Square-breeding generation. Grown that grew

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On the "Military Review" there was already an article in which the topic of attitude towards modern youth (1990 + year of birth) and children was touched (http://topwar.ru/56069-dlya-teh-kto-hodit-v-muzei.html ). With the permission of the respected administrators, I will try to add a little more, but in a different style - not condemnation or banter, but just a few stories. Honestly, the article is not mine, but found in the vast world wide web. Style and spelling are changed by me in order to remove profanity.

Square-breeding generation. Grown that grew


Yesterday in the food court I saw a picture. A girl (years old 20-22, pretty) in China took a sushi roll in front of me, well, and they were given such a container with sauce, many, I think, saw it and used it. He has one feature - a little illogical is made: the “loop” on which the lid opens is long and narrow, and the “petal” for which to open is wide and short. (This was done because of the convenience of making the mold for an extruder, as I understand it.) I myself tried the first time to open it on the wrong side.



So here. Exactly a minute later, the girl comes up to the cashier, throws this jar on the table, and with a pretense says:

- Replace me the sauce, it does not open in any way!

She changed. After that, the cashier tries to open (from the right side) - everything is ok. I just brought my noodles, and I went to the free table, which was next to this girl. She sits, and picks this jar, and again from the wrong side. She gets up and goes to the cashier for another replacement.

Well, Christmas trees, sticks! Well, we were not so stupid. Well, it does not open on one side - try on the other. Even monkeys are capable of this type of research. We in 16 have already opened a tin can with a canned meat without a can opener ...

I lived with a divorced woman with a child for several years, her son was 6-9 for years at that time. They lived normally, I called him his son, he was my dad. He is a fan of LEGO. His biotube periodically on holidays gave him them, and he had this kind of 100500 sets and sets. Once again, he says to me: Dad, buy me a LEGO (there’s a new model there, a transformer of some kind). No, you do not think that I feel sorry, or no money, that's not the point. I tell him:

- Son, you have 100500 constructors already, why are they collected from you once according to the instructions, and in assembled form they stand gathering dust on the shelf in the form of ready-made models? Let's play in the designer, analyze all this crap, and collect something cool and awesome!

In the eyes - a complete misunderstanding. "How is it - PLAY IN the constructor?"

Showed. Shocked. They collected some kind of megaUshpancer. I liked it, but only once, when with me. One does not work. Not enough creativity, engineering thinking, something else, and ... instructions.

Then he ran over me, that we’ve disassembled everything, but now we don’t collect models again - in the first place, everything is mixed, and secondly - there are no instructions.



I remember, we had the main designers of PeBe (GDR "analogue" LEGO), metal, with screws, and, well, perhaps, aircraft-helicopter such, with large details. Who is in the subject, he will understand. The instructions were there and there, but at the level of "how to connect the part" for the 1 level collector, who took it for the first time. Well, maybe a couple of designs of some kind, but the instructions were lost at once, or even deliberately discarded. In the instructions Ferris wheel? What for! There will be a crane or an excavator, you only need a friend from the set of wheels to ask ...

We of these designers (especially when not one set was, but many) such epic "wunderwalkers" did that you can be stunned. Without instructions ...



1994 year. Graduation class. Exam on geometry. As I remember, there were 26 tickets. I taught them on my own technology - one from the beginning, the second from the end, etc. As a result, it so happened that only the 13-th ticket I did not even open, I knew all the others by heart.

Before the exam, at 8 in the morning, having drunk a classmate with a couch and purity of mind, a bottle of beer, went to the exam. Do I have to say that I got exactly the 13 ticket? In another way, with my level of luck, it simply could not be.

There was a theorem about the fact that at an equilateral quadrilateral, it is a rhombus, how not to twist, the diagonals intersect at 90 degrees. We must prove. I don't remember anything. As a result, he proved through two other theorems, proving them together. The teacher said that I did everything in one place, and it is done much easier, but because the goal is achieved - the theorem is proved, you - 4 points.

This is the question of the same exam. A modern schoolchild will not show his knowledge in this way: first, the mechanics of the Unified State Exam itself does not allow one to get away from square-nesting thinking, and secondly, they have been taught to use only them.



So here. Why am I all this? I look at modern youth and quietly guess what will happen next. I communicate with modern "specialists", medalists, krasnodomiplnikmami: if everything is by the rules, in the norm - then everything is fine, but as a departure from the standard situation - everything is a dead end, a catastrophe.

And there are many reasons for this.

Take, for example, the same computer toys. I myself - a gamer, with 1991, from the company I do not stick out. Recall the "old school". Without guides, without embedded maps, they sat and understood, cooked a kettle, brains were boiling. Only text quests on the Spectrum of which cost (in English, by the way). And now what? The map, a marker on the quest, came, all the mobs tumbled, loot, went on. We used to be driven from computers - because the "eyes will flow out", but now we need to drive because the brain turns into a monolith, it does not work. There is a graph, there is no sense, reflection is zero ...

A box ... What do they show? I am silent, of course, about the House-2 and other TNTvschinu. There are educational programs, yes, there are few of them, but there are. But even they (and ours, and Discovery, and everything else) also slipped into dull shit - as a rule, a dry flow of facts, without explaining practically why and why.

School, EGE ... - the standard of development of square-nesting thinking. I will not even write that the modern school does not teach to think, but learns to memorize. And 100500 gigabytes in the head of unnecessary information with the inability to process it in life is not needed.

Computers and other equipment ... Previously, in order to play stupidly on a computer, it was necessary to understand this business a little. Now smartphones are out, the experiment has been seen on TV - even monkeys are already trying to do something with them, not to mention children. The nephew of the year in 3 was already able to launch toys there.

Cars ... BUTTON DOWN THE MOUNTAIN! No, have you seen this ad with Klava Schiffer? BUTTON TO SHOOT FROM THE MOUNTAINS !!! Climb the mountain on the mechanics, especially for a beginner, maybe the problem. But, as far as I understand, to go down, except for the brake pedal, nothing is needed ... And then there is a whole button ... Parktronic, automatic parking. Yes, it's all comfortable, but it relaxes ...

Well, and so on through the list.

And it seems that noble intentions are to make life easier for us. But what do we have as a result? The brain is, after all, also a kind of “muscle”: if it is not trained, it will atrophy and no longer work. As a result, we get a snowball: people get stupid, they have to make things simpler to operate, it relaxes the brain, and then see the beginning.

Why am I doing all this? Teach your children to THINK, TO THINK, and not to use, otherwise this planet will turn into something completely dumb.

Although, probably, we have nothing to do. I have a daughter 13 years. And it seems that her grandmother (basically, my mom, that is) brings up mostly, and she does, and it seems according to the canons of the old school, but she’s still dumb ... What to do, I don’t know ...

I finished. Kick, discuss.
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  1. +108
    15 August 2014 08: 49
    The article raises the right questions.

    For example, there is an opinion that it is undesirable for young children to watch TV a lot, all the more undesirable to give them tablets and smartphones with games.
    A child playing a tablet loses imagination, he does everything that was laid down by the program. Children must draw, sculpt, read books, play designers, in this case, the child develops imagination and the ability to correctly perceive the surrounding world.
    The whole difficulty is that in this case, you need to deal with the child, and it is easier for parents to give a tablet and relax.
    1. +24
      15 August 2014 08: 53
      It’s true otherwise, these personalities are obtained (from 0.55):
      1. +16
        15 August 2014 09: 27
        I think progress is not because the path has gone, in any case, progress and the concept and goals have not been formed, at one time, as a result, progress turns out to satisfy human laziness!
        The telly about the computer is to blame for everything, these devices do not develop the imagination of children + society model (consumer).
        1. WKS
          -67
          15 August 2014 09: 55
          The author, as I understand it, is also not 40, but already such a grumbling about the younger generation. Maybe the person was unlucky and did not come across very successful representatives? Creative and talented people are quite rare, unlike their opposites, in any generation. This is especially true of the male half, women are more leveled by nature.
          1. +52
            15 August 2014 11: 35
            Great article, great. The very essence of the problem is salt, so to speak. And it will be even worse! If we don’t remember ourselves, brothers !!!
            1. +22
              15 August 2014 17: 35
              Quote: Stalevar
              Great article, great. The very essence of the problem is salt, so to speak. And it will be even worse! If we don’t remember ourselves, brothers !!!

              But why do slaves need brains, their business is to press the necessary buttons so that the owners' capital grows. At the same time, thinking is useless and even dangerous (for the owners).
              1. +7
                16 August 2014 02: 57
                Here for this and introduced the ege.
                1. +4
                  16 August 2014 09: 54
                  Yes, the exam is aimed at educating a person with clearly defined functional boundaries ...
                  Nikonov popularly showed this in his book "The End of Feminism, or How a Woman Differs from a Man". The outrageous, of course, often goes too far - but! In general, he is right and even - VERY right!
                  1. +1
                    17 August 2014 06: 34
                    and the book is anti-rees! who did not read - I advise you to read! the truth does not agree with everything, with many disagrees, but! and a lot of right thoughts.
              2. +4
                16 August 2014 08: 06
                "Hosts" are also degrading.
            2. dbrektif1997
              +4
              15 August 2014 20: 01
              Oh .... as I agree !!!
            3. +11
              15 August 2014 22: 57
              After reading the article, it is worth remembering why they destroy Soviet education.
              1. -28
                16 August 2014 09: 09
                Do not overestimate the "Soviet education", it did not help us preserve the USSR ... at least.
                1. +17
                  16 August 2014 12: 16
                  for it helped survive in the 90s
                2. +4
                  17 August 2014 06: 38
                  Soviet education provided the fundamental basis of knowledge, a lot of what was laid down in school came in handy at a very mature age, and the current one - well, I don’t know if the current graduates can live at least without a salary, like we did in 90 ... then it doesn’t work ...
                  1. +1
                    17 August 2014 08: 03
                    I’m saying that education should be overestimated. An example of the fact that during the Second World War the kids on an equal footing with adults quite worked for themselves on the machines also says something. Today, children are abandoned by their parents, like our generation. If someone thinks that teachers go to school for the sake of others' children, he is naively mistaken, they go there for money. In addition, teachers often have problems with their own children, which is scary to think.
                    The same applies to medicine (world) - the query "the life expectancy of doctors is" eloquently says that doctors are specialists in diseases, not health. For the sake of fairness, I will say that I put traumatology and other rehabilitation separately.
                    1. Shur
                      0
                      18 August 2014 21: 51
                      Teachers are different, just like other people in life. There are conscientious ones, and there are greedy ones. arrogant, senile and so on. But about the successes, while they are sooo modest, not like the USSR. Our magazines "Yuniy Tekhnik" were turning pendels from Japan into money.
                      You will come to the urologist and the cardiologist. My mother's paramedic is getting sick of the current doctors, who are also the same, give them all the buttons and devices, but they don't know how to diagnose from the fly, they don't treat very well either. She broke her arm, her forearm, they came to the emergency medical care unit, they are gripping, let's cut it. Mother, let me take a look, looked, you grit are kidding, why? Those are her grandma, what do you know, what do you understand? Mother says, she broke both legs and the village paramedic "folded" and in a cast, let's see my legs. Those types of nonsense, my mother says, let's put on a splint, she says I don’t care, I’m not 17, I don’t want to go to the cut with such specialists once again. At home under anesthetic, I did it myself, I don't know how, but after the X-ray they said the norms. True, then when dressing she was displaced, she even told them, but they do not care, all the rules say. So with the offset and remained, small! Was it? They wanted to cut. The doctor generally twisted it at his temple.
              2. +24
                16 August 2014 10: 25
                The Soviet (tsarist) education system was the best in the world. The last time such was recognized by UNESCO in 1985. Then it was destroyed and continues to systematically collapse. By the way, Finland switched to the Soviet education system. Last year I was there as a commander. In Lapeerante, I met with one professor who spoke brilliantly in Russian. He told me that Finland purposefully introduces the Soviet education system. And now it ranks first in Europe in terms of education. We cannot return to the Soviet system, even if we really want to. This system rested on the high decency of the teacher, teacher. A lack of conscience destroyed the exam system. The exam is a protection against corruption of teachers and teachers. And now they are purposefully finishing off the system itself. They replaced the principles of school education, before there was a logical system, and now it is contemplatively observant. Some nonsense. In order to return that Soviet system and exams based on the development of logical thinking, you must first educate an honest, worthy, conscientious teacher and teacher. Dignity, honor, knowledge - should be at the head of education. And the exam can be left as admission to exams at the university. Well, the salary, of course. The teacher of the Tsar’s gymnasium received more than 100 tr. in terms of today's money. I don’t even speak about professors (now 20t.r., my salary with bonuses is an average of 30t.r. per month). I am a professor, a doctor of physical and mathematical sciences, and I know the system well from the inside. 40 years at the university, 12 years part-time at school.
                1. -17
                  16 August 2014 13: 30
                  So I’m talking about the same thing. There are all kinds of pieces of iron, incriminating, it, of course, is a necessary thing, necessary in the modern world. That's just a big BUT. This educational system allowed corrupt brainless communists TWICE in the last century to destroy our country - in 1019 and in 1991. They took away from ten to 18 million lives of our citizens only in the Civil War.
                  Actually, I argue that man, in a broad sense, did not create anything that would not harm us directly or indirectly. The main "product" produced by our civilization is garbage.
                  1. +8
                    16 August 2014 16: 03
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    This educational system allowed corrupt brainless communists TWICE in the last century to destroy our country - in 1019 and in 1991. They took away from ten to 18 million lives of our citizens only in the Civil War.
                    From 10, you say, and right up to 18? Why so little. Lies must be monstrous. To be believed by ordinary citizens. And we are already unusual. They already Novodvorskaya, and Solzhenitsyn, and others raised rates. In the Don Cossacks alone, more Cossacks were destroyed more than they were with the women and children in all the Cossack troops of the Russian Empire. And about the Holodomor heard in a single Ukraine. He closed his eyes, as the prophetic Oleg, together with the Communists, subjected the foolish Khazars to vezha swords and fires. Well, lied. Well, not a prophetic Oleg. And what, who believed the one who reigned in Russia in 1019, maybe she was not Russia yet. But the communists, you see, already were, what bastards. Direct enemies of the human race. Come on, at the same time blame them for the destruction of the Tower of Babel. The Lord did not personally destroy, so they chose them. No less than your reliable facts. And the question is not to the point. Where do you hire such people? And how many cents (euro cents) per line do you get? Are there any allowances? Well, there for a special vileness, the meanness of the written ...
                    1. -5
                      17 August 2014 05: 10
                      Quote: 97110
                      Lies must be monstrous. To be believed by ordinary citizens

                      Google to help ... or the Lenin Library, if you like.
                      As for 18, I read this at Osipov http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/8234864/
                      It is at least naive to consider the Communists as lambs of God.
                      A young man, you have a problem with logic and with the construction and tracking of cause and effect relationships. You should at least bother to look at the chronology. The 1917 revolution was the direct cause of the civil war. In the same way as the seizure of power in Ukraine by the junta was the direct cause of the civil war in the Donbass.
                      Instead of labeling, learn to check the information.
                      As for 1991, both Shushkevich, Kravchuk, and Yeltsin were high-ranking members of the CPSU and communists.
                      1. +5
                        17 August 2014 12: 03
                        Thank you for the "young man". I tried to look at the chronology of your post - you indicated the year 1019. Corrupt and vile communists - your definition. Of course, you compared them with highly moral and incorruptible carriers of European values. Let it be - I was especially convinced
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        and Shushkevich, and Kravchuk, and Yeltsin
                        Only
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        high-ranking members of the CPSU
                        does not mean communists. Both the tables of losses, and any other cited figures, especially those cited by you, are as reliable as the assessment of the communists by the final set of corrupt and dastardly individuals. He was professionally engaged in statistics and implementation of automated control systems. You are going to convince me that in 1918 - 1921 in our country, the collection and processing of information was established, accounting was kept, or, as you personally write below, "During the Civil War, from hunger, disease, terror and in battles, died (according to various sources ) from 8 to 13 million people, including about 1 million soldiers of the Red Army. " There is nothing to argue with an accuracy of 8 to 13 million. Only even in Yeltsin's Russia the "Ay-yay-yay", expressed in minimum wages, was supposed to be used for submission of inaccurate reporting. And there is no need to take cancer by the stone - I then asked: "Where are you hired for such a job. And how many cents (eurocents) per line do you get? Are there any allowances?" And writing 700 pages to justify the check digit is not difficult - it would have been a number. And paid in money-dollars. Without respect for the fighter against the Motherland.
                      2. 0
                        17 August 2014 17: 18
                        1019 is a typo, one must read 1917.

                        Yes, yes, everything, as always. These objections are so typical that you wonder. Of the 20 million communists of the USSR, no one stood up for their country. My father was an honest man, a communist, got a heart attack and died in 1993. He also did not try to save the USSR.
                        We are not hired anywhere. There is no struggle, although you need at least a count on your head, you won’t start to think, alas, ah.
                        Minus further, only you minus yourself, not me. You do not want to see the facts, as they say, if the facts do not fit into the picture of the world, the worse for the facts.
                    2. 0
                      17 August 2014 05: 43
                      By the way, here is a table of losses.
                      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%F0%E0%E6%E4%E0%ED%F1%EA%E0%FF_%E2%EE%E9%ED%E0_

                      %E2_%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%E8#.D0.9F.D0.BE.D1.82.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B8_.D0.B2_.D1.85.D0.BE.

                      D0.B4.D0.B5_.D0.B2.D0.BE.D0.B9.D0.BD.D1.8B_.28.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.B1.D0.BB.D0.B8.D1.

