The engine for PAK DA will be created on the basis of the engine installed on the Tu-160

Development of a new engine for a promising long-range aviation complex aviation (PAK YES) will be carried out on the basis of a “second stage gas generator installed on the Russian strategic bomber Tu-160," the journalist said RIA News representative of the United Engine Corporation (UEC).

“The Tu-160 has an NK-32 engine, it will have a number of technical changes and improvements, and this engine will go to PAK YES. It will be a new engine based on the second stage unified gas generator NK-32. ”, - the source explained to the agency at the Oboronexpo-2014 exhibition held in Zhukovsky.

“8 should be allocated for its creation of billions of rubles of budget money, plus its own resources”- added the representative.

The official publication of Oboronexpo-2014 states that the engine contract has not yet been signed, but the general parameters of the power plant and the estimated schedule of work already exist. Deadlines and conditions are being discussed.

Earlier, Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force Viktor Bondarev stated that the first factory flight of the PAK DA will be made in 2019, and its mass production will begin in 2021-2022.

Comments

[igor1981]

Great, what you need. Hurry up.

[DVxa]

The first time I heard about such a car. Need to read more.
Now, if anyone is interested:

In the distant nineties, the then Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force, Deinekin, dreamed of a new, cheap bomber to replace the Tu-22M and Tu-160: "... a multifunctional medium bomber (MSB or ISFB), a strategic aircraft with greater strike capabilities, less visibility and cost. .. ".

Perhaps he meant "object 54C" (posted on page number 2), which, after the suspension of work in 1991, again tried to put into production in the harsh 1994. Although it is fair to say that this generally revolutionary machine could not replace the Tu- 160 due to the limited flight range.

[Bayonet]

Quote: DVxa

Perhaps he meant "object 54C"

Here you can find the project of this machine
http://gunm.ru/news/obekt_54s_kak_iskhodnik_pak_da/2011-11-01-612

[Vasek]

Quote: Bayonet

Here you can find the project of this machine

Interesting, unusual layout ...
I don’t know how it will fly, but obviously we did without "borrowing".
And will PAK YES be the development of this project or will they offer something even newer and more fantastic?

[crazyrom]

Wait a minute, but PAK YES was promised subsonic, and here the engine is very supersonic, so how is it? Leave the same turbine but remove the afterburner? Put fewer pieces? (like 2 instead of four) Or maybe all the same PAK YES will be supersonic? ^^

[BIP PS FSB RF]

Plusanul, also very interesting.

[1Andrei]

Quote: igor1981

Great, what you need. Hurry up.

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What, you need. What sooner. Just to write for the stats. What will it be, hypersonic or subsonic, that’s the topic.

[igor1981]

What kind of specialists he will know, it’s clear that they’ll do nothing and waste national money on it. The days of Grachev, Serdyukov, etc., have passed. Shoigu knows what he is doing.

[armageddon]

Everything will be as it should !!! Russia has repeatedly demonstrated its ability for technological breakthroughs !!! And now the necessary funds are allocated !!!

[VAF]

Quote: igor1981

The days of Grachev, Serdyukov, etc., have passed.

Oh well ... see !!!

Quote: igor1981

Shoigu knows what he is doing.

And what does Shoigu have to do with it?

100 pounds. Will take the "old, already tested" model NK-321 and 2 will open ", as planned earlier.
well, not 100. but 99%

[xtur]

> they will take the "old, already tested" model NK-321 and 2votkut ", as planned earlier.

why on subsonic plane to put the engine off supersonic airplane, even if this supersonic mode is not the main?

[VAF]

Quote: xtur

But why put an engine from a supersonic plane on a subsonic plane, even if this supersonic mode is not basic?

And then, that we do NOT have subsonic engines with the necessary thrust to lift "this future" into the air, unfortunately.
After all, this is not a fighter. With a "mouse" weight, where under certain conditions you can take off on MBFR

[xtur]

Perhaps I understood your answer too literally, but PAK YES seems to be going to be made as inconspicuous as possible, so any engine will have to be altered somehow to lower its visibility.

Even such an alteration looks like a rather time-consuming task, and IMHO does not allow to consider the result as an NK-321 engine

Am I not right that I doubt the viability of the option "just take the NK-321"?

[VAF]

Quote: xtur

Perhaps I understood your answer too literally, but PAK YES seems to be going to be made as inconspicuous as possible, so any engine will have to be altered somehow to lower its visibility.

I always try to clearly answer the questions posed, so you understand literally!

1. An example please rework our engine under the stealth?
Curved air intakes? NOT.
Radar blockers? YES.
Flat nozzle? NOT.

So it’s the engines, as such, with us .. DO NOT REDUCE!
Here you need to start scratching and with everything according to other principles!

Very wrong .. with the current and "planners of strategic plans and tasks" business WILL NOT!
Since, in addition to URYA, it is necessary to go at least to Kuznetsov and see for yourself .. and what and how?
And then .. "run" on a trampoline into space .. it's good .. with beer, and neighing on the beach, but .. how is it actually?
Therefore, there is no other "viable option" except for the NK-321. Well, in extreme cases, the NK-32M .. just NO !!!
Although, why should we be surprised at us and on the T-50 ... but not yet, only there is "something to alter", but here and .. "alter" is not necessary!

