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The care of Strelkov and Beard is not the end, but the beginning of a new plan, - expert

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The care of Strelkov and Beard is not the end, but the beginning of a new plan, - expert


The departure of Igor Strelkov, Alexander Boroday and Valeriy Bolotov is not the end of Novorossia, but quite likely the beginning of a new plan, in which local leaders from Donbass will play the main role, and not holders of Russian passports.

About this "Navigator" said Russian political analyst Pavel Nikanorov.

According to him, now there can be two options for the development of events - either Kiev will soon make peace with representatives of Donbass, or else the rebels will launch a real counter-offensive. "The military defeat of the DPR-LPR for Putin is excluded," said Nikanorov.

“The first option: the West with Putin inclined Poroshenko to conclude peace, because further sacrifices cannot be tolerated at all (probably, Western leaders feel an increase in public dissatisfaction with sanctions and their alarming consequences, and the ongoing bloody conflict is almost in the center of Europe). If Poroshenko managed to end the war in the near future, the West would have waited, but, apparently, Kiev would not be able to quickly, the time allowed by the curators for a blitzkrieg Poroshenko missed, and the world is not ready to wait even an extra two weeks: there is already enough firewood. And, perhaps, Poroshenko surrendered, but with one condition: to remove odious "rastiarennye" figures with Russian citizenship from the leadership of the DNR-LNR, so that his consent to the settlement agreement does not look like a complete political defeat.

(In the case of Bolotov, it was not his Russian citizenship that played the role — he was just local, but the fact that he had already become a symbol of resistance, and Kiev also did not want to see him at the negotiating table. Therefore, it was necessary to replace him with a less “untwisted figure”).

Summarizing the first version: Putin should avoid military defeat of the militia, the West can no longer tolerate the continuation of the conflict even a few weeks, and now fears the collapse of Ukraine itself, Poroshenko has exhausted all resources, and the country is on the verge of collapse. Therefore, a consensus has emerged - it is time to sit at the negotiating table, and after that - the struggle for Ukraine will go purely on a political plane.

The second is that Moscow has an understanding that you can safely “remove” your militia from the command posts in order to get rid of reproaches from the West for direct interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine and to act further only in line with soft power.

Moscow is confident that, despite Kiev’s vigorous reports and the plight of the militia on the fronts, it is able to hold urban agglomerations long enough to wear out Kiev (financially and reputationally) before it reaches its final military success, ”Nikanor explained.

“In addition, by removing Strelkov and Beard from leadership positions, and thus distancing himself from Novorossia, Putin calms public opinion inside Russia, which requires the earliest possible deployment of troops to help“ our militia. ” Now it is not “ours”, and we need to help it exclusively by diplomatic means, ”the analyst added.

“I understand one thing for sure that Putin will not allow Poroshenko’s military victory. And how he will not allow this - we will find out by the fact and not immediately, ”the expert concluded.
Originator:
http://www.politnavigator.net/ukhod-strelkova-i-bolotova-ehto-ne-konec-a-nachalo-novogo-plana-ehkspert.html
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  1. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 15 August 2014 06: 08
    +27
    I agree on 100%. The main thing is not to panic. A new stage in the fight against the junta. We will accept the new Strelkov - Nikolai Vladimirovich, what should we do soldier
    1. silver303
      silver303 15 August 2014 06: 12
      +9
      God forbid if everything is so.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 15 August 2014 06: 18
        +5
        Yesterday I saw the TSN programs - "classified materials" - about the "new Maidan" and about the leadership of the militia - "Putin's servants" - well, and the disgusting, fragments from various interviews edited by students, the primitive is shorter ...
    2. mad
      mad 15 August 2014 06: 54
      +14
      Igor Ivanovich went into the shadows, and not from the real control of the militia. In half a year, he will receive the title of Honorary Citizen of the City of Hero of Slavyansk and will come out of the shadows;)
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 15 August 2014 09: 51
        +7
        there is an opinion that "other work" is the organization of new centers of resistance to the junta on the Ruin, and here, given Transnistria, the eye naturally turns to Odessa.
        1. Scandinavian
          Scandinavian 15 August 2014 10: 18
          +3
          Listen to Pavel Gubarev about Strelkov’s resignation.

        2. figter
          figter 15 August 2014 11: 57
          +1
          I join your opinion. The US is clearly not stopping. If Ukraine did not succeed in tying Russia into a conflict, they will do so in Moldova and Transnistria.
      2. 222222
        222222 15 August 2014 11: 43
        +2
        mad (1) RU Today, 06:54 ↑ New
        Igor Ivanovich withdrew into the shadows, and not from the real control of the militia troops. "
        ... the vanguard must go ahead of the main troops. Firststein?
    3. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 15 August 2014 06: 59
      +7
      “I understand one thing for sure that Putin will not allow Poroshenko’s military victory.

      We also didn’t doubt it. The defeat of New Russia would be a defeat for Russia, well, with all the consequences, problems with the Crimea, etc. The GVP has not yet made a single strategic mistake, God grant that this continues. , it is advisable to do without open armed conflicts. We need to raise the well-being of ordinary citizens. But if forced, the answer will not take long, the strike will be lightning fast. Russia has something to respond to aggression.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 August 2014 07: 10
      +7
      Quote: Scandinavian
      I agree 100%. The main thing is not to panic

      And who is panicking here, this Ukrainians are again in mourning winkedToday..
      AIDAR! AIDAR! AIDAR! AIDAR! AIDAR!
      22-200
      36-300
      4 unrecognized .................................. ((((((((((((((
      EXTREMELY MEMORY OF HEROES!
      Mehed Petro Mykolajovych and deputy deputy who said especially at 2.39 ..... "I’m talking for a link, it’s like it’s been going to happen ...." razstrіluvali boys yak dogs !!!!!!!!! 22 lads can be saved !!!!!!!!!!!!! from 36 people will never live to see the wound !!!
      What is it? ?,,,,,
      1. nvv
        nvv 15 August 2014 07: 28
        +6
        “The first option: the West with Putin persuaded Poroshenko to conclude peace. Nonsense. Poroshenko no one has to pull him off. And the State Department does not need peace.
      2. rodevaan
        rodevaan 15 August 2014 11: 09
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/898/dhrn929.jpg,[/b]


        - Damn * fucking Nazis! These fascist rags pulled nits ... Aren't you ashamed of grandfathers? Critter, no normal words!

