The first "Mistral" will be equipped with weapons in St. Petersburg

The landing ship dock of the Mistral type, called Vladivostok, will go to St. Petersburg after acceptance. There at the shipyard "Severnaya Verf" he will be equipped with domestic systems weaponsreports the website of the State Corporation Rosteh with reference to the head of the Rosoboronexport delegation at the exhibition “Engineering Technologies” Igor Sevastyanov.

"Ship" Vladivostok "is completed. Crews are quartered at Saint-Nazaire. Their training began. All work is on schedule. At the Severnaya Verf, it will be equipped with Russian-made weapons. ”- told Sevastyanov.

The crews of amphibious assault ship docking ships “Vladivostok” and “Sevastopol” are currently in France on the training ship “Smolny”. Vladivostok is already launched and several times went to sea. It is assumed that the manufacturer will transfer it to the Russian sailors this fall.

The contract for the construction of two Mistral docking ships was concluded between Rosoboronexport and French DCNS in June 2011. The Russian Shipbuilding Corporation acted as a subcontractor of the French shipyard STX France located in Saint-Nazaire. The first ship "Vladivostok" was launched in October 2013.

It was built in stages. The aft part was manufactured in Russia at LLC Baltic Plant - Shipbuilding and then sent to France, where it was docked with the nose part manufactured at the STX France shipyards.

The length of the “Mistral” is 199 m, width is 32 m, the depth (up to the level of the flight deck) is 27 m. The vessel’s draft is 6,42 meters (with a displacement of 22,6 ths. Tons) passengers –18,5, crew - 481 people.

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[RUSOIVAN]

Well, at least the weapons on this trough will be decent !!!

[DVxa]

It will at least look silly if NATO weapons are placed on board. There should not be any unification in this matter.

[Spnsr]

Quote: DVxa

It will at least look silly if NATO weapons are placed on board. There should not be any unification in this matter.

that’s the whole point of the reason why they don’t refuse to deliver the Mistrals to us, well, except for the fines, of course, the platform is fitted there for Russian weapons, and so NATO didn’t buy it, like get out yourself ...

[armageddon]

Hmm ... The farm and a machine gun come in handy !!! Not to mention the Mistral !!!

[Basarev]

I heard terrible things. They say that during the modernization of the Ka-29 they are completely disfigured, having made purely transport helicopters from combat helicopters. Gentlemen, think about it! This is even more absurd than remaking the Mi-24 into an eight!

[Duke]

Redevelopment of the helicopter KA-29:
1. Equipping the helicopter with a completely new digital “glass cabin”, which in turn will make it possible to abandon the bulky equipment of the Soviet design, and the weight saved can be used to install light onboard armor or onboard conformal fuel tanks for the search and rescue version of the Ka-33.
2. Increasing the length of the landing cabin from 4,5m to 5,5m due to the complete release of the avionics tail compartment from all equipment. This can be achieved by dismantling the onboard systems designed to provide shock capabilities, as well as moving the rest of the equipment to existing racks behind the cockpit. Equipping the helicopter with modern digital systems and equipment will increase the total volume and mass of the avionics, which will require less space for its installation.
3. The increase in the height of the landing cockpit to 1,5-1,6m by lowering its floor to 20-30cm. This should be ensured by the elimination of the central weapon compartment and a decrease in the height of the fuel tank bins with a simultaneous increase in their area due to the placement of tanks under the entire floor area of ​​the landing cockpit. This will save the existing amount of fuel on board, or even increase it when using onboard conformal tanks. Podkabinnye fuel tanks will need to be protected, and the cockpit floor should provide protection for the crew and the landing force from bullets of small arms of caliber 7,62 mm.
4. Increase the width of the amphibious assault cab on the 20-30cm to 1,5-1,6м due to the expansion of the helicopter's fuselage to the width of its front. That is, the width of the fuselage of the helicopter should be the same throughout its length and correspond to the width of the front of the fuselage Ka-29.
5. The elimination of the mounting system for external suspension arms on the pylons, which will save the take-off weight that will be needed for additional reservations or an increase in fuel reserves.

