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Putin’s cunning plan: it’s hard to look for a black cat in a dark room ...

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I have long thought whether to write this text. I really didn’t want to get into all these near-Kremlin fights and endless arguments in the “putinsley” or “putinvinovat” style. But the persistent attempts of the Kiev authorities to depict that they are fighting against the Russian army and the Kremlin, and not against the people's militia of Donbass, deprive me of such a choice - they will have to express their point of view ...

So, I spent two months in Donetsk and Lugansk, built up a fairly effective information network there, communicated with many leaders of the Resistance and even more with ordinary locals and rank and file militias. I traveled a significant part of the territory under the control of the militia (although it did not get to Slavyansk because of its surroundings).

After that, I have been in Moscow for almost two months. Also I talked a lot with officials, and with public figures, and simply with active citizens. Saw the picture from almost all sides, in different places and through the eyes of hundreds of different people.

And what I can say with all responsibility: in all this time I have not seen a single evidence or evidence that the Moscow Kremlin provides military assistance to the New Russia. No one.

1. There were no deliveries of military equipment across the Russian-Ukrainian border. And the proof of this is very simple - the border is almost continuously under the control of American reconnaissance satellites. If at least one tank had crossed the border, the Americans would immediately transfer the pictures of this to their puppets, and the stench would have gone to heaven.

Although purely legally, I do not understand why the United States can supply weapon "Rebels" in Syria, and Russia rebels in the Donbass-can not. Apparently, this is from the same series of double standards, when Google-translator translates any “rebels” as “rebels”, but if “pro-russian rebels” is “pro-Russian militants”. American imperial hypocrisy and control of thinking.

But, nevertheless, even though the leadership of the Russian Federation had both grounds and opportunities - no one supplied military equipment from Russia to the Donbass. Private convoys with humanitarian aid were to admit that among food and medicine they could bring a couple of SVDs or Fagotov I could, but all this was a private initiative of individual citizens or public organizations, but by no means part of the Kremlin’s policy.

2. Where did the military equipment and most of the weapons from the militia come from? There is only one source - the Ukrainian army. There are several options for obtaining weapons from the army, trophies, transfers of individual soldiers or entire units to the side of the militia or a banal purchase (knowingly the greed of Ukrainian ensigns is a legendary phenomenon for a long time).

Remember where the first few BMDs came from the militia in Slavyansk - a group of paratroopers went over to the side of the militia (this, by the way, was the last real paratroopers in Ukraine, after that only Nazi crap left, ready to shoot at civilians).

But the legendary "Nona", which the press service of the ATO destroyed on Facebook five times, went to the militia as a trophy. In general, a large number of captured equipment is not surprising - equipment has not been repaired for many years, supply has also been disgusting, here Kolomoisky also sells armies with diluted diesel fuel, from which the engines fade away.

The engine stalled or ran out of gas, and the crew abandoned their vehicles, fleeing. And the militia carefully picks it all up and carefully repairs it. All this time since the beginning of the conflict, I have been keeping personal summaries from the fronts that I don’t publish (I don’t see any reason, because I’m not a military expert, and I receive some of the information from the militia, so I don’t want to give out something important). And in these reports almost every day there were reports of several such trophies.

Well, about the fact that some of the equipment was bought directly from the punishers themselves - this is practically uncovered even in some of the previous reports of Strelov himself (my information also confirms this).

Completes the answer to the question of where military equipment came from the militia, information that the southern boiler received trophies around 70 units of military equipment, including 18 installations "Grad". So with the world on a thread a couple of hundred pieces of equipment and lumped.

3. Regarding the "fighting in the Donbas Russian army." She is not. I have not seen a single “polite green man” in all the time, nor have I heard a single reliable mention of them, there is not a single video with Russian soldiers, not a single photo, not a single proof (except for the tattoo “Airborne Troops” exposed by Sharii exposed in Sharii ").

Yes, there are volunteers from Russia - Afghans, Cossacks, just not indifferent citizens - so what? Is there still a detachment of Serbian Chetniks - is Serbia attacked Ukraine? There is even a team of anti-fascists from Germany - did Merkel send them?

Another very simple argument: if the Russian army had fought against the Ukrainian army, then, given the current horrific condition of the Ukrainian military equipment and the degree of incompetence of the Ukrainian military, the Russians would already be engaged in stripping Ternopil.