        Happiness, give me something-and-so-nothing, moral wisdom to the rosum, roam roam!
      3. lelikas
        lelikas 15 August 2014 20: 34
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        rozstrilyuvali patsaniv yak dogs !!!!!!!!!

        Why, yak?
    5. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 15 August 2014 07: 23
      +1
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Take the new Strelkov - Nikolai Vladimirovich, that we should

      Who would have doubted! Here it is the classic "foreign" position of the putriots!
    6. Bort radist
      Bort radist 15 August 2014 07: 23
      +7
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Take the new Strelkov - Nikolai Vladimirovich, that we should

      "I dream of returning from the war
      On which he was born and grew.
      On the ruins of a poor country
      In the rain of tears.
      But the tyrant is not interred,
      Declaring war on the country.
      And the end and edge of this war are not visible. ......

      Enemies sigh in relief
      And friends say: Tired
      Both are mistaken - this is a halt. "

      Igor Talkov
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 15 August 2014 09: 54
        0
        "universal soldier" - series 2 and further along the natural row
    7. Rusin Dima
      Rusin Dima 15 August 2014 09: 06
      +1
      And I do not agree, this is just the opinion of one person, and even more so a person who does not make any decisions, what kind of game is going on, only those who play this game know
    8. rodevaan
      rodevaan 15 August 2014 11: 07
      +1
      Quote: Scandinavian
      The departure of Igor Strelkov, Alexander Boroday and Valery Bolotov is not the end of New Russia, but, quite likely, the beginning of a new plan


      “I think so.” Shooters, Bolotov, Boroday, Gubarev - they did everything that was required of them, and they coped with the challenge with honors! And they are great!
      Now I think that Putin has a new plan to "please" our enemy Gayro-pindo-grief "partners" ...
    9. Er55
      Er55 15 August 2014 11: 41
      0
      I would like to think that our government protects us and gives us freedom of personal space, but alas, here http://yourssname.blogspot.com I was convinced of the opposite, here you can find data on any person in Russia. I decided to find myself and in just a few seconds I got a page on which there was an exhaustive profile about me. It’s good that you can hide the profile, as everyone can see it.
    10. Er55
      Er55 15 August 2014 11: 42
      0
      I would like to think that our government protects us and gives us freedom of personal space, but alas, here http://yourssname.blogspot.com I was convinced of the opposite, here you can find data on any person in Russia. I decided to find myself and in just a few seconds I got a page on which there was an exhaustive profile about me. It’s good that you can hide the profile, as everyone can see it. z
    11. Rus2012
      Rus2012 15 August 2014 11: 46
      0
      Quote: Scandinavian
      A new stage in the fight against the junta.


      There is another scenario -
      They say that today, following Bolotov, Strelkov was also removed. Borodai confirmed the information. Motivation in connection with the transition to another job.
      In fact, as I pointed out in July, the foiled backstage negotiations with the Ukrainian oligarchy did not go away. Strelkov only temporarily tore them, which led to the rapid intensification of hostilities. But work in this direction continued, which gave a natural result.
      The resignation of Valery Bolotov from the post of head of the Lugansk People’s Republic is associated with the increasing influence of the largest Ukrainian oligarch Rinat Akhmetov on the fate of the self-proclaimed republics of New Russia. This version was expressed to a correspondent of the Federal News Agency by a source close to the leadership of the Lugansk People’s Republic
      ...
      Akhmetov intends to send humanitarian aid in the amount of at least 10 thousand tons to Donetsk and Lugansk regions

      Businessman Rinat Akhmetov instructed the Humanitarian Headquarters to deliver humanitarian aid in the amount of at least 10 thousand tons to the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, the total cost of which is at least 100 mln. This was reported by the press service of the Humanitarian Headquarters "Help" with the fund of Rinat Akhmetov.
      We are talking about the delivery of foodstuffs (at least 6 thousand tons.), Personal hygiene products, baby food, and medicines to these areas. In total, the Humanitarian flight will be delivered from nearby regions in tranches to specially equipped transshipment bases in the Donetsk region, from where it will be transferred in smaller batches to cities and regions of the region that are in dire need of help. The cargo will be delivered in columns on 100 trucks capable of transporting up to 2 thousand tons of assistance in one trip.
      The first flight is already being formed and will leave for the Donetsk region around 20 of August.
      The Humanitarian Headquarters “Help” under the Rinat Akhmetov Foundation works in four areas: the evacuation of people from the war zone; accommodation of immigrants; humanitarian assistance; the provision of targeted assistance, ”the report said.

      http://news.newru.org/news/pro_otstavku_strelkova/2014-08-14-377
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 15 August 2014 11: 51
        +1
        Quote: Rus2012
        There is another scenario -

        and further -
        Khodakovsky:
        So you want to separate the DPR, put up a large concrete fence ... And all the others who are now under the yoke of the fascist junta, how do you think they will have to stay and bend there? Zaporizhzhya, Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkov regions? Or do you think that only their own reluctance did not involve them now in some kind of rebel action? Everyone is looking at us, everyone is counting on us, everyone is hoping for us that, having won here, we will develop a victorious offensive in all directions and free those who want to be liberated from the fascist junta that is now sitting on these lands.
        Unprecedented pressure is applied to people. The whole police car in Ukraine works to identify all, in their opinion, elements that are destabilizing, arrests are being made, people are being posted articles. If it already comes to the point that they are ready to immediately imprison people for refusing to mobilize people, then you can imagine the pressure under which those of our brothers are who have now fallen behind the rear of the Ukrainian army.
        Therefore, my words in this regard should be understood only as follows: that if I say the phrase “united pro-Russian Ukraine”, then the key word should be PRO-RUSSIAN. I don’t know what a moron you need to be in order not to understand or ignore it.