[Duke]

6. Moving and changing the door amphibious cabin. The door on the left side needs to be replaced with a stern lowering ramp, which will require redesign of the tail boom. In fact, it is necessary to move the tail boom above so that the stabilizers are attached to its lower part with struts located above the stabilizers. The dorsal compartment of the equipment, in which the APU and the cabin heating system are located, will smoothly pass into the tail boom. The bottom surface of the tail boom must be flat and located on the same level with stabilizers, to ensure the passage under it of a man in full growth. Thus, the position of stabilizers and carinae in relation to the fuselage and the ground will not change. The tail boom must be made less massive to reduce its weight, in order to avoid shifting the center of gravity of the helicopter in connection with raising the tail boom. And in the design of stabilizers, keels, elevators and directions you need to make maximum use of composite materials. The door on the starboard side of the helicopter near the cockpit can be left unchanged.

7. The number of paratroopers on board must be brought to 20 people. 10 folding seats to place along the left side, 9 folding seats along the right side, and a folding chair commander amphibious units in the cockpit. It is advisable to place the commander of the airborne group between the pilots in order to include it in the process of choosing a helicopter landing site for landing, first, and secondly, to increase its operational awareness of the tactical situation at the site of the intended landing.
8. It is also necessary to modify the cargo securing system on the external sling. This will be required for fast attachment of cargo on the external sling and equally quick detachment of it for use by the landing force, especially considering that the possibilities for transporting cargo inside the landing cabin are severely limited by its small volume.
The implementation of all the above activities will improve the conditions for the presence of paratroopers on board the helicopter, reduce the speed of landing and loading personnel of the Marine Corps units on the helicopter, and simplify loading and unloading operations.

[BIP PS FSB RF]

Stupidity, you wrote. On the contrary, infantry divisions ask for attack helicopters with the possibility of transporting the wounded. That's why MI-28 is very in demand.

[BIP PS FSB RF]

I wonder what kind of wicked me zaminus? KA-52 fan without external armor?

[Giant thought]

All weapons of our production will be on Mistral, as agreed. Now I would have no problem picking him up and driving him to Petersburg.

[Wanderer H7]

Why did Medvedev buy this dudukou shelter ?! This is where we carry these helicopters ?! And Putin didn’t rule anyway, even as the prime minister ... That's where we get 2 barges with 16 helicopters for the money ?! It was possible to build another submarine-borea or ash, and still half a billion would remain ... Still, our leadership has absolutely no strategy whatsoever. If only there was a pipe and money from it ... EVERYTHING.

[Juborg]

Such a huge trough and only 481 people can carry. If you put the 482nd, he’ll drown to hell with a dog, so what?

[BIP PS FSB RF]

Quote: RUSOIVAN

Well, at least the weapons on this trough will be decent !!!

Trough? Mr. does not understand the sacred meaning of these ships.
I am glad that the first one for the Pacific Fleet was named in honor of his native city - Vladivostok.

[Hairy Siberian]

Quote: BIP PS FSB RF

Such a huge trough and only 481 people can carry. If you put the 482nd, he’ll drown to hell with a dog, so what?

Mistral Crew:
160 people (20 officers) + 450 marines (900 marines for a short range).

[Sergey Vl.]

For Hokkaido, these 481 people are comparable to the tsunami.
I think my native plant will arm these airplanes accordingly.

[theadenter]

It seems to me that this ship was not needed by Russia. The goal is to make the contract a powerful lever for the French.

[Wolka]

eh, than we are stuffing this suitcase ...

[avt]

Quote: Volka

eh, than we are stuffing this suitcase.

Quote: RUSOIVAN

Well, at least the weapons on this trough will be decent !!!

God forbid to equip it with shock weapons! Turntables do not count.

Quote: pomegranate

I hope they will install DUET, and KASHTAN.

That’s the neighbor’s self-defense and that’s it. His weapon is an assault force and means of its landing, plus BIUS, etc. And drums and guard ships to him - a separate song.