No, of course, in the visions of Tymchuk, a schizophrenic, he personally neutralized forty thousand special forces soldiers of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and destroyed the famous Taman Division, but in reality the division is located at a permanent location and does not know that Tymchuk defeated her.

In the same unpleasant reality for the Kiev junta, several hundred Ukrainian soldiers from the southern boiler crossed the border and surrendered to the Russian border guards, after which they were fed, washed and sent home. This does not fit in with the picture of the Hunt propaganda picture of ruthless Russian aggression, but the victims of the TV have long lost the habit of thinking independently and making any logical conclusions.

Summing up the above: Definitely there is a “Putin’s cunning plan” (HSP) for gaining financial and economic independence from the United States in particular and the West in general. Definitely there is a plan for several years to re-equip the Russian army. But the Crimea was purely impromptu, but there was nothing at all about the Donbass - everything that happened was a purely local initiative. It’s just that the residents of the South-East of the former Ukraine decided on a massive scale that they don’t want to live in a country in which neo-Nazi executioners can kill with impunity the citizens of this country with particular cruelty (as it happened first in Odessa and then in Mariupol).

There is no cunning plan for Putin in the Donbas. There is no interference of the Kremlin in the affairs of New Russia. But this does not mean that the New Russia will not be able to cope on its own, and this does not mean that you do not need to fight against the Nazi junta.

In addition to the cruelty and meanness of the illegal Kiev regime, there is one more, purely mercantile, reason to distance oneself as far as possible from Kiev - in a few months all of Ukraine will be worse off than in the Donbas today.

The only way to somehow mitigate the fall of Ukraine is as quickly as possible to overthrow the suicidal regime of the American puppets, burning the country in a fire of civil war. But while the zombies are chained to their televisions and firmly believe in a "bright European future" - Ukraine continues to fly rapidly to hell ...
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  1. Cormorants
    Cormorants 15 August 2014 06: 08
    +32
    Another very simple argument: if the Russian army had fought against the Ukrainian army, then, given the current horrific condition of the Ukrainian military equipment and the degree of incompetence of the Ukrainian military, the Russians would already be engaged in stripping Ternopil.

    That's for sure, 5 points =)
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 15 August 2014 06: 32
      +20
      Ukraine continues to fly rapidly to hell ...

      But Maidan supporters of independence did not notice how they profiled the country, which was the most developed in terms of industrial infrastructure at the time of the collapse of the USSR. Thank God that Russia is on the rise. The GVP is now the undisputed leader of the country. Where have you seen Abama queuing for T-shirts was there a stir?
      1. Sunjar
        Sunjar 15 August 2014 07: 23
        -5
        Quote: Alexander Rogers
        But Crimea was pure impromptu


        This is because for the adoption of such a large territory with houses, factories, ships, infrastructure, etc. (long list), regulatory documents are needed. Only a technical inventory of what will take. To transfer one enterprise into the hands of another department takes a huge pile of documents. And then a whole peninsula. We can say that the inventory can be done later. Yes, it is possible, but for the development of the documents themselves for the adoption of Crimea as part of Russia, it would have taken much more than a couple of weeks, since it was necessary to formalize everything legally competently and without a hitch. And at least some base had to be prepared for the technical inventory. And all this calls into question, but was it really all spontaneous?
        1. Matrosov
          Matrosov 15 August 2014 12: 15
          +2
          Well, from the moment the "polite people" were introduced, the denouement was already clear, but this is still a few weeks, something can be prepared. And even now half a year has passed, no matter how much they managed to do, especially when they really need to, our officials and politicians work very quickly. Not without flaws, but they work. In fact, there is still a transitional period and a lot of things really work as before. Well, add your own initiative of the population, there really is a bunch of people doing their best to eliminate the last reminders that "Ukraine was here."
        2. Spnsr
          Spnsr 15 August 2014 13: 29
          +1
          Quote: Sunjar
          Quote: Alexander Rogers
          But Crimea was pure impromptu


          This is because for the adoption of such a large territory with houses, factories, ships, infrastructure, etc. (long list), regulatory documents are needed. Only a technical inventory of what will take. To transfer one enterprise into the hands of another department takes a huge pile of documents. And then a whole peninsula. We can say that the inventory can be done later. Yes, it is possible, but for the development of the documents themselves for the adoption of Crimea as part of Russia, it would have taken much more than a couple of weeks, since it was necessary to formalize everything legally competently and without a hitch. And at least some base had to be prepared for the technical inventory. And all this calls into question, but was it really all spontaneous?

          all inventory and all that was done back in the USSR! because Crimea is Russia
          1. Sunjar
            Sunjar 15 August 2014 16: 35
            0
            Quote: SpnSr
            all inventory and all that was done back in the USSR! because Crimea is Russia


            And for 23 of the year nothing has changed naturally well, not a bit, well, never? That's how it was under the USSR, and so everything remained?