[Vasek]

Quote: xtur

Even such an alteration looks like a rather time-consuming task, and IMHO does not allow to consider the result as an NK-321 engine

8 billion rubles of budget money and plus own resources should be allocated for its creation

A little expensive for just a "makeover".
They must be building a new engine, but they are repelled by the tried and tested ones.

[old man54]

Quote: vaf

And then, that we do NOT have subsonic engines with the necessary thrust to lift "this future" into the air, unfortunately.

Sergei
and what, is it difficult to create so what? It seems to be allocating money, the developments probably should have remained from the USSR more.

[PROXOR]

Quote: old man54

and what, is it difficult to create so what? It seems to be allocating money, the developments probably should have remained from the USSR more.

The availability of money and a possible engineering base are two different sides. China simply has nowhere to go, and what do they have? Until now, wherever AL-31 and AL-31F can be shoved. Look at what they have in the ranks of long-range aviation. Well, look at the submarine nuclear fleet. Here the question is different. They can copy the lineup, but repeat the materials ... and the blade cooling system is a BIG question.

[gridasov]

In order to avoid the problem that they themselves created. namely, cooling of the blades. They need to be taken outside the combustion chamber. This is done very simply. In general, it must be understood that hydro-gas-dynamic processes are complex processes of transformation of mobile flows and those processes that occur as a result of ionization on the surfaces of the outflow.
See how the ekranoplan flies. Which keeps him on the wing. The same physical laws work in a turbine. It is impossible to create a maximum energy density in a direct flow. And money is another process. For creativity and understanding of the essence of nature, money is not the main thing. Therefore, they cannot think over all the subtleties of the essence of flow turbulization.

[jaguar]

That is the question. It seems like the cruising speed should be supersonic but the Tu-160 with the NK-32 engines has a subsonic cruising speed of 960 km / h. If there is only a profound modernization of these engines. And as I know, thanks to Manturov, Pogosyan and others like that, the enterprise that produces these engines is in a condition as if it is softer ..... not very

[jaguar]

Here amaze me people putting minus. Bet of course, but argue weakly?

[gridasov]

Want arguments? As a physicist, I will say elementary things. The middle area of ​​the turbine has sections with a smaller diameter than the inlet. This means that the area of ​​higher energy density, if you call it that, is in the opposite direction from what it should be. This means that at a certain ionization potential of the surface of the outflow vanes, such a turbine will simply be "locked". This limits its performance and energy efficiency. And this is not the most important thing. So, the arguments are more than weighty.

[tehnoluks]

As a physicist, I will say elementary. The middle region of the turbine has sections with a smaller diameter than the inlet

YES WELL AT! ... With a smaller diameter WHAT ?! The middle region is a different (and right!) Stage of pressure increase. In the direction of increasing pressure, the diameter of the wheels increases (with a simultaneous decrease in the height of the blades) on the vast majority of modern engines. But the sketchy images on the posters and pictures, yes, for some reason, are drawn with a decrease in the diameter of the compressor wheels. Such engines were at the dawn of the jet era. More often you need to look into real engines! No offense, colleague.

[gridasov]

No, I'm no offense. I'm not talking about posters, but about real designs. The design should be fundamentally different. In general, we are talking about centrifugal force, which means about the radius of the section, which is formed by a long blade.
You see, but if the blade is positioned, and this is not difficult, so that it contacts the combustion chamber with its critical polarization zone, no matter what the temperature in the combustion chamber is, it will not affect the blade. It is not necessary to cool it. Moreover, the vectors of explosive pulses in the combustion chamber will themselves push the engine rotor in the right direction. Etc

[Juborg]

You jaguar wrong, 960 km / h, this is cruising speed, the Tu-160 has a speed of up to 2230 km / h, and it does this not only on take-off, but also during air defense, and at the stage of separation of bombs or missiles and further from defeats on the reverse course.

[jaguar]

The maximum speed of the Tu-160 is 2230 km / h. the maximum on the ground is 1400km / h. but long cruising 960 per hour I wrote about this

[VAF]

Quote: jaguar

The maximum speed of the Tu-160 is 2230 km / h. the maximum on the ground is 1400km / h. but long cruising 960 per hour I wrote about this

And here I’ll put you a MINUS .. since TOTALLY NOT TRUE !!!!

1. At speed 2230 I wrote below YUBORGU. So read

2. The maximum speed near the ground is the INSTRUMENT speed (i.e., the speed in terms of strength limitations) not all fighters can, but here you are. 1400
Remember 1030 km / h

Quote: jaguar

long cruising 960 per hour I wrote about this

Wrong you wrote. I already told you.
It is more correct to write the MAXIMUM CRUISING RANGE Mode, i.e. if you set a constant speed value, then you must maintain your mode by constantly increasing the flight altitude. your flight weight is constantly decreasing.
And cruising modes. Especially high-speed always DIFFERENT. always different flight weights. flight profiles (flight tasks) and atmospheric conditions!