[Spnsr]

Quote: Volka

eh, than we are stuffing this suitcase ...

not, well, Vladimir Vladimirovich said that we already have developments that we ourselves don’t know about ....

[Vend]

Withstood France, US pressure. Well done. It will be necessary to build our own, only better.

[volot-voin]

Quote: Wend

Withstood France, US pressure. Well done. It will be necessary to build our own, only better.

And where was she to go? Collapse your economy and be left alone with your trough, but with the praise of the United States, or still fulfill the contract and get paid for it.

[Hairy Siberian]

Quote: volot-voin

And where was she to go? Collapse your economy and be left alone with your trough, but with the praise of the United States, or still fulfill the contract and get paid for it.

I think 1, 2, 3, 10 (a fine of the BNP of Paris by the Americans), 20 billion euros cannot bring down the French economy.
Here, obviously, it is a matter of prestige of France as a state with an independent policy and a reliable supplier of military equipment.
And we need the Mistral, besides all other useful things, our marines will be happy! I even envy.

[pomegranate]

I hope to put DUET and CHESTNUT.

[Dezinto]

I hope they’ll put such beauty there:

[pomegranate]

THIS IS A CHESTNUT, a powerful contraption !!!!

[Stypor23]

Perhaps I’ll put such a thing in my country house.

[RusDV]

Quote: Stypor23

Perhaps I’ll put such a thing in my country house.

If the cottage in Kunashir .... why not ....

[Stypor23]

Quote: RusDV

If the cottage in Kunashir .... why not ....

On the shore of the Kara Sea. There, at the same time, it will be possible to cover the Norilsk Nickel from the enemy, for example.

[Rostislav]

From the curious to fight back?

[Stypor23]

Quote: Rostislav

From the curious to fight back?

Yes, I got drugs, go poppy beg.

[pomegranate]

That DUET 10 rounds per minute for 000 km hits
knocks down everything that moves !!!!

[donavi49]

Unfortunately, not all. And according to the LMS from AK-630M is not different, only the performance of the fire x2.

Now MZA is going through hard times, for it came quite cheap and compact missiles. Following the USA (ROME blocks, later MZA was removed as archaism on the Berks), the Chinese, Jews and Indians (well, they have a small Barak are identical) put the destroyers in a series and Europeans work in this direction.

But for now, besides Bending - which is actually a MANPADS with a stable platform and a normal SLA, we have nothing and this is bad .

[figter]

donavi49
Now MZA is going through hard times, for it came quite cheap and compact missiles. Following the USA (ROME blocks, later MZA was removed as archaism on the Berks), the Chinese, Jews and Indians (well, they have a small Barak are identical) put the destroyers in a series and Europeans work in this direction.

MZA and missile systems perform different tasks and can not survive because of missiles because of bad times. SAM works to destroy, MZA - puts obstructive fire, preventing the flight and the execution of aviation missions, and also works to achieve the goal after the destruction of missiles. In addition, it is the best way to deal with enemy helicopters. In this way, they complement each other, not compete. If some countries with a theory of combat use of weapons are weak, this does not mean that they need to be compared.

[Kulakov_Dmitry]

"Master, do you have a job?"

[donavi49]

No.

2хАК-630 (not duets, maybe they’ll shove the version with the stealthcap, but in the databases the usual ones).
2x Bending with Needle-C.
6 MTPU + several dozen mounts for machine guns.


Chestnuts / M have not been produced for 10 years, the latter was collected from the Wise from the spare parts, residues in the warehouse and the old, removed complex, at the expense of the drowned man from the Wise.

The broadswords were thrown back even under Vysotsky, because you have to be smart in the project, there were not enough volumes. The shells do not have time.

[vlad-ns]

About the resignation of Strelkov. Motivation in connection with the transition to another job.

In fact, as mentioned earlier, the foiled backstage negotiations with the Ukrainian oligarchy have not gone away. Strelkov only temporarily tore them, which led to the rapid intensification of hostilities. But work in this direction continued, which gave a natural result.