                      86.D0.B0.29
                      Loss category Number (thousand people) [104]
                      Total killed and died of wounds 2500
                      Red Army 950
                      White and National Army 650
                      green rebels 900
                      Died as a result of terror 2000
                      from red terror 1200
                      from white terror 300
                      from green terror 500
                      Starvation and epidemics died 6000
                      Total deaths 10500 '
                      Emigrated 2000
                      ↑ Erlichman V.V. Population Losses in the 2004th Century. : Reference book - M .: Publishing house "Russian Panorama", 5. - ISBN 93165-107-1-XNUMX.

                      “Rural production fell by 40%. Almost all of the imperial intelligentsia was destroyed. Those who remained urgently emigrated to avoid this fate.

                      During the Civil War, according to various sources, from 8 to 13 million people died from hunger, disease, terror and in battles, including about 1 million soldiers of the Red Army. Up to 2 million people emigrated from the country. The number of street children increased dramatically after the First World War and the Civil War. According to some data, in 1921 there were 4,5 million homeless children in Russia, according to others, in 1922 there were 7 million homeless children [103]. The damage to the national economy amounted to about 50 billion gold rubles, industrial production fell to 4-20% of the 1913 level. "
                    3. 0
                      17 August 2014 06: 45
                      it is unfortunate that I can put only one plus! need to 100500! Bravo! so them! good
                  2. +8
                    16 August 2014 20: 42
                    Dear, I put you a minus - you are not competent. Trained at the Military University of the USSR, graduated from the Command Academy. I have experience in teaching the Pepsi generation. I agree with the author of the article. Who will replace us? The modern education system is a complete Arctic fox. The catastrophe of the Russian school still ahead, the realization of this had not yet come. The title of candidate of sciences of the USSR was boldly equated with the title of doctor of sciences of world universities. Our Soviet Doctors of Sciences surpassed world academicians in their scientific works and articles, knowledge, practical scientific results. Soviet science was advanced, especially in the military-industrial complex.
                    1. -4
                      17 August 2014 05: 34
                      Nobody argues with the advanced science of the USSR. But the fact remains - this very advanced did not help to save the USSR.
                      And who will replace us? Whom we bring up, that will come.
                      There is the same Sakharov, who is Andrei Dmitrievich, a scientist-physicist of the highest level. And you read his draft constitution http://www.yabloko.ru/Themes/History/sakharov_const.html
                      Points 18, 20, for example. You read and see, either the enemy wrote, or. Which does not contradict his status as a scientist, by the way. As it is rightly written in the annotation to Mukhin's book "Tyranny of stupidity":
                      "Of all forms of tyranny, the most terrible is the tyranny of stupidity. Firstly, because we keep it in ourselves, and secondly, because it is the basis of all other tyrannies. We torture not only others with it, but also ourselves. Why is this happening, is explained in this book.Based on the facts, it turns out that mankind is sharply becoming stupid, but how then to understand the rapid development of technology and technology? There is no contradiction, since this progress is moving due to the narrow specialization of professional activity, and the tyranny of stupidity is the declining ability of people to meaningfully react to changes are not even life, but only social life ... "
                      So it turns out that you can be an outstanding physicist and at the same time write idiotic constitutions.
                      If you are hinting that I am a representative of the "Pepsi" generation, I dare to upset you, I served in the SA, DMB 80, and the troops were in full swing to Afghan.
                      1. 0
                        17 August 2014 12: 07
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        I dare to upset you, I served in the SA, DMB 80

                        I am DMB 79. Be ashamed now - the older one was called young.
                      2. -2
                        17 August 2014 17: 21
                        Behaving as young, that does not honor you. You do not know how and do not want to analyze. You think your opinion is absolute. So, you need to be ashamed.
                  3. +3
                    16 August 2014 21: 58
                    But the Communists for 20 years made Russia agrarian from industrial Russia. And after the Second World War, during two five-year periods they lifted the country out of ruins. So look wider, and do not poke a letter in the letter as an optometrist.
                    1. -5
                      17 August 2014 05: 36
                      Or maybe there would not have been a revolution and the destruction of the country, maybe there would have been no WWII? Look wider, but do not poke a pointer ...
                      1. 0
                        17 August 2014 07: 33
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Or maybe there would not have been a revolution and the destruction of the country, maybe there would have been no WWII?

                        This is all on the topic, and what would happen if ...

                        And what about the First World War? Then there was no Revolution. And the Patriotic War of 1912? And then there was no Revolution. Then where is such confidence that there would be no Second World War? On the contrary, everything suggests that such a war would have been in any case, if only for this reason:
                        1. Something like the Versailles world would still be, and Germany would not accept this.
                        2. The industry of tsarist Russia was still backward and the country was agrarian, and does not say anything that under the tsar, something has improved in this regard.
                        However, this is all on the topic, and what would happen if ...

                        But the Bolsheviks actually
                        Quote: sapper railway
                        For 20 years, they made agrarian Russia industrial from Russia. And after the Second World War, during two five-year periods they lifted the country from ruins.

                        and that is a fact.
                        So
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Look wider, but do not poke a pointer ...
                      2. -2
                        17 August 2014 09: 16
                        And here again the lack of education comes out. Maybe they didn’t teach that? Maybe you need to teach not only physicists and mathematicians?

                        The Patriotic War of 1812 was an act of EXTERNAL aggression, and not the destruction of the country with their own hands. If you do not understand this, you and your loved ones can only be pitied.

                        About the Second World War, this is an assumption - no one wants to guaranteely rake a cage in the presence of a strong army from the alleged victim. Today, Russia has the second strongest army in the world and no one has the desire to rake.

                        Backward countries do not build submarines, planes and modern ships. And in the Russian Empire all this was built. And much was FIRST in the world. Remember the same Sikorsky.

                        And what the Bolsheviks did in 20 years, taking more than 10 million of our citizens to you, of course, to a damn. It's a pity. For me, it is human lives that are of value, not glands.

                        Here are some links about pre-revolutionary Russia:
                        http://www.cisdf.org/TRM/Ionzev/book-6.6.html
                        http://dbelyaev.ru/how-to-live-in-russia-100-years-ago-10469.html
                        http://forum.e-gzhel.ru/index.php?showtopic=2724
                        http://valhalla.ulver.com/f383/t11430.html

                        That is, the Bolshevik Communists first destroyed the economy, losing qualified personnel (the same Sikorsky), and then began to rebuild it heroically.

                        In general, it’s hard for you to part with stereotypes. Almost impossible.
                      3. Shur
                        0
                        18 August 2014 22: 25
                        "The Patriotic War of 1812 was an act of EXTERNAL aggression, not the destruction of the country with YOUR own hands. If you do not understand this, you and your loved ones can only be pitied."
                        Interesting of course. Then turn on the logic yourself and take it - the USSR did not collapse on its own. For this in the united states give awards and celebrate the holiday. No, they helped. Even the example of today's Ukraine will help you to rethink all the moments of work on the collapse of the USSR. The Ukrainians themselves are guilty, they seem to be, but they were not helped, they seemed to be helped. The monarchy in Russia did not hold out one way or another. Communism did not turn into socialism and has sunk into oblivion. To summarize, if you are right, why do we have the same "friends" and the same situation? The Communists are gone. Geopolitical games generally leave little untouched. Now, when the wave of their technologies for the decomposition of society, the substitution of concepts, the various divisions and the exclusion of common values, how do you assess, are we ourselves too? You are certainly logical, but not entirely. It is clear that it is difficult to believe in such a neglect of the situation, but it will still be. We are already in the war, but we still haven't understood, because the sun seems to be shining and the grass is turning green. And we are in a war, just in the wrong phase. And there are already plenty of suitable performers, so to speak, "self-destruction".
                      4. -2
                        17 August 2014 12: 25
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Or maybe there would not have been a revolution and the destruction of the country, maybe there would have been no WWII?

                        Dear, you puffed out your cheeks when this pearl was born:
                        Young man, you have a problem with logic and with the construction and tracking of causal relationships
                        that even ashamed to argue. Are you serious, or to seed the discussion? That, if there were no revolution, the elite would not have changed in Russia, for 1000 years they believed that "women will give birth to new ones." And where would we come to in 1941? There are many options here - starting with the conflict on the Chinese Eastern Railway, the country was constantly tested for its ability to fight back. And with a holy bloody king (and he would not have become a saint - only a bloody one), what would have been built in RI? Do you seriously think that the officers, intellectuals, and other liberals and democrats who were later destroyed could have brought the war to a victorious end? Could the necessary development of the country be ensured on the basis of apparently democratic values? Overtake Germany in the development of the military industry? Yes, you, my friend, are joking.
                      5. 0
                        17 August 2014 17: 33
                        Amazing stubbornness and unwillingness to learn. I have thrown links to you here, you must assume that you did not bother to read them.
                        So, all the revolutions, and 1905, and 1917, and 1991 in Russia / USSR. And the Arab in northern Africa, and the Ukrainian Maidan. Even the French bourgeois revolution, and that is arranged according to one training manual by the Anglo-Saxon special services.
                        I repeat, if something does not fit into your picture of the world, ask yourself the question, is it true with you?
                      6. 0
                        18 August 2014 23: 43
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Amazing stubbornness and unwillingness to learn. I have thrown links to you here, you must assume that you did not bother to read them.
                        So, all the revolutions, and 1905, and 1917, and 1991 in Russia / USSR. And the Arab in northern Africa, and the Ukrainian Maidan. Even the French bourgeois revolution, and that is arranged according to one training manual by the Anglo-Saxon special services.
                        I repeat, if something does not fit into your picture of the world, ask yourself the question, is it true with you?

                        Judging by your arguments, you also look at this problem with wide eyes. When I spent this time in history lessons at school, the teacher drew the attention of my class to one fact at the end of the 19th century at one of the conferences where the Russian delegation was signed, an agreement the meaning of which was simple if the country does not have the technical means to use its resources it is obliged to give possession of these resources to the country that has the technical ability to use them. Honestly, had there not been a revolution and the USSR, Russia would have become an appendage of England or France or someone else, there was no one to destroy the colonial system and we would most likely not have been born
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                  4. +3
                    17 August 2014 10: 52
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    EtА education system allowedИ corrupt brainless communists TWICE in the last century to destroy our country - in 1019 and in 1991

                    Rudeness "paints" you, "smart and honest" you are ours.
                    You insult many honest, sincere people who have given their lives for a bright future. It’s not their fault that in 1991 really corrupt people under the guise of communists really destroyed the country.
                    PS in 10nineteen . A masterpiece of a very smart and competent person! Twice, in one digit? Or did the Communists actually accomplish something like this in 19?
                    Article plus !!! And many comments! Not yours.
                    1. -1
                      17 August 2014 21: 16
                      Do not cling to typos, I have already said that you need to read not 1019 (it is generally not clear what the date is), but 1917.
                      Put downsides, I don't give a damn about it. The fact remains that corrupt, brainless communists have destroyed our country twice in the last century. In the civil war alone, millions of our citizens died and the economy was destroyed. Whether you like it or not, the communists "threw" both the peasants - the land to the peasants, and the workers - the factories to the workers.
                      On the conscience of the Communists Chechnya, Transnistria, Karabakh ... I will not list everything.
                      Whether you like it or not, today, thanks to Putin, the people in Russia live as richly as they never lived in the foreseeable past.
                      I cited the above links, read for completeness. I will also add - http://politikus.ru/articles/12732-pravlenie-nikolaya-ii-cifry-fakty-i-mify.html
                      1. 0
                        17 August 2014 22: 47
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        Like it or not

                        You have a "typo" again (in the keyboard?)
                        Probably you should read: "... and today, thanks to Putin, the people in Russia live as richly as ever will not live in the foreseeable past.
                        Reading your pearls, you understand that the response to the "white" terror was inadequately weak.
                      2. 0
                        18 August 2014 05: 39
                        Right! All cut! How do you think ... On the creation you need a normal education, you have a solid destructive. Cut down the forests - I’ve felled everyone, I’ll destroy people of all dissenters ... There’s no need for a big mind.

                        I repeat, whether you like it or not, namely the Bolshevik Communists (RSDLP-VKPb-KPSS) TWICE in the last century destroyed our country - in 1917 and in 1991. The publicly celebrated Great October Revolution was the direct cause of the civil war of 1918-1923 in which millions died our citizens, the country's economy was almost completely destroyed. There is a direct analogy with today's Ukraine - the Nikolaev shipyards do not build anything else, the industry is destroyed ... These are already the fruits of 1991. I’m wondering if the commander of the unit whose tanks fired at the government’s house in Moscow was a communist.

                        Not being able to master the information on the links given by me, watch the ten-part series of documentaries about pre-revolutionary Russia - "Russian economic miracle. Pages of history."
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlwtpxUbYyI
                  5. Shur
                    0
                    18 August 2014 22: 12
                    In a civil war, there are at least two sides to the conflict, and in the case of Russia, there is also the west-direct exporter of the revolution and its sponsor. example -Ukraine, I think a visual one. So, to be consistent, the responsibility for the victims should be divided into all, and especially those same, sworn Western friends. Seeing the culprit only as a result of Western intelligence is flawed.
                2. 0
                  17 August 2014 06: 43
                  yeah how so! Now the last pedagogical universities have been recognized as ineffective and are either subject to closure or merging with technical ones (for example, Magnitogorsk State University, where against the background of the leadership’s rector’s accusation of corruption, the universities simply merged am )
            4. In Russia
              +5
              16 August 2014 02: 00
              No, not a great article. It will not be worse not better. As always. I will try to argue. (My statements are based on my own observations. I am a teacher myself. I have been working with students since 2002)
              1. It seems to us that young people are not creative, because they do not know how to make the same "inventions" as we did in our time. Nonsense, they have other interests.
              2. The author of the article as an argument cites the inability to play computer games on his own. Is this an indicator of the mental development of our entire younger generation? Who plays games? Answer: there is nothing to do. I have many students who develop these games themselves.
              3. The author drove through the system of assessing knowledge of school graduates. Here the question is not unambiguous. It is known that the quality of applicants-schoolchildren of Soviet and current is different. In my opinion, this is because applicants for vocational schools (by the standards of the USSR) go to higher education.
              I could discuss this for a long time (and I invite you), but I am ready to say seriously: “There is no stupidity of the Russian guys, they are very creative, interesting, promising, competent, and most importantly, for the most part, the SAME Kulibins and Tsiolkovskys ...
              I forgot to say why it will not be worse with minds in Russia: mind is not a product of the education of the state system or the scientific community, it is a GIFT of nature. My father used to say: "Son, there are many literate people, but few smart ones!"
              1. +1
                16 August 2014 09: 57
                + for indifference, but not so simple! but the fact is that even the exam will not kill talents (but it can weaken them ...).
              2. Izon
                0
                16 August 2014 10: 02
                strongly agree!
              3. +5
                16 August 2014 10: 42
                In my old age, I have an adult daughter and three teenagers. I agree with the author 100%! But it's not about the youth itself, it's about the parents! Instead of raising a child, as was done in the USSR, and there was education there at school, at home, and at the institute - now children are brought up mainly by computer technology. At school, the teachers are just stupid, arrogant, not teaching children what to think - even to write! Spelling canceled! the literacy of the population is evident from the way people write on the Internet. Often, it is simply illiterate. At the same time, they say: "What is it, I have expressed my opinion?" Young people know neither history nor geography - I know this from my children's classmates. Question: "What happened on May 9, 1945?" - baffles them. What will happen to the country next?
          2. +4
            15 August 2014 11: 35
            Quote: wks
            The author, as I understand it, is also not 40, but already such a grumbling about the younger generation ...

            This is a natural phenomenon, the progress of information technology is accelerating, as a result - the gap in the approach to the perception of information from generation to generation increases. 30 years later, senior students will already grumble at first graders that "they are wrong, but in our time ..."
            1. +8
              15 August 2014 18: 10
              ...... As for the perception, I can argue .... To be able to knock on the keyboard - you don't need a lot of brains .... And the rest of these certified "specialists" do not know how ... You dig deeper into their knowledge - a complete stupor .... For example, one "specialist" - an electrical engineer came to me somehow .... To a simple question: Kirgoff's law he could not answer at all ... I barely remembered Ohm's law .... We were taught with our heads work .... and at best they all follow the template ... hi
              1. -4
                15 August 2014 21: 27
                Quote: aleks 62
                ...... As for the perception, I can argue .... To be able to knock on the keyboard - you don't need a lot of brains .... And the rest of these certified "specialists" do not know how ... You dig deeper into their knowledge - a complete stupor .... For example, one "specialist" - an electrical engineer came to me somehow .... To a simple question: Kirgoff's law he could not answer at all ... I barely remembered Ohm's law .... We were taught with our heads work .... and at best they all follow the template ... hi

                I can also argue that the point is in the ability to operate with information. With the modern volume and availability of information, it is rather not the level of his knowledge that is important, but the ability to find and replace the missing in the "online" mode. This is where things are going.
                For example, I am a construction contractor, I do not have an engineering degree, and this absolutely does not prevent me from completing the knowledge gaps "on the go" and doing the job correctly, if I had a smartphone with the Internet at hand.
                1. +4
                  15 August 2014 22: 30
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  With the modern volume and availability of information, it is rather not the level of his knowledge that is important, but the ability to find and replace the missing in the "online" mode.

                  An engineer is not one who knows everything, but one who knows where to find the information he needs. This is old wisdom, then books were the main medium of information.
                  A smartphone with internet is good, of course. But when faced with the search for serious information, without books anywhere. Although, I admit, the volume of books and documents posted on the Internet in various forms is growing by leaps and bounds.
                  Are you engaged in construction contracts in Israel or in Russia? smile
                  1. +3
                    15 August 2014 23: 49
                    In Israel, of course (the checkbox is the same), I’ll tell you more, I have access to information sources in three languages, and serious professional information in English resources, still several orders of magnitude more than in Russian or Hebrew, you can really find everything there from replacing batteries to the step-by-step instructions for removing the appendix. I learned how to sort and repair household appliances on rollers on YouTube, for example, all minor breakdowns.
                    1. Stypor23
                      +3
                      16 August 2014 00: 17
                      Quote: And Us Rat
                      I learned how to sort and repair household appliances on rollers on YouTube, for example, all minor breakdowns.