[VAF]

Quote: juborg

You jaguar are wrong

This is you, dear YUBORG are wrong and very much !!!

1. Read less advertising prices!
2.maximum OPERATIONAL (strength limitations) speed of 2000 km and then at altitudes of 13 and higher ... what the hell is the passage of air defense at such an altitude?
3.Plus at this speed, flight is extremely limited in time
4. What is he doing on takeoff ????
5. The last time I have never thrown Tu-160 bombs! There are, of course, ways. But ... that's all theory.
6. Launching supersonic missiles in a combat situation is utter CRITENISM, since the distance the carrier aircraft is located as quickly as possible to the line of interception by enemy fighters and entering the enemy’s air defense strike zone
So .. DESPENDED MINUS !!!

[Vasek]

Quote: juborg

Tu-160 has a speed of up to 2230 km / h, and he does it not only on take-off

Quote: vaf

What is he doing on takeoff ????

[Bayonet]

Quote: juborg

Tu-160 has a speed of up to 2230 km / h, and he does this not only on take-off,

2230 km / h on take-off? ?? I'm just in aah! And what else takes off at a speed of 2M?

[Bayonet]

Quote: jaguar

. And as I know thanks to Manturov, Poghosyan and others like them

And what are they stirring up there, do they need engines?

[VAF]

Quote: Bayonet

And what are they stirring up there, do they need engines?

Everything is fine with their engines .. both Salute and Saturn are working on them!

[air wolf]

So I say, you need to create a new engine from scratch ...

[gridasov]

Not just from scratch, but on the new principles of organizing the hydro-gozo dynamic flow. This means that new process organization algorithms. And for this you need to understand why modern principles are not suitable.

[VAF]

Quote: gridasov

Not just from scratch, but on the new principles of organizing the hydro-gozo dynamic flow. This means that new process organization algorithms. And for this you need to understand why modern principles are not suitable.

As "they say" in the modern "world" +100500!!!!

[gridasov]

I understand your perplexity. But it will be very unfortunate if our discovery falls into other hands. We can really justify these new principles and the concept of a new engine. In addition, I want to enlighten those who are interested. The question is that modern capacitors, resistances, transistors, transformers are built on linear principles. It means . that with a pulsed polarization of space. and at high speeds, ionization processes are active, and therefore, together with the engines, it will be necessary to change the entire component of the electrical circuits. We substantiate these crucial aspects.

[VAF]

Quote: jaguar

It seems like cruising speed should be supersonic

I set, +! But .... what for an airplane whose most important criterion is RANGE (TACTICAL RADIUS OF ACTION) ... cruising supersonic mode ?????
Specific consumption in cruising mode (on "ceilings", with G load of 9 tons) - 0,73 kg / kgf · h, with M a little more than 1 already "start" from 1.8 and more?
Well, where are you going .. to fly?
Or you have it with "you" (in the sense next to it ... the barrel flies and constantly refills you joke .
So you got a minus on the case
Although the second part of the comment "outweighed" .. "technique" .. so I put, +!

Normally argued?

[SV]

But .... what for an airplane whose most important criterion is RANGE (TACTICAL RADIUS OF ACTION) ... cruising supersonic mode ?????

to get caught faster after completing a task. I understand that he does not plan to enter the enemy’s air defense zone, but they can try to catch the fe-35 ...

[Maks7877]

They said the same subsonic like.

[1Andrei]

Quote: Iline

Subsonic. So, what is next?

They said something, only draw conclusions, until you and I saw the result of tremendous work, it is still difficult.

[Iline]

Subsonic. So, what is next?

[VAF]

Quote: Iline

Subsonic. So, what is next?

"Cut" or "Mastering" .... like that .. "justify" +!

[sniper]

Quote: 1Andrei

hypersonic or subsonic,

Definitely not "hypersonic" ... Hypersound is above 5M, which is unattainable so far ...

[1Andrei]

Quote: sniper

Quote: 1Andrei

hypersonic or subsonic,

Definitely not "hypersonic" ... Hypersound is above 5M, which is unattainable so far ...

I have nothing against it. But it was also said about the developments "on new physical principles", and these are old developments back in the USSR !!! ??? That's a natural question ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: 1Andrei

But it was also said about developments "on new physical principles"

This is how "new physical principles" will be discovered, and the pepelats will be built!

[gennady.ru]

I won’t drive in! Why bother to the sound when his missile defense is knocked down over the runway. And if it takes off and gains height, during this time the enemy will cover half of our country with missiles. Further, such a target will be dumped by any MANPADS, here is an example, near Donetsk, these celestial slow-moving vehicles, like flies in a shooting gallery. Or they wanted to follow the example of mattresses, there is a battleship, and a whole ph protects it. So with us, a galosh will take off, and two air fleets will protect it. They would take IL-76 stuffed with what you need, you can push a lot of things there, - here you have an ultramodern bomber, - / ILYA MUROMETS / - you can call it, there was already one such one. As for the invisibility, it has long been proved to everyone both theoretically and practically in Yugoslavia that it is practically impossible to do something invisible, the United States has long understood this. And the naked king also realized that he was naked, and not the clothes he did not see. And it dawns on me that our authorities quickly want to master the allocated trillions and determine their true purpose. And again we will be naked, like a naked king, and we will fight if necessary, as in those times-AX.