The resignation of Valery Bolotov from the post of head of the Lugansk People’s Republic is associated with the increasing influence of the largest Ukrainian oligarch Rinat Akhmetov on the fate of the self-proclaimed republics of New Russia. This version was expressed to a correspondent of the Federal News Agency by a source close to the leadership of the Lugansk People’s Republic
Valery Bolotov said on Thursday that he was stepping down. “I decided to temporarily leave the post of head of the Lugansk People’s Republic. The consequences of the wound do not allow me to fully work in this post for the benefit of the Luhansk people in difficult wartime, ”he explained. Bolotov was wounded in mid-May as a result of an assassination attempt. At the same time, the ex-head of the LPR emphasized that he was not "going to leave the front." The candidacy of the current Minister of Defense of the LPR Igor Plotnitsky was proposed for the post of head of the Lugansk Republic.
“The resignation of Valery Bolotov from the post of prime minister of the LNR is due to the same reasons as the resignation of Aleksandr Borodai from the post of prime minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic a few days earlier, namely, by the consent of Rinat Akhmetov and related structures to support the Novorossiya project, which required allocation of “a controlling block of political shares” in the South-East of Ukraine, ”the source said.
At the same time, the agency’s interlocutor suggested that rumors about the wounding of the Minister of Defense of the DPR Igor Strelkov were specially circulated by the special services of the militias to explain his absence in Donetsk, which, apparently, will last at least until the end of this week.

[Gray 43]

Can it really come to armament ??? And then all the sanctions, sanctions ... It has been historically proven that our weapons are no worse than foreign models

[silver169]

Hurry! I can't wait for that happy day when the Vladivostok will join the fleet.

[Russ69]

By the way, by the end of the year the first four Ka-4Ks will be handed over to the Navy for Vladivostok ...

[Uncle]

are in France on the Smolny training ship

Greetings to the one who named the warship that way. Smolny is an institute for noble maidens.

[Andrey Skokovsky]

Quote: Uncle

Greetings to the one who named the warship that way. Smolny is an institute for noble maidens.

it’s just that you’re stuck in the historical stretch until 1917.
I advise you to read the history of the USSR and you will understand that after the October coup of 1917, the semantic meaning of Smolny forever became different,
Smolny is the headquarters, the point of concentration of management and power ...
Great name for a ship, combat and historical.

[RUSOIVAN]

I went there 2 times at sea, but I did not see the girls. Did they hide something from me?

[Serg65]

Quote: RUSOIVAN

I went there 2 times at sea, but I did not see the girls. Did they hide something from me?

Ivan, did you look in the car under floorboards ??? ... right now, super-miramals will begin to sing songs about the Mistrals !!!!

[RUSOIVAN]

Damn: but I think that it was the mechanic who drove us: that’s the thing !!!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: RUSOIVAN

Did they hide something from me?

In our unit, the milk carrier slept somehow. And only in the morning, upon departure, the driver said that the tank was with alcohol. That was a bummer. But he gave the foreman a bowler hat, and he gave us a bow. And if in the evening they knew ...
Maybe you also, women like Tajiks hid in non-residential premises?

[vlad-ns]

Akhmetov intends to send humanitarian aid in the amount of at least 10 thousand tons to Donetsk and Lugansk regions
Businessman Rinat Akhmetov instructed the Humanitarian Headquarters to deliver humanitarian aid in the amount of at least 10 thousand tons to the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, the total cost of which is at least 100 mln. This was reported by the press service of the Humanitarian Headquarters "Help" with the fund of Rinat Akhmetov.
We are talking about the delivery of foodstuffs (at least 6 thousand tons.), Personal hygiene products, baby food, and medicines to these areas. In total, the Humanitarian flight will be delivered from nearby regions in tranches to specially equipped transshipment bases in the Donetsk region, from where it will be transferred in smaller batches to cities and regions of the region that are in dire need of help. The cargo will be delivered in columns on 100 trucks capable of transporting up to 2 thousand tons of assistance in one trip.
The first flight is already being formed and will leave for the Donetsk region around 20 of August.
The Humanitarian Headquarters “Help” under the Rinat Akhmetov Foundation works in four areas: the evacuation of people from the war zone; accommodation of immigrants; humanitarian assistance; the provision of targeted assistance, ”the report said.
The PR of the new-old benefactor has begun.
It didn’t work through their clients in Donetsk, they went through Moscow. Of course, Strelkov also had other posts in the leadership of the DPR, but the obvious systematic reset of the military-political leaders in the DPR and LPR indicates that for the ongoing negotiations, their lack of maturity was an obstacle.
The argument that they had to be removed in order to put in the locals is somewhat absurd, given that recently, a citizen of Russia Antyufeev, who is the Minister of State Security of the DPR, sent from Moscow to clean up the consequences of the foiled conspiracy in Donetsk.

