 14: 38
    From the very beginning of its stay in power, the Kiev government had no other options for solving the budget deficit problem, except for obtaining loans from the IMF.

    Well, why? A lot of options. From outright theft of other people's property (gas), to outright racket of all its neighbors. Sometimes you can make a surprised face with a reminder but need to pay for the goods. Well, something like this.
  8. +2
    16 August 2014 14: 40
    from identity too much so, really didn’t die or already?
    1. +3
      16 August 2014 14: 47
      Quote: raketnik
      from identity too much so, really didn’t die or already?

      In the process. hi
      Yes, it was not for nothing that the Ukrainians accepted such an anthem - it was clear that they would soon die.
      1. +3
        16 August 2014 15: 45
        Quote: Wheel
        Quote: raketnik
        from identity too much so, really didn’t die or already?

        In the process. hi
        Yes, it was not for nothing that the Ukrainians accepted such an anthem - it was clear that they would soon die.

        As you call a ship, it’s sailing .. smile
  9. +14
    16 August 2014 14: 40
    I don’t know how in other regions of Russia, but here (in the Saratov region) prices are also growing rapidly for EVERYTHING ... starting with gasoline. And if benzite rises in price, then everything else too. This is so, note. And most importantly, for a definitely short period of time, the jump in prices is palpable. And it all started from the end of March .. I’m not a provocateur (as you might think), just in Russia there are enough problems and there are too many of them, in all areas ..
    1. Past_ Crocodile
      +3
      16 August 2014 15: 50
      In Moscow, rose by 4 rubles.
  10. Hawk2014
    +5
    16 August 2014 14: 42
    The only question that remains open is who will replace the current leadership.
    Why is divination necessary if it does not answer the question? what
    And until someone from the outside stops this bloody bacchanalia, there will be no rest on the long-suffering land of Ukraine.
    And again a mystery! Who will this someone be? Who needs this?what
  11. +9
    16 August 2014 14: 45
    In his speech to the deputies of the Verkhovna Rada on August 12, the head of the National Bank of Ukraine Valery Gontareva called one of the main reasons for the rapid depreciation of the hryvnia the ongoing war in the east of the country.

    Yes figs to you. The main reason was declared buying up dollars by an irresponsible population. And regarding the average salary - three times ha! I'm just wondering how the author considered this average? By the way, there is still an average for regions. And for state employees, the salary is made up of salary plus surcharges. For experience, for coolness, etc. And when it’s hard with money, they only pay a salary. What the hell is average?
    Yes, by the way, the author is aware that state employees are voluntarily offered at their own expense? And not state employees in industry have long passed by half a day.
    1. +3
      16 August 2014 15: 00
      Quote: EvilCat
      Yes, by the way, the author is aware that state employees are voluntarily offered at their own expense?

      So not just at your own expense! At the same time, you have to go to work and fulfill your duties - that is, work for free!
      1. +1
        17 August 2014 00: 11
        By the principle - you pretend that you are working, and the landlord or state pretends that you are being paid. Everyone is happy.
    2. +1
      16 August 2014 15: 55
      It is also necessary to add that the hryvnia exchange rate is affected by the trade balance, when the majority of enterprises that exported goods in the east stopped bringing in export earnings, while imports didn’t decrease, it’s conceivable .. and in terms of salaries for state employees, in some regions, pay only bare salary, without surcharges and surcharges ..
    3. 0
      16 August 2014 21: 54
      Quote: EvilCat
      Yes, by the way, the author is aware that state employees are voluntarily offered at their own expense?

      And they also cancel the provision in the anti-corruption law: now a state employee on free leave MAY engage in entrepreneurial activity!
  12. +11
    16 August 2014 15: 08
    But Ukraine is no stranger to the state of the Ruins. The anarchist core sits in the majority of its inhabitants much deeper than all kinds of alluvial nationalism and "European values". It is the essence of this nation. And as long as someone from the outside does not stop this bloody orgy, there will be no peace in the long-suffering land of Ukraine.