            And why no one criticizes the legal justification of the annexation of Crimea to Russia. And here I mean whether Crimea had the right to secede from Ukraine, or whether Russia did not have the right to annex it. Without a doubt, both positions have all moral and historical rights to this. I mean the legal document itself. Why is there no general argument against the fact that such a document can be cooked up in two weeks?
        3. Ustas
          Ustas 15 August 2014 14: 32
          +1
          Quote: Sunjar
          This is because for the adoption of such a large territory with houses, factories, ships, infrastructure, etc. (long list), regulatory documents are needed. Only a technical inventory of what will take.

          Nothing. In 91, all republics became independent states in one day.
          But if you used to plunge into paperwork, pennant in your hands. Only on whether the official signed a piece of paper or not, the fact remains. Crimea and Sevastopol is Russia.
          PS: Although I agree with you to some extent. The annexation of Crimea is the result of many years of hopes of Crimeans and Sevastopol residents. This is their genuine desire. Believe me, only I have been following this issue since 2004. But the Crimeans always had a desire to live in Russia.
          1. Sunjar
            Sunjar 15 August 2014 16: 41
            0
            Quote: Ustas
            Nothing. In 91, all republics became independent states in one day.


            Because the collapse of the USSR was a crime committed by criminals. When someone is robbed, the robber does not have a dilemma about the law.
            But when you return stolen goods, you have to comply with legal standards.

            Quote: Ustas
            But if you used to plunge into paperwork, pennant in your hands.


            You tell me so, as if I'm going to personally initiate all this paperwork. And this red tape has already been carried out, for sure on the legal line (the documents on accession have all been signed), and the technical is probably already underway. I focus not on the bureaucracy itself, but on the lengthy time it takes to compile the documentation.
    2. skeptic2999
      skeptic2999 15 August 2014 07: 17
      +2
      And maybe Lviv and Mukachev.
      1. Момент
        Момент 15 August 2014 07: 56
        +3
        Why then, when the EU and America demanded from Russia to publicly condemn the "separatists" in the Donbass. VVP didn’t even blink an eye? Well, I would say it would be easier for everyone. He took care of the rating, but don’t nightmare my grandmother. Intrigue twisted, driving everyone to madness.
        You can continue to continue ...
        But the Novorossiys are great, who would doubt the Russian people.
        1. Spnsr
          Spnsr 15 August 2014 13: 36
          0
          Quote: Moment
          Why then, when the EU and America demanded from Russia to publicly condemn the "separatists" in the Donbass. VVP didn’t even blink an eye? Well, I would say it would be easier for everyone. He took care of the rating, but don’t nightmare my grandmother. Intrigue twisted, driving everyone to madness.
          You can continue to continue ...
          But the Novorossiys are great, who would doubt the Russian people.

          Excuse me, but what’s the intrigue, is that everyone has the right to self-determination?
    3. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 15 August 2014 08: 48
      +3
      Not a shadow of a doubt about what the fate of the Ukrainian army would have been if it had fought with the RF Armed Forces: I just want to remind you of the fate of the well-trained Georgian army armed by American instructors, it took only eight days to completely "pacify" Saakashvili's gang (at the same time, parts of the Russian Federation were not in the best condition)! It looks like someone else still has a "Wishlist" to get once again on the impudent "red" face, and what to take from them: they are impudent skunks, they are impudent skunks, but you can't get rid of the stench from them!
    4. tomket
      tomket 15 August 2014 09: 05
      +2
      The ambiguous feeling remains. The first reaction, of course, is fun when you learn about the next "exposure, destruction and suppression" of Russian troops, special forces and supplies in the South-East by Avakov or Tymchuk. You think, looking at all these foposhop tattoos of the Airborne Forces, artillery attacks from a computer game, and so on, what are they. And then you will think again. People are dying there, but what are we to them? Only a kind word for help? And then toss them under the door fuss in the form of Kurginyan and so on?
      1. avt
        avt 15 August 2014 09: 46
        +1
        Quote: tomket
        Only a kind word to help?