It goes without saying that Strelkov's departure means a strong blow to the "war party", as well as the appearance of Akhmetov in the current combinations. Apparently, a decision was made to lead the case to some kind of collusion and "big Transnistria", which in July was the subject of bargaining with all the same Akhmetov. Throwing stuff about a "united pro-Russian Ukraine" is intended to camouflage a possible public funeral of Great Novorossiya.

PS. However, it is worth considering the option of the lack of maturity of the fascist junta, which its foreign owners drive the war to, so it’s not at all necessary that negotiations with Akhmetov will lead to tangible results.

[schizophrenic]

Please comment on the policy of Novorosia in other sections.

[Vitalka]

Yes, do not care ... Politics ... Akhmetov, Strelkov, Beard, Bolotov ... People are dying. Mostly innocent children and women. When in Novorossia with idiots from Kiev they will agree on PEACE. All the same, you have to!

[Arh]

So that mechanics know it all from cogs to sophisticated equipment, so that they themselves can fix the breakdown in case of something! Well, our weapon is the way to go !!!

[rotmistr60]

France is simply afraid of losing money (contract, penalty in cases of non-fulfillment). Here you have to bend under pressure from the United States, but, as they say, "your shirt is closer to your body."

[donavi49]

For the time being they are supplying - for mandatory sanctions prohibit working on contracts from the moment sanctions are introduced. And the old ones act. Well, it depends on the country. For example, Merkel sold everything to RheinMetall and Mulino (domestic simulators will be there, but not now, and plans to break in the first brigades this year have already collapsed), and a bunch of others, starting from the Boxer, who practically took them to twist before the new year - there hitches, holidays, and finally had to sign in early March, but it didn’t work out, ending with the arrow and components.

But the French pretend that everything is OK, not only in the Mistrals, but also in other areas, for example, cooperation with Thales does not interrupt and even grows. Although the new AESA will not give for sure, but those topics that worked continue to work.

[raketnik]

You don’t look and you’ll get the normal useful, the main thing is to coordinate all the systems, and you won’t call the crafts

[Matrosov]

Quote: Wend

Withstood France, US pressure. Well done. It will be necessary to build our own, only better.

Quote: DEZINTO

I hope they’ll put such beauty there:

Well, in the first place, I haven’t withstood it completely, that's how they will put everything so precisely (another question is whether they will obstruct transportation).
Secondly, let’s put it, this is one of the most likely modules, especially since the ship will be mainly armed with air defense, there will be few strike weapons, tea is not a cruiser.

[abc_02]

Also the norm news:
The EU is not ready to include Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics (LPR and DPR) in the list of “terrorist organizations”, the Latvian Foreign Minister Edgars Rinkevich admitted upon arrival at an emergency meeting of the EU Council at the level of foreign ministers.

“I believe it is very important that under the guise of humanitarian assistance there should be no interference in the affairs of Ukraine,” ITAR-TASS quoted Rynkevich as saying.

He also expressed hope that the ministers will continue to discuss the inclusion of the LPR and the DPR in the European list of terrorist organizations. “Today this decision will not be made, it is a lengthy process,” he emphasized, expressing the opinion that over time it “will need to be completed.”