    This is a fact. Throughout the history of what happened to Ukraine, as it were, "nezalezhnosti", from Mazepa to Skoropadsky and the like, to Bandera, this nezalezhnosti they quickly ended. And it ended because it did not rely on its own people, but on various stronger curators-connections. The collapse of the union gave a chance to build a truly independent state, which the svidomye safely pro ... and stepped on absolutely the same rake, found a curator in the person of mattress makers, naturally hostile to everything Russian that was in the Ukrainians. And now, their "independence" is over, as in all previous cases. It will only end with incomparably more terrible and destructive results, which poor Ukraine did not know yet. Civil War of 1918-20s will seem like flowers. The very word "Maidan" will be perceived by Ukrainians with a shudder over time.
    Of course, I don’t want all this, but this is a fact.
    1. +6
      16 August 2014 15: 19
      Quote: surovts.valery
      It will only end with incomparably more terrible and destructive results, which poor Ukraine did not know yet. Civil War 1918-20s will seem like flowers. The very word "Maidan" will be perceived by Ukrainians with a shudder over time.
      Of course, I don’t want all this, but this is a fact.



      The most "interesting", so to speak, is ahead.
      Ukraine is falling deeper and deeper into the abyss, the abyss of economic, political and interethnic disasters.
    2. +7
      16 August 2014 15: 34
      Quote: surovts.valery
      ... The very word "Maidan" will be perceived by Ukrainians with a shudder over time.

      Even in the word "Maidan", if you rearrange the letters, you hear: "Give us." How is it ... in Ukrainian! smile
  13. +4
    16 August 2014 15: 16
    Shche not vmerla - but not for long!
  14. +4
    16 August 2014 15: 24
    What awaits Ukraine? Dictatorship. She is selflessly led to this. In the time of the dictatorship, everything is allowed: to produce, killing the earth, shale gas, to destroy opponents, to spoil neighbors ... Who needs it? First of all, those who hate Ukrainians and Russians, who are mired in stupidity and debt. Yankees, go home!
  15. +4
    16 August 2014 15: 31
    Has Ukraine not died yet? - with a question mark
  16. MSA
    MSA
    0
    16 August 2014 15: 41
    Time will tell what will happen to Ukraine
  17. +10
    16 August 2014 15: 50
    In general, the result is quite predictable. Never a revolution with a breakthrough into the power of mediocrity has not led to anything good. It is terrible to admit, but under Yanukovych they lived poorly, but at least peacefully.
  18. +9
    16 August 2014 15: 53
    galloped "ceevropeans" ... fool
  19. +6
    16 August 2014 15: 54
    it will be warm and hot water for you ... laughing
  20. +1
    16 August 2014 16: 01
    The article is just like a balm on the heart Yes
    1. +3
      16 August 2014 17: 33
      That's right, let them suffer, suffer and suffer again! In the same way, how fun they rode in due time with anti-Russian slogans!
  21. +1
    16 August 2014 16: 12
    Loans, loans, and again loans - will not give? This situation reminds me of breaking a drug addict. Where to get money for highs ?! Only the buzz is some very bloody.
    "Give us money, we will use this money to buy shells that we will drop on the heads of our citizens!" And they give EXACTLY FOR THIS money. Suk and!
  22. +4
    16 August 2014 16: 41
    The article, of course, is sensible, but only similar articles with an extremely unfavorable forecast for the development of the Ukrainian economy now, if you say that there are many, that means nothing at all. The thought that Kiev still has something in mind does not leave me. In this regard, I would very much like to read the economic forecasts "from the other side". There have always been enough competent specialists in Ukraine. Not all of them went into the jumpers. Well, even if they are not literate, simply svidomye, and it would be interesting to read. I independently found something similar on ukroresursy, but I could not read it, I don’t understand newspeak ... Maybe someone will take it?
    1. +2
      16 August 2014 18: 39
      retiree
      What forecasts are still needed? what Now simple arithmetic. All forecasting came down to a sweepstakes. I bet on 15 the number 100 to 1 that Porosenko will run away. Etc.
      1. +1
        16 August 2014 20: 30
        Quote: GrBear
        What forecasts are still needed?