[gridasov]

Yes, even with 3M thermal barrier. which means that the operating mode of the entire aircraft is very overloaded. Just the turbine needs to be done in a completely different way. Principally different.

[1Andrei]

Quote: sniper

Quote: 1Andrei

hypersonic or subsonic,

Definitely not "hypersonic" ... Hypersound is above 5M, which is unattainable so far ...

The PAK-FA, if it has engines that are not yet the fifth generation, develops a speed of about 3600. And - It has two engines. The PAK-DA plans to have four. I would not say so briefly that it will not be hypersonic, or missile systems on it must be hypersonic. Here, on the dependence of the tasks being solved. Fly around the perimeter of your territory, or overcome the enemy's missile defense system. IMHO> Yes, gentlemen-comrades, if you put downsides, at least express your thought. Thank you.

[gridasov]

There are a number of problems that will have to be addressed. At least not see the economy. The proportional dependence of the growth of total weight and fuel volumes should be set regardless of the energy efficiency of the turbine. On old turbines, as on old principles, this cannot be done.

[Vasek]

Quote: gridasov

At least not see the economy.

In addition, there are problems of strength, thermal conditions, changes in the parameters of the electronics (as you rightly noted earlier). And the condition and performance of the crew ...
Hypersound is a subtle thing. And it is not yet known how to survive in such an apparatus for a person.
They wrote that even missiles in front of the target need to jump off hypersound — otherwise the target cannot be captured, and the ammunition behaves unpredictably.

[gridasov]

And everything is solved quite simply! For example, a person’s vitality can only be ensured by an appropriate level of polarization of the space in which he is located. Therefore, the technology is very simple. From the polarization potential that is being formed in the concept of a new engine, one can extract the range of any necessary scale of potential. And the pilot will not be subject to overloads at all. The problem is that everyone still perceives it as fiction. But it is scientifically based.

[typhoon7]

Sorry, you probably wanted to write 2600, this is the speed and was laid in the task when creating PAKFA.3600 is a bust, and he does not need it. Blackbird does not run the risk of flying at speeds in excess of 3500, although it probably can, but he has frenzied engines and he himself is made of titanium. The ignition temperature of the fuel is very high, this fuel also serves to lubricate the compressor. It takes a very long time to prepare for the flight, if I am not mistaken for twenty-four hours (it starts up), at least it was written that way.

[Aljavad]

It takes a very long time to prepare for the flight, if I am not mistaken for twenty-four hours (it starts up), at least it was written that way.

In terms of labor intensity, its post-flight service and pre-flight training were "artistically" compared to the launch of an astronaut. This was one of the reasons why the USAF refused to use it.

When they talk about "new physical principles" they do not think that even just NEW machines are mastered by personnel for YEARS.
Moreover, the cry is that the product is raw, that it does not correspond to the existing infrastructure, etc.

[VAF]

Quote: 1Andrei

PAK-FA, if it has engines not yet in its fifth generation, develops a speed of about 3600.

Mixed up nothing? Maybe all the same, 2 (bye. But ..cm in reserve)?
4th, then 4th .. but they "eat" like all 4th, but only much more than all PAK FA today .. taken together

[Aljavad]

It was announced: PAKDA - transonic subtle flying wing. Analog B-2. What is hypersound?
And how to overcome air defense? You still write about "dogfight". The main advantage of a bomber is its range and its suspension. Well, and the conditions for the crew. His job is to fly along its borders and in neutral and "drop" a new generation of long-range missiles. But for the Kyrgyz Republic, all your dreams will not be superfluous.

[gennady.ru]

Quote: 1Andrei

Quote: sniper

Quote: 1Andrei

hypersonic or subsonic,

Definitely not "hypersonic" ... Hypersound is above 5M, which is unattainable so far ...

The PAK-FA, if it has engines that are not yet the fifth generation, develops a speed of about 3600. And - It has two engines. The PAK-DA plans to have four. I would not say so briefly that it will not be hypersonic, or missile systems on it must be hypersonic. Here, on the dependence of the tasks being solved. Fly around the perimeter of your territory, or overcome the enemy's missile defense system. IMHO> Yes, gentlemen-comrades, if you put downsides, at least express your thought. Thank you.

Quote: 1Andrei

Quote: sniper

Quote: 1Andrei

hypersonic or subsonic,

Definitely not "hypersonic" ... Hypersound is above 5M, which is unattainable so far ...

The PAK-FA, if it has engines that are not yet the fifth generation, develops a speed of about 3600. And - It has two engines. The PAK-DA plans to have four. I would not say so briefly that it will not be hypersonic, or missile systems on it must be hypersonic. Here, on the dependence of the tasks being solved. Fly around the perimeter of your territory, or overcome the enemy's missile defense system. IMHO> Yes, gentlemen-comrades, if you put downsides, at least express your thought. Thank you.