The EU Council has intensified the discussion on the inclusion of the LPR and the DPR in the list of terrorist organizations after the Malaysian Boeing air crash, however, a number of community countries insist on completing the investigation of this incident before making a final decision.

[Ptah]

Quote: schizophrenic

Please comment on the policy on Novorosia in other sections.

I join this request.

[Serg65]

Quote: Uncle

are in France on the Smolny training ship

Greetings to the one who named the warship that way. Smolny is an institute for noble maidens.

Don't touch Smolny, Herod! He gave half of the future officers of the Navy a ticket to the sea !!!

[Dezinto]

We have a lot of "gizmos" for ships ... the best weapon is Russian!

[Dezinto]

Duet.......

[el.krokodil]

Quote: RUSOIVAN

Well, at least the weapons on this trough will be decent !!!

let it first enter our territorial waters, and then we will arm it .. otherwise the adversary is plotting ..

[Roman 1977]

Well, enough of that, they will have the French DKA-4 CTM NG (on each). The first is already built, and the rest are launched and are being completed on the water.

We tried to put our submarines pr. 1176 "Akula", pr. 11770 "Serna" and pr. 21280 "Dugong", but there were problems with the gates of the dock chamber and the height of the submarine. And our DSCs are not intended, except for project 1176 "Akula" (6 of which were based on the large landing craft of project 1174 "Rhino" for UDC.
However, there is a problem with the air group:
According to the plan, each Mistal-type UDC must carry 16 helicopters: 8 Ka-52K fire support helicopters, 8 Ka-29 transport and combat helicopters

http://russian-ships.info/boevye/mistral.htm

There are no problems with Ka-52K. On 8 on April of this year, the Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the supply of 32 carrier-based Ka-52K helicopters.

http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/08/ka52k/

Moreover, the first three Ka-52K deck helicopters will be handed over to the Russian Navy before the end of the 2014 year.

The first three Ka-52K helicopters for Russian Mistral-class amphibious assault ships will be ready by the end of the year. They will be able to land and operate from the Vladivostok spacecraft after its arrival in Russia, "said Sergey Mikheev, General Designer of Kamov.

http://flot.com/news/navy/?ELEMENT_ID=169616

But with Ka-29 the situation is more complicated. In total, during the serial production, from 1984 to 1991, the 59 Ka-29 was produced at the helicopter plant in Kumertau.

Since the mid-1990s, part of the helicopters was allegedly transferred from the Naval Aviation to the Ministry of Internal Affairs aviation, which is unlikely, since he served in the Air Force, and in addition, there is a separate mixed aviation regiment in Near Borisov (8 km from N. Novgorod) VV MVD (military unit No. 3797), whose planes and helicopters are based at Strigino Airport. Personally, I know some pilots from this regiment, they did not have any Ka-29. Maybe someone will clarify the situation? At present, the Navy (BF, SF, Pacific Fleet) includes 30 Ka-29 (4 went to Ukrainina, 3 of them still serve, 1 in 2011 was sold to Equatorial Guinea).
2 UDC requires at least 16 Ka-29. In 2012, the modernization of only the 10 Ka-29, intended for UDC of the Mistral type, consisting in the installation of modern weapons and an electronic base, began.

http://flotprom.ru/news/?ELEMENT_ID=122674

Those. unlike the Ka-52K, which have been ordered for at least 2 UDCs, the Ka-29 has been ordered for only one. We conclude that other transport and combat helicopters, possibly the Ka-60 "Kasatka", will be based on the second UDC.

[donavi49]

Ka-29 was ordered to load the enterprise onto the ring, and then it would be possible to order without 2-year wait.

The problem is that the package on the Ka-29 does not exist in its entirety, for example, on a prototype, like the Ka-27M, which flies and is ordered even after 2 years of testing, development and editing.

First you need to assemble the entire designer, and something from what needs to be assembled does not yet exist in the metal. Therefore, this is a long process, and 10 pieces, installation lot. If it doesn’t take off, there will be a kapitalka with elements of modernization of the available Ka-29 for loading, if it takes off, then an additional order.