        This is essentially a program. Action program. Read on:

        If someone does not know, today a single headquarters of the command of the Southeast Army of New Russia, which is located in the city of Krasnodon, has been formed. I can just as successfully say that I submit to this single headquarters, which includes all the armed forces of New Russia. To date, the DNI and LC are parts of New Russia.

        But Novorossia is not the limit. New Russia is not an end in itself. Our goal in itself is to turn the tide in this entire war so that this fascist junta that came to our lands and the fraternal lands of Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya, Kherson, Nikolaev, reverse them, make them stretch, destroy and make sure after some time, all future generations forgot about them

        Finally, everything returned to normal. A single decision-making center has been created. Done with the "self-styled" LPR and DPR (the stupidity that was done in the form of the proclamation of these republics instead of the proclamation of a new single entity has finally been corrected. For this it was necessary to pay with thousands of lives and destroyed cities).

        I repeat the main phrase so that it is remembered:

        New Russia is not an end in itself. Our goal in itself is to turn the tide in this entire war so that this fascist junta that has come to our lands, reverse them, make them stretch, destroy and make all future generations forget about them after some time.

        But why this can be done relatively bloodlessly only in the conditions of the "New United Ukraine", I will try to tell you when ..... the time comes. And it will come very soon. Even earlier than some people think.


        Source - http://yurasumy.livejournal.com/145265.html
        1. vlad-ns
          vlad-ns 15 August 2014 14: 51
          0
          In Ukraine, they forgot what fascism was for 23 years. The result is on the face!
        2. Umnichka
          Umnichka 15 August 2014 17: 44
          +1
          If Khodakovsky really thinks so - absolutely handsome !!! There should be no DNI and LC, these are temporary situational formations, there should be New Russia with ALL on the SD areas. WITH EVERYONE. This is a minimum task, - the game is not for Donbas, - Donbas is the first stage of the struggle. Kiev should not belong to Bandera. You have to pay any price for this, this is part of our house, this is our land (not in the sense of ownership, this is our historic HOUSE, if we make it through - we won’t hold all of Russia). Therefore, the attitude towards the protection of New Russia with us in Russia should absolutely coincide in its internal content with the concept of defending the homeland. This is part of our great homeland. The only way. In the world, most concepts are relative, but there are basic absolute ones. This is one of them. Everything needs to be done for Victory. We won’t, we won’t, we need, we don’t. ALL FOR THE FRONT, ALL FOR THE VICTORY. Really, actually. The war is against us.
    12. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 15 August 2014 23: 20
      +1
      Quote: Scandinavian
      I agree on 100%. The main thing is not to panic. A new stage in the fight against the junta. We will accept the new Strelkov - Nikolai Vladimirovich, what should we do soldier

      No Scandinavian, a little different - "We will accept the new Strelkov - we are people with concepts." So it sounds like something more solid or something ..... After all, no one questions the saying - "Horses do not change at the crossing" - But even a fresh obstacle will not be.
    13. Alfizik
      Alfizik 16 August 2014 01: 16
      0
      Apparently, a turning point has come and victory is near. And the winner should not be a Russian. But a new problem is about to arise: the dictatorship of Porosenko. This is the last hope of the junta.
    14. Hon
      Hon 16 August 2014 02: 52
      0
      4
      Quote: Scandinavian
      I agree on 100%. The main thing is not to panic. A new stage in the fight against the junta. We will accept the new Strelkov - Nikolai Vladimirovich, what should we do

      no. this is Mr. Surkov podsuetsilsya ...
  2. RUBIN
    RUBIN 15 August 2014 06: 16
    +4
    A very interesting development of the situation ...
  3. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 August 2014 06: 18
    +10
    From a change of place in governments, the number of dill losses will not decrease. But it can increase
  4. RusDV
    RusDV 15 August 2014 06: 19
    +15
    I really want to believe in it. So we will believe. There is no other left. In addition, it is very similar to the truth. In any case, this eared monkey must be stopped ...
    1. Dejavu
      Dejavu 15 August 2014 06: 43
      +5
      Eared monkey - puppet, no more.
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 15 August 2014 09: 55
      0
      "HellRaiser" - to drive back
  5. comrad74
    comrad74 15 August 2014 06: 26
    -2
    Topic. "Shoigu-Minister of Defense of Russia." Shoigu saved what was left, it's time to turn it into the Russian Army.
    1. Hyperboreas
      Hyperboreas 15 August 2014 06: 33
      -1
      In my opinion, it's time to treat your brain !!! And then absolutely oh..el in the attack !!!!! Shooters may be a good commander, but he absolutely does not pull on the Minister of Defense. Here it’s not only necessary to be able to shoot.
      1. FACKtoREAL
        FACKtoREAL 15 August 2014 06: 42
        +4
        and the new.MO DNR - with 20 years of coaching experience ... what is needed, right?
      2. volot-voin
        volot-voin 15 August 2014 08: 09
        +7
        Quote: Hyperborea
        Shooters may be a good commander, but he absolutely does not pull on the Minister of Defense.