Border guards walk, swim and fly along the perimeter of their territory.

[Shatt]

Dozvukova, wrote more than once

[Nick]

Quote: 1Andrei

What will it be, hypersonic or subsonic, that’s the topic.

If based on the engine from the Tu-160, then definitely supersonic.

[lelikas]

Quote: igor1981

Hurry up.

Something is hard to believe in the first flight in 2019. Although I want to.

[Interface]

Hmm.
They will redo Soviet engineering, call it Russian, and show it on ORT.

Am I missing anything?

[dauria]

They will redo Soviet engineering, call it Russian, and show it on ORT.

Am I missing anything?

Missed. They will also take into account the achievements of the adversaries in recent years (obtained by all means, not necessarily legal), their promising samples will try to overtake a bit. This is always done by everyone.

Oh yes. And they will show not only on ORT, but also NTV and Russia

[VAF]

Quote: Interface

Am I missing anything?

Well, perhaps the number of news publications and TV programs on -news, and so .. that's right, +!

[Giant thought]

This option will be more effective and less costly.

[Juborg]

Something is not entirely clear is the concept of a missile carrier! Today it is being positioned as a subsonic strategic bomber (missile carrier), and as far as I know, the Tu-160 is a supersonic long-range strategic missile carrier. Who in the course explain. This is based on a previous article on the PAK DA project. Maybe I'm wrong.
In general, the news that in Russia something is being put into service is always pleasing, it is launched, takes off, and so on. So our mother Russia is being reborn.

[SSR]

Quote: igor1981

Great, what you need. Hurry up.

Sorry, but what’s great? And what is needed?
Personally, I have a lack of confidence in any information about PAK YES, because until recently it was said that preference was given to the sound bomb and here about the engines and the supersonic and multi-mode Tu-160
In general, I will wait, and then hurray grunt to empty. ))))

[Hammer]

Quote: igor1981

Great, what you need.

Something somehow doesn’t fit together with me ... NK-32 is a supersonic engine, and in the performance characteristics of the PAK YES - a subsonic plane ... Well, maybe of course I misunderstand something ...

[Koloradovatnik]

A good car will be.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Colorado

A good car will be.

Another chicken in the nest, the testicle in n ..... and you already praise! How not to jinx it! They write a lot of things when they fly - then we'll see what kind of bird it turned out.

[MSA]

There is nothing better than our own development, I’m sure I will get an excellent device

[shitovmg]

Yes, the pace is increasing! Time rushes faster! Like PACK YES !!!

[stranik72]

I think (I'm sure) this is a fake, the dimensions of the NK-32 gas generator do not correspond to the dimensions of the PAK. "Engine theory" for beginners.

[Genry]

You probably thought about PAK-FA ... And then PAK-YES ...

[VAF]

Quote: stranik72

I think (I'm sure) this is a fake, the dimensions of the NK-32 gas generator do not correspond to the dimensions of the PAK.

Hi Zhenya! Are you sure that for "this time", well, for now PAK has noticeably "grown" in size and weight ???
Or do you think that something has changed a lot since the time of the "king of the peas" in the methodology of the "aircraft creation process", here ... I mean?

[svp67]

I am a little embarrassed that they are going to make the new strategist a sort of "generalist" ... Will they be able to? Look, even the United States, even though the "strategists" pay great attention to those who have three different modifications - "super-bomber" - B52, "high-speed" - B1 and "invisible" - B2 ...

[Rurikovich]

They also created the U-Versal B-2. But it turned out to be so expensive that after wiping the snot, they decided to leave the rest. The benefit of the super budget of the most militarized state in the world allows this to be done.

[enot73]

Quote: svp67

Look, even the United States, even though the "strategists" pay great attention to those who have three different modifications - "super-bomber" - B52, "high-speed" -B1 and "invisible" - B2 ...

And all three are aircraft of different generations and years of production. We also have enough "different" bombers: Tu - 22 M, Tu - 95 and Tu - 160, and they don't go anywhere. And the "versatility" of the PAK - DA consists in the possibility of using different types of missile weapons to solve various problems without entering the enemy's air defense zone.

[STALIN8]

The most reliable engines are Soviet. Glory to the domestic designer!

[Dezinto]

NK-32 (product “R”) is a dual-circuit turbojet three-shaft engine with a common afterburner (TRDDF) developed at the Kuibyshev Motor Plant under the direction of ND Kuznetsov. It is one of the largest and most powerful aircraft engines in the world. - In what. Nicely. We need everything! And "Ash" and Carcasses! and PAK YES! .. and PAK FA ... thanks to the instructors for their work, and the factories, and the factory workers!