        Yes, I actually wanted to read Ukrainian economists. All sorts of things: both close and independent, if any remained there.
  23. +8
    16 August 2014 16: 45
    They still continue to say there: Ukraine is Europe. However, it does come a long time.
  24. +5
    16 August 2014 17: 01
    Do not forget also that the ruin can still sell a lot of things. Yes, not at a real price, but it will keep afloat. So all these articles about the imminent economic collapse are certainly very pleasant, but not the fact that it will come true in the near future. Again, they survive the winter, warm the sun and take up the old again. As long as the only real loss of the ruin I see the cutting out of its young male population, the most active. But this is in other matters and for the better.
    1. +3
      16 August 2014 17: 17
      Quote: Zomanus
      Do not forget also that the ruin can still sell a lot of things. Yes, not at a real price, but it will keep afloat. So all these articles about the imminent economic collapse are certainly very pleasant, but not the fact that it will come true in the near future. Again, they survive the winter, warm the sun and take up the old again. As long as the only real loss of the ruin I see the cutting out of its young male population, the most active. But this is in other matters and for the better.

      You know, in my opinion Ukraine only has to sell the rest of the territory. In this case, they will survive the winter, but not as an "independent power".
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  26. 0
    16 August 2014 17: 54
    There are more than enough gloomy forecasts. But something is not visible in any way a positive scenario. Some kind of theater of the absurd. The worse, the better.
    1. +3
      16 August 2014 18: 06
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      There are more than enough gloomy forecasts. But something is not visible in any way a positive scenario. Some kind of theater of the absurd. The worse, the better.

      And where will the positive come from if the Kiev authorities do nothing to improve the situation? Looking at their actions, it seems that they are specifically destroying the country.
      1. +1
        16 August 2014 18: 58
        DV69
        Looking at their actions, it seems that they are specifically destroying the country.


        I even admit that they agree not to destroy, BUT such a flywheel of Nazi hatred is untwisted, with the tacit consent of the people (I admit that the SBU was pressed and brainwashed) that objective conditions are needed to stop the war - stronger and tougher than the power of hatred for Russia. And the rulers want to live (a tribunal, or a bullet, or life in Honduras under a fence - the choice is not rich). The junta will fight until it receives guarantees from the West regarding its future. They have no choice. hi
        Sorry. This song was ruined.
  27. 0
    16 August 2014 18: 25
    I once thought that Daunkrain is a miscarriage of civilization. Now Civilization is a pity. TIME it was necessary to have an abortion!
  28. +1
    16 August 2014 18: 39
    The former Ukraine is a big "GULAI-FIELD". But who will be ataman in this field is a big question. what
  29. +1
    16 August 2014 19: 34
    Poskuda rule in Ukraine, and the people suffer. It is a pity for innocently killed, deceived and robbed people, especially old people, naive as children.
  30. 0
    16 August 2014 19: 40
    We all say that the worse Ukraine is, the better, But it’s not out of spite, but that they would quickly recover from zombies and begin to soberly reason, and then act.
    Well, if this does not happen? Well, that’s scary.
    If we look at the psyche of a wino. After all, everyone around him is to blame. And no matter how life hits his face on the table, nothing changes: the shop manager that fired, the wife of the fool that drove out, the children are stupid people who do not understand his subtle soul.
    In such cases, only compulsory treatment helps, and in relation to the country, I am afraid this is a dictatorship. But who will act as a dictator?
  31. +1
    16 August 2014 19: 50
    Men, I recall, military gatherings are held in the Russian Federation this year from August to October. I propose to participate. Do not wait for the summons, mail works poorly throughout the country. I'm going.
    1. -1
      16 August 2014 21: 43
      I suggested a general gathering in the spring, as a rehearsal of general mobilization, which will inevitably happen from the beginning of the great war, on the threshold of which we are standing. Finally, such exercises are carried out. We relaxed in peacetime. It will be difficult to wear military boots.
  32. AUL
    -2
    16 August 2014 20: 00
    Quote: Vadim12
    That's right, let them suffer, suffer and suffer again! In the same way, how fun they rode in due time with anti-Russian slogans!