        Do you seriously take a very specific propaganda article ???? Of course the locals are fighting for the most part, but what if you strain and think? At least over the consumption of ammunition in captured and purchased equipment. Anyway - ykro ensigns are such stupid people that they sell a tank for half a hryvnia? Can you even imagine the amount of money to buy good for 10 militias? All volunteers brought or Akhmetov paid with Ssynukovich ??
    5. Zhekson
      Zhekson 15 August 2014 18: 23
      0
      many of our volunteers are fighting, at a time when refugees are traveling around our country in search of benefits.
      I myself enrolled in the militia and a call was received, but my wife figured out my "cunning plan" by making a palette at the site of trying on tactical boots and field uniforms. I had to give up.
      And so, I’ll say that there are most of ours there. Everything is on them.
      May God grant them all good luck!
  2. miv110
    miv110 15 August 2014 06: 11
    +13
    Even if it didn’t exist before, the plan already exists by now and not even one, it just cannot be otherwise, it’s just carelessness. In what, in what, and in V.V. Putin’s carelessness, blaming, I think, is not reasonable. Leaving such processes without control is simply not possible because they concern Russia directly.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 August 2014 06: 56
      +4
      Quote: miv110
      The plan, even if it didn’t exist before, unconditionally by now already exists, and not even one,

      Aha laughing
      1. Penzuck
        Penzuck 15 August 2014 07: 57
        0


        Ukrbanders are attacking! One with yellow-blakitny color, the second with the color of the "Right Sector": "(Putiin) Leopold! Come out the mean coward!"
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 15 August 2014 09: 22
        0
        Mr. Fix is ​​known to have "three plans." That's it :)
    2. Normal
      Normal 15 August 2014 08: 54
      +2
      Quote: miv110
      Leaving such processes without control is simply not possible because they concern Russia directly.



      Consequently, shelling of the territory of Russia by Ukraine is taken into account and controlled? After all
      The plan .... of course, by now, there is already and not just one, it just cannot be otherwise, it’s just carelessness. In what, in what, and in V.V. Putin’s carelessness, blaming, I think, is not reasonable.


      In your opinion, it turns out that all the victims and destruction in Novorosii since the advent of the plans have been an integral part of more than one HSP?
      1. dmb
        dmb 15 August 2014 09: 48
        0
        Pay attention to Vladimir, how the choir of imperious admirers, previously present on the site, has thinned out. The remaining giants of thought and distant (according to Adam) relatives of the last ruling dynasty write on any occasion in general the same phrase, about keeping everything under control and having a "cunning plan". When asked from what they make such a conclusion, they usually remain silent (apparently due to the special secrecy of this plan), or begin their answer with the phrase: "Well, eh ... after which they are silent for a long time, because the continuation of the phrase can be deleted moderators in view of its complete obscenity. ”And the article was written by the author as a whole, but the recent events do not allow, unfortunately, to share his optimism about the independent victory of the militia.
        1. Normal
          Normal 15 August 2014 11: 27
          0
          Quote: dmb

          Pay attention to Vladimir, as a thaw, previously present on the site of the choir of power admirers

          Greetings, Dmitry.
          I would not say that.
          It’s just that some of the pro-authorities, those who have been on the site for a long time and yet are not without the ability to think and evaluate little by little, realize that critics of the government are largely right. They are not yet ready to admit it openly, but they have reduced their pro-government rhetoric.
          Other pro-government, especially stubborn, either left the site or are waiting for a more convenient moment to glorify their idol again. I think that in the near future they will have such an opportunity.
          But recently, a lot of new pro-government appeared on the site, with fire in their eyes, the absence of any arguments, elementary politeness and education.
          As before, I constantly receive questions like "and who if not ...?", "What do you suggest?" and even "who are you?"
          Everything is as before, only the intellectual level, the sense of tact and humor of the new pro-government is below all criticism.
          1. dmb
            dmb 15 August 2014 12: 03
            0
            By the way, the question: "What do you suggest" is practically not asked, just as there is no answer to such a question among admirers. Speaking about thinning, I meant not so much leaving the site as understanding. And not everyone can admit that he was talking nonsense. But that's not bad either.
  3. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 15 August 2014 06: 14
    +10
    The most secret plan is its complete absence bully The main thing is to react in time and competently to the situation and the rest the west and dill will do it yourself fool laughing
    1. miv110
      miv110 15 August 2014 06: 21
      +7
      It is possible to react competently to the situation only if a forecast of possible situations is carried out, which means that reciprocal moves are calculated, i.e. specific plans are drawn up for certain actions, depending on the situation. Otherwise, there will be continuous improvisation with unpredictable consequences. I hope you remember the French saying - "The best improvisation is a prepared improvisation."
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 15 August 2014 06: 30
        +6
        Quote: miv110
        remember the French proverb - "The best improvisation is prepared improvisation."