        At the post of Minister of Defense, the DPR was pulling. What intrigues made him leave this post is the question. Talented willful man, military officer, enthusiast, patriot in the future, why not the new Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, this is how the cards will fall (I have nothing against Shoigu).
        But on the post of the defense of the Russian Federation there were also very odious personalities who certainly didn’t draw on him - Shaposhnikov, Serdyukov (a tax official, a thief who had nothing to do with the army), etc.
      3. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 15 August 2014 08: 25
        +6
        Quote: Hyperborea
        Shooters may be a good commander, but he absolutely does not pull on the Minister of Defense. Here it’s not only necessary to be able to shoot.


        Is this your personal opinion, or was it consulted with someone? Before you evaluate someone - you need to pull yourself up. But in general-
        How many generals in the USSR left the rank and file of the 1st World? And what !!!
    2. Vladimir K.
      Vladimir K. 15 August 2014 08: 42
      +1
      Shoigu is an excellent minister of defense - none of the sane people will dispute this. Even liberals don't talk about his incompetence. Strelkov is an excellent organizer and commander "in the field", but: will he have enough competence to lead an entire Defense Ministry? - a question.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 15 August 2014 10: 00
        0
        dialogue between Chapaev and Petka - will you pull the front? What about the county? And on a national scale?
        No Petka - I will not pull the republic - there is not enough knowledge. "Experience is an irreplaceable thing, but public administration is a complex science and they do not come to the leadership of such a level" from the street ".
      2. rodevaan
        rodevaan 15 August 2014 11: 17
        0
        Quote: Vladimir K.
        Shoigu is an excellent minister of defense - none of the sane people will dispute this. Even liberals don't talk about his incompetence. Strelkov is an excellent organizer and commander "in the field", but: will he have enough competence to lead an entire Defense Ministry? - a question.


        - There are people who feel great "in the fields", brilliantly cope with the task as performers, but they are not in management. And there are those who feel great in management, but as performers - complete zero. It's like a footballer / coach - here's Karpin - he was an excellent footballer, played successfully for the national team, but as a coach - zero. Or like the great Viktor Tikhonov, he played a little, and not in leading clubs - but what kind of coach he became!
      3. dmb
        dmb 15 August 2014 11: 37
        0
        And can I "insane" find out what your conclusion follows? In humoresque at the "Ural dumplings" United Russia about its "achievements" spread about. Shoigu, by the way, is one of her "founding fathers"
      4. divangeneral
        divangeneral 15 August 2014 11: 52
        +1
        4 experience, and now 5 wars?
        the rank of colonel of the FSB?
        personal self-education in the field of military affairs?
        few?
  6. Egoza
    Egoza 15 August 2014 06: 29
    +7
    This is definitely the right move. And while Novorossiya already has its own flag, the Constitution has been prepared, and other "state documents". If it does enter into negotiations, it will be as a subject that can be recognized. But to clean up the "chocolate handles" - it will not be possible.
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 15 August 2014 07: 04
      +7


      Does the junta really believe that this people is capable of defeating these people? These were the most frostbitten representatives of the so-called Right Sector; and who will remember them? There’s not a bit of regret or compassion in their souls, nobody has come here, they came to pick up other people's lives, but parted with their own, and moreover, so mediocre. The people cannot be defeated.
      1. RusDV
        RusDV 15 August 2014 07: 23
        +2
        Quote: subbtin.725


        ... in my soul there is not a drop of regret or compassion, no one has come here, they came to take other people's lives, but parted with theirs,

        Thanks, Anatoly, for the video. The morning was hard, but looked, and it became so easy on my soul .... The terrible thing is war. When you feel good from the death of others, but .... À la guerre comme à la guerre ....
    2. volot-voin
      volot-voin 15 August 2014 09: 27
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      This is definitely the right move. And while Novorossiya already has its own flag, the Constitution has been prepared, and other "state documents".

      And it seems to me that the resignation of the leaders of New Russia is the Akhmetov’s intrigues.
    3. avt
      avt 15 August 2014 09: 54
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      ... And while Novorossiya already has its own flag, the Constitution has been prepared, and other "state documents".

      That's exactly what Tsarev is engaged in tinsel, and almost everyone is fighting for himself and his field commander! Until they self-organize normally into a single administrative, economic and military Novorossiysk fist, there will be no sense and help will be smeared out in a thin layer. “I understand one thing for sure, that Putin will not allow Poroshenko's military victory. And how he will not allow this - we will find out already after the fact and far from immediately, "the expert summed up." -------- I absolutely agree with this! GDP will not lose face, but he has already gone to open, responding to the sanctions and voicing the topic of the sale of energy resources in Russia for rubles, but naturally he left the gate open for negotiations and a peaceful settlement.
  7. mamont5
    mamont5 15 August 2014 06: 29
    +2
    I would like to believe that all this is so. But here they offer another possible version of events.
    “In fact, as I pointed out back in July http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1652174.html, the disrupted backstage negotiations with the Ukrainian oligarchy did not disappear. The shooters only temporarily disrupted them, which led to the rapid intensification of hostilities. But work continued in this direction, which gave a natural result.

    The resignation of Valery Bolotov from the post of head of the Lugansk People’s Republic is associated with the increased influence of the largest Ukrainian oligarch Rinat Akhmetov on the fate of the self-proclaimed republics of New Russia. This version was expressed to a correspondent of the Federal News Agency by a source close to the leadership of the Lugansk People’s Republic.