                      You pasatri, what a curious young man, and maybe not young. laughing.From what it means to correctly use improvised sources of information for training. All the same, the world encyclopedia is an extremely useful thing in the economy of a modern person. I also repaired the dividend and learned other things. I will put + for the correct use of Internet.
                    2. old man 72
                      +4
                      16 August 2014 00: 19
                      I learned how to sort and repair equipment on YouTube videos ........, and you would try to repair it without YouTube videos, which is weak. And we were taught to disassemble and assemble and even repair without any instructions, so YOU Specialists drive on wide roads with markings and signs, and on a narrow path YOU will be stuck in the first pothole.
                      1. Stypor23
                        0
                        16 August 2014 00: 26
                        Quote: old man 72
                        And we were taught to disassemble and assemble and even repair without any instructions

                        Well, it's just gorgeous. You were taught to see you even under the USSR. But right now, you won’t go far without your enthusiasm.
                      2. 0
                        16 August 2014 04: 17
                        Quote: old man 72
                        And we were taught ...

                        This is the difference - you TEACHEDbut I am not, I studied without outside help. Do you feel the difference?
                        But I learned with youtube, and you would be without you were taught, wouldn’t have learned (without breaking a bunch of equipment using the spear method). fool

                        Quote: old man 72
                        YOU are specialists to drive along wide roads with markings and signs, and you will be stuck on a narrow path in the first pothole.

                        Catch up first - then teach. tongue
                      3. +4
                        16 August 2014 10: 24
                        ... to everything in life, a person must finish himself! here I am - drinking, smoking, talking, I started SIMULTANEOUSLY! ... (RAIKIN, if anyone does not remember)
                        without basic education - as in everything in life - you will not go far, even with excellent abilities! (A lot of examples in life, sometimes very very sorry for such people, and I help as much as I can ...) as on a super-fast car - as if it were walking!
                        PS, on this site, by the way, there are such: it is clear that oh-oh-so-so guys ... but - education fails ... what a pity! although - they think, and cho - we are successful guys, we have something more than you, then we are better, or at least not worse ..
                        Odessa joke - "if you're so smart, where's your money? .." - a very stupid joke ...
                        correct, consistent basic education gives a normal person a correct picture of the world! understanding of the interaction of its parts and elements!
                        Americans, for example, think (psaka!) that a smart Jew or a Japanese invented a smartphone yesterday ... and built this little thing for her ...
                        a smartphone, a TV, a computer, a car, and all-all-all: the result and fruit of the millennia-old development of mankind, the masses of people, their collective work for thousands of years ... without the first stick raised by some moron, without the first stone taken into your hand even a big jerk, there would be no computers ...
                      4. 0
                        17 August 2014 12: 20
                        I completely agree with you. My eldest had a mathematics teacher (an old woman), she always had 3 options on the tests, for a difficult (usually a couple of lessons ahead) -5 well, and up to 3 points. As a result, competition! I am proud of my daughters. While studying at the gymnasium, she passed the category of knowledge of the Estonian language (although she was a citizen by birth and knew the language), she did not reach 4 points for the highest. The old school taught me to think, assiduity (Filipok-story), the most important thing is to think LOGICALLY! Can it be messy? But Daughter Knows English, Gishpan, Estonian Cho-that isho teaches. (for a student + -100 Jews!?) And I'm a pensioner-98. Study Children, otherwise how the younger 1000 * 340 = climbs behind the calculator R.S. Gentlemen Moderators AND YOU GENTLEMEN OFFICERS - do not scold the old sergeant, but the teams "Accept the emphasis!" - did not cancel!
                      5. Shur
                        0
                        18 August 2014 22: 43
                        I really hope that you are right, but the French architect spent 10 years and a lot of efforts and modern technologies to understand how the Giza pyramids were built, and when he finally understood, he was in shock. So, on a stick, the question is still very big. By the way, the film is on YouTube, entertainingly, the person reproduced the principles of their construction, but not the purpose. He was shocked by what he found out. How, how they did it in those days. Here is a real example of the fact that not everything is so simple in this world.
                      6. 0
                        17 August 2014 06: 54
                        for the first half of the post - a HUGE plus, but for the second ... well, you can’t! negative
                    3. 0
                      16 August 2014 10: 07
                      information - yes, a lot ... but boshka what! Well, this information, it is necessary to "process", and at least - to a minimum - correlate with the possibilities ...
                    4. 0
                      16 August 2014 10: 17
                      Well, you never know. Your knowledge of the Russian language may well indicate that you can carry things in Russia.
                      With the on-line translators now available, you can confidently search and evaluate documents in at least three dozen languages. If the info is useful, finding a translator is not a problem right now. But YouTube ... I don’t know what you call minor breakdowns, for me, to eliminate minor breakdowns, there is still enough school knowledge of physics and labor lessons. Although, I must admit, with respect to household appliances, I became like an American - broke down - into the furnace.
                2. +2
                  16 August 2014 10: 04
                  and I am a civil engineer with two higher degrees ... and I have seen enough of the results of the work of such "scoundrels" -businessmen in my old life, and racked up crap after you guys - be healthy!
                  no offense! but - you don’t know for yourself - attract someone who knows! if God gave you administrative talent and business ability ... and money on a smartphone ...
            2. 0
              16 August 2014 09: 59
              yes damn it, read Stanislav Lem, after all! "The sum of technology", "Megabit bomb", and much more ...
              that's who the last misanthrope is, but - did not cry about the future for humanity ...
          3. -2
            15 August 2014 11: 45
            It’s you who yourself have equalized, apparently !!!!!!!!!!! am am am
            1. +4
              15 August 2014 15: 37
              Quote: I am
              It’s you who yourself have equalized, apparently !!!!!!!!!!! am am am

              And now explain in intelligible Russian, what semantic load you tried to put in this surge of inarticulate emotions.
          4. +4
            15 August 2014 14: 52
            I don’t know, my wife’s friend doesn’t know on which side to make money if they happen to be wrong. For half an hour I explained where the car’s gas hatch went and then refueled it and each time it was like that my wife was aching so I could help her get married so now my husband almost goes to the wall so when he was born a child went on vacation to help her swaddles everything with a baby is called went to work now his mother the amount goes off because the mother-in-law ran away with the words and then the roof will go to the girl 26. I myself didn’t prove the theorem more than once by teaching the theorem just by the teacher in the classroom I solved problems of any kind according to a simplified scheme, not like in a textbook or in a task book, so I never got more than three because the teacher checked according to the solution they were selling in the store, but I don’t get the Russian language, although I write in my native language without errors and speak Russian without an accent, and the rest of the subjects were given to me so easily that I managed not once to read the books to hand them over, but right now I’m looking at getting younger and wondering if people are 5-8 years younger and can’t do anything without instruction creativity, although there are some guys who are very nimble, but in the bulk of the main boob and ambitions are higher than the roof, even I am very far from the level of my father, a man has simply unprecedented engineering abilities.
            So it happens that with every generation we are all dumb.
            1. +15
              15 August 2014 15: 43
              Against this, there is one two-sided medicine - curiosity and a craving for self-improvement. For example, do not be offended, check your comment for spelling errors. You will be surprised at what kind of doping the results will serve for you.
              1. +4
                15 August 2014 23: 37
                Quote: And Us Rat
                Against this, there is one two-sided medicine - curiosity and a craving for self-improvement. For example, do not be offended, check your comment for spelling errors. You will be surprised at what kind of doping the results will serve for you.

                You won’t believe it, but it will surprise you too!
              2. +1
                16 August 2014 20: 05
                The man wrote that he is not Russian. His tongue was hard. Before faulting it is necessary to read carefully !!!
              3. 0
                17 August 2014 03: 11
                Quote: insafufa
                explained where the car’s gas tank hatch then drove and refueled it

                In such cases, only muscle motility can help. You take the student’s hand into your own and repeat all the necessary actions. Education helps even fools, all that a person needs is to repeat the action, though the pros will not work, but he can also do it. I will give an example. I know how to finely chop cabbage for salad, and the other wants to make a salad, and constantly asks me to chop cabbage, so after a couple of times it gets me, he picks up a knife, I take his hand in mine and repeat the action, after several repeats it already cuts on my own, though a little worse.
                Also with the refueling machine. If the explanation doesn’t help, take it into the hands of a person, bring it to the machine and open the tank with your hand, after repeating it will be able to do it yourself. You drive up to the gas station, take 5 liters and also do it, a few repetitions with final control and then there will be no problems with refueling.
                Checked and more complicated. In general, it took me about one month to do one thing, to understand the subtleties, when I had to learn, it took me a day to teach another, to do the same.
            2. +10
              15 August 2014 16: 37
              Dear insafufa, I I do not know what theorems did you prove, but you can’t distort the Russian language SO: "I don’t know my wife’s girlfriend doesn’t know which side to milk the bag if something goes wrong." Of course, I understand that typos and the like happens, I myself am not sinless, but you can't write "NOW" in the word NOW or write "NOTHING" !!! I ask you, when you write, pay attention to the words underlined in red, otherwise what kind of teaching your children can we talk about ?!
              1. +1
                16 August 2014 00: 48
                Quote: Varyag_1973
                Dear insafufa, I do not know what theorems you proved


                the article clearly says what.
            3. +2
              15 August 2014 17: 45
              Dear! In Russian (if you don’t know) there are also punctuation marks! So there’s nothing to write in one line!
            4. +2
              16 August 2014 08: 07
              Quote: insafufa
              we are all dumb.

              Your spelling is especially noticeable.
            5. 0
              16 August 2014 10: 29
              noticeably ... hi takuy?
              (follow the grammar and syntax! No, there’s no new-newser, of course, and yes, but no one canceled a competent speech ... There was no President’s decree ... however, Chernomyrdin was ... talking ... I pissed off my boots ...)
            6. 0
              16 August 2014 23: 20
              If you are not friends with Russian, then it’s better not to write. If he was so clever that he proved theorems once or twice, then at least he would break the text into sentences. And put commas, at least in front of A and BUT. It feels like a third-grader was a high school student.
              He also talks about creativity. He does not know elementary rules. A shame!
          5. koshh
            +7
            15 August 2014 21: 01
            Quote: wks
            Creative and talented people are quite rare, unlike their opposites, in any generation.


            I do not agree with you. When I graduated from school in 1968, then in our class there were at least 50% of creative personalities, talented - about 4 people (three doctors of sciences, one candidate). Of the entire class, 96% came to the institute (the main thing would be a desire). Of these, pilots, airborne commanders, metallurgists, economists, lawyers, engineers, builders, railroad workers, etc. and even one KGB officer. I understand that now is a different time, different youth and she has different interests. But the knowledge and ability to use it, unfortunately, is weak among current youth. You ask any student anything from the multiplication table. Hear that this is all on the tablet, why teach it. So in his mind he will not be able to count how much 8x9 will be. My son, fortunately, studied at a Soviet school, but his grandson ... It’s impossible to tear it away from a computer, it has reached even a visit to a psychologist. I think that the main fault lies with the parents, who, unfortunately, very often do not have enough time to practice with their children. For this I appeal to everyone who has or will have children. Educate and waste time on your children; no school, no teacher can replace your attention to them.
            1. 0
              17 August 2014 17: 35
              If you graduated from school in '68, then the guys in your class went through a serious selection. Usually, after the eighth grade, three and three students dropped out of school. GPTU and technical school provided them with a profession and education. And in my opinion the time of universal secondary education has not yet come. Although it may be wrong, specify. I don’t remember when the law on universal secondary education was adopted in the USSR. It is necessary to deal with children all their conscious life.
              Sincerely.
            2. Shur
              0
              18 August 2014 22: 54
              I don’t know, I don’t know, but the teachers were not the same and now the rockets are falling more and more often.
          6. +4
            15 August 2014 22: 26
            I support ... when we with a sidekick start drinking on a bench to discuss economic reforms in the USA in the 19th century ... cops shy away from us :-)
            1. Stypor23
              +2
              16 August 2014 00: 50
              Quote: ibnvladimir
              when we start to drink with a sidekick on a bench to discuss US economic reforms in the 19th century ... the cops shy away from us :-)
          7. +6
            16 August 2014 00: 17
            I can’t get the word creative, creativity. Our generation did not have such words for 52 years, we just thought, analyzed and created. Enough of these Americanisms - zadolbali!
          8. 0
            16 August 2014 09: 50
            yeah, even just a few creative people. so nature conceived. elementary: people with creative thinking may even be illiterate (come across!) or very educated (come across ...), but - these people do not integrate very well into society! and man is a public animal (not herd !!!)
          9. +1
            16 August 2014 11: 18
            I want to support you WKS, honestly I never stoop to articles of this level, but the number of comments to it is something very unhealthy. When I tried to give things really necessary on the pages of this site with the aim of raising average aikyu, I barely got 30 comments and from them only 10 could be answered by starting a conversation.
            ARGUMENTS?
            1. The author confuses infantilism with a formatted consciousness (or stupidity, to whom it is more convenient). Why is the army called the school of life, and why is it believed that serving young people is beneficial? The army cures well of infantilism. When a person is given to understand that no one will do anything for him, as a rule, after that they learn very quickly and even ingenuity comes. If a child had only three Lego with the prospect of new 0, he would quickly figure out how others can be rebuilt. With an abundance of toys, I would not blame the child, the child simply collects a new vision of the universe for him, to which the author himself could not mash.
            2. Encourage to THINK and REFLECT golden words, only this is mechanics, and after a kick in the ass, if you want to live, it starts to work, but if the author would urge to fight against infantilism, where the moral and ethical aspects are clearly present, his topic would become popular.

            People ... people ... just people.
            1. 0
              18 August 2014 08: 34
              there is still such an interesting neologism: - imperfect adults ...
          10. Alex_Popovson
            +1
            16 August 2014 12: 18
            I’ll support you, WKS, in terms of language you won’t say at all that the author is forty or so.
            Maybe the person was unlucky and did not come across very successful representatives?

            Well, people are really getting dumb, only a story is recalled when, in the years of famine, after the Great Patriotic War, people were specifically told when buying ice cream: "Don't put in your pockets, or eat right away, or in a cold chamber." Let's not say that people were stupid then.
            Creative and talented people are quite rare, unlike their opposites, in any generation.

            To a point, it is now fashionable to divide everyone into intellectuals. Although when it was not fashionable.
            nature has leveled women more strongly

            A woman is generally an alien.
          11. +2
            16 August 2014 17: 36
            I, too, am not 40, but I was born in the USSR and such people are immeasurably higher in the intelligence of the current d.bilov, I am already silent about wit in extreme situations !!! soldier (the word de.bill is quite censored apparently moderated by the same d.e. beats) !!!
        2. 0
          16 August 2014 09: 46
          progress is an evolutionary process; it has no free will and freedom! they have a man! and then freely and freely chosen goals have it - of a man ... in a perverted form, for example, in the form of an exam!
          It has long been said - the exam has been copied from French medical rehabilitation programs and downs.
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      2. +8
        15 August 2014 09: 41
        Everything is as simple as always

        Lyrics of Aria - White Flag

        The luxury of shop windows, the light of bright lights
        You lived easy, lived without melting
        But in this paradise someone let animals
        Your pride is trampled in the mud

        White flag - blood has gone from veins
        Sticky fear colder than ice
        Take a step - cities surrender
        Without struggle, without fire, forever

        Animals everywhere climb out of dark holes
        So scary dreams came true
        There is no one to fight back
        Everything here has long been against the war

        Our world with iPhones and all-consuming consumption is rolling in J.
      3. +18
        15 August 2014 12: 04
        Quote: mirag2
        It’s true otherwise such personalities are obtained

        Or such shots, the denouement at the end of the video. As the saying goes, late doctor, the patient died. Here they are the charms of the Western education system. Urgently return the Scoop system.
        1. +12
          15 August 2014 14: 46
          "The article is definitely" + "!! I would put them on a dozen ... Generation 90+ ... - born in 2000 is a pipe in every sense - lost tightly and forever. Neither brains, nor literacy, nor culture, nor national identity!
          Yes! That was the period with us. Everything is natural! But it is also depressing that this contingent educates children who have had time to give birth to the world!
          I don't know how to treat it. But I am very ashamed! "

          This is my comment on the material on museum visitors mentioned by the author. He’s good here too ...
        2. +3
          15 August 2014 14: 58
          He can’t connect two words. And mate please !!!
          1. +1
            15 August 2014 23: 43
            Quote: andron352
            He can’t connect two words. And mate please !!!

            A mate is the connection between words, even if there are only two of them!
        3. +3
          15 August 2014 15: 14
          ,, the peasant grows! ”I still haven’t got any brains - but I’m cursing no worse than a convict! I would like to, congratulate my mother, - I made myself like that (and I also took part in the folder ...) !!! And how many ,, such ,, ....? !
          1. 0
            16 August 2014 10: 36
            convicts do not swear - zapadlo! ...
        4. 0
          15 August 2014 17: 29
          Yes, it is true, though a lot depends on the teacher.
          1. dbrektif1997
            +3
            15 August 2014 20: 04
            Not one, even the most ingenious and advanced teacher can replace a family .....
        5. xana usa
          0
          15 August 2014 21: 03
          well, frankly, well-fed but not educated, this replica from the cartoon of the USSR and then and now is and will be "now blunted in the word budud where the mistake is getting old, dumb" someone is smarter, someone is more stupid, but someone is a fool, fortunately far not all young people are as stupid as they want to assure us of this
        6. +1
          16 August 2014 07: 03
          If I, just like the teacher, had told my parents in due time. Then my brains were smeared on the wall !!! laughing
          1. 0
            17 August 2014 07: 12
            about the "brains on the wall" I doubt very much, but on zh.pe strap is as much as necessary! and by the way, a question for the admins: how is there a zh.o. but there is no such word? disorder!
        7. 0
          17 August 2014 07: 08
          a month ago, my friend gave a link to this video. at first I watched a laugh (I apologize for being rude) and then, after thinking it became sad: with my mother I did not MATTER even in mature, and EXTREMELY mature years. so the author of the article ++++++++
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        10. 0
          18 August 2014 09: 01
          The verse is certainly simpler, but we are only 4 years old))
      4. +1
        15 August 2014 14: 47
        To go nuts, he’s annealed the guy, I wouldn’t have lasted a couple of seconds.
        1. +1
          16 August 2014 00: 56
          Quote: tolyasik0577
          Go nuts


          What delighted you? Envious of the education of the child?