        Of course I remember - Here we accidentally turned out to have a piano in the bushes and a couple of Iskanders in addition wassat I didn’t say that it’s not necessary to calculate the options, but only that a competent reaction to the enemy’s stupidity is better than a voiced plan that will go along the star at the moment of its implementation hi
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 August 2014 06: 51
      +4
      Quote: Ruslan67
      The main thing is to react in time and competently to the situation and the rest the west and dill will do it yourself

      Hi Ruslan! In the USA they warned that there will be an invasion of zombies, so it has arrived in Ukraine wassat
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 15 August 2014 06: 56
        +1
        Hi!
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In the US, they warned that there will be an invasion of zombies

        A recipe for a fight with Grandpa Romero wassat Tomorrow we get a booze? drinks
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 August 2014 07: 22
          +1
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Tomorrow we get a booze?

          Is it possible to refuse laughing
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 15 August 2014 07: 26
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Is it possible to refuse

            Can! Only you will sit like the last dill, sober and sad wassat
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 August 2014 07: 42
              +4
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Only you will sit like the last dill, sober and sad

              Welcome, then roll over a glass laughing
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 15 August 2014 07: 46
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                then roll over a glass

                Will we represent two-jet fountains? belay Better Vodka. wassat
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 15 August 2014 07: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Better Vodka.

                  Horil soul treba winked
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 15 August 2014 08: 02
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Horil soul treba

                    Well, thank God! Ato, I was scared that you were in discord: The soul requires champagne and fruit feel and the body of vodka and cucumber wassat
                    1. pensioner
                      pensioner 15 August 2014 13: 04
                      +1
                      Take in company with lemonade? feel
                      Hello to all honest company! hi
      2. skeptic2999
        skeptic2999 15 August 2014 08: 53
        0
        What did these young scum do for Ukraine, except for collective hysteria? But the Ukrainian biathlete who took the gold in Sochi has not yet been expelled from the country? Did you pay the promised money for the medal?
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 15 August 2014 09: 25
          +1
          she also needs a "transfer" like the chess player Katya Lagno!
  4. mirag2
    mirag2 15 August 2014 06: 14
    +1
    The cunning plan is garbage, there are analysts who provide for any options for events and for each possible situation their actions are developed-in response.
    Naturally, some situations are more likely, and this is also what analysts are doing.
  5. miv110
    miv110 15 August 2014 06: 15
    -2
    If the Russian army would be at war with the Ukrainian, then most likely the Russian army would already be at war with NATO!
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 15 August 2014 06: 20
      +4
      Quote: miv110
      If the Russian army would be at war with the Ukrainian, then most likely the Russian army would already be at war with NATO!