    My minus. Not everyone jumped, and everyone will suffer - from infants to senior citizens. Do not be like the Nazis!
    1. +5
      16 August 2014 20: 12
      Quote from AUL

      My minus. Not everyone jumped, and everyone will suffer - from infants to senior citizens. Do not be like the Nazis!


      And what do you suggest? Pity everyone, continue to supply free gas. Most of them simply hate us.
      What is the way out of this situation?
  33. 0
    16 August 2014 20: 27
    In general, the "snowball" of problems has been rolling and rolling for a long time, and now it is also picking up speed! The only thing left to the leadership of the country is to stuff the rest of all the money from the budget and valuables in their pockets and shed, shed, shed somewhere where, in their opinion, it will be calm and happy, but as they say, a mistake has come out ... The long arm of people's justice will get them and will give it no less long, and even bony hand !!! So - FEAR THE LORD, FEAR !!!
  34. vladpesc
    +8
    16 August 2014 20: 47
    LUGANSK - was founded in 1795, when Catherine II founded an iron foundry on the Lugan River. To work on it, immigrants from the central and northwestern provinces of Russia came to live in Lugansk.
    DNIPROPETROVSK - was founded by Catherine II in the 1776 year and was called Ekaterinoslav.
    KHERSON - was founded by Catherine II in 1778 year for the construction of the Russian fleet. The construction was carried out by Potemkin.
    DONETSK - was founded by Alexander II in 1869 during the construction of a metallurgical plant in Yuzovka.
    NIKOLAEV - was founded by Catherine II in 1789. At this time, Potemkin built the ship "St. Nicholas" there.
    ODESSA - was founded by Catherine II in the 1794 year on the site of a fortress built a little earlier by Suvorov.
    SIMFEROPOL - was founded by Catherine II in the 1784 year. It was built by Potemkin on the site of the Suvorov military camp and next to the Tatar settlement.
    SEVASTOPOL - was founded by Catherine II in 1783 on the site of a fortress built earlier by Suvorov. Built the city of Potemkin.
    MARIUPOL - was founded in 1778 by Catherine II. She settled there Greeks - immigrants from the Crimea.
    CURVED HORN - was founded by Catherine II in the 1775 year.
    Zaporizhzhya - was founded by Catherine II in the 1770 year and was called Alexandrovsky.
    KIROVOGRAD - was founded in 1754 by the Russian Empress Elizaveta Petrovna. It was called Elisavetgrad.
  35. 0
    16 August 2014 21: 05
    Already now it is necessary to think over: how to ensure that all the kodla that rules now in Ukraine before the New Year is brought to justice! And that 3.14dora Lyashko put the back porch on .... like a big pencil.
  36. +2
    16 August 2014 21: 11
    How is it in the golden key? Sunset in the country of fools?
  37. +4
    16 August 2014 22: 06
    “In the absence of a clear criterion, the true also becomes non-obvious, and a difference of opinion about the truth leads to abstention from judgment” (Sextus Empiricus)