          What parents - such a son.
      5. 0
        16 August 2014 17: 31
        it is difficult to call such people personalities (((especially amers ...
    2. +15
      15 August 2014 09: 32
      if we had a lot of fine motor development of the brain, now children have 3 knots and monotonous uniform movements ..
      1. +25
        15 August 2014 10: 10
        Quote: Kostoprav
        if we had a lot of fine motor development of the brain, now children have 3 knots and monotonous uniform movements ..

        Yes, that’s not the point. in the article more about the brains of our children. The author reflects. and I agree with him 100%. in childhood, like all the kids of the USSR, we played football in the summer, hockey in the winter, in the spring we launched boats (a piece of polystyrene foam, a match, a piece of sail), after showing three musketeers on the telly, we all became musketeers, made swords, after a black arrow everyone made swords from shtaketin, brains and fantasy worked shorter, regular exercise and fresh air developed the body (a healthy mind in a healthy body), and now ......
        1. +1
          15 August 2014 14: 10
          ... now it’s just not necessary. That is the problem. Why imagine something if everything is already in the HD, and with shaders?
        2. +1
          16 August 2014 10: 43
          ... made of foam? what is it!
          (young isho! in our time there was no polystyrene yet, and the boats were folded from a notebook sheet! and thoroughly - to cut out a piece of pine (!!!) bark ... why try the pine, you will find out ... it's almost the same polystyrene by texture and properties! but you still need to get the bark! go to the forest ... carefully break off the old (!!!) pine tree from the trunk ... and so on ... you still need a penknife, every kid has a clear stump. ..)
    3. +16
      15 August 2014 10: 09
      The main thing is to teach your child fiction. Today's computer games for the most part only dilute the brain. In our country, there are a lot of music and sports schools, a lot of circles that for some reason the youth considers not fashionable, but all their peers are envious of a child who (for example) personally assembled an airplane model from wood from drawings, not from finished parts, but from those which he himself machined.
      But in order to achieve this, you need to work with the child, sometimes forcing him to engage through force. As a result, after a while he himself will understand the benefits of all this, his superiority over his peers who have been sitting at the computer for days on end.
      1. +4
        15 August 2014 13: 57
        I personally consider this to be the most difficult.
        It is believed that now the children do not form visual images obtained from the decoding of the alphanumeric series. Those. they put pockets in words, words in sentences that do not carry much meaning to them.
        Therefore, the direct receipt of these same visual images, often primitive for easier assimilation - such as Sipson - for children seems easier and more enjoyable.
      2. +2
        16 August 2014 10: 54
        to read - it is necessary !!!
        any movie, game or smart gives a VISUAL image created by someone - the only one! and the words in the book allow you to create your own image in your imagination, each has a different one (from the "brain" abilities of a person ...)
        So I had a case ... we watched a movie with a lady - "Conan the Barbarian" with Schwartz. and before that we read the epic about Conan Howard and others like him (there are a lot of them there) ... the exchange of opinions about the kin, I confess, greatly surprised me! "she represented cruelty in a completely different way than the image created in the cinema ... in the cinema - a monster ... and she had another in her head - she told, but this is already, sorry, intimacy ...
        (But there was still Conan - some kind of German, a roll, under which the horse crouched ... in!)
    4. +23
      15 August 2014 11: 17
      It is urgent to revive the Soviet education system, which is recognized as the best in the world, and the current, imposed by the liberals, to a landfill and no longer recall it. And at the same time change the Minister of Education.
      1. 0
        15 August 2014 15: 25
        ... late! It was necessary to think ahead when ,, democracy ,, was built, illness, started, and ,, healers ,, were washed away, fearing responsibility. More than one generation must be replaced so that everything comes to at least some norm. But, the disease’s metastases will continue to interfere with recovery for a long time. Patience and work both on oneself and on the generation of mankurts ...
        1. +1
          15 August 2014 17: 33
          And here is democracy and the political regime in general. The guy can't learn four lines. And that in the Soviet school this was not. Remember the conversation of the headmaster with the mother of the same kid in the great movie "We'll Live Until Monday."
          1. 0
            16 August 2014 10: 56
            dyslexia - verbal blindness ...
      2. +1
        17 August 2014 07: 20
        first of all, it’s time to change the prime minister, then ALL humanitarian and economic ministers, and only then will the education system be POSSIBLE, otherwise nothing will work! an example is a return to winter time. Remember how many years Medvedev and others like him resisted the return, despite all the arguments of both science and the people! needed a resolution of the State Duma (and as soon as they gave birth !!!) in order to prove the depravity and stupidity of the decision!
    5. +10
      15 August 2014 11: 57
      That is why young people shawl everything that they are encouraged to. Reflexes work, no analysis. Easily suggestible mass, believing that Russia and the USSR have always been in za zdnitsa. And the government does not care. Because as a generation of stupid consumers, the engine was sold and sold all crap. The main thing is to tell such a generation that he needs it.
    6. +6
      15 August 2014 12: 02
      What good grown children
      They have amazingly clear faces.
      It’s easier for them, probably, to live in the world -
      It’s easier for them to achieve, it’s easier for them to break through.
      In fact, they say it’s harder:
      all kinds of exams, these competitions
      Well, probably. They, the children, know better.
      But very good children grew up.

      Leonid Martynov, 1927 year.
    7. +2
      15 August 2014 14: 00
      A plus. But too generalized. The child needs not to be given a tablet, but to ensure that there are designers, books, and drawings on the tablet.
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    9. -1
      15 August 2014 16: 35
      The article raises the right questions.

      But what language did the author write !!! Is there really not enough simple Russian words?
      I do not want to offend anyone, but when descending from the mountain, engine braking is applied ...
      1. +1
        15 August 2014 18: 52
        Quote: invisible
        The article raises the right questions.

        ...
        I do not want to offend anyone, but when descending from the mountain, engine braking is applied ...

        In fact, it is both possible, because many driving instructors themselves in driving schools teach them to "coast" down the mountain, like, to save fuel, and with this method only the brake will help.
      2. 0
        16 August 2014 11: 00
        ... and the handbrake, and the brakes - if (like on the old and cargo) rear shoe? and with an engine on a long descent you will throw, even an injector, not to mention a carburetor ...
        or not?...
    10. 0
      15 August 2014 17: 47
      Kicking is not what, this is our real reality .....
      1. -1
        15 August 2014 18: 30
        Yeah, and this is about me. The author is also a reality ...
    11. +1
      15 August 2014 19: 55
      that's right ... and you also need to give science fiction and fairy tales to read. Somehow 40 years ago, when I was still quite young, they confessed that they had been given the position of head of the department because I love science fiction and I can think out of the ordinary ... the zoo had 2 elephants and 4 hippopotamus, during the day 1 people looked at the animals, and how many of them were children ??? " I'm in a trance, my grandmother too, my son Ph.D. was stunned ...
    12. 0
      16 August 2014 00: 54
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      A child playing a tablet loses imagination, he does everything that was laid down by the program. D


      Please, in which scientific journals was this opinion published? If parents are not able to instill a child with curiosity and desire to develop their horizons, then this is the fault of the parents, not the child or his toys. This is actually a well-known fact.
      And as for the "instructions" and "Lego" - if the author is so stressed out by this situation, then why did he only ONE (!) Time (this follows from the article) asked the child's lack of a creative approach and decided to do it?
      In addition, there is such a thing as "statistics" - if you gave 2 examples about one and not a single example about the opposite, this does not mean that you are right.
      So the article more characterizes the inability / unwillingness of individuals to engage in a child.
  2. +27
    15 August 2014 08: 50
    How do we kick it? Whom? You? for what?
    Yes, everything is absolutely correct - I myself loved these designers, and I still remember that they played logic games, and ...
    And most importantly, children need to be taught to think That's why I say that the responsibility for the current generation lies with their PARENTS, first of all!
    1. nvv
      nvv
      +10
      15 August 2014 09: 31
      Isstari, a man was a breadwinner, a woman was engaged in the home and raising children. Emancipation dealt the first blow to education. In the aftermath of these attacks, there have been so many that everyone can’t be listed. And here is the result.
      1. 0
        16 August 2014 11: 03
        emancipation, understood and applied one-sided ...
    2. 0
      15 August 2014 14: 15
      hmm, it’s lying, but Tokma’s parents are only worried about cutting dough, where it is in urgent need, and where in reserve, so the thought is correct de facto, but .....
    3. 0
      15 August 2014 23: 56
      Quote: mirag2
      And most importantly, children need to be taught to think because of this and I say that the responsibility for the CURRENT generation lies with their PARENTS, first of all!

      I agree completely! When I turned 12, my dad gave me "Kovrovets 175". After that I did not get off the motorcycle! By the way, we were from one year of birth (production)!
  3. +5
    15 August 2014 08: 50
    How familiar everything is ............... a non-whipped generation, within reasonable limits dictate is needed (the degree of rationality determines being, beating?) .... the boy's summer (there is a dad, but I rarely see ) - at 10-11 hurray, wake up, then breakfast, loaf, pasta, kefir .... sometimes. Next - "intellectual pastime", comp ... until 20-21 .00. all the river in a kilometer, bike in the basement , I couldn't make a slingshot myself. What to do?
  4. +11
    15 August 2014 08: 50
    I will boast: my boy gathered a ship from a heap of lego. Not a god-all cruiser, but I, a fan of GDR constructors, sighed calmly. What are today's toys? Chinese copies of the state's way of life: cars, weapons, clothes. There is nowhere to put the brains.
    1. +5
      15 August 2014 11: 00
      And I’m 3 years old, he doesn’t have a lego, he has a different one - the meaning is the same, only the cubes are bigger. There are no instructions there, in principle, since he himself builds houses (garages), airplanes. HOORAY!!!!!!!!
    2. +3
      15 August 2014 14: 18
      add to the list - instead of clumsy but beloved soldiers - executed in all the anotomic details of all sorts of - barbie, spidermen (brrrr) and other ducking mens - ugh damn guide am
  5. +1
    15 August 2014 08: 53
    educates mainly her grandmother

    Dad on the weekend?
  6. +21
    15 August 2014 08: 54
    I agree to all 100 ... I finished school with difficulty ... in 1976 there was a shameful, tortured three in Russian, and now, judging by the style and literacy in social networks, they do not teach Russian at all wassat
    1. +1
      15 August 2014 11: 24
      Quote: ordinary
      in Russian there was a shameful, tortured C grade,

      the same thing, caught in a net test in Russian, some questions from the exam, so passed on 4
    2. +6
      15 August 2014 12: 44
      Quote: ordinary
      , judging by the style and literacy in social networks, the Russian language is not taught at all

      When the weekend is called a weekend on the central channels, and the message is a message, it won’t be otherwise. We need to start from the head, and we have government patriotism only in words.
      P.S. Control - Monitoring
      sector - cluster
      creativity - creativity
      Well, other trends through the lips of the first persons of the state.
      1. +4
        15 August 2014 14: 20
        let's just say -Nun Censorship of Western information resources am
        1. +2
          15 August 2014 15: 36
          We need professionals in their places and people worthy of respect in science, art. education ... In the meantime, only - demagogues and projectors! We must understand the consequences that such little things have behind themselves (a trifle, like any muck, easily penetrates a weak organism and poisons all heredity) In degradation, we will soon surpass wild tribes , but with other ,, batons ,,.
          1. 0
            16 August 2014 11: 08
            ... a fable about Socrates and the keeper of the tavern ...
    3. 0
      16 August 2014 00: 03
      Quote: ordinary
      I agree to all 100 ... I finished school with difficulty ... in 1976 there was a shameful, tortured three in Russian, and now, judging by the style and literacy in social networks, they do not teach Russian at all wassat

      My mother taught Russian and literature in the same period. So she emphasized mistakes in my letters from the Army, and I was ashamed!
  7. +6
    15 August 2014 08: 55
    Mdaaa, forgotten games are chizhik, baker, townships .. About small towns especially, in the "bad totalitarian" time, the RSFSR championship in towns was held in the city .. there was a cozy little town stadium, we went to cheer for our own people .. We had strong townspeople , champions of Russia ..
  8. +9
    15 August 2014 08: 55
    I finished. Kick, discuss.Honestly, I don’t know what to say. Comrade, you are not alone in shock smile
  9. Peter76
    +9
    15 August 2014 08: 55
    Why kick it, everything is correctly written.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      +2
      15 August 2014 10: 06
      And also, for a long time only this was, there were 4 central vocational schools - they say so - there were some other abrupt academics! And proof of this is the wisest and most sophisticated tools and products that they left to us.

      What is the bazaar about? We had some conditions, they ........

      People have = Learning Interval! At this time, it is necessary that the teachers in the child have more good and different! And the need for invested knowledge is very difficult to determine but necessary!


      When "troublemakers" are in charge in the country, then, naturally, omissions! hi
      1. 0
        16 August 2014 11: 10
        learning time interval?
        read about academician Amosov ... studied until his death!
  10. +6
    15 August 2014 08: 58
    Thank you for reminding the GDR designer. Was such remembered. I passed my final math exam in 99. Honestly, compared with today, schoolchildren have forgotten how to solve it, they can just guess the answer and that’s it.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      -1
      15 August 2014 10: 19
      Quote: number 17
      schoolchildren generally forgot how to solve, you can just guess the answer and that's it


      Yes? But I used to get high-quality spurs and "in chocolate"!

      Is there a difference, of course?

      But to GUESS - "Soobrazilovka" must also be sharpened!
      1. +1
        16 August 2014 00: 18
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        But to GUESS - "Soobrazilovka" must also be sharpened!

        Well then, you immediately at the casino! Maybe become a billionaire! Although most likely homeless!
  11. calocha
    +2
    15 August 2014 08: 59
    If we don’t change education, they stumble us laughing ...
    1. +3
      15 August 2014 10: 00
      Quote: calocha
      If we don’t change education, they stumble us

      ... formatted.
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      +1
      15 August 2014 10: 49
      If we do not achieve the "attractiveness" of Russia such that talents do not flee the country!

      One thing is required - QUIET AND STABILITY!
    3. 0
      15 August 2014 12: 59
      Quote: calocha
      If we don’t change education, they stammer us ....

      If we do not change, then there will be no one and no need to kick! Dumb what you say, it will do!
    4. 0
      16 August 2014 17: 25
      If we do not restore the education and upbringing of youth, then we will be destroyed. There will be no engineers capable of creating modern technology, scientists creating fundamentally new technical systems in all industries. Ultimately, there will be no such country - Russia. Education and upbringing of a worthy young generation on the example of the great Russian achievements is our most important task. We live for this in the first place.
  12. +14
    15 August 2014 08: 59
    In principle, it’s correct, but I don’t think it’s so catastrophic. I’m observing the young generation, I’m 53 years old. There’s stupidity and there are bright heads. As usual, it’s the percentage of dumb people, the percentage of very smart people and the percentage of average people. + - deviation in one direction or another. I recently got guys, they make a wheelbarrow in the garage - it's clear that they are young, the girls ride there themselves to show off, but we dragged the engines in the engines, so we didn’t know how to do it. And the computer is for them only for information, and they have a more interesting drum game - life! We can do a lot with our own hands. So not all young people are dumb, although the overall percentage may have decreased, but I think it’s not a disaster)
    1. +7
      15 August 2014 09: 32
      I agree!!! For a long time he grumbled at the "small" that all night sits in front of the computer, "plays toys". Then he found out that he was sitting at night because, together with friends from Japan, he was developing and selling these very developments. Well, besides games, there are some other programs. And then I could not understand why he did not ask me for money. Otherwise, the institute can't pay them a scholarship for half a year. Incl. it's not about computers and not about parents. Small grew up without a father, I am a stepfather and we live together for only 7 years. And he is 20.
  13. +4
    15 August 2014 09: 01
    Everything is correctly stated, unfortunately ... Why learn to count - there are calculators everywhere, why learn grammar - the programs have built-in editors in computers, they hardly know how to write with a pen - all texts are typed with keys. Recently I bought a sim card in a cell phone store, so a very young (obviously only after school) Mademoiselle-seller, after almost 20 minutes of puffing over the contract, managed to make two mistakes when writing my name. "Well, stupid ..." request
    1. +3
      15 August 2014 11: 57
      It’s good that at least it didn’t concern me. He himself was born in ninety-fourth, the family lived extremely poor, so no legos, computers and tablets. Therefore, he spent his leisure time differently. Digging out old books.
    2. +1
      15 August 2014 17: 39
      And unless something has changed in 250 years. Mitrofanushka: "Why teach geography, the cabbies themselves will take you."
  14. +3
    15 August 2014 09: 01
    CONFLICT OF GENERATIONS
    one of the permanent states of intergenerational relations, a constant conflict between the old and the new, tradition and modernity. At the same time, the dividing lines separating one side participating in this conflict from the other are drawn in accordance with the method by which each generation goes through the stages of growing up, that is, the stage of gaining legal capacity. Generational change is seen as the constant reproduction of cultural differences. The modern can save itself only at the constant risk of obsolescence. Tradition, on the contrary, implies continuous updating. (WITH)
  15. Dart_Veyder
    +3
    15 August 2014 09: 03
    It is not regrettable, but I agree with the author ..
    He studied in a simple school until grade 9, and
    then went to specialized
    (fizmat), the ancestors said that there
    the program is the same as in the USSR in
    simple school. At school I was almost an excellent pupil (Russian 4), and at the Lyceum
    how I passed the session for the first semester by the end of the second. Graduated from lyceum with
    with a certificate full of triples and one 5 (infa) USE passed 80-90, at the university
    met people graduated from school
    excellent and exams passed no worse than
    I have, but at the university they all studied
    dick and something beyond school
    the programs did not know anything. Tokawa moral: give your children back to
    specialized institutions, and the school perishes, the school does not teach, but
    concocts the corpse ... Most
    strong reform in recent years-
    This is a required school uniform.
    1. Tyumen
      +5
      15 August 2014 13: 46
      Quote: Dart_Veyder
      Tokawa Moral:

      Russian - 4 ?!
    2. 0
      15 August 2014 17: 42
      And where do you find so many respected specialized schools. This is special funding, the best teachers and "special kids".
    3. 0
      15 August 2014 17: 54
      And what, Russian was not taught in "physics and mathematics!" Or was it not a Russian school?
  16. +7
    15 August 2014 09: 04
    Probably the aliens threw us this generation ... nothing else, we have nothing to do with their upbringing or education !!! Yes, still, aliens have imposed on us the USE! And they print instructions for LEGO, and for withdrawal from them - they immediately take it to themselves!
    1. +6
      15 August 2014 09: 21
      Yes, no, not aliens, those who exchanged our moral principles for material benefits!
  17. +4
    15 August 2014 09: 05
    I have two sons, never used the instructions, even in lego. Always taught them to ask questions. And children often simply cannot ask the right question, and parents have no time. And this is not dullness, but the infantilism of parents. Each child is born an angel, and what grows out of it is a defect or merit of the parents. Children are the most successful investment of capital and soul. 100% return.
  18. +8
    15 August 2014 09: 05
    Why kick something? Everything is written correctly. Glaupenov, speaking the terms of M. Zadornov, is now complete. Well, what for a child of 10 years old needs some drochipod for 20000 ??? fool I understand, an entrepreneur, he needs to follow the news, communicate with clients, etc. - yes, but to the child ??? Or an oil painting: it goes ... let's just say, a fool with a masturbator along the transition, in her ears - "plugs", her eyes climbed up to her waist in the screen - and she doesn't care! Even the fact that red is already lit for pedestrians. But the worst thing is that the first lost generation has already given birth to the second one.
  19. +1
    15 August 2014 09: 10
    How can the brain be trained, if it considers a calculator for people, but a computer thinks? It is necessary to give the child more tasks for creativity, allowing you to move gray matter and experiment, and fewer computer games is a disease!
  20. +8
    15 August 2014 09: 13
    The exam must be destroyed !!!! All without a trace! That in the school curriculum of the Western spirit not a single molecule remains. Itself with sorrow I observe the creeping stupefaction of the nation. I am not a teacher by profession, but at 94 I was invited to school to work as a teacher of physics and astronomy. For four years I honestly dragged 150 students on myself according to the old Soviet programs, but with my own point-based grading system. Then, naturally, they gave me a ride at the certification for the fact that I put a lot of twos, spoiled the school reporting. I made the children work and made them think, but they told me, give them a C, it will be easier for you. I had to answer that this "C grade" would later become the "chief of life" over everyone.
  21. +1
    15 August 2014 09: 14
    That's right the dude said, the school should be taught to think, analyze, and be able to apply in life. And the facts and information she is easily accessible on the Internet. Yandex remembers everything much better!
  22. aspir_chem
    +2
    15 August 2014 09: 16
    I agree with the author 100%: life has been simplified and the brain just does not start once again, since there is nothing ...
    we can only hope for the education by the methods of the old school in a single family (and everyone should do so) !!!
    1. +3
      15 August 2014 14: 26
      The family is the basis of upbringing, but, having come to school, even from the most decent family, the child is forced to take part in the "mobile phone contest", or, stepping aside, still get micro-psychological trauma.
      You cannot live in society and be free from society.
      Under the existing satanic system of society, the consumption of decent families will be less and less every year, whether we want it or not. The process is on.
      What's next?
      Unified State Examination, a mass culture consisting of the products of menopause of grandmother Pugacheva, only a part of the system aimed at the destruction of Russia from the inside.
      Without a cardinal breakdown of this entire system of the Russian state (political, economic, social), in my opinion, waiting for any positive changes is pointless. All declared floodlights are only half measures.
  23. +1
    15 August 2014 09: 17
    There’s nothing to kick, everything is as it is. But square-nested brains alone are not bad. Not everyone needs to be scientists, someone needs to grow potatoes. In which case, life transforms the brain from almost any form to an adequate one.
    Offtop: In general, a container such as sauce is made by thermoforming from a film, because an extruder is darling expensive, and you can’t get a finished container from it - a maximum of film.
    could not resist, the technological past makes itself felt ...
  24. +2
    15 August 2014 09: 19
    the author is well done, most people do not know how to think in the literal sense of the word, but only know how to operate on what they know and take on faith. because they are so easy to deceive! than those who benefit from it and benefit from this in every way encouraging this situation. !
  25. +7
    15 August 2014 09: 21
    I agree with all the above 100%, but he himself needs to do something. I agree, school, computers, television, all this corrupts the fragile intellect. And you just try to talk with the child ... I’m 48 years old now, I just find time for the child and tell him about how we lived, played, and finally scoffed at the teachers sprinkling the floor with bertholite salt (which we also did), as we invented Ways to prevent parents from attending a parent's meeting, how they did it in one shift, so that the lights turned off one by one, why they needed a blotter ... How they themselves assembled toys and weapons from improvised materials, as they made gunshots and slingshots ... And I want to say not all so badly, the son began to invent from the LEGO sets (he also has a lot of them) something not according to the template and it was already in the habit and recently assembled (not only from the Lego but also having disassembled a couple of handles, springs and a clockwork mechanism from the old alarm clock lying around with my grandmother) a semi-automatic 1-charge revolver .... So. Do not write off everything to blame for modern life, as now children need communication and an example.
    Yes, as to where to get the time .. I also have little work for him: 3 children work 5 I come home at 8-9 pm I feed the younger ones, listen to the older ones, and then go to bed I go to bed at 2 in the morning I get up at 6 in the morning ....
    1. Tyumen
      +1
      15 August 2014 13: 49
      A revolver cannot be semi-automatic.
      1. +1
        15 August 2014 14: 39
        Well, why, if there is a drum rammer with cartridges - now you already have a semiautomatic device.
        1. 0
          16 August 2014 00: 26
          Quote: goose
          Well, why, if there is a drum rammer with cartridges - now you already have a semiautomatic device.

          This is not a semiautomatic device! A store reload.
          1. 0
            16 August 2014 11: 18
            store reloading is already an element of automation ...
            mechanics, however! ...
            and so in general - a dispute about anything, a question of terminology ...
  26. +3
    15 August 2014 09: 22
    I don’t remember who said that "... education is the axis ..." and what the axis will be, this will be the whole mechanism (in our case, this is the future of the country)! My relative has repeatedly been to the states with groups of her students and, according to her stories, our 5-6 graders (despite the education reforms) push not only peers, but older children with their thinking "behind the belt". Well, why "fence the fence" see in the same USA and did not have to touch our education-recognized as the best in the world!
  27. Lenar
    0
    15 August 2014 09: 22
    The Lego constructor does not develop children at all, the Americans invented. Here the iron constructor develops fine motor skills, understanding left / right (thread), abstract thinking.
    1. +3
      15 August 2014 11: 00
      Again, the Americans are to blame !!! Actually "Lego" was invented by a Danish and the company has always been Danish. And it was invented after the 1st World War in the absence of toys. And the fact that then everyone "got sick" with this game, so what does "Lego" have to do with it. And the fact that there are competitions (international), where you need to make something original out of a large heap of details and the one who does more interesting wins, someone remembers? You just need to remove the instruction from the set and that's it ... We've created a problem. And about education, we can say the same, who wants to learn and gain knowledge, he gets it. And who does not want to, he prepares for the exam.
  28. +3
    15 August 2014 09: 25
    Written correctly, but to the point? Those who are "busy" with the USE, education - will never agree to any changes. They don't need it, they don't get paid for it. And they pay just for the opposite. It is extremely beneficial to fool children, because in 20 years they will become adult brakes. Sho is required.
    1. Victor R
      +1
      15 August 2014 13: 10
      Yes, but you can correctly set the task. And now is the time!
  29. +3
    15 August 2014 09: 26
    Thanks to the author, I once again made me think about the methods of education. And the exam is a sabotage for Russia.
  30. +2
    15 August 2014 09: 26
    ____________________
  31. +8
    15 August 2014 09: 26
    If we do not change the system of teaching children, do not leave the USE, then the American Psaka will stop making us laugh!
  32. +1
    15 August 2014 09: 27
    The author of the article is right, modern youth does not have any imagination, any deviation from the instructions puts them into a stupor ... Not all of course, but very many. Moreover, the tendency to stupor is growing, students come to us to practice, I know not by hearsay.
    Constructors ... First you need to do what is in the instructions, and then upgrade, come up with something of your own, create truly child prowl from two or three sets!
    1. +1
      15 August 2014 11: 07
      And not everyone can be a designer. In the USSR, with all its very high level of education, they tried to make designers and engineers out of everyone. So, not every pianist becomes a Hillels. So higher education is needed for those who need it and who can and want to use it. I had a friend who worked in an exchange at an American university. So he said that there students come to lectures already familiar with the topic and simply ask questions about what they did not understand.
      1. -1
        16 August 2014 00: 31
        Quote: Sanglier
        And not everyone can be a designer. In the USSR, with all its very high level of education, they tried to make designers and engineers out of everyone. So, not every pianist becomes a Hillels. So higher education is needed for those who need it and who can and want to use it. I had a friend who worked in an exchange at an American university. So he said that there students come to lectures already familiar with the topic and simply ask questions about what they did not understand.

        Our engineer in the regiment said: higher education does not add intelligence!
        1. 0
          16 August 2014 11: 22
          asshole. your engineer regiment! adds! - education ... special !!! ...
          when did he say that, did he put on a sword belt?
  33. +4
    15 August 2014 09: 28
    To the horror and unfortunately, the author is right!
  34. +2
    15 August 2014 09: 28
    I agree with 2 children
  35. +4
    15 August 2014 09: 29
    The author liked the article for all 100 articles ... Today's education turns children into stupid robots who think strictly according to the algorithm (not all of course)! But I think not everything is so bad in Russia always thought and acted outside the box (Russian ingenuity) this is in our genes .! And no matter how the West tries to fine-tune us for themselves, they never succeed and will not succeed (which is happening now) And men need to be engaged in children and not to pay off from them! (my son has a lot of different toys), but when I made him a plane from a paper sheet (and taught him) in kindergarten it was a splash ..))))) laughing
  36. +2
    15 August 2014 09: 39
    The author is not to be "kicked" for anything, that's right, in childhood we played almost the same games as generations before us, grandfathers and fathers told about their toys. Among my peers, the coolest was the one who understood technology, we could make toys ourselves, there were all injuries, tears, but this is how we learned to handle tools, everything worked, both the head and hands, climbed for apples in the neighboring gardens, now there is nothing like it - a computer, social networks, the Internet, drunkenness and an increase in crime with inexplicable cruelty, with the publication of videos about it. Education is now also tied to the computer - objective thinking has disappeared
  37. Buchin-al
    +4
    15 August 2014 09: 40
    It seems to me that a program for population degradation is working in the country, and if this is not prevented, the consequences will be very deplorable
  38. Hyperboreec
    +1
    15 August 2014 09: 41
    The ability to think and think is priceless.
  39. +7
    15 August 2014 09: 50
    Youth began to speak more ... freedom of speech zhezh wink
  40. +7
    15 August 2014 09: 52
    The American people of the 90s made Russia's education to create clones ready to eat ... reality shows, games and fast food - easier to manage.
    My children received non-standard thinking only due to the fact that in our family the children were brought up on books and the respect of the older generation. In addition to school, I showed the children how problems from new textbooks were solved in our ... Soviet way, and my wife persistently re-taught Russian with them. And I didn’t go to school to complain when my daughter cried for the decrease in the mark for a mistake in the dictation - in the word "Bordeaux" the teacher corrected the first "O" to "A", and took out a Dictionary of Foreign Words and showed this word to her daughter. fool
    1. +2
      15 August 2014 17: 07
      Quote: Pule
      In addition to school, I showed the children how to solve problems from the new textbooks in our ... Soviet style, and my wife persistently re-taught Russian with them.

      But I found and partly saved, partly downloaded the good old Soviet textbooks for my nephews ... hi
      1. +1
        16 August 2014 11: 31
        4-volume: American physics school textbook!
        words - except for abusive - no! this is not a textbook, but ... knows what, good for entertaining reading ... but was "highly appreciated by the leading teachers" ... where are they - us - you - are they leading? ...
  41. +1
    15 August 2014 09: 53
    In childhood there was a lego. From dominoes, it’s tanks, then airplanes, then boats. By the way, only the entrance exam proved the same principle, but it didn’t prove it quite. wink
  42. +3
    15 August 2014 10: 02
    From my own practice.
    I am starting my studies at the technical university course. I have traditionally given a very difficult task: "Find the area of ​​a square along a known side." A timid hand reaches out: "TWO A." The other 20 studiosus do not react in any way.
    Why 2a? He looked into his smartphone, found the answer a2, and creatively re-tweeted it! I repeat, none of the group corrected him.
    Can you imagine my feelings when, solving the same problem, the group, divided in two, begins to argue: the area of ​​a square is "a square plus b square" or "a plus b squared"!
    1. 0
      16 August 2014 00: 38
      Quote: Avas2006
      From my own practice.
      I am starting my studies at the technical university course. I have traditionally given a very difficult task: "Find the area of ​​a square along a known side." A timid hand reaches out: "TWO A." The other 20 studiosus do not react in any way.
      Why 2a? He looked into his smartphone, found the answer a2, and creatively re-tweeted it! I repeat, none of the group corrected him.
      Can you imagine my feelings when, solving the same problem, the group, divided in two, begins to argue: the area of ​​a square is "a square plus b square" or "a plus b squared"!

      I do not understand this is a joke? Or did the square have different sides?
      1. 0
        16 August 2014 22: 56
        Quote: non-primary
        Quote: Avas2006
        From my own practice.
        I am starting my studies at the technical university course. I have traditionally given a very difficult task: "Find the area of ​​a square along a known side." A timid hand reaches out: "TWO A." The other 20 studiosus do not react in any way.
        Why 2a? He looked into his smartphone, found the answer a2, and creatively re-tweeted it! I repeat, none of the group corrected him.
        Can you imagine my feelings when, solving the same problem, the group, divided in two, begins to argue: the area of ​​a square is "a square plus b square" or "a plus b squared"!

        I do not understand this is a joke? Or did the square have different sides?

        And minus, as I understand it, who in the square really has different sides!
    2. 0
      16 August 2014 11: 34
      two plus two times two - how much? eight ... on a smartphone ... he's smarter than me ...
      1. 0
        16 August 2014 17: 59
        2 + 2 * 2. Half of the students of an engineering university will not solve this example correctly. This is the level of today's students. The main diploma and all. This motivation is both students and their parents in most cases. Studying at a university should be no more than 20 percent of graduates. So it would be with normal training, normal grades. So it was in the USSR until the 70s of the last century.
  43. 0
    15 August 2014 10: 03
    Quote: Darth Revan
    But the worst thing is that the first generation lost has already given birth to the second one.

    there was such an experiment. were selected from the available most active and prolific rats and crossed. selected from the litter of the weakest and crossed several times. and at some point they gave offspring better than the source material.
    1. +1
      15 August 2014 12: 38
      did the "British scientists" tell you this? Rave.

      It is very easy to spoil the breed, it is very difficult to restore it later. Take an interest in dog lovers.

      More and more convinced that eugenics is quite the right thing for itself ...
  44. +10
    15 August 2014 10: 07
    The point is not in the exam. What is an exam? This is a test of knowledge. The knowledge that you received, and if you were taught to remember, not think and reflect, then we get THIS (what we have) at the output
    My daughter is 13 years old. I have been taking lessons only myself since the first grade. (At my school in algebra, geometry, physics it was - 5.) And then I noticed an interesting moment. My daughter is easy to solve examples. Solve a problem - if there are more than 2 actions - a problem. I help to solve any problem - she solves all the others (similar) easily. As soon as the problem is slightly different from the previously solved, she has a stupor. And immediately yells: "I don't know." I say - Think. - Useless. I don't know, that's all.
    And here is the conclusion (the phrase is not mine, this was said by Dmitry Lukyanenko, a teacher at the Physics and Mathematics Department of Moscow State University)
    In the West, they are taught to solve specific problems, in the USSR, by the example of solving specific problems, they were taught to solve any problems.
    And this is not just a boast - like in the USSR everything was better (the grass is greener, the sky is bluer) but a fact. Here is the evidence:
    Soviet standards of education introduced in the West
    While the Russian Ministry of Education is trying to invent the “wheel” by introducing foreign teaching methods like the Unified State Examination in schools and the point-rating system in universities into the traditional Russian system, in the West they are very enthusiastic about using the Soviet teaching experience that was successfully implemented in the USSR in times of the "arms race".

    According to The Sunday Times, British Minister of Education Michael Gove suggested creating schools in the country with in-depth study of mathematics, modeled on Soviet special schools in the early 1960s. According to the politician, the system of Soviet education of this period can help significantly increase the level of knowledge of mathematics in modern state educational institutions in England.