    At the same time, the agency's interlocutor suggested that rumors about the injury of DPR Defense Minister Igor Strelkov were spread by the militia's special services specifically to explain his absence from Donetsk, which, apparently, will last at least until the end of this week. "
    http://warfiles.ru/show-66211-pro-otstavku-strelkova.html
    1. Sergei 57
      Sergei 57 15 August 2014 07: 30
      +1
      I also think that Putin and Russia have nothing to do with it, the sponsor of the entire confrontation is Akhmetov, well, maybe Yanukovych as well. And Russia is just an interested person.
    2. Matrosov
      Matrosov 15 August 2014 09: 30
      0
      The main thing is to continue to help the militia, without panic and sudden movements. Hold the front and push the enemy a little bit. There really comes an important moment in shifting the situation into a new direction. What time will tell, and here it must be won, as much as possible.
    3. Slavapom
      Slavapom 15 August 2014 10: 08
      0
      Well, of course, the cassette sitting in Sevastopol, everything is much more visible than Putin in Moscow. While Putin collect information a bunch of special services, but the sources of the cassade level of OBS.
  8. IGMIT
    IGMIT 15 August 2014 06: 30
    +7
    I understand it with my mind, but still it’s somehow disturbing. Are all the victims already in vain? Let's hope for the best.
  9. Grande_amigo
    Grande_amigo 15 August 2014 06: 32
    -7
    Or maybe they’re just getting ready for emergency evacuation ???
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 15 August 2014 08: 35
      +1
      Quote: Grande_Amigo
      Or maybe they’re just getting ready for emergency evacuation ???


      Specify - Where and Why? Why think badly about someone.
    2. The comment was deleted.
  10. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 15 August 2014 06: 33
    +20
    Putin reassures public opinion inside Russia, requiring the speedy deployment of troops to help "our militia." Now it’s not “ours”, and it’s necessary to help it exclusively by diplomatic means. ”

    Not our militia can only be for the authorities. For us, it will always be OUR, regardless of who is in power.
    1. Salad
      Salad 15 August 2014 06: 40
      +2
      rightly said
    2. bytkeev
      bytkeev 15 August 2014 08: 01
      +1
      Strelkov’s challenge was made in vain. Horses do not change at the crossing. And those strategic twists and turns can fail.
      1. Azovian
        Azovian 15 August 2014 08: 21
        +2
        If only Strelkova ... And Boroday, and Bolotov? For an ordinary militia, these are symbols. And an ordinary militia may lose more than the whole trinity put together. They will leave, but he will stay.
        1. creep: b
          creep: b 15 August 2014 14: 14
          +1
          Beard with your statements about the counter-terrorist operation against your own field commanders, certainly a symbol. Symbol of unscrupulousness and recklessness
  11. 3vs
    3vs 15 August 2014 06: 34
    +4
    Perhaps this is some kind of plan.
    But in the near termination of the war, I doubt something.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 15 August 2014 06: 45
      +3
      Clearly, the war will not end soon. Everyone knows that there is not only the army, but also a bunch of all Bandera and other brutal shit trying to fight. And they just won’t calm down until they bury them.
  12. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 15 August 2014 06: 37
    +5
    Apparently, it’s necessary to get Strelkov out of the situation. And for some maneuver, the main thing is that he’s doing well, although I personally wanted Strelkov to be the head of New Russia good luck to him
  13. Chaika
    Chaika 15 August 2014 06: 38
    +8
    Perhaps there is another option that the author does not consider: Russian recognition of the Republic of New Russia and as a result, the provision of full assistance. It is in this case that the heads of the republic should be local
  14. mig31
    mig31 15 August 2014 06: 41
    +4
    I think all rotations and metamorphoses are for the benefit of the young republics ...
  15. zao74
    zao74 15 August 2014 06: 46
    +1
    It’s bad when SUCH characters go away, but then it’s necessary ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 15 August 2014 07: 04
      +3
      Quote: zao74
      It’s bad when SUCH characters go away

      The symbol also needs to rest. Let there be a living symbol, not a dead one! You will remember how after the Second World War the Soviet commanders began to die rapidly. They just kept "on the nerve" while the war was going on, but when peace came, then the consequences of nervous tension began.
  16. parusnik
    parusnik 15 August 2014 06: 46
    -6
    The Moors have done their job, the Moors can leave ...
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 15 August 2014 07: 40
      +1
      I understand emotions ... But this is really so .. Their task, at a certain stage, they completed .. A new stage begins .. And these people need to be removed from the game, because they will still be needed ... The game is not finished .. .
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 15 August 2014 08: 11
        +1
        Further events will confirm my words ...
  17. Loner_53
    Loner_53 15 August 2014 06: 47
    +5
    Quote: Seagull
    Perhaps there is another option that the author does not consider: Russian recognition of the Republic of New Russia and as a result, the provision of full assistance. It is in this case that the heads of the republic should be local

    Most likely it is, but Novorossia is not limited to two areas winkMaybe Igor Ivanovich is preparing for more wink
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 15 August 2014 06: 49
      +2
      Quote: Loner_53
      .And after all, Novorossia is not limited to two areas

      That’s when it’s not limited then we admit A to recognize a bit short-sighted and dangerous
  18. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 15 August 2014 06: 47
    +1
    Well, if so. It remains only to believe. The war, indeed, was too long, even Makarevich had already climbed there. This audience clearly responds to the processes of decay.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 15 August 2014 07: 00
      +5
      Quote: TVM - 75
      even Makarevich had already climbed there

      Yeah! And how it is promoted !!! A whole documentary video was made and is being played on ukroTV - "a favorite legend travels through ruined cities, gives concerts and sighs, looking at ruined houses from a car window!" Ugh!!!
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 15 August 2014 11: 26
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: TVM - 75
        even Makarevich had already climbed there

        Yeah! And how it is promoted !!! A whole documentary video was made and is being played on ukroTV - "a favorite legend travels through ruined cities, gives concerts and sighs, looking at ruined houses from a car window!" Ugh!!!