    So who is this - "Ukrainian"everyone is talking about ?!
    Judging by the information in recent months (before, there was no concern for Ukraine), we are talking about a confrontation between Russians (living in Ukraine) and everyone else (with a varying degree of total rejection of the whole Russian, but at the same time without clear self-identification ), in other words - at the moment in Ukraine there are Russians and - everyone else ...
    In this case, what kind of "brothers" are they? Maybe it's enough to constantly powder your brains about Pan-Slavism - well, the Russians don't have any brothers, no !!! It is a myth! Show at least one people (close in spirit) who would not have shit in Russia in due time?
    But if you take the idea of ​​"Russia is above all" as a postulate, then everything is immediately simple and clear - who is with us and to what extent!
    For example - to learn the lessons of the past and - to crush the entire Baltic region as much as possible (no matter how much you feed a hyena, but she ...) and Poland and Romania at the same time! Enough curtsies to reverberate - well, they will never be our brothers or even friends !!! Moreover, this will not be "from the lantern", but - according to the "EU doctrine" - they also profile the economy at the level of the whole country - who should do what and what exactly to grow ?! So Russia - let him specify - what is profitable for her to have in this or that country with a hostile population! Half measures never lead to anything good!
  38. 0
    16 August 2014 22: 07
    Parashka and others like him do not give a damn about the people. Squeeze Ukraine, and dump.
  39. Camouflet
    +2
    16 August 2014 22: 08
    In response to a question from one of the deputies about when the national currency will cease to decrease in price, she asked him when the hostilities in Donbass would stop. Such a statement of the question seems absolutely justified.


    I dare to object. This is not justified, but a naive statement of the question.
    The hryvnia has fallen and will fall in any situation. But because the country has been ruled by stupid rams, national schizophrenics, thieves and other bastards for 23 years. They just do not let others live.

    There was no war in the Donbass, and the hryvnia fell from 2 hryvnias per dollar at the time of its entry to 8 in November 13. And the end of the current will be 20 UAH / $. Quite possible. You should not blame the war, but your head.
  40. +1
    16 August 2014 22: 09
    I do not understand such articles. After all, the more of them appears in our press, the more we make enemies in the person of Ukrainians. Well, Western Ukraine and most of Central do not want to live in peace with Russia, why force them to us? Well, let them jump on.
    1. 0
      17 August 2014 03: 50
      Quote: captain
      Well, Western Ukraine and most of Central do not want to live in peace with Russia, why force them to us?
      Duc, after all, Donbass and the Luhansk oblast do not want to be with them, but you know the result ...... If now the number is in the west with Ukraine, then we will have a collapse after 5-10 years into the warring republics and regions with Western oil companies. ...... They are not stuck in their world. We were bought with pepsikola and sneakers with Gorbachev, and he and his gang with green toilet paper, now we feel self-esteem after reuniting with the Crimea. And rightly so, the land is not given away and not bought. They are heated with blood ...... otherwise tomorrow, the population bought by psychosis may want to go to the moon. Therefore, if one of the dill does not want to live in peace with Russia, please if you wish to travel with things to European, American, etc.
  41. Camouflet
    0
    16 August 2014 22: 17
    Of course, the main damage caused to the Ukrainian economy by the war in the Donbass is that very significant funds are spent on its conduct.


    It is a myth. The remaining, inoperative equipment that could not be sold is disposed of. And in itself, it is already worthless. Unless, like scrap metal. The troops practically do not pay anything, do not supply food, etc. And most importantly - they do not want to declare war. And since there is no war, then there are no double-triple length of service and everything else that is connected with this. Ukrovors steal everything. In addition, a lot of illegal armed groups (unwarranted warrior formations) are kept at the expense of odious oligarchs. And besides! Kiev does not contain Donbass! Neither fighters, nor citizen population and all that jazz.
    On the contrary, Kiev is just saving!
    This is just for them the war - the mother is native.

    Now they are pulling away everything that remains. Take it, who can!

    The damage is mainly due to the destruction of production and the introduction of "sanctions" on Russia.

    In short, the world has not yet seen such moronity.
  42. Camouflet
    +1
    16 August 2014 22: 33
    And until someone from the outside stops this bloody bacchanalia, there will be no rest on the long-suffering land of Ukraine.