    "The schools that appeared in the USSR during the era of the" arms race "- in the 1960s of the last century, are taken as a basis to educate the mathematical and scientific elite, which was supposed to stimulate the development of the country," The Sunday Times quoted the minister as saying.
    in Israel in 1992, at the initiative of the MAPAT Pedagogical Center and with the support of many public figures, the first Shevakh-Mofet physics and mathematics school was opened. It became a direct analogue of Soviet physics and mathematics schools, and were taught in it by immigrants from the former USSR. Over time, this educational institution was recognized around the world and won the glory of the "factory of geniuses."
    (article by Victor Berezin)

    Full text http://rusplt.ru/articles/social/social_1713.html
    1. +7
      15 August 2014 13: 32
      Plyusan-Soviet school taught to think outside the box!
      1. Tyumen
        +1
        15 August 2014 13: 54
        University education system, in contrast to the Western mosaic.
    2. kompotnenado
      0
      15 August 2014 14: 11
      Moscow State University has never had a physics and mathematics faculty.
  45. +4
    15 August 2014 10: 17
    Unfortunately, the author is right. The educational level of most young people is low. Knowledge of the Russian language, literature, history is not amenable to criticism. I do not argue, there are bright heads, clever women, but such are a minority. The worst thing is that the family pays more attention to ensuring that the child is well dressed, fed, has modern gadgets, etc. And upbringing and education - then. I repeat that not all families have this. What we call education is not such. This is an education. They go to universities in order to have at least some kind of diploma (we will not count techies and doctors). As a result, we get what we get. And the exam is the greatest evil that could be done to destroy education. And the school of Soviet education was the best in the world.
  46. +2
    15 August 2014 10: 22
    Everything is correct with the author. For such was the goal-to educate a competent consumer. That is exactly what the former minbrr said about the tasks of modern education. Fursenko. I’ll kill you for approx.
  47. Ghjynjyjoiiyr
    0
    15 August 2014 10: 23
    The boy is not creative - but a pedant! And this is also good - the right child, if he instills the concepts of bad and good, he will never stumble !!!
  48. +2
    15 August 2014 10: 25
    Teach your children to THINK, THINK, and not to use, otherwise this planet will turn into something stupid for good.

    In my youth, there were also such, but they were called a little "pen, gas, pay".
  49. +3
    15 August 2014 10: 37
    The article is very interesting ... I don't even know where to start the commentary ... Everything is so, of course, as a child we played outdoor games and were fond of making all kinds of home-grown toys, if we could not buy a factory one ... I still remember those cut from trees of a flotilla of ships, assembled from Baltic designers machines, to which bulbs and electric motors from the Orbita store were fitted ... Or airplanes and tanks carved from wood, the tower of which rotated on a carnation ... And the airplanes with the help of a loop flew on a thread stretched diagonally across the room (from the upper corner to the lower one) and bombed these tanks with pieces of eraser laid on the wings (for the bombing you just had to disturb the thread) ... Everything is so of course ... I graduated from school, college, worked, I had to use pencils go to a computer, and here I have a problem - I don't like working in 3D, but young people cope with this quickly, you see, when the need forces you, you will also have to perform these sets of routine operations ...
    1. +1
      15 August 2014 11: 31
      Quote: Altona
      ... I graduated from school, institute, worked, I had to switch from pencils to a computer, and here I have a problem, I don’t like working at 3D, and young people do it quickly, see when the need compels, they will also have to perform these sets of routine operations ...

      Good day!
      Believe me, life will make it work normally. After leaving the aircraft, I also had to face this .... nothing, now in the order of things ... good
      1. 0
        15 August 2014 11: 57
        Quote: podpolkovnik
        . After leaving the aircraft, I also had to face this .... nothing, now in the order of things ...

        ----------------------
        I regularly put SolidWorks or Catia on the computer and I don’t want to master everything ... Although I probably should ... It seems they taught me to work with Tiflex ... Especially since I need to look for work, my office, where we did the semi-trailers, actually doesn’t work .. .
        1. +2
          15 August 2014 13: 35
          Try Cimatron, a very friendly program.
          1. 0
            15 August 2014 14: 18
            Quote: Egor65G
            Try Cimatron, a very friendly program.

            I fully agree with the previous speaker!
            1. 0
              15 August 2014 15: 51
              Thanks for the advice, but I’m looking at the interface in English ...
              1. 0
                15 August 2014 17: 38
                Nonsense, a few dozen English terms.
    2. +2
      15 August 2014 20: 23
      Quote: Altona
      , I had to go from pencils to the computer, and here I have a problem - I don’t like working in 3D, and young people deal with it quickly,

      I don’t know what it is called scientifically, but the spatial-spatial imagination just works well for you. You can imagine some kind of volumetric body and its position in space and depict it on paper. I myself, although a humanist by education, using the skills gained in drawing lessons at the Soviet school, I can also depict, of course, not like a professional draftsman, but it’s quite understandable. If you need something, say for home, I can sketch out what I imagine and the experts understand what I want to get .A to the subject of computer , the thing is good, of course, but it’s relaxing and weaning to think. I’m a pensioner of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and at one time had to write a lot of different decisions so you think first, take a pen, a piece of paper, then type on a typewriter. Now they’ll take the text that’s appropriate on the computer, change the dates, and so on and so on, and you're done. And then we wonder why things are pouring in and sending out for further investigation. The Soviet school is a SCHOOL !!!
    3. 0
      16 August 2014 11: 42
      ... at 53, I mastered 3D graphics (seven years ago) ... and programming ...
      Now the youth is her - him - their - to us ... I am teaching ... it turns out!
      1. Titanium
        0
        16 August 2014 20: 26
        Teach me 3D modeling, I want to master 3D MAX, it’s great to work there ...
  50. +2
    15 August 2014 10: 40
    the child does not think himself, he copies the behavior from the parents and the environment. so that it is not necessary to drive on children! children are a copy of the parents. the parent does not want to engage in the development of the child's consciousness - Lego, a computer, the Unified State Exam from a child will make an "ideal member of society." and those parents who are interested in that their child went further and reached higher levels in society will devote time, transfer experience, interest ...
    1. Taisa
      0
      17 August 2014 17: 06
      I agree that if you treated children (as a continuation of a kind and thought of them as a part of yourself that remains after you would find time and knowledge), but most of all they give birth by inertia, so that someone would have a glass in their old age to give water - that’s how slaves turn out.
  51. +3
    15 August 2014 10: 45
    Есть проблема это факт. У меня две дочери, так обычный вопрос от них "Скучно. Чем мне заняться?" Это при том, что полная комната игрушек. Да мы в детстве таких вопросов не задавал, игрушек таких у нас тоже не было. Была фантазия, нет не так , вот так ФАНТАЗИЯ!!! Да именно так, большими. Решение проблемы для дочерей это либо компьютер, либо телевизор. Все это я дозирую и фильтрую, в отличии от бабушки.
  52. +4
    15 August 2014 10: 54
    Когда то очень давно часто слышал от взрослых такие слова: "Ну вы молодёжь и тупая... Да вы вообще не шарите ничего, мы в ваши годы....", далее шло перечисление того чего они в наши годы могли...
    Однажды когда мне было уже за тридцать как то мне пришла в голову мысль "Ну и тупая же нынче молодежь, ваще ни черта не рубит, недалекая и тупая как валенок, вот я в их годы..." Мне сначала стало смешно, а потом пришло сознание того, что я прошёл некий рубеж отделяющий меня от нового поколения. Вот так вот... Поэтому когда слышу что-то подобное говорю "а что про вас говорили, когда вы были в таком возрасте?"
    1. 0
      16 August 2014 01: 01
      Quote: Nayhas
      Когда то очень давно часто слышал от взрослых такие слова: "Ну вы молодёжь и тупая... Да вы вообще не шарите ничего, мы в ваши годы....", далее шло перечисление того чего они в наши годы могли...
      Однажды когда мне было уже за тридцать как то мне пришла в голову мысль "Ну и тупая же нынче молодежь, ваще ни черта не рубит, недалекая и тупая как валенок, вот я в их годы..." Мне сначала стало смешно, а потом пришло сознание того, что я прошёл некий рубеж отделяющий меня от нового поколения. Вот так вот... Поэтому когда слышу что-то подобное говорю "а что про вас говорили, когда вы были в таком возрасте?"

      Поставил плюс. Согласен, что каждое последующее поколение совершенней предыдущего! Но всякие айфоны не заменят болты и гайки!
      1. 0
        16 August 2014 11: 47
        руки + голова!!!вот их ничто не заменит!
        вселенную можно собрать из хлама - руками с приложением мозгов...кто-то сказал из умных...и рукастых...
  53. Ev58
    0
    15 August 2014 10: 56
    Всё, как в песне "...Я его слепила из того, что было..." Государство "слепило", сформировало пласт социума, который впитал преобладающие в обществе ценности, удивляясь в дальнейшем плодам собственного творения. А техническое развитие никогда не стояло на месте, накладывая свой отпечаток на всю общественную жизнь - от отдельного индивидуума до всего человечества.
  54. +1
    15 August 2014 11: 06
    Square-breeding generation. Grown that grew


    ... с мозгами молочно-восковой спелости.

    1. +1
      15 August 2014 14: 19
      Quote: crambol
      Square-breeding generation. Grown that grew


      ... с мозгами молочно-восковой спелости.

      Подмечено верно.
  55. 0
    15 August 2014 11: 10
    Да это все потому, что современному обществу нужно 90% обывателей-потребителей, которым вредно лишний раз думать - вдруг задумаются о том, почему народные богатства распределяются остальными 10-ю процентами. В этом вся проблема. В СССР было не так. А сейчас, что в России, что на Западе эта тенденция пролслеживается во всем.
    1. 0
      16 August 2014 11: 49
      это шаги к созданию мира "глобализма", руководимого "золотым миллиардом"...или миллиардером?...но-одним...
  56. +5
    15 August 2014 11: 12
    Quote:
    "Так вот. К чему я это всё. Смотрю я на современную молодежь и тихо предполагаю, что же будет дальше. Общаюсь со современными "специалистами", медалистами, краснодипломниками: если всё по правилам, по норме — то всё отлично, но как отход от стандартной ситуации — всё, тупик, катастрофа."

    В свете этой статьи хочу предложить всем, кого заинтересовала эта тема следующие материалы. Ничего не комментирую - просто почитайте. Пришлось поделить на части.

    Поколение «Жесть»
    Одному моему знакомому, начальнику отдела на бюджетном предприятии, руководство поставило в начале года сложную задачу: набрать молодые кадры. Дело в том, что кадры у них действительно устарели – большинству далеко за семьдесят. Мой знакомый – один из самых молодых, ему недавно стукнуло всего лишь 65.
    Сложность поставленной задачи упиралась, прежде всего, в зарплату – заслуженные 80-летние физики и переводчики работают на предприятии за 12 – 15 тыс. в месяц. "Молодые кадры на такую зарплату не пойдут", – доказывал мой знакомый руководству. "Хорошо, дадим 25 тысяч", – пообещал директор.
    И вот знакомый взялся за работу. Очень скоро выяснилось, что найти в Москве молодых физиков и переводчиков, готовых работать за 25 тыс. в месяц, нереально. Пришлось поднять начальную планку до 40 тысяч. Заслуженные ветераны начали ворчать: "Почему молодым платят в три раза больше?"
    Очень скоро выяснилось, что платить молодым кадрам, в общем-то, и не за что. Набранные переводчики переводили неправильно, программисты не могли напрограммировать ничего толкового, а физики предпочли вообще ничего не делать и весь день просто спали на работе. Один молодой инженер-физик потом признался, что по ночам развозит жриц любви по клиентам на своей машине: "Жить-то на что-то надо! Не на ваши же жалкие 40 тысяч!"
    Другие тоже чем-то подрабатывали. Но не все. Один курьер через неделю увольнялся, потом, спустя месяц, снова восстанавливался. На вопрос, что он делал этот месяц, отвечал простодушно: "Дома сидел. Работать неохота".
    И история этого одного предприятия – не исключение из правил. Сейчас, спустя два десятилетия после развала СССР, на рынок труда вышли новые кадры.
    Рожденных в конце 80-х – начале 90-х годах психологи окрестили "поколение Z" ("поколение жесть"). По оценкам специалистов, поколение это инфантильно, лениво, не готово и не способно трудиться. Прирожденные тунеядцы.
  57. +2
    15 August 2014 11: 14
    Изучением "жести" занимается немало психологов, а одним из первых это понятие ввел Марк Сандомирский. По словам Сандомирского, на психику этого поколения сильно повлияли стрессы (здесь и развал Советского Союза, и отсутствие идеологии, и мутные перспективы). Причем отрицательное воздействие глобальных потрясений нынешние 20-летние испытали еще в утробе матери – доказано, что стрессы во время беременности влияют на психику ребенка самым пагубным образом.
    Одно из последствий всех этих политических и экономических глобальных потрясений – хронический инфантилизм. "Нынешние 20-летние так и не смогли повзрослеть – они даже в зрелом возрасте сохранили детские черты и ведут себя по-детски, не осознавая этого", – считает Марк Сандомирский. Соответственно, работники из нынешней молодежи, в основном, скверные – безответственные, неисполнительные "и при этом, как дети, постоянно ждущие от окружающих и от руководителя безусловной положительной оценки всего, что они делают. У 20-летних сегодня отмечается детский эгоцентризм и потребительское отношение к жизни. И это заметно по статистике любой службы занятости – молодежь требует зарплату не ниже 40 тысяч, имея при этом никудышнее образование и отсутствие какого-либо опыта работы", – констатирует психолог.
    В этом же кроется и причина того, что престиж рабочих профессий упал сегодня до нуля. "Поколение жесть" особенно не любит все, связанное с физическим трудом.
    "Если относиться к жизни и к работе инфантильно, как к игре, то напрягаться ни в коем случае нельзя! – объясняет Сандомирский. – Ведь в игре все делается понарошку, имитируется занятость и бурная деятельность. И желающих "пахать", "вкалывать", напрягаться всерьез становится все меньше и меньше. Молодежь ищет виртуальную работу, но даже на реальной работе умудряется показывать виртуальный результат".
    А что же дальше? Возможно, следующее поколение, рожденное при Путине, будет вкалывать за троих? Как бы не так, считают психологи. "Следующие подрастающие поколения будут брать пример с нынешних. Это то же самое, что дедовщина в армии – она передается по инерции. А началось все с того, что в 60-х годах начали брать в армию с криминальным прошлым, и эти криминальные элементы быстренько ввели дедовщину. Теперь, что ни делай, дедовщину не победить. Когда явление прижилось, с ним очень сложно бороться".
  58. 0
    15 August 2014 11: 21
    http://www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic887057.html
    оригинал. обращаем внимание на благородство автора и лексику(рсп - разведенка с прицепом).
    собственно, каменты доставляют
    1. 0
      15 August 2014 14: 24
      Quote: ilyich
      http://www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic887057.html
      оригинал. обращаем внимание на благородство автора и лексику(рсп - разведенка с прицепом).
      собственно, каменты доставляют

      Да я и не скрывал, что
      что статья .... найдена на просторах всемирной сети. Стиль и орфография изменены мной в целях удаления ненормативной лексики.

      Статья интересная, лексику просто подкорректировал.а подписывать своим именем чужие сочинения претит совесть.
  59. +2
    15 August 2014 11: 27
    ВСЕ ОНИ МАРИОНЕТКИ...
    Понятие «поколение Z» ввел психолог Марк Сандомирский. Всего каких-то десять лет назад «детей перестройки» называли «поколением пепси».
    «Поколение пепси», в отличие от предыдущих поколений, отличалось легкомысленностью и ленью. Маркетологи заметили, что это поколение легко внушаемо, мгновенно склевывает любую рекламную наживку и ведется на любую пропаганду. Кстати, лучшими с начала XX века по качеству человеческого материала считаются военное и послевоенное поколения (рожденные в 1920-1955 гг.). Дальше пошла деградация. Хотя эксперты к единому мнению в оценках нынешнего молодого поколения пока не пришли. Кто-то продолжает считать, что «поколение пепси» все-таки было, и относит к нему рожденных в конце 80-х - 90-х годах прошлого века. А в 2000-х, дескать, появилось поколение «жесть». Другие психологи полагают, что поколение «жесть» берет свое начало от развала Советского Союза.

    По словам Марка Сандомирского, основные черты поколения «жесть» таковы: дефицит сочувствия (неспособность чувствовать чужую боль) и повышенная агрессивность, а также неумение давать агрессии безопасную разрядку.

    «В результате немотивированная агрессия и жестокость подростков приводят к диким и бессмысленным насильственным преступлениям. Оставлять преступные деяния «несмышленых» безнаказанными - значит, попустительствовать, поощрять их к повторению пройденного», - считает Марк Сандомирский.

    Интересы, цели и стремления нового поколения вызывают тревогу у многих социологов и психологов. Они полагают, что нынешние дети вырастут злыми, жестокими, инфантильными, примитивными потребителями, которыми очень легко манипулировать.

    «Слово «жесть» на молодежном жаргоне означает замечательно или круто, - говорит Марк Сандомирский. - Но на самом деле оно является производным от слова «жестокость». Для этого поколения жестокость является не просто нормой поведения, но даже достоинством».

    Бомба под нашим государством уже тикает. Те, кто родился в перестройку и в начале 90-х, сейчас вступают во взрослую жизнь...

    «Они сохранили в себе детские черты и ведут себя по-детски, не осознавая этого», - констатирует Марк Сандомирский. Соответственно, работники они в большинстве своем никудышные - безответственные, неисполнительные. И при этом как дети, постоянно ждущие от окружающих и от руководителя безусловной положительной оценки всего, что они делают. У 20-летних сегодня отмечаются детский эгоцентризм и потребительское отношение к жизни. И это заметно по статистике любой службы занятости - молодежь рассматривает предложения с зарплатой не ниже 40 тыс. рублей, не имея при этом ни профессионального образования, ни опыта работы.