[el.krokodil]

Quote: vlad-ns

Akhmetov intends to send humanitarian aid in the amount of at least 10 thousand tons to Donetsk and Lugansk regions
Businessman Rinat Akhmetov instructed the Humanitarian Headquarters to deliver humanitarian aid in the amount of at least 10 thousand tons to the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, the total cost of which is at least 100 mln. This was reported by the press service of the Humanitarian Headquarters "Help" with the fund of Rinat Akhmetov.
We are talking about the delivery of foodstuffs (at least 6 thousand tons.), Personal hygiene products, baby food, and medicines to these areas. In total, the Humanitarian flight will be delivered from nearby regions in tranches to specially equipped transshipment bases in the Donetsk region, from where it will be transferred in smaller batches to cities and regions of the region that are in dire need of help. The cargo will be delivered in columns on 100 trucks capable of transporting up to 2 thousand tons of assistance in one trip.
The first flight is already being formed and will leave for the Donetsk region around 20 of August.
The Humanitarian Headquarters “Help” under the Rinat Akhmetov Foundation works in four areas: the evacuation of people from the war zone; accommodation of immigrants; humanitarian assistance; the provision of targeted assistance, ”the report said.
The PR of the new-old benefactor has begun.
It didn’t work through their clients in Donetsk, they went through Moscow. Of course, Strelkov also had other posts in the leadership of the DPR, but the obvious systematic reset of the military-political leaders in the DPR and LPR indicates that for the ongoing negotiations, their lack of maturity was an obstacle.
The argument that they had to be removed in order to put in the locals is somewhat absurd, given that recently, a citizen of Russia Antyufeev, who is the Minister of State Security of the DPR, sent from Moscow to clean up the consequences of the foiled conspiracy in Donetsk.

It goes without saying that Strelkov's departure means a strong blow to the "war party", as well as the appearance of Akhmetov in the current combinations. Apparently, a decision was made to lead the case to some kind of collusion and "big Transnistria", which in July was the subject of bargaining with all the same Akhmetov. Throwing stuff about a "united pro-Russian Ukraine" is intended to camouflage a possible public funeral of Great Novorossiya.

PS. However, it is worth considering the option of the lack of maturity of the fascist junta, which its foreign owners drive the war to, so it’s not at all necessary that negotiations with Akhmetov will lead to tangible results.

offtopic and Svidomo propaganda like your Akhmetov for buns in a difficult situation he wants to buy influence .. let his humanitarian aid ..- he sends Palestinians .. and Donbass-RUSSIA will fraternally help .. without second thoughts ..

[padded jacket]

Possible self-defense weapons of "Sevastopol" and "Vladivostok":
ZAC Duet:

ZRAK Palm (Broadsword) (video in English):

[Wiruz]

I hope that instead of 2 it’s Flexible and 2 AK-630 will put on it 4 ZRAK Kashtan (aka Palma, aka Dirk). Someone mentioned plans to install on the ship A-192, in my opinion it will be superfluous there. IMHO

[Roman 1977]

Quote: Wiruz

I hope that instead of 2 it’s Flexible and 2 AK-630 will put on it 4 ZRAK Kashtan (aka Palma, aka Dirk). Someone mentioned plans to install on the ship A-192, in my opinion it will be superfluous there. IMHO

This is nothing, here some will say that they are going to put Club-K on the domestic Mistrals, if they only find a place.

Well, as for air defense, the 3M87 "Kortik / Kashtan" with a range of 1500-8000 m and a maximum height of 3500 m. Or the 3M89 "Palma / Broadsword" is of course preferable as the 3M-47 "Gibka" with MANPADS "Igla" and AK-306 or AK-630M-2 "Duet"
But ideally, of course, I would like to have VTOL aircraft based on such ships, both for solving air defense problems, as well as for delivering strikes against surface and ground targets. Unfortunately, in the 90 they destroyed the Yak-141, which was the FIRST WORLDWIDE SUPERSONIC airplane with vertical take-off and landing.