[Iline]

Quote: DEZINTO

It is one of the largest and most powerful aircraft engines in the world. - In what. Nicely

Are you so sure that this is a big plus? And I am familiar with them not by hearsay and I will say that the engine is very problematic. And prohibitively voracious. Exorbitantly.
And anyway - the further the information on PAK YES, the more uncomfortable I feel. They are eating some bad thoughts. A bunch of retired generals and colonels from the DA Command settled in the bread places in the Tupolev Design Bureau. I will not say anything about their human qualities, although I personally know many of them personally, but that they are zero designers is for sure. And they are actively promoting, using old ties, the achievements of this particular design bureau - this is a fact. Has anyone heard about the competition for the PAK DA project among different design bureaus? Exactly...
As for these engines, only recently a colossal amount has been allocated to restore the production of these engines. And the money must be beaten off. As if this were not the reason for such a quick determination of the type of engine for this aircraft.
MY PERSONAL OPINION - PACK YES OBLIGED TO EQUIPMENT WITH A NEW ENGINE WITH NEW PRINCIPLES.
The entire "revision" of the NK-32 will be reduced to replacing long-discontinued components and assemblies with components from other manufacturers urgently fitted to the specified dimensions of the existing engine. If so, it will be very sad.

[Dezinto]

You certainly know better. Shake your hand. I admit is far from this topic. Thanks for the clarification.

[typhoon7]

Unfortunately, even in the military aircraft industry, the lobby has a very strong influence, (business) and, apparently, we don’t have a clear understanding of which air forces we need, whoever breaks the order, will release such machines. The situation urgently needs to be changed; it won’t end in good. It is necessary to revive the good old design schools, healthy rivalry. The system of the current KLA is very vicious, where business appoints which cars the country needs, military and civilian.

[gridasov]

Yes, we have not been able to get anywhere for ten years, even to hear. They closed in their midst and do not hear healthy thoughts. But they themselves are moving in a non-logical direction, which is obvious. By the way, others do not hear.

[Manul]

Quote: Iline

They are eating some bad thoughts. A bunch of retired generals and colonels from the DA Command settled in the bread places in the Tupolev Design Bureau.

ShadowCat in the article "The new Pentagon fighter turned out to be too problematic and expensive. The F-35 is plagued by problems. Will it ever get off the ground? (" The Week "USA)" posted a wonderful excerpt from the film .. I can not help but repost ...

[gridasov]

The whole problem is that low potential technologies are laying tasks of a completely different level. Therefore, the likelihood that a modern aircraft will fly on propeller technology using the technology of a highly potential and complexly changed process is unlikely.

[enot73]

Quote: STALIN8

The most reliable engines are Soviet. Glory to the domestic designer!

Soviet microcircuits are also the largest in the world.

[Hyppopotut]

In the early 70s, in Zaporozhye, microcircuits were made at the ZZPP (then they were called "integral"). I can assure you that they were smaller than the Japanese ones.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Hyppopotut

I dare to assure you - they were smaller than the Japanese.

Our integration was lower. And how can one talk about microcircuits in general, because their great variety is from a simple set of logic elements to complex processors.

[enot73]

Quote: Hyppopotut

I dare to assure you - they were smaller than the Japanese.

Actually, the world leader in microelectronics is not Japan (consumer goods microchips), as many people think. and the USA. Probably everyone heard about Silicon Valley, it is there that most of the microchips for computing and military equipment are developed (intel, texas instruments, AMD, Motorola, etc.), and the USSR has always been a few steps behind the Americans and not only microchips in level and quality , but in general the element base .. That's why the Cold War was lost.

[Genry]

Quote: enot73

and the USSR has always been a few steps behind the Americans and in terms of level and quality, not only microcircuits, but in general the element base .. That is why the Cold War was lost then.

Then the relative level of electronics was much higher than now. Microprocessor technology used its own (PC, mini-micro-computers, calculators, controllers, ...).
In your opinion, it turns out that catching up (returning lost positions) from "absolute zero" is much easier than from some lag.
The Cold War was lost thanks to the "proletarian" leadership. Flew ...

[enot73]

Quote: Genry

In your opinion, it turns out that catching up (returning lost positions) from "absolute zero" is much easier than from some lag.

No, I do not think so . In my opinion and according to my personal observations until 1985. Soviet electronics developed very rapidly, at least with analogues to replace imports there were almost no problems (I worked with imported equipment then). Under Gorbachev, degradation began. The 90s brought down production in the country and with it the still good electronics industry, but now it’s painful to see. that in Russian devices even connectors. resistors and capacitors are used by Chinese. There is only hope that without being distracted by trifles, it will be possible to draw out more important things, because the whole world is hooked on cheap Chinese components, but Chubais’s activity is alarming.

[Bayonet]

Quote: STALIN8

The most reliable engines are Soviet. Glory to the domestic designer!

Again the slogans went. Well, read something, TTX engines of the world's leading manufacturers.