    Ценность рабочих профессий упала до минимума. Поколение «жесть» вообще не любит профессии, связанные с физическим трудом.

    «Если относиться к жизни и работе инфантильно, по-детски, как к игре, то напрягаться ни в коем случае нельзя! - объясняет Марк Сандомирский. - Ведь в игре все делается понарошку, имитируются занятость и бурная деятельность. И желающих пахать, вкалывать, напрягаться становится все меньше и меньше. Даешь виртуальную работу с виртуальным результатом!»
  60. +5
    15 August 2014 11: 32
    Hello everyone.
    Я воспитываю детей, 18 лет без остановки....
    Вот слова Иоанна Златоуста: "Родить детей есть дело природы, но образовать и воспитать их в добродетели — дело ума и воли".
    Учите детей, воспитывайте их - Вы увидите поразительные всходы. Увидите колосья которые дадут семя, а ведь в пшеничном колосе не менее 45 зерен. Да придется поливать, да убирать сорняк, да удобрять, но надо - больше некому, если мы (такие сильные и образованные, иногда да же умные) не сделаем этого, то кто сделает за нас?!
    Есть притча: давным давно, великий король повелел привести к нему лучшего кузнеца, дабы он создал оружие способное завоевать весь мир. Приказ был исполнен, кузнеца привели к великому королю.
    Король - ты Мастер, создай мне оружие с которым я смогу завоевать мир.
    Кузнец - мне нужен год, великий король.
    Через год кузнец, Мастер, принес меч который мог перерубить любые доспехи...
    Король - да, это хорошее оружие, но это не то что мне нужно.
    Кузнец - добро, великий король, мне нужно 3 года.
    Через три года кузнец принес заказ, секиру которая могла рубить даже камни.
    Король - да, это великолепное оружие, но это не то что мне нужно.
    Кузнец - добро, великий король, но мне потребуется пять лет.
    Через пять лет коваль пришел к великому королю и привел с собой десять учеников...
    Король - да, Мастер, это действительно то Оружие с которым смогу завоевать весь мир.
    1. kompotnenado
      0
      15 August 2014 14: 19
      Абсолютно согласен. Надо заниматься детьми, воспитывать их. А не сетовать какие они тупые и нелюбопытные.
  61. Czar
    0
    15 August 2014 11: 32
    Это не 90+, а скорее 2000+.
  62. Er55
    -1
    15 August 2014 11: 40
    I would like to think that our government protects us and gives us freedom of personal space, but alas, here http://yourssname.blogspot.com I was convinced of the opposite, here you can find data on any person in Russia. I decided to find myself and in just a few seconds I got a page on which there was an exhaustive profile about me. It’s good that you can hide the profile, as everyone can see it.
  63. -2
    15 August 2014 11: 41
    Самое интересное, что я не умею запрягать лошадь. Но, вроде, не тупой.
    Я умею извлекать квадратные корни из любого числа на листке бумаги с помощью чего-нибудь,что может писать. Это совсем не значит, что тупые те, кто этого не умеет делать.
    В этих моих мыслях - отношение к статье.
    1. 0
      15 August 2014 18: 58
      Minus one.
      Кому я на хвост наступил?
      Волей - не волей начинаешь жалеть, что не можешь посмотреть, кто это делает. Не для того, чтобы мстить, а просто внести в чёрный список и не общаться с откровенно недалёкими людьми.
      1. 0
        16 August 2014 12: 01
        это ж классно, что кто-то думает не так, как ты! а ты докажи, аргументируй, для того и комменты...есть ещё "подписаться на комментарии" - флажок поставь (галочку)...
        у меня этих минусов - девать некуда, и я этому рад!...
      2. 0
        17 August 2014 01: 50
        Если можеш вычислять корни, то попробуй перевести запряженние лошади в формулу.Посмотрел со стороны, посчитал действия, разложил по формуле, повторил уже при запряжении лошади.
  64. +1
    15 August 2014 11: 46
    Если мы вспомним как пришивать пуговицы, клеить обои, забивать гвозди, мелкий ремонт мебели, обуви и бытовой техники, то безработица захлестнет страну. laughing
    Сейчас, что бы заменить элемент питания в наручных часах, требуется идти в мастерскую. И даже если удастся снять крышку, то назад её уже без специального для этих часов станка уже не поставишь. Их даже в мастерских нет из-за дороговизны. Обтачивают кромку на наждаке. Но это только в России додумались до такого. Так, что не все потеряно! laughing
    1. +1
      15 August 2014 14: 30
      Quote: siberalt
      Если мы вспомним как пришивать пуговицы, клеить обои, забивать гвозди, мелкий ремонт мебели, обуви и бытовой техники, то безработица захлестнет страну.

      Если мы это будем знать и уметь, если это будут уметь наши дети и внуки, то ничего страшного не произойдет, и безработицы - не будет.
      Я, например, уже сталкивался с такими, с позволения сказать, особями мужского пола, которые перегоревшую лампочку в настольной (!) лампе заменить самостоятельно не могут, ждут мастера.
      А умение
      пришивать пуговицы, клеить обои, забивать гвозди, мелкий ремонт мебели, обуви и бытовой техники
      в жизни еще никому и никогда не помешало.
      Думаю, что с этим многие согласятся.
      1. 0
        16 August 2014 12: 05
        ...ширинку расстегнуть-застегнуть...мастера вызовем!...там же техническое устройство повышенной сложности - зиппер!
    2. 0
      16 August 2014 12: 03
      ага, я так делал...
  65. +4
    15 August 2014 11: 51
    Мы в 14 лет спокойно меняли поршневую на мопедах,для экономии бодяжили двухтактную смесь отработкой ,которую тырили в рем.зонах автоколон.Ни кто нас этому не учил но умели все поголовно.Мы были все технически грамотные,приладить чужое крыло к своему велосипеду,или поставить сеть на реке,не было проблем.Смотрю на сына ,разница чудовищная.
    1. 0
      16 August 2014 12: 07
      ага, и поршня и кольца потом от этой смеси горели...там же ж мелкодисперсный углерод! абразив...
  66. +1
    15 August 2014 12: 00
    Вопросы извечные - как воспитывать, чему и как учить?... Ответы тоже извечные - а кто его знает?... Каким должен стать ребёнок известно всем. Но что делать, чтобы достигнуть этой цели мало кто знает. А ларчик просто открывается - люби ребёнка, учи своим примером, будь с ним рядом во всех ситуациях. Проще всего сослаться на кучи своих проблем и пустить всё на самотёк. Перевалить воспитание на школу, на улицу... А потом имеем, что имеем... Компьютер заменил живую жизнь, даже общение посредством СМС и Скайпа...
  67. +2
    15 August 2014 12: 01
    That is why young people shawl everything that they are encouraged to. Reflexes work, no analysis. Easily suggestible mass, believing that Russia and the USSR have always been in za zdnitsa. And the government does not care. Because as a generation of stupid consumers, the engine was sold and sold all crap. The main thing is to tell such a generation that he needs it.

    Quote: Salkrast
    ребенок сам не думает, он копирует поведение с родителей и окружения. так, что гнать на детей не надо! дети это копия родителей.

    Ну-ну. Кто больше проводит времени с детьми? Телевизор с компом и одноклассниками или родители? Если ребенок по телевизору каждые 15 минут слышит, что ему нужен новый смартфон, если об этом говорят друзья и вертят этот смартфон каждый день перед его носом, если на каждом сайте (даже здесь) иконки со смартфоном и призывные подписи, сможете вы перевесить в одиночку этот прессинг?
    1. +1
      15 August 2014 12: 33
      встречный вопрос- с кем больше проводят время родители?
      не нужно путать причинно-следственные связи. если родители не хотят и(или) не могут уделять время детям, то их воспитанием занимается окружающее общество. не нравится как воспитывает общество - занимайся воспитанием сам.
  68. +2
    15 August 2014 12: 13
    Случай в Египтах - играем в дартс, с нами девочка-аниматор из Англии. Тщетно пытается сложить три двузначных числа. Пыталась в столбик - не получается. Пыталась на пальцах - не получается (пальцев не хватает))). В итоге у кого то нашелся смартфон с калькулятором и проблема была решена. Реакция окружающих - ржака у русских немцев и офигение у наших детей. Это к слову о гейропейском образовании, так восхваляемым нашими либерастами.
  69. +1
    15 August 2014 12: 25
    Недавно на ютюбе наткнулся на интересную серию роликов от ТЕД. Снимают янки, но тему они говорят точную.


    А теперь мое личное мнение - многие учителя загоняют себя в рамки. На лево нельзя там стенка, направо обрыв. Все только по этой тропинке - шаг влево, вправо это поытка к нарушению режима. И хлобысь чем нить тяжелым по отошедшему...
    Никто из них не задумывается что влево пойти - так может он на гору залезет, а на право пойдет то полетит (и ведб не факт что вниз). Нас подсознательно готовят к одной тропе. И мы сразу думаем что альтарнативы нет. Живой пример Евклидова геометрия. Пришел Лобачевский и создал теорию которую многие до сих пор не признают. Молекулярная Теория света. Но свет может быть волной. Или теории Эдисона и теории Теслы(последние считаются ересью). Далеко ходить не надо - вон вчерашняя статья про экранопланы - и сразу многие говорят что это безнадежно и невозможно.

    За пять лет учебы мне встретился только два человека в универе кто действительно осозновали необходимость творчества и то что к решению задачи нету единственного подхода. Один физик, болгарин, второй программист, индус. И все. Больше ничего. Остальные даже не допускали малейшего отклонения от программы.

    Мы живем в новых Совремнных Темных веках. Когда то Церковь говорила - это ересь, это неугодно богу. Сейчас говорят Ученные советы - это ересь, это противно всей науке. Звучит схоже, неправда ли? Но Самолет тяжелее воздуха но летает. Космические корабли выходят в космос. Подводны лодки погружаются и всплывают. Ересь? Да. Но только в какой-то момент. Думаете Братья Райли как-то задумывались о аэродинамике, то что аппарат тяжел итд итп? Нет, они пробовали. Потом появились обоснования.

    К чему все это? Когда Альберта спросили "Как получается делать открытия?", на что он не задумываясь ответил "Мы все знаем что что-то невозможно. Но приходит какой-то безумец, которого все считают дураком. Он и делает открытия переворачивающие науку."
    1. 0
      16 August 2014 12: 13
      меня катали на экраноплане...классно было!
  70. artur
    +2
    15 August 2014 12: 30
    Я своему ребёнку купил электронную книгу ( можешь теперь что угодно себе скачать ), он мне сказал мне нужны реальные книги ,где можно страничками пошуршать.
    1. 0
      16 August 2014 12: 16
      по финансам - электронная книга выгоднее, если читаешь до 20-25 книг в месяц...
  71. +3
    15 August 2014 12: 30
    Да ладно тут про конструкторы!Мои молодые коллеги болеют страйком.Вобшим два года смотрели со средним сыном на это все с улыбкой(сами в автоспорте более 10лет)Ну вобшим нас все таки приболтали-наверное захотелось что то нового(кому то вспомнить старое).Когда приехали на игру сложилось впечатление что попали на конкурс крутоты (форма,разгрузы ,прибомбасы,привода все в обвесе что спецназ от зависти лопнет)А как началось я просто чуть со смеху не кончился.Кто во что и как -эти бойцы даже ползать не умеют -не говоря уже о прикрытии друг друга.Но больше всего напрягло -начали в костер совать банки с консервами чтобы разогреть ЗАПЕЧАТАННЫМИ!!! Причем больше половины этих страйкеров реально отслужили срочную.
    1. 0
      17 August 2014 02: 02
      Сам бывает разогреваю запечатанные консервы, один раз на плитке разогревал чуть не бабахнула, отвлёкся. Из преимуществ разогрева запечатаных консервов, быстрота, нагрел один бок, перевернул, начала вздуваться, готова.
  72. 0
    15 August 2014 12: 30
    «Вот злонравия достойные плоды!» - говорил в XVIII веке устами Стародума русский писатель Д.И. Фонвизин. Тогда вся русская знать разговаривала исключительно по-французски, а А.С. Пушкин в "Евгении Онегине" перечисляет все иностранные штучки, которые лежали на столе у главного героя с большим знанием дела. Однако, с той поры Россия победила почти во всех войнах, в ее состав вошли Кавказ, Крым, Дальний Восток, Средняя Азия, был побежден фашизм, Гагарин первым полетел в Космос. И сейчас я бы не обвинял всю молодежь в глупости, отсутствии инициативы и невозможности творчески мыслить. "Дайте мне точку опоры и я переверну Землю". - говаривал Архимед.
  73. wanderer_032
    +2
    15 August 2014 12: 32
    "Лего" это не конструктор,а набор для сборки по инструкции одной игрушки. Это для возраста (4-12 лет).



    Есть другой "Лего" называется "Техникал" для подростков(14-16 лет),вот эти наборы,действительно конструктор. Там нет схем для сборки. То есть думай сам,что хочешь сделать.

    А наши наборы с планками стали отвратительного качества,особенно инструмент для их(дочке на занятия покупал,по требованию школьной программы). Сама идея такого конструктора хороша тем,что развивает моторику рук. Но качество... Убил бы за такое...

    Про ограниченное мышление наших детей... Да есть такая тема. В моё время,комп был дорогой и был не у всех. Поэтому как-то больше живым общением и играми занимались. А ещё в кружки ходили в клуб "Юный техник" и в школе были нормальные уроки труда. Не знаю какой у кого был в школе учитель-трудовик,но у нас был хороший. Он реально нас учил работать с инструментами и всегда нас мог заинтересовать что-то делать.
    Эти навыки мне пригодились в дальнейшей жизни.
  74. rumata63
    -3
    15 August 2014 12: 34
    А что автор разве не знает сам что у нас и свои конструкторы-наборы были ,не далеко он и сам ушол от "поколения песи". Ну знает он "ДОС" и что, а то что туповаты дети, это да, фантазировать не надо,мы стали, поколением потребителей. При чём бездумных, и самый главный враг это РЕКЛАМА. Он "хлебнул пивка" и пошёл на экзамен, потом опять "хлебнул пивка" чпокн.л подругу и родился ребёнок поколения "клинского".
  75. Victor R
    +1
    15 August 2014 12: 39
    Да, это большая беда. В образовании, в развитии наших детей, в простом человеческом общении. Дети перестают общаться даже в своей среде. Чувственность, духовность, сопереживание отмирает за невостребованностью. Происходит мощнейшее вымывание поведенческой культуры целых поколений и это не только у нас. Это практически везде, где внедрены интернет технологии. Человечество за последние полвека напоминает свечу зажжённую с обоих концов. В своих темпах развития, индустриализации мы с лихвой перекрыли все прежние века. Может пора остановиться и посмотреть назад. Слишком велики издержки такого роста.И какова конечная цель этого дикого ралли. Природа, земля едва справляется с таким насилием над собой. Или живём по принципу "на мой век хватит" воздуха, солнца, денег...
  76. dmb
    +1
    15 August 2014 12: 44
    "Все эти святые слова будили в старухах воспоминания об исчезнувших еще до революции зубах, о яйцах, пропавших приблизительно в ту же пору...",-"!2 стульев". Не припомню случая, чтобы старшее поколение было полностью довольно молодой порослью. Ибо молодежь, это всего новое, не всегда понятное и неизведанное, а старость в своей массе консервативна. Если взять всю историю человечества, то прогресс движется в основном молодыми людьми, ибо с возрастом и физические и интеллектуальные силы расходуются. Это вовсе не означает, что молодежь ныне лучше той, которая нынче уже не молодежь. Безусловно система обучения и воспитания человека для сегодняшнего общества направлена на развитие самых низменных чувств. Но тут уж терпите. Сами капитализм выбрали, сами его кушайте. Поэтому призывы, вернуть советскую систему образования, абсолютно пустые. Советская система нужна советскому обществу, а нынешнему она противопоказана. Ведь ребенок думать начнет и задавать глупые вопросы типа: зачем Якунину шубохранилище, чем так знаменит Жириновский-сын, что он вместе с Жириновским - папой, рулит страной, и почему Сердюков на свободе и зачем успешной "Роснефти" 1,5 миллиарда наших денег из Стабфонда.
  77. 0
    15 August 2014 12: 48
    Цитата: artur
    Я своему ребёнку купил электронную книгу ( можешь теперь anything себе скачать ), он мне сказал мне нужны реальные книги ,где можно страничками пошуршать.