        - Unfortunately, the family is not without a freak. The liberoid m-length that stretches from the 90s, a black train for our country was not brought to the end: (((
  19. Chaika
    Chaika 15 August 2014 06: 49
    +1
    Most likely the way it is. But Novorossia is not limited to two areas wink
    Of course, but the rest is a matter of time.
  20. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 15 August 2014 06: 49
    +3
    “In addition, by removing Strelkov and Borodai from leading posts, and thus distancing himself from Novorossiya, Putin calms public opinion within Russia, which demands the prompt deployment of troops to help“ our militia. ” by diplomatic means. "

    Calming part of the public opinion "for the introduction of troops", it turns out gives rise to even louder shouting part of public opinion "putinvsёslil" ??? Personally, when I helped the militia with coins, even in my thoughts I did not divide them into "ours" and "not ours." On the side of the militia, volunteers from other states are fighting, who should be ranked among them ??? The fact that Strelkov, Borodai and Bolotov (not "ours") were decided to be hidden in the shadows can be explained by the fact that not such bright personalities were required for negotiations with the junta, but this is my opinion.
  21. Grbear
    Grbear 15 August 2014 06: 52
    +3
    It seems that the creation begins namely Novorossia... The fathers of federalization are too strong figures and each has its own supporters who can put pressure on their leader, and this is a "grater". In the foreground are the politicians without a pronounced power support. Not without Akhmetov. I don’t think it’s a direct buyout, but the war is not eternal and we must think about the future. Everything is going quite smoothly, without "quirks" of the "people decided" type. The martial law is difficult, but not critical (it has been worse). Every day decreases the strength of the APU. And Europe looks at Ukraine a little differently.
  22. Bronik
    Bronik 15 August 2014 06: 56
    +2
    Politics - a secretive lady, does not want to explain her actions. Only time, usually, shows the true state of things. We are waiting, sir.
  23. shishakova
    shishakova 15 August 2014 06: 57
    0
    Thanks to the author!
    Creative way to the world.
  24. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 15 August 2014 07: 03
    +1
    If for 20 years Ukrainians have been torn to the brains, how many years will it take to wash them from American shit?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 15 August 2014 07: 11
      +4
      Quote: maxxdesign
      If for 20 years Ukrainians have been torn to the brains, how many years will it take to wash them from American shit?

      You know, it won't take so many years. Now all the "ideological" in the ATO zone will be shot, the wounded will simply return home, and they themselves have understood a lot, and they will tell their relatives ... It is very important to hold a trial over the top of the junta, and also to immediately deal with the Education Ministry. No wonder the "Svobodovtsy" secured this section for themselves. Do not give the slightest loophole to distort history and fool children.
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 15 August 2014 10: 07
      0
      two years of corrective work in the Magadan region or in Taimyr
  25. vvsz031249
    vvsz031249 15 August 2014 07: 06
    0
    How many analysts - there are so many forecasts, all 360 degrees ... And how it will be in reality - only God knows.
  26. andreysolo
    andreysolo 15 August 2014 07: 06
    0
    All the same, we will believe in the recognition of New Russia - this would greatly help them.
  27. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 15 August 2014 07: 08
    0
    Quote: Egoza
    This is definitely the right move. And while Novorossiya already has its own flag, the Constitution has been prepared, and other "state documents". If it does enter into negotiations, it will be as a subject that can be recognized. But to clean up the "chocolate handles" - it will not be possible.
    Guess, don’t guess, we’ll find out what will happen only from the news. what and I don’t believe in the junta’s frostbitten mind because of their lack of sanity and logic .. they should only negotiate with them through the bars in the courtroom, when all their gang will give evidence to the tribunal sad
  28. Russian Alex
    Russian Alex 15 August 2014 07: 12
    +1
    Kiev ran out of gas (Donbass) LOSED THEREOF RETURNABLE. It doesn’t matter who is next at the helm, you can’t pull another atom for a month. The troops are 40000 nothing to feed, winter is just around the corner, there’s no gas, Europe isn’t that bad, the mattress is fighting, with a Boeing they didn’t hush up. Kiev in order to save face in such a crooked game will have to sit at the negotiating table. Let Novorossia be left alone felled in Europe. PS (Click on the map indicated that still need to be returned)
  29. mackonya
    mackonya 15 August 2014 07: 13
    0
    The development of events in early February was already predictable for the "analytical center" of V. Putin, therefore further actions were according to the rules "Do not prevent the enemy from making mistakes", except, of course, Crimea, where the initiative was useful.
    1. vladmetro
      vladmetro 15 August 2014 09: 03
      +2
      Quote: mackonya
      The development of events in early February was already predictable for the "analytical center" of V. Putin, therefore further actions were according to the rules "Do not prevent the enemy from making mistakes", except, of course, Crimea, where the initiative was useful.

      I agree with your opinion on all 100%.
      I’ve been waiting for two months when they will replace the Russians, who are at the head of their republics. Very correct and necessary move. They are well done, completed their mission to the end.
      And there are a lot of options for the development of events. This article describes several of them, quite possible, by the way. The only thing in the first version, instead of Poroshenko, is Obama to read.
  30. miv110
    miv110 15 August 2014 07: 19
    0
    The author considers the problem somewhat unilaterally only from the position that the curators of Kiev wanted to solve the problem as soon as possible. And if everything is the other way around? If they specifically do everything in order to tighten the conflict with all possible forces? The benefits in this situation are a lot for them, billions are earned in the war and, in addition, serious geopolitical problems are solved in the direction that this curator needs. There are enough sources of information for the existence of such a version and there are many examples in history.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 15 August 2014 11: 30
      0
      Quote: miv110
      The author considers the problem somewhat unilaterally only from the position that the curators of Kiev wanted to solve the problem as soon as possible. And if everything is the other way around? If they specifically do everything in order to tighten the conflict with all possible forces? The benefits in this situation are a lot for them, billions are earned in the war and, in addition, serious geopolitical problems are solved in the direction that this curator needs. There are enough sources of information for the existence of such a version and there are many examples in history.