      But NATO is unlikely to want this. No, they certainly do not mind, but it is desirable with the wrong hands, because Understand that skirmishers are guaranteed dead.
      1. miv110
        miv110 15 August 2014 06: 46
        +1
        It is necessary to clearly understand what is at stake. There are many examples of military conflicts involving NATO troops, whether it will be Poles, Hungarians or Czechs, or maybe the Baltic states, maybe it will be PMCs, it doesn’t matter, the nature of the hostilities can be very diverse, but if the APU is on the brink of disaster and it will If you don’t comply with NATO’s plans, then I assure you that the clash is inevitable and in vain you understand the situation so simplistically. Of course this is an optional situation, but very likely, otherwise what prevents Russia from reaching Kiev and further to the western border - is it just the fear of sanctions?
    2. skeptic2999
      skeptic2999 15 August 2014 07: 23
      +4
      In NATO, only Americans and special units of other countries are combat-ready. The United States wants to fight with the wrong hands, the rest alone - without mattresses they would not risk it. Mercenaries with a regular army would not fight. So it hardly reached the great war in Europe.
  6. Lukich
    Lukich 15 August 2014 06: 16
    +8
    Ukraine continues to fly rapidly to hell ...
    flies overtaking own screech
  7. Egoza
    Egoza 15 August 2014 06: 19
    +7
    Thanks to the author! What a pity that this article will not be reprinted in the Ukrainian media. Even if it appears in the electronic version, few will read it anyway. As for the "European future" - somehow people no longer remember about it. There is no longer euphoria. The junta is trying to remind about its "victory", but where is it? Until now, the "historic signature" has not even been ratified. All eyes are now facing east. But somehow, while news flies past that 200 people have been arrested in Kharkov, from Odessa they sent to the Kiev SBU the captured "separatists" from those who dare to remind about Odessa Khatyn ... And without any cunning plan of Putin, the people begin to awaken. Not everyone was fooled! And this is just the beginning!
    1. VadimL
      VadimL 15 August 2014 06: 55
      +2
      It is a pity that this article is not reprinted in the American media ...
    2. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 15 August 2014 07: 05
      +1
      By the way. Apparently the PLAN consists in the fact that the people in Khar'kov, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa and other regions with an ethnically non-Western population, at last wiped their brains and hit the junta itself. I think the deadline will be cut - by November, when the humanitarian aid freezes and eats.
      Only the people themselves can decide what their future will be, no uncle Sam or Putin will bring democracy for him with hostility. Tried in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and other projects.
      1. Normal
        Normal 15 August 2014 08: 59
        +2
        Quote: mojohed2012
        By the way. Apparently the PLAN consists in the fact that the people in Khar'kov, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa and other regions with an ethnically non-Western population, at last wiped their brains and hit the junta itself.


        Interestingly, Stalin also waited until the people in the territories occupied by the Nazis hit him, or did he throw specialists, weapons, ammunition, medications and equipment behind the Germans?
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 15 August 2014 09: 28
          0
          It was easier for Stalin - see in the article a place about spy satellites
          1. Normal
            Normal 15 August 2014 11: 39
            0
            Quote: OldWiser

            Stalin was easier


            Aha

            Stalin simply did not say that Ukraine should be "a single independent state" and did not consider the opponents of the USSR as his "foreign partners"

            And not any spy satellites.
    3. Lukich
      Lukich 15 August 2014 11: 30
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      then few will read it anyway.

      and whoever reads will not believe it. blamed as always on our "propaganda"
  8. 3vs
    3vs 15 August 2014 06: 44
    0
    Therefore, the main task is to destroy the television center in Kiev.
    Offered GDP to launch an extra satellite over the territory of New Russia and Little Russia
    with a free package of our channels.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 15 August 2014 06: 52
      +2
      Quote: 3vs
      with a free package of our channels.

      Yes, we have blocked the existing Russian channels. "Watch only Ukrainian" am Just imagine - there are only three "plates" in a village of 500 households. The rest - as there was a "stick" for two channels it is. What kind of satellite is there!
      1. 3vs
        3vs 15 August 2014 07: 03
        +1
        Here it is, a violation of human rights in the most blatant way!

        Where is Psaka, where are our human rights defenders in the form of Kovalev, Alekseeva and the like, human rights are violated, which is why we are silent!