[Leshka]

dviglo good

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Leshka

dviglo good

Somewhat in more detail.
The engine is mass-produced from 1986 in Samara and by the middle of the 90's. had no world analogues. This is one of the first serial engines in the world, during the creation of which measures were taken to reduce the radar and infrared signatures.
To reduce the visibility of the engine (and therefore the entire aircraft), it is planned to give the first stage of the compressor the role of a kind of screen that provides minimal reflection of the radar radiation reaching the engine of various ranges (it can be assumed that the compressor blades, respectively profiled, reflect p / l radiation to the radar absorbing coating applied to the walls of the air intake). The compressor blades are made of titanium, steel and (in the high pressure circuit) high-strength nickel alloy. The combustion chamber is annular, with evaporative nozzles, providing smokeless combustion and stable temperature conditions.
The turbine has one high pressure stage (diameter 1000 mm, gas brake temperature 1357 C) with cooled single-crystal vanes, one intermediate stage and two low pressure stages.
The afterburner is designed to reduce IR radiation and ensure minimal smoke. Nozzle - fully adjustable, self-made. The engine management system is electric, with hydromechanical duplication. Work is underway to create a digital management system with full responsibility. Brief TTX:
Symbol -- NK-32
Type - double-circuit, turbofan
Afterburner thrust, kN - 245.00
Specific fuel consumption, kg/kgf hour -- 1.70
Cruising thrust, kN - 137.20
Specific fuel consumption, kg/kgf hour -- 0.72-0.73
The degree of pressure increase -- 28.4
Bypass ratio -- 1.4
Overall dimensions, mm
- length 6000
- diameter 1460
Dry weight, kg 3400
http://www.airwar.ru

[Iline]

http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/747/bvfu791.jpg
On the issue of IR absorption.
http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/382/sssl323.jpg
On the issue of low smoke.

[el.krokodil]

actually, I doubt that we will see PAK / YES until it is shown .. yes, and true information, too .. because it is a military and state secret .. PAK / FA-have you heard a lot about it until it was shown? or "ARMATA "assumptions, opinions, and stuffing-the sea .. and no one saw it .. as it should be .. American intelligence has already said that they are actively using social networks .. here in the course of this article for them .. let them rack their brains. ...

[Arh]

I will be glad when ours make a modern civilian aircraft at the Superjet-100 or MS-21 level is exclusively fully assembled and manufactured only in Russia, I’m waiting !!!

[Dezinto]

By the way, I want to say that I admire the work of instructors ... these engines are some kind of work of art ... beauty ... how do they do this ?! This is work!

The most sophisticated combination of systems to carry a huge iron bird in the air. taking off my hat.

[Stypor23]

Quote: DEZINTO

By the way, I want to say that I admire the work of instructors ... these engines are some kind of work of art ... beauty ... how do they do this ?! This is work!

I advise you to watch the movie "The Rocket Came from the Cold".

[Fedor Bolts]

Quote: igor1981

What kind of specialists he will know, it’s clear that they’ll do nothing and waste national money on it. The days of Grachev, Serdyukov, etc., have passed. Shoigu knows what he is doing.

So far, he only knows how important it is to blow cheeks, take parades, and enter the next form. Now with small caps. Komsomol stoibata is forever.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Fedor Boltov

Komsomol stoibat is forever.

Fed, and Fed! and you won’t go commissar !?

[fregina1]

How will he be subsonic with such an engine? Logic tells us that this will be a supersonic missile carrier, a continuation of the TU 160! And that 160 is being upgraded with new engines, everything is logo!

[Patriot.ru.]

All right, the supersonic engine. So PAK-YES is supersonic.

[gdv]

the heart of the plane is its fiery engine !!!! I'm sure the car will be what you need !!! not only at subsonic speeds but also with a surprise along the way))))

[Rurikovich]

God will give the bird fly at the appointed time. Old cars do not last forever ...
As long as there is an opportunity and the true face of the enemy has manifested itself, it is necessary to develop and reaffirm your aircraft industry by all means. Just need to non-stop the possible benefits of this situation. At least PAK FA is already starting to fly.

[I think so]

All the deadlines for the implementation of the FIRST SAMPLES have been demolished by 20-30 years ... Will Russia live up to these deadlines ...

[Alexey1]

any live.

[ufa1000]

It makes no sense to invest billions in the development of a new engine that would be a couple% more powerful. They did everything right, the engine from the TU-160 is time-tested, it will not be necessary to conduct long tests, etc. And those who write bullshit, these are near-minded people

[Ivan 63]

The ice has broken!

[Ivan Tarasov]

Two to three years from the first flight to mass production?
These are the deadlines.
Why, then, does the T-50 take so long?

[stranik72]

Quote: Genry

You probably thought about PAK-FA ... And then PAK-YES ...

Yes, it’s true, but anyway, NK-32 was created on the basis of achievements of the early 70s of the 20th century, and it doesn’t even match the AL-31 (peer) in terms of design solutions for a gas generator, it’s (NK-32) a stone age there is nothing to go into the 21st century, these are the words of a man uttered completely without concept, although maybe this is the current level of our engine designers, then OK.

[Dezinto]

Some ushlepander ran over all the minuses instructed! Eh..uschlander! Who are you? against engines, against work? ... la la la? Yes?

[saag]

And what will be new in this same PAK YES?

[tomcat117]

Everything is fine, of course, but if the TU160 is a supersonic and old engine for this purpose, how will it be interfaced with subsonic speeds.
Either ours are holding back something, or a good old engine will be technically "strangled", or their number will be reduced.