      - Here it is. Something reminds our Chechnya - where our goat-horned bandits in power washed a bunch of dough on the people and the army in that devilish mess. Specially brewing it at the same time. If desired, they would crush Chechnya in a month, at most, or even earlier. Moreover, both the Russians and the Chechens suffered, and the tops were welded up - our crap - drunk Borya, Pasha-Mercedes, oligarchs. Often I see videos of Ukrainian soldiers who complain about draining information to the militia about the movements of their convoys, about the raids, etc. So it may very well be that for Kolomoisky and Russia, crazy orgy is very beneficial.
  31. Volsung
    Volsung 15 August 2014 07: 22
    +6
    “In addition, by removing Strelkov and Beard from leadership positions, and thus distancing himself from Novorossia, Putin calms public opinion inside Russia, which requires the earliest possible deployment of troops to help“ our militia. ” Now it is not “ours”, and we need to help it exclusively by diplomatic means, ”the analyst added.


    Am I the only one here who doesn’t observe any logic? Strelkov and Borodai, they say, left their leading posts and the so-called public did not immediately give a damn about Novorossia?
  32. vvvvv
    vvvvv 15 August 2014 07: 28
    -1
    I immediately said here that it is more convenient to carry out the main battles and the destruction of enemy forces in the form of "defense", and not in the offensive ... and not as now about the genocide of the junta over the Donbass. wink
    And after the genocide of Donbass, it’s now at least excusable to Ukrainians and Russians of Donbass, especially since they are Ukrainians in their passports ... I think the situation could be a preparation for a counteroffensive and the expansion of the current borders of New Russia.
  33. Banner
    Banner 15 August 2014 07: 37
    +1
    All the same, the politician’s dirty business ... Stelkova is removed and the scab will remain sad
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 15 August 2014 10: 12
      0
      Parashka will be tried at the tribunal, but Igor Ivanovich - no.
  34. achill_es
    achill_es 15 August 2014 07: 41
    0
    A new stage in the confrontation with ami ... the tactical course of changing figures to less odious ..
  35. MA TOF
    MA TOF 15 August 2014 07: 47
    +1
    Igor Strelkov, in any case, is already a Hero for the entire Russian people. Legend.
    Other people will now officially represent Novorossia, this is not the defeat of the Donbass, but only personnel shifts.
    Igor Ivanovich is greatly respected, and God grant him good health and good luck, no matter what he does in the future.
  36. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 15 August 2014 07: 52
    0
    Well, and here we are all guessing at the coffee grounds, that we’ve seen, that we’ll see, according to our opinion, whatever we want, they won’t do it anyway, they have their own layouts, we are just spectators.
  37. navara399
    navara399 15 August 2014 08: 01
    +3
    Yes. Igor Ivanovich low bow for courage!
    The situation is, of course, obscure, but this once again speaks of how little we know about the real life of Donbass. A subtle game is being played unambiguously, and all political moves are calculated. And if purely humanly, a person needs to just relax. There is such a concept at the front as “fatigue.” It's hard to be at the limit all the time, to bear a huge responsibility and to lose people close to you in spirit. Yes, and there is probably enough betrayal. Glad that he is alive, God grant him health. This person will not be excluded from the fight! Whatever there was a huge thank you to him!
  38. MIV999
    MIV999 15 August 2014 08: 10
    0
    Strelkov is a combat officer ... I’m sure that in the role of a media person he is not at all comfortable ... The same Tsarev, for example, feels much more comfortable in the last role ... But Strelkov will bring much more benefit NOT ON SCREEN, but on battlefield ... In my opinion, everything is logical ...
  39. Silent
    Silent 15 August 2014 08: 14
    +1
    About "local need" may be all right, but something alarming.
    Borodai resigned, making room for the "local" Zakharchenko, there was a press conference, a presentation of a successor, etc.
    Bolotov gave an interview and explained what and how.
    Whatever it was, everyone was convinced that they were alive and well. In addition, the "non-local" Boroday remained a deputy, etc., which, in my subjective opinion, somewhat contradicts the legend about the "need for local people." We see him, we see Gubarev. The situation with Strelkov is completely different. Maybe there are some reasons for this, but the feeling of anxiety for Igor Ivanovich still does not leave.
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  41. VSZMK
    VSZMK 15 August 2014 08: 17
    0
    According to UkroSMI
    The "Aydar" battalion was ambushed near the villages of Novosvetka and Khryaschevataya, the security forces suffered heavy losses, social media users report this, citing their sources in the battalion.

    "In the area of ​​the villages of Novosvetka, Khryaschevataya, more than 20 dead and more than 30 wounded are SHOOTING" AIDAR "BY THE MORNING!

    It is reported that at least 22 soldiers of the battalion died, another 36 soldiers were injured of varying severity.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 15 August 2014 10: 14
      0
      Dog - Dog Death
  42. Karevik
    Karevik 15 August 2014 08: 21
    +1
    The fruit is ripe! It's time to eat it! Don’t say, but the GDP and its team are cooking!
    Need a law to protect the state! The fifth column and others like them to the nail! Makarevich deprive of Russian citizenship and immediately
    the rest of the trash will shut up! I am amazed at the patience of our GDP! Let any opposition and the opposition deal with internal problems, but prohibit any encroachment on Russia and the Russians! Narusov-Narusevich-Sobakevich to criminal liability for insulting the national dignity of Russians! There are also articles in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Slutty!
  43. bobster
    bobster 15 August 2014 09: 01
    0
    Shooters are a good organizer and a military man, but his replacement with Kononov Vovchik is just ridiculous. He is my classmate at Slavic College ... what kind of lieutenant colonel he is, a judo trainer until April.
  44. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 August 2014 09: 01
    0
    That means how it turned around. Obviously no one expected such a twist. Let's see what happens next. But Makarevich may not need to be deprived of his citizenship, but his face would be publicly cleaned at every opportunity.
  45. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 15 August 2014 09: 42
    +3
    The departure of Igor Strelkov, Alexander Boroday and Valeriy Bolotov is not the end of Novorossia, but quite likely the beginning of a new plan, in which local leaders from Donbass will play the main role, and not holders of Russian passports.