        I propose, then, to our government to consider humanitarian assistance
        in the form of supplying satellite TV sets for the oppressed
        Kiev punks civilians.
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 15 August 2014 09: 43
        +1
        soon, due to the energy collapse, there will be no TV at all - "there will be no kina - the electricity has run out", so it doesn't matter which channels and how many of them
  9. vitaz
    vitaz 15 August 2014 06: 48
    +1
    A person cannot know everything. The less you know the better you sleep. Just logically, even for the wrung out equipment, ammunition, fuel and lubricants, competent calculation are needed. For this, regular troops are not needed there
  10. vvsz031249
    vvsz031249 15 August 2014 06: 49
    +4
    It is obvious and quite tangible that Putin has his own cunning plan - to make Russia strong and independent. And the West has a completely unsophisticated plan - to ruin Russia, dismember and make it its raw materials appendage ... Putin’s plan is prettier to me ...
  11. USSR
    USSR 15 August 2014 06: 50
    +1
    There is nothing secret that will not come true, in Ukraine the truth can no longer be stopped. America must be choked with its vomiting of lies.
  12. Russian Alex
    Russian Alex 15 August 2014 06: 50
    +3
    Ukraine continues to fly rapidly to hell ..? This is their choice, there is no need to pull them off when they see the light, maybe they can even correct the national idea. Otherwise, since 1991, everything that happens to them is the choice of the whole people. ). Winter will come and will make its own corrections, just don’t help so that they realize their helplessness to the end, and finally learn how to choose friends. But later on (Dmitruk) we will never be brothers. Because so many terrible things have been done that we must not forget to forgive not allowed.
  13. mig31
    mig31 15 August 2014 06: 52
    +1
    Critically ill Ukraine will only help death, and the birth of a new state is just around the corner ...
  14. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 15 August 2014 06: 54
    0
    Yes, it's just the propaganda of the amers with the Ukrainian junta that Russia is fighting, that is, to show Europe and the whole world that the Russians are armed there, but for the whole time about 4 months, not a single Russian soldier was undetected-so there is no evidence the Americans in -----
  15. Wolka
    Wolka 15 August 2014 06: 56
    0
    ukronization was never leading, only led, like the Poles have always been a bargaining chip in European politics, (previously they were under the Commonwealth, then under the protectorate of Russia) today the events in Ukraine are vivid proofs that, well, Ukrainians cannot retain their sovereignty ), they themselves squander it because of their natural greed, because there will never be a former Ukraine, Novorossia is not Ukraine, these territories came to it from Russia and they were settled not so much by Ukrainians as by Russians, Tatars, Jews, gr Ekami, Armenians, Turks, Germans and other nations, now who will take the remnants of what remains of Ukraine ...
  16. Grbear
    Grbear 15 August 2014 07: 10
    +4
    Russia will certainly help Novorossia (not the DPR-LPR), and let the rest of the Ruin "develop" along the chosen path. And no euthanasia. Everything should be natural. The new will be born in agony, corresponding to the degree of the fall of normal human values.
    When the Ukrainian wiser, he will become Russian. hi
  17. mackonya
    mackonya 15 August 2014 07: 21
    0
    I would correct the ending: "Ukraine continues to rapidly fly to Zad ..."
  18. press officer
    press officer 15 August 2014 07: 32
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    [quote = Fidget] Thanks to the author! It’s a pity that this article will not be reprinted in the Ukrainian media. If it appears in the electronic version, few will read it anyway.

    Well, even if the Ukrainians read this, say their favorite "this is stuffing, this is" the Russian special services invented "or, as always," this is all a lie, everything is super here, only the Russians are in the way! " lol They don’t have a brain, for 23 years they washed everything, one skull box remained! soldier
  19. skeptic2999
    skeptic2999 15 August 2014 07: 32
    0
    Quote: GrBear
    Russia will certainly help Novorossia (not the DPR-LPR), and let the rest of the Ruin "develop" along the chosen path. And no euthanasia. Everything should be natural. The new will be born in agony, corresponding to the degree of the fall of normal human values.
    When the Ukrainian wiser, he will become Russian. hi

    Well, this is unlikely - a whole generation has been bombed, and those who were born back in the USSR too. And I am afraid that Ukraine will not be able to withstand a therapy similar to that which Germany experienced in 1945.
  20. O. Bender
    O. Bender 15 August 2014 08: 07
    +2
    In correspondence and telephone conversations, I suggest that my childhood friends, co-workers of classmates, even relatives, go to Russian resources. At first, the reaction surprised me, but gradually the situation changes in favor of Russia. Very slowly comes the realization that people are deceived. Streams of false information skillfully mixed with the truth, turning facts upside down did their job. The population in fact is zombified. The most powerful info-attack yielded a striking result in efficiency. I am afraid that as long as Ukraine regains consciousness it will be a corpse in every sense.
  21. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 15 August 2014 08: 10
    +2
    Quote: GrBear
    When the Ukrainian wiser, he will become Russian.



    We don’t need such Russian badger redeals in Russia, we have enough of such clever morons in our own possession, at least evict them to the west.
  22. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 15 August 2014 08: 14
    +1
    Okay, there are Putin's plans, he did not merge, whether the Donbass will survive or not (I personally believe in "it will survive") ... August is already over! A couple more months of warmth and everything! Then the play will begin under the name ... but it doesn't matter. Then it will be interesting how gay Europeans will "keep their face" after all America's ass licking. The food embargo is just the beginning, so to speak, Putin’s first step in explaining to the poor that we need to be friends and not be impudent. The cold will show that fagots are more important - their own ass in warmth or tugging at the leg of the GDP in the hope that it will "bend".
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 15 August 2014 09: 47
      0
      nationalization of the elite - task number 1 - then the question of "deflection" will not even be raised
  23. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 15 August 2014 09: 47
    +2
    There is no cunning plan of Putin in relation to Donbass.