    вот именно то, что please, а не то что надо. книги в элеронном виде как правило представляют низкоровневый ширпотреб.
    1. +2
      15 August 2014 13: 38
      Ошибаетесь-в электронном виде есть все. Нужно просто научиться искать wink
      1. +1
        15 August 2014 14: 41
        Quote: Egor65G
        Ошибаетесь-в электронном виде есть все. Нужно просто научиться искать wink

        Согласен. При желании - можно найти все, что угодно в электронном виде для электронной книги. Бумажные книги нынче по кусачим ценам, и не каждый может себе позволить ее купить. Тем более, если в семье маленький бюджет. Только не надо говорить, что, мол, электронную книгу можешь себе позволить купить, а бумажную - нет?
        Самая недорогая электронная книга стоит в DNS 990 рублей. Скачать в инете -...кто как может, можно бесплатно, можно недорого. Ну а бумажная - 400 - 500 рублей и выше.
    2. 0
      16 August 2014 12: 22
      можно Библию, Евангелие закачать, да что угодно из классики (кстати, они, как правило продаются с закачанными текстами Толстой, Лермонтов, Пушкин...Булгаков, Довлатов...Голсуорси...много - что помню навскидку, перечислил.
  78. +3
    15 August 2014 13: 02
    А не пинаем!!!
    Прав, 100500 раз прав!!!
    Бесит подход к образованию нынешний подход.
    Всё лучшее в моей жизни связано с моими учителями, как в школе, так и по жизни. А недавно был в школе у ребёнка и общался с нынешним поколением учителей, так мне подзатыльников надавать им захотелось.
    А современный подход к образованию вообще вне добра и зла. Когда в автомобиле на трассе пропало питание бензонасоса, я куском провода подсоединил бензонасос к фаре габаритов, так у сына и его друзей культурный шок случился. я впервые видел ТАКИЕ лица у ребят.
    Моя самая большая претензия к "нашему" правительству - система образования. Мы отказались от воспитания "ЧЕЛОВЕКА-СОЗИДАТЕЛЯ" в пользу "ЧЕЛОВЕКА - ПОТРЕБИТЕЛЯ", а это дорога в никуда!!!
  79. leond
    -1
    15 August 2014 13: 09
    Пример введения ЕГЭ - это как раз пример отражения закона философии: отрицание отрицания, когда следующее поколение руководителей пытается внести что-то новое, например, в систему образования. При этом эти руководители не задаются вопросом, насколько они компетентны, чтобы менять такую систему. А те, кто выдвинул этих руководителей, не задавались вопросом, насколько компетентны те, кого они выдвигали. То есть в данном случае мы имеем дело с недостатками социального отбора практически на всех уровнях социальной лестницы. Институт социального отбора в любом государстве - это наиболее консервативный социальный инструмент, так что впереди всех нас ждут серьёзные испытания: техногенные катастрофы, социальные беспорядки, - вызванные некомпетентностью тех или иных функционеров. В нашем государстве, как бы плохо тот или иной ключевой функционер не выполнял свою функцию, он будет продолжать её выполнять.
  80. +1
    15 August 2014 13: 10
    человек произошел от обезьяны, или в тему статьи лучше сказать обезьяна превратилась в человека, но потому что в один момент обезьяна заснула и проснувшись оказалась человеком, эти два существа разделяют миллионы лет кропотливого развития.... в наше время высоких технологий реально много людей деградируют не пользуясь даже теми 10% мозга которые у нас работают согласно исследований, и это наглядно иллюстрирует пример с банкой соуса, а в реали таких примером миллионы, ЗАЧЕМ ДУМАТЬ ЕСТЬ АЙФОН В ГУГЛЕ НАЙДЕТ........
  81. +3
    15 August 2014 13: 28
    Где-то прочитал, что нашли рукопись в Египте на папирусе, в которой автори сетовал на молодежь, которая не слушается старших, не хочет учиться, что все общество от этого катится в низ, что никакой перспективы развития страны нет. Датирована она 3-м тысячелетием до н.э.
    Так что тот факт, что старшее поколение не понимает молоды, вовсе не новость.
    У Юлии Друниной есть хорошее стихотворение по этому поводу:

    ДЕВЧОНКА ЧТО НАДО !

    По улице Горького - что за походка!-
    Красотка плывёт, как под парусом лодка.
    Причёска - что надо! И свитер - что надо!
    С лиловым оттенком губная помада!

    Идёт не стиляжка - девчонка с завода,
    Девчонка рожденья военного года,
    Со смены идёт (не судите по виду),-
    Подружку ханжам не дадим мы в обиду!

    Пусть любит с "крамольным" оттенком помаду,
    Пусть стрижка - что надо, и свитер - что надо,
    Пусть туфли на "шпильках", пусть юбка "модерн",
    Пусть юбка едва достигает колен.
    Ну что здесь плохого? В цеху на заводе
    Станки перед нею на цыпочках ходят!

    По улице Горького - что за походка!-
    Красотка плывёт, как под парусом лодка,
    А в сумке "модерной" впритирку лежат
    Пельмени, конспекты, рабочий халат.

    А дома - братишка - смешной оголец,
    Ротастый галчонок, крикливый птенец.

    Мать... в траурной рамке глядит со стены,
    Отец проживает у новой жены.
    Любимый? Любимого нету пока...
    Болит обожжённая в цехе рука...
    Устала? Крепись, не показывай виду,-
    Тебя никому не дадим мы в обиду!

    По улице Горького - что за походка!-
    Девчонка плывёт, как под парусом лодка,
    Девчонка рожденья военного года,
    Рабочая косточка, дочка завода.

    Причёска - что надо! И свитер - что надо!
    С лиловым оттенком губная помада!
    Со смены идёт (не судите по виду),-
    Её никому не дадим мы в обиду!

    We ourselves were known as dudes sometime,
    And the time has come - went into the soldiers!

  82. +1
    15 August 2014 13: 46
    Quote: Egor65G
    Ошибаетесь-в электронном виде есть все. Нужно просто научиться искать wink


    вот вы это ребенку и объясните и научите!
  83. +3
    15 August 2014 14: 05
    Все игрушки которые были у меня в детстве, я втихаря разбирал и смотрел принцип работы. Особенно те, которые с моторчиками. Впоследствии очень пригодилось, стал инженером-электромехаником, и до сих пор стараюсь новинки разобрать-посмотреть, ведь технологии не стоят на месте. В 6 классе соорудил электропривод для обычной мясорубки, мать конечно оценила, но из-за того что скорость вращения была большой (о редукторах тогда я знал мало) прокручивать через нее можно было только ягоды. Удивляюсь мужикам, которые не знают простейшие законы электротехники, не могут с помощью всего двух простых формул посчитать сечение электропроводки под определенную мощность. Я согласен с тем, что интересы у всех разные, но азы то нужно знать.
  84. +2
    15 August 2014 14: 06
    Лично у меня конструктор дополнялся клеем "Феникс" и ацетоном laughing
    после запаха клея очень даже интересные модели из конструктора получались - такие все креативненькие (ах детство детство!!!).

    одним из первых конструкторов был "Винтик-шпунтик", в его комплект, помимо стандартных железячек, входили мотор-редукторы, батарейки, провода. уже всего не помню, но в первом классе устройство электродвигателя и как подключить лампочку уже знал.
  85. +2
    15 August 2014 14: 09
    РеВе - крутейший конструктор! к набору деталей прилагалась цветная книжечка с рисунками,на которых было показано,что можно из этого набора собрать,не инструкция по сборке а просто красивая картинка,вот,мол,что можно собрать из набора! а уж КАК думай сам...
    принципиальное отличие состоит в разном назначении! советские конструкторы,хоть и не такие,яркие несли смысловую нагрузку и развивали мышление - специальный отдел в министерстве был,который занимался этими вопросами!
    западные конструкторы выпускают для НАЖИВЫ! собери по инструкции поделку,поставь на полочку и копи денежку на покупку следующей! этакое коллекционирование покупных сборных поделок,как в киндерсюрпризе...
  86. +3
    15 August 2014 14: 14
    Есть такой старый анекдот. Как раз про нашу реальность, вернее действительность.
    В один закрытый оборонный институт пришел импортный станок (80-е года). Лаборанты, все кандидаты наук, прочитали внимательно инструкцию, собрали согласно ей, включают... не работает. Походили, посмотрели, еще раз прочитали инструкцию по сборке... не фурычит вражья техника. Позвали слесаря дядю Пашу. тот подошел, оглядел чудо-юдо технику, что-то подкрутил, пару раз стукнул молотком, перетыкал разъемы, нажал кнопку... все заработало. Лаборанты как так, ты что сделал? Дядя Паша говорит: Я, сынки, до революции еще родился, читать писать не умею, приходиться головой думать!!!!!
    1. +2
      15 August 2014 14: 43
      Quote: eaa59
      Есть такой старый анекдот. Как раз про нашу реальность, вернее действительность.
      В один закрытый оборонный институт пришел импортный станок (80-е года). Лаборанты, все кандидаты наук, прочитали внимательно инструкцию, собрали согласно ей, включают... не работает. Походили, посмотрели, еще раз прочитали инструкцию по сборке... не фурычит вражья техника. Позвали слесаря дядю Пашу. тот подошел, оглядел чудо-юдо технику, что-то подкрутил, пару раз стукнул молотком, перетыкал разъемы, нажал кнопку... все заработало. Лаборанты как так, ты что сделал? Дядя Паша говорит: Я, сынки, до революции еще родился, читать писать не умею, приходиться головой думать!!!!!
    2. 0
      17 August 2014 02: 09
      Quote: eaa59
      внимательно инструкцию, собрали согласно ей, включают... не работает.

      Если делаеш по инструкции и техника не работает, на этот счёт есть научный метод тыка. wink
  87. +1
    15 August 2014 14: 18
    Абсалютно согласен с автором, а насчёт лего - прямо в точку. По телеку одни сериалы и негатив льют. Что там дети, я постоянно вижу уже пацанов которые шаг вправо,шаг в лево не могут сделать.
  88. 0
    15 August 2014 14: 19
    Как открыть банку без ножа просвети те.
    1. +1
      15 August 2014 15: 37
      Отдаешь банку своему ручному медведю (в России живёшь должны быть) - он когтями и откроет банку, правда, есть одна проблема - отобрать потом банку у медведя laughing.
  89. +2
    15 August 2014 14: 22
    Если мы раньше учились по единым учебникам, что в Москве, что на Урале, что в Хабаровске, то сейчас учатся по самым разнообразным книжкам (их и учебниками-то назвать язык не поворачивается... и их штук 100500, разных авторов), которые утверждены гениями из фонда Сороса, которые основной целью имеют огромное желание развалить нас как думающую нацию, грамотную нацию и они в этом стремлении продвинулись очень и очень далеко. Где они НАШИ учебники? На свалке истории? Просто необходимо их реанимировать!!! А про внимание и участие родителей и говорить не приходится - все заняты "зарабатыванием денег", как самоцель... Вот на самое насущное времени и не остается... А жаль!

    Об учебниках Фонда Сороса много писали в нашей прессе. Русское историческое общество даже специальную конференцию по этой теме проводило. На этой конференции учебники Фонда Сороса подверглись не критике, а сокрушительному разгрому. Учебники истории переполнены безумным количеством ошибок, передергиваний, вымыслов и домыслов и совершенно откровенно внушают школьникам, что все жители России — люди ущербные, что вся история России — цепь неудач и позора, а образцом для подражания является, конечно же, западная цивилизация «общества потребления».
    1. 0
      16 August 2014 12: 28
      родителей венгерского еврея сороса в юности кастрировать надо было...чтоб потомства не произвели...
  90. -1
    15 August 2014 14: 31
    The real picture of the events on the front line in Ukraine:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzGSVkHZZnc#t=213

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYBbwnBrabI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsfXFJg8TaI
  91. +2
    15 August 2014 14: 34
    Будущее России за ними!!!
  92. postoronim V
    +1
    15 August 2014 14: 48
    Около года назад были исследования в Германии, выпускники потупели примерно на 25 %, и нам туда дорога с нашим копированием, не знаю как сейчас но в 95 году на первом курсе, нас препод по математике (строгий очень, 3 сдавших из 40 человек за заход) после сдачи говорил: "Учитесь искать формулу а не учите ее, если умеете пользоваться литературой то как инженеры не пропадете.".
  93. -1
    15 August 2014 15: 10
    Quote: insafufa
    So it happens that with every generation we are all dumb.
    Всегда считалось что ЧЕЛОВЕЧЕСТВО В СРЕДНЕМ УМНЕЕТ но разменяв седьмой десяток(и по жизни исколесив весь Союз и не только его) всё больше в этом сомневаюсь
  94. +1
    15 August 2014 15: 21
    Раньше для детей был киножурнал- "Хочу все знать"! Помню смотрели его с огромным интересом. Там очень доступным языком рассказывалось о том как устроен мир! А какие были учебные ленты "КиевНаучфильма"- просто классика! Где все это теперь???
    1. 0
      16 August 2014 12: 32
      некоммерческое кино - бабок в прокате не приносит...бондарчук и герман не заинтересуются...
      это кино - бюджетное, делается для потребностей системы образования на государственные деньги! не попилишь их там...
      так что оно ещё не скоро вернётся!
      орешек знанья твёрд...но деньги - важнее всего!
  95. +2
    15 August 2014 15: 25
    Мне 28 лет, все детство от Лего фанател, да и щас покупаю, так вот, я эти самые модельки по инструкции собирал максимум ОДИН раз, а то иногда и вообще не собирал, они мне всегда как кирпичи нужны были и детали к моим постройкам: пушки, якоря, крылья, лебедки, для строителства крепостей, машин, самолетов, итд.
    1. +1
      15 August 2014 15: 29
      Пресловутое LEGO у меня до сих пор есть - лежит где-то на балконе вместе с металлическим и даже деревянным конструктором. Купили его мне года так в 3, рано - не по возрасту (в нём было дюже много мелких деталей), но я всех достал и требовал только его laughing. Инструкции меня не сильно волновали, так как я занимался исключительно воплощением образов своего собственного воображения. Когда же я лет в 6-7 сподобился собрать его по мануалу, то оказалось, что в в действительности из конструктора должен был получится, ВНИМАНИЕ, "Тысячелетний сокол" Харрисона Форда из фильма "Звёздные Войны" и моделька "ходуна" из части "Империя наносит ответный удар". Но это я понял уже позже лет в 12, когда посмотрел знаменитую сагу и маленько опешил увидев на экране свои любимые игрушки fellow. Хотя у меня и так получались какие-нибудь роботы, космопорты, звездолёты (можно сказать конструктор использовался по назначению, хотя и не всегда wink winked ). Догадываюсь, что отец до сих пор тихо проклинает тот день кода купил мне его, ещё бы чаще всего мелкие детали попадались именно под его большие ноги laughing. Да и мои пальцы порой кровоточат вспоминая особо плотно вошедшие друг в друга детали lol.
  96. Aldap Kacharov
    +2
    15 August 2014 15: 27
    С автором не согласен. Мне за 50, чтобы не подозревали. На работе у нас 5 инженеров дипломированных. И им всем за 35, т.е. это не поколение, попавших под ЕГЭ. Но на эти 5 дипломов нет ни одной инженерной головы. Любую мало-мальскую инженерную задачу лучше всех решаю я, человек без высшего технического образования, с высшим гуманитарным образованием. При этом, заметьте, мне вполне хватает школьных познаний. Так, что если голова не сложена технически, никакое образование не поможет.
    1. 0
      15 August 2014 18: 51
      Есть интересная мысль: Высшее образование не добавит человеку даже среднего соображения.
      1. 0
        16 August 2014 12: 38
        чел - сложнейшая штука! тут и наследственность...и родители...и образование...и среда - окружение...и пара-другая ударов по башке (кому-то и по голове и по ж..е)...и падение с сарая головой вниз...вот и получился гуманитарий с инженерным мышлением!
        ...между прочим - без шуток!
  97. Solaris
    +1
    15 August 2014 15: 37
    полностью с Вами согласен.Сынишку своего с лет 3х к конструкторам без инструкции приучаю,что-б думал.
    Мелкая растёт(1),её ожидает примерно то-же.Чтоб "мышца"работала исправно-креативно.
  98. strelok93rus
    +1
    15 August 2014 15: 38
    согласен полностью с автором. После развала и в нулевых в образовании полная ж....а Я бы нашего министра образования посадил бы за это,особенно после принятии за основу американо-европейское обучение.учебники новые страшно брать в руки, их содержание ни кто не контролирует.над детьми просто издеваются.я закончил школу в 94 и до сих пор помню как задачки решать по геометрии,хоть и любил списывать.итог мы уже получаем, Украина показала итоги образования своего,особенно истории. И когда говорят что Наполеон это коньяк, я уже даже не смеюсь.
  99. +1
    15 August 2014 15: 51
    Quote: insafufa
    I don’t know, my wife’s friend doesn’t know on which side to make money if they happen to be wrong. For half an hour I explained where the car’s gas hatch went and then refueled it and each time it was like that my wife was aching so I could help her get married so now my husband almost goes to the wall so when he was born a child went on vacation to help her swaddles everything with a baby is called went to work now his mother the amount goes off because the mother-in-law ran away with the words and then the roof will go to the girl 26. I myself didn’t prove the theorem more than once by teaching the theorem just by the teacher in the classroom I solved problems of any kind according to a simplified scheme, not like in a textbook or in a task book, so I never got more than three because the teacher checked according to the solution they were selling in the store, but I don’t get the Russian language, although I write in my native language without errors and speak Russian without an accent, and the rest of the subjects were given to me so easily that I managed not once to read the books to hand them over, but right now I’m looking at getting younger and wondering if people are 5-8 years younger and can’t do anything without instruction creativity, although there are some guys who are very nimble, but in the bulk of the main boob and ambitions are higher than the roof, even I am very far from the level of my father, a man has simply unprecedented engineering abilities.
    So it happens that with every generation we are all dumb.


    Поставил Вам минус, т.к. ругаете балбесов, а сами пишите с кучей опечаток и без знаков препинания.
    1. 0
      16 August 2014 12: 41
      БЫВАТ иногда - от темперамента и торопливости (не будьте строги...видяй сломицу в чужом оке...абы сучец в своем...)
  100. 0
    15 August 2014 16: 03
    равносторонний четырехугольник это же квадрат а не ромб
    1. +1
      15 August 2014 16: 19
      Quote: Dymster
      равносторонний четырехугольник это же квадрат а не ромб

      Батенька, квадрат - это равносторонний четырехугольник, у которого все углы - прямые.
      А ромб - это как раз то, о чем вы пишете.
      Что у Вас в школе по геометрии было?
    2. +2
      15 August 2014 18: 55
      Квадрат - частный случай ромба, ромб-частный случай четырёхугольника( равносторонний четырёхугольник)
    3. kompotnenado
      0
      16 August 2014 14: 08
      Поколение пепси? Квадрат это тоже ромб. Только с прямыми углами.

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