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/256/yywc438.jpg
  46. Serbor
    Serbor 15 August 2014 09: 49
    0
    Some very complicated political game is being played. The meaning is clear - Putin wants to "squeeze" the maximum out of the current situation for Russia, using only diplomatic methods, and so far he has succeeded. We probably don't know all the subtleties and details. Therefore, puffing up and acting as an expert is at least stupid for us. One can only speculate and observe.
  47. Magadan
    Magadan 15 August 2014 10: 31
    +4
    //// removing Strelkova and Boroday from leading posts, and thus distancing himself from New Russia, Putin reassures public opinion inside Russia, requiring the speedy deployment of troops to help "our militia." Now it is not “ours”, and it is necessary to help it exclusively by diplomatic means ///

    Does this ANALITIG have everything in order with a head? Those. he believes that the heroes of Donbass, who are now fighting against fascist scumbags and Washington’s whims for our Russian World, will suddenly cease to be ours as soon as Strelkov and Borodai cease to lead them ?!

    Who else thinks so, maybe I'm driving?
  48. special
    special 15 August 2014 11: 33
    0
    The guys on their shoulders bore the brunt of the beginning of this village, formed more or less combat-ready units capable of doing something ... To resign ... A new broom sweeps a new ... recourse
  49. AUL
    AUL 15 August 2014 12: 25
    +2
    I think Strelkov was just given a rest. It's no joke - so much time in such conditions and with such a responsibility to tear your veins! Nervous exhaustion is at least guaranteed. So giving him a rest is simply necessary. At the same time, take "advanced training courses" somewhere in Yasenevo. And to add a sensible adviser to Kononov (not really exposing him), competent and "with connections." And I'm sure we'll hear about Strelkov!
  50. bogdan4ik
    bogdan4ik 15 August 2014 12: 56
    +1
    The author is most likely a fool. Not introducing Russian troops into Ukraine will provoke a most powerful wave of aggression against Russia after the New Year. Although it may be earlier.
    Firstly, the population of Ukraine is 40 million people. 8 million in the Donbass and the rest in the rest of Ukraine. If this population goes into the winter without gas, heating, work and food, but with a firm conviction that Russia is to blame for everything (such a conviction was driven into the head of Ukraine using coding technologies and continues to be driven into the head), then recruiters can easily recruit a thousand other terrorists Slavic appearance for terrorist attacks in Russia. Russia, Caucasian terrorists passed through one, and then the same Russian. The benefit will be recruited by very prepared people, and in Russia they will be received by representatives of the 5th column, who will sit on Tufft’s salary. I won’t be surprised that for September, 10 thousand people have already been recruited for St. Petersburg and under the guise of refugees they are already in Russia. The 5th pillar will do the paperwork for them, and he will post the life and will drive the girls if necessary. As for the militia, everything is generally bad there. It's summer and it's hot, but after 2 weeks it will end, and after entering the winter on the ruins without anything in the literal sense of the word, the Donbass will quickly reorient to the fact that the militia is to blame for everything, which confused people by referendum. Putin did not help, and people freeze on the street and live in dugouts, which is why. I know what I'm talking about - the people, when they are hungry, cold, and the children begin to die, believe in everything that they are presented with.

    Secondly, the media. Taking control of the media and bringing them into a strictly pro-Russian state is an inevitability that must be addressed right now. Russia will not decide this now, in the winter it will receive tens of thousands of terrorists. And taking control of the media and reorienting them to the pro-Russian direction is a very large-scale and expensive operation. This is the replacement of the staff of all news channels from the most stupid correspondent to the chief editor and producer of the channel. Taking control of repeaters, frequency surveillance. Preparation and implementation of the focus of the news program. Without the Army this cannot be done in Ukraine. Without doing this, Ukraine will not become a friendly country of Russia. Germany until the last day, and after the last day, was not going to give up and understand that she had lost. Just the leaders stepped off the steering wheel and fled. And then we come to the third ...

    Thirdly, the arrest of a gang in Kiev will provide an opportunity to disarm the army in a bloodless way. Several lightly armed punitive units that do not lay down their arms because of their participation in numerous crimes do not count. they are concentrated in one place and will easily be defeated by the militia without the help of the Russian Army. It is enough for the Russian army to simply support the war zone from the rear and begin the filtration activities of the armed forces in the war zone. And with the Nazis in the field, special groups for the arrest of the leadership of the Nazis can easily cope. The population will help in this everywhere, because the war has already set everyone on a counterposition to the gang in Kiev. Even the arrest of a gang in Kiev will make it possible not to kill the Ukrainian army completely, that is, it will save a very large number of Ukrainian men who will be re-educated in a proper information approach and will be pro-Russian to the bone in a half a year.

    And so at the end, the conclusion is that everything stated in the article leads to the fact that in 4-6 months Russia will receive a huge number of terrorists of Slavic appearance, an endless war on the territory of Ukraine, which has already begun to be equipped with weapons from Europe, Poroshenko’s regime will be protected by PMCs for US money, the people will continue to be zombified in a Russophobic manner, live in absolute poverty and blame Russia for everything. If everything happens as it is written in the article.
    1. Alfizik
      Alfizik 15 August 2014 23: 35
      0
      What do you think, Bogdanchik, Putin will read your comment and send in troops? Do not expect! What a you, my friend, a provocateur.
      First, where do you find 10 blonde terrorists? But thanks for warning!
      Secondly, all refugees are rewritten and already in business.
      Thirdly, there will be gas in Ukraine in winter! The fact is that there will not be those who did not pay for it.
      Fourth, do not fire anyone from the media and capture repeaters. What for? You can just turn on the cartoons, soap operas, ballet, finally ... And also turn on the gas and hot water, and the legs of blonde terrorists will reach for slippers.