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/062/sahb707.jpg
  24. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 15 August 2014 10: 54
    +3
    Curious "logic" maydanutyh ukrov, if you can call it that. All this "mess" with the "Maidan" was started for the sake of one goal - "we want to live like in Europe!" that's all. In conversations, the Ukrainians called the main argument for their desire to join the EU that then, they will have their visas canceled and it will be possible to freely travel to the EU to earn money. To my "stupid" counter question, that if all of you Ukrainians leave to work in the EU, then Ukraine will become empty, schools, factories, hospitals, etc. will be closed. That is, the whole economy will rise and cease to exist without the citizens of their country who left for earnings, so it turns out that you are not actually interested in what will happen to your country, you are only interested in the possibility of "easy" earnings in the EU? To this, many could not what to answer. True, a couple of Ukrainian interlocutors nevertheless found that I could answer this, having already put me in a "dead end" with their answer: "And we (meaning Ukrainians) will sell all the factories to Americans and Europeans and rent out all the land to foreigners, we will also have money get it in the budget! " So, this is the "logic" of the maydanutyh.
  25. Vend
    Vend 15 August 2014 11: 12
    +3
    If the author found Russian help to the militias, the price would be worthless to our specialists.
    1. bogdan4ik
      bogdan4ik 15 August 2014 14: 45
      0
      Russian assistance to the militia comes only in private, there is no state assistance. And there is a logical explanation for this - the militia must defend itself to hold down a large number of Ukrainian forces. AND EVERYTHING. The militia does not have more tasks. And in order to hold down the forces as much as possible, you must retreat, giving motivation to introduce an even larger contingent into the conflict zone. That is what the militias receive support for. So that the militia would defeat Kiev without the most grandiose widespread and total destruction by the National Guard and the Armed Forces of Ukraine of all engineering structures (and they received an order at the beginning that during the retreat all important objects should be destroyed to the foundation, the militia must be reformatted and organized into full, full-blooded combined arms units, with aviation, artillery and missiles, with full rear support for everyone - from matches to ballistic missiles - the only way Novorossia can keep it in offensive operas . Barrier-its industrial capital (factories and parahod) But that raises another question - how then to disarm the militia with him in the same war?
  26. bogdan4ik
    bogdan4ik 15 August 2014 14: 38
    -1
    Suppose that Russia does not help Novorossia in any way in the fight against Kiev. Suppose that Novorossiya defeated Kiev (even though this is a fantasy speculation). Suppose that Novorossiya took control of not only 8 regions of the South-East. Novorossiya defeated Kiev and rode into it and its offices on a white horse. What do we have at the end? Everything is very bad - a sufficient number of trained and experienced managers who could quickly and efficiently put things in order in the economy, establish the necessary ties both in the economy and in politics, put industry and agriculture in order. On favorable terms, we will agree on crediting the first steps. New Russia does not have this anything and nobody. That is, if we hypothetically fantasize that victory has come right now, we run into a situation where cunning and cunning ki will come to "help" Novorossia and stupidly throw Novorossia even worse than the previous 4 presidents and under-president Waltzman threw it. Gentlemen - Novorossia will not survive without Russia. After the victory (fantasized), Novorossia is simply drowned out on those topics on which Novorossia has neither specialists nor experience. Some may assume that Russia will help. Yes, it will help if Putin can deal with the traitors. So far, the traitors are bankrupt. And most likely, without the introduction of troops into Ukraine from the Russian Federation, these traitors will quickly take control of Novorossiya and drive it into even greater bondage than it is now. In general, without the introduction of troops and with the fantasized victory of Novorossiya, we will have a pure banana territory with absolute slaves on its territory. But without the introduction of Russian troops, or at least widespread assistance at the state level from the Russian Federation, first of all, a large number of specialists with vast experience, as well as a huge amount of various property and supplies, there will be no victory for Novorossia at all. Until the introduction of troops, the United States will cover Waltzman with all its might and finance him with the maintenance of punitive detachments to retain power. If only the war went on longer and the Russians killed each other longer.
  27. Gomel
    Gomel 15 August 2014 15: 23
    0
    Quote: Rurikovich
    ... pulling the trouser leg of GDP ....


    plus :))))