[Lone gunman]

"The first factory flight of the PAK DA will take place in 2019, and its serial production will begin in 2021-2022." ... no, it will go into series production in the year 25-27, but all these fairy tales passed ... well , good luck.

[seregatara1969]

and psaki can understand this phrase?

[bmv04636]

The board of directors of Aviakor OJSC - Samara Aviation Plant decided on August 12 to organize serial production and commercial sale of the Il-114 aircraft, according to official company documents, Volga-News reports.

[Drunya]

the new engine is good, but rusty pipes and peeling walls against which it was shot is our reality.
you can try and in the dugout, on his knees in the fire splinter collect BUT how far we go at such a pace.
for NANO cities are being built, but here, as always, with the help of a sledgehammer and some kind of mother.

[bmv04636]

The test complex of the Kuznetsov enterprise, part of the United Engine Corporation of the State Corporation Rostec, successfully passed the acceptance tests of the NK-33 engine. The power plant is designed for the first stage of the newest Russian Soyuz-2-1v missile.

[gridasov]

And the rocket launchers have the same problems as the engine crews. The point is that the turbo fuel supercharger has the limits of its productive work. And these reasons are the same as turbines. Therefore, the prospects for the development of rocket science again rest against a key unit.

[bmv04636]

on that they and designers, that would solve problems forward flow

[gridasov]

Exactly!!! Forward flow does not work effectively. Designers think that this is optimal, but it is not. A very important physical dependence in the formation of magnetic force flows is lost. This means that the goal of creating an energy density, as such in the stream, is lost.

[dauria]

That you are clinging to the engine. Many planes and helicopters start flying with "non-native" engines, those that are at the moment. And "relatives" are brought up during the tests of the aircraft. Sometimes engine modifications make an excellent car out of a mediocre car; if the glider is successful, it will be produced for more than one year. And there will be modifications more than once. The main thing is not to mess with the general idea, take into account all the best that the foe has, even on the drawing board ...

[gridasov]

I think you are wrong. The engine provides energy reserves for acceleration and maneuverability. It can work stably at different air densities. Furthermore . It should practically work without alterations in water or at high altitudes. Only its operating mode is changing, but not the essence of the process.

[dauria]

Damn, the famous Messer Me-262, the first combat turbojet aircraft, in addition, very competently designed for 1939 (so that it was actually repeated after the war) flew with a PISTON engine and SCREW instead of two turbojets.

[Mih]

Quote: Armagedon

Everything will be as it should !!! Russia has repeatedly demonstrated its ability for technological breakthroughs !!! And now the necessary funds are allocated !!!

As I would like to believe in it, but doubts torment me, torment me. All this would be, if, you yourself know what. This is what bothers me.

[Mih]

It should practically work without alterations in water or at high altitudes.

May be useful for the Navy? Then yes! Although I have, well, what’s in the water - an amphibian! What the hell is not joking when God is sleeping.

[gridasov]

I’ll clarify. We are talking about a physical process that will ensure the operation of this device as an engine or mover. Therefore, you need to understand that with an excess of driving force, the difference between the plane or helicopter, ekranoplan or hovercraft is leveled. The ax also flies if it is given a kinetic impulse so that it flies.

[vodolaz]

Pleased with such news.

[gennady.ru]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: Colorado

A good car will be.

Another chicken in the nest, the testicle in n ..... and you already praise! How not to jinx it! They write a lot of things when they fly - then we'll see what kind of bird it turned out.

I can’t say whether the plane will fly or not, but the people's money will fly away for sure, but I don’t know where and to whom. Medvedev will definitely fall into a new tablet and all sorts of electronic toys. Here the child will rejoice!

[PROXOR]

Or I don’t understand something or my skis don’t go.
How were they going to build this engine when a year ago there was a question about the modernization of the TU-160. And even then, the question became an edge precisely because of the engines. In fact, now I am using old engine stocks. Who knows, please clarify.

[harrymur]

yes, there is nothing at all, here the waff "old horseradish" builds everyone and does the right thing))), we need an idea, they give it a kind of loot, by the way, there are sensible comments from the urkaina, we can help it, they just announced "hunting" for their "eggheads" "

[viktor_ui]

harrimur - "yes, there is nothing at all, here the waf" old horseradish "builds everyone and does the right thing .." - you are up to him as to Beijing "cancer" ... my gemmoroy friend. His healthy CRITICISM interferes with few people on this resource and it contributes to broadening the horizons UNIFORMALLY.
Do not be angry with your mother - you’ll be more safe

[gridasov]

Yes, it’s really difficult for us now. The witch hunt has begun. Any dissent is prosecuted. We are now engaged in fundamental developments, and bring subpoenas to the front. While we settle, but how long can we hold out. In general, seven deaths do not happen. The main thing now is to bring to the understanding the concept of a completely new aircraft engine. It is on the new algorithms for organizing hydro-gas-dynamic flow.

[bender8282]

too pulling !!!!

[gridasov]

Exhausted and tormented by thirst and food, a person is exposed to the greatest danger. This danger lies in the same food and drink.