    But this is just not necessary. Everyone who gets involved actively in this conflict will lose. Here, everything should burn out completely by itself. And peace will come when there is not a single banderlog left.
  43. 0
    16 August 2014 22: 35
    It seems to me there is no need to stop them and save them in winter. The outskirts, like a harmful child, need a good spanking, otherwise they will not understand anything again. Good Uncle Vova or Aunt Angela will come and save everyone. Do you think you will hear the words of gratitude in return? Aha - wait ... They will warm up, eat away and start their own organ again - about how beautiful they are, in white hats and coats, great "outskirts", the whole world rests on them and everyone owes them. I repeat once again - whipping with a belt, since the words are no longer understood.
  44. +1
    16 August 2014 23: 29
    Soon they will sing: Ukraine has not died. Evil Ukraine ....
    The trouble is that in Novorossia it is still worse. There is no light, heat, water, food, money, and now, and housing ... How will people survive there?
  45. +2
    17 August 2014 01: 37
    I’m afraid that they’ll ban me for the mat, if I post it as it is, but without the mat there is no way, so I will give a link. Implications for Eurofarmers.
    http://www.yaplakal.com/forum7/topic889078.html
    1. +1
      17 August 2014 23: 41
      MMMDYA. Mata 50%, but the author thinks correctly. Laid out on the shelves and not from ours, but from that side. Thanks for the link. bully
  46. 0
    17 August 2014 08: 35
    Urkaina succeeded in organizing MaidanOv. In the European Union, they still show themselves, which are white and fluffy. Let the old senile Geyropa dance. She will know how to contact fools ...
  47. Yuriy_K
    -1
    17 August 2014 09: 32
    Material in the range of such a phenomenon as "projection" - the appropriation of their cockroaches to other people, here - Ukraine. It is Russia that is creeping into an inevitable crisis, and is building it explicitly, striving for it by all means.
    Now the main task of the System is to provoke a crisis so that the people, as in Germany and the USSR in 1933, frightened by hunger, fall at the feet of the savior of the nation and give him carte blanche for mobilization economies and repressions, as a way to find means for modernization and cheap labor. ..
    Again, a vertical pyramid (fascist in its essence) is rapidly forming, all branches of government, politics, business, media, culture, art, and the church are being built into the hierarchy of lackeys. Those who did not fit in - the enemy, the fifth column, national traitors. This pyramid is a form of militaristic command, not peaceful government. It is inadequate to market conditions, logically it reduces everything to collapse in order to find adequacy in mobilization, and there "successes of the first five-year plans" are inevitable ...
    Then, however, again the provocation of a great war - a new mobilization is needed. defeat, Nuremberg ...
    The essence of the fascist process - http://ideo.ru/fascism.html
  48. 0
    17 August 2014 10: 09
    It turns out like this .. A situation is created when the country is heading towards disintegration at full steam. This is me about Ukraine. Why fight, send troops .. Soon everything will fall apart, anarchy and another redistribution of power. At this moment, you need to hurry up and take what is bad and you like it better. This is me about Russia. And this is probably correct, despite all the ugliness of the situation. Yes, people feel sorry, but we are doing everything we can. Humanitarian aid, aid to refugees .. And most importantly, everything is within the framework of international law and without war (for Russia, of course) Maybe this is Putin's "plan"?
  49. Aleksandr68
    0
    17 August 2014 13: 57
    No matter how cynical it sounds, in this situation no one is sorry. For the creatures that are under the power of different citizenships, like a fool wrappers (they will run away in the case of a schucher). And to ordinary people, if they fool him so easily for 23 years, no one will help.
  50. Kosanovskaya74
    0
    17 August 2014 17: 03
    Not only in Kiev and in other large regional centers it will be fun. God forbid that autumn throughout the country was rainy and cold and early winter with -30g frost. We think so in Odessa
  51. +1
    17 August 2014 23: 30
    Quote: svp67
    где тогда деньги брать на всё остальное...


    Странный вопрос. Там же, где христарадничали до того - шантажировать ЕС перекрытием трубы и под это дело просить, просить, просить... bully
  52. 0
    18 August 2014 10: 29
    Олигархи - враг всему живому.

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