[donavi49]

Only on deck in containers. But why? The caliber will be at 11356 / 22350 / 20385 which will accompany them in the seas. The main weapon of UDC is the air group and the landing. Putting something secondary to the detriment of the air group and the landing on the UDC crime. Moreover, since we do not learn from other people's mistakes, we need to learn from our own. Nothing good from cruising weapons on aircraft carriers failed .

[Aljavad]

Unfortunately in the 90s, the Yak-141 was ruined

Sorry for Yak!

[Vitalka]

Mistral - on a fig this trough is necessary for our Navy? Especially in the Far East? Landing on Japan? It’s easier to make a deep-sea trench from this island. Can .. take over Australia? Why do we need their kangaroo?

[Aljavad]

Why do we need their kangaroo?

A good owner of "theirs" kangaroo on the farm will always come in handy!

[rumata63]

what kind of passengers are we talking about in the description, you probably need to learn a letter, DESCENT.

[cachekmosa]

I don’t know how anyone, but I still associate it with a missile trap, a ship the size of an Eiffel tower (probably because it’s French))))

[Aljavad]

associated with a missile trap,

About rockets. Iran loves to brag about missiles. Established production of the C-802 anti-ship missile system under the Chinese license. He called it "Nur" and gave it to Hezbollah - to test it on the Jews.
In 2006, Hezbollah in Lebanon committed RCC to the Israeli Hanit corvette, which did not expect such meanness at all - it did not include air defense, peacefully blocked Lebanon from the sea. There was a big scandal. And the damage? Corvette demolished a helipad and 4 sailors.
Is that damage, I ask? It's worth it?
And the rocket was considered quite modern. Not what rubbish.
"These missiles were installed on new and modernized Iranian frigates, corvettes, hovercraft, missile boats, and the production of anti-ship missile systems (SCRC) with them was established."

[AREOPAG23]

It’s good that we will have more power, and how the geopolitical situation will tell you how to use them, I think such ships would not hurt during the time of forcing Georgia to peace, and perhaps would help save the lives of many of our peacekeepers ..

[Serbor]

In any case, they’ve already bought what to break the spears now. Now we need to think about the infrastructure for it. As for weapons, there is really no information, but recently the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy said something about air defense systems and anti-submarine weapons of the Mistral. I am not special and it is not for me to judge how to arm these pelvis, if only its basic functions would not be affected. And in my opinion, there are no alternatives to it in our fleet according to its amphibious and humanitarian capabilities.

[BIP PS FSB RF]

Quote: BIP PS FSB RF

Stupidity, you wrote. On the contrary, infantry divisions ask for attack helicopters with the possibility of transporting the wounded. That's why MI-28 is very in demand.

Quote: BIP PS FSB RF

Stupidity, you wrote. On the contrary, infantry divisions ask for attack helicopters with the possibility of transporting the wounded. That's why MI-28 is very in demand.

Lord! We have to talk to ourselves! Well, minus no answer ... And now, about the MI-28, draw a bad component. I'll wait!

Z.Y. I want to speak out - Remember the revolution ... The people, a bad, not educated, went to tsarist Russia. Won - well done. And they said that the white army is the enemy. But they are not enemies, they are officers, they swore and defended what is close to them! They did not retreat, they went into battle to their full height!
I would like to see now every soldier of the RA with the same moral principles.
Amen!

[ast114]

And what shall we do with this barge?

[Coltxnumx]

Quote: Wanderer N7

Why did Medvedev buy this dudukou shelter ?! This is where we carry these helicopters ?! And Putin didn’t rule anyway, even as the prime minister ... That's where we get 2 barges with 16 helicopters for the money ?! It was possible to build another submarine-borea or ash, and still half a billion would remain ... Still, our leadership has absolutely no strategy whatsoever. If only there was a pipe and money from it ... EVERYTHING.

++ Gave you a plus for great alarmism! The cry of the soul and the climax of the mind are clearly visible. On the other hand, they are designed for "warm" waters, how will they behave in our winters? It is necessary to provide for heating not only the cockpits and deckhouses, but also weapons, cable and pipeline facilities and anti-icing of the hull.